Oh the Horror…
In this photo, Prawny illustrates how our offense looked
In this photo, Prawny illustrates how the defense looked…
Off to London to play the Jests
Next week is a new game
Oh the Horror…
In this photo, Prawny illustrates how our offense looked
In this photo, Prawny illustrates how the defense looked…
Off to London to play the Jests
Next week is a new game
In a copy cat league…..we are playing a brand of football, schemes, and lack of emotion that can’t be found anywhere else with the other 31 teams.
D
I have to say, any safety not names Reshad sucks. Aikens and Thomas have been terrible.
What I think it boils down to is the coaching staff is the only area we can change out immediately (at least after this season) that might have a big impact on the overall play of the team. After that it gets a lot tougher.
Let the Sean Payton watch begin.
if they did change coaches they would have to have a coach that was willing to continue with the development of new players we have. Another words no putting a square peg into a round hole to fit their schemes. The foundation is finally set for developing players and replacing players that are coming up for a new contract.
I’m so upset I can’t even operate the blog properly. I need time to heal. I’m in a glass cage of emotion.
LOL SB – I was 9 and liked the Dolphin in the pool. 🙂
A couple decades of mediocrity has made us all some cranky old curmudgeons. Good to know I’m not the only one anymore. Lol
So does Average Joe still have a job?
blowbin still has a job. I doubt there will be any changes before the bye.
LOL @ Randy
Misery loves company
D
I don’t know about you, but I’m damn tired of seeing our OL going backwards or sideways on every fricking snap. Lazor’s gameplans have taken all of the aggression out of our OL. They’re constantly reacting…our OL never has the chance to dictate play or be aggressive.
it starts and ends with philbin. It was the same shit under sherman. The only thing that hasn’t changed is blowbin. He needs to go.
D, I can never absolve the players regardless of coaching. They play the game. I see no passion or pride.
hey randy, glad to see you around. how’s bucket life been treating ya
Boulder,
I think Philbin has been pretty clear that he allows his coordinators to run their own house, so to speak. I don’t think he dictates to his coordinators how to do their job. Is that a bad thing? Maybe…but I think that’s usually the way it is in the NFL, for the most part.
People are picking the low-hanging fruit with all the coach-bashing, in my opinion. We’ve changed coaches a lot over the past 20 years…has it ever helped? I’m surprised folks think it’ll be any different this time around if we change again. Change for the sake of change, I guess. I get the frustration. They could fire everyone in the organization at this point, and I wouldn’t care. Lol
we changed 25 players last year to this year. Did that help?
In football coaches have to put the players in a position to succeed. Not every player is a probowl player. IMO philbin has not done that. He doesn’t get the best out of his players.
Suh is the best DT in the game and he looks below average on a philbin team. Did he forget how to play the game?
Randy
You need to pick the right coach, with the right makeup and skillset for the team you have. We haven’t done that yet.
for,
We just had a gorgeous weekend here. I’m off today, and it’s sunny again. It’s great up here in the Great White North. Is Ken behaving himself in your basement?
philbin on now. He seems shell-shocked. He’s done. stick a fork in him.
Randy
We also changed about 24 players. Guess what, the players still don’t care. No inspiration or drive, or even fear or respect of the coaches.
exactly what I said above.
‘People are picking the low-hanging fruit with all the coach-bashing, in my opinion. We’ve changed coaches a lot over the past 20 years…has it ever helped? I’m surprised folks think it’ll be any different this time around if we change again. Change for the sake of change, I guess. I get the frustration.’
it isnt low-hanging fruit, it is fruit that has falling on the ground, been eating by rats and snaked and is now fested with ants. if anyone thinks it is change just for the sake of change hasnt watch the first three games i watched…….ya, thats the ticket, this whole time i had my tv on the wrong station.
Boulder – What is Philbin on? Team website or NFL channel?
yea on miamidolphins.com
Is Ken behaving himself in your basement?
of course not, that is why i keep the big greenie around.
the first 2 drives of the game gave us everything we needed to know. We go 3 and out they drive down 80 yards with clay and spank us. We got out coached completely.
Mike E
I don’t know about the safeties?
I say Jones bite on the play fake and be late down the field on several occasions!
I’ll give it to him for his effort though!
Ok, so it’s coaching AND players…but it’s just easier to fire the coach. I get it. Lol
less salary cap issues
Honestly
Dolfans don’t just limit the criticism to coaches
there is a new whipping boy every year
OC, GMs, DC, head Coaches, Owners, QBs
I think Philbin isn’t very good, he’s average
but more importnantly, he may not be the only issue on the team
SB7
show her this dolphin
and this bear
and we will see who her team is at the end of the day
YES Randy! That’s exactly it. lol
Even if Jones didn’t have a great game this week, he’s played very well, and the game against the Redskins may be 44-20 if he didn’t make all those tackles.
LMAO Piggy!
Boulder,
We’ve also had about 8 different HCs in the past 20 years. Did any of those changes make us a better team because we’ve hovered around .500 throughout all their tenures.
Gotta keep trying until you get the right one. Joe isn’t that guy
By the same token, we’ve had roughly 500 different players in that same time period. Did any of those players make us a better team because we’ve hovered around .500 throughout all of their tenures.
My point is it takes the right combination of both, though I think finding a competent head coach who knows how to lead is a good start. The rest will more-or-less follow.
Randy says:
September 28, 2015 at 1:26 pm
Ok, so it’s coaching AND players…but it’s just easier to fire the coach. I get it. Lol
and the front office, the owner, the cheerleaders, the field maintenance crew, the hot dog vendor, the beer vendor and anyone else not me. now just fix the damn thing so i can enjoy my sunday’s again.
(ok, maybe not the cheerleaders, they are so cute how they bounce around, how could that not help)
I have no idea when this team will become good again or how and with who?
ffr
Maybe those cheerleaders are just too damn distracting. Maybe we should dress them in burkas and have them square dance.
MikeE,
Same goes for your QB. 😈
Do we have more talent than the 7-9 team of Tannehill’s first year? If you answer no then I don’t know what you’re looking at.
Hey, I didn’t wanna hire Philbin in the first place. I just think it’s reactionary to blame the pathetic performance of this team solely on him. He’s not even close to the only problem with this organization. Fire them all!!!
Well if we continue to play like this Philbin and his staff will be fired at some point. But that also means this season is a bust. 😦
I could be completely wrong, but I think if you could bring the right guy in now, it’s not too late.
A new coach off the street or an interim coach from within?
hmmmm, well we pretty much now know how we basically all agree. as a group we fight over wins and will disagree about them. but now when they hit rock fucking bottom every one is just saying every one is to blame.
tim,
well it wasnt the 450-0 blow out, but it was a blow out. so that means now we traded that for sam, that means good things ahead for sam.
I’ll take that in a heartbeat.
mike
i was saying that last night. i just dont see how anything is going to change with keeping this coaching staff in place another minute. and i get the chances of anyone coming in are slim to none that they will be playoff type successful, but i know not doing it there are no chances.
Randy
I think Tanny is a better QB than Philbin is a HC
In fact, I can almost guarantee Philbin doesn’t get another HC job in the NFL, while suitors would line up to sign Tanny if we cut him
Yes, a middle of the pack qb is worth more than a bottom of the barrel HC. How long did it take you to figure that out? LOL kidding Mike!
that the question Ross should have asked at the end of year when he was deciding to keep philbin or fire him. Would anyone hire this guy if he’s fired?
At the end of the day
what difference does it make if they are both not very good
I agree. I think my dog is better at QB than philbin is a HC LOL.
Tim
A HC that is not in the NFL right now, or at least one that isn’t working for a team.
Well, I don’t see Gruden or Cowher coming here, nor do I see Shannahan, Billick or any other person with previous HC experience coming in now. Obviously I don’t know this, I just can’t see it, based on what we were discussing last night.
Tanny improved each year in the NFL. Did Joe’steam? W/L can’t be given to the QB
Who cares if he is improving, he is so damn inconsistent.
I care, because the O-line sucks, we have no running game, and it’s a lot to ask your QB to do it all when those are the circumstances. The QB can’t perform well when nothing else is working properly. He has no time to throw.
Try is pushing my buttons. lol
It seems like its 2007 all over again. The pats are talking about going undefeated and the phins are talking about how soon we can fire our coach and start all over again 😦
Tannehill is average at best; there is a lack of talent in many positions on this team. Steve Ross screwed up by firing Sparano and not Ireland; then firing Ireland and keeping Philbin. Blow the entire fucking thing up. I pray this team is sold; he may be a great businessman but Ross is CLUELESS as an owner.
http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/miami-dolphins-need-to-clean-house-after-embarrassing-loss-to-the-buffalo-bills-7289641
Boulder
Can your dog throw a nice deep ball?
yea with his mouth. And its better than philbin can coach oline 🙂
Try
You think Ross’ reputation keeps those guys away?
Not in-and-of-itself, but more because those guys know what’s going on and know it is not a job hey would want right now, particularly looking at all the change to come and each of those individually may be willing to sign a 4-5 year contract and bolt. I’m about where I was during the last coaching search- I’d like to see us clear house altogether, get a young innovator with a rising star, college or pro, new gm, sign them to 4 year contract, and see what happens.
‘I pray this team is sold; he may be a great businessman but Ross is CLUELESS as an owner.’
God sitting around. hmmmmm, should i fix this cancer thing or just get Ross to sell the Dolphins…….aaaahhhh, the hell with them too much work, there is that guy in Tampa who wants a new sofa
this coaching thing is easy.
ok lets see, this guys weakness if the long deep ball or fade route in the redzone……….i know, i am going to call all fade routes from the 2 yard line.
Look what rookie HC Dan Quinn is doing…he’s one young position coach we let get away….SMH!
I forgot
when and it what capacity did we have Quinn?
Mike’s buttons
LOL
Lol. It went overboard with the quickness today.
try,
i agree with you that during the season none of those names are coming here. and i doubt any of those big names will come here with hickey and tannannnaaannnnbum still here.
we have to start over again. Get rid of all of them including aponte.
Russell Wilson has a shitty o-line yet they won a Super Bowl and were 1 play from winning back to back — but let’s make MORE excuses for Mr. Inconsistent Pad the Stats Tannehill.
seriously? LOL
Oh yes seriously, put Tanny on Seattle bet he cannot do what Wilson has done.
Piggy, Quinn was our DL coach 2005-2006.
I see
We are going back to Saban on that one
He’s doing a good job with the Falcons so far and prviously did a good job with the Seahawks
LOL Piggy
The 1-15 team had more heart and was more competitive than these a-holes. Game yesterday was possibly the worst home game/opener ever.
lol to the wilson comparison again.
yeah, i am sure tanny throwing 4 pics in a championship game this defense will be able to keep the opposing team to fg’s.
you have to admit, wilson does a great job on defense
People forget that even Aaron Rodgers struggled a few years back when his OL was decimated and he had no time to throw. Team game and if some parts aren’t working then the team struggles.
Exactly!
There were a few years that the Packers OL was really bad and lead the league in sacks
When I watch the Packers now, the pocket is always collapsing, but Rogers really makes it work
I do think Rogers makes that OL look better than it is now
most good QBs do. Manning, brady etc… But the game plan has to allow for that. Quick passes in a 3 step drop.
And I think that is a fairer assessment of things- Rogers is capable of making those around him look better than they may be.
I’m most pointing fingers at the OC/DC.
Philbin gets my next vote, and its because he isn’t getting the ship straightened out and that’s a HC responsibility.
Some of the players while I think look outmatched also seem lined up in places that seem weird if its not their assignment. They are reacting to the ball carrier so counter intuitively that it seems like they are being directed to play this way more just playing poorly.
Like Randy said, some of the OL shifts which is different from previous year seems odd and its not working. They are blocking like they intend to run counter plays against the flow of the D but the just run the RB into the congested part of the field. It’s dumb and as u said HS coaches could adapt and change their game plan better than the hard headed fuckers.
Gigi (@Mrs2620) says:
September 28, 2015 at 2:18 pm
Oh yes seriously, put Tanny on Seattle bet he cannot do what Wilson has done.
and by that you think wilson would do the same here?
i get your hate and disgust with this team but lets have some since of sanity about it.
gigi,
the main problem with this team is FO and coaching. ROss is at fault for picking these idiots.
Tanny is way down the line.
Mike I don’t know that Tanny is that great. It would be splitting hairs to pick who is worst at this point. 3 years now and still no pocket presence. Still doesn’t know how to step up in the pocket properly, still has hard hitting the back shoulder, still can’t throw a fade.
I like the guy and think he has talent but this year he seems to be at best not progressing but arguably regressing
Well we just gave him 100 million so he’s our QB the next couple of years. And Suh is gonna be here. We have to hire a coach and FO that can build a team around the 2 of them for the next few years. It is what it is.
I think we should look at bringing back Saban. 2nd time a charm? LOL
‘Tanny is way down the line.’
exactly. he is on the line, but he is way down the line.
Gigi part is on lazor. Wilson has an OC that plays to his strength, move the pocket etc. Tanny would be much better if they did same with him but I’m also not defending Tanny because he also doesn’t seem to get the position as well as Wilson either
Just think Wilson is a smarter/more aware QB not as athletically gifted. I agree Lazor is not the answer, this team can’t score easily, and Coyle should have been fired last year. Also, has anyone seen Cam Wake and OV? They have disappeared
I bet Rusell Wilson would do better here – so yes i think he is a much smarter QB than Tanny
gigi,
IF tanny had the running game, the defense and coaching that seattle has he’d be much better. We’re asking tanny carry the team for us. He’s not manning or brady. He can complement and win a game here and there but he’s not gonna carry the team on his shoulder.
D, I’m with ya on the coordinators. But as a HC they’re what we wanted here, Joe knew what kinda scheme they run…..they’re all clueless to competing in today’s or any day’s NFL.
I was real high on Lazor when he was hired….was sick of Sherman & thought Lazor would bring some excitement, not excrement, from his tutelage under Kelly…..WRONG!
His play calling, scheme, formations, snap counts all are so off base that you can see i confused, out of sync, and puts them into bad situations…..That is why we aren’t scoring points, & that’s why Tanny has had struggles aside from his constant improvements each year (which is miraculous under these coaching clowns he’s had)!!!
D
Go through all the NFL QB’s, and tell me honestly which ones you’d rather have than Tanny
BoulderPhinfan says:
September 28, 2015 at 2:24 pm (Edit)
most good QBs do. Manning, brady etc… But the game plan has to allow for that. Quick passes in a 3 step drop.
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I think you can evaluate Tanny’s performance irrespective of of the game planning, playcalling and poor play (OL) around him
There are really 4 things that jump out at me will he appears to be well below par for an NFL QB
1, pocket presence
2. touch on the ball
3. deep and middle deep accuracy
4. knowledge of the game
I’m starting to lose confidence he will ever do anything of those things well
There are plenty of things he does well
but there is enough bad – to expose enough weaknesses to most defenses
If I were a new coach – I might want to draft my own guy rather than work through Tanny’s weaknesses
Look at Luck’s first two games, no protection and he looked like a run of the mill QB. It all starts up front and our trench guys on both sides of the ball aren’t getting it done.
I’m with GDP on this one with Tanny
Tanny cannot hit open receivers consistently even when he has time.
LOL @ the Tanny criticism when we all get tired of ripping apart the other glaring deficiencies around the franchise.
I’m not sure anyone is tired of ripping the rest of the team
this will probably go on for days…lol
I agree with Piggy
Anyone remember Marino struggling when the team wasn’t good enough? I do. Also his last game was the worst loss in team history.
I don;t think its the same thing
I don;t think Tanny is struggling
in fact he stats were pretty good vs Jax
its that he just isn’t very good at some things the position requires to succeed
I think Lazor’s offense puts him bad situations. You have a very mobile QB and we put him a shotgun pocket all day. Go look at the 80’s 49ers with Montana, that’s what he should be doing.
Yes! He has skills, but not a complete arsenal. He needs a better team around him to be consistently successful- not elite status- but dependable To ask him to be more than that is not realistic.
So let’s look at it this way….
Would the Phins had won yesterday if we had Manning or Brady @ QB running the play calls coming from Lazor???
Would the Phins won yesterday if we had JJ Watt & Revis on our defense playing to Coyle’s scheme & defensive play calls???
Answer is NO!
We have a very flawed mixture of schemes we employ to compete or lack of in the NFL.
Also add to that the overall team vibe and emotion for any player around the league playing under Mr. Bug Eyed Lifeless Blowbin! SMH!
maybe not yesterday
but vs the Jags?
If Brady or Manning (or rogers) has the ball with a chance to take the lead, I think they do in spite of the other weaknesses around them
Good God – comparing Marino struggling to Tanny and bringing up his last game?!? Blasphemy
Agreed it was not a good comparison. Marino was a shell of the man he had been when younger.
It was showing you how when all parts aren’t working I don’t care who you have behind center. Just a little reality about the game of football that one man cannot do it alone. But you keep ignoring simple facts and just bashing people. Have at it!!! You have a script and you pounce when things get bad.
Dan Marino is one of the greatest QBs EVER in the NFL; we won a shitload of games with him, went to the playoffs on a consistent basis and we were competitive in games we lost with him when he had NO defense or a running game. Please do NOT ever compare him to Ryan Tannehill.
We also had Don Shula he played under & not Bazooka Joe.
So far in 2015 Andrew Luck has a 65.1 QBR, 56% comp, 5 TD’s & INT’s & 2 Fumbles. Maybe the Colts should think about trading for Russell Wilson so they can win a super bowl. 🙄
Didn’t know I’d need my waders after lunch.
The hyperbole does get a bit thick around here, like a peat bog.
hyperbole, exagerration, negativity, excuses, lack of credit… you get the idea.
pretty sure Mike e said it best.
several teams would in a heartbeat take tanny. not a single team would take blowbin.
to think tanny is a major problem on this team is just not wanting to address the many multitude of other problems
I’ve just personally lost a little faith in Tanny as our future
I just see the same problems again and again
even when we win
I don;t think his contract is a huge problem moving forward
I’m pretty sure he is our QB for a little while
and he is good enough to win games
if we eventually draft someone else (and I am looking way down the line) , Tanny affords us a chance continue to be competition while a young QB develops
its not a Chad Henne situation
He better than anything we had since Marino
I don;t think we are losing b/c of Tanny
I don;t think we are winning bc of him either
It seems like everything else has to go well for him to perform well
Its a QB’s league right now
You really can’t be mediocre at the position
I’m thinking if we change coaches I’m not sue any coach will want their fate linked with Tanny
Its pretty common for new coaches to bring in their guys
It’s also common for a top HC candidate to look for a team with a good established QB that he can work with, bring along.
Tanny is that guy. He’s not some rouge over the hill vet that won’t work hard to improve.
This is why HC candidates didn’t come here previous to Tanny, with the likes of Henne, Lemon, etc.
I agree
like Fisher in St Louis
I guess there are 2 sides to that coin
The Flying Pig says:
September 28, 2015 at 2:47 pm
maybe not yesterday
but vs the Jags?
If Brady or Manning (or rogers) has the ball with a chance to take the lead, I think they do in spite of the other weaknesses around them
if this coaching staff had brady, manning or rogers they would run the ball on every down.
LOL
Can you imagine
Rogers is inactive today….WTF Philbin!!!
I do not think any other team would want Tanny as a starter
That’s gonna leave a mark…
Gigi (@Mrs2620) says:
September 28, 2015 at 2:53 pm
I do not think any other team would want Tanny as a starter
i think that pretty much says it all
Tim Knight says:
September 28, 2015 at 2:49 pm (Edit)
I think Lazor’s offense puts him bad situations. You have a very mobile QB and we put him a shotgun pocket all day. Go look at the 80’s 49ers with Montana, that’s what he should be doing.
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well I agree about Lazor’s offense
And I think Lazor’s offense does the same thing for our offense as a whole
I hate the shotgun stuff all day – but other teams are doing it successfully int he NFL right now
The thing is all the short passing and a limited running game (even when it working) means its so easy to not convert first downs
and you need so many 1st down to score
Its like we asking everyone to be perfect to score a TD
one breakdown and nothing works
no one makes up for the breakdown
“Its like we asking everyone to be perfect to score a TD”
That’s it. Nobody makes a play. It’s always a catch and a few yards and we go again. If one bad thing happens it kills the drives.
Well, I think I have to officially give up the ghost with this coaching staff. I’ve been very down on Coyle since last season, and to that end, the DL is far too talented for play this horrific, but the OL is shit too, and I’m sick of it. I don’t think it’s the QB for once in Miami, which might be the only thing besides unrealized talent on defense that this team has going for it.
Sorry so many of you are hurting, buy just know you’re all friends to me and no matter what the fins do I care about you as people!
Find your happiness, whether that means berating the coaches and players (and I understand why some of you are doing this!), or moving on to something else. Don’t let the Fins bring you down, let them lay in the bed they made!
happiness^^^
Well said. I’m as bummed as anyone but it’s not my style to bash people personally because they’re not getting the job done. This is a results oriented league and when you don’t get good results things change and we all know this. I have bigger things on my mind than to tear people down. It is what it is. We’re not a good football team right now but we’ll all get by. 😉
just for the record
I’m not about to fly the banner over the stadium or tweet #firephilbin
or really bash Tanny anymore than saying he’s not doing certain thinsg well and I’m not sure he is our future
Its just a loss
and in this sport you either win or lose
no reason to lose all human decency when you get either result
Me, neither. I haven’t said anyone sucks or ‘fire him now’ or anything. Change will come, as it must, but I appreciate Tim’s ability to seperate his frustration from his objectivity.
Gigi, nobody ever said Ryan is Dan. My point was even the greats can struggle without support. Who am I suppose to compare a situation with, Bubby Brister? LOL
You’re misinterpreting what I said.
You know I get too emotional when we suck – I gotcha. 🙂
I’m bummed too. We’re not a good team. Plenty of blame to go around.
Have a good day folks – I have nothing good to say about anyone on this team – except for Rishard Matthews and Jarvis Landry two guys who never quit.
Wait, you forgot that Tanny quit.
Gigi (@Mrs2620) says:
September 28, 2015 at 2:53 pm
I do not think any other team would want Tanny as a starter
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I bet dollars to doughnuts that Rex would take Tanny in a heartbeat over Tyrod Taylor and shit out of the Dolphins yesterday!
LMAO OKAY — I DO NOT THINK SO
marino was probably the best passing qb to play the game. i dont think anyone understood the passing game better then he did. but his teams never won a SB.
now i know the argument to that is going to be it takes a team to win a SB. i know that is my argument. if it works for marino it is the same for tanny. i am pretty sure i didnt see tanny on defense yesterday giving up td after td.
That’s the thing. The defense is disappointing too. We’re not playing team football and taking it to the opponent. Reactionary football is a good term that has been used a lot here and that’s what it is. That’s on the coaching staff. The actual play on the field is on the players, nobody playing with conviction. Really weird.
I got to get a lot of work done
catch up with you guys later
Peace out Piggy!
Gigi
That’s a radical statement. I’d say more than half of the NFL teams would do a backflip if they acquired Ryan Tannehill.
I agree with everything in the above statement but the back flip part. I just don’t see a lot of these coaches being able to do back flips. LOL.
Even the announcers were saying that yesterday…..and how this team is so bad, that they’re forcing Tanny to do everything he can to support them on his shoulders and how it wasn’t fair to the kid, and how he doesn’t complain, he keeps getting up off the ground and giving it his all.
one of his best qualities is toughness
Tanny is here to stay for the next couple of years so debating him is mundane. Same with Suh.
The only meaningful change we can do to fix this for the next few years is the FO and coaching staff. I’d rather live in reality than deal with what ifs.. This is what it is. We have to find a way to win with Tanny and Suh.
Correct, and that starts with & points directly to coaching schemes.
you know things are bad when Jahn has given up on bazooka joe 🙂
Tim Knight says:
September 28, 2015 at 3:00 pm
Well said. I’m as bummed as anyone but it’s not my style to bash people personally because they’re not getting the job done.
tim, i am not and havent seen anyone else bashing him personally. hell i dont know any of them personally. but as a fan i dont see anything wrong with expressing our mind about him professionally.
Yeah there is name calling going on and insults. Just scroll back. I’m not making it up. People can say what they want, I said that’s just not me.
mike and boulder,
why i said ‘i think that pretty much says it all’ about gigi’s comment. besides she did say and has said before she gets too emotional when they suck.
Went to a sports bar yesterday where a lot of folks know who I am.
Many of them, including Bills & Pats fans kept coming up to me saying, ‘Man, your team has so much talent and a good young QB, why are they sucking so bad?’
They also said that our team looked drained, lifeless…..
Fellow Dolfans, even other fans can see there is a major flaw here & it isn’t the QB or a host of other talented players we have.
gdp,
by the end of the game tanny looked like he’d been through a mud wrestling match with one of the cheerleader 🙂 he was muddy all over.
I heard the announcer say, look Tanny’s jersey is dirtier than any of his OLmen and that was a bad deal….lol
I hear ya FFR. I think I get a little too over the top too, it’s understandable.