Josh Rosen – Should the Dolphins be interested if the Cardinals are looking to move him?

I woke up early this morning and glanced at the clock behind my bed. The clock notified me it was only 7:26AM and since I’m off from work on Wednesdays, I decided to try and fall back asleep. This is the time when the mind wanders as you try and hypnotize yourself to fall back asleep. Damn the football side of my brain, because now I’m starting to really think about Josh Rosen and if he’s worth not only the Dolphins interest, but my interest as well. I tried to remain as unbiased as I possibly could, and think of the positives and potential positives of Josh Rosen on the Miami Dolphins.

Last year the Dolphins held the #11 pick and there was just the usual speculation of the Dolphins possibly taking a QB, nothing overwhelming in that direction. At this juncture, Ryan Tannehill was mostly recovered from his ACL tear and there was optimism that Tannehill could return to the form of the 2016 season where he played his best football as a Miami Dolphin. As it turns out, 4 QB’s were chosen before the Dolphins picked at #11. Baker Mayfield went #1 to the Cleveland Browns, Sam Darnold went #3 to the NY Jets, Josh Allen went #7 to the Buffalo Bills and then 1 pick before Miami was on the clock, the Arizona Cardinals traded to the #10 spot from #15 to choose Josh Rosen. The Cardinals traded their #15 pick as well as their 3rd RD pick (#79) and their 5th RD pick (#152) to move up 5 spots to get Rosen. Why did the Cardinals trade up to #10? The Buccaneers weren’t taking a QB, they have Jameis Winston. The Redskins just acquired Alex Smith so they weren’t looking for a QB. The Saints have Drew Brees and also weren’t taking a QB. The Raiders had Derek Carr so they weren’t taking a QB. Of course they may have felt that another team might move up, or they may have thought the Miami Dolphins would have selected Josh Rosen if he fell to them.

This whole scenario is somewhat important when trying to gauge both the Dolphins interest and the value of Josh Rosen. Numerous reports came out after the draft that the Dolphins had no interest in Josh Rosen, but is that entirely true? Is it possible that they just said that to calm the fan base that so desperately wanted a new QB and felt that Tannehill wasn’t the answer? If the Cardinals hadn’t traded up in front of the Dolphins, would the Dolphins have selected Josh Rosen as their new QB? I don’t know and neither do you but I’m sure Chris Grier knows. It’s a little amusing that this article itself was spawned from a report about Kyler Murray that Charlie Casserly released about how poorly Murray fared in team interviews. I don’t know the veracity of that report, yet another report from Daniel Jeremiah indicated that the Cardinals were just thrilled with Murray in their interview. If that’s the case, then it’s safe to assume that Kliff Kingsbury and the Arizona Cardinals want Kyler Murray and will take him with their #1 pick, which of course then makes last years #10 pick, Josh Rosen, expendable.

So what about Josh Rosen? He played on an awful team and to be fair, Steve Wilkes, a first time HC was fired after just one season. That’s a rarity in the NFL. Byron Leftwich, a 1st time Offensive Coordinator and Mike McCoy shared that post. David Johnson made his return from a broken wrist that forced him to miss 15 games of the ’17 season. David Johnson had a down year from the monster seasons he previously put up. He didn’t even break the 1000 yard mark rushing, averaging a paltry 3.6 YPC. He did score 10 TD’s, 7 rushing, 3 receiving, but Johnson had over 300 total touches, so 10 TD’s is basically a TD every 30 touches. The receiving corps was led by future HOF WR Larry Fitzgerald, and then not much else. Rookie WR Christian Kirk, Chad Williams, Trent Sherfield and J.J. Nelson. I mean, besides Fitz and Kirk, what else is there? At TE it was a combo of Jermaine Gresham and Ricky Seals-Jones, and the 2 TE’s combined for 43 receptions and less than 400 yards. My question is, was this all Josh Rosen’s fault, or was he playing on a really poor team with an unprepared first time HC that got fired after 1 season?

During draft time last year, the knocks on Rosen were that he wasn’t always coachable, and some even questioned his heart, as to whether he was fully committed to the game because he came from a wealthy family and he didn’t need to play football. As far as talent was concerned, I recall many experts stating that Josh Rosen was the most NFL ready QB of the group. He had full understanding of his offense and was very intelligent and could quickly digest and comprehend any NFL offense. He played in 30 games for UCLA completing just over 60% of his passes with 59 TD’s and 26 INT’s. Not great by any means.

One impressive stat that stands out to me was Rosen completed 63% of his passes in 2017 for UCLA while being blitzed. He possesses excellent footwork and throwing mechanics. In 2017, his receivers dropped 31 passes which of course negatively impacted his completion %. He has excellent touch on his passes and also throws receivers open, and also stands strong in the pocket. The negatives are he has a slight frame and is an injury concern. His arm talent and arm strength are below average. He only completed 42% of his passes when throwing on the run. He sounds like the Anti-Tannehill. He does all the things Tannehill can’t do, and none of the things Tannehill can.

I didn’t write this article to make a case for the Dolphins to trade for Josh Rosen. I wrote it to give a little information and background in order to be objective about the possibility. I really don’t believe that Rosen is an NFL failure. His below average arm would have to be in the right system, but we’ve seen a QB with a below average arm and lots of intelligence succeed right here in Miami when Chad Pennington was here. Tom Brady himself was considered to have a below average arm, and the fact that most of his throws are short crossers adds to the credibility of that, although I believe that Tom Brady works so hard, his arm is probably better now than when he was drafted. I reiterate, we don’t know if Rosen is available, but if he is, keep an open mind.

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1,267 Responses to Josh Rosen – Should the Dolphins be interested if the Cardinals are looking to move him?

  1. mf13ss says:

  2. Tim Knight says:

    Son, the Jets have been setup for this since last year. We knew it was coming. Let’s see what they do with their riches.

  3. son of a son of a shula says:

    Peter King says Dolphins are the sleeper team to land Laveon Bell, most say he goes to stej too.

  4. New Age says:

    Some of these deals seem incredibly rich and excessive. I’m really glad we aren’t one of the teams doing it this year.

  5. Tim Knight says:

    What these high-priced FA contracts are suggesting is teams better get better at drafting and recycling along the way similar to what the Pats do, or you’re almost forced to buy a team.

  6. son of a son of a shula says:

    On NFLNetwork just about every defensive player who signs a deal they show highlights of him either sacking or intercepting Tannehill.

  7. Tim Knight says:

    The Dolphins at the start of FA,

  8. Tim Knight says:

    Sorry but no thanks. Wish him well.

    • ElephantRider says:

      Buh bye…

      • Tim Knight says:

        Agreed and now RT becomes a need but I thought that would be the case anyway. We’ll see how we address it.

    • D says:

      Not much off what I would offered. I was thinking 4/48 he was worth that. That’s only 1mil a year more than I was thinking.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I didn’t think he was a $10M per player. Solid, inconsistent and durability issues.

      • D says:

        I disagree on that. He was a lot more solid and consistent than given credit for. A lot of the sacks blamed on him really weren’t just on him they were on RTs bad pocket awareness and poor drop backs.

      • D says:

        I think though we just didn’t wanna pay that for him, and that’s fine but I think that contract wasn’t really that off

  9. D says:

    Well James looks like he is gone on a massive deal

    • Tim Knight says:

      He’s a solid RT but Tunsil is a better player and will get more than that in a year or two. James at that price really doesn’t male sense.

  10. D says:

    LaAdrian Waddle, who was an OT for the pats is a FA OT who is probably going to be affordable. Also Cam Fleming who was with the Cowboys last year would also fit, formerly with the Pats too

  11. Tim Knight says:

    D, I soured on James the last couple of years. I don’t view him as highly as you do. It’s okay to disagree because we do. LOL

    • D says:

      I agree I don’t think I’m right I’m a novice like you, I just think he was a pretty good RT. He had so.e flaws, specifically he wasn’t great against power rushers but he was pretty good against speed rushers and in the run game

  12. ElephantRider says:

    I think James is a tad above average. Shows me tho, Fins arent going to be paying for anything.

  13. ElephantRider says:

    Letting James walk sets up a trade down and OL pick 1st rd.

  14. ElephantRider says:

    Reshad’s trade value went way up today…

  15. sometimes, sitting back and observing is a better way to go about things than getting nervous and making knee jerk decisions.

  16. Rockphin says:

    Wow, Denver really wanted James. It was rumored that they wanted to trade for him last season and now they make him the highest paid right tackle in free agency. Thank you for your service. I am glad we are not the fools making everyone the highest paid player at their position this year!

  17. Rockphin says:

    On the downside now we need to find 5-6 linemen Including back ups.

  18. Rockphin says:

    YOUR TEAM
    MIAMI DOLPHINS
    YOUR PICKS
    1: R1P13 EDGE CLELIN FERRELL CLEMSON
    2: R2P22 OT YODNY CAJUSTE WEST VIRGINIA
    3: R2P23 DL DEXTER LAWRENCE CLEMSON
    4: R3P21 G CHRIS LINDSTROM BOSTON COLLEGE
    5: R3P38 C ERIK MCCOY TEXAS A&M
    6: R4P14 CB SAIVION SMITH ALABAMA
    7: R5P13 EDGE JALEN JELKS OREGON
    8: R6P15 WR FELTON DAVIS MICHIGAN STATE
    9: R7P20 LB GERRI GREEN MISS. STATE

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      Great picks Rock, but how did you get 2 2nds and 2 thirds?
      We don’t have those.
      Are those little trade-downs? Wishful thinking?

  19. Rockphin says:

    I think the front office should be considering every trade down offer they get to load up on more picks. besides we should get used to drafting at the bottom of rounds like perennial winners always have to 😉

  20. pheloniusphish says:

    Don’t know why anyone would be worried about the Biplanes trying to buy a winning season. First, it’s not baezball – you can’t buy a championship. Second, they have Jethro Bodine for a QB and Miami’s entire losing coaching staff. And third, it’s still the Jets – they can and will fuck up anything.

  21. pheloniusphish says:

    The James signing should be worth a 3rd round comp next year. Miami is obviously not spending on FA this year. I would say that the new coaches, having schemed successfully against James twice a year, decided he was replaceable. Now if we can trade Jones for a 3rd this year….

  22. dcoralsprings says:

    I get that rebuilds can be painful,,,,

    Just made me a bit nervous when I read that this morning

  23. Mike E. says:

    This is what I meant about being behind the curve. The Jets aren’t doing anything wrong, they’re just a year or two ahead of us. Not that we will go on a spending spree, but we probably will once we clear out our cap space. Right now we need to just sit tight and deal with it. What other teams do have no effect on our plan.

  24. You sit back and watch all the other teams signing the high priced guys and then you sign the guys with something to prove.

  25. ocalarob says:

    have to pay howard and tunsil next year plus we get a 3rd, maybe that’s why they let james walk

  26. Mike E. says:

    The Jets are signing good players, no question. C.J. Mosely and Barr are very good players, and they’re young, so it’s not like they’re signing over the hill players. They’re doing it right, we should be doing similar things next season or the following season. Maybe we won’t sign as many top free agents, but once you open the cap money and are flush with space, you have to spend some, that’s how it works. Right now we’re clearly the worst team in our division.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      We’re not the worst team until the games are played. And as for Barr, there must be a reason why Minnesota is letting their 2014 top ten pick walk.

    • ocalarob says:

      i think we’re pretty much done with top shelf FAs for the most part. isn’t that what we’ve been doing in the past? it hasn’t worked very well,
      like Pro Lou said get guys with something to prove.

  27. ocalarob says:

    if they’re going to cut ties with Tanny it seems they will do it soon, no reason to wait until post june 1, re-coupe 13 mil in cap space this year and get the other 13 mil off the books this year.

    it’s amazing some of the great players that were chosen in the latter rounds that are getting paid now, this goes to show that mid to late round selections are very important.

  28. ocalarob says:

    wasn’t foles a 3rd rounder the same year we took tanny at 8?

  29. The Flying Pig says:

    Upset about losing James
    We didn’t need another hole on the OL
    But at least we will get a good comp next year

  30. The Flying Pig says:

    Even without an OT
    I’m still focusing on DL/edge in the Qst unless a certain QB falls to us

  31. pheloniusphish says:

    How many times last year did you ask yourself “Who is playing on the OL for the Patriots?” Name them without looking. That’s where Miami needs to get…the place where players no one knows excel. And when their heads get big or some other team wants to pay them to much, they let them walk or trade them, replace them with another unknown and get a great comp pick.

  32. Mike E. says:

    Phelon – I think we wanted to keep James, I also think we wanted Trey Flowers too, but we don’t have the money, and I also believe we don’t want to be the top spenders anyway. Thing is, even if they wanted to go a little higher for either James or Flowers we didn’t have the cap space to do it.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      I think they would have been happy to keep James, but were not paying a premium price. James is a good RT, but not exceptional. Flowers I’m not so sure about. That was more media speculation than anything.

      • Mike E. says:

        I agree with that, but my point is even if we wanted to pay them we couldn’t. That’s what rebuilding is, clearing that wasted cap players and making room. Like you said or Rob said, we also have our own guys to pay.

  33. Mike E. says:

    I also think Gase sucked ass while he was here, but he probably learned from his mistakes. Also giving him Gregg Williams to run the defense and also taking away his control over the roster will help him because he fucked that up while he was here. The Jets will be a better team than us this season, but that’s OK. One step back, two steps forward.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I doubt he learned from his mistakes

      He showed himself to be pretty stubborn

      And he hired Dowell Loggains to hold his clip board again
      What does that tell you?

      • Mike E. says:

        It tells me that he thinks he can handle the offensive side of the ball by himself. We’ll find out if he’s right. Maybe he had too much on his plate here. Even though it sure looked like he didn’t pay attention to the D, he might have done more than we thought.

  34. naplesfan2010 says:

    Dwayne Allen’s signing makes sense for several reasons. (from dolphins.com)

    At 29 years old, he is a veteran with undeniable leadership qualities. This will help a team that figures to get younger in a hurry.
    This coaching staff knows what it’s getting. Allen has been with the Patriots the past two seasons. Brian Flores and the assistants he has brought here with him have a detailed knowledge and trust in Allen’s abilities on and off the field. They have seen him operate. They have watched how he handles the most pressurized situations. For them to seek him out, and do it with such decisiveness, says plenty about what Allen could mean to this team.
    Finally, the player. Allen is an excellent blocker, a physical presence at 6-foot-3, 265 pounds and an important part of the Patriots Super Bowl winning team last season, starting seven games and playing in 13. He is also versatile enough to play some in an H-back role. His resume? He won the Mackey Award as the nation’s top tight end in college at Clemson. (smile)

    • stangerx says:

      For sure they know him, but seems Gase partied with pretty much everyone he brought in too. Same time — seems we will be going two 2 TEs a bunch next year, especially at his price. Might mean more running game as well.

  35. stangerx says:

    Sorry to see Frank Gore go, especially to the Bills. Loved that guy’s fire and the way he goes about the game….. but that probably explains why he wasn’t willing to hang them up yet even if not doing so came with playing in Buffalo and probably for not all that much (for an NFL RB at least).

  36. stangerx says:

    And as to James — never saw that same fire. Guess tape watchers appreciated him more than me — how else do you get $14 mil a year? Same time was never a favorite, even if yes know the OL has a big ‘ol hole on it now. Another sign we are going serious rebuild.

  37. stangerx says:

    “The New Orleans Saints are expected to re-sign Bridgewater, who had a bigger proposed deal from the Miami Dolphins, NFL Network’s Jane Slater reports, via a source informed of the situation.”

    Sounds like waiting for Brees to retire was more attractive than more money and being a starter for the Phins. Long as it came with him knowing 40-year-old is out in a year or two, can’t say doesn’t make sense.

    • Mike E. says:

      If that’s the case I’m glad he didn’t sign here. What QB worth his salt wouldn’t want to start?

      • stangerx says:

        To me depends on whether he knows if will take over when Brees is gone and when that will be. Some guy’s go their whole career hoping to be on a ring caliber team. Saints are that now.

      • Mike E. says:

        Stanger – He’s 27 and if he came here he’d have a very legitimate chance to be the starter here. I don’t care what he does, but that’s not a competitor right there.

      • stangerx says:

        Get exactly what you mean, but same time understand is more than just a game for these guys. Is a career. And replacing Brees or Brady would be a great career move for any QB.

  38. naplesfan2010 says:

    haate to lose Gore and James, but both moves make sense.
    I was trying to re-sign James for a tad under $12M, but he got too much for us to keep.
    I like the 2 RTs mentioned above, because except for the other Jawann from UF, it’s a weak OT class.

  39. naplesfan2010 says:

    FIne w/ losing Bridgewater. Think Tyrod is more exciting and that’s all we need right now.
    I think Teddy appears still a little protective of that injured leg.

    I wish we would trade Tannehill to Philly for a 2nd (ok 5th LOL).
    They need a back-up like Foles who they know will play some, because Wentz can’t stay on the field.

    • stangerx says:

      If report is right Dolphins tried for him though. But maybe it came with as bi a “what if” for him cause we might draft one as did with when Brees retires.

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        I’m sure they did, as he’s a viable bridge guy (pardon the pun), and maybe they see Tyrod as too erratic / dramatic when they need to calm the F down after Gase’s “anybody might play QB” backyard scramble drills.

  40. Mike E. says:

    It’s possible they try and run with Jesse Davis at RT. Like you said, no one knows the name of the Patriots O-line. I have a feeling we won’t be going O-line 1st pick

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      They also like Sterup the big guy, but maybe he’s just a back-up.
      We could get a quality guard in the 3rd and move Jesse out to RT like you said. He might flourish out there in space. Jesse was never a road grader like you need a RG to be anyway.

      Asiata @ RG anyone?

  41. naplesfan2010 says:

    I don’t think Buff is going to work out well for Gore, and he is not going to help them like he did us.
    I don’t think his style is complementary to eith Josh Allen or LeSean, and he’s the same back as Ivory only even older (and much better of course).
    While Allen is assing off back there, Gore will just be wasted. And why put him in for LeSean? What situations would call for that? 3rd and 1-3? More waste.

    I think Gore will get <500 yds and retire,
    but it's fine for him to add to his records and maybe pass one more guy.

  42. naplesfan2010 says:

    You would think a smart guy like Gase was said to be (although I never saw it on the field or heard it in his remarks) would learn from the Ajayi fiasco, but he repeated it almost verbatim with Phillips and in other cases as well.

    Also that “dedication to task” thing about Gase is fine, but not to the degreee that you don’t even notice your OL coach snortin’ blow down the hall and your DC watching the World Series instead of game-planning for Sunday.

    As Piggy says, stubbornness is a character flaw, not a learning curve item. If Gase just didn’t know what to run against a certain D set the first time he saw it, that could be learned, but …

  43. D says:

    I realise we shouldnt worry about any other moves, but ill be honest here, when i see the moves the Jets are making it concerns me lol. CJ Mosely, probably Leveon Bell, Anthony Barr…..damn.

  44. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    March 12, 2019 at 11:07 am

    If that’s the case I’m glad he didn’t sign here. What QB worth his salt wouldn’t want to start?
    ————————————–
    Easiest money in all of NFL football. Stand on the sidelines, hold a clipboard, not take any punishment, everyone loves you, and you stand by and make millions.

    • Mike E. says:

      I get that, but that’s looking at it like it’s a job. Most of these guys want a chance to start because they want to win, compete, not hold a clipboard.

  45. D says:

    With Gore leaving, i wouldn’t mind taking Benny Snell if he makes it to our 3rd round pick. I could see RB becoming a more likely selection now, for sure.

  46. mf13ss says:

    Tom Pelissero
    @TomPelissero
    The #Dolphins are closing in on a new two-year contract with WR DeVante Parker, per league source. Chance for former first-round pick to capitalize on high potential with a new regime.
    12:23 PM · Mar 12, 2019 · TweetDeck

    • CavalierKong says:

      Excellent! Now just get Tanny to sign a restructured deal in the neighborhood of 10 years/200 mil, and we’ll be able to sit back and say we won FA.

      (Son starts looking for a gun big enough to take down a 100 ft ape.)

      • CavalierKong says:

        Seriously though, I’m ok with resigning Parker as long as we got him cheap, around 8 or 9 dollars a season should be about right.

    • BailBondMike says:

      Sign and trade? Or does this staff thing they can turn him into something? Will be interesting.

    • stangerx says:

      Just 2 years though. Not exactly what he was hoping for, but maybe he is being realistic…. including that bust it like should have before to earn the big pay day.

  47. naplesfan2010 says:

    Parker’s potential and athleticism and skills and measurables are so seductive …
    sigh
    He sux tho.

  48. pheloniusphish says:

    Maybe they can trade Stills.

  49. naplesfan2010 says:

    Parker should be paid for production only, like
    $100K / TD +
    $25K / catch +
    $1000 / yd of reception +
    $100K / game not inactive due to injury
    =
    For 2018
    $2.1M= $100K + $600K + $309K +$1.1M
    so no more than $3M per yr to includde money for practices etc.

  50. Mike E. says:

    I guess they didn’t want to give him the $9.4M, couldn’t find a trade partner, so they figured rather than letting him walk, they signed him for a relatively inexpensive 2 year deal where he hopefully finally shows up

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Or now maybe they can trade him. Very reasonable contract.

      • Mike E. says:

        I don’t think so Phelon. If the contract was the holdup, the two sides would have presented that option. I just don’t think anyone really wanted to trade for him, he hasn’t done anything in 2 years

      • stangerx says:

        With Mike E on this one. For the simple reason that you don’t sign a guy and trade unless the other side knows what is going on. Call it morals or simply not being that team cause know such gets around.

  51. naplesfan2010 says:

    or if he maxes out his potential
    $1M + $2.5 + $1.2M + $1.6M = $6.1M, so say $6.9M to include practicing
    for
    10TDs + 100 catches + 1200 yds + all 16 games
    (and if he isn’t hurt for Spring Practice and Trainng camp again)

    which would be somewhat underpaid,

    but he owes us.

    • stangerx says:

      Even if was market, seems he paid some back with that low contract. Never been a doubt the physical talent was there.

  52. naplesfan2010 says:

    For his 65-game career, he has given us
    54 games played in but only 31 startred (for a first rounder) (fewer than half)
    just 163 receptions (41 / yr)
    2217 yds (for a respectable 13.6 ypc)
    and only 9 TDs in 4 yrs.

    He’s caught about 58% of his targets.

  53. D says:

    If they extend him and get his cap hit down and get something out of him, im fine with keeping him. He is just one of those players that we keep saying the same thing every year, “Maybe this is the year”. Im tired of those players. If we have one that we have to say that more than 3 times, fuck em, move on.

  54. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    March 12, 2019 at 12:32 pm

    I get that, but that’s looking at it like it’s a job. Most of these guys want a chance to start because they want to win, compete, not hold a clipboard.
    —————————————-
    Wasnt really disagreeing with you, was pretty much agreeing with you i just did it in a obtuse kind of way. Was pointing out exactly what you replied, its a business decision, and not jumping at the opportunity to play. It could be he just really likes the organization, but a player with passion to play wants to have a chance to start. Now its possible that in the negotiations he asked if he would be brought in to start or to be a bridge, and if the Phins are planning on taking a QB in this draft or not, and he might not have liked their answer too. There are a lot of what if’s but end of the day, he didnt take the opportunity to be a starter and i think in some ways that does not speak well of him.

    • Mike E. says:

      Gotcha – It is possible that they couldn’t give him any assurances that they won’t be drafting a QB, but usually you just bet on yourself, unless you’re more comfortable collecting the easy money

  55. D says:

    I will have to say i think that Tyrod has always shown he does exemplify the ideals that Flores is supposedly looking for. The guy is a competitor and he is a tough dude.

  56. Mike E. says:

    Kong – Yeah, M will be relieved that he doesn’t have to watch Barr on the Jets

  57. D says:

    Yay, Barr back to the Vikes.

  58. Mike E. says:

    Jets will probably look at Jamie Collins

  59. D says:

    Im iffy on the Parker thing, mean in some ways i would have rather had picked up Donte Moncrief in FA than re-signed Parker. Just depends n the deal we have with Parker.

  60. D says:

    Cole Beasley to the Bills. That guy has sticky fingers, thats a good pickup for them with a 2nd year QB.

  61. D says:

    Other peeps in our division as definitely loading up.

    • Mike E. says:

      We’re going to have to be patient. We’re gonna get have a rough year.

      • there’s any number of ways to look at it. signing high priced free agents doesn’t guarantee anything. BUF had a 9-7 record in McDermott’s first yr and went 6-10 last year.

        none of these signings mean anything until proven otherwise. I’m loving the fact that we’re just sitting back and watching all these teams back up the Brinks trucks to sign these players and we’re not spending large sums on any of them. Grier said he’d rather had three or four players than just one and I agree.

        We signed Suh to that huge deal and it didn’t help us. We need players, not player.

    • D says:

      Yeah i know im not fretting over it, but its definitely going to be a rough year lol.

  62. D says:

    We did not tender Hull so he is and UFA now

  63. D says:

    Also sounds like we may not have been offering starter or even potential starter money to Bridgewater. Might have been lower than the deal he took to go back to the Saints.

  64. ocalarob says:

    Look for Tyrod Taylor to become the next fins starter

  65. Mike E. says:

    I don’t think the Dolphins are picking up a QB until the Rosen situation shakes out

    • D says:

      I think you are right, i think we are a lot more interested in him than a lot here want to believe we are. He makes a lot of sense for us because getting him even opens up our draft even more and makes waiting for the 2020 class more logical. They need a THIS year plan, despite potentially wanting one of the 2020 guys. Rosend keeps us from using a 1st to get a THIS year option.

    • and the longer they wait the better the situation will be for them. If ARI really wants Murray and is willing to trade Rosen, our patience could pay off.

  66. D says:

    There are a lot of flashy names we aren’t hearing anything about right now. I think deadline day is going to be a pretty crazy one.

  67. ocalarob says:

    Rosen would be a great choice due to his contract but i think teams will be standing in line for his services not just to be a starter but to be a back-up, and that probably would get at least a 2nd rnder, not sure if we would go that high.

    • Rosen is a first round talent at qb. If ARI decides to trade him, he’s going to a team who wants a starter and nobody is giving up a 2nd for him to be their backup.

      • ocalarob says:

        his potential and the fact that he signed a 17mil contract with the cards and the cards are on the hook for 10 mil of that if he’s traded; means the team that lands him will pay a paltry 7 mil over 3 years!
        they may get a 2nd and a 5th regardless of where he goes,

  68. ocalarob says:

    Taylor doesn’t require a draft pick and do we really expect to compete next year?

    • D says:

      I dont look at Rosen as attempting to compete. I look at Rosen as adding a QB who has stating capability, who is young, has 3 years left on a rookie deal, and can be obtained for lest than a 1st round pick, despite having a first round pedigree.

  69. Mike E. says:

    I think it’s good that Rosen will be available. If the Dolphins don’t get him, if a team in front of them gets him, Haskins may fall closer to us, or even to us

    • stangerx says:

      Rosen is my top of my wish list right now. And seems the number of teams who need a QB keeps getting smaller every week.

  70. I think Rosen would give us just as much ability to compete as any team has with any other qb from the past two years.

  71. stangerx says:

    Tyrod, Bortles, Rosen, stick with Tanny or name your draft choice. Anyone else on the Island in Survivor — Dolphins starting QB?

    • If we could get Rosen for just one pick then I’m all in on him because any other qb is probably going to cost us at least 3 if we want him.

      Rosen is just as good a bet as any one of those others taken in the first the past 2 yrs and gives us our franchise qb situation taken care of. In addition, his upside looks like it’s a decent amount higher than what we’ve currently got at qb right now.

      So, I don’t care if it’s a 2nd for him or even a 1st because we would then have our guy. Unless we were definitely sure Haskins could be there for us at #13 or could get close enough to us to not cost a lot to trade up I’d go for a trade and be done with it.

    • D says:

      There are 3 draft QB’s i would want more than trading for Rosen, but i do not feel we will have access to them. They will go before we pick i feel. Rosen offers us more of a guarantee to get him and for a second he would be better than anyone we could hope would be there in the second when we pick. A third is a no brainer.

      I do have some second and third round guys i wouldnt mind taking a chance on if for some reason we dont go for Rose or take a QB in the first, guys like Stidham, Jackson, Taamu, etc. They are 2-4th guys id be ok with, but i would feel that pressured us to go big in 2020 probably with a trade up. Trade up is also something i want to avoid not just this year but next year too.

      Im not interested in any of the FA QB’s long term, i could live with Tyrod as a stop gap but a stop gap to me is just delaying what needs to start as soon as we can. We need to get out guy instead of waiting for the perpetual best thing next year so we can get started coaching him and building out team around him. 5 years is gonna be gone by very soon, we dont have time to keep playing the next year game.

  72. D says:

    ocalarob says:
    March 12, 2019 at 5:20 pm

    So it’s safe to say that you would give up our 2nd rnder for him then?
    ——————————————–
    I would, i mean id push hard for it to be a third but id conceded and offer a second if i had to to get the deal done. Id walk away from the table if it was a 1st or no deal.

  73. Phindog says:

    NOTSportsCenter @NOTSportsCenter

    Le’Veon Bell, negotiating with the Jets

    -Jets: 20 million
    -Bell: Higher
    -Jets: 50 million
    -Bell: Higher
    -Jets: 100 million
    -Bell: Higher
    -Jets: 200 million
    -Bell: Higher
    -Jets: Eleventy billion
    -Bell: Higher
    -Jets: That’s not a real number
    -Bell: You aren’t a real NFL team
    1,864
    2:20 PM – Mar 12, 2019

    HA HA !!

  74. Mike E. says:

    We’ve used 2nd RD picks on Pat White, Chad Henne and John Beck, and Josh Rosen is a much better prospect than any of those

  75. Mike E. says:

    Lou – I don’t know about having to surrender multiple picks to get Haskins. It really depends on who gets Rosen right now. If it’s the Giants, we might have clear sailing for Haskins

    • ocalarob says:

      I find it hard to believe that the Giants would take Haskins, they have Manning…Beckham and Barkley, they were a high scoring team, scored more than anyone in their division, why use that resource on a QB that wont play?
      I think it’s a smoke screen, the Giants have other needs than QB.

  76. Mike E. says:

    Rob – I have no idea if the Giants are taking a QB, but they passed last year to get Barley, they won’t have that issue this year at #6. There will be a very good player there, but probably not a generational talent. Eli is just about done in NY. It’s got to be better than 60/40 that they do take a QB

  77. ElephantRider says:

    SMH…

  78. son of a son of a shula says:

    Mike, not to mention the two number twos for Feeley, ugg

  79. mf13ss says:

    Cav Kong and Mike E,

    YES!!! I’m absolutely thrilled that Ant Barr gave the stej the shaft!!! 😀

  80. mf13ss says:

  81. son of a son of a shula says:

    When is the Josh Dobbs deal gonna go down? I’m getting antsy.

  82. son of a son of a shula says:

    Freaking Browns man, the GM even though he had so much to work with has done a nice job they’re going to be tough and built for the long haul.

  83. son of a son of a shula says:

    Maybe Bell is waiting for us to clear space tomorrow then he can be the next one to give the🖕to the stej. Maybe Peter King had it right…

    • Mike E. says:

      I can’t imagine why we would spend mega-money on Bell. That would blow me out of the water if that happened. I would feel like any handle I had on what we were trying to accomplish just got blown up.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        To me there’s nothing wrong with getting the best talent available. Won’t cost any picks. We get a competent QB and go compete.

      • Mike E. says:

        I think it would be a terrible investment for us. There are much more important places to use that money, DL, OL, QB

  84. son of a son of a shula says:

    We averaged like 15 points a game last year – we could use Bell

  85. mf13ss says:

    —————–
    Glad Cordarrelle is out of New England. He’s got a ring.

  86. mf13ss says:

  87. Tim Knight says:

    So I see we gave Parker a new prove it contract and didn’t make any outrageous signings. The Jets got snubbed by Anthony Barr which I’m sure made M13 happy. LOL

  88. stangerx says:

    She’s charged with a felony or two. Can’t believe it cause at one point wanted to marry her….. hot as she is a poster wouldn’t have seen right.

  89. Tim Knight says:

    Like Trey Flowers as a player but geez these contracts being given out are absurd. Glad we’re staying out of it.

    • Mike E. says:

      We’ll be in it at some point, maybe a couple of years down the line. Not to say we’ll be making crazy signings, but if we’re competitive and we have the space, it could happen.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I hope we draft really well so we don’t have to do what many of these teams are doing. Add one here and there but a lot of teams are going to be sorry they gave out some of these contracts.

  90. Rockphin says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    March 12, 2019 at 10:56 am
    Great picks Rock, but how did you get 2 2nds and 2 thirds?
    We don’t have those.
    Are those little trade-downs? Wishful thinking?

    Two trade downs.

    I moved from 13 to 22 or the r2p23 and then from r2p13 to r2p21 for the extra 3rd

  91. Mike Garafolo

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    BREAKING: The #Browns have traded for #Giants WR Odell Beckham, sources say. The deal is done. I am not joking.

  92. So, how difficult do you think it is sitting in Miami watching all this stuff going down and the only thing you’ve done so far is sign a TE and one of your own wr’s to a prove it deal

  93. son of a son of a shula says:

    Baker – schwing!

  94. son of a son of a shula says:

    Reunited and it feels so good

    Jarvis and Odell

  95. NFL Draft Diamonds

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    Giants recieve a first-round pick in 2019 (No. 17 overall), the Browns’ second third-round pick this year and S Jabril Peppers, Browns get Odell Beckham Jr.

  96. Ken says:

    Beckham and Landry playin’ grabass together again

  97. Adam Schefter

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    Former Dolphins’ DE Cameron Wake intends to sign a three-year, $23 million deal that includes $10 million guaranteed with the Tennessee Titans, per source.

    Titans upgrading both lines and Wake playing younger than his 37 years.

  98. Rockphin says:

    Mike E. says:
    March 12, 2019 at 9:59 am
    I also think Gase sucked ass …….but that’s OK. One step back, two steps forward.

    Reply

  99. D says:

    I think the trade for Beckham almost guarantees that the Giants will pick a quarterback at 6

  100. CavalierKong says:

    Thanks for the years of professionalism Mr. Wake. Sorry we couldn’t have given you more in the way of team success in return.

    • D says:

      I knew we would see it at some point this offseason and it is sad but he’ll always be a dolphin

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yep, writing was on the wall. I’ll be rooting for Tenn this year just to see him get a chance at a playoff win. Definitely a Fin for life.

  101. Ken says:

    Well the Giants did a little bit better than a 4th rounder for their best WR

  102. mf13ss says:

    DAMMIT (regarding MR. Wake)… 😡

  103. Ken says:

    I am just glad Wake didn’t go to the Patriots or the Jets

    • CavalierKong says:

      Me too. It took me a couple years to forgive Taylor when he made that move to the Jest. I bet Wake would never even consider signing with either of those teams. – (Kong is just projecting, no actual evidence of that one way or another, lol)

  104. son of a son of a shula says:

    Look at the talent we feed to the league it makes me sick

    Trade up to 4 with good ‘ol Mike Mayock and get Haskins the hell in here

  105. Mike E. says:

    Stanger – Who was that chick and what happened?

    • CavalierKong says:

      I knew her from the movie Secret Admirer, but she was also on Full House. A bunch of celebs and rich people just got busted on bribery charges, allegedly paying to get their kids into prestigious schools, and she was one of them.

    • D says:

      She was in full house too she was uncle Jesse’s GF then wife

    • stangerx says:

      You had to have had a crush on Lori Loughlin. Came in the news today for buying her daughter’s way into USC.

  106. son of a son of a shula says:

    Laurie Loughlin. Her and Felicity Huffman indicted in college admissions scam

  107. mf13ss says:

    —————
    Very good deal for MR. Wake, and I realize he wouldn’t get that here.
    BEST of luck to MR. WAKE!
    #Phin4Life

  108. D says:

    There isn’t a QB that given our circumstances I would trade up for. I think several are first round prospects but I’d rather let fate bring one to us at 13. I think there is probably a 30ish percent chance it could happen.

  109. mf13ss says:

  110. pheloniusphish says:

    Know who else is quiet in FA? The Patriots.

  111. D says:

    One thing that really upsets me about wake leaving is he is going to get number 100 in a different jersey 😦

  112. Ken says:

    Totally agree with D above about not trading up for a QB this year

  113. D says:

    Son ya need to get started on that application process to become a Panthers fan lol

  114. son of a son of a shula says:

    Look at the Browns – get your QB and then go for it. We’re have good cap space next year. Can’t get a dud though so get Haskins.

  115. The Flying Pig says:

    Wil we get a comp pick for Wake as well?

  116. mf13ss says:

  117. Rockphin says:

    I didn’t want Rosen last year. He wasn’t most of your guys choice either. I don’t understand your fascination now.

  118. mf13ss says:

    ————-
    😮

  119. pheloniusphish says:

    Piggy – Wake’s contract should be good for a 4th or 5th comp pick.

  120. mf13ss says:

    From where I’m sitting, John Dorsey is about to become the next ROCKSTAR GM. He was solid in Green Bay as an assistant, he killed it in Kansas City, and now he’s killing it in Cleveland.

  121. D says:

    Maybe a 5th, depends on the other moves we make

  122. mf13ss says:

    ——————-
    Not going to happen anytime soon with OBJ and Jarvis sharing targets! 😀

  123. mf13ss says:

  124. So, the Browns went out and spent all that money of free agents and are still rumored to not be finished but there’s still one problem. Their head coach is Zac Taylor.

  125. stangerx says:

    3 years for $23 million with $10 million guaranteed at 37 means all that taking care of his body really paid off for Wake.

  126. mf13ss says:

  127. CavalierKong says:

    Browns will be an interesting team to watch this year.

  128. naplesfan2010 says:

    At least Wake got $10M guaranteed and a contract through his 40th birthday, if it he makes it to the end.

    Bravo Cam Wake and thanks for all the exciting moments through the years.

    I’ll never forget the walk-off safety on Hallowe’en.
    (Am I remembering that correctly?)(against Cincy?)

  129. naplesfan2010 says:

    Here’s hoping the Browns rip the Ravens, destroy the Steelers, and coast past the Bengals.

  130. naplesfan2010 says:

    Just got back from a great movie.
    “The Commitments.”
    Awesome music featuring my all-time favorite dance song, “Mustang Sally.”

    It’s about a band whose mission is to save Soul music. Pretty funny.

  131. The Flying Pig says:

    Son

    What’s the story with a Tannehill still on the roster?

    (Piggy ducks)

  132. Rockphin says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    March 12, 2019 at 8:52 pm

    Wil we get a comp pick for Wake as well?
    Reply

    I’m not sure. There is some kind of formula that determines it….or that’s what they say

  133. A lot of things being said about OBJ and Jarvis back together and how the Browns are doing in FA but the Giants got the better end of the deal on that trade. A first, a 3rd and Peppers? I’d take it. No one player is worth that much. Dorsey didn’t do great with that one.

  134. Rockphin says:

    mf13ss says:
    March 12, 2019 at 9:05 pm

    From where I’m sitting, John Dorsey is about to become the next ROCKSTAR GM.

    I screamed from the hills that he was my guy back in the day. Him and Pete Carmichael Jr. as HC were my tandem I pushed and pushed.

    • I’ll take what we got. We got it right this time. When everyone sees what we become there will be no more “We should have signed this player” or “that’s the head coach I wanted”.

      We’re on the right track and we’re going to be the next dynasty.

  135. Rockphin says:

    So sad to see Wake go!

  136. naplesfan2010 says:

    It seems like everybody’s busy in FA, but they’ll be in cap space hell at some point soon.
    Plus they will be getting guys who just got paid, aka demotivated.

    seems like I’m showing sour grapes, but I’ve been there, seen that. (and all of you as well)
    I mean the Dolphins have been “Winners of FA” a bunch of times in recent years.
    Best it got us was 10-6 once.

    Let’s squint and hunch our shoulders and scowl our way through this as tough as we can.
    Persevere. Stay the course. Build it the right way.
    We have a solid young core. Draft right and coach up the pups.

    Or sign LeVeon and Aaron rodgers and win it all this year.

    • exactly. we’ve gone that way before and it meant nothing. just draft right, coach right and let everyone else sign overpriced free agents who feel like they’ve arrived.

      the Browns look like the big winners right now but they’ve got some guys who are really a lot more interested in how pretty they look and their own personal stats than they are about anything else. if they’re making the money, putting up the stats and going to the Pro Bowl they can care less about their team winning it all because it’s all about #1.

  137. The Flying Pig says:

    Are we resigning Parker?

  138. Randy says:

    Lots of people didn’t think Baker was a first round pick or felt he was the 4-5th best QB prospect last year. QBs are just difficult to read. All this blather about who’s good this year doesn’t mean much either. Let them play, and we’ll find out how good they are. Remember when that’s how things worked? Lol

  139. Tim Knight says:

    The Browns are going for it and their division is there for the taking. They’ve been so bad for so long. I’m happy they get a chance to compete. Them losing the way they have wasn’t good for the league – 11 wins in the last 4 seasons. 3-13, 1-15, 0-16, 7-8-1. That’s the state and city where modern football was born – Paul Brown. That fanbase has been screwed for years. They deserve a revival.

  140. son of a son of a shula says:

    Billy Turner to the Packers

  141. naplesfan2010 says:

    Quite frankly, and I know they are friends and all, but can OBJ and Landry play together well?

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      I don’t see why not. Slot and wide out.

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        Landry hated the slot label here, says it’s main reason he left.
        Wants to prove he can go deep.

        Can a mere Kitchens manage alll that ego?
        Sure hope it doesn’t go the way of the Owens and ocho sideshow at Cincy.

  142. Tim Knight says:

    Good for Wake. I don’t understand 3 years but I’m not doubting him until he does.

  143. mf13ss says:

    Quick trivia question…

    Anybody know who the LSU OC was when OBJ and Jarvis played together in college?

  144. naplesfan2010 says:

    Can we get a 5th from Philly for Tannehill?
    Or is everyone just waiting for us to cut him so they can get him free?

  145. Tim Knight says:

    M13, Cam Cameron was fired from LSU in 2016. I can’t find anything that he’s still coaching.

    • mf13ss says:

      Ah, $#!t… I’m going to need to page Mike E for some glasses: you ARE correct, man. And so with that stated, I think he hasn’t stepped back into the game due to his cancer scare.

      Thank you for the correction, sir.

  146. Tim Knight says:

    To move on from Tannehill we don’t have to get draft compensation for him. He was a 2012 draft pick. Just move on. It’s time for everyone.

  147. mf13ss says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    March 12, 2019 at 10:32 pm
    Can we get a 5th from Philly for Tannehill?
    Or is everyone just waiting for us to cut him so they can get him free?
    ——————
    I’m pretty sure our FO screwed up by announcing that Tannehill won’t be back. Thus, every is waiting for us to cut him. In terms of a 5th from Philly for him? That sounds about right to me.

    But unfortunately, I don’t think any team wants to take on Tanny’s current contract via a trade. Look for us to cut him.

  148. ElephantRider says:

    I could have done what Dorsey was set up to do. No big deal…kid in a candy store

  149. Tim Knight says:

    I’ll say this about Devante. The new coaching staff said; damn man, what’s going on? 6-3 215 4.5 speed, can high point the ball and make big plays. When you’re healthy!!! The team is taking a shot on a talented young player one more time. If he fails he’s gone. If we pay him his bonuses that means he reached his incentives. It’s good for both sides.

    No particular order:
    Parker
    Wilson
    Stills
    Grant

    That’s a lot of big play ability. The sad fact is two of them went down for the year and the other one always has a nagging injury. But the talent is there.

    Then get the TEs and RBs involved in the passing game.

    This is going to be a strange season not knowing what to expect. But we have too much young talent to “tank”. Then add some FA and a draft to that. This team needs to build the trenches and find a QB. Lots of other pieces are in place. 2020 will be more exciting than 2019.

  150. ElephantRider says:

    Baker was my choice of the big 4 last year.

    But I think I’ll wait and watch the implosion if they dont win this year. Gonna be a lot of pouting on that team

    • ElephantRider says:

      But to answer your question Son. It would all have depended on what trade down scenarios came in. But Baker was my top choice.
      Point is Dorsey isnt doing anything special. He was given a golden ticket to the draft and almost an entire salary cap.

  151. New Age says:

    Honestly, I would have drafted Baker #1.He had everything a top pick needs(except for a couple inches). In the modern NFL, That doesn’t mean much. today.

    1. Four year starter at two different programs.
    2. Walked on and beat higher touted QBs.
    3. Beat some of the top teams in college.
    4. Had different skill players every year and OU still got better every year.
    5. Led his team back into a top program.
    6. Made his teammates better
    7. Best looking resume that year, Every other QB disappointed in some way or another on the field. Baker excelled.

  152. The Flying Pig says:

    Uh oh

  153. ocalarob says:

    son of a son of a shula says:
    March 12, 2019 at 7:07 pm
    Maybe Bell is waiting for us to clear space tomorrow then he can be the next one to give the🖕to the stej. Maybe Peter King had it right…
    _____________________________________________

    No way on Bell,
    the lack of presence in FA by the Dolphins speaks volumes of their plan, they are building thru the draft, besides RBs are a dime a dozen, Ballage may be better than Bell.

    allocating that kind of money to the running back position IMO would not be a smart thing to do at this point. there are plenty of leveon bells in the draft for cheap.

  154. ocalarob says:

    In recent years Miami has always been the most active in FAcy, they have landed top shelf FAs, it’s good to see this team going in a different direction, stay away from top shelf guys, once they are paid they have no incentive, down the road when we can compete with our younger guys then you may wisely sprinkle in some high character FAs.

  155. ocalarob says:

    I would like to see us keep Brandon Bolden, has he been signed by another team?

  156. ocalarob says:

    Does anyone know/like Eric Rowe CB, which the Dolphins seem ready to sign, can he play opposite Howard?

  157. ocalarob says:

    how long will miami carry Tannehills huge cap hit of 26 mil….will he be released today???

  158. ocalarob says:

    I still don’t think Rosen is in our future, at this time in miamis current situation you dont give up 2nd and 3rd round picks for a suspect QB on another team. you start building in the trenches and giving up early picks does not promote that philosophy.
    Tyrod Taylor seems to be the best option at this point.

  159. ocalarob says:

    wow OBJ to cleve for their 17th pick, I guess that will make Jarvis Landry happy

  160. ocalarob says:

    Wake to the Titans

  161. son of a son of a shula says:

    Bell to stej
    4 yr 52 mill

    So take a year off cause 14 million wasn’t enough then sign for 13. I dunno.

    • ocalarob says:

      I think it has to do more with the 35 mil guaranteed money than his yearly salary, if he played last year for 14 mil and blew out his knee he laves 20 mil on the table.

      funny thing Gase’s RB move in Miami dumping Ajayi was probably the reason he’s no longer here, and now that move getting Bell may shorten his career in NY.

      i think a lot of bells success had to do with the great people around him in pittsburgh such as ben and brown, not sure he will have that luxury in NY

  162. pheloniusphish says:

    They’re going to keep RT one more year to torment Son. Seriously.

  163. pheloniusphish says:

    Why should Miami dump RT this year. They don’t need the cap space, but they do need a QB. May as well keep him one more year. Take another shot at trading him next year.

  164. son of a son of a shula says:

    The key word there Phelon is QB we need a QB that’s not what Tannehill has shown to be.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      By that logic they definitely should keep him. After all, they don’t want to win many games, right?

  165. pheloniusphish says:

    And, if they can get him off his knees long enough, they can trade Stills to Pittsburgh.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Earlier in the week a report said Philly called about him but we weren’t interested in moving him.

    • D says:

      There was a report that Miami listend to the offer but didnt like the compensation, so yeah they lowballed us thinking we might want to do it to clear cap, at least not at the cost of being able to replace the player in the draft.

  166. D says:

    ocalarob says:
    March 13, 2019 at 6:02 am

    Does anyone know/like Eric Rowe CB, which the Dolphins seem ready to sign, can he play opposite Howard?
    —————————————-
    He is a solid player, was a higher round pick a few years back. I remember scouting him for us. A lot of us here liked him at the time.

  167. D says:

    I also want to keep Brandon Bolden. Im sure he wont be expensive, im sur he will fit the offense and im sure we will be maing him an offer. I just am not sure if he wont get a better one elsewhere.

  168. Mike E. says:

    NEW BLOG UP!!!

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