By: Randy Campbell (Old Dolfan)
GAME #5: OCT. 15, 1972 – SAN DIEGO at MIAMI
The Chargers franchise was the brain child of hotel heir Barron Hilton, the team’s original owner and son of Hilton Hotels founder Conrad Hilton, one of the richest men in the World. In 1959 Hilton made the decision to place his team in the potentially lucrative Los Angeles market. He signed former L. A. Rams head coach Sid Gillman, an offensive minded innovator and future Hall of Famer, to be his head coach. Star players for the inaugural 1960 AFL season included quarterback Jack Kemp (from tiny Occidental College) and future Hall of Fame offensive tackle Ron Mix, from USC. Unfortunately, only 17,724 persons paid to see the opening game against Dallas in the mammoth Los Angeles Coliseum (a game the Chargers won 21-20). A few months later, when the Chargers clinched the AFC Western Division crown with a 41-33 win over the Denver Broncos, only 9,928 souls were present. On January 1, 1961, the Chargers lost the very first AFL Champioship Game to George Blanda’s Houston Oilers 24-16. Soon after the title game, Barron Hilton announced his team was leaving Los Angeles and moving to tiny Balboa Stadium in San Diego. Famous San Diego sportswriter Jack Murphy convinced Hilton to make this move. (When San Diego eventually built a new modern football stadium, they named it “Jack Murphy Stadium” in the sportwriter’s honor.) A year later, the Chargers hosted the Oilers in the second AFL Championship Game. 29,000 fans in Balboa Stadium left disappointed as, once again, the Oilers prevailed, this time by a 10-3 score. After a poor 1962 season, the Chargers rebounded in 1963 with new quarterback Tobin Rote. A 58-20 blowout win over Denver put San Diego in their third AFL title game in January of 1964. Halfback Keith Lincoln recorded 349 yards of total offense pacing the Chargers to a 51-10 pounding of the Boston Patriots in the AFL Championship Game played in front of 30,000 delirious fans at Balboa Stadium. That game produced the City of San Diego’s LAST professional sports title in any major sport!
In 1970 and 1971 the Chargers struggled. The 1970 team went 5-6-3; the 1971 squad was 6-8. By ’72, San Diego boasted star players like future 
Hall of Famer David “Deacon” Jones, quarterback John Hadl and running back Mike Garrett. Charger fans hoped 1972 would see their team return to the positive side of the ledger. After losing their opener to the ’49ers, San Diego defeated Denver 37-14, tied the Raiders 17-17 and beat the Colts 23-20. Nobody expected an easy win for the Dolphins. But absolutely NO ONE could foresee the catastrophic injury that would impact Miami the day they played the Chargers in the historic Orange Bowl. Fourteen plays into the game, Bob Griese rolled out to his left, searching for an open receiver. Jim Kiick broke free as Griese’s pass headed downfield. Most eyes followed the ball. Behind the play, “Deacon” Jones and Ron East simultaneously crushed Griese. “I didn’t need to see the 
stretcher to know I was going out,” said the Dolphin’s All-Pro quarterback. The diagnosis was a dislocated right ankle and a broken bone in the same ankle. GRIESE WAS DONE for the rest of the regular season, at a minimum!One TV network commentator said, “Well there goes the Perfect Season now! There’s no way Miami goes undefeated without Bob Griese!”
Back-up quarterback Earl Morrall trotted onto the field. Morrall and Don Shula had been through this before. Back in 1968, Shula chose Morrall to replace the injured John Unitas as the Colts starting quarterback. All Morrall did was win the NFL’s Most Valuable Player award as he guided Baltimore to a date with destiny in Super Bowl III versus the underdog Jets.
But this situation was different. From 1969 through early 1972 Morrall played sparingly. In April of ’72, Morrall was released by Baltimore. Shula picked-up Morrall for the $125 waiver wire price in one of the greatest bargains in NFL history!Could the 38 year old crew cut Morrall shake-off the rust and still produce at the highest level? On his first drive Morrall guided Miami into San Diego territory. Yepremian’s 37-yard field goal gave the ‘Fins a 3-0 lead. San Diego’s Dennis Partee countered with a field goal, tying the game 3-3.
Early in the second quarter safety Dick Anderson grabbed a fumble by the Charger’s Mike Garrett and scampered 35 yards for the go-ahead touchdown. Later in the quarter, fifth defensive back Lloyd Mumphord intercepted a John Hadl pass, returning it to the San Diego 34. Two Larry 
Csonka runs produced 14 yards. After a short run by Jim Kiick, Morrall threw a perfect pass to reliable Howard Twilley, good for an 18-yard touchdown. It was 17-3 Miami at halftime. Shula warned his players NOT to ease-off the gas pedal in the second half. “We’ve got a point to prove and we’re going to prove it,” said the Don of Miami. Methodically, Earl Morrall took the Dolphins on a 65-yard touchdown drive to start the third quarter. A 23-yard bullseye to Twilley got Miami into San Diego territory. The drive concluded when Morrall arched a gorgeous 19-yard touchdown strike to Paul Warfield. Yepremian’s PAT gave the inspired Dolphins an insurmountable 24-3 lead. A late fourth quarter Charger’s score made the final 24-10, Miami. But the game was not that close. On the day, Miami’s “No Name Defense” limited Hadl to just 110 yards passing. It would be his lowest yardage total for any game the entire season! More importantly, Earl Morrall had steadied the ship. His near-perfect 8 for 10 passing effort was good for two touchdowns and no interceptions. He walked off the Orange Bowl field with the confident smile of a winner.
Appreciative Dolphin fans, and Dolphin players, roared their approval as Earl Morrall strode into the Dolphins’ locker room, his arms raised in victory! Next up: a date with the Buffalo Bills in what would prove to be the most bizarre game of the season.
Finsmob Unleashed 
Earl Morrall was picked up off of waivers for 100 bucks not 125.
any of you northerners getting any of Florida vegetables or fruits. It’s our beginning of the season for strawberries. Check these prices Strawberries for 1lb package for 99cents,Cantaloupes 99cents each,pineapples 1.29, Florida oranges 4lbs for 1.29 and red apples for 39cents lb.
My notes said Miami paid a $125 waiver fee for Morrall. But, either way, the Dolphins got the bargain of the decade! Hope all you folks like this amazing episode.
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I’ve been told that the greatest team of all time was the ’49ers of the ’80’s. Another said Staubach’s Cowboys while still another said Bradshaw’s Steelers were the best. To all those folks I say “When YOUR team runs the table and starts a back up quarterback in 11 games, please let me know. Until then, the ’72 Dolphins are the greatest team in NFL history!!!”
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article from game
Thanks for the writes, OD.
I’ve said it before, but I really appreciate people taking time from their lives to create these articles for us to read. They are time-consuming, and most here seem to be conscientious about their works, so doing the fact checking and research.. I am a fan of you guys- all of you.
Miami Dolphins signed Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson.
http://national.suntimes.com/nfl/7/72/734556/the-rock-miami-dolphins
http://nfltraderumors.co/dolphins-a-wildcard-team-for-ndamukong-suh/
Great piece OD
Poor Griese
I hope the injury doesn’t hurt our chances to go undefeated…
😉
good one
@TheFlyingPig44: In case you missed it yesterday,
Here is an Alien’s scouting report of Todd Gurley
Yep, an alien…
http://t.co/d7kcdDUK3m
Miami Dolphins: The Dolphins clearing space over the last few days had led to speculation that the team is preparing to make a splash in free agency. The team has approximately $10 million of cap space after putting a $7.071 million transition tag on tight end Charles Clay. More cap room can be easily created by releasing additional players.
The same structure the Dolphins adopted when the team was aggressive during free agency in 2013 could be used with Suh. Those deals contained modest signing bonuses and salary guarantees to keep the first year cap number low. The base salaries in the first two years of these deals were fully guaranteed at signing. The second year cap number typically was more than twice as much as in the first year.
Mike Wallace, who signed a five-year, $60 million deal, had the most extreme jump. His cap number went from $3.25 million in 2013 to $17.25 million in 2014. A similar type of increase in first and second cap numbers might be necessary with Suh. Some of the deals had conditional third-year base salary guarantees that were player friendly. For example, $3 million of Dannell Ellerbe’s 2015 base salary became fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the 2014 league year, which was last March 15. The Dolphins or any other team where there isn’t a state income tax could try to sell Suh on the concept that the overall dollars in the deal don’t have to equal what they would elsewhere. For instance, a six-year contract with $94.3 million over six years and $50.85 million in the first three years is equivalent to a six-year, $102 million deal with $55 million over the first three years in Detroit, after taxes.
Wednesday, Dolphins win again!
Woop woop
My daddy left home when I was three
And he didn’t leave much to ma and me
Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze.
Now, I don’t blame him cause he run and hid
But the meanest thing that he ever did
Was before he left, he went and named me “Suh.”
@TheFlyingPig44: Brady’s reaction to rumors Dolphins are candidates to acquire Suh http://t.co/S0efXvT7EP
LOL
Yeah!!!
I just tweeted that pic
LOL
Kraft will be on the phone with Goodell 2 seconds after we got Suh, and the dialogue would go something like this . . . .
KRAFT: Uh, Hi Roger, by now I’m sure you’ve heard that the Miami Dolphins just signed Suh, right?
GOODELL: Yes Bob, I did. Just came through.
KRAFT: Just tell me I have nothing to worry about Roger, I want to HEAR that!
GOODELL: No worries Bob. Really. Your boys can hold that barbarian all day long like you do with that other pest, Wake. If That animal even “squeaks” about anything I’ll suspend him for his poor behavior. Don’t you worry Bob, he won’t get near our Tommy, you have my word on that!
Then Goodell is mysteriously murdered in his sleep by a pig with no pants
This will be the police sketch
F’n Bills get LeSean McCoy. 3rd place again. SMMFH
I don’t see how we can sign Suh. He will cost close to 20 million a season. We don’t have that cap space without gutting our roster.
Think McCoy forces our hang to make room? J?K but actually im not so sure McCoy is to be as feared as he once was. Dont get me wrong i think he is still good RB, but Spiller was too, at this point in his career i think it would be like facing Spiller so no worse off than before.
We have the cap room Ken
Stop thinking that way
We are actually going to be well under the cap in 2016
Everyone is reporting we are serious players for Suh
And we can sign Suh without affecting the ability to sign Tanny long term
All of the sudden this Suh thing got very serious
Damn, AJ Francis having a twitter spat with someone lol. When will these guys learn.
what would be fun to watch twice a year is suh vs our former mr nfl dirtiest player.
He’d eat Richie’s lunch and then tell him to make that squirting bitch mom of his to make some more.
Yep
Suh will dominate Incognito if that happens
I wonder if vegas would put out a line of unsportsman like conduct penalties
The FA I most want us to sign who I think will have a bigger impact than Suh is Iupati
Ken
I’d actually rather the Bills have McCoy than Alonso. McCoy wasn’t nuthin’ last season. He couldn’t create any space for himself. I had him in FF, and I watched him a lot. Not sure why, but he was very pedestrian last season.
Essentially they are adding McCoy and probably David Harris. I agree with you, McCoy is less of a concern to me than a healthy Alonso.
D:
McCoy is light years better than Spiller
He WAS, but I’m telling you, last year he was anything but special, and I watched a lot of his games. They didn’t trade him for an injured LB because he’s the best RB in the NFL.
Not any more man, you could see it last year he just didnt have it. I dont doubt he is still an elite back, but he isnt anything near like he was in 2013.
He showed signs of decline last year
Heading in the wrong side of 40
And Ryan isn’t exactly a great offensive mind
I don’t think either team got better or worse
It was a salary purge by the Eagles
And Alonso doesn’t for Rex scheme I guess
We can sign Suh most of the money he’ll get this year will be signing bonus not Cap money, then give another wad of the guaranteed next year when we have a lot of cap space.
Get Suh – Get Playoffs
That’s the way I see it.
Espn Headline
Last night Roger Goodell was “pork chopped” in his sleep.
In other news Tom Brady wet himself
Suh will smash Richie’s Ferrari oh wait Richie does that all by himself
I think its close, i mean McCoy is still a very special RB, elite even if its in decline, but i think Mike is right, Alonso probably woulda affect us more.
The a Eagles were actually about to cut McCoy to save cap room
But they got something out of it
Chip Kelly seems obsessed with former ducks
I’m still not buying Suh to Miami. Though the immense cap space in 2016 & 2017 make it feasible though. That space makes it feasible to land him, Franklin, MLB, and good DB.
To put this in “Absolute Perfection” terms – Suh would be our modern day Manny Fernandez. Y’all unnerstan me now?
noumsayin’?
I was one of the first to say Suh was a real possibility, i even crunched some numbers months ago and came up with a way we could do it. It does cripple our FA moves, pretty much would be one and done, or one and a decent second, like we MAY be able to squeeze in a OG like Boling, but it would be pretty tight. It would also really depend on if they can get a couple people Wake being the big one, to renegotiate. I think if they told him they were trying to add Suh he may would. Id be ok if out FA was Suh, and Boling. Id like to add a vet DB, or LB, but if we got those two positions filled with those guys we would be successful. I still find Knighton to be a more cost effective option, but its not about “is it doable, because it is, its do you put all your eggs in one basket.
To me, getting Suh would definitely generate a lot of interest and excitement. It’s definitely not something we have to do, but it would be pretty wild if we did.
I agree, i think its an awesome idea, and immediately i think our defense goes from meh to very strong, but we would still have a lot of holes to fill and it would be come getting cant misses in draft to make sure we filled them. Im good with it either way, as everything could work out in either direction, but its just something they will and probably already have mulled over. Im just going to trust them to make the right decision.
dbolt48 says:
March 4, 2015 at 9:50 am
I’m still not buying Suh to Miami. Though the immense cap space in 2016 & 2017 make it feasible though. That space makes it feasible to land him, Franklin, MLB, and good DB.
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That space though is not counting Pouncey, or Clay, or a extension on Tanny. Though it does include Wheeler and Ellerbe, who both would likely be cut.
Tannehill can get done next year easily enough. We have the option on him for next year already.
Yeah at 15mil against the cap.
Nope already got that, but with there newer contracts you can construct them around Suh’s. Also in a year or two Both Grimes and Wake will be asked to restructure or be shown walking slips. It’s just that balancing act.
Yeah but losing Grimes at CB would make us weak in coverage so having Suh gets almost nullified. You have to keep those two things balanced to have a strong defense. Having Suh would probably give us the latitude to be “adequate” in pass coverage and get by, but honestly right now we are barely adeqaute now WITH Grimes.
Not really what I’m saying about Grimes. I think he’s gone in another year or two. His play slipped in the second half and he will be in his mid 30’s. Same with Wake. Suh would be a proper investment for this defense as those two faze out. Now I could see them going after a young corner in FA this year also. I know what you’re getting at, but we have to hope Taylor will stay healthy and Davis can get healthy etc. We can’t hope that players in their mid 30’s can hold the fort for this team. I think you know what I’m getting at.
Adding Suh is more than just adding a FA piece, its a HUGE statement, it changes the entire complexion of the D and team. We would have the most feared defenders and a giant marquee player, we’d be making noise boys.
Oink and Agreed
And Wake, Vernon and Jordan will really benefit
Today’s game is offense-centric. To spend the kind of money it is going to take to get one player on the defensive side of the ball seems irresponsible to me, and would hamstring the team for 5+ years. And I really like Suh. But watch what Houston hours through.
Hours-goes
You can afford a few high priced players
It’s less important what position they play
The issue is are they elite
If you are going to pay a guy elite money
He needs to be elite
And Suh is
Wallace is not
Suh will shape the D of whichever team he goes to
Great QB
Protect the QB
Great pass rush
That is what it takes to succeed
And Suh is among the best at his position
Not on the defensive side of the ball-he would be the highest paid player. It would be the wrong use of the cap space.
D says:
March 4, 2015 at 9:59 am (Edit)
Yeah at 15mil against the cap.
But it wouldn’t be a hit like that with an extension. He’d bet a whole new deal that would be a lot more cap-friendly than that.
Its going to about that much with an extension… you might be + or minus but its going to be pretty close to that much, especially if they are going for the contract they are rumored to be going for, 106 for 6 year, and 3rd year option for team. That means they are going to try to frontload that contract, meaning its actually more likely north of 15mil the first year.
Ya need to add about 30mil to the cap numbers next year and thats without Suh’s 17, so about 47mil to the 102mil we have on the books. That puts at about 149mil which would be backs against the wall, and we’d have to cut someone or clear cap space JUST to sign the draft class. Again im not saying it isnt doable, but the freedom to do it isnt as much as you guys think. Im actually somewhat on the side of getting him, we just will have to walk a hard line as far as the contract and be prepared to make some sacrifices down the line, like we might would have to cut Wake next year and draft a replacement.
1,300 yards rushing by McCoy last year plus he is an excellent receiver. Don’t know much but that is pretty special talent.
Ken,
There is a school of thought that says McCoy was successful in a particular type of offense, one that is not like what Buffalo will run, and he will not be able to produce at the same level.
I think Spiller int hat same system, has about the same success.
The Flying Pig says:
March 4, 2015 at 10:11 am
How signing Suh works for us cap wise
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/03/suh-pursuit-has-support-in-fins-front-office-dolphins-heat-canes-marlins-chatter-.html
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Article is right in line with my thoughts, and infact its almsot exactly what i posted like 2 months ago when we first started talking about it.
Im not arguing he is good, but Spiller put up 1300, 2013 and almost 1k last year in a tandem system where he isn’t even the primary. To me Buffalo lost more than it gained is all i can say, though they wouldnt have had Spiller next year either, so there’s that.
Suh dance
Again, I like him, but the league penalizes defense and promotes offense. Spend more on offense than defense. When the rules start to favor defense (if ever), then get that player.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
How signing Suh works for us cap wise
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/03/suh-pursuit-has-support-in-fins-front-office-dolphins-heat-canes-marlins-chatter-.html
Trypod
To me a wining model in this cap environment would be to spend big $ on your qb, LT and pass rush
But you have to draft skill positions well as well as other positions on d
But I do think spending on pass rush is a good idea and a winning formula
I understand you think that, I just don’t think recent history will support your theory/premise.
That being a contract of 100mil+ on the defensive side of the ball= playoff success. And I’m not even talking about his personality, and the likelihood he’ll be suspended at different times during his contract period.
@flasportsbuzz: Cap guru Joel Corry notes if Suh signs 6 yr,$102 M deal,he gets $58.99 million from Fins (no state tax),compared with $51.1 M from Raiders.
That’s big money. That’s like 4 extra times at Ruth’s Chris.
Posted this yesterday, It would be Jags and US, and then Seattle for the teams he could play for and save money via taxes.
But ya ought to thank me, before I die,
For the gravel in ya guts and the spit in ya eye
Cause I’m the son-of-a-bitch that named you “Suh.'”
Try
I understand what you’re saying. Truth is, you need to have your QB in place, and I think we have that. We can get some WR talent in this draft, and provided we didn’t get rid of Wallace, we will have talent on the offensive side of the ball too. I do understand though at some point Tannehill will need to get paid, and when that happens, we will have too much money tied up into 2 players. That I agree on, and it will prevent us from keeping or obtaining other good players.
Rumor has it McCoy is upset about trade to buffalo…lol
Ya think, who the hell would want to go there.
Yeah i think they said that he is already gearing up for a contract extension (therefore contract negotiation) or holdout.
D says:
March 4, 2015 at 10:27 am
The Flying Pig says:
March 4, 2015 at 10:11 am
How signing Suh works for us cap wise
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/03/suh-pursuit-has-support-in-fins-front-office-dolphins-heat-canes-marlins-chatter-.html
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Article is right in line with my thoughts, and infact its almsot exactly what i posted like 2 months ago when we first started talking about it.
D,
I agree with you in regards to Spiller in Kelly’s system. Definitely not a knock against shady as he took advantage of what he was given. Just like Lamar Miller took advantage of the read option last year. Nothing wrong with that.
If we are to spend money in FA go get Iupati. That will have a bigger impact than signing Suh
He is a good player
But Suh is deifinately likely to make a bigger impact wherever he goes
He is probably one of the top 2 defensive players in the league
Him and Watt IMO
He’ll make a big impact, alright- on their ability to make moves in the future.
The most important factor in signing Suh is to have Tannehill continue to progress and instead of marginally progress this year we need a real big step from him. The type of step that puts him in the conversation about the better QB’s in the league, the type of step that puts Wins on the board, the type of step that ensures we have our guy for the next many years.
D’s Suh dance
LMAO
LOL!!
If you don’t want Suh you love 8-8, lol jbb
I know that’s not directed at me, and I think the dude is awesome- but go screw yourself!
Ken Hulk dance
Suh Dance I mean
I will have to agree with Ken, getting an OG IS probably the most important position fill in FA. I think we can manage both, again, with the correct structuring of the contract, etc. Will take some strong magic by the cap witch, and probably means i get my wish and we cut Wallace 🙂
Mike E Suh Dance
LOL! That’s my Gerod Holliman dance too, BTW
We’ll get Suh, and we’ll cut Wallace, and we’ll lose all our games 6-3. lol
But Brady’s spine will be crushed
The other thought with us taking Suh is, better to be with him than see him lined up for the Jets. LOL
Mike,
I guess you get what I am saying-hell, I’m not even sure anymore. You can get a few solid players on defense for the price it is going to cost to get one. I just don’t think it pays to tie that much up on one player who is not the qb. If you develop that player, then maybe, but I am dubious to paying a fa that kinda money. I realize those are different points, but it hours into my thinking on this.
Lol- hours= goes
Tim’s Suh dance
OD, it’s hard to argue against the 1972 Dolphins as the best team ever. The 1984 49ers were the best team I ever saw as an adult. I was too young to really get what the 1972 Dolphins were all about.
LOL @ all the Suh dances.
Trypod’s Suh Dance
Lol
Tom Brady’s Dolphins DON’T sign Suh dance
Lol
What is going on with his knees
What’s going on with his hair, and his relentless pursuit of looking extremely gay
Make it stop please make it stop
Is that Bruce Jenner?
LMAO
Since Don shula apparently has never dances, therefore the internets has none… this is Son’s dance.
LMAO!!!!
Is Son the green guy or the blue guy? lol
LOL, weeeeeee I have a dance
LMAO!!
Suh dances
FFR getting his groove on.
Lol thats a bad day, go from some tramp to some tramp with concrete skid marks on your face.
LOL!
Steelers trying to get Polamalu to retire so they dont have to cut him.
Lmao
Now this song is stuck in my head
Oddly enough, I have this song on my phone, and if you have had little kid in your life you know how that can happen.
http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2015/3/2/8133695/devante-parker-the-best-wide-receiver-in-the-nfl-draft
Ian Wharton now saying the Suh deal is going to be 6years 110-115mil at least half guaranteed.
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 17m17 minutes ago
Agent Kennard McGuire tells PFT that he has asked the Texans to cut WR Andre Johnson. McGuire has not and will not try to seek a trade.
LMAO @ the FFR dance! Bitch was like “One minute I was twirling my hair like crazy, and the next I just took off from the stage and landed on my head”. “Not sure, but I think I’m smarter now”.
https://twitter.com/theflyingpig44/status/573152202459635713
Of the 10 highest paid defensive players in the NFL last year (Suh was #8), only one has played in the Superbowl, and he was a db (Richard Sherman).
Here’s Tom Brady trying to look like a tennis coach.
So what did i miss in the last 15-17 hours…the Fins actually going to sign Suh or are we being used as leverage for a new deal in Detroit?
I think we are one of 6 contenders including Detroit
Here is Tom Brady watching Gronk take off his shirt
My only concern with Suh in a Fins uni is that the NFL will be seeking to suspend him routinely 😦
Brady likes hearing that
Here’s Tom Brady looking at his wife in a bikini.
http://i1.wp.com/radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bruce-jenner-ashamed-sex-change.jpg?fit=551%2C9999
Lol
Same face he makes when eating a lemon
Suh contemplating TBrady
Guys stop with the Jenner pics, i’m in tears here at my desk LOLOLOL
Hi there young man, my name is Marsha, what’s yours?
If we sign Suh we are going to be eating a huge portion of our cap for years to come and we still need to fix the OL and WR. Detroit probably had the best DL in the league last year and couldn’t win a playoff game.
Don’t get me wrong. I like Suh a lot. He is a great player. I will cheer for him if we sign him but I don’t think it is the best move for us. Detroit with Suh has not won a playoff game.
Bleacher Report @BleacherReport 1h1 hour ago
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This Kid is friggin 15 years old and is already 6’10
Haven’t seen the video yet but hopefully he has a better shot than Bol lol.
One of my HS moments was sitting behind the Sixers bench in an overtime game and telling Bol to shut it that his team sucked because they couldn’t put away a crappy Miami team (cause he kept going “yessssss!” when his team rebounded). He gave me the ‘fuck you’ look lol.
Ken,
Cap games are fun exercises ($1 mill cap hit one year, 20 the next lol).
The real hurdle for Miami is stacking Suh’s yearly hit with Ryan Tannehill’s future deal.
Besides, the total money being reported is worthless as we all know the only $ that we care about is guaranteed money.
The biggest problem will be that fucking contract TB gave McCoy which serves as the benchmark I guess ($51 mill guaranteed in that deal).
Prior to that contract, DT’s like Ngata and Wilfork only got 25-27 mill in guaranteed money in their best playing contracts.
The Bills Dareus is getting about 21 mill in guaranteed money on his current deal.
McCoy is the only outlier but I’m pretty sure Suh’s agent going to project his client’s deal based on that.
I believe they’re looking at J.J. Watt’s contract.
“The real hurdle for Miami is stacking Suh’s yearly hit with Ryan Tannehill’s future deal.”
Absolutely Al — that is the crux of it. For sure we can sign both and have the cap friendly first years in both, but that just delays the hit. Would hate to be in cap hell three years from now.
If you sign Suh and give Tanny his future deal, you better be a good team and make it to a championship game if not a super bowl. Can’t just be okay.
Completely agree Tim. Don’t think we are ready for that kinda signing. Might be different if we didn’t have Tanny’s salary zooming up in the picture.
Al:
My understanding is Suh is looking at JJ Watt’s deal as the benchmark. That is 6 years 100 million. Too much imo for a player who is not a QB. It’s a QB league and you have to pay the QB and protect the QB. I just don’t see that kind of investment as the piece that gets you to the next level.
I agree.
Going to grab some lunch BBL.
So this is the plan?
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-miami-dolphins-suh-0305-20150304-story.html
Ken,
JJ Watt’s deal is the same as McCoy’s anyway (51 guaranteed).
Nate Washington is being rumored to be one of our targets for FA, a little older but probably comes on the cheaps. Dunno, he’s been pretty solid performer, but id rather bring in a draft pick to replace Hartline than another vet.
Ken says:
March 4, 2015 at 9:36 am
F’n Bills get LeSean McCoy. 3rd place again. SMMFH
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I don’t know if you’re saying they’re 3rd place or being a defeatist and saying we’re 3rd place. McCoy did little last year, he’s getting up there in years and they’re losing Spiller, I think they went backwards at running back. Bills with McCoy (the current one, not the younger one that everyone remembers) don’t scare anyone.
Agreed, this trade doesn’t scare me in the least. Ryan’s defense and competent play at QB worries me more.
Agreed on both of those counts as well. The Bills will contend in this division (IMHO) but not because of McCoy.
Actually, I’m looking at McCoy & Watt’s deals. McCoy gets more $ in his first two years (35 mill over first 2 seasons) than Watts who gets $26.5 over first two seasons.
Neither is guaranteed anything north of $30-35 mill meaning if they are cut after 2015 season, they lose about 10-20 mill in so called guaranteed money which isn’t guaranteed lol.
I do not understand the last paragraph at all. Guaranteed is guaranteed. Are you saying that some of the guarantee doesn’t trigger until they make the roster in 2016 (or some similar trigger criteria)??? If so than that makes sense, but I would point out that money isn’t guaranteed until that triggering event.
I haven’t looked at the contracts, probably won’t since neither have anything to do with the fins to be honest, so this is just in response to your post fwiw.
Jahn,
Sproles kinda stole McCoy’s thunder and it seems for whatever reason Chip used McCoy to set up Sproles. Anyway, I think Ryan prefers a power back and the Bills see that there will be guys like Corey Grant in the draft to have as a complementary speed back.
Sproles also not as good as Spiller. That’s the deal here. Read my post above. Sproles isn’t the sole reason his production fell off a cliff, he had the same amount of carries year over year but 300 less yards, 1 yard per carry less in average, and nearly half the TDs. His receiving dropped off a cliff, which SOME of that can be attributed to Sproles, but man, the bells marking the traditional RB career dropoff are ringing really loudly.
This should say “read my post below” as the above one is a totally different topic. LOL
Jahn, I agree McCoy is getting up there in years in the league but he did rush for over 1,300 yards last year. His receiving yards 37-155 were horrible though. I wouldn’t trade for a RB entering his 7th season.
Me neither. Look at his attempts per game. Same year over year. Yet his average went down almost a full yard, his yards per game went down by 18 his total yardage went down by 300 yards, his receiving production fell off a cliff.
He’s not the same guy. Pointing out 1300 yards in a vaccum is all you could do to compliment the guy because when you hold it up to what he’d done in the past and you remember that the same coach who saw him in his heyday traded him for a talented but oft injured LB, well, the writing’s on the wall. I would rather have Spiller than McCoy straight up in 2015. That trade doesn’t scare me at all. Rex Ryan things he can revive RB careers after they start to go downhill, but did Chris Johnson scare anyone last year?
I agree with you. Not impressed with the Bills getting Matt Cassel either. LOL
Bills just got Cassel from Vikes lol…damn they are desperate not to play Manuel
I think most of you are getting played on the Suh thing. I will gladly endured piggy’s squealing if I’m wrong, but I just don’t see how it works.
Ryan Tannehill is going to get paid. They’ll have to defer a bunch of Suh’s cap hit into 2016 to make it fit under the current cap, and that’s when they’ll need money for Tannehill’s contract. Waiting to resign Tannehill is a fools errand. If you honestly believe his career arc is going to fall off a cliff in the next 2 years I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for you. He’s only going to get more expensive.
The current fins ALREADY spend more money on Defense than they do on offense. Adding Suh would make that number really lopsided. Does Suh make us the top defense in the league? Did he do that for Detroit? Does he make us a playoff team? Did he do that for detroit?
Tannehill’s contract is what we’re clearing money for, not Suh’s. You’re all getting played and I’m the guy who will listen to the fallout when Suh doesn’t get signed. So, I’m allowed to point it out.
If I’m wrong, I’ll root for him 100%, and enduring the squealing. But I don’t see how it works when this team has so many other holes to fill and those holes only get bigger in years 2 and 3 of a hypothetical Suh contract when his cap hit will be the greatest.
Bill traded a 5th and a 7th to Vikes for Cassell.
This Jahn’s dance when we don’t sign Suh,
LOL…won’t celebrate it, I don’t even say “I told you so” very often. I just don’t see it happening, but I do see us as fans getting burned every offseason when the media stirs our hopes and it doesn’t play out.
Somebody post something so that guy will get off my screen!
Careful what you ask for. Tim’s on a roll! LOL!
I only use it as a last resort, but if it’s worse than that I’ll have to use the little red X
LMMFAO!!!!
WTF???????Oh shit. Can’t. Stop. Laughing!!!!!
I’m in the buzzkill crowd regarding Suh as well. Great player, but since when has making a splash in FA turned a team into a consistent playoff contender? Realistically, it’s taking a shot at the SB for the next two years. Sorry, I just don’t see it. It would get me more excited for our chances next season I guess.
Recently read an article on how Baltimore maintains their depth and seems to find good young players to fill in holes of departed vets. Detailed how they make most of their trades/FA moves based on compensatory picks. They understand the draft is a crapshoot, but give yourself enough chances and you will hit on enough to fill out the roster with quality starters and backups. There’s a reason they are in the mix every year and will continue to do so even without an elite QB.
Would love to read that article if you can remember where you saw it.
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Jahn,
“Are you saying that some of the guarantee doesn’t trigger until they make the roster in 2016 (or some similar trigger criteria)??? If so than that makes sense, but I would point out that money isn’t guaranteed until that triggering event.”
Yes. For quick analysis on guaranteed money, I just view what OverTheCap or Spotrac shows at the header for guarantees.
But when I glance at the allocation of money and specifically the schedule of dead money in the progression of years, I get a better idea of guarantees.
In Watt’s case, his 2016 & 2017 base is guaranteed on the first day of the 2016 NFL calendar year (base = $10.5 mill each of those years). Spotrac’s data shows roughly $31 mill guaranteed at signing ($10 mill signing bonus; $10 mill roster bonus to be applied in 2015 cap year, & base salaries in 2014/15 of $900k & $10 mill respectively.
Spotrac shows $6 mill dead money hit for Watt for 2016 cap year (OverTheCap showing same).
McCoy’s contract outlay shows a $21.3 mill allocation for 2014, $14.6 mill for 2015, and 96% of his 2017 money guaranteed by 3rd day of 2016 NFL calendar year. There’s also a roster bonus of $6.5 mill allocated for 2016 on top of a base salary of $6 mill scheduled for that season (guaranteed on 3rd day of 2016 calendar year.).
McCoy’s dead money for 2016? $1.5 mill.
I’m not sure I have that much mental power to apply to non-fins contracts, but your “yes.” helps a lot and I’ll take the word on the rest. Those clauses where guys are guaranteed their base salary on day 1 of the new league year (or whatever triggering criteria they use) are tantamount to injury guarantees. The team still has an out if they want to cut the player in the offseason, but if not they’re guaranteeing his next years’ salary against injury.
I do enjoy how creative these things can get. 9 times out of 10, it’s about how the agent presents/sells the contract to the player. Because most players don’t have a prayer of understanding those contracts…
I think there are a lot of people underestimating exactly how good McCoy is and how overestimating how good Spiller is. McCoy is a legit feature back while Spiller has never been able to be the featured back.
That’s why McCoy split time with Sproles last season? Doesn’t compute, and honestly, I don’t think “feature back” matters much anymore. Spiller could have been a feature back, but Fred Jackson was not to be denied. McCoy will split time with Jackson next year just like Spiller has done his whole career.
Sproles was a 3rd down back. Very different role than how the Bills split reps between Jackson and Spiller.
14: R1P14 WR KEVIN WHITE WEST VIRGINIA
47: R2P15 DT CARL DAVIS IOWA
78: R3P14 G TRE JACKSON FLORIDA STATE
111: R4P15 OLB KWON ALEXANDER TCU (LSU)
142: R5P14 CB JACOBY GLENN UCF
175: R6P15 FS ADRIAN AMOS PENN STATE
207: R7P15 FB TYLER VARGA YALE