Miami Dolphins 2021 Draft haul

No puff piece, or rah-rah cheerleading in this post. If you want that, stop reading and find another fan site. It’s not that I think we had a poor draft, we didn’t. I suppose my expectations seem to always exceed what we eventually accomplish in the draft. We seem to always be set up for a huge and successful haul with a bevy of picks and somehow we manage to deflate that big balloon of happiness. Each pick of the first 4 were good picks, but I could easily say 3 of the 4 weren’t picked where they should have been picked. We set ourselves up to get a few different players at #6, but I’d be lying if I didn’t expect either Kyle Pitts, or much more likely Ja’Marr Chase to be available there. They weren’t. With WR a huge need in my opinion, and apparently the Dolphins braintrust as well, we selected Jaylen Waddle. Very nice player, who could have easily made it to 10 or even 12. The more I think about it though, he’s actually a great fit here, so instead of trying to replace DeVante Parker with Ja’Marr Chase, we got a player who can be like Albert Wilson was for us before his injury, a guy that can take any pass to the house. In addition, he’s a great return man with steady hands, so no more holding your breath with Grant on punt returns.

I knew we were taking Jaelan Phillips, and I do feel it was the right pick, right place. He could really help this defense, a guy that can potentially make everyone else better. He’s a true technician and much more than just a 40 time or a great vertical or a quick step. While he has all of those abilities, he knows how to play the game and is no one trick pony. Can’t wait to see him in our defense, Flores is gonna love this kid.

Jevon Holland was a bit of a surprise, I didn’t see that coming. If I were in charge, I would have made sure we got that first pick in RD 2 and secured Javonte Williams. I felt like Trevon Moehrig was universally considered the best S in the draft and yet here we were taking Holland really early, at #36. I think I like Piggy’s description best, “He’s Minkah without the Fuckface”. I can live with that. We may have missed with Iggy last season, or maybe he shows up big this year. We’ll see what happens with Holland, and see how much and where we use him. Hope he proves worthy of such a high pick.

Next pick just 6 picks later at #42 after trading up was Notre Dame LT Liam Eichenberg. Nice player, I kind of expected a center before an OT but see the need there as well. He will probably shift to RT and be in competition with veteran Jesse Davis. I hope he plays well and becomes a bookend with young Austin Jackson. Heck, I’m still concerned with relying so heavily and Matt Skura. I didn’t care for that signing and now at this point, we have to pray he’s better than he was with the Ravens. I respect the Ravens as an organization that runs a tight, buttoned down ship. If they make you walk the plank there, they probably made a wise decision. Maybe it was a wake up call he needed, or maybe they were right. Time will tell.

We took another OT at pick #231, Larnel Coleman. Our savior RB finally came in at pick 244, in Cincinnati RB Gerrid Doaks. Doaks is a big powerful runner, who fumbles. Not a great combination. We’ll see if this kid can make all the roster cuts. To me it’s a shame we waited so long to address this but such is the life of an NFL fan.

I don’t do draft grades. I think we greatly improved our WR corps, I think we gave our defense a huge boost in the pass rush department. We’ll see if Holland can make our secondary, which was already excellent, even better. Maybe we found our bookend tackle in Eichenberg. Once again, I expected to make a killing in this draft, I think we just got a graze shot. It was all anticlimactic for me after the Phillips pick. Decent picks, but nothing that pumped me up. I was expecting so much more, I really was. I know, this guy or that guy gave us an A+, great . . . I look at our RB’s and see two guys who are so similar they may as well be the same guy in Myles Gaskin and Salvon Ahmed. That’s not a bad thing, I like both of those guys, if they’re the 2 guys behind the stud. Well, no stud here friends, sorry, the draft was clean out out of top shelf talent by pick #35, because we let the Broncos jump us. With all that draft ammo, we should have been the aggressors and made it happen. Still smarting from that one.

Ultimately, a lot of our success, or failure lie in the hands of #1, QB Tua Tagovailoa. I think we got him a very nice player to work with in Jaylen Waddle. There’s synergy there already, and it’s good. He needs to have a guy he can rely on, a guy he has a rapport with and kind of understanding and unseen communication with. If DeVante Parker, Will Fuller and Preston Williams all are healthy this season, our passing game should be so much better. I’m still worried about the run game, with the 2 little guys (Gaskin and Ahmed) going down on contact every time. I know Malcolm Brown runs with more anger, but I he doesn’t impress me either. Maybe he will. Doaks is going to have to prove he can hold onto the football because if he’s running hard and fumbling easy he will be gone. Maybe Iggy Mahogany comes in this season better prepared and ready for prime time, and maybe Jevon Holland is the best safety in the draft and we look like geniuses.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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858 Responses to Miami Dolphins 2021 Draft haul

  1. ocalarob says:

    Did i mention Tua blows chunks?

  2. Mike E. says:

    You guys are awesome . . . But . . . It’s seems so obvious, at least to me, that the Broncos jumped us and stole Javonte Williams. So now we’re all supposed to nod our heads and just say we didn’t need a RB, we LOVE our guys that we have and never had any intention of ever taking a RB until the 7th RD because Gerrid Doaks was the guy we wanted anyway. So now, any contrary dialogue towards this end is taboo. Either you love the draft and accept the fact that RB wasn’t a priority or you will be shunned. C’mon guys, wake up! They’re not infallible, they just didn’t get the guy they were probably going to take at #36 because they got duped. That doesn’t make them stupid and it doesn’t make them smart either. I’d be willing to bet large sums of money that Williams would have been our pick if he was there at #36. OK, carry on ya bunch of conformers! lol

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Are you blaming what was done at 36 or 18 for not walking away with a top tier RB?

      When we passed on Harris we were toast

      I guess you can argue we could have traded up from 36 like we did for 50

      But this year the writing was on the wall IMO, once the rub run starts you better be in range

      I think we have to compare Phillips to Harris over a few years to decide if it was the right decision

      • Mike E. says:

        I would have traded up to the first pick of RD 2. Regardless, it’s not even a matter of blaming, it’s recognizing that we had a need before the draft, and that the need still exists. That’s all I’m saying. I hate the sentiment that if you think they didn’t fill a need that you’re wrong, they just didn’t feel there was a need. How can anyone believe that that watched our games last season? There’s a need alright, and I personally doubt if anyone currently on our roster filled that need that existed pre draft. That’s where I’m at.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I think the Dolphins and many other nfl teams don’t really value the RB position

        It drives me crazy what has happened to the position the last 10-15 years. If you would have said 20 years ago that using a first on a RB is crazy, you would have been laughed at – but now a lot of people say it. It is what it is. The game has changed, it will change again

        When you pass on RB at 18, they too this risk. Maybe it works out. Its worked for other teams

  3. steveccnv says:

    Does bringing in Hooker for a visit reiterate, that you can’t have too many DBs or the writing is on the wall for McCain or Rowe?

  4. New Age says:

    Mike,

    I agree with your thoughts but I also agree with Piggy. We just weren’t in a good spot to naturally get a RB at the value spot. I would have liked to trade up but they didn’t for whatever reason. Denver just won that battle. It sucks and they probably wanted Williams but at least we got a great player.

    Drafting is definitely hard. You have 31 other teams but what are their thoughts that day? Do they take extra risks due to the reduced season and reduced info? Will they panic? Take an off the wall pick? Trade up to steal your dude? It happens but at least RB is an easier to fill position. We won’t have elite but serviceable still works.

  5. The Flying Pig says:

    I wanted to come out of the draft with the first 4 picks being
    WR or Pitts), RB, OT, Edge in any order

    And we ended up with
    WR, EDGE, S, OT

    So it’s not a huge difference

    More than anything it’s important that the positions we picked are filled with good players
    Most of our picks are players i consider low risk. I am probably concerned about Phillips more than the other 3

  6. New Age says:

    Mike,

    The thing that still pisses me off is MFF. Slam dunk pick but the guy is soft and needed vindication and assistance to be great. That fuckface could have prevented us getting S at pick 36 but coach didn’t let me play the way I want!!! Cry more bitch.

    I’m now just hoping we crush it, get in the playoffs and have MFF watch the games on his couch

  7. D says:

    Mike, I think the move to take Phillips over Harris is questionable but I think maybe they didn’t value RB over DE. Maybe that’s a mistake, I dunno but we did net a good player imo. I do think they could have traded up in the 2nd to get Williams, maybe we tried but didn’t find a partner but the Broncos did and the jumped ahead and took Williams. To you point that RB wasn’t a priority, I think it was and we thought we would get Williams in the second. We missed out, it happens. I still think we have a chance to grab a vet and complete the rotation. It not like this was the plan but recovering from it isn’t that hard. Grab a vet on a 1 year show me deal, draft a guy next year. Not excusing not getting a RB but what can ya do but accept it and move forward.

  8. Mike E. says:

    New Age – my honest opinion is they would have liked and taken either Najee or Javonte at #36, they didn’t make it there. I agree with their priorities, WR and then pass rusher. No argument there. I believe that they felt there were 2 backs worthy of an early pick and when they were gone, they filled other holes. They didn’t want to take say Michael Carter because they didn’t feel he was an upgrade. It’s ok, sometimes you don’t get every position taken care of. It just bugs me that people feel the need to say it wasn’t a priority or the need doesn’t exist. It’s still there, plain as it was before.

  9. Mike E. says:

    Back to work now . . . Have a good one!

  10. sb7mvp says:

    Mike,
    Like I said yesterday or the day before, don’t let the flip-flopping know-it-alls get you down. Say your peace and then move on. They aren’t even bothering to read what you are saying or they lack the comprehension to do so. Either way, it’s clearly not worth the effort or the frustration.

  11. sb7mvp says:

    D,
    You know darn well nobody in Mississippi wears shoes, they don’t even have shoe stores in the entire state. Stop misrepresenting yourself. lol

  12. David Collins says:

    small towns in FL can be whack too

    the local ace hardware store, been there for 60 years or so,
    has signs on the door,
    shirts and shoes required
    No smoking
    Masks required

    and , Yup You guessed it, i saw a guy walk in with no shirt, no shoes, no mask, smoking a cigarette, lol

    • steveccnv says:

      Were you at least wearing pants

    • D says:

      You want to really see some stuff, go out to Baton Rouge and start heading to Lafayette, anout half way there, turn off on a road that you have no idea why it should be there since your on a long ass bridge crossing over the middle of a swap. This is probably one of only off ramps you will ever see ON a bridge. It disappears out into the swamp somewhere. Take that exit like i did once just to see WTF was down there and you will be pretty shocked as to the people you find living down there in a city surrounded by swamps.

      Alternately, you can also go down to Lafayette head to New Iberia Louisiana, and keep heading south until you hit the Avery Island (place where Tobasco is made) area, and see if you can understand anything those fuckers say lol, you will find people standing on what looks like a hollowed out tree log, called a pirouge (pee-row) no shirt, noe shoes, hopefully pants, and no teeth lol.

      Still i love this look at Americana. I’m not too good for these people, most the time they don’t like outsiders but i think its because they feel judged by them. These aren’t dangerous places, which understandably people avoid, but just some really weird time capsule of human evolution and the evolution of society. I highly suggest skimming past some of the rednecky stuff and finding some of the people who are maybe backwoods but their tradition come from all of our history, they seem hokey to us but its really interesting to see where society came from to appreciate where it is.

      • steveccnv says:

        Took an airboat ride outside Nola, the driver was about what you just described

  13. steveccnv says:

    Last 3 drafts
    2018
    Minkah -> Jackson
    Gesicki
    Baker
    Smythe

    2019
    Wilkins
    Deiter
    AVG

    2020
    Tua
    Jackson
    Iggy
    Hunt
    Davis
    Jones
    Kindley
    Strowbridge
    Ferguson
    Perry

    Not bad drafting, 2019 we didn’t have a lot of picks, but still got some quality

    • The Flying Pig says:

      That’s actually not so bad from 2018

      2017 was 🤮
      But 2016 has some pretty good picks too

  14. Phindog says:

    Ok.. I’m off to get my 2nd zombie shot 💉. Hope it goes well.

    • D says:

      I am really hoping this Zombie thing pans out, thank you for being subject 0 if that does work out for ya

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I get mine on Saturday
      Woop
      Woop

    • steveccnv says:

      My dad was in Walmart yesterday, pharmacist asks, if he was vaccinated, he said no, pharmacist says sit down…he got the JJ

      My brother got the JJ last Thursday.

      No side effects for either

  15. sb7mvp says:

    Piggy,
    Did you have go to see a Gastro-Interologist for that 2016 bout of being Farty for Duarte?

  16. ocalarob says:

    Mike E. says:
    May 5, 2021 at 9:33 am
    I would have traded up to the first pick of RD 2. Regardless, it’s not even a matter of blaming, it’s recognizing that we had a need before the draft, and that the need still exists.
    _______________________________________

    We addressed that need in F.A. with Malcom Brown, we also got Doaks. also with the OL we took in the draft. so to say that need still exists is way premature.

    Great pass rushers are way more valuable than RBs, without the concussions Phillips was ranked top 10 maybe top 5, best defensive guy in the draft.

    he played in miami so i’m sure this F.O. had a bead on him.

    I doubt Harris was ever a thought with this FO, too tall.

    I think Brown is a great addition to this team, what constitutes a great RB anyway, Drake certainly wasn’t that guy. Harris is a version of Drake.

    you need a guy that can get the tough yards and put you in 2nd and reasonable situations, Doaks & Brown are those guys. then you have guys that can take it to the house, that’s where Gaskin & ahmed fit in, a well rounded stable of RBs

    These guys make mistakes, the draft is a crap shoot but it’s way too early to say we won’t have a running game this year.

    I told you to throw away those Najee pajamas!

    • steveccnv says:

      Thing about this FO is they aren’t afraid to cut past mistakes or players that don’t fit today’s plan

  17. New Age says:

    D,

    I love that kind of stuff but wife doesn’t. She hated NO and I tried my best to add some Cajun activities when we were there with no success.

    Might get a traveling job in next few years so there’s hope I might get out that way.

    I love unique cultural aspects of different areas. It’s sad to see them dying everywhere.

    Talking about Deep South, you ever read Bre’r Rabbit stories? I loved those as a child.

    • D says:

      Yeah and im kind of pissed they changed splash mountain. That’s not racist, they are fucking animals for god’s sake.

      BTW you want to learn more about Irish folk stuff, you dont go to Ireland, though that would be a friggin awesome trip, you go to West Virginia. A lot of that stuff is still preserved in the rural areas of WV, with the “hillbillies” that still pretty much live the same way they did when they migrated here from Ireland. A lot of the traditions there are still the same.

      I travel a decent amount for work, well less now than before, but i try to take a piece of that history back with me every place i go. Our history and culture is being lost at an alarming speed, and i kind of wanna grab some of it an hold on.

      • CavalierKong says:

        That’s interesting. I had no idea about the WV/ Ireland connection

      • New Age says:

        D,

        I’ve seen some of the old Irish mining towns but the coal industry dying and drugs have gutted the communities I saw. Some truly sad places.

    • D says:

      Also, find it funny that those stories are from African descendants passed down from stories that first started in Africa, but yeah racist for anyone who wants to slap labels on everything without looking into it first.

  18. stangerx says:

    Among our moves this season:

    * we traded a starting G who could have played and only netted $3 mil.
    * we traded up in the 2nd replace him.
    * our trades included for a future 1st and 4th.
    * we drafted a S and TE even though didn’t need for 2021.
    * we did not draft a top RB we did need for 2021.

    Bottom line — Grier and Flores were thinking about more than next season.

    • D says:

      Ill be honest, we can do a lot better than Flowers, and Kindley is much better. Maybe they move him and move Eichenberg to RG or RT, and Hunt plays the other, thats a better OL in my opinion, so i look at it we got 3mil back and still upgraded.

      I don’t think TE or S need is that cut and dry, we in my opinion had needs at both. If you look at it from opening the offense up some, another TE (though i wish it had been more of a receiving threat kind) helps do that, and we are in an OK spot at S, we could have better for sure, but it seems like they want more out of the position.

      • steveccnv says:

        Holland future S, possibly current slot corner.

        I’d interchange Bobby with Holland early in the season to get the best combo of slot and S

      • stangerx says:

        Cost for the new line was $3 mil plus the 2nd round pick. Not chump change, but same time think the biggest value was Eichenberg’s rookie contract. Not going to have to pay Flowers $10 mil next year either, or get his replacement in the draft/FA.

        And am sure both Holland and Long will play. Q is how much.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Using that logic , it makes sense to sign s vet like Gurley or Bell on a one year deal

      Let’s see if that happens

      It doesn’t make sense not to sign an additional vet now, if you are thinking of next year

      I don’t think it’s very realistic to look a Myles Gaskin and think you are set through 2022

      • D says:

        I think thats the best thing to do. No long term deal, just a one year low investment, plan on drafting one next year

      • stangerx says:

        Actually using that logic (since it is mine)…. we may or we may not. Key thing was the future, but never said don’t care about next season. But the one-year deal fits with that.

  19. steveccnv says:

    One man’s trash…

    Gurley was on a really bad team in Atl, their line needs a lot of work.

    If they think he’s healthy enough, sign to 1 yr deal, and rotate all of them giving the most carries to the best one on that day, but don’t burn out Gurley in early regular season, keep him fresh for Dec and Jan

  20. steveccnv says:

    Schedule release next Tuesday

  21. bailbondmike says:

    I am still down we didn’t get a RB at #36 also but happy with our draft hall. I actually an optimistic about Gaskin in year 2.

    If Brown or Doaks don’t work out, there is always next year and some good big backs.

    First one being Isaiah Spiller, 6-1 225

  22. bailbondmike says:

    Then there is Breece Hall, 6’0 215, Iowa State

  23. bailbondmike says:

    Rounding out my top 3 to keep an eye on this year is Najee’s backup at Alabama:
    Brian Robinson, 6’1 228

  24. Marinofan13 says:

    Attention all internet sleuths…

  25. herdfan says:

    I’m hearing more and more that the worse your reaction to the vaccine, the better your immune response. At work, we’ve done our own unofficial analysis of it, men seem to have very little side effects. Women on the other hand have at least one day of feeling horrible. I’ve read that women seem to have better or more antibodies after being vaccinated so that goes along with our hypothesis. I’ve not had the 2nd dose yet, really looking forward to that! 😭😷

    • stangerx says:

      Not that you want to hear it, but fits with our experience. Better half had the flu for a night and me nothing at all. But either way man does it feel good once you are double shotted.

  26. Marinofan13 says:

  27. Marinofan13 says:

    I’ll never understand why people constantly bounce the weights off their chest while doing a free-weight bench press: it defeats the purpose of the workout, and it cheats the results. Perhaps the NFL should go to a ‘universal’ bench press, where players can’t cheat.

    Whenever I was doing a free-weight bench press, I did ‘neck presses’. That’s right… down to my Adam’s apple and back up. That way, people knew I wasn’t cheating. *ALWAYS HAVE A SPOTTER WHEN DOING THIS!!!*

    Not only was this free weight and off-center, but it made me that much stronger.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Imagine doing these bench presses the way these athletes do them (bouncing the weights off their chest), but now it’s coming down on your THROAT. Can’t cheat that way, unless you want a crushed throat.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        You’ve got to power on the up, and slowly power on the down, so as to keep the weight off your throat. MUCH more effective than these ‘bounce-presses’.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        Oh yeah… and one is going MUCH further down than one’s chest, when one goes down to one’s throat. That was 220 pounds for me back in the day.

  28. ocalarob says:

    which QB would you rather have,
    Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers?

  29. Rockphin says:

    Tua’s not good enough for us so we need to be the first team anyone mentions when a QB MIGHT be available, but then they always include Tua being traded to that team. SOOOOO he’s not good enough for us, but the other team would be fine with him.

    WE TODD IT! SOFA KING WE TODD IT!

  30. David Collins says:

    D says:
    May 5, 2021 at 1:51 pm
    Also, find it funny that those stories are from African descendants passed down from stories that first started in Africa, but yeah racist for anyone who wants to slap labels on everything without looking into it first.

    400 years of slavery, discrimnation, dehumanization, flint river water genocide, and police killings. yea, they got no reason to slap racist labels on it?, Millions of Americans that feel all Americans should be treated like Americans would strongly disagree

    • D says:

      Dude you missed the point…… Uncle Remus stories are damn originate in Africa, its part of African tradition, its not a put down. The whole theme of the Stories is wit out powering brawn, none of those characters are black or white, or any color. You like the people I’m talking about are reading race into it. Its not a racial, therefor doesn’t need a racist label. Do you even know the backstory of Bre’r rabbit?

    • D says:

      Also 400 years of slavery, your off by a ton, and Africans dont own slavery, its been a thing since the dawn of time, all races have felt it and all races have been involved in it. Educate yourself man, you dont seem to really know the things you stand for.

  31. David Collins says:

    alot of white Americans didnt feel it was racist to depict black children as gator bait, but for sure wouldnt have wanted their children fed to the gators
    maybe its best to treat others like We want to be treated, kindergarten lesson that many adults never got

    • D says:

      Gator bait was not a commonly used term, and certainly was not the reason being the now remove Gator bait chant. You do realize they do bait Gators when they catch them, and there is more than little black children used for it…

      I just did some quick research and the most modern article with reference to this happening was out of New York in 1908, Two black children employed by the Zoo there were sent into the pen with the Gators and Crocs to “bait” them into a different pen area. This is where the Gator Bait reference comes from, the UF were talking about the teams that came to play their team, the Gators and was not a reference to anything about black children.

      I mean yeah its an atrocity what happen at the Zoo but one does not connect to the other and people throwing labels around does that and its dangerous both to the people who had no evil intention when they made Bre’r rabbit, or started a football chant at a University, and its dangerous as far as hiding true racism in plain site.

      Stop snowflaking the hell out of these publicity stunts [people want to call activism and get down to the really nitty gritty. Make you life a life of change, not a life of labels.

  32. David Collins says:

    aaron rodgers is ancient, and impossible for him to be part of a rebuild

    hes more of a bandaid solution, to get You by for a year or two, Miami doesnt need him, nor could afford him without sacrificing other players

  33. bailbondmike says:

    Kevin Harris 5’10 225 is another big boy to keep an eye on this year. Has a decent top end gear once he gets there.

  34. D says:

    https://news.yahoo.com/diner-brandishes-gun-blm-protesters-083525905.html

    Just wont be happy until we start killing one another, what’s a protestor doing with a gun? I mean i understand both people had rights to carry a weapon but ones intent was to dine and the others intent was to be in a situation that is known to create strife. I mean you carry a gun in case you need to use it, and you hope you don’t have to use it, but one of those groups are a LOT more likely to be in that situation, nothing good can come from that. I also don’t agree with the dude pulling the gun, thats just bullshit because as my dad told me there is no reason to pull out a gun, much less point it at someone unless you need to use it and that guy didn’t need to and wasn’t that threatened by them.

    • David Collins says:

      yea i agree the crazy old fart was way out of line pointing a gun at people , SMH

      hopefully he gets arrested

      • Tim Knight says:

        People who intimidate others going about their lives should also be arrested.

      • D says:

        There was no right person wrong person here, IMO, only wrong. Pulling a gun doesn’t settle anything down, having a gun while “peaceful protesting” also doesnt. Should arrest both and let them spend some quality time in a cell together, with no guns to get in the way of their “peaceful” conversation lol.

  35. David Collins says:

    An American citizen is 70 times more likely to be killed by a policeman, than a citizen of England

    America is the worst nation in the world with human rights abuses, higher than all the nations of the world combined.
    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/

  36. CavalierKong says:

    Baltimore’s John Means is 2 innings away from a perfect game. We see no hitters a few times each year but perfect games are very few and far between.
    27 up, 27 down

    Last perfect game was in 2012

  37. stangerx says:

    Mando ranks our units from one to ten (or actually ten to one).
    Lot of love for the D.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/rating-dolphins-position-groups-team-185852581.html

  38. CavalierKong says:

    3 outs to go.

    This is the Orioles vs the Mariners, two teams I couldn’t give less of a shit about, and I am on the edge of my seat nervous watching this, lol

  39. CavalierKong says:

    Well it’s over and now I’m confused. They’re calling it a no hitter, where it was being labelled a perfect game till a moment ago. I’m looking at the stats. It looks like Means maybe had a wild pitch earlier in the game and it must have been on a 3rd strike which is why the baserunner doesn’t show up. That’s all I can think of

  40. bailbondmike says:

    Biden or Harris have yet to visit the border. However, Biden did visit a Taqueria today. Maybe he thinks that qualifies as a visit to the border. lol

    • D says:

      I heard he just stayed at a La Quinta and called it a day, but maybe he double downed by visiting the Taqueria.

  41. twicethethe says:

    ORob – if you’re around possible Starship hop in a few minutes:

  42. D says:

    Means should kick the shit out of that catcher for not getting in front of that shit.

  43. stangerx says:

    Factoid of the Day — Bob Hayes is the only man with an Olympic gold medal and a Super Bowl ring.

    Bring that up cause DK Metcalf is in a US Olympic qualifying 100 meter race on Sunday.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Wow surprised the Seahawks would allow him to do that.

    • D says:

      I guess Jim Thorpe must have never been on a Superbowl team. First person i thought of when you mentioned Olympics and football.

    • D says:

      One of my UF guys had a chance for it a little while back, Jeff Demps. Screaming fast but maybe a little too small for football overall. He has the gold medal, but didnt last in the NFL long enough to get the Superbowl. Hurt him in football because they did like Tim was saying and wanted him to not do his Olympic stuff and football.

  44. D says:

    Damn, over 150 UF Students or Coaches have participated in the Olympics and the majority of them have medaled.

  45. pheloniusphish says:

    Are done talking about running backs yet?

  46. Tim Knight says:

    What do you guys think of this pre-season 53 man roster? I think it’s close but you never know with injuries and a surprising camp and preseason from a player or two.
    https://www.thephinsider.com/2021/5/5/22418041/2021-nfl-draft-review-a-look-at-the-miami-dolphins-roster-and-53-man-projection

  47. pheloniusphish says:

    D/Mike – You guys like cigars. Having a good one right now. fouetté Libre, hand rolled Dom Rep. pairing nicely with a mid-priced bourbon.

  48. pheloniusphish says:

    I’m beginning to feel like Rhino. I get on, everybody leaves.

  49. Marinofan13 says:

    Not trying to be political…

    In the few months that the COVID vaccine has been available, more people have died due to the vaccination than any other vaccination in history… we’re talking about a few months, here. Nobody knows what the long-term affects of the vaccine will be, either, being it was rushed to the market without legit study, due to the media scare.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      That’s some pretty seriously scary stuff, to be honest.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        Many THOUSANDS have died, due to the vaccination… and again, it’s only been a few months. How many more will die as time goes on?

      • stangerx says:

        Why haven’t the many thousands of deaths from the vaccines hit the news?

    • Tim Knight says:

      COVID and vaccines should not be political.

      But if you wanted to be a conspiracy theorist on weeding out a lot of the population this is how to do it. Not saying this is what you’re saying or that’s what it’s about, just that this would be a way of doing it. Nothing surprises me anymore and I’ve lost a lot of trust in people of power. 😦

      • stangerx says:

        Why spend all that money and effort? If the government wanted to kill people all it has to do is put something in the water supply. Over half the population has gotten at least one shot. Why Covid deaths and infections are going down so much.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I was just being out there, that’s all. When you tell people they must get vaccinated to fly or attend sporting events etc., you’re basically controlling them. Very 1984ish.

  50. ocalarob says:

    ORob – if you’re around possible Starship hop in a few minutes:
    ——–
    Yep saw it stick the landing

  51. Marinofan13 says:

    stangerx says:
    May 5, 2021 at 8:37 pm
    Why haven’t the many thousands of deaths from the vaccines hit the news?
    ——————
    That’s a rhetorical question, of course.

    • stangerx says:

      Not in the least rhetorical. There were 4 or 5 deaths from the J&J vaccine and it was headline news for days.

      Or maybe I should have asked how do you know?

      • Marinofan13 says:

        Back to football for me, Bro, but I’ll tell ya this… a co-worker of mine died recently in a car accident… he had the COVID shot. Now think about that…

      • stangerx says:

        I’m sorry your co-worker died in a car accident, but don’t see the connection to his Covid shot.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Stanger, he might be fuckin with you. 😉

    • stangerx says:

      Well if he didn’t want to talk about it he shouldn’t have pulled the comment from above down. But I’ll live either way….. especially now have my two Covid shots. 🙂

  52. Marinofan13 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    May 5, 2021 at 8:47 pm
    I was just being out there, that’s all. When you tell people they must get vaccinated to fly or attend sporting events etc., you’re basically controlling them. Very 1984ish.
    ————
    ^ BOOM!

  53. Marinofan13 says:

    Apologies for even mentioning the COVID vaccine. I can already see that it’s become political here.

    Back to football for me.

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s not a big deal. Just as COVID caught the world off guard, the vaccine has a very small sample size of results. That’s where we are.

      As for football, check my fuckin link above about a pre-season look at the 53 man roster. LOL

  54. Marinofan13 says:

    stangerx says:
    May 5, 2021 at 9:07 pm
    I’m sorry your co-worker died in a car accident, but don’t see the connection to his Covid shot.
    —————
    Thank you, but it was but a mere analogy, or an ‘Aesop Fable’, if you will.

    My co-worker died in a car accident, and he was counted as a COVID casualty.

    Do you understand me, my Brother?

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Do you understand(!) what I’m talking about? It’s become political.

      • stangerx says:

        Get now you changed from vaccination deaths to Covid deaths. Seem two different subjects but thanks for explaining.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        Two different subjects, you say? I don’t know about that.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        There is cause and there is effect. The media is confusing us, intentionally.

      • stangerx says:

        Cool enough M13…. your right to believe as you want. What makes the world interesting.

      • Tim Knight says:

        The problem is media overload. Many people are vulnerable to indoctrination.

        This isn’t an anti-vaccination statement. Just saying we need to get away from all the mediums out there from time to time to clear our heads. It’s too much.

  55. Marinofan13 says:

    stangerx says:
    May 5, 2021 at 9:26 pm
    Cool enough M13…. your right to believe as you want. What makes the world interesting.
    ——————
    I’m just sayin’…

    If they called a hangnail as a COVID death (CDC had), then when one with a hangnail died after the COVID shot, fair is fair.

    FUCK the ‘new science’, FAIR IS FAIR.

    And as a natty scientist, I’m calling BS on liberals.

  56. Marinofan13 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    May 5, 2021 at 9:30 pm
    The problem is media overload. Many people are vulnerable to indoctrination.

    This isn’t an anti-vaccination statement. Just saying we need to get away from all the mediums out there from time to time to clear our heads. It’s too much.
    —————-
    YES!

    • Tim Knight says:

      We’re becoming very tribal and less independent. Conformity has its place but not in everything. We’re supposed to be individuals not subjects.

  57. manitobafinfan says:

    34m ago
    Tim Knight says:
    May 5, 2021 at 8:47 pm
    I was just being out there, that’s all. When you tell people they must get vaccinated to fly or attend sporting events etc., you’re basically controlling them. Very 1984ish.
    ————
    ^ BOOM!

    Only reason I am getting it sooner than later …

    Rolling things backwards here for another 4 weeks to ZEro household or Yard guests as the vaccination finally gets available to my age group .. case counts going through the roof…

    And no plan to open either provincial or international borders anytime soon… we can only travel 90 miles East, 60 miles South, 200 Miles West , or 700 miles North , north gets us nowhere fun …

    And as Stanger ( I think) said above , there is no history on these vaccines.. we don’t know what SHORT term effects there will be never mind long term …

    I am not a conspiracy theorist. Nor am I anti vac… but being strongly hinted that won’t be able to travel without it, yet given ZERO timelines to look forward to pisses me off.

  58. manitobafinfan says:

    FYI we get our shots Saturday

  59. Tim Knight says:

    M13, you ever hear Portishead? I think you’d like them. Listening to them now.

  60. Phindog says:

    Wow.

  61. Mike E. says:

    Phelon – I know you think I’m just sour, but I’d be willing to bet my house that if Javonte Williams was there at #36, we were taking him. The fact that the Broncos jumped us almost proves that. It’s not that we didn’t want to take a RB high, I think they felt safe once the Jets passed, they didn’t see the trade up by the Broncos coming. I don’t think our season is over because we didn’t upgrade at RB via the draft, I just don’t think we’re going to have a strong rushing attack because we didn’t upgrade. That doesn’t mean we can’t be a good team, we were good last year w/o a strong run game. We just could have been that much better. Maybe next year we’ll address it. The way I see it, I feel like we’re a legit contender, it’s nice to have a RB that teams need to gameplan for, especially when you’re making a playoff run or you’re in the playoffs. Team with great rushing attacks and great defenses are tough opponents. I felt like we’re at that point where that RB who can close out a game for us could help us win a playoff game or two and then who knows? It’s not just assigning blame or knocking the FO, although I did wish that instead of sitting at #36, that they traded up to #33 and made it happen.

    • manitobafinfan says:

      I was hoping for the trade to Day 2 pick one to get Williams as well

    • Tim Knight says:

      That’s a fair assessment. I thought RB would be priority too and if Denver jumped us for Javonte Williams so be it, that’s the draft. But if we can block better and RB by committee can consistently get 3-4 yards, break some chunk runs, convert short yardage and be a factor in the passing game, that might be enough.

      You know who Gaskin kind of reminds me of, Bernie Parmalee. Not great but better than expected.

      • Mike E. says:

        Of course Tim, better O-line play will help the run game, but a better RB will also help the O-line look better. Who knows, maybe we take a flyer on Gurley or Bell or maybe there is a back cut that we pick up and has one last great season. We’ll see.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes but I think we’re past that unless someone has a crazy season we didn’t see coming. It looks like a committee approach at the moment.

      • manitobafinfan says:

        I’m hopeful Malcolm Brown turns out better than Howard and Brenda did … and FTR, STOP GETTING JORDANS….

      • manitobafinfan says:

        Meant Breida , but Brenda fits LOL

  62. CavalierKong says:

    https://sports.theonion.com/it-s-him-or-me-says-unhinged-aaron-rodgers-demanding-1846829102

    “At press time, Rodgers fueled trade rumors by following the Broncos’ custodial staff on Instagram.” LOL

  63. manitobafinfan says:

    Wow Capitals/Rangers 100 penalty Mins in 1st period, 3 sets of players drop the gloves at opening face off

  64. Tim Knight says:

    Toba, I think Brown can be the physical back when we need it. Maybe Doaks too. Get physical when we feel we need to. Hammer a defense a bit, short yardage situations, catch a pass here and there and pass pro which both are good at. They might only have a 3.2-3.4 YPCA but if it’s productive in game situations, they did their job.

    Why can’t we envision Gaskin and Ahmed being better in 2021?

    • manitobafinfan says:

      Agreed Brown was no slouch when he played last year . Rams just played musical chairs with their backs week to week … Gaskin and Ahmed have a year under their belts and hopefully an improved line in front of them .. they SHOULD improve… I still wanted Williams 😊🤷‍♂️

  65. Mike E. says:

    Eh, Brown was probably the least impressive of the trio of Akers, Henderson and Brown. I’d take either of the other two over Brown. He’s OK at best. The only thing that makes him even slightly appealing is he runs harder than either of the two guys we have. Those guys are both complimentary guys, not feature backs. Can they get better? Sure, but neither of them is going to be breaking tackles left and right, that’s not how they play. It doesn’t matter, we brought in Howard and Breida and Gaskin and Ahmed were better than either of those guys. I expect much the same this year. Maybe Doaks surprises me, that would be fun, but I’m not counting on it.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Gaskin and Ahmed run hard, but they’re not big guys. Saying that they don’t run hard is not accurate. You probably mean they can’t run anyone over.

      Malcolm Brown is a vet who knows the game and can play important roles in a physical nature. You’ve got to flip to the committee approach or you’ll drive yourself crazy. 😉

  66. Rhino says:

    My wife and I own a pediatric clinic… so I have to ask (considering all the ‘vaccination’ talk recently on this site)…

    Is there any among you who has NOT had all of your vaccinations for “childhood” diseases? Not a trick question, but foundational to what John Hopkins study has learned about Covid vaccine opinions.

    I sincerely want to know if there is anyone here who has never been vaccinated. As for me, I remember being in grade school in early 70’s, lined up outside waiting for a vaccination from something that looked like a gun. lol. So, question stands. I’ll wait to find out and then address this issue from what we experience daily at the clinic!

    • manitobafinfan says:

      I remember the “gun” you speak of as well as a sugar cube coated with some sort of Meds as well, I believe that was Polio ?? May be wrong

    • Tim Knight says:

      You taking about that multi pronged shot on the shoulder where the scar has dissipated over time we all had to get for polio or smallpox?

      My issue is there was a trust back then that isn’t current anymore.

      • Rhino says:

        That’s the one. :). And there are some excellent reasons about “trust” that have nothing to do with the science. I’ll save it until there are more responses. While our responses are not unique to human nature, it doesn’t make it less real. It’s just “our turn” whether we like it or not.

      • Tim Knight says:

        My problem with “the science” is it’s inconsistent. Like biology. If a person identifies as a gender that they’re not, it must be accepted. Though “the science” refutes that.

  67. manitobafinfan says:

    I turn 58 next month , don’t remember parents fearing any diseases… But yes Tim The big ass circle scar on right shoulder … I am not one to get the yearly Fly shot either , I get two severe colds per year , one in October and usually another around XMas .. ironically last 20 months I have not been ill at all.

    • Rhino says:

      Because people were wearing masks! 🙂 Flu season at our clinic is $$ cuz kids lick everything, touch everything, drink out of anything … Instead of 40 cases of flu per day, we documented maybe 5 per month. Flu doesn’t kill like Covid, but it does cost the economy some ridiculous levels of $. But how many of us say, “ah, its just the flu, I need to go to work” … and thus we have ‘flu season’. Covid also taught us how to keep flu from disrupting our lives. Year round my wife has me on “flu season behaviors” like going to grocery store and skipping crowded isles (then circle back when it has thinned out) … keeping distance … I was READY for Covid protocols. LOL.
      I can see people wearing masks during flu season in the foreseeable future.

      • manitobafinfan says:

        I will admit , I’m a “ I ain’t dead I will go to work” person … I don’t avoid crowded aisles, and will drop mask wearing as soon as I can. That’s just me …. I am very cognizant of my surroundings though , and take others into consideration when I am smoking , or if a cough/sneeze fit hits.

  68. manitobafinfan says:

    My wife finally got her Dr to see me and oh goodie my Blood sugars are out of whack too high .. so yesterday got prescription for meds to help control them , and Covid shot planned for Saturday.. reading the literature on the meds Janumet , sounds like that shit can mess me up .. gonna wait until Monday after Covid to start them

  69. Rhino says:

    Tim,
    “the science” around immunology, while complicated in the short-run, is actually quite stable in the long-run. It’s simply a manipulation of evolutionary adaptation. Many Infant/Toddle vaccines are delivered over as much as 24 months in 4 shots: environmental stress – human response … that’s how immunity develops (obviously). The science here is actually fundamental. The trick is the viability of the vaccine, which is the reason for the clinical trials.

    Moderna had 80% of their vaccine in place before Covid ever developed. It was expected. Previous Saars viruses had provided a foundation. By Feb 2020 (before we’d admit that it was serious) the full vaccine was developed. The rest of the time was for clinical trials. Politicians do not get credit or blame because there are scientists who do this every day without the slightest concern for elections and societal perceptions. I will leave your gender analogy alone, simply because it isn’t needed when discussing immunology.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I agree, you helped make my point. “The science” in today’s world is an agenda, not science. Psychosis and immunity are not the same.

      • Rhino says:

        “in today’s world” is a public perspective, not the perspective of the scientific community. So, I disagree, I did NOT help you make your point. 🙂

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes you did so eat a piece of cake and STFU!!! LOL

        Perspective is the problem, it has nothing to do with “the science”. It’s emotionally based.

      • Rhino says:

        Plus, if you think scientists are intentionally ‘fudging’ their work to make a political point, then you may be the one who is seeing the world through ‘political colored glasses’ … or ‘fear that the world is too political’. There are people who work beyond their politics.

      • Rhino says:

        Dude, real science is not a ‘perspective’ OR ’emotional’. However, how that science is ‘reported’ or ‘interpreted’ IS a perspective and/or emotional.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I never said politics. People conform to a way of thinking and if you question it you’re now a hater because of emotional abuse. That’s primitive stuff. It’s not progressive. It’s a void of common sense.

        People who are attracted to same sex is okay with me. That’s how they feel. Who are we to bash their life experience? But a vagina and a penis is nature. Sorry that’s how you were born. Utopia doesn’t exist.

      • Rhino says:

        Um, I thought I made myself clear … immunology and sexual attraction are two separate issues that should not be equated (which seems to be what you keep coming back to). ISOLATE immunology and the science related to it … we don’t need to draw comparisons to other ‘scientific debates’
        “how you were born”? … “utopia”? what the hell does that have to do with immunology and Covid?

  70. Tim Knight says:

    Rhino, isn’t evolution science? Maybe someday we’ll be able to change our DNA as we choose.

    By the way, you used the word “perspective” first. Nanny nanny poo poo! LOL

    • Rhino says:

      First, thank you for breaking the ‘Reply’ thread. My introduction of the word ‘perspective’ was clearly not to suggest that science is a perspective.

      you are referring to:
      “in today’s world” is a public perspective, not the perspective of the scientific community.”

      the ‘perspective’ of scientific community is data … whether they like the data or not. I have done several educational studies, and more than once the data proved my hypothesis wrong. That has value. We don’t do studies with the absolute intention of proving a hunch. Proving something wrong has tremendous value because it eliminates that path of discussion.

      I think it’s time to eliminate your path of discussion. You are clearly trying to win a semantical battle.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Nope, I see life for what it is and have no human tribal attachments. It’s never a battle for me. We’re all going to die at some point.

        If you want to push your intellectualism, go for it. I’ll still rely on what I see and what I’ve experienced. Lots of people think they know how to cure utopia, and I find that humorous. It’s been going on forever. That’s why humans are still primitive. Emotion is a wonderful empathy, but it’s not always reality.

        So what do you think about the Phins RB position? LOL

    • Rhino says:

      “what you’ve seen and what you’ve experienced” … only applies to you! Your personal experiences can not be generalized to the world as a universal truth. That is the exact OPPOSITE of the scientific process (= start with generalizations and eliminate options until there is a likely, predictable outcome).
      Ahhhh now I get your football posts. They aren’t as much about football as they are about questioning the ‘flawed process’ of the person who posted a comment. Only took me 10 yrs to figure this out. I think I will mull this over with my “intellectualism” (bad word!).

  71. Tim Knight says:

    Rhino, you jumped in when I said this. You tell me what the convo was about?

    Tim Knight says:
    May 6, 2021 at 12:27 am
    My problem with “the science” is it’s inconsistent. Like biology. If a person identifies as a gender that they’re not, it must be accepted. Though “the science” refutes that.

    I guess what I’ll say from here, is science what a human wants it to be?

    • Rhino says:

      Tim, don’t press the brakes in your car … don’t type on your keyboard … they both exist because of the same scientific process you are trying to undermine.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’m not undermining anything. I think most humans are pompous and greedy more than realistic. It’s okay, that’s who we are. Everyone wants to be awesome but most of us are not. Live this life, die and move on.

    • Rhino says:

      You can say you are not undermining… it doesn’t change the undermining. Sell it elsewhere. 🙂

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’m not selling anything, it is what it is.

        We’ll just be dead people in history times who had something to say or make some kind of an impact. But like every other life form, our human history has been diluted by the delusions of grandeur. Humans are pompous and will be another part of the history of time on earth.

      • Rhino says:

        OK, you post Abbey Road to someone who has Sirius 18 on exclusively (no, really, I mean exclusively).

        “You had me at Come Together” (wait, that sounds nasty)

  72. Rhino says:

    Rhino vs Tim

    Well, that was a first. LOL. Vote Now on who ‘won’ this late night, leopard vs cobra bizarre dual. Either way, your vote bullshit because you are biased. 😉

  73. pheloniusphish says:

    My vote goes to Rhino for breaking out the null hypothesis.

    Rhino, I remember the shots, but I didn’t get all of them until I joined the Marines. Measles and polio (that was the sugar cube, I believe) for sure. Smallpox (that’s the one that left the circle scar on your shoulder and was administered with multiple little pin pricks) I didn’t get until boot camp. The Marine Corp inoculated me against everything known to mankind. Anthrax, tetanus, diphtheria, cholera, hepatitis, you name it. Then there were the anti-malarials and, during the gulf war, the experimental pill that no one knew what was for, maybe nerve agents. And of course preemptive antibiotics was a fav – Ask BBM about the gamma globulin shots in the ass. Fun times.

    As for the zombie shot, I got my first one last week. There was going to be no marital harmony unless I did. I didn’t particularly care one way or another and left to my own devices probably wouldn’t have got it out of inertia. I also have never had a flu shot, but them I also never get the flu or even colds.

  74. pheloniusphish says:

    Mike – I’m just busting your balls about RB. Even though none of the top three were elite….

    • steveccnv says:

      Because we had 5 picks in the top 81, and no picks in 4-6, but the fact remains we got a lot of talent

      • pheloniusphish says:

        He only counted the 1st 150 picks and it was the average per pick that counted.

  75. ocalarob says:

    I don’t get the attack on our running game, i believe Flo is trying to stretch the field with speed at the rec position and power at the RB position, he wants to spread opposing Ds apart. A winning scheme.

    we have our 20 rookie class OL going into their 2nd year, we added depth to that group and we added two powerhouse RBs.

    what he seems to be doing is IMO a recipe for great success

    • steveccnv says:

      Mike thinks he’s Veruca Salt

      I want a ball
      I want a party
      Pink macaroons and a million balloons
      And performing baboons and …
      Give it to me
      Rrhh rhhh
      Now!

      I want the world
      I want the whole world
      I want to lock it all up in my pocket
      It’s my bar of chocolate
      Give it to me
      Now!

      I want today
      I want tomorrow
      I want to wear ’em like braids in my hair
      And I don’t want to share ’em

      I want a party with room fulls of laughter
      Ten thousand tons of ice cream
      And if I don’t get the things I am after
      I’m going to scream! 😉

  76. ocalarob says:

    no way does Najee fit that scheme, if we did miss on Williams so be it, Grier says differently though.

  77. ocalarob says:

    Flo wants to line up Brown and impose his will on defenses, when they load the box he kills them with Waddle and Fuller.

  78. ocalarob says:

    note the size of our OL, Hunt & Kindley, note the power of Malcom Brown, this is the enforcement part of the plan,

    note the speed of Waddle & Fuller, this is the stretch part of the plan.

    Flo wants to pull opposing D’s apart.

  79. bailbondmike says:

    Phelon, yeah, I was the evil one with the needle. Gave thousands of shots. Smallpox was a pain in the ass. They had stopped giving it for a while in boot camp. Then there was an increased threat of smallpox through biological warfare and had to give it to those who had not gotten it before. Anthrax was a painful SOB in two ways. The 3 shot series made it hard to keep everyone on the right intervals and it was the most painful shot it had ever gotten. Typhoid was the most frequent we had to give you (outside of the PPD test) as it required a booster every 3 years. Those of you who retired, your immunization record was probably 3 pages long. lol

  80. steveccnv says:

    “Like there’s some plays I actually have to read o-linemen, watch the pull – that happens fast – and at the same time, focus on my tight end in case it’s a pass play. So that’s probably the most difficult thing for me, was trying to pick up on the run game, try to understand fronts because now I’ve got to understand what front is our d-end in or the d-line in,” said Rowe.

    We look at tape to see the talent level of players before the draft, but there’s a lot more that goes into playing in the NFL, that we don’t consider or talk too much about and why it takes rookies time to settle in, if ever.

    For example, Holland wasn’t the top S in the draft according to most. All things considered maybe he was tops on Grier’s board, because of his versatility playing slot and returning kicks.

    I don’t know enough about the assignments in college to know how the mental part of the game might transfer to NFL.

    Before Minkah was drafted we heard about his film study, so was pretty sure he’d do well in the NFL in that aspect, but it’s not something we hear too much about.

    All the more reason to trust the process

  81. steveccnv says:

    Kong, with 5 games to play the Blues need 3 pts and/or 3 missed Kings pts to clinch.

    Kings schedule 4 vs Colorado, 1 vs STL.

    Might as well mark it up, even if the Blues lose all 5, no way are the Kings winning 3 games against Col.

    With the Sharks beating Col last night we’re still on pace to face you guys in rd 1, but I think it’s going to go to to our game against Col to determine the division

  82. Rhino says:

    McCain has been released. They do indeed love Holland.

  83. bailbondmike says:

    This is why I think the vaccination passport or the requirement to have it in order to attend sporting/other events is BS.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/the-shock-and-reality-of-catching-covid-after-being-vaccinated

    “In data released Thursday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that at least 5,800 people had fallen ill or tested positive for the coronavirus two weeks or more after they completed both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine.”

    “These so-called breakthrough infections occurred among people of all ages. Just over 40% were in people age 60 or older, and 65% occurred in women. Twenty-nine percent of infected people reported no symptoms, but 7% were hospitalized and just over 1%, 74 people, died, according to the CDC.”

    “manufacturers have warned loudly and often that the vaccines are not 100% protective”

    “Pfizer and Moderna versions have consistently been shown to be above 90% effective, most recently for AT LEAST SIX MONTHS.”

    “Research suggests the current vaccines may be somewhat less effective against some new variants.”

    “In Washington state, for instance, eight variants were detected in the genetic sequencing of nine breakout cases (meaning in people who had received vaccine) reported through April 3.”

    • steveccnv says:

      I can agree to a certain extent, one being they should test for anti bodies before giving the shot and if positive, you should get an antibodies passport, which should carry the same weight.

      However with time, money and politics involved I can see why they just have vaccine passports.

      It is what it is, everyone that gets the vaccine won’t be protected, those that don’t are on their own

  84. Rockphin says:

    This move (releasing Bobby McCane) now make Davante Parker the longest tenured Dolphin…..

    Think about that while you are pondering disinformation

  85. Rockphin says:

    By releasing McCain, the Dolphins will save $5.7 million of his $7.4 million in 2021, per overthecap.com, and save about $6.6 million in 2022, the last year of McCain’s contract.

    Even with McCain gone, the Dolphins still have in their safety room 2020 starter Eric Rowe, Holland, 2020 third-round pick Brandon Jones, CFL import Nate Holley, Brian Cole and special teams captain Clayton Fejedelem.

    • D says:

      Like it or not the name of the game of fielding the best team possible is moving on from players you feel have brought about as much to the table as they can and bringing in new blood to be the future and hopefully bring more. Falling in love with a player is stuff from days past.

  86. D says:

    pheloniusphish says:
    May 5, 2021 at 7:19 pm
    D/Mike – You guys like cigars. Having a good one right now. fouetté Libre, hand rolled Dom Rep. pairing nicely with a mid-priced bourbon.
    ——————————————————————
    Looks like i had missed this earlier. I haven’t had one of these actually, looked them up to see what they offered and it looks like a nice cigar. I really like the one they call the Bushwhacker I like a dark bold cigar.

  87. Rockphin says:

    So Malike Hooker was visiting the Dolphins the other day. Do you think we will here about another signing later today or tomorrow?

  88. Rockphin says:

    Boy, I wouldn’t want to be a team captain for the Dolphins…..Last seasons captains; Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ted Karras, Bobby McCain, Kyle Van Noy, Elandon Roberts.

    Only Roberts was brought back and it is questionable how much he will be able to play.

  89. Rockphin says:

    First Round
    San Francisco 49ers’ selection (2021 trade back)
    Second Round
    Miami Dolphins’ selection
    Third Round
    San Francisco 49ers’ compensatory selection (2021 trade back)
    Fourth Round
    Miami Dolphins’ selection
    Pittsburgh Steelers’ selection (2021 trade back)
    Fifth Round
    Miami Dolphins’ selection
    Projected: Compensatory pick (DL Davon Godchaux)
    Sixth Round
    Miami Dolphins’ selection
    Pending: New England Patriots’ selection (Isaiah Ford trade)
    Seventh Round
    Tennessee Titans’ selection (Isaiah Wilson)

  90. Rockphin says:

    Remember to root against the 49rs this season!

  91. sb7mvp says:

    One thing about this regime is they aren’t afraid to move on when they are ready to do so.

    • D says:

      Its a business, you can love a player but have to be real about your evaluations of cost to perfromance because money is the resource and players are the commodity. You have to spend wisely, buy low, sell high.

      • D says:

        Like i was saying before, emotional connections are for the fans, and even we have to learn to understand that this NFL isnt the one where we saw players make a career at one place. QB’s are pretty much the only position you are likely to see that and we can see even that is coming to a close.

  92. steveccnv says:

    I thought Bobby was safe for the first time in 3 years, the last 2 I thought they’d move on.

    7 career ints, 3 the last 2 years and plays too deep, not much of a tackler.

    Not great numbers for a FS in a Flores system.

    I expect to see either Hooker fill his role or a combination of Jones and Holland, with Holland also playing some slot.

    Holland might be in different positions and play most D downs.

    Hope we don’t Minkah him and slow his development

    • bailbondmike says:

      Reason he played to deep, IMO, is Bobby lacked speed to close/recover in the deep end of the field. My only knock on him. He has really good short area quickness which is why he was successful covering the slot. He was our anti-Edelman for a few years and did well. They had some serious battles. I wish him well but we needed to upgrade.

  93. bailbondmike says:

    Like it or not the name of the game of fielding the best team possible is moving on from players you feel have brought about as much to the table as they can and bringing in new blood to be the future and hopefully bring more. Falling in love with a player is stuff from days past.
    ——————————-
    I agree. Bobby gave us his all and appreciate that. Even though I was a homer and after I saw they were not going to move him back to slot, we needed to upgrade.

    I appreciate everything he did for us.

  94. steveccnv says:

    Addition by subtraction

    Save cap space and put a better player on the field

    Based my Rowe quote above, not sure he is the guy that will be calling the formations for the DBs

  95. steveccnv says:

    McCain hasn’t been released yet, so there’s still a chance someone wants to give us a 7th for him, before he becomes an FA.

    Not that it really matters, but he’ll inevitably be gone soon

  96. steveccnv says:

    Wonder, if team leadership isn’t an issue like we’ve seen in past generations, as someone stated above all but 1 Capt is gone.

    Fitting what Flores wants to do seems more important

    • D says:

      Team leadership is important, but more because you need an on field leader that gets that all players doing their part beats the sum of a couple studding out. Maybe team captain isnt rare to find on a team full of team first oriented players, therefore plenty could fill the role.

  97. stangerx says:

    With McCain gone, there is a chance that all of our first 4 draft picks start (if you count slot WR as starting).

    If that ever happened before on this team been a long while.

    • D says:

      I think ya miss the point about our Receivers, there is no assigned player to a specific place. You are gonna see him in the slot, on the boundary, in the flanker role All of those previous concepts of WR’s and peing an X, Z, Slot, or whatever is old stuff. This is true for TE’s now too, they will be in the traditional Y but also as a flanker, boundary, H-Back, etc

      • D says:

        Hell its true on the other side of the ball, LB is no longer WOLB SOLB, etc etc, its LB and you put them where ya need them.

      • stangerx says:

        I get they will move him around a bunch, but what should I call his position…. just Waffle? 🙂

      • steveccnv says:

        Follow the logic Stanger just WR🙃

      • stangerx says:

        Still have a feeling that gonna be a huge difference btwn where Parker WR and Waddle WR typically line up. Was thinking Waddle would be a Bowden who often slides out wide and runs more deep routes.

    • steveccnv says:

      Yeah, you usually don’t get 4 picks top 50.

      Last year we had more picks early and often, but filled less skilled positions, so the results weren’t easily apparent, this year hope to see them hit the ground running

  98. steveccnv says:

    In next years draft we’ll likely have an extra pick in the 3 rds we didn’t pick in this year 4,5,6

  99. stangerx says:

    McCain didn’t have a bad year (from Bary Jackson)
    ————————————————————
    McCain comes off of a very solid season. In his 503 coverage snaps, McCain was second best in the league in passer rating against (27.5).

    Players in McCain’s coverage area caught only 5 of 10 passes for 56 yards, no touchdowns and an interception. Only Tampa Bay’s Mike Edwards had a lower passer rating against among all NFL safeties.

    Overall, Pro Football Focus rated him 54th among 92 safeties. The fact McCain was ranked 60th as a run defender partly explained why he wasn’t graded higher. But because McCain often was deep downfield, he obviously wasn’t expected to stop the run near the line of scrimmage on those plays.

    • steveccnv says:

      He’s like a shortstop, that makes 1 error on the year, but has no range, now compare that to Ozzie Smith that had an incredible range, but made 5 errors.

      McCain played so deep that everything was in front of him, guys would catch passes, 5 minutes later McCain would come over and watch the tackle

  100. sb7mvp says:

    D,
    I don’t really have any sentiment towards players unless it’s my namesake, and I understand the business. Good or bad, we just aren’t used to seeing such decisiveness in Miami from the F.O. and coaching staff. I’m guessing they are doing it so the guys can land spots quickly, but I would have liked to at least see people get beat out in camp before being released. This regime seems to know what they want and I guess they don’t need to see the competition to make the move. I don’t waste time following the cap or the dead money rules, so I’m not sure if they could have released him later and had the same or better cap savings. Like I said, we aren’t used to seeing such decisiveness in our FO. and it’s surprising.

  101. Rockphin says:

    To Stanger’s question of whether you consider a slot WR as a starter, it does come into play because if the player doesn’t line up on the first snap of offense or defense then they are not logged as a “starter” Depending on which formations are used on the first offensive or defensive snap for each team some players will not be considered a starter. Nickel CB and slot WR are both examples of guys that may get more snaps than the “starters” only because of the “traditional” formations used on first down. (O-rob’s antiquated 3 yards and a cloud of dust on first down) The whole premise is wrong because MOST teams pass on first down. Last Season Baltimore was the team that ran the most of first down. They did it at a rate of 51% of first downs. NE was next at 42%

    MOST teams in the league ran on first down less than 35% of the time. (almost 2/3rds passing on first down)

    • steveccnv says:

      Starter at most positions on the Fins doesn’t matter, it’s all about snap count and production.

      QB, OL, DB the rest rotate. You could add WR, because the starters play a lot, but so do some that don’t

    • stangerx says:

      Ultimately the snap count matters far more, but starter or not is the kind of simple designation most fans care about. Seems most players do as well.

      • steveccnv says:

        Don’t think the players care, unless it affects their next contract.

        The fans that care are jr fans😁

      • stangerx says:

        Being a starter might not impact their next contract, but sure as hell might their jersey sales and endorsements.

    • bailbondmike says:

      I think we may be more in the middle this year unless we get ahead of some teams early then we may run more on first down.

      • Rockphin says:

        Those are the first down stats. Almost every team ran the ball at a higher rate over all (jacksonville ran the least at 33.8% of the time so it shows that teams run MORE on 2nd & 3rd down than they do on first.

  102. bailbondmike says:

    Re: The article Tim put up about the final 53. I know it was projected and we still have TC and PS to go through, but I was surprised the author listed DT Adam Butler as an odd man out.

  103. stangerx says:

    May 14-16 — rookie minicamp
    June 15-17 — mandatory minicamp (everything else is voluntary till the big camp).

  104. stangerx says:

    Jaelan Phillips will wish you a happy birthday for $45 on Cameo, or at least would before he got drafted. If he’s still game I’d pony that up at D&Bs. 🙂

  105. Marinofan13 says:

    Stanger,

    Remember the dialogue we had a few weeks ago about Bobby McCain? Can’t say I didn’t see it coming, as you’ll recall, and it came down to his $$$ vs production. Drafting Holland sealed his fate, unfortunately. I really like McCain and I wish him much success in the future.

    • stangerx says:

      Knew he was on the bubble, but didn’t expect us to draft a safety up high. If Javonte Williams was there at #36 McCain might not have gotten let go.

      They sure as heck were going OL with the other pick in the 2nd. Probably would have come down to what they think about Brandon Jones. We do a lot of 3 safety sets though.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        I didn’t expect a Safety that early either, but McCain’s $$$ put on him the bubble. I’m going to miss him.

      • stangerx says:

        He excelled at slot. The switch might have screwed up his career. But one thing for sure is his contract was more than his play…. otherwise would have been traded. We’ll see what his next one is.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        Yessir! That’s what I said a few weeks ago, too, that he excelled in the slot. I absolutely did NOT like moving McCain to Safety… and this is coming from your resident Secondary enthusiast.

        Me too… I hope it doesn’t end up screwing up his career. That’s a great observation on your part, man.

  106. bailbondmike says:

    M13, have you heard of Anthony Vincent on youtube?

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Never heard of him before now! WOW! He’s pretty darn good! The only one I thought he butchered was Notorious BIG, but he killed the rest of ’em. This guy needs to get PAID!

    • Marinofan13 says:

      This guy is SUPER talented! Thanks for sharing!

      I’d like to know if he makes his own music, though: impersonations can only take one so far. He seems to have the talent to make his own album of original music without impersonating. Great voice, great tongue, great fast, great slow, and clearly brilliant.

  107. D says:

    sb7mvp says:
    May 6, 2021 at 1:27 pm
    D,
    I don’t really have any sentiment towards players unless it’s my namesake, and I understand the business. Good or bad, we just aren’t used to seeing such decisiveness in Miami from the F.O. and coaching staff. I’m guessing they are doing it so the guys can land spots quickly, but I would have liked to at least see people get beat out in camp before being released. This regime seems to know what they want and I guess they don’t need to see the competition to make the move. I don’t waste time following the cap or the dead money rules, so I’m not sure if they could have released him later and had the same or better cap savings. Like I said, we aren’t used to seeing such decisiveness in our FO. and it’s surprising.
    ——————————————————
    I agree, but it may have been a clearer answer to them than it may be to us. If it wasnt clear im sure that’s the route they would have gone. They have seen what McCain has to offer over a couple years now, they know what the other guys have, minus the rookies. My guess is they know how its going to end up and just made it now because its better for both parties to move on earlier than later.

    • D says:

      Also, wasnt really targeting you with that comment made about fans and players, it was just a more general statement of how we (myself included) view players, and how the league in general views them.

  108. Marinofan13 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    May 5, 2021 at 9:50 pm
    M13, you ever hear Portishead? I think you’d like them. Listening to them now.
    ————–
    First time I’ve heard of Portishead, and I find their music to be fascinating. Gotta admit, it’s VERY dark, not necessarily my flavor, and it’s different… yet, there’s something about it I really appreciate.

    Most of my music is played in minor keys, giving it a real dramatic feel… perhaps that’s what I dig about Portishead, only most of my music is at 100 BPMs or slightly greater, taking the ‘anguish’ out of the song: I sense much anguish in Portishead.

    Portishead to me is like the slow ride up the big hill of a roller-coaster… mine is like the fast rush down the big hill of a roller-coaster. In short, I can dig it. Thanks for sharing, Tim!

  109. Tim Knight says:

    So good ole Bobby McCain was released. Well he had a nice run as a 5th round pick. He was a good Dolphin. Wish him luck as long as it’s not against us.

  110. stangerx says:

    Guess we’ll see how deep “solidarity” runs.
    ——————————————–
    “Players union announced that Dolphins players “stand in solidarity” with their peers who are skipping voluntary in-person workouts this offseason because of health and safety concerns.”

    And then…..

    ** DeVante Parker has a $100,000 workout bonus.
    ** Albert Wilson and Jesse Davis have $75,000 workout bonus
    ** Jakeem Grant and Allen Hurns have $50,000 workout bonuses.
    ** Xavien Howard, Emmanuel Ogbah, Eric Rowe, Zach Sieler, Adam Shaheen and Clayton Fejedelem have $25,000 workout bonuses.

  111. Mike E. says:

    Gonna miss good Ole Bobby Mac

    • The Flying Pig says:

      That’s actually how the song ends

      🎶 🎵 🎶 gonna miss good Ole Bobby McCain 🎶🎵🎶
      🎶🎵🎶do doo doo🎶🎵🎶

  112. The Flying Pig says:

    Al you guys are nailing the lyrics

    🎶🎶🎶Wish him luck as long as it’s not against us.🎶🎶🎶
    🎶🎶🎶do do doooo🎶🎶🎶

  113. stangerx says:

    Yeah that is Mel Blount’s son.

  114. The Flying Pig says:

    🎶🎶🎶He’s like a shortstop, that makes 1 error on the year, but has no range, now compare that to Ozzie Smith that had an incredible range, but made 5 errors.🎶🎶🎶

    🎶🎶🎶do do doooo🎶🎶🎶

    🎶🎶🎶McCain played so deep that everything was in front of him, guys would catch passes, 5 minutes later McCain would come over and watch the tackle🎶🎶🎶

    🎶🎶🎶do do doooo🎶🎶🎶

  115. The Flying Pig says:

    🎶🎶With McCain gone, there is a chance that all of our first 4 draft picks start (if you count slot WR as starting).

    If that ever happened before on this team been a long while.🎶🎶🎶

    🎶🎶🎶Do do dooo🎶🎶🎶

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t think Waddle is just a slot guy but in today’s game if you’re part of a 3 WR set that’s starting.

  116. The Flying Pig says:

    🎶🎶🎶We have signed tight end Jibri Blount and released safety Good Ole Bobby McCain.🎶🎶

    🎶🎶🎶do do dooooooo🎶🎶🎶

  117. D says:

    That Anthony Vincent guy does a spot on Micahel Jackson and Frank Sinatra an surprisingly does a great Enya too lol

  118. Ken says:

  119. Marinofan13 says:

  120. Marinofan13 says:

  121. Marinofan13 says:

    With the signing of Jason McCourty, I’ve the feeling we’re not going to pay the hooker who stopped by the other night for a visit.

  122. Tim Knight says:

    I think Jason McCourty also brings some tutelage for the young DBs in how to play in our system.

  123. Marinofan13 says:

    I’m still not over Shock G’s death, dammit. Here’s a vid I saw many moons ago, and just rediscovered it today. He was an extraordinarily compassionate man (I knew this, but I want y’all to know it).

    FUCK CANCER!

  124. stangerx says:

    Works the opposite in football and baseball.
    A guy like Willy Mays goes from center field to first base.
    A guy like Jason McCourty goes from CB to center field.

  125. Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, we’re not going to know if we made a mistake at RB until we see them play. Maybe the committee approach works out just fine. I think the OL improving has a lot to do with it.

  126. steveccnv says:

    Which McCourty? The really good one or the average one

  127. bailbondmike says:

    Interesting signing of Jibri Blount. He was a basketball player wanting to give the NFL a shot. Camp fodder for now.

  128. Ken says:

    I think we want a roster of 53 CBs

  129. Marinofan13 says:

    Are you guys ready for the cicadas? Can’t believe it was only 17 years ago.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Over here in NEPA, we get them BADLY. I was wondering if they affect you where y’all live.

      What’s up? Do they affect you where you live, fellow bloggers?

      • Ken says:

        They were out 17 years ago in Connecticut but not as bad as in other places

      • Marinofan13 says:

        17 years ago for me, they were more annoying than anything. 34 years ago, I came back to the NEPA area, and I swear you could NOT step on one. It was BAD!

        Those mofos are hella ugly, to boot.

        If I were to make a sci-fi movie?: Cicada Vs Dobson Fly!!! 😀

      • Marinofan13 says:

        You know who’d win, of course…

  130. New Age says:

    I’m going to put on my Sour Mike shoes for a minute. I really don’t like this signing for a lot of reasons.

    Old CBs are like old RBs. They’ve lost a step and Father Time doesn’t give them back. McCourty didn’t have great stats the past three years and McCain had better ones last year. McCourty had one year in Flores system, McCain has had two. If they actually use him as a CB, he will get torched. He’s a safety at this point in his life.

    I don’t think McCain was great but I don’t understand just letting a dude go and picking up an inferior or similar option as his replacement. They say he is a good locker room guy. Does that mean McCain wasn’t? That’s’ the only reason I can understand this signing. Someone help me out.

    Might as well let Denver draft in front of us at this point.

    • steveccnv says:

      He’s an aging vet looking for a job, his old buddy Flores said, we’ll sign you for vet min, come see, if you can earn a job (speculating)

      • New Age says:

        Yeah, it just seems weird to go with a really old dude when you had the same guy but younger on your roster (basically).

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I would have stuck with the known commodity in McCain

  131. Marinofan13 says:

    Seriously, these mofos are HUGE in my part of PA. Some of them are actually the size of pterodactyls, I swear! They fly away with small children when you’re not looking…

  132. Ken says:

    McCain was not big enough to be a safety and not good enough in coverage to be a corner. He was a good backup/nickel cb. Not sure McCourty will be anything different

    • New Age says:

      Same size as McCain but a lot older. It makes little sense to me.

      • Ken says:

        But he has better coverage skills. To me it is a wash. Neither figure in the team’s long term future and the current level of play is probably even

  133. Tim Knight says:

    I’m not sure McCourty even makes the team. I think he was brought in for his knowledge of the system. I thought he retired so that’s what surprised me about the signing. Maybe they want an on the field coach in camp and the preseason to get the young DBs up to speed. Maybe he then transitions into a coach.

  134. Marinofan13 says:

    Guys, it was all about $$$. Stanger and I had both agreed that McCain was on the bubble due to his $$$, and his production didn’t match as much.

    McCourty will bring more leadership and the “Patsie* way” to the team… it’s as simple as that.

  135. Marinofan13 says:

    Pig and Ken,

    The first episode of “The Bad Batch” was REALLY GOOD! I hope y’all either saw it already, or will see it soon! I approve!

  136. CavalierKong says:

    Steve, I’m confident the Blues will get that spot. I’m also confident we can’t beat you guys in a 7 game series unless we are at the top of our game AND we get some breaks to go our way. But I’ll be glad to make the playoffs, and if we can get a couple of wins and make you sweat it out a little bit, I’ll consider that a win, lol.

  137. CavalierKong says:

    The big question for the Dolphins this year is can you field an entire team made up of DBs, WRs, and TEs? lol

  138. Tim Knight says:

    Regardless of what you like and don’t like about what we did in the draft and offseason, the one thing I see is Flores wants to be dominant on defense. Jaelan Phillips is a huge addition. He’s like adding a DeMarcus Ware type player on the edge. We didn’t have that; 6-5 260, athletic, fast and strong.

    If you had to pick a base, I’d lean this way.
    DE Ogbah 6-4 275
    NT Davis 6-6 330
    DE Wilkins 6-4 315
    OLB Phillips 6-5 260
    OLB Van Ginkel 6-4 245
    ILB Baker 6-2 230
    ILB McKinney 6-4 250
    CB Howard 6-1 200
    CB Jones 6-1 200
    SS Rowe 6-1 200
    FS Holland 6-1 200

    I’ve read some stuff where McKinney is not just viewed as an ILB, he can move around just like Baker. This defense can get to another level with starters and depth.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I can’t wait to see this defense on the field. It may have the potential to be the best D we’ve fielded since the early aughts.

    • Tim Knight says:

      The pundits keep saying this is what our OL will be.
      LT Jackson
      LG Kindley
      C Skura/Deiter
      RG Hunt
      RT Eichenberg

      That said, not sure yet about that because we have options, but it’s a starting point. TC will figure this out.

      The one thing we’re seeing now is more depth than we had last year.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Eichenberg reminds me a guy the Pats would draft. He just steps in and does the job. He’s known as a technician not so much a dominant figure. Do your job.

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