After drafting Safety Jevon Holland with the 36th pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, that may have just sealed Bobby McCain’s fate as a Miami Dolphins player. Good Ole Bobby McCain spent the last 6 years with the Dolphins as a defensive back playing CB outside, quite a bit inside in the slot, and both safety spots, FS and SS. I always liked Bobby McCain but he doesn’t fir the Flores prototype, at 5’11, which I believe may be generous. I always defended him here, he played with a bad shoulder and always gave his all, so I appreciate what he did on the field for our team, even it wasn’t always top notch play.
After releasing Bobby McCain, Brian Flores plucked another familiar face off the FA scrapheap in former Patriots S Jason McCourty. McCourty will be 34 years old at the start of the 2021 season, so I’m not sure how much playing time he will get, but he’s a consummate professional who knows how to play the game, and his position. Jevon Holland can learn much from his professionalism and pick his brain so to speak. McCourty is a 12 year veteran who played 8 years with the Tennessee Titans who drafted him in the 6th RD of the 2009 Draft. He then played 1 season with the Cleveland Browns and the last 3 with the New England Patriots.
If you’re interested, here’s a partial listing of running backs available . . .
Todd Gurley
Kerryon Johnson
Rex Burkhead
Le’Veon Bell
T.J. Yeldon
D’Onta Foreman
GO DOLPHINS!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
First and We don’t need no stinkin’ RB!
Jason McCourty started 11 games for the Pats last year. Still some tread left on that tire.
Kenyan Drake please! He’s just what we need to make the defenses respect this running game!
I don’t disagree with you, but he actually outrushed both Gaskin and Ahmed last season, 955 yards to 903. 10 TD’s – 6 TD’s
Drake signed with the Raiders. Thought had heard he signed and yep he had.
I was looking at the list wrong. I think about half the guys I listed aren’t actually FA’s. lol
You want a RB bad. Like the guy dying of thirst who sees an Oasis from the top of every hill. 🙂
Fournette signed with TB.
Stanger – I wouldn’t hate a 1 YR deal with one of the guys above. There also might be some cuts, so there may be a few more guys that are available.
I would go all in on Gurley. He’s still so young. But guess comes down as always to the price. Like Bell the runner, but not Bell the person. He’s selfish and toxic. No way Flores goes for that.
And like you say…. there will be cuts.
i’m thrilled with the prospect of our running game, i’m a huge malcom brown fan. and the beef up front.
we will impose our will against opposing Ds
Is it his less than 1200 yards over 6 seasons that excites you or his 4.0 YPC average?
it’s his avg YPC 10 yards or less that has me thrilled.
It’s called winning
LOL – Is that what that’s called?
What did you think about Jordan Howard when we signed him? Seems your type of guy as well.
he didn’t perform, he’s not my type of back.
it’s all in the numbers, what is the avg yards gained on 1st down less than 10 yards.
if a RB can avg 4.0 yards per carry with that criteria we will contend.
i have seen Brown run, he runs with great authority.
still has to perform so we shall see.
I’m not convinced we need another RB, certainly won’t be Gurley, this coach doesn’t like RBs over 6′ tall.
we’re good at RB
Q was what you thought of Howard when we signed him, he had the numbers in his history then. But really was just making the point that you never know.
With all the WR/Gesicki threats not as sure as you we need that bruiser. Spread out the D and that creates space for the smaller backs.
D says:
May 7, 2021 at 11:56 am
Depends on the purpose of the exercise. If its for a workout, yeah you are right, target is supposed to be the upper half of the pec controlled movement, in fact its best to not even touch the chest, stop just short.
My workouts use to include halves and fulls, i called them 7’s because thats the number of reps i did of each. It was 7 half reps that were just locking outie half way down to full lock out of the elbows, then ones that were from just the chest to half way up, finishing with 7 fulls. You would more muscles in isolation if you do it that way. I also did my curls this way.
Still when they do the competitions and are going for number of reps, they use the bounce to help extend their mucles and keep them from fatiguing. I don’t like it either, but if they did it more controlled, they wouldnt get as many reps.
Another trick, just depending on the muscles you want to target, is to widen your grip. A lot of times my sets were also staggered, narrow wide narrow wide on my hand placement to get more chest on some and more tri and back on other.
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Agreed with all of the above.
D says:
May 7, 2021 at 11:58 am
Oh and those machine presses myight help prevent the bounce aspect, but they are not as realistic to strength as the free weights which show more of a total upper body strength, and not just specific muscle groups which the universal machines tend to isolate more.
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The way I see it, so long as everybody is graded on an equal level (without the free-weight ‘bounce’ cheat), I’m good with whatever measure used. I like the idea of a universal machine to that end, but I understand exactly what you’re saying.
Keep the D guessing, that’s the winning formula.
And keep the O guessing, as well.
True that, or don’t keep them guessing and execute what you want to do and either of those formulas work.
Can they show some highlights that aren’t against the D-less Cowboys?
stangerx says:
May 7, 2021 at 1:08 pm
Here’s a Q — when we go with 4-3 will Phillips be at DE? And I’m not talking when he moves up pre-snap.
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I would think so, especially in 3rd and longs sits. In our ‘base’ 4-3 (for lack of better words…I know, we run a base 3-4), I’m not sure. I want to say yes, being he was pretty good at stopping the run at the collegiate level. We’ll see…
Phillips can do both and did in college.
100% agreed, but I think(?) Stanger was wondering if he’s going to be a starter at DE for us in the 4-3, opposite Ogbah. I haven’t the answer, being Phillips is a rook.
The hope would be YES, IMO… but he may not be up to the task as a rook on early downs. JMO
Oh. I don’t think it matters. It’s not so much about starting, it’s about snaps played.
3rd and long we use no down DL everyone stands up amoeba D
Don’t remember seeing much, if any, 4-3 on 3rd down
M13 — thanks for the answer but seems neither of us knows for sure. And could be with Phillips we use less 4-3 cause he can always move up and put his hand in the dirt. You have a 4-3 then.
Yup! And I can all but guarantee ya, Phillips will be ready for full-time 4-3 DE duties by 2022, if that’s how we want to use him. It’s just a big leap from college to the pros… hence why I haven’t the answer for this year.
you are either running or passing on 2nd down, if you are in 2nd and 9, chances are the D knows you will be passing and they will play pass which makes it difficult to move the chains.
if you are in 2nd and 5 and just powered up the middle for 5 yards on the ground the D has to play up and has no idea if it’s run or pass. they have to stop the run, opening lanes for our Waddle.
it’s all about moving the chains and maintaining possession.
it’s very hard to do when the D knows you have to pass. on the other hand if the play book is wide open it’s easier to move those chains.
Football 101
why do you think we’ve been drafting these heavy guards and power backs.
I’m all for running up the middle for 5 on every first down. But your set up was a one-yard gain on first down, which almost certainly was a run too. Seems the other option was failed pass and 2nd and 10. All for a better running game.
kinda don’t know what your saying however, we won’t get 5 yards every time we run on 1st down, the key is to avg that.
we won’t even run on first down all the time.
early in the game you have to impose your will and run on 1st down,
later in the game when things get out of hand you may abandon the run
Thought was pretty clear that all for five yards on first down — “I’m all for running up the middle for 5 on every first down. ” Includes averaging that. Big task is making that happen. Seems if you run every time on first the box is stuffed.
1st down is the most important down, if you can avg 4 yards on the ground on first down you will be a contender.
this is the reason why we drafted Doaks, got Brown and drafted these huge OL. to impose our will on 1st down.
Brown reminds me of Burkhead, not flashy, not great stats, can’t play him in fantasy football, but everytime you turn around he’s doing something, that pisses the other team off, because they can’t stop him
stangerx says:
May 7, 2021 at 3:04 pm
Q was what you thought of Howard when we signed him, he had the numbers in his history then. But really was just making the point that you never know.
With all the WR/Gesicki threats not as sure as you we need that bruiser. Spread out the D and that creates space for the smaller backs.
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I’ve seen Brown run, was not a big fan of Howard as i didn’t watch him much, that said Brown could disappoint as well.
it’s what they are trying to do that impresses me, getting Howard, Brown, Doaks and drafting our OL all equates to a power running game.
as for Gesicki, he kills the run game as he can’t block.
when he’s in there he telegraphs the play, D’s know we are passing.
i believe that’s why we drafted the T.E.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we traded Gesicki, i’m sure this is his last year in Miami.
Gesicki became a much more proficient blocker for us last year… and that was during the COVID off-season. I wouldn’t write him off just yet.
*during = after
He’s going to get a LOT stronger this offseason.
Gesicki ain’t part of your run game for sure. Put up stats the other day and he only lines up on the line like 20% of the time at snap time (so post-motion). Someone has to cover him that can’t try to stuff the run though. Sometime two someones.
This is also true.
And seriously, I saw a breakdown of Gesicki’s improvement from 2019 to 2020, regarding his blocking prowess. He’s gotten much better, and he personally has stated that he is a willing blocker who seeks to improve his game in that regard.
Why the hell would we trade Gesicki?
I have NO idea, either! LOL
ORob, apologies if that sounded mocking to you. I just can’t see trading or cutting Gesicki, AT ALL. He’s quite possibly the most consistent pass-catcher we have on the whole team. He’s a STUD.
I hope we re-sign him.
He’s in a contract year and we just drafted a TE in the 3rd. Whether trade or in the next FA period…. someone like Dan Snyder might want the next Kelce. Every player has their price.
It’s what teams do, when they feel they can’t resign a player in the last year of a contract, cheats do it all the time
I hope that’s not the case with Gesicki.
I hear ya Steve, but Gesicki is one helluva TE. I’d re-sign him.
I agree, and would like to resign him too, but its a business and not just a cutest kitty thing, so play vs contract demand have to match
As for the 4-3, I think we use it when we feel that’s the best alignment against certain formations or opponent. But no doubt we have transitioned into more of a LB based defense. And like Steve said, on 3rd and long we use that Amoeba look where the offense has no idea who’s doing what.
Those cover zero amoeba D film studyvare great. They make Flores look like genius
Tim Knight says:
May 7, 2021 at 3:44 pm
I hope we re-sign him.
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+10000000000000000000000000000000000
I do as well, but what if another team offers him say $18 million? Or tmrw offers us 2 firsts?
I just looked up Mike Gesicki’s Catch Rate: 62.4%
Don’t like it, but then I just recalled all the ‘hospital balls’ and errant passes (he got one finger on the ball) thrown his way. That’s a very misleading stat, Pro Football Reference. Do better.
We finally get that TE that can eat up a defense with his receiving skills in the seam and anywhere else and now we want to let him go? I don’t care what kind of offense you have, you want a TE like Gesicki!!!
I agree. There are some players that actually do deserve a second contract. Not every player do we draft and then 3 years later draft their replacement. You have to keep some core players.
That being said, it would be best to re-sign him before FA, Stanger has a point about someone opening up the bank for him.
Agreed with both Mike E and Bookman!
Hope is we lock down Gesicki early, but there is always……
stangerx says:
May 7, 2021 at 3:49 pm
He’s in a contract year and we just drafted a TE in the 3rd. Whether trade or in the next FA period…. someone like Dan Snyder might want the next Kelce. Every player has their price.
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Yeah, I get all that… I do. But quite honestly, I’m NOT impressed with Hunter Long. Methinks we took him to add to our ‘Ace’ formation (that’s ’12-personnel’).
In other words, I don’t believe we drafted Long to replace Gesicki… I believe we drafted Long to open up our Offense even MORE. I’d be more concerned with Long replacing Durham Smythe than anybody else.
As for every player has their price… you are quite correct. We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.
stangerx says:
May 7, 2021 at 3:52 pm
I do as well, but what if another team offers him say $18 million? Or tmrw offers us 2 firsts?
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What if’s? All a possibility. We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. I’d re-sign him NOW.
Could not be more of a Gesicki fan and hope we re-sign before he becomes a FA. Or if he hits FA that we sign him then. Just setting out the reality of it. Yeah there is a situation where would not keep him, and it is not even an unlikely one.
We tend to look to replace someone every time we add someone. There is also such a thing as adding more talent and becoming a better and deeper team. Just saying.
Yep!
Gesicki is in a contract year. Unless we do something he is not on the roster next year. Just the cold hard truth of it.
The writing is on the wall for gesiki. Contract year. We drafted a te and he telegraph our position.
At this point we’ve left our options open on him, come back or don’t. Gesicki gets to decide based on contract demand, but by drafting Long it puts us in a good negotiating position
No writing on the wall. But yeah a big reason to bring Hunter Long in might have been insurance as to what happens with Gesicki.
We need a gronk. Someone who can catch and block.
I don’t disagree, man… but that’s a unicorn. Vernon Davis was a stud like Gronk, too. They don’t come around very often.
We may have drafted him
As for our RB situation… (!)
I will forever go with MY model: 2 scat-backs and 2 power-backs… with a heavy preference that they all can receive fairly well, and at least 2 of the 4 can pass-protect fairly well.
I’d love to sign Todd Gurley to a 1-year ‘prove it’ deal, and put him in our rotation. We have no need to have an every-down RB.
We either trade gesissy or dump smythe. I think we keep shaheen
Or we keep a bunch of TEs because we like to play 12 personnel.
BOOM!
That’s what I think, too.
Right now scythe is the odd man out unless they can deal gesicki
Smythe. Damn auto correct
Or not.
He would have been a good addition to our stable of RBs.
I said that yesterday but knew he’d be claimed before us.
Onto what’s next on the menu @ the RB position.
FL Gov Ron DeSantis has forbidden businesses from asking about Covid status. World’s 3rd largest cruise line is thinking about no longer sailing out of Miami. Unless the Gov gives in this would crush the South Florida economy. And who is he to tell the cruise lines what to do? Miami is only one stop on the trips.
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During an earnings call on Thursday, Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings CEO Frank Del Rio threatened to take the company’s ships elsewhere if Florida won’t allow the company to require COVID vaccinations for passengers and crew.
Coming days after DeSantis signed a bill that bans businesses, schools and government entities in Florida from asking anyone to provide proof of a COVID-19 vaccination, Del Rio’s remarks were a clear and public rebuke to the governor.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and you don’t like it.
Don’t remember you having a problem with the commie governors locking everything down, when there was no evidence to back it up
So you are for the end of the cruise industry in Florida? What was before was mitigation of virus spread are the measures these companies have adopted.
Why do you take so much glee in this? Surely you know how important the Cruise industry is to Florida.
I’m going to regret getting into this, but I feel Steve is 100% correct. Can’t have it both ways, and I tried to illustrate as much two nights ago.
Furthermore, the CDC came out the other day and stated that there were ZERO (0%) reports of flu over the last year. However, the COVID reporting matched every single year of the flu — over the last 2 decades — including the death rate. Can’t make this stuff up, see.
It’s a hoax, y’all. Look at the numbers, and tell me otherwise. Hey, I got a 4.0 at Penn State when it came to science and human biology… I’m not fooled by this ‘new science’, or whatever the fuck they want to call it. My contacts (who are to be respected), agree.
I mean on one hand, i don’t think he has a right to tell the cruise industry what they do as far as safety measures to protect all passengers onboard. Seems like it shouldn’t apply to the cruise ship businesses. I can see not allowing it for some other business as its kind of a form of discrimination, but the cruise industry has a right to restrict it.
People pretty much have to agree to it to take the trip so its not like its sprung on them last minutes when they get there. Restricting a leisure cruise is much different than say all grocery stores in and area saying you cant come in uless you have had your covid shots. Essential, etc i can see it, luxury cruise, no.
There also really isn’t a solid line of control here, those companies leave out of some porta but they don’t necessarily operate out of that state. People go online to purchase tickets, or through a booking agent, were those Florida businesses? I don’t see the sphere of control here.
Personally i hope they are as strict with their policing of people who get off at certain ports too. Not letting them take the cruise because they aren’t vaccinated and being cavalier about letting them off and do whatever the fuck they want to just because they are, seems pretty wishy washy. This vaccine still has not been vetted to prevent people from getting it and bringing it to others.
What is both ways? Why can’t you be for DeSantis keeping businesses open and against him closing down the Florida Cruise industry? Should he crush the economy cause the cruise lines want to do things their way? Last I checked the government wasn’t supposed to do that.
“This vaccine still has not been vetted to prevent people from getting it and bringing it to others.” — yes it has D. Are you saying the vaccines don’t work when large scale studies have shown 90+% effective? Also shown to stop spreading, even if more recently.
Anything predictable is bad, including running on 1st down. They key to obscuring what your doing is running different plays out of the same set. The lineup of players out of the same set just wipes away any advantage they might have. You watch and you will see the Pats, who are masters at this, have maybe 3 or for lineups and all their plays come out of those lineups. Its play camouflage and it works very well. Down and distance does also help the D guess better about what type of play, but even if they do, which of the 10 plays we run out of that lineup, run or pass will it be, they still cant get a bead on it with down and distance making it more likely to be one of the other.
I would think most teams do this.
The cheats seem to do it more, the announcers talk about it often during cheats games, don’t remember hearing it said about other teams having so few formations.
Most teams run on first down early. They want to establish the run. I don’t know what the percentage is but you can bet they run more on 1st down than they pass. That would only be in the first half. It may change in the 2nd half depending on the situation
And defenses know this. They are situated to stop the run
Any fact checkers out there. What is the percentage of running plays vs passing plays first half only
Id say league wide you are right, but im talking the Pats and how they are setup as a better model of confusing defenses than just hiding what your doing on 2nd down by winning on 1st downs. I do agree with you, you need to be in a more confusing 2nd and 3rd down situation because it offers ya the ability to take big shots downfield on those downs and if its not there drop ca check down and pick up the first. I bet though, if you check the Pats, it way off league average, i know with Brady they threw on 1st a fuck ton. They just take a different approach to the game, and yeah other teams do it too, but im serious when i say they may have 3 or 4 formations, tops, and they run 50 or 60 different plays out of those same looks
ORob
According to this article, in 2015, the ration on first down runny pass was a really slight edge for run. Actually 50.4%.
https://offcoverage.com/examining-play-call-tendencies-on-first-down-a9f18d9adfa8
I think teams are passing like 60% of the time on all downs these days
I may have missed why this is being brought up – What’s your point?
His point, at least from what i read into it, was that we need to establish better down and distance through a good running game on first down and this will help make our offense less predictable. Which i mean i think has been his point since the RB arguments started many moons ago lol.
Teams pass on any down quite a bit these days. I think the teams who run the ball well is because it’s working so they keep doing it. If you’re struggling to run the ball you pass more. I think it’s as simple as that.
The line is blurry one whats a run and pass too, i mean a screen is used in place of running the ball a lot, you could argue its nothing different than a Jets sweep since you are utilizing a WR from behind the line. Those changed the numbers a bit.
The screens to RBs have been around forever. The Jet Sweep is a pretty modern thing though
WR screens Mr Smarty pants.
Hell TE screens too for that matter.
V = 5
3 = the cup is ‘fuller’.
3/5 = the cup is ‘fuller’
Does any low know how to make a “T” a “W” or turn “NN” to “DD” on a jersey?
I also need an “L” to be moved from the end of jersey to the second to last letter and for the complete removal of a “HIL”
Take them all off and use a marker and some stencil lol
“A 23-ton piece of a Chinese rocket will crash into Earth this weekend” — NY Times
I had PLANS this weekend! LOL
It’s gonna break up coming into the atmosphere
Yup! You and I know that!
Shock-G at his finest… making everybody think…
Just think about it… we’re all lucky.
Look at our cap space in 22
Incredible! And job well done by our FO.
Seems we are looking good, but part of that is all the one-year contracts.
That’s the idea. You want your young players to step in and move on from the one year vets. Also looks like we’ll have plenty of money to re-sign Gesicki. 😉
Man are the Texans stuck in the mud. Yikes!
Pigster,
WATCH “The Bad Batch”! It’s really good, man!
I’m meaning to check it out
“DO IT!!!”
So in order to be less predictable against defenses that are situated to stop the run we should consistently run on first down?
You do that and get your 5 yards and 2nd and 5 is a good place to be. Opens up the options on second down. Even if they are expecting the run you have a brute RB with a massive OL to make it happen. Least that is the theory.
D, sorry didn’t realize you meant WR screens. I know every team in the league does it but it’s one of my least favorite plays.
My wife just swatted my nose with a newspaper for dragging my ass across the new rug.🐕
LOL….
Ut oh! LOL
The lab I grew up with used to tear the heck out of the garbage. She’d have a great time till we saw it. Then she’d look guilty as heck and run down stairs into her cage…. which is where we put her for punishment. She at least was willing to do the time for the crime. 🙂
My god, you guys need some hobbies so you stop coming up with stupid, crazy football takes out your asses. Start knitting! Ballroom dancing! Build a fucking bird house, Jesus.
You mind expanding on who’s being stupid?
Randy — agree with Tim. Bunch of folks on the board.
In the 2020 regular season, 18 teams passed more than they ran on 1st down in the 1st half of games.
In the 2020 regular season, all four teams that made it to the Conference Championship passed it more than they ran it on 1st down in the 1st half of games (link below is for these stats). Tampa and GB were pretty balanced, but you can see by the stats that Buff and KC consistently passed more on 1st down.
Tampa Bay (117-115), Green Bay (125-115), Buffalo (169-84), and KC (160-91)
In the 2020 playoffs, 4 teams passed more than they ran on 1st down in the 1st half of games, 3 made it to the conference championship (Buff, KC, GB, Pitt). Tampa and Chicago were both dead even at 50-50.
Using the same program, running stats from 2015-2020 for all teams, more than 92% of run plays in the 1st half of games on 1st down result in yards to go of 7-10.
https://stathead.com/football/play_finder.cgi?request=1&match=summary_all&sb=0&order_by=yards&year_min=2020&year_max=2020&game_type=R&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&quarter%5B%5D=1&quarter%5B%5D=2&minutes_max=15&seconds_max=0&minutes_min=0&seconds_min=0&down%5B%5D=1&field_pos_min_field=team&field_pos_max_field=team&end_field_pos_min_field=team&end_field_pos_max_field=team&type%5B%5D=PASS&type%5B%5D=RUSH&no_play=N
The below statement is incorrect, so strike that
“Using the same program, running stats from 2015-2020 for all teams, more than 92% of run plays in the 1st half of games on 1st down result in yards to go of 7-10.”
The new jersey numbers
WR Albert Wilson: #2
WR Will Fuller V: #3
QB Reid Sinnett: #4
P Michael Palardy: #5
WR Lynn Bowden Jr.: #6
WR Allen Hurns: #8
DB Noah Igbinoghene: #9
QB Jacoby Brissett: #14
EDGE Jaelan Phillips: #15
WR Robert Foster: #16
WR Jaylen Waddle: #17
SAF Jevon Holland: #22
RB Gerrid Doaks: #23
RB Jordan Scarlett: #28
DB Jason McCourty: #30
RB Malcolm Brown: #34
LB Terrell Bonds: #35
LS Blake Ferguson: #44
LB Duke Riley: #45
LB Benardrick McKinney: #50
LB Elandon Roberts: #52
EDGE Brennan Scarlett: #57
IOL Matt Skura: #62
IOL Cameron Tom: #64
IDL Adam Butler: #70
OL Liam Eichenberg: #74
IOL Tyler Gauthier: #75
OL DJ Fluker: #76
OL Larnel Coleman: #79
TE/FB Cethan Carter: #82
TE Hunter Long: #84
WR Kai Locksley: #87
TE Jibri Blount: #89
IDL John Jenkins: #90
IDL Jonathan Ledbetter: #93
EDGE Tyshun Render: #96
It’s not the end of the world but I’m not a fan of it. I like the typical position numbers.
Gesicki isn’t a TE. Just like Pitts….who can’t block either…he’s a WR…or hybrid. Also, his run blocking really isn’t that bad compared to other hybrid WR/TE guys. Are the Raiders gonna cut Waller? He isn’t much of a blocker either. Is Pitts gonna be stuck on the bench because he can’t block? Seriously. You don’t ask those guys to block much, and they certainly don’t give anything away just by being on the field. Also, teams throw on first down a lot compared to years ago. There are a lot of reasons why they do it but one is because you can take advantage of teams trying to stop the run on early downs. Thinking you’re gonna run for 5 yards on every first down is just dumb. Talk about giving shit away.
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Most teams don’t have a Henry, and if teams are geared up to stop the run, they can. Even OL coming out of college can’t run block anymore. They all pass block so much that run blocking has become secondary. It’s part of why OLs are so terrible in the NFL these days. So, if your OL sucks at run blocking…and ours did last year, what difference does it make if your TE can’t run block? Come on.
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They may or may not keep Gesicki around, but it won’t be because of his run blocking. I actually think he and Long could possibly work well together. Gesicki is best when he’s used like a WR. Every team would love a complete TE who can excel in both phases, but those guys are very rare. As a coach, you use a guy to his strengths. For Gesicki, that’s catching the ball…not blocking.
Okay so I wasn’t one of the stupid ones you were referring to. 😉
I don’t think we sucked at running the ball last year, we just were not consistent or very good. But it was a combination of things. I think many fans didn’t realize that Phase II last year was not a recipe for ultimate success but it had to happen so this year – Phase III could be much better.
3 rookies on the OL, a rookie QB we’re moving forward with, and a bunch of other young skill players were not going to conform overnight. But the longer you prolong that, the longer you prolong that.
LMAO, this is too funny.
The criteria: 2020 regular season, 1st half of games, 1st down rushes, gains of 1-9 yds (thereby eliminating the 10 yd 1st down).
Tampa bay had the lowest average in the league, tied with Indy, at 3.3 (both strong playoff teams).
Baltimore was tied with Miami at 3.8
https://stathead.com/football/play_finder.cgi?request=1&match=summary_all&sb=0&order_by=yards&year_min=2020&year_max=2020&game_type=R&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&quarter%5B%5D=1&quarter%5B%5D=2&minutes_max=15&seconds_max=0&minutes_min=0&seconds_min=0&down%5B%5D=1&yards_min=1&yards_max=9&field_pos_min_field=team&field_pos_max_field=team&end_field_pos_min_field=team&end_field_pos_max_field=team&type%5B%5D=RUSH&no_play=N
Same criteria, the top three at 4.4 yds per were Car, KC, NYJest. Two really bad teams, and a team that throws to set up the run…
Tampa didn’t get fornette until late in the season and they actually sucked early on, new orleans blew them out both games in the reg season.
I was surprised at Miami’s spot. We were middle of the pack.
A bit heavy for Friday night music but very influential
Fantastic.
Missing mine tonight!
We’ll see if Flores and Grier are right. Their vision for the running game is improve the OL and the speed in the passing game. Stack the box and take your chances man on man with Fuller, Waddle, Parker and Gesicki. Drop more in coverage and we run.
To me the OL getting better is key to all of it. At least we can see the possible light at the end of the tunnel with the young guys we’ve added the last few years.
The obvious upgrade needs to be at QB with Tua. I expect him to be stronger and quicker both physically and mentally. He has to be more than just okay, he needs to show more special. I think he can do it. Go Phins!!!
stangerx says:
May 7, 2021 at 4:52 pm
So you are for the end of the cruise industry in Florida? What was before was mitigation of virus spread are the measures these companies have adopted.
Why do you take so much glee in this? Surely you know how important the Cruise industry is to Florida.
I don’t take glee in the cruise industry leaving FL, I take glee in telling these commie companies FU
They need to have the ability and right to control any virus when out at sea to protect the passengers and crew. Ships are a human Petrie dish were things spread quick. It’s not the same as being on land.
I agree, but they don’t base it on Science, they just do whatever the media narrative is at the time.
Why is being vaccinated, that may or may not have taken better than someone with the anti bodies?
I believe I have the antibodies, but still got the vaccine, so I can travel
steve — last I checked the government telling companies what to do was the communist way. Just ask people in China or North Korea.
Bookman, I really put the kibosh on the Brewers the other day. Since I said they can’t lose, they have been in a freefall.
so…
I tell ya, the Cubs, Reds, Brewers, and Pirates just refuse to lose! LOL
David, I hope you feel this one, my bud. So sorry…
It’s a shame messing around with bovine.
Cav what is 1 quarter only run vs pass?
1st quarter
For 2020 reg season, 6 teams passed more than ran.
thanks,
No prob. That site is fantastic for diving down into the minutia. The filters are incredible.
is it free?
Great song !! 👍🥃🥃
This is his 2nd season not his 3rd which was his best year. Nice try. Not one clip of Tua throwing to him should of tipped you off. LOL
That is so fucking cool. Wished they would have played them out. It’s like live at Darrell’s house.
i know none of you like Omar, but the man has access to the players
watch what he and dave hyde say about gesicki,
.pick it up at the 13:15 mark in the video
as for the running game fuller and waddle will keep the opposing ds from loading the box, that spells a successful running game.
Really? Did you just come up with that? LOL
That’s what Grier and Flores think and I’ve mentioned this multiple times. 😉
Here is my new for Randy.
Song….how the fuck does new come from that
stretch them with speed and hammer them with power, that’s what the new additions to this team tell me.
Rob, it’s free. I randomly stumbled upon it while trying to find the info you asked for. The filters and results take a few minutes to get used to and understand what you’re looking at, but wow, this site is going to be a resource I use often.
My hobbies include writing poetry and betting on cockfights.
the stat you used for running on 1st down was a team stat, i use that stat to find the individual effectiveness of a single rb, not a team stat. when you use the whole team it would also include busted plays and qb runs.
i want to know who’s my best power guy is. as in Gore vs Drake, which Gore won that.
By taking out that criteria, you get top teams KC, NO, LAR, Car, Minny
Bottom teams Atl, Tampa, Dal, Cincy, Buff
You can also use that site for individual players.
Criteria: Kenyon Drake with Miami, 1st down rushes, =<9 yds, 1st half
2.8 yd avg
Same criteria: Frank Gore with Miami
3.5 yd avg
A hell of a lot easier than the way we did it a few years ago, listing play by plays and doing the math, lol.
so if you look at the two videos they both say when gesicki is in it’s like telegraphing to the D that we are passing, That’s probably why we drafted the TE.
i doubt they will match gesickis worth, and i doubt they will franchise him, someone will offer him a big contract
Go, Go, Braided Coconut!
Tim,
Actually, I’m sorry about that. I wasn’t trying to call anybody stupid. That probably came across more harsh than I meant it. I was probably more exasperated than anything. Sometimes I just don’t know where shit comes from anymore these days. It was a curmudgeon moment. Lol
No worries but comments like that can cause needless issues. 🙂
Hunter Long has potential as a solid all around TE, but he’s not the receiver Gesicki is. Just saying. Smythe and Shaheen should be more concerned moving forward, not Gesicki.
Tim,
Well, there’s been way too much whiny bitching around here lately anyway. Lol
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Hope that doesn’t cause needless issues. God forbid that be a thing around here, right?!
Disagreeing and saying people are being stupid are two different things. That’s all. 🙂
ORob, you forgot about this? Only short passes? Okay! LOL
no doubt he’s a great T.E. and i’m only speculating with what i’ve heard, fitting the pieces in the puzzle.
1. he’s not a well rounded T.E. due to his inability to block.
i think that gives away our position in the game.
we pass 80% of the time when he’s in the game or so the video says.
2. he will be a UFA if we don’t franchise him.
3. we drafted a T.E. early
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so that’s my reasoning for thinking Gesicki may be gone or traded.
if he isn’t traded i think smythe will be the odd man out.
Kicking back drinking whiskey and listening to Def Leopard.🥃🥃🐕
Are you pouring more sugar on… ahhh something? LOL
was your whiskey in your water……..sugar in your tea……..
Tim Knight says:
May 7, 2021 at 10:22 pm
Hunter Long has potential as a solid all around TE, but he’s not the receiver Gesicki is. Just saying. Smythe and Shaheen should be more concerned moving forward, not Gesicki.
Long is more of a possession receiver, Gesicki is big play.
I’m OK with my TE moving the chains, we’ve got enough big play guys, we need more of a go to guy on 3rd and 7ish or less
Guys like Kelce, that you can’t stop on 3rd down keep the drive going, someone like Gesicki is a novelty, that once in a while make a big play.
It’s nice to have both of these types of players
I didn’t realize we have a Kelce. So Gesicki as the 4th most productive TE last year is just a novelty now. I give up. LOL
Novelty probably wasn’t the right word, it didn’t come across as intended.
What I was trying to say was a team like KC is hard to stop, when the game is on the line, because they use high percentage plays, such as the just far enough for a 1st down pass to Kelce.
Gesicki on the other hand isn’t used this way, because he’s not a box out TE, but Long is
We definitely have a “Kelce”. If we threw the ball to Gesicki as much as the Chiefs threw to Kelce, their stats would be almost mirror images.
https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=GesiMi00&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2=KelcTr00&p2yrfrom=2020
Thanks Kong!
No prob, Mike 🙂
That site is a gamechanger for comparative team, player, and play type stats. A wealth of knowledge at our fingertips.
Typical stat reader😉
Randy,
You know better than to label this whole blog stupid just because theres a few stupid people on here. Even worse, stupid people that dont have hobbies.
Hey, I am stupid but I also have Hobbies dammit! lol
^^^^^^^TROLL ALERT^^^^^^^^
get a hobby jets fan, nobody likes You trolling
Mike E,
That 70 yard reception looks really nice on Gesecki’s resume. Especially with the team looking for explosive receiving plays this year to help the offense. I think they will want him back and the only question will be cost like always. I agree with Randy that there’s no reason Long and Gesecki can’t play together for a ‘long’ time. Cookie cutter is the opposite of what we need to be.
Kelce may be the most well rounded of TE’s but he lines up in the slot more than any other TE in the league. This does not include him lining up outside and putting him in isolated coverage which KC does quite a bit also. He is probably not inline to run block on over 50% of their run plays. Most times I see Kelce inline is on short yardage. This works for KC and actually helps their run game by requiring defenses to defend the pass virtually every play. Teams have to defend/worry about Kelce and Tyrek Hill every down making it easier to run.
Now we have helped our run game immensely and it won’t require Gesicki to run block much. Since we have added Fuller and Waddle, teams will have to defend/worry about Gesicki, Fuller and/or Waddle every down which will open up the run game no matter who is back there. Teams will have to defend us the way they have to defend KC and that should open the run game.
Top Tight End Targets From Slot, 2020 (including playoffs)
PLAYER TEAM TARGETS
Travis Kelce Chiefs 110
Logan Thomas Football Team 84
Mark Andrews Ravens 74
Evan Engram Giants 69
Mike Gesicki Dolphins 68
Hunter Henry Chargers 52
Darren Waller Raiders 52
Zach Ertz Eagles 52
Jared Cook Saints 51
Dalton Schultz Cowboys 50
heres a hobby for ya Orob, one im sure You never thought of,
You live in the heart of FL, and the real estate in your area was dirt cheap, possibly a few bargains left
have you heard of whats going on with FL real estate lately? i cant believe You live in the heart of the state and have little idea of whats going on
We are surrounded by solid GOLD, its literally underneath our feet! property prices are skyrocketing, MUCH faster than gas
flip some vacant lots if You want to avoid fixer uppers
^^^^^^^TROLL ALERT^^^^^^^^
Guess what I was trying to say is that I don’t think Gesicki is expendable because we drafted Long. He is valuable to this offense. Everyone is expendable but Smythe may be the most expendable at this point. Let his contract run out and see if we can get a comp, 7th maybe.
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I think if you add in all the variables IMO Gesicki’s days are numbered here.
There’s a reason why we spent # 81 on Long, couple that with blocking issues and heading into FAcy,
do you think we will franchise him? because that’s the only way we keep him.
they should trade after june 1 and get something for him if possible.
this way we keep Smythe
First down is the down you see more trick plays, down the field plays, lower percentage higher reward plays, for that reason, for my argument I’d take those out of the being unstoppable category and put them in the novelty category.
I’d bet a lot of Gesicki’s stats are acquired on 1st down.
Nothing wrong with making a play on 1st down, but it doesn’t help your quest for being unstoppable as much as a box out TE does.
How many times did we see Gates/Gronk make big catch after big catch on 3rd down to keep drives alive, these are your clutch receivers.
Derek Jeter had just above average stats, but was money, when it mattered most, that’s the type of guy Long potentially can be.
Not trying to really overall compare Long to these other guys, just pointing out his potential value to us
Orob, I will reach out to You, if You want some assistance on this. im Not Your enemy, lol
im just an avid Dolphins fan and feel offended by Your negative comments on My football team.
incredible doors of opportunity are open, We can walk inside, Your call.
all i ask is that You refrain from bashing the Dolphins once in awhile, lol
im serious, let Me know
OK David, i’m going to try to explain this to you again, whomever this football player is, I;m commenting on a football players ability to play football.
he may be a great guy but in my only opinion he’s not a good football player.
that’s my opinion and i may be incorrect.
not sure how you’re offended because i don’t like the way a guy plays football?
It would appear that you want me to rah…rah every player regardless of what i think of them, i don’t do that.
so you can carry on your trollish name calling.
I’ve lost a lot of respect for you, and have no interest in discussing anything further with you unless we are face to face.
Just in case you forgot what trolling was, it appears some have
A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community. …
So it’s starting to look like Albert Wilson will be on the roster in 2021
It surprises me a little but if we role with waddle, Parker, Williams, Fuller and Wilson that’s a deep group. Even though we’ve had injury issues, we should be able to manage these issues issues if we are hat deep at wr
I’m not even mentioning guys like Hurns, Bowden and Grant
Bases on what?
Based on what?
Based on the fact that he’s still on the roster
Wilson is always on the roster, thats the problem, lol
we need someone on the FIELD
He opted out last year David
It’s not an injury issue
Well, I did say stupid football takes….not just stupid. I’m not stupid, but I’ve done and said tons of stupid stuff in my life. There is still a difference, but I’m not even sure anymore.
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Doesn’t everybody else in here come on, read over 2-300 posts, skipping and skimming along the way and then just want to comment on everything in a general post because it would take way too fucking long to reply to every different topic or question? Lol
I havent had a chance to comment on Mcain, but I feel the Fins cutting Him was expected by many because ,
A the Duck can also cover slots, and do return duty
B Mcain was overpaid, and couldnt cover slot receivers or run returns like the Duck
Not following your logic on what Holland’s return skills have to do with McCain being cut, but that’s besides the point.
We had a chance to upgrade at a position we had no better than average talent, and saved some money doing it.
No Brainer move
If Doaks was drafted in Gaskins spot he would’ve had a better chance to make the team, because we didn’t have much in the backfield at that time. It’s getting crowded now with complimentary backs, so his chances are less, but I still think he makes it, if he hits the ground running
he makes the team, not a doubt.
you have 2 types of RBs, the speedier shifty type of back (gaskin/ahmed and the power guys.
he is an insurance policy in case Brown goes down.
I absolutely agree that being successful on first down is great….I’m not sure who would disagree with that. The issue is how you do it. If you can rush for at least 4-5 yards every first down at a very consistent clip, for sure, do it. I’ve always been a proponent of a strong running game. But, I just don’t think teams can anymore.
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I agree that they look like they are building to be able to run the ball better, but I really don’t know how they’re going to do it yet because we haven’t seen it yet. They have all sorts of RBs with different skill sets. It’s just my opinion, but I think Flores wants his offense to be like his defense….to be able to disguise and adjust as needed…to take advantage of mismatches. If teams will let Flores run, I’d imagine he’ll run all day. If not, you better have other options.
Running for 4 or 5 yards consistently on first down was meant to be a loose number, just put your team in a running option on 2nd down and your chances of getting the first are much better.
Don’t think anyone is saying we’ll be running on every first down, but when we do we need to have success more times than not
Jaelan Phillips will keep his number 15 that he had since high school
The reason I thought the Jabri Blount signing was interesting is because of his skill set. He has some football background but didn’t play football in college. He was a really good basketball player, MEAC Player of the Year, and at 6’5 245 brings the same skill set as Gesicki though very raw. It will be telling if he makes it onto the practice squad.
His father is HOF DB Mel Blount of the Steelers.
He’s got pedigree, but like that TE we had in camp, that could fly years ago (believe Brown was his name, the guy with the hot girlfriend and used the phrase as usghe), he’s so raw it’ll take him a year or 2 to get up to speed.
He’ll have to flash as a PUP to get a real chance on the PS
Great signing, another sign for a Gesicki departure
no one is ever 100% successful on first down, it’s a great goal to try to accomplish though, being unpredictable is the key to offensive success and you have to be able to put yourself in that situation.
i believe this is what Flores is trying to do, it’s very apparent with the additions at RB, T.E. WR and OL, look at the size of our OL.
he wants to play a power run game and a stretch the field passing game.
with a strong running game and our speed at wr, that creates space, both compliment each other.
Just for perspective, Kelce has had 8 years in the league and Gesicki has had 3. Kelce has been coached by HOF, SB offensive minded coaches and Gesicki has had a carousel of misfits, not to mention the difference in the quarterbacks that have been throwing either of them the ball. Kelce wasnt known for blocking or being well rounded as a TE early in his career and he’s still known as more of a pass catcher. This whole argument that Gesicki isnt Kelce is goofy, especially saying that Gesicki isnt a box out tight end the way Kelce is. Both were basketball stars in high school and boxing out is part of both of their games. Pretty much every highlight of Gesicki’s is him boxing someone out for a catch Lol.
You really can’t be that clueless
Just watched Gesicki’s highlight reel from last year, and didn’t see a box out once. He runs routes like a WR, not like a TE, that sits down in the middle of the field and positions the defender on his back
Kong playing with filters lol
Gesicki has been targeted a total of 206 times in his 3 year career.
79 times on 1st down for an avg of 6.8.
71 times on 2nd down for an avg of 8.3
56 times on 3rd for an avg of 6.0.
3 times on 4th for an avg of 2.7
So clearly we need to go away from Gesicki on 4th downs.
Damn, I should have added the TD and long play count too. Oh well
Should’ve added, if the catch resulted in a 1st down.
On 4th down an average catch for 2.7 yards is great, if each one resulted in a 1st down
Good point on the 4th down. It’s about 1sts, not yardage.
One of the three resulted in a 1st.
how many runs vs passes did we do with Gesicki in the game in 2020?
That one may take me a bit to find the right filters, but I’m sure I can get it.
and with shaheen/smythe?
C’mon stat guy, i don’t have all day 🙂
lol, this one I may not be able to get. I have to figure out how to find the criteria that doesn’t feature the player, but just has him on the field.
I believe it’s going to be in game splits, but there are a lot of search models to go through. I’ll probably attack it piecemeal a bit at a time, so if I can find it, I may not have those numbers until later tonight. I’ll keep working on it though.
Waiting for my second vaccine shot
Hey when you guys said, drink liquids before 2nd shot – does 🥃 count?
Damn right. Worked for me.
Lol, that beer looks like it might hydrate you