Chris Grier is clearly the Top Dog, The Big Man, Numero Uno Honcho, The Head Cheese. This is his ballgame, at least for this season. He’ll be responsible for our draft, and for choosing wisely in the 2022 Free Agency period before and after the draft. Whomever is hired as Head Coach will have the understanding that Chris Grier, at least for the moment is the man with the power and the final say on personnel decision making. He will accommodate his new Head Coach, but he will not be overrun by him. The Dolphins should be able to fill some huge holes in Free Agency, otherwise known as “Overpaying Contracts”. It doesn’t matter, we have to spend money, and we will. If we overpay, so be it, it’s expected. Besides having a few key positions of need, we have our own free agents that need to be taken care of. Let’s put it this way, we don’t need to save for the future, we need to get this team right now. Fix the biggest issue, which is the O-line and then work at giving Tua some upgraded weapons at RB and WR, not necessarily through Free Agency, but both Free Agency and the NFL Draft. Our first pick will likely be one of the last 3 picks in RD 1, and Grier needs to hit on that one. He no longer has an arsenal of multiple first, second and third round picks, and for a change we’re making our first selection at the end of the 1st round, but unfortunately not because we won a playoff game.
To address re-signing our own guys, the most obvious target is DE Emmanuel Ogbah. His market value is slated at $10M per year but I’m thinking more like $12-14M. Either way, he’s priority number one. Mike Gesicki will be a curious situation to keep an eye on. We know Gesicki is a talented receiving TE, and we also know Chris Grier selected him in RD 2, pick #42 in 2018. He’s had a nice career as a Miami Dolphins TE, not as good as I expected though. I still feel like he was underused here. I’d have thought he’d be the most dynamic receiving TE in a Dolphins uniform but that still belongs to former TE Randy McMichael. Randy Mac finished his first 4 seasons with 221 receptions, 2456 yards and 15 TD’s. Slightly behind is Gesicki with 199 receptions for 2255 yards and 13 TD’s. I truly thought Gesicki’s totals should have been higher. Twice in McMichael’s first 4 he was targeted over 100 times, Gesicki finally did that last season, but the caveat there is it was a 17 game season. Like I said, underused. My next guy is Nik Needham. I love this kid, and I hope we consider him an important part of our team. The 25 year old defensive back has played anywhere and everywhere and has played well. He’s averaged 50-60 tackles per season and has 6 INT’s in 3 seasons. He also has 23 passes defensed. He’s a team player and an unselfish one. The next player I want to re-sign but more for depth is LB Elandon Roberts. He’s a strong 2 down run stopper as we have seen for the last couple of years. TE Durham Smythe is another player we should re-sign, and I believe it’s possible Smythe is signed before Gesicki and possibly instead of Gesicki if Gesicki’s price is too steep. We MUST also re-sign ST’s ace and WR Mack Hollins. He’s a high priority re-sign as well.
OK, now on to the rest of the NFL’s potential castoffs. We need a huge upgrade or 2 on our O-line. We can address one or both in FA, and I can almost guarantee you that we will be spending a good amount on at least one of the top tier offensive linemen. To quickly reiterate, I’m not convinced we’re going to be looking for a tackle, although the argument for one can easily be made. My belief is still that Austin Jackson can be our LT and Liam Eichenberg can be our RT. That would indicate we’d be looking for interior OL, either 2 guards or a guard and a center. I think the latter is more likely. Brandon Scherff and Andrew Norwell are the top OG’s, but the guy I had mentioned weeks ago and still prefer is 49ers LG Laken Tomlinson. He plays every game every season and would solidify the left side and help young Austin Jackson at LT. I like Robert Hunt at RG so I’d prefer we look for an OC. The pickings are slim unless we’re looking for a C over 30. The Detroit Lions lost their star OC Frank Ragnow early on and turned to former NYG and former Dolphin C Evan Brown. Brown had a great season starting 12 games for the Lions. He’s a FA and just 25 years old. Ted Karras is another option. He played OG last season for the rival Patriots but as we all know, he played C for us here in 2020 and played well enough. Who knows if Karras would be willing to come back. If wellok at OT, Terron Armstead would be tops, both in talent and $$$. Cam Robinson from the Jaguars would be a younger and less expensive option. I hope we don’t look for an OT as I’ve mentioned.
Besides the O-line, we need to upgrade our WR corps. I don’t want top tier, address the best in the draft, but a nice 2nd tier WR is possible. We’re not a Davante Adams away from the SB so spend wisely here. Christian Kirk from the Cardinals is a nice talent. Others here have fallen for Byron Pringle of the Chiefs. I worry a bit about those 3rd, 4th and 5th option guys. Plays break down in KC and Mahomes is flushed and the defense naturally rolls to Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce so of course guy like Pringle will either be in single or coverage or even possibly uncovered. We kind of saw the same thing with Sammy Watkins when he was with the Chiefs. Now Kirk played mostly in the slot, but he’s young and talented. D.J. Chark is a guy who has feasted on the perimeter and is a big bodied, agile player. 6’4 200, coming off a fractured ankle injury which should affect his playing career. He’s a 4.34 40 guy with a tremendous 40″ vertical. I’d say Chark would be number one target at WR, he’s been productive in a less than ideal offensive situation in Jacksonville. There’s also JuJu Smith-Schuster who had tremendous early success in his career at Pittsburgh, but has since been pushed back into the shadows by receivers like Chase Claypool and Dionte Johnson. Could a change of scenery jump-start JuJu? JuJu is a tough, fight for the ball type of receiver with less than ideal speed but good athleticism and ability.th Chark and Juju are only 25.
I’m going to cover the 2022 NFL Draft and in particular our needs in a future article. For now I’m going to leave you with my Free Agency wants, since there is Free Agency before the draft, and then of course, after the draft where a whole host of players are released and then become available once teams shuffle their rosters post draft. We’re one of the top 5 in cap space available so if we choose not to take my advice and go out and spend top money, we have it at approximately $67.5M. Let’s hope our guy Chris Grier gets the first part of the equation right so we go into the draft with better flexibility to make this team better.
#stangerstrong
GO DOLPHINS!!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
I’m wondering how many of you that were bitching about Burrow over Tua really have an issue with Ross wanting pay the coach to lose??????
I do love my irony! 😉
That’s the most concerning item of his list in my opinion if Ross actually did that.
I mean what he’s accusing the Giants of maybe ethically worse but I don’t care about the Giants
Guys
DONT LISTEN TO REPORTING
This is a link to the lawsuit and the allegation
Click to access Complaint-against-National-Football-League-et-al-Filed.pdf
Interesting
“As this Class Action Complaint is filed on the first day of Black History Month,
we honor the brave leaders that fought so hard to help break down racial barriers of
injustice. Martin Luther King Jr., Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks, Frederick Douglass, JackieRobinson and Mamie Till, to name only a few”
decided to file on the first day of black history month
It’s really more about the history of the nfl than the Dolphins so I would say that’s consistent with that idea and principles
I’m about to post a small explanation of the suit
So is it more of a symbolic filing?
Why the fuck would anyone pick a profession were you have to read shit like that and talk like that every day??????????? 😉
I regret it all tHe time….lol
The league will be more worried about the tampering than the “Tanking”!
yep
NFL could force Ross to sell , Fire Bellicheat for collusion, and bring Flores in as HC of the patsies!!
Where there is smoke, there is fire. Why is it always us, ever since Steve Ross took ownership?
SERIOUSLY, ask yourselves that question.
This has nothing to do with the Dolphins
It’s the entire nfl
Read the suit
I think you’re missing my point, bud… why does this $#!T keep happening to US, as the focal point of BS?
So this stuff is probably a pain in he ass to read but some of us read this for a living
I quickly looked at suit. Everything about the Dolphins is on page 34.
The case is really about the nfls history of discrimination
But some recent acts are consistent with that according to Flores
I’ll cut and paste the portions
A. Brian Flores
i. Background on Brian Flores
130. Mr. Flores, the son of Honduran immigrants, grew up in the housing projects in Brownsville, Brooklyn, New York. Mr. Flores managed to navigate and avoid the perils of drugs, gangs and violence in one of the city’s toughest neighborhoods and grew to love his home neighborhood and city. As it was put by a childhood friend, “Brownsville is the trenches . . . and Brian was like a rose growing out of the concrete.”28
131. Mr. Flores excelled academically and began playing football. After a successful high school and college playing career, Mr. Flores was hired as a scout by the New England Patriots and, in 2008, transitioned to a coaching position. Mr. Flores received multiple promotions, and, during his tenure, the Patriots appeared in five Super Bowls, winning three of them. In the last of these Super Bowls, when Mr. Flores called the Patriots’ defensive plays, the Patriots held the Los Angeles Rams to three points, tied for the fewest ever in a Super Bowl.
132. In 2019, on the heels of his outstanding performance with the Patriots, Mr. Flores was offered the Miami Dolphins Head Coach position. By all accounts, Mr. Flores did a fantastic job in three seasons from 2019-2021. In his first year, Miami’s gutted roster won five games despite many experts predicting an 0-16 season and one of the worst teams in NFL history.
133. The Dolphins owner, Stephen Ross, was unhappy with this performance not
because it was under-performing. To the contrary, Mr. Ross wanted the Mr. Flores to “tank” the
season to put the team in position to secure the first pick in the draft. Indeed, during the 2019
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See O’Connor, Ian, “The Patriots’ next coaching star? His odds were incredibly long”, ESPN.com, (Mar. 7, 2018), available at: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22262842/brian-flores-new-england-patriots-next- coaching-star-emerge-bill-belichick-tree.
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season, Mr. Ross told Mr. Flores that he would pay him $100,000 for each game lost that
year. Then, when the Dolphins started winning games, due in no small part to Mr. Flores’ coaching, Mr. Flores was told by the team’s General Manager, Chris Grier, that “Steve” was “mad” that Mr. Flores’ success in winning games that year was “compromising [the team’s] draft position.”
134. After the end of the 2019 season, Mr. Ross began to pressure Mr. Flores to recruit a prominent quarterback in violation of League tampering rules. Mr. Flores repeatedly refused to comply with these improper directives. Undeterred, in the winter of 2020, Mr. Ross invited Mr. Flores onto a yacht for lunch. Shortly after he arrived, Mr. Ross told Mr. Flores that the prominent quarterback was “conveniently” arriving at the marina. Obviously, Mr. Ross had attempted to “set up” a purportedly impromptu meeting between Mr. Flores and the prominent quarterback. Mr. Flores refused the meeting and left the yacht immediately. After the incident, Mr. Flores was treated with disdain and held out as someone who was noncompliant and difficult to work with.
135. Over the remaining year and a half of Mr. Flores tenure at the helm of the Miami Dolphins, he was routinely made to feel uncomfortable based upon his decision not tank in order to secure the top pick in the 2019 draft. Upon information and belief, no white Head Coach has ever been subjected to such ridicule over winning and holding the spirt of the game in such high regard. In fact, Mr. Flores was ultimately terminated and subsequently defamed throughout the media and the League as he was labeled by the Dolphins brass as someone who was difficult to work with. This is reflective of an all too familiar “angry black man” stigma that is often casted upon Black men who are strong in their morals and convictions while white men are coined as passionate.
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136. The following year, in 2020, despite this discriminatory treatment, the Dolphins improbably won 10 games, narrowly missing the playoffs, and Mr. Flores was mentioned as a potential coach of the year candidate. In 2021, Miami again finished with a winning record, and fans, pundits and experts all agree the team played extraordinarily hard for Mr. Flores. Nonetheless, Mr. Flores was terminated just three years into his five-year contract with the Dolphins. He was told that he was being terminated for “poor collaboration,” which itself has discriminatory undertones.
137. Mr. Flores’ only failure to collaborate was his refusal to tank the 2019 season as had been requested by Mr. Ross. When he refused, and then over-performed and led the team to winning records in two consecutive seasons with a roster few experts predicted could do so—he was fired.
138. Mr. Flores was discharged from his duties as the Dolphins Head Coach on January 10, 2022. Countless current and former players, executives and media analysts expressed their dismay at Mr. Flores’ termination,29 and he immediately became one of the top Head Coach candidates on the market.
Sorry about formatting
I’m sayin’… Steve Ross and Brian Flores are embodied in what you just posted, man. That’s a direct reflection on our Miami Dolphins.
Yeah, I was scrolling through that thing and it’s like a bad Wikipedia article. It’s really throwing a lot of junk against the wall. There’s an entire section about Jon Gruden and most of the stuff doesn’t even have to do with anything racial.
Brady did not mention New England, their fans, players on the patsies, Kraft the John, or Bellicheat in his retirement speech, but he did thank and cheer for future success to all the Tampa Bay ppl.
It’s class action suite against the nfl and every team in the nfl
It mentions things like kaepernick, beinenemy not getting interviews, Jim Caldwell getting fired etc….
It’s not a suit by him against the Dolphins specifically, so what he is doing is suing as an example of the entire class – it’s the whole nfl he blames for that
The stuff about the Dolphins wanted tampering isn’t necessarily discriminatory unless you view Ross alleged request as making Flores the scapegoat
But he’s suggesting that Caldwell was fired by colts after being put in a position to lose and so being paid to lose was consistent with that
But it’s really a suit against the nfl – it actually names every team and every incident they can think of discrimination
Get yourself $3 B or so.
M13
It’s not happening to just us. Its happening to the entire nfl. His suit is about the history of discrimination of the nfl
Yessir, I do understand as much. But what he’s alleging is putting our Miami Dolphins in hot water as well. NOT looking good for Steven Ross… and we’re currently trying to hire a new HC.
WHY does this keep happening to us?!!
But it’s happening because of the way WE handled our business with him…
EXACTLY!!!
Regardless of outcome, I think the fact this all blew up like this instead of being handled professionally speaks volumes about our organization.
These kinds of things happen on all teams all the time without going nuclear. With players it’s one thing, but from an organizational leader like a HC?
I’m going oto be ordering some size 13 clown shoes and a bright pink wig to wear with my Dolphins jerseys because our organization is a joke.
^^^
Sigh, I just enjoy watching football and cheering for my team. Smh
Same here
Piggy,
It sounds like a lot of hearsay and bitterness to me. People get fired and there’s no expectation (or shouldn’t be) that a player should be a coach or executive after playing. It basically saying that a league who would not be allowed to have the same racial numbers in any other field, but sports is racist for not giving more. That one of the few ‘free rides’ for young black men isn’t doing enough to give them rides. It’s saying that young men who earn more by age 30 than most people ever see in their entire lives are being used as plantation slaves instead of highly paid and compensated individuals.
I’m sure this is exactly what a civil rights BS campaign looks like, but it’s racist as hell with no real evidence behind it. Black people got fired or weren’t hired!!! Racism!!! Thats’ exactly what I read.
He will need a lot of evidence of these claims will he not? How will he get them because most of it looks like sour grapes TBH. He’s pulling a Kaepernick.
I agree with ya, New Age… I truly do.
MY beef is what led to this… and his name is Stephen Ross.
I’m really curious to see what he has to back up his claims about us with the tanking and Brady stuff.
I wouldn’t call it hearsay
We know about the nfl disparities when it comes o coaching and front office jobs. That’s just factual
When I was in law school 20 years ago, my employment discrimination professor would use the disparities as an example
We know about the nfl cracking down on kaepernick making a political stamement that involved race
We know beienemy didn’t get a job interview
Most of the stuff alleged is factually true, there fix stuff about tanking and tampering that seems like a one sided allegation and hearsay – maybe that’s what you meant
But the suit is really about known facts that people have been discussing for decades now. Flores is just using his recent experiences/allegations as the catalyst
But it’s actually not hard to prove a lot of the stuff
The nfl has been ripe for a suit like this for a long while now
The “Joe Robbie curse” is still alive, y’all… I swear.
🐕💩
I think you guys are really missing the point
The lawsuit uses Flores own experiences recently but it’s about things that they say the nfl has done for decades
Its 95% of about facts that don’t involve the Dolphins at all
If you are viewing this as a Dolphins problem or a Ross problem, i think you are missing the problem
Btw the bill belicick texts in in are unbelievable….it’s crazy
Belicheat thought he was texting Daboll to congratulate Daboll and he texted Flores
Piggy, I understand what you’re saying and I’m not disagreeing with that aspect of this whole thing. Ultimately the lawsuit itself is about the entire NFL with us being a small part of that.
I’m just saying if any of this is true then the fuse was lit because of the way we handled Flores.
If we truly jettisoned him for the reasons he is purporting, and then after firing him we smeared him to save organizational face, laid the Watson stuff on him, etc. Then our top guys have no idea how to run this kind of business and keep these kinds of things from blowing back.
It’s a significant part of running an organization of this kind and size. There will always be PR stuff and personnel drama to maneuver around, and it seems our guys have a penchant for doing exactly the wrong things to make things worse.
Cav, it’s one reason I didn’t think Harbaugh fit. Our organization is a mess. I think he needs structure even if it’s his own version. This team is a disaster from top to bottom. That’s can’t look good to an experienced HC.
I can’t argue with that, lol.
That’s the problem for the Giants if it’s true. Flores is saying the same thing happened to him in Denver in 2019. He didn’t say anything about it until it happened to him again this year.
Stephen Ross’ issues are the tampering and asking Flores to lose for the top pick in 2019 and offering him bonus money to do so. If that’s true he’ll have to sell the team.
Pigster,
I don’t care the angle you’re looking at it (I say that with RESPECT to you, man), this is another shiner on Ross’ resume as an owner… that cannot be disputed, bud.
YES, you are obviously correct that this suit alleges WAY higher than our Phins… but it still puts another black eye on Ross, no matter how ya look at it, man.
Only if Flores can produce proof. Otherwise it is just sour grapes.
I think it’s a huge mistake to view it like that
It’s not just higher or other people than the Dolphins
It’s about rampant discrimination in the nfl for decades
We will see if some one like Caldwell who is not employed joins this suit
But the entire nfl is wearing that shiner. No one is innocent of what Flores is alleging – not one team
How many coaches, GMs, etc would they need to push this and how much can they push without true factual data? Would it need current HCs? How much can you push on decades old occurrences that would be impossible to prove today?
They have factual data about the disparities
If 90% of the players are black but 5% are coach’s or gms are black, that factual data and evidence in these kind of cases
That’s called “disparate treatment”
However the scotus doesn’t recognize disparate treatment as actionable discrimination
This is from 2015
https://ogletree.com/insights/supreme-court-rules-employers-motive-not-knowledge-decides-disparate-treatment-claims/
Honestly it’s a complicated and very nuanced answer
But specifically the Dolphins firing Flores based on discriminatory reasons may be able to fight against for practical reasons all football fans understand, he got 3 years and couldn’t make the playoffs
M13, I have to say you always say don’t believe everything you hear especially in the media which you just said yesterday, but if it’s a negative about Ross you’re all in hook line and sinker. We’re all discussing what we’re hearing without knowing if any of it’s true or not. Let’s wait to see how this goes as it is very fresh right now.
I’ve already said numerous times if Ross tampered and offered Flores money to lose he’s done as an owner. I’m not accusing or defending anyone. It’s all about the facts.
Fuck it. Kill the league. I’m sure most of players are highly employable. At least at minimum wage.
I agree. I truly hope the NFL folds.
Well that sounds a lot like pound sand to me!
That is a pretty quick and strong denial from a league that always plays the angles. I really hope they blow him out of the water, and he has nothing except Belicheat’s texts to back up his claims.
I don’t see his case. Flores was interviewed by the Giants on the 18th. He was scheduled a 2nd interview which shows interest. He didn’t get the second interview but so what? It happens, especially when a new GM is hired in the interim. The NFL doesn’t force Rooney Second Interviews. He had two more interviews lined up. I don’t see a single toenail he has to stand on, but I am very glad he’s no longer here. Hopefully he loses in spectacular fashion as we hear more NFL racism talk for the next two years. YAY!!!! I would like to get the Farce Rooney Rule disbanded but no progressive push is ever too hard. If the NFL doesn’t have 80% black coaches, why do we even let these racists play ball?
The Rooney rule it actually what is going to protect the nfl in this suit
If the giants interviewed him knowing they had their guy just to satisfy the rule, it also a league violation of the rule -expect the league to take that posture
But if he is just doing interviews to fill quotas, it’s potentially discriminatory conduct if the nfl I in on it, if it’s the team, it’s the team that discriminated, and then a league has anti trust issues I can explain bc it’s confusing to me
I think there’s an easy case to make that Flores was fired for non-discriminatory reasons, bc in that scenario you have to compare his predecessors, who were fired with similar records
It’s just very hard to argue that the nfl does not have a history of discrimination
Piggy,
I don’t know law nearly as well as you. I think it was obviously discriminatory for decades, but wouldn’t this suit have to show discrimination after the Rooney Rule? As you said, that was the failsafe, so wouldn’t they have to show clear discrimination after it was installed? Do you think they have a case for that time period?
Now we see why Watson likes Flores
I wonder if Bill will be the same on the stand as he is in his pressers? 🙂
pheloniusphish says:
February 1, 2022 at 6:51 pm
Only if Flores can produce proof. Otherwise it is just sour grapes.
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Agreed, 100%, Phelon.
But until an investigation gets underway, this serves to YET AGAIN undercut our Miami Dolphins as we continue our search for our next HC.
Again… WHY does this shit continue to happen to our franchise under the ownership of Steve Ross, man?
Kind of makes you miss Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito doesn’t it?
Post of the day 🤣🤣🤣🤣
https://twitter.com/DeVanteParker11/status/1488662245085229057?s=20&t=0-g-RozRS-lk6YMGulVC5g
I don’t really care about the lawsuit. Yeah we look kind of stupid but who cares. So Ross wanted to tank so what. I am sure this is not unique and yes Ross is an asshole nothing new there
Even belicheat looks dumb
I got to say i don’t care about it either except to say the nfl really has been looking at this oncoming train for a long time
But I am pushing back against this being a Dolphins problem
It’s the same thing as saying Joe burrow making the super bowl makes the Dolphins look bad – and we know people in the media are eager to say that
Same concept
Tim Knight says:
February 1, 2022 at 6:59 pm
M13, I have to say you always say don’t believe everything you hear especially in the media which you just said yesterday, but if it’s a negative about Ross you’re all in hook line and sinker…
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How many times has something come up regarding Ross and his former HCs? It’s like Groundhog Day (tomorrow, by the way). He always shits on the HC he recently fired.
Anybody sense a trend? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
Ross is a professional CLOWN, man.
I don’t disagree I’m just saying be consistent. 😉
I hear ya, but Steve Ross has been CONSISTENTLY problemo numero uno in Miami, man! 😉
So did Flores make $1.1M losing ? I’ll take that job!
And now it’s reported Lady would have played here if it wasn’t for Flores? Shit is wild
Me too….lol
herdfan says:
February 1, 2022 at 7:01 pm
Kind of makes you miss Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito doesn’t it?
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Funny I was just thinking this all spiraled when we took Johny’s side and fired Richie.
Maybe we are seen as not having any backbone??????
So Flores really is a fucking asshole after all.
Not sure that’s fair to say, Brian. However, maybe he has some Polaroids of Steve Ross and Robert Kraft at a massage parlor in South Beach… and maybe that’s why Deshaun Watson wants to come to Miami…
It seems fair at this point. It looks like sour grapes to me. If there is proof that Ross actually did that then it’s a different story. But I doubt there will be any proof.
Bill talking to Brian today?
https://twitter.com/Marcel_LJ/status/1488664284993359872?s=20&t=0-g-RozRS-lk6YMGulVC5g
I can understand it, being our Phins organization is so FUCKED UP from top-to-bottom. Thank you, Steve Ross! SMMFH
Well, that sucks. Don’t think it has anything to do with the suit either, seems as if the Dolphins didn’t really make a play. Shame on us
Question:
Why is race a factor when we fire a guy but not when we hire him? I find it practically impossible for this to be legit. We hired him, if we were racist, that wouldn’t have happened in the first place. So he gets fired and then all of a sudden they became racist. Sorry, fuck off!
Believe it or not, you aren’t wrong
I know you might be surprised by me agreeing….lol
But actually hiring practices is a defense to this kind of suit
It’s actually a real problem for Flores legally IMO that the Dolphins have a minority GM and the the nfl has a procedure to require minority interviews (Rooney rule)
What a fucking mess we are in yet again.
Hopefully McDaniel will actually take this job…
But we’re racists. Why would we hire him?
Because he’s white?
It’s absurd. I just can’t believe we are in yet another mess
Bri – I thought he was biracial
I was kidding
I’m in a good mood bc of my closing so I just don’t want to argue or be negative or whatever
So on behalf of myself to all of you – fuck off in advance so I don’t have to be reminded to say it later….lol
😆No seriously, I just don’t want to be negative right now
I don’t like Ross and I realize this team likes to embarrass us and piss in our cornflakes
And that discrimination is a heated issue
I just don’t feel like dealing with it now
I’m gonna play in the mud
Just settle down. Let it play out a little. It’s really something that’s been coming a long time
Piggy – Exactly. It’s out of line. We hired him, black man as Head Coach and one of the men that hired him was the black GM. I mean WTF . . .
Allow the facts to play out, bud. I think that at the end of the day, this was more about fucking Steve Ross, for Steve Ross fucking him.
I don’t believe the media, nor should YOU… or ANYBODY else. It’s all sensationalism for clicks, and that’s how they make their livings.
Yeah, I read what Pigster posted… and it’s REAL. But right now, it’s all about sensational ‘journalism’. We’ll see what happens.
It doesn’t change the fact that racist angle is bull shit. Why would they hire him if they were racist?
Enjoy the condo Piggy. I heard the unit is kind of messy. A real pigsty I am told
😂
Have we hired a coach yet? WTF?
I really hope that $100,000 per game tank is a lie: that would be pretty tough to prove unless he was paid in cash.
It’s funny how people show up…
Everyone seems to have an agenda….
Just be real and do your best…
KISS..
Then they’ll hire Jim Harbaugh and that will look bad too.
Now we are legal/complicit. Lmao!
Brian in NY says:
February 1, 2022 at 8:13 pm
It doesn’t change the fact that racist angle is bull shit. Why would they hire him if they were racist?
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I hear ya, man. I’m not sticking up for Brian Flores and his nonsense… I’m calling out Steve Ross for his consistent BS… we can’t take much more of it anymore.
It’s embarrassing.
Where was this in Flores’ going away statement?
I don’t think the Dolphins are implicated in the Rooney Rule stuff. How could they be? They hired a minority HC in Flores, have a minority GM in Grier, a minority Asst. GM in Allen and another executive in McKenzie. It’s about Ross tampering in 2020 and trying to tank for Burrow with bonuses to lose.
Which every single outlet was calling for all year long. Then screaming about it when it was happening. Then shitting on the Fins for winning ….
Now they are on their high horses about Ross trying to get done what they all and most of the people here wanted. Give me a break.
None of that matters what the media and some fans wanted us to do. If Ross did these things;
1. Tampering won’t make him have to sell the team, but he’ll be fined and none of us care about that. But the NFL will likely take draft picks away from us so he fucked us with that.
2. Trying to lose on purpose and bribing your HC to do so violates the integrity of the league, and he will be forced to sell the team.
Maybe 2. is the one we should be rooting for. 😉
2! Interesting twist about Ross. Money talks…..and…
He has never held his pocket book back from the Dolphins….yet….so much drama.
Of course. The judges didn’t win 7 rings.
Oh.
Wait …
LOL, that’s another thing.
Isn’t it funny that the Evil Genius is the smoking gun with the Giants hiring issue by texting the wrong Brian? 😉
Ross won’t be owner that much longer. Either he is going to sell the team or die. I don’t really care that much about him anymore. I just hope his anointed prodigy who has right of first refusal has a better football head on his shoulders than Ross did
Lol…that works
Truth lol
Agreed. He does too much goofy shit and always allows drama to hover over the organization. I hope he sells the team even if not forced to. It’s enough already.
I think the suit is thin. It alleges Elway was a drunken bum, but that’s not a crime. It alleges the Giants told the Cheater they decided to hire his former assistant coach so they could be considered twice unethical.
We aren’t accused of being racist, the giants and Broncos are.
We are accused of being criminals.
Big difference.
That’s what I’ve been trying to say. It’s not necessarily racist though, it’s about not truly abiding by the Rooney Rule for the Giants and Broncos.
We’re not being accused of being criminals per say, but shady. All of this is shady.
How are we criminals? You lost me….unethical might be criminal….
Is this the same kind of situation that Washington is dealing with? Meaning, will the NFL and teams named have to give up all organizational communications?
Hope not….but seems scary.
Glad to see you back on here, my friend. 🙂
Wish it was to talk about a Dolphins amazing playoff run instead, lol.
No that was a league investigation so the league had authority to obtain all communication I am sure that is in league by laws. This suit will be governed by Federal Rules of Civil Procedure which can be broad but are not unlimited. I am also sure there will be lots of motion practice over what is and is not discoverable
Cheers, Ken
Good to see you back, Krishna!
We all love the game of football and the NFL or we wouldn’t be here on this blog. The playoffs have been awesome. But all this other clusterfuck shit is so irritating. The NFL has a big problem heading into the Super Bowl and beyond. It’s a PR nightmare.
All the percentaage arguments are strawman.
There are no Black owners – Who is the last black billionaire who tried to buy a team?
70% of the players are black – How many are qualified to be a coach or want to be a coach. Same for execs.
Here’s one they didn’t throw out – Of the 8 coaches fired this year how many were black and how many were white? (2/6)
Was just talking to my friend about this. Black owners is a tough one because there are only 32 teams and if an owner doesn’t sell there is no way in. Also how many black billionaires want to buy an NFL team? Someone like Oprah could but does she want to?
The real issue here is getting around the Rooney Rule which we all know is easy for teams to do. If the coach a team wants happens to be white, they know they have to interview minority candidates but they’re going to hire who they want anyway.
The fact that black head coaches have dwindled from like 11 or something like that at its highest over the years to just Mike Tomlin, is still an issue regardless of how anyone looks at it. It’s not all about minority coaches, it’s about black. Ron Rivera and Robert Saleh and maybe a couple of others are considered minority but they’re not “black”.
If Ross offered a bribe to lose football games that would be considered crimson on some level I would imagine.
Criminal
And criminal
A text from a friend of mine that sums up my feelings about the lawsuit:
Least he screwed up Brady’s retirement
I need to thank all who supported me…I’m sure Ken went Hulkster on the admins. Lmao.
LOL.even Hulk afraid of Herd. I n all seriousness there is much respect for you amongst the admins
CAN’T COMMENT on the veracity of Flores’ specific accusations. I’ll let the legal system play out and decide AFTER that. However, this does NOT inspire potential head coaching candidates to apply for the Miami job, and that’s an under statement. My guess is that those who will work for less money will have a greater chance of getting hired.
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I JUST FINISHED a settling a serious complaint I had against the Dolphins ticket office. After telling them SIX TIMES that I would NOT be renewing my season’s tickets, they went ahead and billed my credit card anyway for a partial payment for next year’s tickets. I’ll save you the nauseating details and simply say my credit card company sided with me in this dispute in demanded that the Dolphins STOP hitting my card for ANYTHING!!! I’ve NEVER had any previous ticket agent with the Dolphins’ hit my card under these circumstances—NEVER!!! A spokesman for the ticket office confessed to me that they are under “INCREDIBLE PRESSURE” to get these season tickets renewed AS FAST AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE!! –Back in the Huizenga era, tickets weren’t renewed until weeks after the Super Bowl had been played. NOW, Ross wants his money up front in November, which is why I cancelled my tickets in OCTOBER!!! And I could PROVE IT by my telephone records!!!
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ROSS IS A PROVEN SCUMBAG and a horrid owner, beyond any doubt in my mind. Ask his former head coach. Ask Brian Billick. Ask his former WIFE!!! In his quest to produce a world class facility, he pretty much DESTROYED the team that used this facility. Under Ross’s leadership, the Dolphins have had the LONGEST STREAK IN FRANCHISE HISTORY without a playoff win. And these recent episodes virtually GUARANTEE that Ross’s Fins won’t be a serious contender next year, either. Yes, I’ll still root for the Fins. But Ross will get NOT 1 Cent of my money!
That should read “Not one cent of MY money!!”
Tim
I was venting about these “journalists” jumping on whatever bandwagon at the time. It isn’t reporting….
As for Ross. I don’t really care one way or another. Lol
Maybe this will be nothing or the nuke we’ve all been waiting for to get the great reset over and done with finally
It’s a white man billionaire club…facts.
Nothing racist intended…
Not 100% because Joe Robbie was Lebanese and would be considered a minority in today’s world, and then you have Shahid Khan the owner of the Jaguars is Pakistani which would also fall under the minority category. I don’t know if there are any others. But you have to remember a lot of these ownerships started along time ago and have been passed down. It’s not easy to buy an NFL team because they don’t sell much.
TIM: WHAT did you think of Trey Hendrickson’s performance against the CHIEFS?? I wasn’t surprised at all, after he destroyed offensive lines at FAU during his career in Conference USA. When he became a free agent last off-season, I was hoping he’d attract an offer from the Dolphins. But Ross’s front office, to the best of my knowledge, did not even make him an offer. Guess they were too involved in scouting over rated college O-Linemen to waste high draft picks on. Anyway, Trey and his team mates are headed to the Super Bowl, while Ross fends off more serious accusations.
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MIAMI’s BIGGEST NEED IS A NEW OWNER!!!
Trey Hendrickson is an excellent player.
After the NFL bent over backwards for the woke crowd watch them turn around and try to burn it down!
I do love irony!
That is what they’re facing.
I dont thinknpaying your own employer to lose games, even if that’s true is criminal
Some one doesn’t bribe their own employees
They are free to set the goals of their employees
If someone wanted to hire some one to do a horrible job – that would be perfect legal
Federal bribery statutes revolve around bribery of a public officials
State have the same and more – in ny there is a criminal statute for commercial bribery
And commercial bribery is defined as somenone bribing an employee without the employers consent
But it’s not criminal to hire some one to suck
It’s not a bribe
It’s probably a violation of the nfl charter and rules. If it’s not it should be if they want to be competitive
But it would not be illegal for Ross to pay Flores money to lose
And frankly it doesn’t make sense
You don’t have to bribe your own employees, you fire them if they don’t do what you want. Coaching in the nfl is pretty much employee at will – so if ross didn’t like when Flores was winning, he can simply fire him
Bribery of your own employee, conceptually, when you can just fire them and not pay them at all, is absurd, isn’t it?
Agreed. But in this case it’s a competitive sport. It’s not criminal, it’s shady and hurts the integrity of the league. The NFL has a right to force the owner to sell because of violating that. The NBA has done that for racist language by an owner a few years ago, and that’s why they have a Draft Lottery, so teams can’t tank for players. The NBA is a little different because one great player can change your entire franchise around. But it’s the same idea.
Paying to tank games can have criminal implications especially if betting is involved
The betting part is the other thing. It’s all accusations and speculation right now. But if Ross tampered, tried to lose and benefited from a gambling company, he needs to go. That’s not what the NFL should be about.
NFL teams being accused of treating the Rooney Rule as bullshit is the bigger story for the league. Ross is just one owner.
All of this nonsense could cost us the HC that we’d like to hire.
It doesn’t having criminal implications to pay a coach to lose games
This is Florida’s bribery statute
https://law.justia.com/codes/florida/2005/TitleXLVI/ch0838.html
It’s about public officials
gambling is something different, especially if you throw a games
TIM:Thanks for your comments on Hendrickson. I bet Trey’s glad now he didn’t hook-up with the Dolphins!!!! And I wonder how many FREE AGENTS are going to avoid signing with Miami before this mess is settled??? Once, again, Ross hurts the competitive chances of HIS OWN TEAM!!
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ON A HAPPIER NOTE, Victor Hedman justscored in overtime to propel the Lightning to a victory over the San Jose Sharks!!! Minus their BEST PLAYER (Former NHL MVP Nikita Kucherov) the Lightning remain one of the very best teams in the NHL. Anyone who believes that either the Florida Panthers or the Vegas Golden Knights are going to run this Lightning team right out of the rink will be proven wrong once Kucherov comes back and gets a few games under his belt.
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Time to walk the Greyhound and hit the sack!!
Just to be clear, I don’t follow the NFL because of the owner. I root for the brand, the logo, the uniforms and the coaches and players. The game!!!! I couldn’t care less about the front office if we’re playing fun competitive football. You guys see what I talk about, I love roster building like many of us do. How to get better and win. I can’t stand the drama.
But the shit that came out today is not just drama, it’s a bad look for the league and that impacts the game that I love. I don’t care if Billy Mumphrey becomes our owner, just win baby!!! LOL
We have a horrible owner
I don’t think the criticism directed at the owner is wrong
I don’t think anyone that criticizes our owner is doing it out of hate for the Dolphins, probably the opposite
I’m just saying – the focus of this suite really shouldn’t be about the Dolphins
It’s not, it’s just more added nonsense that I think Flores is trying to say fuck you to Ross. Maybe it’s reasonable too. Part of the reports for Ross firing Flores was because Flores communicated disrespectfully towards Ross. Maybe some of this is why. I don’t know. But we can’t get away from drama every offseason. Something isn’t right.
I know this is probably pretty low on most people’s list of interesting stuff from today, but is anyone else surprised to see Belicheat using 6 question marks and exclamation points total in his “Giants?!?!?!” response to Flores? Does he seem like a 6 question mark/ exclamation kind of guy? I half expected a couple of smiley and wink emojis further down, lol.
I so wish he was caught texting pics of kittens and puppies
That would have made me so happy 😂😂
At long as it wasn’t dick pics
I’m really glad I got my 10:23 response in just before your 10:24 statement and not after it…
All of this is so fucked up. LOL
I wish I could edit the time of the posts on this blog. I would definitely reverse those 10;23 and 10;24 posts
LOL
LOL, the dangers of social media. WTF???!!!!
Not that there’s anything wrong with that
Say Mike McDaniel was going to be offered the job. Now he might say fuck this!!!
OD and M13 along with anyone else who was on the anti-Ross bandwagon. Okay you guys win. What do you want a cookie? LOL
We already have enough fucked up shit going on without worrying about stuff that hasn’t happened yet is there??????
6 right
What is 6?
Society, the NFL and our team is in a fucked up place.
Well, I can’t disagree with that. Sure wish it was different for the Dolphins.
I think we have some solid pieces, perhaps not a core yet, to build around/upon. We know the holes/pieces we need.
We definitely need better coaching!
The D is close to being bad ass. We have the backfield, but way too weak stopping the run. I don’t know if that’s a DL or LB issue or both. I want a bad ass defense!!!! Lol…
Tim Knight says:
February 1, 2022 at 11:10 pm (Edit)
What is 6?
The number of question marks. ??????
Just like BB does it. Only he did !?!?!? Or ?!?!?!
It’s all very confusing.
I also like that Flores still refers to Belichick as coach
It’s also interesting that Belichick signed one of his texts BB in the middle of the conversation.
His texts are like my mom’s! 😂
HOLY CRAP!
Talk about bad timing to put down the devices! No news yesterday when I was posting memes and minutes after I shut it down this thing explodes! WTF!!?
Get with the times man.
Well that’s a big fat “whatever” burger now!
I was going to do a longform take on this Flores situation, but I’m going to break it into smaller bites.
Right after Flores was fired and the news media was dropping all his inproprieties into the cosmos, I said to take what was being reported with a huge grain of salt because we were only hearing one side. I also conceded that it was smart for Flores not to engage in it. You couldn’t find a reporter making a glowing report, even black ones. Omar himself even came out and said Flores was the only coach who ever disrespected him, now all of those reporters including Omar are now on Flores side and badmouthing ownership. Funny how they move with whatever way the wind blows to continue to get those clicks. My radar also says that this lawsuit wasn’t even Brian Flores idea. I’m of the mind to think this was couple of lawyers who already had this in their back pocket given all the complaints about lack of head coach and approached him. The whole thing seems off.
As far as the legality of this lawsuit. The Rooney rule isn’t a law so I’m not sure how there can be a legal case here unless it’s part of the contract signed with the players union somehow. The other part of it, is that the Rooney rule doesn’t state that the candidate interviews have to be legitimate consideration. It only says they have to perform the interviews. The original intent was for owners to be exposed to guys they wouldn’t normally be familiar with given that it’s like most places of employment and it comes down to who you know. We see people getting jobs as position coaches simply because they’re friends with someone all the time. If a team complies with the interviews then they haven’t broken the rule.
Even if a team doesn’t comply with the rule, I think the worst that can happen is like a fine and loss of draft picks. I read a good portion of the filing Piggy posted yesterday and I don’t see how he has a lawsuit. I also don’t see what the Dolphins have to do with the filing either. Nothing in that part that pertains to our team has anything to do with racism or the Rooney rule. He was actually hired by us and our front office is full of minorities. Not to mention, the guy on the forefront of replacing him is biracial. The Dolphins nonsense is a separate issue and shouldn’t even be part of this. I know how it’s trying to be spun ( ie labeling a black man as difficult), but it doesn’t have legs IMO. They’re throwing a lot of facebook argument ideology into this thing. They’ve got an incredible burden of proof IMO.
I just saw the Flores lawsuit air on Newsmax. They didn’t mention the Dolphins once in the report!
So maybe it won’t be any more of a shit show for the Fins than the rest of the NFL?
This is exactly what I was saying
But the wildcard is that he alleges he offered money to lose so that goes on the Dolphins
If Flores is so principled, why did he stay on 2 more seasons after Ross allegedly offered him money to lose. And then another season after the yacht incident?
If he was asked to lose and refuse why did we go 0-7 in 2019 and 1-7 in 2021?
We were outscored in first 2 games of 2019 by a scored of 102-10
Remember how bad we were in those first 2 games
Epically bad
It is not Flores’s lawsuit it is a class action I am wondering who are the other members of the class and we have not heard anything about them?
Yes I mentioned this yesterday
But the caption reads Flores is the rep of the class and it’s filed on behalf of all members of the class
So I don’t think anyone else had to sign on except Flores
I’m not really familiar with Class actions. But can one member bring a case for every member of the class? That’s the way it’s described in the suit
Oh okay so the class hasn’t been certified yet Flores is going to solicit others to join the class
You can request status as a class action the court has to rule there is a class. Notice has to be provided and or published to perspective members of the class then they can sign on and join the class
I love that despite this controversy being an embarrassment for Dolphins and Nfl on a very controversial issue we can all still laugh that Bill Belichick texts like a granny…
Lol
sb7mvp says:
February 2, 2022 at 9:01 am (Edit)
As far as the legality of this lawsuit. The Rooney rule isn’t a law so I’m not sure how there can be a legal case
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It’s a league policy while not a statute the league still has an obligation to apply it’s policies equally and fail to so would prima facia evidence of a discriminatory intent or practice so there is weight of law behind it
If they can prove it, but seems very unlikely
Hard to believe the league would actually do something about this, without some real evidence of it happening, and not on sour grapes
They don’t fight themselves often
Right, but the rule only states that you have to interview candidates. If a team does the basic minimum of the rule it isn’t violated. If the team doesn’t follow it, they are subject to penalty by the league, not the law as far as I understand it. The Lions got hit with 200k in fines for hiring Mariucci without interviewing any black candidates.
But the rule is to make it a serious interview. Failure to do so would likely be deemed non compliance with the rule
Does anyone really BB made a mistake in the text?
He hasn’t made a mistake in years, everything he says is very calculated
What better time than now to come out with this BS woke lawsuit, ESPN will surely run with it
From Flose’ statement it seems what he’s fighting for is to breakup the good ole boys club, and the mistreatment of minorities
The part about Ross paying him 100k each game he lost can be easily proven, so for that either put up or shut up
If Ross just said it, but never actually paid him, then that’s another story and easy to fabricate lies about
You don’t get to be a billionaire by being stupid, but we’re talking about Ross, so it’s possible I guess, but not likely
Wonder if there’s going to be a defamation counter suit filed by Ross
Botton line is Flose is showing his true colors, and not a good look for him
It’s interesting to note that thing about the Dolphins and Flores not wanting to court a prominent NFL QB because he didn’t want to violate tampering rules. I’m seeing reports that it was Tom Brady. I also saw a lot of reports right after Flores was fired that him and Watson were shopping themselves as a duo to potential franchises, which was odd to me, given all that stuff we had to endure over the year. So was the prominent QB Watson or Brady and if it was Brady, why did Flores have a problem with that and not have a problem with Watson? There’s so many weird sketchy things that don’t add up.
Flo has lost all credibility by associating with Watson as far as I’m concerned
This lawsuit seems about as legit as anything Watson’s lawyers have said on his issue
I want to know did Ross actually pay him for the games we lost. Did he accept the payment?
Don’t think even Ross is that stupid
Well if he did, he implicated himself in wrongdoing. I’m not sure how bringing it up helps his case if he did.
Well he did pay him his salary for losing those games.
Whether he got a bonus?!?!?!? 😉
Would think Ross is out as owner, if they can prove it, but since we didn’t actually tank the league may decide not to penalize the franchise
The Rooney rule has evolved over the years. Apparently you do have to interview 2 minority candidates from outside the organization. Does anyone remember about a decade ago when it seemed like every team had an assistant HC position and that position was usually filled with a black coach? That way teams could just fire they guy they had and then interview the asst. HC to comply with the rule.
IMO, with all the revisions to the Rooney rule, the league has set precedent that they have been actively trying to increase opportunities for minority coaches.
Very interesting!
Can you say “figure head”
Well I read that completely wrong!
I guess I just assumed it was Flores?????
More coffee is needed I guess?!?!?!?!
Well if Dan Campbell said it it must be true oh wait he is a white guy
If he’s a white guy does that mean he’s lying?
Ken says:
February 2, 2022 at 9:48 am
But the rule is to make it a serious interview. Failure to do so would likely be deemed non compliance with the rule
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That’s a hope of the rule. It’s not the actual rule.
It’s the spirit of the rule. In fact if your position that it doesn’t have to be serious then there is a very strong argument that the rule is itself is discriminatory and could be further proof a discriminatory hiring practice meant to insulate teams that continue discriminatory hiring practices that is certainly the argument I would make and think I would succeed upon
Drama queen
Making the morning show tour
His lawyers have done a terrible job of preparing him for these interviews.
I think there were a couple of pretty good points brought up. If Ross was so ticked off that Flores didn’t tank and wouldn’t talk with whichever QB it was on the yacht, that was the offseason after his 1st year. Why didn’t he just fire him? Instead we’re supposed to believe that Ross ostracized him in the organization for two years hurting his own team? How does that make sense?
He also could’ve countered with this right after he was fired, especially with all the negative press he was receiving.
Ken says:
February 2, 2022 at 9:24 am (Edit)
Oh okay so the class hasn’t been certified yet Flores is going to solicit others to join the class
Ken says:
February 2, 2022 at 9:27 am (Edit)
You can request status as a class action the court has to rule there is a class. Notice has to be provided and or published to perspective members of the class then they can sign on and join the class
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That makes sense
I forgot about the certification process
It’s basically Flores imitating the suit but he is probably going to get Caldwell to join it (bc he mentions Caldwell in the suit) and maybe even Kaepernick…I know that sounds crazy to some people
But that is why I was so anima the that this isn’t a Dolphin problem, it’s the nfls problem
He is trying to sue for a history of discrimination not just his own perception of his history
I will say, if it’s true that the Giants interviewed Flores knowing they were hiring Daboll that looks bad for the NFL’s rules (Rooney rule) which is what they have been using in the past to stop claims of interviews
2 things though are very specific to Dolphins
1. Ross offering 100k to Flores to lose. If that’s true I don’t even know where to start
2. The rumors about who Flores is (hard to work with) that were floated when he was interview
Those things are just about the Dolphins. The first 1 is particularly bombastic and could lead the league to punish the Dolphins – I would hope they force Ross to sell in that scenario
If there was wrongdoing and punishment handed down, I hope we don’t lose draft picks as part of that punishment. The team moving forward shouldn’t be punished, but Ross should be in some way.
Hmmm
https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/detroit-lions-assistant-coach-duce-025937983.html
These guys are still trying to land jobs, so of course they’re going to say nice things