The 2018 Miami Dolphins have put all their eggs in the Ryan Tannehill basket. For better or for worse, the success or failure of this team will rest on the shoulders, right arm and knees of Ryan Tannehill. This is his year to succeed, his year to finally have the successful season the Dolphins have always hoped he could reach. In 2016, Tannehill was playing close to that level in the final 8 games he played until the unfortunate knee injury which ended up sidelining him for the rest of the ’16 season and the entire 2017 season. This even includes the annual thrashing by the Baltimore Ravens game in which we lost 38-6. Tannehill over the last 8 games had his best NFL stretch, playing to a top 10 QB level. He threw for 1721 yards, with a 69% completion rate with 13 TD’s and 5 INT’s, for an excellent 100.09 NFL QBR. This is what I’d like to see Ryan Tannehill have as his baseline, and maybe play even better, throw more TD’s, and help this team win more games. I think it’s possible. Gase has constructed this team as much in the image he wants as possible in 3 years. The offensive line should be improved with Laremy Tunsil at LT, Josh Sitton at LG, Dan Kilgore at C, Jesse Davis at RG and Ja’Wuan James at RT. He brought in Gore to teach our young backs how to conduct themselves as professionals. Gore, Drake, Ballage and whoever have the talent to move the football. We have some crafty veterans in Kenny Stills, Danny Amendola, and we also have the speedy slot man Albert Wilson, as well as the ultra-fast Jakeem Grant. If Devante Parker ever plays up to his potential, we may have one of the most dangerous WR corps in the NFL. That’s our starting QB, let’s take a look at the rest.
Brock Osweiler QB – 6’7″ 240
Osweiler came into the NFL in the same draft as Ryan Tannehill. He was a 2nd RD pick (57th overall) to the Denver Broncos, who at that time had the great Peyton Manning as their starter. Osweiler finally got his chance to start in 2016 and it wasn’t pretty. Osweiler completed under 60% of his passes (59.02%), throwing for 2957 yards along with 15 TD’s, and 16 INT’s and a QBR of 72.2. Not pretty. In 2017, Trevor Siemian won the starting job, so Osweiler managed to play in only 6 games with 4 starts, and it wasn’t any better than 2016 for Brock. Osweiler was drafted for near elite arm strength, but his accuracy and decision making have countered any arm talent he possesses. He wil, face some stiff competition for the backup QB job here in Miami from David Fales, who Gase brought over from the Chicago Bears. Maybe Gase can work some magic with the big fella, he’ll have to if Osweiler is going to ever help us.
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David Fales QB – 6’2″ 213
Fales was the backup QB in Chicago when Jay Cutler was the QB. During the 2016 season, the Bears employed 5 different QB’s when Cutler struggled with injuries, with names such as Jay Cutler, Matt Barkley, Brian Hoyer, Cameron Meredith, and of course David Fales. Fales only appeared in one game for the Bears that season, and it was very late in the game. In 2017, Gase brought Fales to the Dolphins (Along with Jay Cutler after Tannehill was ruled out for the season). Fales appeared in the final game of the 2017 season against Buffalo, and played fairly well in a 22-16 loss. That was the fateful game where Landry was ejected for extracurricular activities. So not a huge body of work to see, but I do recall Fales looking pretty good in the 2017 preseason, for what that’s worth. Fales definitely has a chance to be our backup, especially if Osweiler continues on his current trajectory.
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Bryce Petty QB – 6’3″ 230
First off, if the NY Jets cast away a QB, why would ANYONE even look at them? Petty was a fiery, competitive, team leader for the Baylor Bears. Yes, it was a spread offense, as many college offenses are, so he needed a lot of work playing under center and going through progressions. Well, he didn’t progress well in the NY Jet organization, and when he did get a chance to play, it was pretty miserable. As a draftee, he was a QB who had better than average arm strength, good size, and very good leadership characteristics. He led Baylor to 2 back to back Big 12 championships. He had a great college career with impressive stats and pedigree. He will be a dark horse to even make the team, we have carried 2 QB’s in the past, including last season until Fales was added to the roster in late October. Petty has little time to really impress to earn a roster spot here, and it’s very unlikely he can pull that off.
So that’s where we stand at the QB position. It’s basically Ryan Tannehill or bust, and I’m actually OK with that. I feel like with a better O-line, Sitton on the left side next to Tunsil, and Kilgore opening up holes for our run game, it will make things easier for Tannehill as the Dolphins offense will be more efficient. Hey, I waited till the very last paragraph to mention we actually drafted a TE, TWO of them! As we all know, a TE can be a QB’s best friend, and now Tannehill has at least 2. I’m excited to see our new offense take the field. This truly will be a team effort, and we will not be relying on any 1 superstar to take over a game. We have plenty of options on offense, with the aforementioned WR corps, with Gore, Drake and Ballage, as well as the TE’s Gesicki and Smythe and maybe Derby, Gray or Escobar, whomever wins that 3rd TE spot. I wouldn’t take any one Dolphins player in a Fantasy Football league this season, I think a lot of our players are going to be involved, we’re really going to spread the ball around. This is ideal for #17.
GO DOLPHINS!
Finsmob Unleashed 
More illogical BS from the so called experts.
15 players to watch for training camp, with no mention of RT, yet they’re so worried he’s not going to come back healthy as reason to have us ranked so low.
I’m starting to see some faint possibilities that Shady might not have done this horrible act, but there’s too much out there already that might be hard to overcome.
They broke up, she went leave his house, she wont give him back the jewelry that was loaned to him…
She just might be Miko Grimes 2.0. It doesn’t give him the right to do what he’s accused of, but she seems like a real gold digger bitch.
I don’t think either are innocent victims, but if he wasn’t a Bill I’d probably be rooting for him. He does have some other run-ins with the law though.
The guy who did it was demanding specific jewelry – that’s what is suspicious to me. Sounds like a hired thug.
Am darn sure she was targeted. Only way Shady was not involved was if he was spouting off about all the bling he had given her that she still had and someone saw a score. And as M13 pointed out, McCoy just hired the criminal attorney who got Ray Lewis off. Shady already had lawyers.
That’s a big part for me, that’s hard to overcome, along with her injuries, and the cops picked up on it right away, or maybe too soon, because thats what his ex told them. He cant ne that stupid though. If he did it himself it would’ve been in range, but planned, it doesn’t make sense.
Also why would she mention the neighbors have surveillance cameras?
It’s not only the demands for specific jewelry that points to Shady, but there was also no forced entry into the home and Shady had just changed his security system. She’s likely a piece of sh*t gold digger, but that’s on him for being stupid IMO.
Here’s an idea. Don’t buy ridiculously expensive jewelry for the piece your tapping at the moment, and if you want to be flashy big daddy warbucks, then accept the losses as part of the game.
Cav — that’s a thing. Even if Shady had nothing to do with this he was still demanding gifts he gave her back. Who the heck does that after a break-up? But then this a guy who previously made the news for this:
Stang,
I remember reading about that, lol. I haven’t walked in his shoes, and who knows what happened that particular time, but I can’t imagine ever being stingy with tips if I was loaded.
Maybe he had real shitty service?
The least I ever tip is 15% for abysmal service….which is still hard for me to tip that low and still feel bad the rest of the night. LOL Good thing it doesnt happen to often.
I’m the same way. My wife gets annoyed when I tip even though service was bad. I always say “well if service had been good, I would have tipped x amount instead” like that fixes it, LOL.
The only time I won’t tip is if the server is actually rude.
ER — but the twenty cents was a punk. Your problem is big enough, then you talk to the manager. But then the manager of that place was the one who posted the vid of the receipt. Went in-depth about how he got proper service.
Phelon is here. Now.
He’s really cool, when you guys meet him at the Fest you’ll love him.
(Probably thinks I’m a real redneck lol)
Well?
Now that is more important summit in my world than Trump and Putin. Solve the ORob powerback issue. 🙂
Shady didn’t buy the jewelry he’s trying to get back, it was loaned to him by the jeweler, that’s why he wanted it back. It was some type of promotional thing.
Glad whether it was cause of Shady, the jeweler or someone else that their masked rep knew what to look for. And not like the first two didn’t have lawyers.
That changes things quite a bit.
At least in regard to his stupidity.
2017 Run Offense by Number of Backs
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/run-offense-number-backs-2017
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It’s pretty crazy that we ran with 2 RBs in the backfield only 26 times last year (less than 2 times a game). By doing this, we effectively lose an additional blocker (in the backfield), save a blocking TE (contingent upon the personnel/formation).
THIS exemplifies why it’s so very important for OUR team — in particular — to have a very good O-Line… both in the running game and passing game; we consistently run in passing formations.
I love the element of surprise… and that’s why we do this. However, we’re only going to go as far as our O-Line takes us by doing this.
Here’s to hoping we got the O-Line right this year and with NO injury bugs!
GO PHINS!!!
HELL YEAH!!!
Well we’re mostly in 3 WR sets and when we’re not in multiple WR sets we do use 2-TE sets. We don’t use a traditional FB so when we do it’s Gray at FB/H-back or another TE as an H-back. But we’re a zone blocking team so it’s usually counter draws and read-options out of shotgun and when we do line up under center it’s mostly off-tackle, stretch or sweeps.
However we might see some more 2 back sets this year and then splitting one out as a receiver because all our backs are good receivers.
We have to remember we’re not a ground and pound offense so we need to stop thinking that way. Also any offense you run the OL is important. We’re not in the minority here as most teams use one back sets these days, only a handful of teams use more traditional pro-set formations.
Stanger
I don’t know the story of the tip…maybe the manager was a Philly fan and couldn’t get over the fact he lost his RB *cough cough* 🙂
Don’t believe anything Son says. I’m the biggest redneck here.
Seems should be up to Son’s lovely wife to decide…. best ref there could be. And man is she a sweet person.
That’s cool Son and Phish are hangin. Have fun dudes!
👍
You’re next mofo we have to meet. Come on 10/21. Do it!
Not this year, brother! Hopefully sometime soon.
Tim Knight says:
July 12, 2018 at 7:42 pm
Well we’re mostly in 3 WR sets and when we’re not in multiple WR sets we do use 2-TE sets. We don’t use a traditional FB so when we do it’s Gray at FB/H-back or another TE as an H-back. But we’re a zone blocking team so it’s usually counter draws and read-options out of shotgun and when we do line up under center it’s mostly off-tackle, stretch or sweeps.
However we might see some more 2 back sets this year and then splitting one out as a receiver because all our backs are good receivers.
We have to remember we’re not a ground and pound offense so we need to stop thinking that way. Also any offense you run the OL is important. We’re not in the minority here as most teams use one back sets these days, only a handful of teams use more traditional pro-set formations.
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I think we’re on the same page, Bro! LOL 🙂
Nevertheless, I stand by WE — more so than most other teams — need to have a very good O-Line in BOTH facets of the game (run-blocking & pass-blocking). It goes along with the theory that we’re trying to replicate/duplicate or do even better than what the Patsies* are doing.
Aside from constant and favorable calls from the zebras, the Patsies* generally have one of the better O-Lines in the league regarding both facets.
And for whatever it may be worth, the Patsies* have never needed to dump a fortune into their O-Lines (whether it be via FA or Draft status), either. I’m hoping we’re getting VERY close now!
I hear ya! But I don’t care what type of offense you run, if your OL can’t block it your offense is shit.
Not that this means automatically better, but there will be some new voices in the OL room with a new coach, a new vet C and LG. Davis earning his stripes last year as a versatile guy but finishing the season at RG and the coaches wanting to build on that. That’s a good sign. He worked hard for it and cherishes the opportunity to be penciled in for now.
Tunsil and James have to up their games. They have the talent. It’s time to be reliable and durable.
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M13,
NE has actually had some pretty average to below average OLs lately. Brady makes all the difference. He can do the presnap evaluation that allows him to make quick decisions and get the ball out quickly and accurately….making life a llot easier on his OL. We will not be replicating that because we don’t have Brady.
I can’t and won’t disagree with ya on the impact of having a future HOFer in Lady* on one’s team. You could be completely correct that Lady* makes his O-Line look impervious (along with the zebras!), but I DO like what our O-Line looks like right now… on paper, that is…
And we can only hope that Tannehill has learned pocket presence from Jay Cutler, learned from his previous mistakes by watching film in his downtime, and is feeling the vote of confidence that the Gase has given him.
Except when they can’t protect him and he gets rattled. LOL
I think the thing with Tannehill’s pocket presence is he has no fear in the pocket and should move quicker than he does. But that would still not prevent half of his sacks that were just brutal jail breaks. Let’s not forget those shall we. LOL
For decades fans of different teams have been calling Brady’s pocket a 5-6 second tea party. I’ve seen him reset after 4 seconds and still have a pocket. Not because of his genius, because no defender got anywhere near him. The Pats target players who can do what they’re asking them to do. They don’t need a Larry Allen. That’s what I hope Gase is doing, finding players who fit what he wants to do. After all it’s his team. If you were HC would you build the team you want, or one that fans say on a blog? LOL
+100000000000000000000000000
I’m right there with ya, man!
But by the same token… dammit, we’d better see a more aware Ryan Tannehill… and I think/hope we will.
We were seeing that before RT went down. He was playing at a high level of efficiency if not a stat whore. LOL
Nobody knows where Ryan is at yet. The entire team has to play more consistently – that starts with the coaches and player performance. Big year for a 3rd year regime.
I’ll take the RedNeck challenge! 🙂
Man, you haven’t seen redneck until you’ve seen a central Florida cracker. Actually, you may be one of the few who has.
I just spent a few days in Key West!
Brady gets rid of the ball faster than most NFL QBs. The idea that he gets to set back in the pocket for ever is a fallacy. He doesn’t. Part of that is how they run their offense. Part of it is his ability to make presnap reads and know where he’s going with the ball. Part of it has been how NE uses rubs and picks to get guys open quickly.
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Tannehill can improve not by being tough and hanging in the pocket….which isn’t even true…but by getting better at presnap reads and processing information faster. Then, he won’t have to hang tough in the pocket because he’ll be getting the ball out. This idea that our high sack numbers has been all on our OL is simply wrong. Tannehill has been a major part of it. He needs to get better too.
BS!!! Brady throws one second screens or hangs in the pocket forever. Sorry Randy, your bias is showing. Brady lives off of that and when he gets beat it’s because of pressure mostly up the middle, and mostly in big games against good defenses that have a pass rush. Not sure what you’ve been watching the last 10+ years. LOL
Randy,
Your 9:33 PM post is VERY accurate, man. I’ve read that we won’t spend on O-Linemen because the idea is to get the ball out of the QB’s hand in under 2.2 seconds. As such, all we need is a bunch of ‘speed bumps’ on the O-Line to impede defenders from getting to the QB before then. Of course, we’re only talking about pass-protection here… NOT run-blocking.
I don’t agree with this philosophy, whatsoever. Only extremely ELITE QBs can do this… and with ULTIMATE cohesion with receivers over time.
I want our O-Line to be ROCK SOLID, in BOTH pass-pro and run-blocking. At least on paper, I think we’re looking at a rather good unit this year.
Protect the ‘Hill, while opening holes for Drake/Gore/Ballage, and we’re going to be alright. Last thing I want to see is ‘relying’ on Tannehill to become super elite, without a supporting, pass-protecting O-Line.
Tim,
Give me a break. It’s your bias that’s obvious. Tell me this then. Why did our sack numbers drop significantly with Cutler? He played behind an OL with major issues…a team he didn’t know and had no reps with and he still put up numbers comparable to Tannehill with significantly fewer sacks. Why? It’s your bias that’s clear. You do this all the time todiscredit criticism of Tannehill but the stats simply don’t back up your assertions. Tannehill threw plenty of screens too…or did you forget all those too? Why do you point that out for Brady but not Tannehill?
It’s a boring and tired subject. We were horrible on offense with Cutler last year. If pocket presence means dropping ten yards deep and throwing the ball off your back foot into the ground is a good thing so be it. Are we really looking at last year for offensive progress? It was one of our worst seasons in history. Holy fuck!!!! LOL
I don’t necessarily look at how long Brady has as much as how much space he has in the pocket. Sometimes it seems there is no one within five yards of him.
Agreed, especially when Lady* plays our Dolphins. MR. Wake is CONSTANTLY held, but the zebras never call it.
This never happens. LOL
Tim,
You are the one who instigated the ”boring and tired subject” not me. Lol
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I was simply making the assertion that we can’t replicate what NE does with poor offensive line play because we don’t have Brady. I’m not sure how an objective evaluation could suggest anything different. We have to develop our own offensive identity. We aren’t NE, and we can’t do what they do. We have to figure out what we can do and build on that. Personally, I have no idea what this offense is going to look like at this point. I doubt anybody does.
Really? You might want to rethink that.
I have been saying what you just said. Except you didn’t like my Brady comments. Right away it becomes Brady is great and Tannehill isn’t for all sorts of reasons. I talked about Tannehill in a realistic way, you turned it into a Brady makes his OL better. No he doesn’t, they are what they are. Brady always has time to throw because the fuckin system has been in place for over a decade. When he doesn’t have that protection he struggles like everyone else. Gee… wonder why? LOL
Take Tannehill out of it for a moment. What is the discussion then?
I’m not a Tanny-lover but also not a Tanny-hater. He can play good ball, it’s not like he’s held a great team back. You’ve been saying for years we lack talent but it’s mostly about him. Well WTF is it? LOL
Of course RT17 cant be like Lady. Lady has been in same system for what…16 years? Lady rode that defense early in career and then got good (at cheating). But playing with same coach and system is what we need to see here….
Shhhhh… firing everyone every 3-4 years is the way to go. That should remain a secret. LOL
Tim,
I thought you didn’t want to have this discussion? Or whatever discussion you were having with yourself that had nothing yo do with my original point.
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We cannot replicate what Brady does. If you think we can, I think you’re delusional and a homer. So what’s new?
In 2016, Tannehill got rid of the ball in 2.6 seconds. Brady got rid of it in 2.56. This idea that Brady gets 5 seconds to get the ball out simply isn’t true. I realize he’s the enemy and a member of the Evil Empire…and I get ripping him, but the truth is the truth.
Brady is the enemy. He is also a great QB. We should be measured by our enemies.
Boy it sure sounds like Tannehill holds the ball so much longer than Brady
When you take into account Brady holding the ball for 6 seconds when he isn’t getting rid off it quickly…
This is why I hate stats, Randy trying to prove a point throws out an average of all passes stat, which alone doesn’t mean much, instead of something like average time it takes for each QBs fastest 100 passes. That stat would have to be figured, so…
You and Tim aren’t talking about the same thing. You bring up averages that only proves overall Brady gets rid of the ball quicker, but what Tim is saying is there’s plenty of times when Brady sits back there for 5 or 6 seconds with no one close, which he does. It’s not because he has a great line but because he gets rid of it so quick many times the rush never comes just trying to knock it down and he’ll kill you if you blitz.
Both of you bring up some good points, like Brady makes his OL better, which should be undebateable. Brady throws one second screens or hangs in the pocket forever.
I agree Cutler had superior pocket presence, but he also looked horrible throwing at times.
RT like other QBs has never had a good OL for more than a few games, which he excelled in, so I expect big things from him this year with his best line to date, hopefully.
Bottomline is RT was pretty good in 2016, and should have everything around him now to win, so its put up or shut up time.
11-5 we beat the cheats twice and win the tie breaker to win the division.
https://twitter.com/ChauxDown/status/1017770264740990976
Brady defenders!!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/itsnotgonewell/status/1015327111748444160
Brady is great and Tannehill isnt, NE is in a Superbowl discussion every yar, and we are in a top 10 pick discussion every year. Not all of that is on the QB, but some of it is. In NE a lot of it is about the QB. They have had makeshift OL’s they have had variable receiver sets, and they come out on the other end with a 12+ win season. IMO Belichick is a big chunk of that but so is Brady. The guy is the equivalent to a computer program playing QB, he doesn’t do well with variances in the code, but he executes perfectly within the normal boundaries of play.
Tannehill has the potential to be great, though i do think his football IQ is not strong. He is athletic, he is a pretty solid leader, he stays int he game until the end, he pushes himself, he has a lot of the intangibles, but he also has a lot of work left to do and not much of a career left to do it in. You can be hopeful with Tanny, but i dont think you can be overly optimistic and that be real.
What Randy is saying is pretty accurate, and i know he has a history of bashing Tanny, but what he said isnt exactly bashing, it real. The things he is pointing out about his game, it real flaws, and he has never shown significant improvement in those areas. A lot of you guys are taking a 6 games span to show that he had arrived, and you are insistent that this layoff did nothing to set that back. He definitely showed so signs of improvement, but he is a long way from arrived, and the areas he needed work on are thing you get in game. I dont see how the layoff doesnt concern you at all, it should.
Tim i know you dont think your a Tanny lover but you very much are man. You are very biased when it comes to defending him, in fact you are AT LEAST as far on the Tanny Lover side as Randy is on the Hater side.
I’d say Tim will defend whoever the QB is for the fins!
If Tanny was a viking Tim wouldn’t give 2 shit’s!!
Tim has and will defend the players on the team!
(Did I get that right Tim)????????
“Bottomline is RT was pretty good in 2016, and should have everything around him now to win, so its put up or shut up time.”
Im in the same boat here. Im not disillusioned by Tanny as our QB, but its put up or shut up time.
No Tanny is not Brady. He ain’t ever gonna be YA Tittle, Marino or Montana either. If had a model to aspire to it would be Steve Young, but not expecting him to be that either. Could be pretty good though.
The fact that Randy or anyone else can’t admit Brady sometimes has forever in the pocket when just about every fan of every team will tell you that because they’ve all seen plenty of Pats games, made the discussion go in a different direction. Go back and read my first two posts about Tannehill and tell me how much love I was displaying at 8:54 and 9:11. I’ve often said Tannehill is not great but he’s a quality QB, but it always comes back as if I’m saying he’s great. Whatever!
Brady creates that extra time because the OT are blocking on their side like James does on ours, but Brady steps up or stand in the middle and he doesnt step back. Tanny very regularly steps back into the pass rush, sealing the sack and he drops further back in the pocket that he is supposed to on a lot of plays too. These are some of the things that if he changes, it really helps the whole situation, and that Brady helps his OL is this kind of stuff. I dont disagree he sometimes has a lot of time in the pocket, but on the plays where he does, he generally helped manufacture that time.
Part of why the Pats OL always seems to be good no matter who they have is because of OL coach
Dante Scarnecchia, He’s considered one of the best in the game. Belichick talked him out of retirement a few years ago because he’s so good. The Pats are very good at finding players that fit what they do as we all know. They’re not all pro bowl players, but they do their job. Scarnecchia does a great job preparing his OL to do their job.
From my 8:54 post.
“The Pats target players who can do what they’re asking them to do. They don’t need a Larry Allen. That’s what I hope Gase is doing, finding players who fit what he wants to do.”
This is what I was trying to get at while having a discussion with M13. But it went right back to being all about Tannehill. I didn’t start that. He’s part of the team so he’s going to be part of the discussion, but he’s not all of the discussion.
Hopefully our new OL coach Jeremiah Washburn is the next great OL coach. He’s already revered as one of the good young coaches in the league.
Gase has said exactly how he feel about the OL and thats he wants guys that can hold thier blocks for 2seconds because his play design with proper execution shouldnt require much more to get the ball out. Thats paraphrasing what i heard directly from him on one of those video from a presser.
He doesnt believe the OL has to be studs, he feels they have to be skilled players who can do their part.
“I think the thing with Tannehill’s pocket presence is he has no fear in the pocket and should move quicker than he does.”
That was the first thing I said about Tannehill. I was critiquing what he needs to do to be better. LOL
He need to make all his decisions faster. He hold on to the first read for a while before progressing to the others too. I think he is trying too hard to make a certain play work than look for other options. I think i can count on one hand how many times he has thrown to his check down or outlet receiver. I know i have seen him stay with a play so long even while scrambling that he too a sack right at the sideline or ran out of bounds taking a loss than throwing it away. That kind of stubborness on plays definately needs to change and thats not just for the benefit of the team and down and distance, but to his own health.
In o10 THill took over a horrible A&M team from an injured Jarrod Johnson!!!
THill won his first 6 games to close the season!!!
Jarrod Johnson was the senior QB with prototypical everything,
Size, strength, arm, EVERYTHING you want in a QB..
THill was two years his junior, skinny, string bean who was breaking all the A&M receiving records,
He wanted to be the QB from day one, but Jarrod Johnson was the protypical guy!!!
Johnson an established A&M QB couldn’t win,
So in stepped the record breaking receiver
To win his first 6 games at QB!!!
THill came to the NFL with 1.5 years QB experience,
Unlike most who enter the league with two to three times more experience..
Takes (for the most part) those three to four year guys
at least 3 years for their NFL light to begin flickering!!!
THill started out 2 to 3 years behind all those that started at QB in college for 3-4 plus years,
Shoot Russell Wilson had FIVE YEARS starting as a college QB before entering the NFL!!!
THill has started for Miami in 4 and 3/4ths years worth of games,
Under however many different HC/OC/Schemes, and horrible OL’s!!!
He was hitting the throttle pretty hard pre-injury, has more weapons, OL should be better by leaps and bounds!!!
He learned over the last year some of the more intricate stuff needed for QB success
Via surgical attachment to Gase’ ear from the sidelines,
something a QB with 1.5 college years QB experience would have benefited from had the opportunity presented itself upon entering the NFL!!!
Shit, 4 year college starter Aaron Rodgers got to learn from the bench/Favre
For some 4 years!!!
THill is a great kid/human being, he’s tough, and a hard worker with all the tools!!!
He deserves some benefit of a doubt, and OUR TOTAL SUPPORT!!!!@!!!!
GOFINS!!!
I like your style. LOL
He deserves our total support cause he is a good person and our QB. But then this time of year what team doesn’t like QB talk? Am sure on Pats boards it is about does Brady still have it and when will Giselle make him retire. 🙂
He has my support but he also has my expectations too. We cant sit an wait watching a flickering light, after a little while the flicker light gets replaced. You get tired of the flicker and the expectation of it burning brightly, but just more flickers. Still you cant live on what you have done, even if the have done part is good, and even what you just said has a caveat of “done pretty good for someone who doesn’t have a lot of experience at the position”.
How good he is compared to someone with about the same experience level as him doesnt mean much to me. How well he is doing at his experience level doesn’t really help with the leading our team part, or the we need a QB right now part. I am not saying the guy isn’t a decent QB as is, im not saying he isnt potentially a good one, im just saying we need to move on from talking about his potential to what he is. I think there was a lot of baggage holding him back, but again, thats an excuse that has lived a career so far. He is a really respectable guy, no doubt, but success on the field has to come for the respect at that position to be given. Thats the simple fact of things. Potential had to be realized. Excuses have to be put away. Put up or shut up.
“Nobody knows where Ryan is at yet. The entire team has to play more consistently – that starts with the coaches and player performance. Big year for a 3rd year regime.”
That’s what I said at 9:11 last night.
D, that’s what the discussion was about. M13 started the discussion at 7:20 about the OL having to be good if we want to play the way we do. He was talking about only playing with one RB and it went from there.
D, a lot of what you’re saying about Tannehill are things he has improved on over the years. He’s not the same QB he was in say 14/15. Gase was helping him improve his game in 2016 and then he got hurt and hasn’t played since. All we can do is go by the improved version which was the last we saw from him. Hopefully he continues from where he left off and plays even better. 🙂
He was still doing those things in 2016, the rhythm he played with, having a feel for getting the ball out, etc did improve some in that 6 game span, but thats a really small sample size to call it improved on. Improving, yes, sure that was where he was trending but it was a LONG way from good.
His QB rating was 102.7 in his last 8 games. That’s a long way from good? He was playing great in his last game against ARZ. 15-20 75.0% 195 yards 9.75 YPA 3TD 1INT 124.0 Rating.
That game also had moments of a monsoon. Remember that pass he threw where it slipped out of his hands and it was like WTF was that?!!! LOL
I think both sides of this argument have valid points. Brady has been making his oline look good for years. I’m not sure how anyone could dispute that. But I know I have seen plenty of times Brady has all day in the pocket too. Of course you could say that about most QBs.
Just because a QB makes his line better doesn’t preclude the idea that the line can also give the QB time on some downs. But the idea that Brady only throws passes after half a second or after 6 seconds, so his average time to get the pass out is irrelevant is kinda goofy IMO. I’m sure if the numbers were ran, Brady would be all over the spectrum just like any other QB.
Furthermore, you could say part of ‘Brady making his line better’, is the idea that with his presnap read, he understands he has to get the ball out quick, and does so, so some of those quick throws that bring his average numbers down are due to his acumen, not just because the play was designed as a quick throw.
What I don’t get is why Tanny always has to be brought in as a negative comparison. Tanny isn’t Brady, but no QBs are. But we don’t have to have Brady to win. If Tanny can play like he did the 2nd half of ’16, we can win a SB with that QB. And who says that is his ceiling? If he gets even marginally better he easily can be a top 10 QB.
I dont see Tanny as a negative comparison, its more Brady has the attributes that i think Tanny needs to get over the hump and hit that potential. Im also not saying he has to be as good as Brady in those areas to be good, he just needs to be a good bit closer, specifically in the areas i mentioned, which are both for us not having drive ending sacks and him not taking the level of punishment he did for all those years.
I would love to see him take less punishment. I think it was Tim last night that said, part of Tanny’s problem is he is fearless, not necessarily that he is as bad with his pocket presence as people make out. I think there is some truth to that. It will interesting to see if this knee injury changes his game, and he looks to protect himself more than in the past.
Kong, I was saying Tannehill should speed up his movement in the pocket regardless of being fearless. Sometimes standing tall too long hurts him.
Gotcha, Tim.
Well said. No Tanny is not Brady, but like it or not Brady has football awareness out his yin yang. Same convo as Manning, Montana and Elway. Talking about OCs on the field pre-snap with fast second to second minds as well. And that means those guys know when they have time and they do not.
I can’t wait for Brady to f*cking retire. I’m pretty sure that is one of the very few things EVERYONE on this board can agree with, lol.
There will be crickets from the Tannehaters when Tannehill does well this year. Or, even better denial that they were ever ‘haters’. WE know what is what and who is who.
What am i and why do you feel that? I dont see myself as either.
a defender of the haters
Brady The guy is the equivalent to a computer program playing QB, he doesn’t do well with variances in the code, but he executes perfectly within the normal boundaries of play.
Great analogy D, now send this over to Gase, and ask what they plan to do create variances.
We will have variances this year with 3 safeties, who’s the Mike…
Yep — and he sure didn’t like what the Giants did to him as they won the Superbowl, but then they changed the code for him. Other teams tried the same and all of of sudden announcers are talking about how quick Brady gets the ball out.
This is what I’m talking about and this happens quite a bit.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000906143/Tom-Brady-has-all-day-to-throw-finds-Danny-Amendola-for-25-yards
lol, ok, Rob. 😉
I don’t get it!
I can’t tell if you’re playing along or really don’t get it. That is awesome, lol.
I don’t get the Rob comment for this video.
Lol, sorry, wasn’t trying to be a dick. The exclamation mark made me think you were playing along.
Nobody is disputing that Brady gets all day in the pocket sometimes. Just like nobody is disputing that sometimes Tannehill has bad plays. Or that Drake gets stuffed sometimes. Showing one video doesn’t prove anything at all or advance your point that Brady gets all day in the pocket more than any other QB. Or that Tanny only has bad plays, only gets sacked, and doesn’t have any good plays. Or that Drake gets stuffed sometimes.
I just found the parallel amusing.
5 days until Rookies report to camp! 12 days until full squad is in camp. The Doldrums are almost past!
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He hit a wall and lost a step.
Kong, I’ve seen Brady get that kind of time many times over the years more so than any other QB. I can post more but no need to. Just Google Tom Brady has day. LOL
^has all day
We are having the conversation about comparing Thill to “great” qb’s again?
I will reiterate. Tom Brady was not always “Great”. he had success early DESPITE him.
Which stats below are better?
att – cmp – % – att/G – yds – Ave – yds/G – TD’s – Ints – Rtg
509 – 315-62.0 -32.14 – 3606-7.14 – 227.72 – 24.6-13.2 – 88.6
527 – 330-62.7 -34.20 – 3691-7.00 -239.70 – 21.2-13.2 – 86.5
First five years of Brady & Tannehill’s carrers (well, 2nd -6th year for Brady because he got to sit for a year)
Brady has had SIXTEEN fucking years in the same system to BECOME great.
I have never said Tannehill is great. I just have defended him against haters who say he sucks.
Tom Brady worked hard to hone his skills every year and got better over time. He was better in his 30’s than he was in his 20’s.
BINGO!! TIM!
But it will never happen with Tannehill because “he is what he is”…..
“you don’t get appreciably better after 7 years”
Um, yes, yes yo can.
Well this is RT’s 7th season, it hasn’t happened yet. He missed all of his 6th.
Brady’s best season was in 2007 at 30 years old. He’s gone onto have other excellent seasons well into his 30’s. Most good QBs are better in their 30’s than in their 20’s. They learn a lot if they last that long.
No Tanny is not Brady, but like it or not Brady has football awareness out his yin yang. Same convo as Manning, Montana and Elway
But these were not BORN with it. They GREW into it.
Tannehill is statistically AHEAD of where Manning was at this point in his career.
Last thing I want to do is bash Tanny who I like, but just don’t see that type of player in him. As said before, think he more in the Steve Young way as far as what he could be. And I would be real happy if he came anywhere close to what he did.
I’ve seen Brady get that kind of time many times over the years more so than any other QB
While his right tackle lays on top of the DE he tackled to the ground..That’s what tackles are supposed to do right? Put their arm around the DE’s neck and tackle them to the ground and then lay on them? I BET you If I wanted to take the time I could find 20 plus videos online of it happening. Shit, probably that many of it happening ONLY to Cam Wake!
Tim,
It’s your opinion that he gets all day more than average, let alone more than any other QB. And everybody is entitled to their opinion. But the average time to get the ball out flat out contradicts that. At 2.71 last year he was middle of the pack. It doesn’t matter how many individual plays you post, lol.
It’s not a perfect stat, because as has been stated, if Brady really only threw 1 sec passes and 6 sec passes that would make you right. But you have no evidence of that. It doesn’t matter how many individual play videos you post (this is where you’re Rob’ing lol.). To think Brady doesn’t have plenty of 2, 3, 4 sec passes, and that he is statistically way off the norm here getting his passes off ONLY very quickly or after an eternity is silly unless you have some data to back that up other than the ‘eye’ test, lol.
Crap, I don’t even know what happened here. I didn’t mean to get engaged in this. I just thought it was funny you did exactly what Rob was doing with Tannehill before he took a break.
Please don’t compare me to that (as Randy said) “Delusional Homer”
Just joking Tim 🙂
LOL, welcome back, Rob.
I’m not the only one who thinks this. Many of my friends or people I’ve hung with at bars watching games have been saying Brady can have a tea party back there. It’s been going on for quite some time in his career. I’m not saying it happens 15 times per game. I’m talking about it happening more often than the norm for about a decade. He really didn’t become a prolific passer until his 8th season in 2007. Before that he was pretty middle of the pack. But his teams were more balanced and good. He took his game to a whole new level in his early 30’s up until now at 40. See for yourself.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm
Perception can easily be skewed. Especially with someone like Brady. A group of people thinking the same thing still doesn’t advance your point past the actual stats. Nor does the fact he became a better QB in 2007. That just conflates overall play and time in the pocket.
We’ve probably taken this to root level, and will only continue to go round and round, lol.
LOL @ the HOF names thrown to compare Tannehill, a more favorable comparison would be…Bortles…Winston….McCown…you know middle of the pack players.
comparing him to Brady..Elway…Manning…Please! let’s wait till he can achieve that lofty status
Who did that ORob? Wasn’t me. Mentioned those same names but my point was he is most distinctly not those guys.
OK…… i just skimmed over quickly and seen all these names
We’re talking about how great QBs got better over time. Not saying RT is going to ever reach those levels, but it is possible. Many people say he is what he is but we’re trying to show how some of the greats took there games to another level.
Peyton Manning didn’t win a playoff game until his 6th season. Drew Brees was allowed to walk by SD in FA in 2006 in favor of Phillip Rivers and won his 1st championship with the Saints in his 9th season.
These are just examples of how some of the greats’ careers have gone. But carry on with turning it back into a Tannehill bashing session because some of you can’t stay on point. LOL
Tannehill is the most sacked QB in the NFL, I would believe Brady may be the least sacked QB in the NFL, put that on your stop watch.
His sacks were way down in 2016. That’s what some of us have been trying to say, under Gase his overall game was improving and some of you just can’t admit that. Do you want that to continue in 2018 after missing all of 2017 or would you rather him fail so you can continue with bashing the guy. For those of us who have hope he can become an even better QB always gets derailed here by those of you who don’t think he can and then all the labels start – Tanny-lover, delusional etc.
The posts are there for all to read. But there is no doubt people read what they want to sometimes and it takes a day trying to explain what you originally said.
This discussion made me think of this scene from a funny movie. LOL
stangerx says:
July 13, 2018 at 1:28 pm
He deserves our total support cause he is a good person and our QB. But then this time of year what team doesn’t like QB talk? Am sure on Pats boards it is about does Brady still have it and when will Giselle make him retire. 🙂
Nah, they’re too FN arrogant for that, they’re talking SB and 19-0.
why should he get support because he’s a “good person”??
I don’t care if he’s Ted F’n Bundy!
can he throw the football…does he have pocket awareness…can he read a D…..
I’d love to keep going, but I will probably drop off abruptly. I’m leaving around 2:00 to have Lasik surgery. And once it’s over, I won’t be able to use the ‘puter until tomorrow. I’m pretty excited. Can’t wait to ditch the glasses.
that will mess up your depth perception….don’t do it
LOL, yeah I’ve heard horror stories of this person who knows that person etc. Yet every single person I’ve ever talked to that actually got the surgery absolutely loves it. 100% of them. Not a single one with any issues what so ever. And I’ve met and known quite a few.
Like anything else, there are risks associated with the procedure. But the technology has been around for decades, and the risks are small.
Kong,
I had that done a year ago and it’s fantastic when you see the results.
Thanks for the feedback, Doggy! I can’t wait. I’ve been wearing glasses since about 20. Ditching the glasses after 20 years is going to be life changing. Even little things like swimming will become a different experience.
I’ve heard good reports on having that done from a bunch of folks. Both as to “not a big deal” when it happens and a “big deal” after.
It’s pretty amazing what we can do nowadays. The whole idea of using a laser on your eye to correct it is pretty mind boggling.
I think RT is a puss in the pocket, nothing close to fearless. Case in point, I watched all of his 2015 sacks and on 95% of them he was headed to the ground before contact.
When Brady and others are in the pocket they take a step or 2 up to avoid the pressure. RT gets scared or something and either bales or moves forward until he runs into a defender. It’s the craziest pocket pressence I’ve seen.
Sure he’ll stand in the pocket at times and deliver a great pass under pressure, but that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about when he gets happy feet, because he doesn’t know where to go with the ball.
Did you watch the 2015 OL? I guarantee 95% is a big old bag of BS. That was also the era where Lazor thought it would be good to pass 65% to rush 35%. You have to take all of that into account. Tannehill was getting killed all year. You might have gotten a little skittish at times too. He was sacked 45 times for a whopping 9.3 yards per sack. It was ugly. It’s not all on him but we’ve been through this before.
We’ve been talking about the OL not being good for years but it only doesn’t count when it comes to Tannehill. LOL
I really think Tannehill will regress this year, and not due to any thing he is or is not doing…I think Gase will be the problem….he does not want to run the ball…he wants to pass on every down or at least that’s what i’ve been reading, he has seemed to set this team up to pass with the quick recs….this won’t work IMO….I hope i’m wrong… we shall see.
Ain’t that is what is great about football? We just don’t know how it will work out…. and yeah am hoping you are wrong. Makes you want to watch the games to see what does happen.
But while doubt Gase will be passing every down, do think we are gonna see a whole lot more pass to run. And our 3 top RBs are good at that, and to my mind with that to worry about can also go strong up the middle as well (and our backs ain’t small). And we will see about Tanny, but man does he have a lot of toys to play with.
I hope we throw a lot to our backs this season because it’s an extension of the running game and ball control – high percentage passes and the skill to turn them into 1st downs and big plays.
Never read or heard he wants to pass on every down. That’s absurd for sure though if he does. LOL
I’m confident that’s not the case.
Dog,
Out of curiosity, did you go with mono-vision or the standard 20/20 for both eyes? I’m pretty sure you’re over 40, so I figure mono may have been an option for you.
I went with the 20/20 both eyes and the difference is amazing. Even though I’m on the computer most the day i chose to be able to see everything with better clarity both day and night. I can read my phone without reading glasses but they wanted me to use a X 1 while working on my computer all day so I don’t stress my eyes while they are healing. Be prepared to using a lot of eye drops for the first year. That is the biggest thing you can do.
Kong, hope your procedure goes well so then you can see through all of this bullshit!! LOL
LMAO! I guess if my posts suddenly become discerning and insightful, you’ll know it was successful. 🙂
POSITIVE VIBES TO YOU KONG!!!
Cheers, 13kv! Much appreciated!
“””that will mess up your depth perception….don’t do it”””
DAMN Rob,
Do you have a non-pessimistic view of anything in life ???
Is the earth round,
Did man ever walk on the moon??
the guys going to have surgery, i have checked that surgery out and it is known that having that surgery may affect your depth perception, in fact they had me wear glasses for about an hour and warned me of this…would you rather i not let him know???
“””May””‘, not “”‘Will””‘
and SEEING that he’s about to walk in for the procedure..
Yea, “”‘rather not let him know”””,
Positive thoughts help toward positive results!!!
These are the number of receptions to the RBs during the Tannehill era even though he didn’t play last year.
2017 – 70
2016 – 66
2015 – 81
2014 – 76
2013 – 49
2012 – 68
I hope were 90-100 this year. Not because we have to check down all the time, but because it’s a staple of our offense.
^we’re at
Kong, one other thing. I would say perception is used as reality a lot around here for just about everything. LOL
You won’t see me argue that, bro. lol
Dog,
That’s cool. Thanks for the tip about the drops. I’ve heard similar things from a few people, that drops will be your best friend. I’m going with mono, but only going about 20/30 in my non-dominant eye. Doc says if I don’t like it, it’s very easy and quick to touch it back up to 20/20 (and only $150).
Really my only nervousness was whether to go mono or not, but once the doc explained it’s really easy to go to full 20/20 (and not expensive), it took away the anxiety of making the choice.
I’m off peeps. Catch ya’ll tomorrow!
Best wishes!
If all pans out as penciled in this should be our starting OL unless someone else surprises.
LT Tunsil
LG Sitton
C Kilgore
RG Davis
RT James
It’s the other 4 spots I’m interested in seeing how it pans out. I’d say Larsen will lock down the 6th spot because he can play all three interior spots. The 7th spot who can backup at tackle I’d say Young has the inside track, but could get beat out. Then who are the other two guys who can play both inside and out?
Eric Smith
Jake Brendal
Sternup, (he is a Zack afterall)
Mike Matthews (relative of Clay & clan)/great bloodlines
and I liked what that recent MD.com piece had to say about
Joseph Roubbens
As well as the Connor Hilliand write-up
https://www.miamidolphins.com/news/hillland-bringing-his-physical-style-to-the-nfl
For the 7-10 OL
Or perhaps a righteous FA falls in our laps upon final cuts???
Yep those are the likely candidates. I believe Eric Smith was ahead of Young last year until he went on IR. I wouldn’t be surprised if both make the team if Smith can play some guard.
Then there is Asiata. He’s a guy who has to make a big jump in his 2nd year. The coaches told him what he needs to do better and that’s to speed up getting out of his stance and getting on his blocks quicker. If that doesn’t improve he won’t make the team.
Yea, forgot Asiati/1 game active…
Pretty deep compared to the last decade plus,
where these 6-11 type guys were the majority of our top 5/starters..
Think we have 6-7 solid starter guys at OL (presently),
GOFINS!!!
Forgot David Stienmentz too,
All these new guys have things to like about them!!!
Mold the 6 guys between 7-12 into 3 well rounded players, and we’re good to go!!!
GOFINS!!!
We have 15 OL on the roster at the moment which can field 3 teams. Let the competition change the depth chart and go from there to the final 9-10 on the 53. Then like you said, maybe some guy or two who get cut we feel are better than our 9 or 10. There’s always a little bit of roster churning after final cuts.
Actually have 14 OL
So mold half of those bottom 8 into 4 well rounded guys
Even Better,
Washburn had our OL playing pretty damn good in o16
before his one year away!!!
GOFINS!!!
Yea check that 14, I miscounted, it is 15…
wrote that last before seeing your 15
Yea, I’d think that both T’s Smith & Young get the 7 – 8 OL spots..
Leaving Brendal, Asiati, & five newcomers fighting for 9- 10 OL of 53…
And usually we don’t have near ten OL active on gameday…
GOFINS!!!
Head, meet wall….
13kv, agreed on the potential of the OL and more talent to work with. As fans we’re so jaded when it comes to keeping these guys healthy and having that starting 5 or even 4 if we need a sub. But not having 2-3 starters ready to play every week has really hurt us. It seemed we could never have them all ready to go.
That’s one of the reasons we moved on from Pouncey – that and too much money for a guy they had to baby in the offseason and during the season in practice. He would practice every other day in TC and once a week during the season. That’s not good for anyone to build continuity. I feel they also must have felt his durability was going to be an issue as he gets older and decided to move on from that.
But even they knew to only sign him to a 2 year deal $15M with $10M guaranteed. They’re taking a shot he’s good for now but not long-term even at 29 years old this month.
Kilgore is cheaper no matter how you slice it even at a year and a half older but with no chronic issues. He may not be the athlete Pouncey is or was, but he’s been a quality NFL center.
That said Pouncey will probably start all 16 games for the LAC and be all-pro. LOL
Yea, I recall that when BA, Pouncey, & James all started played whole games we were something like 10 – 0
Problem was that they only played together those 10 games (or whatever the winning streak together was) over 3 plus years!!!
That’s when those 7-12 guys were starting, for the most part of the other 50 some games when BA, Pouncey, & James weren’t starting together!!
And folks wanna blame the QB for not progressing to the max??
Not just the QB, but the running game and the entire offense. How many discussions have been about the OL the last 5 or so years but when it comes to Tannehill that’s an excuse. Okay! LOL
My Giants fans family and friends will chime in on what the OL means to their QB and running game. That’s all they’ve been talking about the last 4-5 years. LOL
13kv, Washburn was the asst. OL coach in 2016 but maybe he did make an impact. Gase was loyal to Foerster and Chris fucked him over. He got Washburn back. Who knows but maybe adding Loggains as OC who Gase seems to feel more on the same page with than he did with Christensen, and worked with Washburn in CHI last year, might be more of the same page type of thing we need. We’ll see.
Yea, I like Loggains a lot, he’s on it !!!
Thought I’d miss Christensen’s pressers,
But liked how Loggains expressed football to us too,
Gonna be fun this football season!!!
GOFINS!!!
LOVE that DL Coach Kocurek too, I’d run through fire for that guy,
Gase, & Rizzi got some competition in the realm of exuberance with
Loggains, & Kocurek on board!!!
WR coach Jefferson ain’t the quiet type either!!!
What happened in 2007 that made Bradys stats jump, Randy Moss and the rule change. Funny how they caused the rule change, then benefitted the most from it.
^^^
Excellent point.
They were loaded and really balanced. A few core guys and a lot of do your job guys. Moss was a monster but he’s always been that when he was at his best. He was the biggest down the field mismatch WR I have ever seen. OAK trading him to the Pats for a 4th rd pick was the dumbest thing they could have done. Within your conference assholes? Now you have Moss and Welker. Nobody saw it coming. It was like the 1999 Rams. Thank you Giants! LOL
Ah, man… I’ve NEVER screamed so loud in my life after the G-Men took the Patsies* out in that Super Bowl!!! I absolutely LOVED it!!! Thank you, Giants, is SO RIGHT!!! 🙂
As you say, it was GRAND!!! 😉
HELL YEAH, BROTHER!!! 🙂
CavalierKong says:
July 13, 2018 at 1:30 pm
I think both sides of this argument have valid points…
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Absolutely agreed with this, CavKong.
Good luck with your LASIK surgery. Let me know how it went… I’m considering the same.
Only time you’ll see Cav with glasses after it is over.
YUP!
I posted the DeMarco Murray news from work today and wasn’t able to elaborate on it. IF Shady McCoy lands himself in hot water, at least Murray is now retired. The Bills could be in deep poop as it concerns their running game.
That’s what I was thinking kurt g when I read this, but AP is still out there.
Good point on AP still being out there, but if you read the Football Outsiders article I posted yesterday, the Bills Offense is predominantly based on 1-RB concepts… just like us. Thing about AP? He’s horrible at catching passes.
I’d still fear AP if the Bills signed him… but they’re also now without Richie Incognito and Eric Wood on their O-Line from last year.
Methinks the Bills are going to be reeling against the ropes… or so I hope.
The problem with AP at 33 years old is he is mainly an I-formation back and nothing more. Over 2,800 touches in 11 seasons but only 252 receptions in a different game for RBs. He’ll end up on the Pats the last month of the season for their run. LOL
Tim Knight says:
July 13, 2018 at 8:44 pm
…He’ll end up on the Pats the last month of the season for their run. LOL
————–
That would be SO ‘the Patsie* way’, and I can clearly see it happening, too.
Then watch AP run for like 1,000 yards in the last 4 games of the regular season… and an additional 1,000 yards in the playoffs. SVUCKS!!! LOL
Until that evil empire ends we must stead fast together mates, LOL
😆
Gotta run. See ya tomorrow, Bro!
Tim Knight says:
July 13, 2018 at 5:02 pm
Never read or heard he wants to pass on every down. That’s absurd for sure though if he does. LOL
I’m confident that’s not the case.
Reply
I do remember a tongue in cheek statement from Gase saying something along the lines of I have to have the OC real me in sometimes because I want to pass on every down.
He said he wants to, but of course he knows he cant, and he’s had good stats from his RBs.
Yeah that’s exactly that. He wants to score often. The old adage is pass to score and run to win.
Shoot we drafted Asiati with needing him to instantly become one of 5 starters..
One year later, he might be the 15th guy, if not scratching for that 10th spot??
That’s how much the OL talent has been improved!!!
GOFINS!!!
Not true, they drafted Asiata 5th round in 2017 looking to redshirt him his rookie year. If he doesn’t speed up his game he won’t make the team in 2018. We’re talking 5th rd pick here. Not that big of a deal. Less than half of the prospects in that range make it in the NFL.
Yea I know,
But when we drafted him we didn’t have Jesse Davis,
Ted Larsen missed the first half of the season, etc,
So 5th round or whatever we were in dire need of him at least being active, if not starting or second string..
Now he’s probably at best the 4th G, and maybe not even that to all theses other newcomers not here in o17.. 4th G at best presently, fogetabout top 5 starter in o17 when the door was widely ajar for him!!
Yea I know, no big if the o17 fifth don’t make the o18 cut,
Cuz of what we’ve accrued since!!!
GOFINS!!!
Yea, I’d think that both T’s Smith & Young get the 7 – 8 OL spots.. Though I’d like to find a more experienced/proven backup LT upon final cuts!!
Leaving Brendal, Asiati, & the five mentioned newcomers fighting for 9- 10 OL of 53…
And usually we don’t have near ten OL active on gameday…
GOFINS!!!
Sternup, Matthews, Stienmentz, Hilland, Roubbens
Tim Knight says:
July 13, 2018 at 5:02 pm
Never read or heard he wants to pass on every down. That’s absurd for sure though if he does. LOL
I’m confident that’s not the case.
Reply
Damn you! LOL I’ve thought that!
Worry about AP? Come on…he was terrible last year. He had a great career but its over.
I was just joking.
Haven’t been on here in a while, but good job once again Mike.
Less than 2 weeks! Can’t wait for camp!
13KV, I think it was probably more just us fans wanting Isaac to be a starter then it was the coaching staff depending on it
Yea, I understand this BRO ck
GIMME 53 STARTERS,
GOFINS!!!
I don’t know if it’s just the air in July, but as I look over our roster right now, I think it looks pretty good.
Sometimes the negative national perception pisses players off, and instead of taking a vacation they do stuff like this. I wouldn’t expect it to have motivated these players to do this, but it may give them a little extra incentive.
Was listening to a piece on the draft and they were talking about our low draft grades by some, because we didn’t take a QB, then they mentioned teams like the Packers draft QBs, then later trade them for the same pick years later ike it’s a great deal for them.
Logic suggests that using a 3rd on a QB that doesn’t play for 2 years, except a meaningless week 17 game where he has 3 TDs and 300 yards, then is traded for a 3rd is a bad deal.
Here’s why, general perception is a 3rd in the current draft should be traded for next years 2nd, so based on that using a 3rd on a QB that doesn’t play in 2 years is equivalent to trading the pick for a pick 2 years later and 2 rounds higher.
The fair compensation should be a 2020 1st.
I follow your logic, Steve; makes sense to me.
If I used a 3rd rounder on a QB, he’d either be my future starter at some point or backup to my starter. Conversely, if I used a late round pick on a QB and built him up into something, it would make sense to entertain flipping him for a high round pick.
After reading about the TEs poised to have a breakout year and seeing their rookie stats its pretty unlikely that Gesicki has anything over 500 yards this year, but I don’t really care about the yards, I’d like to see 5 TDs and about 20 catches on 3rd down that result in a 1st down.
Exactly. If we’re to really spread the ball around, don’t expect any one receiver to have MAJOR stats like Jarvis Landry.
I agree with both of you.
Gore, 35, is among several Dolphins toiling this month at Bommarito Performance training, working with respected trainers Pete Bommarito and Joe Ferrer.
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Yeah, Gore is not coming here just to finish his career at home. He is going to make sure he finishes his career at the top of his game or close to it. Love the guy! Awesome pick up! Not sure what he eyes in his future post NFL player but would not mind seeing him on the phins sideline as a RB’s coach in the future with his work ethic and all.
He’s all the more reason that the retarded RB ranking we got makes no sense. If you aren’t sold on Drake (getting only 600 yards rushing would be a huge disappointment) or Ballage, then at least you have to think Gore will get over 1000 yards from scrimmage with at least 800 coming from the run, thus making us at least middle of the pack.
▪ Defensive end Charles Harris also has been a regular at Bommarito’s. “He’s a monster, a weight room guy, strong as hell, quick off the line,” Ferrer said. “Has a motor. Does not get tired. He’s going to be a good pass rusher. You can tell all the skills are there. His burst is tremendous off the line. Everyone is taking a break and Charles is like, ‘What’s next, what’s next?’ He wanted to get stronger, more explosive — just wanted to drop some body fat — he’s already a lean guy.”
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Mikey likey!!! This could be our best DE group in a very long time!
Thanks for posting the link M13
Deepest ever, with no group even close, not counting last year, since it’s mostly the same guys.
27 Quinn is quite the starting addition to o17’s group!!!
Harris developes, hits his stride at the right time,
and we don’t have an instant huge void once CW packs it in !!!
LOVE filling the cupboard long before it becomes an abyss!!!
GOFINS!!!
No problem, Brother!
In regards to Geisicki…the team just needs him, year 1, to make the plays that are there to be made. Sounds simple, but Cameron didn’t know what routes to run and Thomas didn’t really help in any regards. If he can just do what’s asked if himtheoffense will be much more efficient because of a sound threat at the position.
^^^
We do kind of need a redzone threat though.
If he does his job he will be that. JT was supposed to do that last year but was knocked off his spot all the time….Gesicki has a natural innate ability to create throwing windows. That ability is hard to teach…it was my biggest complaint about Devante Parker coming into the league and it’s still a struggle for him. Gesicki has it down and you saw it in the rookie OTA videoclip.
MR. Wake IS… A… BEAST!!!
We have lots of questions going into camp, but we have more answers. We know what Jones and TJ bring, so if Minkah doesn’t flash at FS out of the gate we’ll still be good.
LBs Alonso is our only constant, Raekwon, whether he shines right away is to be seen, but pretty sure, unless he’s awful I see him playing through it, and at least his leadership, lining guys up cant ne questioned. The rest aren’t on the field enough, but I’m sure between TJ, Anthony, Chase, Poling, and Baker we can get enough quality play for 25% of the snaps.
DE theres not much to question outside of is Quinn going to be a 12+ or 8+ sack guy.
DT if we get the same play as last year from our top 4 we’ll be ok.
Defense as a group, can we stop the pass? Adding Minkah, Baker and getting Lippett back we should be much improved.
Can we stop the run? I have no idea, but getting Raekwon in the middle cant hurt. Unless we’re bottom 3rd in the league and just get torched on the ground we’ll be ok, since this is a passing league.
“lots of questions going into camp, but we have more answers.”
More than ever before for a long time. I agree 100000%
Too Funny!!!
Inco named ambassador of anti-bullying non-profit group..
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24090452/nfl-offensive-lineman-richie-incognito-named-ambassador-anti-bullying-organization-boo2bullying
Inco
“””It just goes to show what can happen when you actually take the time to get to know someone, instead of treating them a certain way because they are different than you.””””
AWWW,
If only KMart had taken the time to get to know you,
LMAO!!!
Just got back from my 24 hr appt. Everything went great. My vision is already at 20/15! It is insane to be so clear that quickly since I have one eye offset and I will still have about 25% of the extra fluid in my eyes which causes halos. That should clear up in the next day or two. This is so amazing.
13kv, thanks for the positive things you said yesterday, bro. You’re a solid dude.
M13, based on my experience I highly recommend it. Understanding there are some risks associated with it is part of it. But I can say from experience now, I am having no ill effects. No loss of peripheral, no depth perception issues, no pain, no headaches. As I said above, I still have some small halos from light emitting sources, but that is normal and will clear up once the extra fluid from the surgery clears out.
I’m still wandering around in shock at how much crisper everything looks. Better than it was with my glasses. Now I’m off to the store to get some nice sunglasses. Talk to ya’ll later. 🙂
The craziest thing is, I had the surgery yesterday around 3:30, and I drove myself to the next day checkup this morning at 11:00.
AWESOME BROTHER!!!
See the girl in line in front of you..
Can you see (through the skin-tight jeans)
the color of the 25 year old Hottie’s panties??
Good for you Mann!!!
What do you think he is Superman? We are dealing with King Kong he doesn’t have X-ray vision. He just has better aim when he throws his poop now.
LOL, I’ll change my handle to SniperKong
Glad everything went well for you Kong
Kong, glad all went well. Awesome!!!
dbolt in the house!!!
LOL….Drinking & Thinking👍
I have a gut feeling Charles Harris is going to really break out this season. What say you?
Hope so and have a similar feeling as well. Like what I have been hearing/reading about him this off season.
He has the talent and his work ethic is off the charts. Just seems to all add up.
I have high hopes for Harris. I thought he was our most sound DE by the end of the year. If our OL holds up & we establish leads….he can be a terror
Agreed. When many rookies hit a wall at some point in the season, Harris played better down the stretch. Harris wants to be great. It’s a scary thing when you have a guy who has the talent and is self motivated.
Absolutely love those who are self motivated and self accountable. Harris was the most mentally sound DE by the end of the year. He was the best at reading screens and was the least reckless pass rusher. Seems to have an unbelievable IQ….those are the types of players who grow and last in the league.
“He just has better aim when he throws his poop now.”
LMAO, Ken
dbolt, I think Gesicki’s presence alone with draw attention from opposing defenses. Don’t let that guy get behind you.
Yep, and that’s why I say all he needs to do is make the plays that are there for him. Next year is when I’ll say he needs to create plays on his own.
With that said….I personally expect more from him. If we ISO him on the perimeter like we used to do with Clay you could be talking about 800yds and 8-10TDs. Just a much more physically gifted player than Clay.
His catch radius is huge – QB friendly.
I love the catch radius, but most importantly for me, IMO, is his ability to create space between himself and the sideline which opens great throwing windows along w/ plenty of green to come down inbounds. This IMO is a very undervalued trait that’s talked about when guys come into the league.
My guess is we drafted Gesicki because Gase liked his skill set and has a vision for him. He brings something to the table that we didn’t have due to his size, vertical, speed and catch radius. He should be a threat down the seam, on the sidelines and in the red zone. Parker can do all of that as well, but from the TE position Gesicki gives us an even bigger target and a matchup issue for opposing defenses.
If Parker can stay healthy, him and Gesicki on the field at the same time pose mismatches because most DBs aren’t as big as Parker and most LBs aren’t as big or as fast as Gesicki. We really do have a lot of skill and speed on offense.
This is true although I think Parker still takes himself out of too many plays because of his lack of sideline spacing. Hopefully it all comes together for him.
Parker is frustrating and disappointing at times but no denying his natural ability. One thing he rarely does is drop passes. When he’s healthy he has the ability to be a difference maker.
He absolutely does. He’s not a headcase player which I love, but I personally want to see more determination from him. If he can ever find that switch to play through adverse situations he can be special. I just don’t know if he’ll get to that point…..though I truly hope so!
M13, when you look at our roster you can see potential to be very good in plenty of areas. I guess because we have a quite a few new players and a lot of youth and nobody has seen this current team play together people don’t know what to make of it. But all these pundits predicting us to suck boggles my mind. I almost feel like they didn’t do their homework and have no idea who’s on this team. If we stay relatively healthy a lot of these pundits are going to be chowing down on major crow.
YUP!
They just listen to the beat writers and those guys are so gun shy, because of all the bad seasons we’ve had recently., and all the crap they take from fans of they predict a good season and it doesn’t happen.
Gesicki was drafted for Mike E! Gase listened!
There’s a little more to the story than you’ve been let on to know. Brian from NY and his son, Mike E, and I caught a flight down to Arlington the night before the Draft, see. That’s when we ran into Mike Tannenbaum… 😀
Wow! Didn’t know you guys had that much pull😉
LOL
LOL.
Good job
If Loggains can get the team to play Footloose our Offense can surely take it to the Danger Zone.. when that happens i will say Im Alright !!
We will probably put up another “goose “ egg
Retch, cough cough
Would like to see the stat that shows how we ranked on all snaps against the blitz, before I saw I dare you to blitz us.
I saw that, but where does the “might” play into it, if they’re building it, it will be the practice facility.
Just watched a condensed version of the SD game from last year, and the result meh, but then again, anytime we win in SD it’s all good. Landry, Ajayi, Parker, and Cutler looked good, but not great. Landry was a big 1st down maker as was Ajayi, Parker with some nice catches.
The secondary was not bad, but not good. Suh with some nice plays, but took some off, if he didn’t play we’d have still won. Hull with some tackles, but really no business being on the field.
I expect a much better team this year.
Stills and Parker do some good things, but they aren’t the guys that keep drives alive too often, and don’t think they’ll ever be. Wilson and Amendola and the backs will be those guys, and hopefully Gesicki too, which gives us the luxury of having big play Stills and Parker and Grant.
You spend the game trying to stop Amendola, Wilson, Gesicki, Drake, and Gore beating you through the air, then once you think you have them contained there goes Stills for 6.
Going to be fun watching.
The table has been set, can RT sit back and pick apart the D? If he can…
You folks see/hear the Mic’d-up Amendola/Stills thing??
GoodStuff!!
At MD.com, had to view at YouTube from phone…
#14 who??
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NkatfKRrZSY
GOFINS!!!
Cool stuff!
Pretty cool reading real-time text during Drakes best plays of o17
LOL, on one Drake streak, a fan comments
“””I thought Usain Bolt was Jamaican, not KENYAN”””
TOOFUNNY!!!
GOFINS!!!
Pats fans freaking out when Drakes killing’Em, GREATSTUFF,
Neutral fans suggesting that Drakes a beast etc, etc, Fun Watch
And some AWESOME RUNS!!!
I noticed a lot of those runs were on 1st and 10. 😉
😱
They don’t count, because he got a 1st down.