Miami Dolphins QB room – A complicated trio

I don’t think there’s a position on this team with as much uncertainty. We have the veteran, last year’s rushing leader, and consummate professional in Ryan Fitzpatrick. He’s the savvy guy who was able to show impressive escapability when the blocking wasn’t up to snuff. This was something 2nd year QB (at the time) Josh Rosen couldn’t muster. Rosen was stymied by the constant pressure and although his arm strength looked as good as many NFL QB’s, his ability to understand what he saw out on the field in opposing defenses was lacking. To be fair, he was in 2 pretty poor situations, first in a woeful offense in Arizona under one and done HC Steve Wilks, and then here with the Dolphins in the midst of a team rebuild. We traded away our best OT (Laremy Tunsil) for 2 first RD picks from the Texans, but that didn’t help our QB’s in 2019. The odd thing for me was that Rosen was considered one of the most NFL ready QB’s from the 2018 Draft yet he was still having trouble identifying the “Mike” on the defensive side of the ball.

Ryan Fitzpatrick won the confidence of his teammates and DeVante Parker ended up emerging as a legitimate top level WR. Before Parker and Fitzgerald went on their torrential run from game 8 on, rookie Preston Williams was his favorite target and the rookie was having a very nice rookie season. He is clearly a leader of men, and by the end of the season Fitzgerald made it clear he wanted to return here and be the starter. The Miami Dolphins on the other hand had to look to the future, both the distant future and immediate future and drafted Tua Tagovailoa at #5. This had been discussed and predicted for so long to me it almost became a foregone conclusion. So now that leaves us with a wily veteran who has put together 2 pretty good seasons in a row with Tampa Bay and now our Dolphins. We have a young veteran QB who has endured 2 difficult seasons and it shouldn’t be discounted that many scouts questioned his desire and love for football in the first place in Josh Rosen. Then add in what I will have to consider our best QB prospect in many years, 1983 to be exact in Tua Tagovailoa.

There are a couple of wild cards that will have their play here. One of them is COVID-19 which unfortunately is running wild in Florida at the time of this writing. Nearly 10,000 new cases have devastated FLA since fully reopening. The other wild card is the actual physical health of Tua Tagovailoa. If he really is completely healed and ready to go will the Dolphins be able to keep him off the field? The COVID-19 wild card works 2 ways here. One, it may make opening camp here in FLA impossible and force a relocation if it doesn’t quiet down. It also may force the NFL to push back team activities although they are loathe to do that. They desperately want to start on time and it seems the only real concessions the NFL is going to make is lopping off a couple of preseason games. Let’s just say that they move the team to a facility that keeps them away from the general public and COVID-19 is not a factor. It will be interesting to see how things proceed. The Dolphins made it clear that they would prefer to start Fitzpatrick and he earned that right. On the other hand, if Tua truly is right physically and starts lighting things up, it will become increasingly more difficult for the Dolphins not to let their new potential star take the QB reins.

What about Josh Rosen, who has to be the most overlooked QB on the roster. Most people think he’s in danger of being cut unless the Dolphins decide to keep 3 QB’s. Last season the Dolphins carried only 2. This year, the gameday roster will increase to 48 from 46 but one of those must be an OL. It’s possible this increase could affect the decision to carry 3 QB’s, but I believe if Tua is healed that would be unnecessary. I think the one thing that Josh Rosen has in his favor is his age and inexpensive rookie contract. Ryan Fitzpatrick will turn 38 this season and Josh Rosen is 23. Keep in mind Ryan Fitzpatrick wasn’t always a starting QB, he didn’t start until he was traded to the Cincinnati Bengals after his 3rd season and then he was traded again to our rival Buffalo Bills the next season. Josh Rosen is in a similar flight pattern to Fitzgerald and maybe he finds his footing at some point. It may just come down to desire with him because he has the physical tools of an NFL QB, one with a better than average NFL arm. He has to show something this season or his career as a Miami Dolphin will likely be over.




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1,170 Responses to Miami Dolphins QB room – A complicated trio

  1. pheloniusphish says:

    Cav – The 15 minute exposure inside of 6 feet is the CDC guidelines for contact tracing and testing

  2. pheloniusphish says:

    Woo hoo…Page Turn!!!

  3. mf13ss says:

    Wow… just caught up with what’s been discussed over the last 2 weeks since I last posted. Is this place a football blog anymore? Asking for a friend…

    And no… I’m not going to interject with football out of the blue, so as to disrupt the political talk. I’m a mere guest, just trying to abide by the rules directed to me. It’s getting sad, guys.

    • Tim Knight says:

      There’s no football to really discuss. 😦
      I’m very sad with our social situation in the USA. 😦

    • stangerx says:

      Good to see you M13 . I’ve seen a lot of football talk, but given what’s going on not exclusively for sure. And you ain’t a guest….. you are one of the boys.

  4. CavalierKong says:


    Remember our conversation about AB last year? We debated whether he’d ever play again in the NFL again. I said all he needed to do is be contrite and apologize and teams would come calling. Well, he hasn’t played a down yet, so you could still be proven right, but barring another setback, I think he’s as good as back once the league reinstates him. Talent will always trump character.

  5. New Age says:


    I’m also sad that football the game looks less and less likely while football the political side topic gains more and more discussion. I talk football on other sites and the discussion over the Redskins makes me want to do other things on Sundays. I quit watching sports shows and haven’t listened to ESPN in two years. When did pushing everything but football gain so much traction with sports journalism?

  6. CavalierKong says:

    “There’s no football to really discuss.”
    And with the safety rules I’ve seen being discussed, I have serious doubts we’ll finish a full season. I think the football year ends up completely jacked.

    • New Age says:

      I agree Kong. I thought this virus was going to start abating but who knows. There are lots of interesting stories that were waiting to happen too. It’s a shame.

  7. pheloniusphish says:

    It’s tax day. Everyone remember to file your taxes.

  8. wyoming85 says:

  9. wyoming85 says:

    I’m trying for football! But there just isn’t much there!!!!!

    • steveccnv says:

      Felony charges should garner a suspension, but how’d that go over though, with these privileged babies? Their would be no season, total mutiny.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Technically that’s a little bit football

      There isn’t football right now to talk about

      I don’t think some one popping in, criticizing everyone about the topics they discussed before tucking under a rock again expresses the general sentiment of the blog anyway

      • bookman11 says:


      • CavalierKong says:

        All of us on here have known each other for more than a decade, in some cases close to two decades. This isn’t just a football blog. This blog is a bunch of friends that shoot the shit, and we know that, so I don’t think that kind of criticism bothers anyone.

        When there is something football to talk about, we talk about it. When there isn’t we talk a range of subjects. It isn’t a difficult dynamic to understand, lol.

  10. wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s surprising on Darnold ranking last, he always seemed to handle it well, when I saw him.

      What isn’t surprising is how he looked like a bad episode of Face Off in the what QBs would look like as a woman article above.

  11. wyoming85 says:

  12. steveccnv says:

    Minimum wage workers can’t afford rent in any state, writes CNBC. Min. wage wasn’t designed to be a living wage, it’s a starting wage, if you’re so lame that you’re an established adult and are still making min wage, then get some training or an education. Enough with the BS that the govt should provide for people, because they aren’t providing for themselves. The welfare state Johnson created in the ’60s is what got all of these people in the mess they’re in.

    Sure some people need help from time to time, but to be a lifer on a program is wrong.

  13. ElephantRider says:

    There isnt going to be any football news soon. The season is going to be a complete cluster fuck.

  14. D says:

    Yall are being WAY too kind to Amy Schumer if yall think that she looks that good…..

  15. wyoming85 says:

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s Jason Taylor-esque. He’s gotta have some great intangibles to be able to get the production he did, without being particularly fast or strong.

  16. ElephantRider says:


    I’m down for a good clusterfuck. I’ve been laughing my ass off for awhile now.

  17. wyoming85 says:

    • Rockphin says:

      This tells me that the coaches were not calling the TE routes as safety dump offs and was using RB’s for that. Not that the QB is any better than another one. The dump off was just designed as a different guy.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I wonder, is this TE depth from the line of scrimmage or from the QB to the TE?

  18. Rockphin says:

    steveccnv says:
    July 15, 2020 at 1:01 pm
    That’s Jason Taylor-esque. He’s gotta have some great intangibles to be able to get the production he did, without being particularly fast or strong.


    Zach Thomas was too small and too slow also…..


    • steveccnv says:

      But he was strong. What made him good was his preparation, he was 1 step ahead of everyone else. Will Dream prepare the same?

  19. D says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    July 15, 2020 at 11:16 am

    Don’t worry guys

    Things are looking up

  20. Phindog says:


  21. wyoming85 says:


  22. wyoming85 says:

    • stangerx says:

      Gotta like that. I know little about him, but do know he came to us young and on the relative cheap. Something must have made that happen.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I think it was just a crowded backfield in SF. So we gave them Breida’s 5th round draft value and they accepted the deal.

  23. Tim Knight says:

    Kong, you’re probably right on AB but I wouldn’t want him on my team. I think he might be going crazy. He’s done some messed up stuff.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I agree with you 100%. Keep him the hell away from our Dolphins. It’s funny because the Texans are being linked to him. O’Brien couldn’t make it work with Hopkins, but he’ll replace him with AB? LOL, ok, good luck with that!

  24. CavalierKong says:

    Hockey’s return plan:

    Each Conference will play in a “hub” city with secure hotels, arena, practice facilities and transportation.

    Top 12 teams in each conference will compete.

    Top 4 in each conference automatically make the playoffs. They will play a round robin to determine their seeding for the 1st round of the playoffs.

    The bottom 8 in each conference will play a qualifying round best of 5 series and the 4 winners will make the playoffs.

    That gets you 8 playoff teams per conference, then it’s normal playoff hockey (2 rounds, conference final, cup). Series length for the 1st 2 rounds has not been determined. Finals and cup will be best of 7.

    First game is August 1st, and my Blues’ first game is August 2nd. I can’t flipping wait.

  25. olddolphan says:


    • CavalierKong says:


    • olddolphan says:

      YOUNG STANGER: SAW YOUR COMMENTS on Breda coming to us on “the relative cheap. Something must have happened.” I know NOTHING about that, but, your comments about Breda reminded me of Harry Caray getting caught in bed with Cardinals owner Augie Busch’s WIFE after many stellar years as the voice of the Cardinals!! —- Soon after his firing, Caray was hired by the Cardinals’ arch enemy, the Chicago Cubs!!! —-Caray supposedly bragged “I screwed Augie’s wife, then I got an even better and more lucrative job with The Cubbies!!! You can’t beat that!!!”

      • CavalierKong says:

        Wow, I have been a Cardinal fan since the mid 80’s and I had no idea Harry Caray started as a St Louis announcer and spent 25 years covering them. He was always the Cubs guy to me. And sleeping with the owners wife, then going to the rival Cubs? LMAO that is hilarious.

      • Tim Knight says:


      • stangerx says:

        Lot about Harry Caray didn’t know. Thought he was more like Santa Claus with a voice.

  26. Krishna says:

    All this football talk and not a peep. Sorry, hockey and baseball talk, too.

    Piggy said it best, imo. Or was the most direct/honest.

  27. ocalarob says:

    You just don’t have a clue do you? Zach Thomas was football fast, his size gave him an advantage, he was hard to find when he was pursuing RBs.

    Rockphin says:
    July 15, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    Zach Thomas was too small and too slow also…..


    • D says:

      He wasn’t really fast as much as he was extremely brilliant at diagnosing plays and knowing where to be. Alonzo was the 180 degree opposite of Zach. He had the size, he had the athletic ability but couldn’t read a play to save his life.

      Athletic ability will carry you a good ways but eventually you stack up to others who are on an equal level and then its about intangibles. Zach had those, so honestly, he was better for the NFL than he was for college, where a lot of match-ups are just athlete vs athlete.

  28. steveccnv says:

    Weaver 6’3″ 265, why is he being compared to Zack? They don’t even play the same position.

    Zack 5’11” 242

  29. steveccnv says:

    I think the early part of the season we could see several games in the teens. The D should keep us in games while the OL settles in.

    The competition could change that though, with 4 tough games in the first 5 weeks.

  30. wyoming85 says:

  31. The Flying Pig says:

    The things I read about Weaver are that he is physically limited but his technique is top notch

    Sometimes that translates into a lot of production

    We probably are waiting for a guy like weaver to “turn the corner”
    I think there’s a shot he comes out of the gate hot

    …if the gate actually opens of course
    (Piggy squeals)

  32. son of a son of a shula says:

    It’s for the entire season Piggs.
    No tailgating what a bummer.

    • D says:

      No drunken brawls in the parking areas…..dang it.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        No more Scarlett’s cabaret in the parking lot

        If this is league wide – The fold up table industry in Buffalo is going to be devastated

  33. The Flying Pig says:

    The entire season seems a bit premature

    But I keep underestimating how long this might take

    This is going to take so long to recover from at so many levels
    Think of all the small businesses that profit just from tailgating

    What a nightmare we are living through

  34. D says:

    I think its the age ole lower ceiling higher floor, vs higher ceiling lower flour. People who have to work to achieve success typically are easier to put an eye on and say , this is what this guy does at th next level, where as those that have survived and prospered on talent alone is more of a crap shoot. What happens when they hit adversity, what happens when they have to try to find that next gear. Weaver like Thomass, in that respect has had to do that before, though i dont know if there are many like Zach who poured themselves into their craft as much. So i kinda see the Zach comparison, in the sense that they are players who both will have to work hard to achieve greatness, but its achievable despite not having all the gifts that a Myles Garrett or Derrick Thomas may have been gifted.

  35. stangerx says:

    No tailgating??….. well that sure does change things up. Puts Chef Warren out of a job. Guessing also means they are going limited capacity.

  36. stangerx says:

    Not looking good for a Fest with our fannies in stadium seats.
    MIAMI GARDENS, Fla. – With the health and safety of its fans and employees front of mind, the Miami Dolphins and Hard Rock Stadium announced a series of initiatives designed to create a safe environment in 2020. Stadium capacity for regular season games will be determined at a later date in consultation with health experts and government officials. Policies for the 2020 season will include:

    No fans for training camp and preseason games
    No tailgating for 2020 season
    Socially-distanced seating clusters
    All fans and stadium employees will be required to wear a mask when not eating or drinking……

    Things are changing week to week and we are still more than two months away from our first scheduled regular season home game so we’ll wait and work with local authorities and make the determination about fans or no fans based on the data as we get closer…..

    When a capacity is determined, season ticket members will have first priority to purchase tickets based on their tenure. All season ticket members will have the option to roll their 2020 payments into the 2021 season and retain all of their tenure, seats and associated benefits, and any season ticket members who may be considered at-risk based on CDC guidelines will be strongly encouraged to exercise the 2021 option and stay at home in 2020.


    • Tim Knight says:

      We’ll know more about this after camp opens in a couple of weeks. There may not be a season if things get crazy.

      • stangerx says:

        they are bringing it back one step at a time, which makes sense. Wonder if they are considering an NBA/NHL set up. If you know won’t have fans makes sense.

  37. Rockphin says:

    Yes Orob you took it out of context. I used lazy speech and irony. I should have said “people said of Thomas when he fell to the 5th round (1-54) that he was too small and too slow, but look how wrong they were. Hopefully Weever has the same work ethic and foot ball smarts where he continues to be great. (He has been GREAT so far) and overcomes the “physically inadequate” label.

    Thanks for not throwing names too….oh wait.

  38. Rockphin says:

    No Steve, they are being compared because they both “over achieve’ for not being great physical specimens for their positions. It was my comparison and Ill stand by it.

    Strength of position aside Weaver was a stud and fell all the way to the 5th round (164)

  39. Rockphin says:

    Orob and his raging clue

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Lol sheesh

      • ocalarob says:

        You know i have an ongoing problem with MR Clean! I tried to set the record straight saying i accidentally took him out of context.
        you see that’s the problem with you, these little unnecessary chimes.

        that’s some real low shit.
        do you always stick your nose where it doesn’t belong?

  40. stangerx says:

    “With training camp approaching, the NFL Players Association announced on Thursday that 72 NFL players have tested positive for COVID-19.”…. that ain’t good.

  41. wyoming85 says:

  42. ElephantRider says:

    Just cancel the season. This is a nightmare.

  43. CavalierKong says:

    So baseball starts in one week. First game is 07/23/20.

    To start to the rebooted season, stadiums will have no fans but that might change as the season progresses.

    Stadiums will pump in crowd noise and around 75 different sound effects from the MLB game such as cheers, groans, and boos.

    **Apropos of our previous conversation, the comma after ‘groans’ in the above sentence is the oxford comma. It’s a comma used before the last item of a list, usually before the word ‘and’. In proper grammar, it is the writers choice whether or not to use this comma. My habit is to use it to head off confusion in the rare instance your last item already contains the word ‘and’.

    For example, in the sentence – “My favorite sandwiches are ham and cheese, roast beef, and peanut butter and jelly.” the oxford comma is the one after beef, and its function is to clearly designate that peanut butter and jelly are one item, not two. This is a very rare occurrence, but it does happen, so I almost always use it.**

    Stadiums will still use public address announcers, walk up music, and video boards.

    We’ll have a 60 game season, 40 divisional, and 20 interleague games.

    Players will not be allowed spitting items, including sunflower seeds, peanut shells or tobacco. Gum is allowed.

    Pitchers can carry wet rags in their back pockets so they don’t have to lick their fingers.

  44. CavalierKong says:

    To add to my oxford comma comment: In all honestly, it really is about aesthetic choice. If a person is consistent with their ‘list’ commas, then you can discern if an item like I listed above is one or two both by using or not using the oxford comma. I personally find it clearer to use it. I like the symmetry of a comma between each item in a list instead of leaving the last one out.

    Clearly I’m bored right now. lol

  45. CavalierKong says:

    And it’s funny because this sentence from my post has no oxford comma –
    Players will not be allowed spitting items, including sunflower seeds, peanut shells or tobacco. Gum is allowed.

    But I copy and pasted that. If I’d written it, I’d have used it.

  46. CavalierKong says:

    Ok, “Everything you never wanted to know about the Oxford Comma” time is over now. lol

    Here is some obligatory football stuff so I meet the qualifications.
    Appreciate some Barry Sanders. Still the best RB I’ve ever seen play.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Dude played one more year after that, gained 1491 yds on a 4.3 avg, then retired before the 1999 season because Detroit sucks f#$%ing ass.

      He never rushed for less than 1115 yds.
      7 of 10 years he rushed for over 1400 yards.
      His lowest avg was 4.3 per carry.
      5 of 10 years he rushed for over 5 per carry
      Over his career, he averaged 5 yds per carry and 1527 yds per season.

  47. Rockphin says:

    The stat that is missing from all the Covid news (no matter which source I reference) is “active cases” sure the US has 3.5 mil cases….

    How many of those cases are active infections that can be transmitted? Oh no! 79 players have tested positive! Since when!? Have most of them recovered now? Are any of them still infectious?

    That is the important data that is not available.

    • steveccnv says:

      I’ve bitched about that too in sports. Big FN headline out, 5 Houston players test positive, with no details. All 5 are likely asymptomatic, which means they’re sensationalizing it.

      We’re all going to be exposed to it at some point, unless you never leave your home. For those not at risk, just get it and be done with it.

  48. wyoming85 says:

  49. ocalarob says:

    best rb ever?
    earl campbell

    • D says:

      If he had of had a normal creer it would have easily been Bo Jackson.

      • steveccnv says:

        I agree with both of these choices, at least the power back that can get to the second level. Barry Sanders was dynamic, but runs a lot like Drake in that he’s always trying to take it the distance resulting in lots of minus yard carries. In other words selfish backs, that hurt their team from a consistancy standpoint.

  50. Mike E. says:

    Hey all! Hope everyone is well, I was away on vacay. I’ll try to put up a fresh article in the next day or so

    • steveccnv says:

      Tomorrow morning, after this site gets bogged down with music videos tonight and comes to a crawl, would be nice🤔

  51. steveccnv says:

    Barry Sanders was that back that everyone loved watching, unless you were a Lion’s fan. He was a huge drive killer for a team that had a hard time picking up chunk yardage thru the air.

    He had his moments, but his style wasn’t such, that he helped his team win on a regular basis. Give me Roger Craig any day over Barry.

  52. Mike E. says:

    Walter Payton was fantastic too. Great combination of agility and power.

  53. CavalierKong says:

    Drake to Sanders is a terrible comparison other than Drake has a bit of Sanders elusiveness. Sanders wasn’t a Jim Brown power back, but he was short and strong and could and did run with power as well as speed. Drake falls over at first contact. You could never say that about Sanders.

    Sanders was the entire focus of the Lions offense, not a selfish back. It was his job to try to make plays. Most years he had an average line at best and very little help offensively. All you had to do to beat the Lions was try to contain him, so every single week, the gameplan was to stop Sanders, yet he still averaged 5 yards a carry for his entire 10 year career. He never had a bad year.

    Bo Jackson only played 39 games in the NFL, woulda, coulda, shoulda. I saw him play, he was amazing, but if you can’t play, you can’t be the best.

    Earl Campbell I never saw play, but I’ve seen the highlights and often see him listed as a top ten back, one of the best. Stats-wise he had 5 good years, and 5 bad years.

    Likewise, I never saw Jim Brown play. Brown, Smith, and Payton are the only backs than can stand up stats-wise to Sanders. I saw the end of Payton’s career, and loved watching him play. Obviously, there is no real argument to be made if someone calls them the best, although with Smith, he played behind some of the best lines in the league for years, but I personally don’t think that takes away from what he accomplished.

    • steveccnv says:

      Just comparing the mind set, not the entire package. So in the grand scheme of things runs over 9 yards don’t really matter😉

  54. CavalierKong says:

    Rodney Pete, Erik Kramer, , Andre Ware, Dave Krieg, Don Majkowski, Scott Mitchelll, Charlie Batch

  55. CavalierKong says:

    IMO the most accurate comparison to another player I could give to Sanders is Marino. One of the best ever at his position, but never could get over the hump.

    Was it Marino’s fault that the offense was entirely about him and his skill set, and because the focus was so much on his talent other aspects of the team suffered and therefore he never won a SB? No, that is on the coach and the organization.

    Did it take away from his talent and him being considered one of the best of all time at QB? I know it’s a weird comparison, but to me the parallels are there.

    • steveccnv says:

      Not a good comparison, because if Marino had a D or a running game he may have had several rings. Sanders was never going to be an SB champ unless the entire team around him was great, he didn’t make those around him better.

      • CavalierKong says:

        If Marino had a defense and a running game to go with his passing ability, he may have had several rings.

        If Sanders had a passing game and a defense to go with his running ability, he may have had several rings too IMO.

        I think both teams had the same problem. A transcendent talent they didn’t utilize properly. Part of the problem with Marino and a running game was Marino himself. How do you keep running the ball when you have perhaps the greatest passer of all time behind center? It was the same issue the Lions had with Barry. How do you drop back and pass over and over when you have one of the greatest backs of all time running it?

  56. CavalierKong says:

    This is all opinion of course. It’s the age old question of comparing different styles, different eras, etc. I agree that Roger Craig should be near the top of the list too, yet he isn’t even in the hall of fame.

    • steveccnv says:

      The problem with Barry is he couldn’t carry the team, he’d make a great run on one drive, then the next 3 would end in 3 and outs, because they keyed on him and he would reverse field and lose 4 yards. In the end his stats looked great, but they couldn’t win.

  57. steveccnv says:

    You add Barry to NE with Brady and he’s unstoppable.

  58. CavalierKong says:

    Show me a RB that carried a team all by himself to a SB.

    Smith had one of the best olines ever, a great QB, and WR, not to mention a defense.

    Roger Craig isn’t in the HOF because his teams were absolutely loaded with talent.

    Walter Payton had arguably the best defense of all time when he won his SB.

    Earl Campbell’s teams never won squat.

    OJ Simpsons teams never won squat.

    Franco Harris, arguably best defense ever, Lynn Swann, Bradshaw, etc.

    Czonka, great oline, great defense.

    The only guy who maybe you can say carried his team was Jim Brown, and I only say that because I have no idea what those teams looked like, and what they won, lol.

    The Lions had crap teams, average or flat out bad olines and auto mechanics posing as QBs, average to bad defenses.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Ugh, we’ve been remiss in leaving Dickerson out of this conversation. Another great back.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Also, it’s not really fair for me to call Scott Mitchell an auto mechanic, he actually wasn’t a horrible QB, but still average at best.

    • steveccnv says:

      The guy in NE when they played the Bears carried them to the SB, but I didn’t say carry his team to the SB. I said Barry couldn’t carry his team. Dickerson, OJ, Henry, Campbell, and many others did.

      Barry was a luxury part time effective back, you can’t win with that. When they needed him to make a big play, he failed more times than not.

      Great statistically, but not great for winning.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Going by just carrying his team to winning, Barry carried his team as well as any other backs have ever carried theirs. Prior to Barry joining the Lions, they had made the playoffs just 3 times since the merger in ’66. Once Barry joined the team, they made the playoffs 5 of his 10 years. Once in the playoffs they were always exposed as a one man team against far superior talent. When he retired, they made the playoffs just once in the next 10 years. That isn’t happenstance. That is carrying a team.

        I can understand if Barry isn’t top on your list of great backs, but to call him just a luxury part time effective back I can’t fathom, lol. Put him on a team with talent and his numbers may go down, but he’d be devastatingly effective.

  59. The Flying Pig says:

    It’s never too early to start posting Friday tunes

    Here’s my early contribution

  60. The Flying Pig says:
  61. The Flying Pig says:

    I’ve been taken down an internet sinkhole I can’t return from

  62. CavalierKong says:

    It’s been fun running this subject back and forth with ya, Steve. I always appreciate a good argument, lol, but I have to head out for a few hours. Cheers! 🙂

    • steveccnv says:

      It seemed like back in the Sanders days everytime I saw him play, they were playing the Cowboys or some other team I hated, and he’d do one of those spin around moves and the pursuit would swallow him up, always at the most inopportune time.

      • D says:

        90% of backs who try to be Barry will fail to be anything but average and like you said before, lose as many yards as they gain with that style. I think though thats the beauty of Sanders they knew it was coming and he just made them look stupid on the field. So. Many. Broken. Ankles.

  63. D says:

    Marshall Faulk was also a really great back, little bit of everything good about him too. He was on a great team too but i think he would have been pretty special with a lot of teams.

  64. Rockphin says:

    Try this again

  65. Rockphin says:

    The Cello IS a heavy metal instrument

    So is the flute according to Ian Anderson

  66. Rockphin says:

    Putting me in a mood.

  67. ocalarob says:

    watch the lead by terry kath,

  68. Rockphin says:

    well she’s walkin……

  69. Phindog says:

    I’ve posted a lot of Joe Bonamassa vidieos but him and Eric Gales sharing the stage is mind blowing.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Bonamassa is very good but I get bored with him pretty quickly. I feel like I’m listening to the same thing over and over.

  70. Rockphin says:

    Play me a song!

  71. The Flying Pig says:

  72. Phindog says:

    These guys did great with this. 3 of them are brothers, can you guess which 3 ?

  73. Rockphin says:


  74. Phindog says:

    This too funny 🐕

  75. wyoming85 says:

  76. Phindog says:


  77. Phindog says:

    This will take you way back.

  78. CavalierKong says:

  79. pheloniusphish says:

  80. wyoming85 says:

    Damn, usually i’m the one that get’s drunk and goes to be early!

  81. Tim Knight says:

    Been looking at our roster and I really think we could be a good football team. There will be a lot of competition at every position.

  82. CavalierKong says:

    Some interesting takes on the upcoming season in the article below.

    And an interesting fact:
    “Last year, according to Over The Cap, 31 percent of the players on opening day rosters were former undrafted free agents…”

    1/3 of the league on opening day last year were undrafted free agents. That’s pretty incredible.

  83. wyoming85 says:

  84. bailbondmike says:

    Nothing to prove to anyone but himself. Seems like he still may have a little chip on his shoulder.

    • stangerx says:

      He’s got the lead back role. And he’s still young. Bet you he is as worried about how the OL shackes up a we are though.

  85. bailbondmike says:

    We will have to see how X plays in 2020 after his knee issues but I am really interested in drafting Patrick Surtain II in 2021 with our first pick. We have an out clause in 2022 in Howard’s contract. His dead cap goes way down after 2021.

  86. CavalierKong says:

    Don’t we still have a couple of unsigned draft picks? They can still report to training camp unsigned though, right? I really should already know this…

  87. stangerx says:

    I only see two chances for this NFL season being played. They either are going to have to have the teams isolated like training camp or start doing testing like they do in the White House….. meaning everyone gets it every day and they get can get results back in an hour or so.

  88. Mike E. says:


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