Yeah, Landry had a big game against his former team, but the story of the day for the Browns was their run game. Nick Chubb punished the Dolphins all day long along with a sprinkling from Kareem Hunt. All in all, the Browns offense was just too much for the Dolphins depleted defense. Between Chubb and Hunt they combined for 143 yards rushing on 29 carries good for over 4.9 YPC. Landry caught 2 TD passes and finished with 10 receptions and 148 yards. He was covered by Ryan Lewis, Ken Crawley and Nik Needham. The Browns had the ball for over 35 minutes compared to the Dolphins 24. Honestly, it didn’t even seem that close.
The Dolphins were down 28-0 late in the 1st half but managed to score 17 unanswered points. That was really as close as it got though as the Browns pulled away and won easily 41-24. TE Mike Gesicki caught his first career TD pass, which is really surprising that it’s taken this long, but good for him. DeVante Parker continues to stay on the field and produce, catching 6 passes for 91 yards, although some of them were in garbage time. Allen Hurns also was involved often and was tied for 2nd with 7 targets with Wilson and Gesicki. Wilson managed just 33 yards on 6 catches. No threat of a run game shrinks the space for Wilson to operate and it shows. He just doesn’t have that quick twitch explosiveness and is easily caught up with each time he gets his hands on the ball.
Raekwon McMillan returned and looked slow and ineffective in his return. He was a step slow to the edge a few times and wasn’t tackling well either. Hopefully he will improve as he gets back in game shape. HEY!!! Charles Harris got half a sack today! What a terror off the edge he was today! Van Ginkel made his first appearance and made a real nice ST’s tackle, a one arm sweep that upended the Browns kick returner. I have been very pleased with the play of our young secondary but today was a tough matchup. They were out there a lot and had a tough time with both Jarvis Landry, OBJ and the duo in the backfield Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, all who are receiving threats. We know that most likely these guys will be depth guys next season at best, but as you can see, depth is huge in the NFL because guys get hurt so often. These kids have been working hard and appear to play hard for their coach, so much props to them.
The Dolphins play the Philadelphia Eagles at home next week, a difficult matchup once again. The Eagles are pretty banged up, RB’s Jordan Howard and Darren Sproles are both out but Howard may be able to play by next week, Sproles is on IR. Jay Ajayi signed this week to once again join the Eagles. No doubt he will have a little extra sumpin’ playing his former team, although the guy that ran him out of town is no longer with the tea, (Gase). The Eagles will be desperate for a win to remain in the playoff hunt at 5-6, losing today to the Seahawks in a tough defensive battle 17-9. Miles Sanders will be the guy if Jordan Howard once again can’t go.
Wins and losses don’t really matter all that much in the scheme of things, just playing well and improving are prudent. Sunday there were a lot of penalties, and that didn’t help the Dolphins any. The lack of a run game has been a killer all season as the leagues worst rushing team by quite a margin. The Dolphins average the fewest rush attempts per game at 20 per game and have just 603 yards for a pathetic 3.0 yards per carry. I know our O-line is somewhat makeshift but run blocking is effort and will mostly, so I’d like to see this unit improve in this area. Durham Smythe has been tagged as a plus run blocking TE and I just haven’t seen it. It’s hard to see him all the time, but when I do, he’s not winning. Evan Boehm who has played both C and either G position hasn’t been opening up any space either. Really, no need to focus on any one player, no one on the O-line is getting it done and our dream of FB Chandler Cox being a plow in the run game hasn’t materialized. Truth be told, he’s hardly been used, and when he has, it’s yielded poor results.
KR/WR Jakeem was injured today and was seen in a walking boot. That also takes some sizzle out of the return game which is a shame. This leaves just Marcus Sherels who has been pretty underwhelming. The Dolphins needed that electricity that Grant brings so this one hurts. The Eagles have a physical defense that will challenge the Dolphins next week. The Eagles are a top 10 defense in some categories, such as yards per game at 323. They are midpack giving up an average of 23 points. Their biggest problem is they’re only scoring about 23 PPG, so that’s why they sit under .500. Two seasons ago when Carson Wentz was healthy they were scoring over 28 PPG.
As far as the future this season, things I’d like to see. I love what Fitz has done this season, he’s been a class guy and brings passion and effort each and every game. At some point though, I want to see Josh Rosen again. It could be in 2 or 3 games from now, but I want to see it. I want to see some passion, some fight from him. Does he really want to start, does he want to be the future of this team, or is he content holding the clipboard and collecting paychecks? This is what I’d like to find out. I’d like Flores to talk with Rosen and tell him that’s the plan, but unless he chomps at the bit and shows it he will be holding that effing clipboard or worse get traded again or cut. I know many of you have written Rosen off but I’m not doing that quite yet. He has talent, I want to see him use it. I want him to work his ass off learning the offense and studying how to read defenses and identify what he sees on the field. This is my hope going forward for him. I think it’s clear that mythical pass rusher we’re looking for is not on the roster, but it would be nice for someone to show a little something going into next season.
GO DOLPHINS!!!
#staythecourse
Finsmob Unleashed 
Wyoming, I agree about Fromm. For me, it is all about his arm or lack there of. I was really high on him last year and was stomping my foot. He lost his top 2 targets from last year and has struggled to match what he did last year.
Page turn bitches!
Where do you think our first pick will be?
Stanger — #6
Wyoming85 – #3
Phish –- #2
Kong –- #3
D ——- #4
🐷 – #32
OD — #3
New Age- #3
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I think Minkah’s issue was Future money. Top rated corners get more money than nickel corners who make more money than safeties top safeties make more money than guys with less stats playing linebacker. For him I believe someone was whispering in his ear about stats stats stats equal money
He didn’t want to have to take a beating dropping down into the box on plays where there were no stats to be had
I think it was about that too and said as much when it all went down. But I don’t think he and his camp were right about that. Troy Polamalu lined up in a lot of different ways and he was very successful making pro bowls, all-pro and money.
Stanger — #6
Wyoming85 – #3
Phish –- #2
Kong –- #3
D ——- #4
🐷 – #32
OD — #3
New Age- #3
Rockphin – #5
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Stanger — #6
Wyoming85 – #3
Phish –- #2
Kong –- #3
D ——- #4
🐷 – #32
OD — #3
New Age- #3
Rockphin – #5
Tim Knight – #4
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Guess you better check who you want to bitch slap!
Fuck Minkah that selfish doucher. None of the reasons he wanted out of here were good for the team.
Look man, Mama said……..
I don’t want him on the team if he doesn’t want buy in either but I was just talking about what I think the reasoning was. And as I said I don’t think they were right.
But now in the interview process with prospects our front office is going to need to ask players about being multiple and if they’re good with that. Later round guys won’t be an issue because they’ll do anything to make the team. It’s the top prospects that you have to be sure about.
Fuck no! Steel that mofo and get him on the Dolphins. Fuck Tua wherever he winds up that’s not Miami
What does that clip have to do with pass pro? LOL
Yeah, there’s nothing wrong with a 2nd year player who hasn’t done shit in the NFL wanting to get off the team that drafted him to get better stats somewhere else because he won’t be taking as many difficult physical snaps in the box. Nope, nuthin’ wrong with dat
Nobody is saying there is nothing wrong with it. I brought up Troy Polamalu as an example. He lined up all over the place – in the box, blitzed and dropped deep. They used to say he was like having an extra LB on the field at times.
I’m not knocking on you Tim,. I just can’t stand any excuses made on his behalf. There’s no justifying what he did in my eyes. He had no regard for the team or the coaches, it was ME, ME, ME
No worries! Like I said I don’t want him on my team if he doesn’t want to be here. I’ve moved on from him as a Dolphin because he’s not. LOL
Man it’s a tough crowd today!
All that giving of thanks, must have gave ya’ll the swamp ass? 😉
LOL – I prefer to call it Minkah ass
Wyo – I’m the resident curmudgeon, I need to inject some meanness here
That’s what I’m interested in, the type of players we target because we don’t play a standard defense. We might find guys like that in the mid rounds who fit a role. That’s the Patriots model.
Yep Tim — and cause the Pats pick dudes that might not match up as the every down stud of the world guy at whatever position….. they are looking for what others are not. Draft graders crush them every year, but yet…..
Vince Biegel is the perfect example. He loves his role. Next up Van Ginkel. In 2020 I think we’ll add two more guys like that in FA/Draft but more blue chip. That can change the entire defense.
EFFORT!!!!
Alabama has 2 good tackles this year
Yeah- the one against USC and the one against MSU.. oh, you meant offensive tackles 😋
lol
It’s as if no one wants to play defense today.. the scores in these games are ridiculous.
No one plays defense anymore
D Brown wrecking Alabama!
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 3: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU (A+)
Round 1 Pick 22: Trey Adams, OT, Washington (B)
Round 1 Pick 25: Tyler Biadasz, C, Wisconsin (B+)
Round 2 Pick 3: DAndre Swift, RB, Georgia (A)
Round 2 Pick 29: Prince Tega Wanogho, OT, Auburn (B+)
Round 3 Pick 3: Lavert Hill, CB, Michigan (A+)
Round 4 Pick 19: Brandon Jones, FS/SS, Texas (A+)
Round 5 Pick 21: Carter Coughlin, DE/OLB, Minnesota (A+)
Round 6 Pick 3: Patrick Johnson, DE/OLB, Tulane (A+)
Round 6 Pick 21: Tyler Johnson, WR, Minnesota (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor (A)
That Auburn DT Brown is a monster!
Owe you a beer Wyoming!
It’s not that I want Auburn to win, it’s that I want Nick Saban to lose. Pretty much how I feel about Michigan-Ohio State and Stanford-Notre Dame- I want Nick Saban to lose those, too.
+100000
Damn, what a blunder to end the game Saban!
Couldn’t of happened to a better guy! 🙂
I think Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow will be our targets for a young, potential franchise QB. However I think Josh Rosen gets another opportunity this year. But he doesn’t have much left to work with. Not only are we a transition roster, we’re also very banged up.
I’m OK with Burrows.. haven’t really watched Herbert
Built a lot like Big Ben. Similar physical skills too
Zach Moss is on Primetime for you easterners to see!
Rivalry weekend was something of a bust with the exception of Alabama-Auburn every game was a blowout
LSU may score 70 plus at this rate
Hubbard @ Oklahoma ST is an interesting back also!
I would not be surprised if we start Rosen tomorrow or pull Fitz early if we’re not moving the ball. We’re 2-9. LOL
outside the obvious names in Draft and FA I think the Dolphins will like: Khalid Kareem, Curtis Weaver, Kwity Paye, Bradlee Anae, Jason Strowbridge
Hey MIKE E : which of the names above would better suit Minkah ?? 🤡
Don’t want no player named Kwity!
We could all chip in and get Mike E a Kwity Jersey? 😉
Let’s go Browns, let’s go Patriots 🤢, let’s go Redskins, Let’s go Giants
Im actually indifferent in jets v bengals
I don’t think we can get the number 1 no matter what
But I would really love that number 2 pick
FYI the patriots are playing the Texans and the Browns are playing the Steelers
At the moment we have the
3rd, 22nd, 25th and 34th picks in the draft
Don’t overlook that early 2nd round pick – I’m targeting RB with that pick
The odds of at least one of Swift, Dobbins or Taylor being there are pretty high
Also the odds of one of the top 2 centers being there seem high to
We can build up front and maybe nab a QB too
Then look to RB with that 34th
Or even trade up with our second second rounder
I think we can add a very good RB this offseason
It’s a good draft for RBS
We have a ton of picks
And the good thing about RBs is that often contribute out of the gate
The Flying Pig says:
December 1, 2019 at 9:37 am
Im actually indifferent in jets v bengals
I don’t think we can get the number 1 no matter what
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If cincy wins and beats us there you have the number one pick if we lose out the last 5.
the skins beat us and the jets will have a better record beating us the second time out, and we still play the Giants.
i believe we should trade back with our early pick if the deal is right, say a number 1 next year and a #2 this year and next and maybe trade back 7 or 8 spots
Trade backs should always be considered, but that is a big haul for 7 or 8 spots. We’d have to be like #2 or #3, which yeah we could be.
Clemson has now recorded a seven-game streak of 30-point wins to tie the longest streak in the AP Poll era (since 1936), per ESPN Stats & Info, matching Houston in 2011 and Michiganin 1976.
Clemson held a 12th straight opponent below 300 yards of total offense to open the season. Per ESPN Stats & Info, Clemson is the first team in searchable data dating back to1996 to open a season by holding its first 12 opponents to 300 or fewer yards.
Ohio State had held its first 11 opponents this year under 300 yards but gave up 396 yards at Michigan on Saturday.
Clemson has now held 15 consecutive opponents to 20 or fewer points for the first time since a 31-game streak across the 1937-40 seasons under Hall of Fame coaches Jess Neely and Frank Howard.
Clemson held a 10th consecutive opponent below 200 passing yards.
Clemson gained 527 yards and reached 500 yards in a seventh straight game for the first time since an 11-game streak to end the 2015 season.
Clemson (6,501) has now posted the eighth 6,000-yard season in Clemson history. All but one of the eight 6,000-yard seasons have come in Dabo Swinney’s head coaching tenure.
🙂
https://twitter.com/MichaelKistNFL/status/1200920651160281094?s=20
future draftees?
Trevor Lawrence has now thrown a touchdown pass in 22 consecutive games. His current streak is the longest active streak in the country. (Note: UCF’s McKenzie Milton had a 24-game streak prior to suffering an injury in November 2018 that will likely preclude him from playing in 2019).
Lawrence’s 18 consecutive completions tied ACC single-game records held by Virginia’s Michael Rocco (vs.Miami in 2012) and North Carolina’s Mitch Trubisky (vs. James Madison in 2016).
Lawrence entered the contest having thrown 111 consecutive pass attempts without an interception, dating to the first quarter at Louisville on Oct. 19, a streak he pushed to 147.
Since the start of the second quarter at Louisville, Lawrence is 112-of-147 for 1,564 yards with 19 touchdowns and no interceptions for a passer rating of 202.4 in that span.
Travis Etienne’s 53rd TD of his career broke the ACC record for career rushing touchdowns held by Pitt’s James Conner. He also broke Conner’s ACC record for career total touchdowns (56).
Etienne (342) also passed Conner (338) as the highest-scoring non-kicker in ACC history
We’d have to be 1-15 next year to get Lawrence.
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Stanger — #6
Wyoming85 – #3
Phish –- #2
Kong –- #3
D ——- #4
🐷 – #32
OD — #3
New Age- #3
Rockphin – #5
Tim Knight – #4
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Prediction window closes with the first kick off. Then I’ll copy, stow away and re-post with when our pick is announced. You have it right then doesn’t mean you win though…… could be a trade.
STILL CELEBRATING FAU’S 34-17 win over Southern Miss!
OWLS WILL HOST U.A.B. @ Schnellenberger Field on Saturday @ 1:30 PM for the C-USA Championship Game. I believe it will be televised live by the CBS Sports Network.
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TWO people seen at the FAU-USM game:
#1) Frank Gore was present to announce that HIS OLDEST SON (also a running back) has just committed to FAU!!!
#2) Devin SINGLETARY, Gore’s team mate at Buffalo, was also there to sign autographs FOR FREE to all who wanted one!! He was swarmed by young & old alike!!! He is the GREATEST PLAYER IN FAU HISTORY, so far!
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NO TALK OF “TANKING” was heard anywhere. How refreshing!
I’m hoping for pick #2 and either Young or Burrow. We still have a strong shot. This team is talent starved especially after all the injuries. We should be an easy win against both the Eagle and Pats. Dan Jones has more talent to work with and Dalton can beat us if either team really wants the win. I’m afraid on the second Jets game. I’d love to win it but it may be Gase’s most important game this year. We exposed him and he’s a petty little turd. Watch him try to run the score up if given the chance,
I’d like the wins but I don’t see them happening. The Browns really exposed how little Flores has to work with. Rosen deserves a second shot since we’re completely out of the hunt and Fitz hasn’t brought the wins. He’s taught the players a lot but we really are talent starved. I think he’s done an amazing job.
QB wise- Tua(later) possibly or Burrow. Everyone else has huge concerns. Herbert has been terrible. Same with Eason, and Fromm. I’d rather just build up the team for an average QB like the Rams, Bears, 49ers, etc have done than waste an early pick on anyone not named Tua or Burrow. Everyone else looks like another Trubisky and who needs that?
As I play with the draft simulators, I have come to the same conclusion!
We don’t need another developmental QB!
We already have one!
The only other thing I would add. If the front Office see’s one that is a great get then I’d be ok with it!
his draft is so wide open it could go any which way!
I have to problem with Rosen if we can’t get Burrow. I don;t see a cleaner QB pick after that and Tua is scary. He really is snake-bit or fragile. I’m not sure I could go before our third pick in round one for him. We just are so bad with QB picks over the years.
No problem not to.
I’m pretty much with you on the #2 and those two players
Really I want young
But if he goes one and we get Burrow…it’s still a great pick
If we end up with 3 I think you have to consider Tua
I know he has an injury history
But we have Rosen under contract for another 2 years
And we can let each of those two fight to earn the starting job
I’ve really considered it (Tua at 3). If I wasn’t a Miami fan I’d feel more strongly for Tua but our QB decisions the past few decades are haunting . I’d probably need about 50 doctors opinions lol
Herbert has been very good this year. He had one bad game but overall he has made significant strides especially in completion %
Tua is injury prone. Look what his backup did yesterday. Almost like they didn’t miss him with that OL, stud RB and 3 WR’s who will go in the top 2-3 rounds in the draft.
That is my big concern with him. 3 injuries that required surgery in college. That’s not a small concern. Even Pat White was more durable.
10 point dogs today at home.
Guess that is about right.
I’d still take the Phins though.
If we are picking #2 or 3, I might offer Bengals our 1st, Rosen and our late 2nd pick to move up and take Burrow. I feel that way cause I don’t think we will be in position to trade up next year for Lawrence unless we give up a boatload of picks. I would rather have Lawrence over Burrow due to arm strength as Burrow tends to float his long balls. Not sure if it’s lack of arm strength or he is just trying to put to much touch on it. Every time I have watched Herbert this year, he has been, MEH to say the least. To me Herbert is a poor man’s Stafford who was only good when he had Megatron.
Eagles inactives today: Sidney Jones, Jordan Howard, Daeshon Hall, Nate Sudfeld, Shareef Miller, Matt Pryor, Nate Herbig.
Least Jordan is still out.
Was hoping to see more of Isaiah Prince. Hope he makes a big leap into next year.
Tackles can usually move inside. Why not try him at RG?
Can the game actually start without Rock reminding us bitches it is gameday?
Throw the red flag!
No shit !!
From the cheers guessing a lot of Eagles fans made the trip.
stangerx says:
December 1, 2019 at 10:40 am
Trade backs should always be considered, but that is a big haul for 7 or 8 spots. We’d have to be like #2 or #3, which yeah we could be.
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the first pick is worth 3000, the 9th pick is worth 1350, that would be 1650 pts to make up after we get there 9th pick, a number one pick in the following year has a value of a number 2 pick this year so it’s really not such a big haul.
I didn’t check the chart, but do know that #1 #1 has a huge value. But sounds like that 1650 would be worth like the #8 or #7 this year, which yeah obviously could get get you a #2 in this one and a first in the next.
Put Rosen in.
You may see that, but might take a while.
Put the Stanford RB in.
My God how was that not a PI
I do not want anything to do with Tua. Never have.
He is fragile and mainly successful because of who surrounds him and his coach.
Disagree, but I do feel his play style is likely to get him injured. That said if he learns to play safer ala Russell Wilson he could avoid injuries in the NFL. His success though is credit to himself. He has great players around him yes, and good coaching, but they are not the same team without him.
Burrow has possibly better players around him and no one it slighting him like that. Overall I’m not a big fan of Tua, but if we got him at a value selection, he definitely is talented enough to deserve it
Bama put up a gang of points yesterday without Tua.
Haack ith a 27 yd punt.
Do we need a punter now, too?
He shanks too many.
I have Cleveland Pitt and TB Jax on TV.
Any suggestions for where I can see the Dolphins game?
Not that it will be worth anything.
Ryan Tannehill 6/7 61 1TD
If our OL is (not) gonna block like this all day , I don’t wanna see Rosen put in
Agreed — but Fitz is hot and cold for some reason.
He has been hit every time he has dropped back. And the run game still sux .. we aren’t even giving him a chance back there..
Russell Wilson is tough, has taken a pounding and still healthy. He is stocky. Tua is slim in the hips and torso and plays in a “hit me hard” style. Wilson is very hard to get a good shot at.
I do not see any points of comparison in them at all. I see Tua as Mariota #2.
Naples: even with Tua 90% of their offence was YAC. I won’t say I don’t want Tua.. but I don’t think he is the second coming , or a sure fire franchise QB either .. I would prefer Burrow
agreed
Tua and Burrow are the only QBs I have watched at any length this year …
Here is my reasoning of why the signs point to us getting Burrow…
Wife and I went to NOLA earlier this year
One of our favourite shows, Queen of the South, is based in NOLA this season
Watched new Lady and the Tramp the other day , it’s filmed in NOLA…
It’s a lock 🏉🤡
What is a 2-yard holding penalty? I thought they were all 10 yds.
from the spot of the foul.
I really think Wentz is over rated. I would not want him as my franchise QB. Goff either TBH.
Don’t wish OD popped in during the game? He told us all abut the OL? 🙂
For YEARS now 🤡
Vinatieri missed again, nother FG. He’s done. In his defense it was 55 yds out.
wildcat
N/M on Tannehil … just gave up a strip sack fumble.
Pretty much one a game this year … difference is they win still
glad to see Wilson motoring. Sure wish his career is not over.
they have to recognize those blitz better and have a safety balance to go to
Why throw for 7 on 3rd and 11?
Better than the sack he was going to take?
That was Fiiiiiiiiing beautiful
Ken,
After 4 years, I’d expect some improvement from Herbert. He’ s not improved much in decision making. His performance in games has been mostly subpar. He had 174 yrs and one TD against a really average Oregon State team as his final home game. That’s not an anomaly either. He just hasn’t been the difference maker on that team and nothing showed it more than that ugly loss to ASU or the ugly win against WSU where CJ Verdell carried the team…not Herbert. As a 40 game starter, he hasn’t elevated Oregon to the place they should be given his physical traits.
The exciting guy I saw beat ASU and Utah in 2016 and throw 6 TDs against Cal just hasn’t made the strides you’d want to see at this point. He has all the physical traits to dominate…and hasn’t. He’s done poorly in both bowls he’s played in and Oregon has a really soft schedule playing in the PAC-12. If he can beat the Utes next week I may change my mind but nothing he’s done this year changes what I saw last year….an inconsistent QB who won;t be a difference maker in the NFL.
He compares extremely poorly to Big Ben. Rapistberger elevated his team to national prominence as a small school. Herbert is struggling to put up 200 yards to a 5-7 OSU team. No comparison at all once you look past their sizes.
HOLY SHIT. a 43 yd TD on 4th and 4? Damn that is great coaching.
I guess the pass to Laird was a set up.
Parker signed on the cheap next year. After a great TD…. that’s where my mind went.
parker
Thnx Wyo … I cannot see the game, only the play by play, which is why I asked.
That was a great job by Parker
Bengals leading jests YAY
Was that the Gink?
Yes it was.
Why the heck were the Eagles going for it on 4th and 2? Are they worried?
Practice?
Over confident
Ha Ha! You said Over! 😉
Happy Birthday Piggi, love you buddy
To Bacon 🎂🎂
Parker again. Nice push off lol
Happy Birthday Piggy!
Parker is becoMing a beast and thank goodness Ballage is out.
Happy Baconator Birthday
Didn’t know was that.
Happy Happy to our favorite Bacon!
Wow that got blown up
Good challenge
Hope we win this challenge, but think we lose.
If that’s not PI what is? LOL
Been wrong before….. just the latest time. 🙂
Probably not gonna win this
Flores let his emotions get the better of him. The NFL is not overturning these calls.
woohoo. Happy to be wrong!
Gonna win it
Woot woot
Happy birthday sir
Happy Birthday from Penny and Randy. Cake looks great!
The bengals are up 2 scores in the jests…wtf
Ha
Come on Fitzy – use your big receivers
Lmao nice !!!
Lmao! That’s my birthday TD!
I love this coach.
LMAO!
Alrighty then
Yeah we’re tanking!!! LOL