Chris Grier is clearly the Top Dog, The Big Man, Numero Uno Honcho, The Head Cheese. This is his ballgame, at least for this season. He’ll be responsible for our draft, and for choosing wisely in the 2022 Free Agency period before and after the draft. Whomever is hired as Head Coach will have the understanding that Chris Grier, at least for the moment is the man with the power and the final say on personnel decision making. He will accommodate his new Head Coach, but he will not be overrun by him. The Dolphins should be able to fill some huge holes in Free Agency, otherwise known as “Overpaying Contracts”. It doesn’t matter, we have to spend money, and we will. If we overpay, so be it, it’s expected. Besides having a few key positions of need, we have our own free agents that need to be taken care of. Let’s put it this way, we don’t need to save for the future, we need to get this team right now. Fix the biggest issue, which is the O-line and then work at giving Tua some upgraded weapons at RB and WR, not necessarily through Free Agency, but both Free Agency and the NFL Draft. Our first pick will likely be one of the last 3 picks in RD 1, and Grier needs to hit on that one. He no longer has an arsenal of multiple first, second and third round picks, and for a change we’re making our first selection at the end of the 1st round, but unfortunately not because we won a playoff game.
To address re-signing our own guys, the most obvious target is DE Emmanuel Ogbah. His market value is slated at $10M per year but I’m thinking more like $12-14M. Either way, he’s priority number one. Mike Gesicki will be a curious situation to keep an eye on. We know Gesicki is a talented receiving TE, and we also know Chris Grier selected him in RD 2, pick #42 in 2018. He’s had a nice career as a Miami Dolphins TE, not as good as I expected though. I still feel like he was underused here. I’d have thought he’d be the most dynamic receiving TE in a Dolphins uniform but that still belongs to former TE Randy McMichael. Randy Mac finished his first 4 seasons with 221 receptions, 2456 yards and 15 TD’s. Slightly behind is Gesicki with 199 receptions for 2255 yards and 13 TD’s. I truly thought Gesicki’s totals should have been higher. Twice in McMichael’s first 4 he was targeted over 100 times, Gesicki finally did that last season, but the caveat there is it was a 17 game season. Like I said, underused. My next guy is Nik Needham. I love this kid, and I hope we consider him an important part of our team. The 25 year old defensive back has played anywhere and everywhere and has played well. He’s averaged 50-60 tackles per season and has 6 INT’s in 3 seasons. He also has 23 passes defensed. He’s a team player and an unselfish one. The next player I want to re-sign but more for depth is LB Elandon Roberts. He’s a strong 2 down run stopper as we have seen for the last couple of years. TE Durham Smythe is another player we should re-sign, and I believe it’s possible Smythe is signed before Gesicki and possibly instead of Gesicki if Gesicki’s price is too steep. We MUST also re-sign ST’s ace and WR Mack Hollins. He’s a high priority re-sign as well.
OK, now on to the rest of the NFL’s potential castoffs. We need a huge upgrade or 2 on our O-line. We can address one or both in FA, and I can almost guarantee you that we will be spending a good amount on at least one of the top tier offensive linemen. To quickly reiterate, I’m not convinced we’re going to be looking for a tackle, although the argument for one can easily be made. My belief is still that Austin Jackson can be our LT and Liam Eichenberg can be our RT. That would indicate we’d be looking for interior OL, either 2 guards or a guard and a center. I think the latter is more likely. Brandon Scherff and Andrew Norwell are the top OG’s, but the guy I had mentioned weeks ago and still prefer is 49ers LG Laken Tomlinson. He plays every game every season and would solidify the left side and help young Austin Jackson at LT. I like Robert Hunt at RG so I’d prefer we look for an OC. The pickings are slim unless we’re looking for a C over 30. The Detroit Lions lost their star OC Frank Ragnow early on and turned to former NYG and former Dolphin C Evan Brown. Brown had a great season starting 12 games for the Lions. He’s a FA and just 25 years old. Ted Karras is another option. He played OG last season for the rival Patriots but as we all know, he played C for us here in 2020 and played well enough. Who knows if Karras would be willing to come back. If wellok at OT, Terron Armstead would be tops, both in talent and $$$. Cam Robinson from the Jaguars would be a younger and less expensive option. I hope we don’t look for an OT as I’ve mentioned.
Besides the O-line, we need to upgrade our WR corps. I don’t want top tier, address the best in the draft, but a nice 2nd tier WR is possible. We’re not a Davante Adams away from the SB so spend wisely here. Christian Kirk from the Cardinals is a nice talent. Others here have fallen for Byron Pringle of the Chiefs. I worry a bit about those 3rd, 4th and 5th option guys. Plays break down in KC and Mahomes is flushed and the defense naturally rolls to Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce so of course guy like Pringle will either be in single or coverage or even possibly uncovered. We kind of saw the same thing with Sammy Watkins when he was with the Chiefs. Now Kirk played mostly in the slot, but he’s young and talented. D.J. Chark is a guy who has feasted on the perimeter and is a big bodied, agile player. 6’4 200, coming off a fractured ankle injury which should affect his playing career. He’s a 4.34 40 guy with a tremendous 40″ vertical. I’d say Chark would be number one target at WR, he’s been productive in a less than ideal offensive situation in Jacksonville. There’s also JuJu Smith-Schuster who had tremendous early success in his career at Pittsburgh, but has since been pushed back into the shadows by receivers like Chase Claypool and Dionte Johnson. Could a change of scenery jump-start JuJu? JuJu is a tough, fight for the ball type of receiver with less than ideal speed but good athleticism and ability.th Chark and Juju are only 25.
I’m going to cover the 2022 NFL Draft and in particular our needs in a future article. For now I’m going to leave you with my Free Agency wants, since there is Free Agency before the draft, and then of course, after the draft where a whole host of players are released and then become available once teams shuffle their rosters post draft. We’re one of the top 5 in cap space available so if we choose not to take my advice and go out and spend top money, we have it at approximately $67.5M. Let’s hope our guy Chris Grier gets the first part of the equation right so we go into the draft with better flexibility to make this team better.
#stangerstrong
GO DOLPHINS!!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
Well I’ve read and watched a lot about the “Flores” incident. (I think that’s a good name for the future)
And from what I can gather Billycheat has fucked us again!!!!!!!
I have a really shitty sense of humor sometimes.
Most of the times I’ve been grilled in IR is for saying off the wall shit as a joke that someone didn’t find funny at all!
Not saying that’s what happened, but it’s a possibility?
https://larrybrownsports.com/football/timeline-new-york-giants-head-coach-interviews-rooney-rule-requirement/591390
I was looking to see a timeline for Giants interviews and someone already did the work. I thought the Giants had actually already satisfied the rule before they interviewed Flores, but Graham was in house so it didn’t count. I still don’t think he has a case though. The fact the league has the Rooney rule in place as well as all of the other revisions gives precedence to the league for actively trying to improve opportunities.
I’m really trying to figure out how he can have any case at all. The Rooney rule was satisfied. I’m not sure the Giants having a favorite prior to him interviewing constitutes discrimination in hiring practices. And even if the Giants somehow violated a portion of the Rooney rule, that is a league rule and still doesn’t equal discrimination.
He talks about the Broncos interview and them being disheveled, late, and gave a cursory interview (denied by the Broncos who say they were timely, and have pages of notes on the interview which was over 3 hours), they had just had a black HC. So again, even if the Rooney rule was somewhat skirted, it still doesn’t equal discrimination. It’s a potential league violation.
I feel like he is hoping the floodgates will open and he’ll get a large number of other people to attach to the case and that is the real point of this.
But he won’t, because those guys aren’t going to sacrifice their career for this weak lawsuit
Lol at this tweet, especially who posted it
Just in case you have moved past I am reposting here
sb7mvp says:
February 2, 2022 at 10:01 am (Edit)
Ken says:
February 2, 2022 at 9:48 am
But the rule is to make it a serious interview. Failure to do so would likely be deemed non compliance with the rule
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That’s a hope of the rule. It’s not the actual rule.
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Ken says:
February 2, 2022 at 10:56 am (Edit)
It’s the spirit of the rule. In fact if your position that it doesn’t have to be serious then there is a very strong argument that the rule is itself is discriminatory and could be further proof a discriminatory hiring practice meant to insulate teams that continue discriminatory hiring practices that is certainly the argument I would make and think I would succeed upon
You’d have to assume there were no black coaches or GMs for the NFL to be systemically racist, you could however say some teams are
Not so under current case law
Just like the NFL can fix games and it not be illegal, as long as no money is exchanging hands, they can do everything in this lawsuit legally
Only thing they’ve got is Ross paying 100k, but as Piggy mentioned that may not be illegal either
It’s not my position. It’s what the rule is. The rule doesn’t allow for serious consideration in interviews, it allows for the opportunity to interview. It was put in place for minority coaches to gain exposure that normally wouldn’t have it. It gives them a chance to make their case over someone that was previously thought as better.
If you’re a good coach, you’re going to automatically have serious consideration anyway so it would render the rule moot. If a team was interested primarily in Flores from the get go, they would still have to have a fake interview with another minority candidate to satisfy the rule before they could offer the job to Flores. The rule was dumb and unnecessary to begin with.
Any of you here ever suffer from vertigo?
Hold on gotta go sit down
I have experienced it when I have been hypo glycemic and or really drunk
The belicheat text could be a setup, just seems like it was awful convenient and the excuse dipshit gave for why he still went on the interview was weak
Claiming systemic racism in the NFL while you were hired, your GM was also black and the way you treated people in the organization seems a little pot kettle
I think Flores and Ross are both giant assholes regardless of this lawsuit, it’s merits or lack there of
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I think Flores was having a really shitty month, and 2 “Vampires” talked him into throwing a fit!
I think he has been planning this for a while probably since the time he stopped communicating with his assistants but the Vampire theory is interesting
I took that to mean his lawyers Ken, how did you take it?
Piggy:
I don’t see Kapernick being a member of the class. He already brought an action and reached a settlement. If he tries to join this class it will likely jeopardize his prior and be subject to some form of issue preclusion
^ prior settlement
This is the second time in a few months that I have vertigo. I woke up with it each time. This time is not as bad as the first time, Everything was moving the first time, I was so nauseous. This time I’m dizzy and off balance. Room isn’t spinning though.
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There’s a lot of ear infection going on around here.
Are your ears plugged?
Nope, nose and ears are clear.
My sister went to a chiropractor for it. She said it helped.
You should communicate with your doctor the causes can range from multiple things benign and not so benign. I will do so especially since you have a history of a stroke so call your doctor
This Flores law suite seems pretty ridiculous and I doubt it’ll go anywhere. It’s all basically his word against them. I doubt he has any proof. He’s just sore cause he got fired and no one else hired him.
Ken says:
February 2, 2022 at 11:17 am
I think he has been planning this for a while probably since the time he stopped communicating with his assistants but the Vampire theory is interesting
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That’s a nice term for ambulance chasing lawyers. 😉
Looks like we were on the same page
Now Hue Jackson is insinuating that Jimmy Haslam paid him to tank the season. I’m wondering what happened with the other ones he was terrible at?
Sour grapes isn’t going to help him
sb7mvp says:
February 2, 2022 at 11:22 am (Edit)
It’s not my position. It’s what the rule is. The rule doesn’t allow for serious consideration in interviews, it allows for the opportunity to interview. It was put in place for minority coaches to gain exposure that normally wouldn’t have it. It gives them a chance to make their case over someone that was previously thought as better.
If you’re a good coach, you’re going to automatically have serious consideration anyway so it would render the rule moot. If a team was interested primarily in Flores from the get go, they would still have to have a fake interview with another minority candidate to satisfy the rule before they could offer the job to Flores. The rule was dumb and unnecessary to begin with.
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I understand what the rule says. I am telling you in my experience as someone who has handled discriminatory employment cases the strict interpretation you are proffering will not stand up legally
NFL has too much power they’ll make this go away without it having much of an effect
That maybe true but I am guessing Flores will get what he wants meaning some form of a pay day
Who cared if he gets paid, it will be less than he could’ve made as an HC, and unless belicheat hired him he’s done
Well I’m definitely not a lawyer, but I’m not interpreting a law. I’m stating what the rule states. It’s not within the bounds of the law. Can it be manipulated as such? Of course, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s not a law. Its a rule that was made and followed.
The Giants could have easily brought in Bienemy or Leftwich considering they are offensive minded coaches and they ultimately hired a guy that will try to salvage D. Jones career, but they still gave him a shot. They didn’t discriminate against him in the hiring process because he was black. They didn’t see him as a better fit than Daboll.
He’s going to have to prove that he didn’t get the job because he was black and that’s going to be hard to do.
The problem you would run up against is called pretense. First it is presumed that any interview would be meaningful presumption that they should not have to say meaningful. If league argues otherwise than it is admitting to a pretense in essence a false position meant that effectively furthers the discriminatory practices but that is not apparent on its face
It’s Sr Bowl week, fuck Flores and the horse he rode in on, not that I’m into the Sr Bowl, but it sure beats talking about dipshit
Someone mentioned it yesterday and I agree, it’s pretty hilarious that Brady’s retirement and all the accompanying fanfare has been lost in this.
I also didn’t notice that Belicheat dragged the Bills in too with his text. I should amend my Bill Belicheat thought bubble from yesterday.
“Cost me 2 Super Bowls…eff you Giants.”
“Whipped me mercilessly in the playoffs…eff you Bills.”
“Left me and won a Super Bowl…eff you and your retirement Brady.”
“Whipped me the last two years…eff you Flores.”
“Spygate and deflategate…eff you NFL.”
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“Oh yeah, I’m definitely sending this text…”
Like I said he’s very calculated with his words, no way did he make this mistake
Bellicheck likely made a mistake because now he will be subject to subpoenas, depositions and people crawling up his ass with a microscope. I am pretty confident that is the last thing Bellicheck wants to be subject to
I take credit for that Cav
😃
lol, couldn’t remember if it was you or Piggy
Ken says:
February 2, 2022 at 12:41 pm
The problem you would run up against is called pretense. First it is presumed that any interview would be meaningful presumption that they should not have to say meaningful. If league argues otherwise than it is admitting to a pretense in essence a false position meant that effectively furthers the discriminatory practices but that is not apparent on its face
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I just don’t see how arguing against the use of the Rooney Rule helps his case for this lawsuit. Even if the interview was a complete sham, his lawyers still have to prove it was a sham.
That is how pretense is that you have to prove it is a sham. My point is that if the league takes the position that the interview doesn’t have to be meaningful they have essentially admitted that it is a sham and has removed that burden from the plaintiff. So the league must say that the interviews must be done in good faith and if what is alleged against the Giants than that is a violation of the Rooney rule
Isn’t it against the law to throw games? Or is it only illegal if you’re betting on it?
Not completely sure. It may have licensure complications. That is one reason why professional wrestling has never been deemed by any state as a competitive sport and is governed by a different set of rules than other professional sports
Ken – how can they possibly determine whether an interview was done fairly or not. Sometimes you can tell early on that you don’t want a certain candidate by how they answer questions. I think he’s going to have a difficult time proving what he’s saying.
Question of fact for a jury to decide about what witnesses were credible or not oh and a text from Bellicheck will likely be evidence that the interview was a sham. It is only a preponderance of the evidence standard essentially means tipping the scales in your favor. This is not a criminal case where there is a proof beyond a reasonable doubt standard
Understand that, but Patrick Graham who was also interviewed would have to corroborate that his interview was also a sham. Otherwise it could just come down to they didn’t find him as a worthy candidate.
Patrick Graham’s interview would be evidence that it was not a sham. Again up to the jury to decide and the one thing I have learned in over 30 years of practice is you never know what a jury is going to do. That is why 98% of all cases both sides seek a degree of certainty that you lose when you roll the dice in front of a jury
98% of all cases settle
I think Washington should have stayed with the Football Team. Commanders? They’re already being called Commandos. Who wouldn’t have seen that coming?
They don’t wear underwear?
Apparently not. I’ve not personally verified this though.
LOL 😆
Now Hugh Jackson is saying he got paid by the Browns to tank…..
Stupid Browns probably didn’t have to pay him anything
Maybe this explains the Jets hiring Gase? Not that they were going to pay him to lose but that he’d be losing anyway?
I guess it could be worse. I know if I paid $3.99 for an all you can eat diarrhea buffet, I’d be pretty mad if they ran out of whatever it is they call ‘steak’…
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/watch-40-person-brawl-breaks-out-in-golden-corral-over-reported-steak-shortage/ar-AATmVlr?li=BBnb7Kz
The Sports Bribery Act criminalizes such conduct. Under 18 U.S.C. § 124, “Whoever carries into effect, attempts to carry into effect, or conspires with any other person to carry into effect any scheme in commence to influence, in any way, by bribery any sporting contest, with knowledge of the purpose of such scheme is to influence by bribery that contests, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”
Based on the language of the statute, it doesn’t matter whether the offer is accepted. Liability arises if the person “carries into effect” the scheme or “attempts to carry into effect” the bribe. The mere offer of $100,000 to Flores, without more, would constitute a violation by Ross.
That was my instinct that it wouldn’t matter but I didn’t know the statute makes sense. You want a job as a paralegal Rock? You are a man of many talents
it doesn’t pay enough. LOL
So, have we hired a coach yet? 🤡🎪
Pretty exciting to think about all the FA players who won’t want to be coming here while this crap is hanging over the franchise.
Can’t Ross just sell/ turn the team over now or do we really have to wait 2 years for this whole thing to play out?
So Miami is not the only place where the shit is hitting the fan. There is shit spattering everywhere!
Jackson said in his statement that he has “proof”
The problem for Jackson is, if he provides proof then he is complicit and is as guilty as the team that “made him do it”
Ken says:
February 2, 2022 at 3:42 pm
You are a man of many talents
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You should here what the girls say about my tongue. I am a cunning linguist as well……
Always roll your Rs
I’m thinking this franchise is fucked unless they force Ross out. I wouldn’t want to risk my career coming here to work. Flores is definitely getting the last laugh. He took his lumps on the way out but dragged this franchise down with him.
who is “they” that would force the owner out? The other owners? I don’t think that will happen. It sets a precedent that I guarantee they don’t want set.
Maybe if he forces Ross to sell then just maybe he did us a favor. Yes there will be pain but kind of like childbirth it could be a beautiful thing. Ken now waits for Herd to give him a severe talking too
IF and I say IF, the NFL after it’s investigation (I think the smart money is to bet there will at least be a sham of an investigation) the NFL finds that Ross tampered with the “prominent QB” and / or told Flores to Tank (Aside- the entire world accused us of it in real time!) there will be fines and draft pick penalties. That will be as far as it will go. They will not force him out. Not one of the other 31 want to be held accountable to that level.
I’d rather them axe Ross than punish the team
Ross will let the initial furor die down and then at some point he will sell. There is already a transition plan in place and a buyer with first right of refusal has already been identified
Rock – “They” being the NFL. If there’s any proof of him offering Flores $100k per loss, the NFL will make him sell, or step down.
They’ve done it before with the Niners Eddie debartalo, over gambling I think.
OK, so there you have it. This is just as bad or worse
Unless there is something in writing, this will be impossible to prove. I can’t imagine Ross was stupid enough to out that in writing. Was he?
I expect if Ross sells the team and settles the case with Flores it will announce the results of their investigation were inconclusive and takes no further action sweeping all under the rug
NFL settles with Flores
Just for fun as it’s been mentioned in all this: What would your reaction have been to have TB12 here as our QB for a couple of years?
I would have hated it. Oddly enough, I had this convo last night with my wife and son. I want our team to win, but not with a hired gun. It would be Brady’s win, not the Dolphins
Agreed.
I would have been very very angry 🤢
I could care less if he brought us a Super Bowl. I didn’t want him because I didn’t feel like we were ready to compete for the time Brady would have been here.
I would have hated the move right up until we made the playoffs, then after our Super Bowl win, I would have continued to hate Brady and loved that we won a SB, lol.
I don’t think Vegas would have lost any money on the Fins in 2019?
And if they did it was because Flores refused to “Tank”!
Were we ever favored in a game???????????
Not that it makes a difference in court.
Why did asshole make this public and go on all the TV shows?
He wants it played out in the public hoping the NFL cave to his demands
From what I’ve heard he’s got nothing
There’s a lot of bad stuff in the allegations though.
Brian – I think if someone else corroborates that statement it could be damning enough. I have no idea if he has anyone that can, but if he does, it might be enough
Possibly, but if that person was also spurned by the Dolphins it could be a wash if there are people inside the organization who back Ross up. I would be saddened if this happened with our team Mike, and if it happened with ours it happened with others.
It’s all sad. I feel like this deflated any positive feelings that we were going to take a turn for the better. The angle I’m looking at this from is if any punishment is going to be meted out, let it be Ross that gets punished and not the team. I don’t want to lose a coach we want and I certainly don’t want to lose any draft picks
Right. Neither do I Mike.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/brian-flores-lawsuit-against-nfl-223301752.html
If Ross is somehow found guilty of this, I’m starting a class action lawsuit against him for defrauding the fans as well. I’ve spent thousands of dollars attending games. I want that money back. I have no idea how to start a class action lawsuit. This is where Ken and Piggy come in. They were there too.
👍Good luck!
I’m not sure why Brady would want to come hear given how bad the o-line and team was other than to stick it to Belichick twice a year. I would have been all for it though.
And he didn’t want to be with Flores
How do you know that?
That came out in some of the stuff yesterday
Oh wow!
Somehow I missed the news that Ken Dorsey was the new Bills OC.
Ken – what did Daboll say about Flores?
Not Daboll but supposedly Brady didn’t want to go to Miami because of Flores
I wonder if the messages from Grier are explicit or if there is ‘interpretation’ to them. Grier would have to be an idiot to put something like that in writing.
https://twitter.com/ChuckB_18/status/1488871316522520581?s=20&t=tvkCrbMAHDd0KHnpWr3aEQ
Former NFLPA President Dominique Foxworth saying that black Head Coaches are hired with the sole purpose to tank or lose games. He’s totally on board with what both Brian Flores and Hue Jackson are claiming.
That’s crazy!
It’s crazy because in my opinion, doesn’t the HC look great if the team goes from 1-15 during a tear down rebuild and the takes a team to 10-6 the next season? Do you really need to hire a black coach for that? I think it’s crap, but that’s my opinion
Why do I care if my coach has a black head????? Sorry but all of this crap is tiring. I just watch sports to be entertained. I don’t care about any of this.
lol. That’s definitely it.
Where these kinds of statements lose me is when they go absolute and say things like “sole purpose”. What about Tomlin? Dungy? Green? Shell?
*ducks and runs*
The Washington Commanders?
Kong – apparently not ALL black Head Coaches, just the ones that got fired. 🤣
C’mon Kong – get woke will ya! lol
Lol, I’m trying. I just cant stop hitting that snooze button 🤪
What if our coach has a blonde head, and not a black head?
This whole thing is really pissing me off. Are players going to be wearing “Hire Black HC’s” on the back of their helmets next season? Are they really trying to destroy the NFL? I would guess that at least 60% of the players are black if not more. I just find all of this difficult to believe
I’ve always thought the Rooney Rule has holes in it. All teams have to do is interview minority candidates and then hire the guy they want and obviously a lot of the time that guy is white. It really does look like the Giants fucked up so that’s a problem. But now it’s becoming bigger than that and I don’t racism is the right word. It’s disrespect. The ironic thing is that the Rooney Rule creates that disrespect. I’m not sure what the answer is, but continuing to divide white and black is what is really pissing me off. It’s broad brushing white people as if they’re all the same and that’s a problem too.
Right, teams are forced to abide by a rule, then punished when they follow the rule. I would understand if Flores never got a job as an HC, but he got one from us the moment he became available. He still had interviews for other teams. It’s not like he was blanked out of the process altogether.
Tim:
Here is the source of the Brady wouldn’t come here because of Flores:
How true or accurate this is who knows
It didn’t really mention why Brady wouldn’t come to Miami because of Flores.
Well Brandon hired the 1st black woman as vp as he said he would and how did that work out? Now he’s appointing the 1st black women for the Supreme Court . What ever happened to judge people by their character and not by their skin color from the great Martin Luther King ?
Totally correct. Hiring people based on their skin color is just as racist or wrong as not hiring because of their skin color. Neither one is right. Hire the most qualified person
That quote from MLK is long gone.
Furthermore, what about Hispanic women, Asian women, etc.?They don’t get a shot at that?
People of all racial backgrounds are in positions of power and make very good livings in this country. We just don’t follow corporations like we do sports.
The only bright spot in any of this that I can think of is that maybe if this shit was going on in the background it was affecting the players on the field. I said in PS that the way this team was looking it made you wonder if there was something going on behind the scenes that was impacting what we were seeing on the field. If that is the case, maybe our players weren’t able to perform at their best and that’s why we were all wondering what the hell was going on to make almost everyone look like they had regressed. Maybe I’m just being hopeful, but it would possibly explain what we saw.
Tim,
In some cases the Rooney rule does the opposite of what it was intended for. Teams are obligated to interview at least one black candidate, no matter what. Let’s say, Joe Schoen knows Daboll, has a good working relationship, and believes in him as a HC. Then the other candidates, no matter what their color, have absolutely no shot. It’s almost a slap in the face to any black coach who gets interviewed, because they are getting interviewed because of the color of their skin, not based on merit. Maybe I’m off on this, but I wouldn’t feel right about getting a token interview no matter what the cause.
Agreed. That’s what the Rooney rule does.
From a pure football stand point Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll made total sense. It was obvious. I said that the moment Joe Schoen was hired as Giants GM. I felt Daboll would end up there, not in Miami and it happened. It wasn’t some great prediction by me, it all added up. It had nothing to do with the color of anyone’s skin. The Giants just fucked it up.
Black owned businesses hire black folks. Women owned businesses hire women. Only white men who hire white men are racist or sexist and have their motivations questioned. It’s the World we live in. We can bitch about it all we like, but it ain’t gonna change. In fact, it’s getting “worse”….if that’s the right word. None of these initiatives or rules make anything better. It’s purely CYA.
Not suppose to be a reply
You’re not wrong. No rule is perfect. It has good intentions, but there are bad aspects as well, as you mentioned. If a team has a candidate they want, they still have to satisfy the rule which like you said is an insult to the coaches that have to go through the motions. There is something though to meeting and interviewing someone and becoming enamored and wanting to hire them for the future
My take on why TB12 didn’t want to come to Miami due to Flores is that he was pissed he was lured to the Marina for this ‘chance’ meeting with Flores and Ross and then Flores walked out and wouldn’t meet. That’s a big ego there. He wouldn’t have liked it. If he didn’t want to come to Miami because of Flores, he wouldn’t have agreed to the meeting in the first place.
I was trying to figure how those two opposing ideas could fit together (brady allegedly meeting on the boat and Brady not wanting to go to miami because of Flores). I think you probably hit the nail on the head.
I don’t think there’s any way in hell Brady would’ve come here. He’s too smart for that and knows he would’ve gotten hit…a lot, and Tommy don’t like to get hit. I can’t see any way he would’ve come here. I know some may think differently, but this roster is nowhere near competing for a championship. Why would Brady do that?
Piggy,
I’ve always thought Harbaugh was using the Vikes for leverage for a bigger contract from Michigan. He’s way under paid for his resume. The local media here thought he was coming to the Vikes, but it never made a lot of sense to me.
Didn’t Michigan cut his pay in half or something like that?
There’s a lot of good sensible points being made by everyone here. We’re looking at it from a reality standpoint as opposed to being on some political side or whatever. It’s refreshing. Well done, folks!
Oh thanks Tim…there goes my political rant…
LOL
Tim,
Yeah, I don’t know how much, but his salary was reduced. I think he may have agreed to do it because he wasn’t winning, but I can’t really remember. $4M a year is a bargain for a guy with his pedigree. I won’t be surprised to hear he gets a little bump now.
Yeah I’m sure.
If Flores is right about what he is claiming, then he is truly an admirable man. Some of the hiring details seem like sour grapes, but there may be something to the other claims. The part of this that makes me nervous from a Dolphins fan’s perspective is we never heard a bad word about him until he was fired . Most of the players would consistently defend and praise him. I can’t imagine that this mess isn’t going to affect our plan to attract free agents , even our own.
I feel the same way. Let’s see how the HC situation pans out. If we end up hiring say Josh Boyer as our HC it’s because outside candidates said I’m not getting involved with this shit.
Yeah. I can’t imagine wanting to come here now after all of this comes out. I can’t help but think that all of this somehow factors into Harbaugh going back to Michigan. The timing of it just seems too coincidental. Of course the Broncos and the Giants have their coaches in place, and we are left holding our dicks once again.
The biggest issue for our team is the tampering and tanking. We haven’t done anything wrong in the minority hiring process. But those two things are bad and that’s on one person – Stephen Ross.
Well, on the bright side, if we lose our 1st round pick for the allegations this year it’s only pick 30. Great job Grier!
LOL
#29
Our top 3 picks are 29, 50 and TBD in the 3rd because it’s the 49ers comp pick.
Well it’s time for OD to post a rant about Ross and walk his Greyhound and go to bed. 😆
He did all of that last night. I think him and M13 are working on a fly over with a banner that says “Stephen Ross is a Scumbag!!!” LOL
From the Sporting News:
Brady and Flores knew each other from both of their times under Bill Belichick, and as such, Flores respected Brady too much to tamper and subject him to that disrespect.
As it turns out the feeling wasn’t quite as mutual. Reports also suggest that even though Brady and Flores knew each other from their respective days in New England, Brady would’ve gone to the Dolphins had it not been for Flores coaching them.
Hmmm… what’s that all about?
But it does explain the reports of Flores not respecting Ross. He didn’t like his practices.
Stanger update:
He has been released from the hospital and transferred to a rehab center with the goal of home discharge in the not to distant future
That’s awesome!!!
Take him his laptop!
He can rehab with the rest of us
He’s trying to heal. He doesn’t need all the nonsense right now.
We don’t want to stress him too much now do we?😃
On second thought maybe he should stay in the dark for a while
I think we each owe each other a beer 🍺
How about we all just drink. LOL
I am in 🥃
Stanger needs to heal. My best to him….
Am I getting this right?
Flores didn’t want to pursue Tom Brady bc it was tampering
But wanted to trade for a guy with 22 sexual assault lawsuits against him?
See below, my friend…
Pretty much what is being said but don’t know what to believe
Lol
Some early draft picks based on some rankings I’ve seen.
#29 WR Jahan Dotson, PSU 5-11 185
#50 LB Brandon Smith, PSU 6-3 240
#?? RB Jerome Ford, CIN, 5-11 220
Love the first two!!!
I’m wondering when it’s going to come out that Chris Grier’s daddy (Bobby Grier) was highly instrumental in drafting Deshaun Watson for the Texans. There’s no doubt in my mind that Bobby Grier and Deshaun’s agent were the driving force to bring Deshaun to Miami, along with son Chris Grier — NOT Brian Flores — as Steve Ross instructed the media to convey to the public.
Steve Ross needs to fry for this. Every single person that Ross fires gets run over by the media train, and it’s par for his course and it’s a recurring theme for over a decade. Now we know why Ross was on the phone with Deshaun at the 11th hour… it’s the Grier connection.
Fuck Steve Ross and fuck Chris Grier.
That’s really speculative M13
Can’t lie, it is speculative. But I’m willing to bet Brian Flores has his ducks in a row.
We don’t know and likely will know the full story behind it all
This is just the tip of the iceberg, bud. There is going to be an INSANE amount of stuff that gets exposed. Flores is no dumbass, that’s for sure.
I don’t like how he’s going about it, to be honest. But I guarantee he’s going to sink Steve Ross.
You basically made all of this up to create a narrative that the media – that you don’t trust, does all the time. You should write novels. LOL
LOL 😉
Well most of the reports are speculative too
So who knows 🤷🏽♂️
But the Dolphins publicly committed to Tua after firing Flores
And the game to game coaching demonstrated to me that Flores didn’t have faith in Tua
Si I’m not buying Grier as the catalyst for Watson. I think Flores was
But honestly it doesn’t matter
At best Ross and Grier were silent partners, even if they weren’t leading the way
A\same with Flores at best he was a silent partner in that pursuit
So now I’m supposed to believe Flores was too good too tamper but barely noticed 22 counts of sexual assault?
I say yes… Flores was too good to tamper, and had NOTHING to do with trying to bring Deshaun to Miami… it doesn’t add up. Character is character, and I don’t believe the media (probably paid by Ross) when they say it was Flores who wanted Deshaun.
Just looking at it from the outside, man.
How can you say he had nothing to do with Watson and completely absolve him like that?
What did he do to wash his hands of it?
At best, he didn’t get in Grier or Ross’ way
At best he just went along with it
He didn’t stand against it? He didn’t make any public statements
Is there anything specially you can point to during the time when the Dolphins flirted with acquiring Watson?
I don’t recall Flores taking a stand like the one he’s willing to take now when it came to DeShaun Watson
Call it a gut-feeling, doubled with there is no way Brian Flores is this foolish unless he came with receipts. Hey, I could be WAAAY off… but it’s not adding up to me the way the media/Ross is portraying this matter.
Alright, I’m really out now! I respect ya, Pigster.
Agree I think it was Flores behind the Watson stuff. I saw some reports that his marketing pitch for his next job is that he is the guy that would bring Watson to the new team. Again who knows if it’s true
Agree with Piggy
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It was SO good I’m watching it again right now!!!!! Thus, I’m out for the night!
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I think Flores was butt hurt over the Giants leaning towards Daboll before they interviewed Flores and now he’s throwing a tantrum.
I gotta tell you
If what he says in his complaint is true
And bill Belichick texted him and informed him Daboll was hired before Flores was even interviewed and Flores interview was a charade
He’s 100% right to be infuriated about that – don’t you think?
No, I conduct interviews all the time. Often I find someone I like before finishing all the interviews. I continue the interviews out of courtesy and because you never know when someone will come along and change your mind. The Giants hadn’t hired Daboll, they were just mostly decided to. Flores could have gone in with the attitude that he was going to change their mind. Instead he decided to be humiliated and to be a victim.
Happens all the time to folks of all colors!
It’s happened to me more than once!
It seems to be Belichick’s text that pushed him over the top.
This issue I have with Flores is Miami hired you as HC. The tampering and tanking accusations are directed at Ross basically saying fuck you!!! If what he is saying is true, Ross is toast and he also hurts the football team by possibly losing draft picks on his way out as owner. If Flores is lying he’s the scumbag. It’s one or the other.
I am out Peace everyone
M13 for the record
I agree with you that Ross tenure with the Dolphins is a huge fail
He’s horrible
We now have 2 nfl investigations under Ross
And 0 playoff wins
That’s pretty dubious
See above, my dude. We’re good!
Even when the team plays well and does some nice things Ross finds a way to bring drama to the franchise. It’s enough already.
Watson’s team said right out and said they weren’t interested in going to Miami now that Flores is gone and also it was said that Watson ‘trusts’ Flores. Not sure why all that would be the case if they never had contact (which they wouldn’t because that’s tampering, right?)
Also makes me wonder how Flores couldn’t have been at least part of the driving force behind our interest in Watson.
I forgot about that
Makes ya wonder. But there is so much shyte flying around the room right now, I have no idea what to believe about any of this crap, lol. Just have to wait for it to play out, smh.
If Flores gets the Texans HC job and Watson says I’m cool here that’s all you need to know.
If your looking into the “good old boys” club. I wonder who spilled the bean’s to Billycheat?
Belichick knows a lot of people in the league. Including people who know Brian Daboll.
What if Brian Daboll told someone who also knows Belichick, “I was told I’m going to be the HC of the Giants.” Then that guy texts Belichick and says Brian got the Giants HC job not thinking about the process. It’s harmless but bad at the same time.
About Mike McDaniel.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/nfl/2022/02/02/brian-flores-lawsuit-coaches-mike-mcdaniel-dan-campbell-duce-staley-senior-bowl/9313958002/
I should have said and more.
Somebody needs to explain to Joe Schad that Muslim-American is not a minority race. Saleh is of Lebanese descent – that’s what makes him a minority. Not his assumed religion.
This Rooney BS with the Giants
Flores hasn’t got a leg to stand on, because he interviewed once, it was the second interview he cried about, so FU Flo
He interviewed once?
Mike McDaniel is supposed to interview for the 2nd time tomorrow – a Skype is not an official interview which he did weeks ago. I think we interviewed him on Monday officially for the first time. If he’s still interested, I wonder if it’s because he likes Tua for his offense?
Statement from Stephen Ross
“With regards to the allegations being made by
Brian Flores, I am a man of honor and integrity and
cannot let them stand without responding. I take
great personal exception to these malicious attacks.
and the truth must be known. His allegations are
false, malicious and defamatory. We understand
there are media reports stating that the NFL intends
to investigate his claims, and we will cooperate
fully. I welcome that investigation and I am eager
to defend my personal integrity, and the integrity
and values of the entire Miami Dolphins
organization, from these baseless. unfair and
disparaging claims.”
Lol @ Ross being a man of honor and integrity
Well, in his own mind at least
Steve – Here’s the timeline on the NY Giants interviews. Flores’ interview came after Belichick’s texts to Flores. That’s why he’s mad.
Jan. 11 (Tue) – Giants fire Joe Judge as head coach
Jan. 21 (Fri) – Bills assistant GM Joe Schoen hired as GM
Jan. 21 (Fri) – Bills OC Brian Daboll interviews with Schoen and Giants’ co-owners via teleconference
Jan. 22 (Sat) – Bills DC Leslie Frazier interviews via teleconference
Jan. 23 (Sun) – Bengals DC Lou Anarumo interviews via teleconference
Jan. 23 (Sun) – Daboll and Frazier’s Buffalo Bills eliminated from playoffs
Jan. 24 (Mon) – Cowboys DC Dan Quinn interviews in-person. Giants’ first in-person interview for the job.
Jan. 25 (Tue) – Brian Daboll receives second interview. Interview occurs in-person
*Brian Flores receives text messages from Bill Belichick congratulating him on becoming next Giants coach even though Flores has not had his interview yet. Belichick’s text messages were intended for Daboll.*
Jan. 26 (Wed) – Giants DC Patrick Graham interviews. Does not satisfy Rooney Rule since in-house candidate
Jan. 26 (Wed) – Ex-Dolphins HC Brian Flores has dinner with Schoen
Jan. 27 (Thu) – Brian Flores interviews (satisfies Rooney Rule because it is in-person with someone outside organization)
Jan. 27 (Thu) – Dan Quinn announces he is remaining as Cowboys DC
Jan. 28 (Fri) – Leslie Frazier gets second interview, this time in-person, also satisfying Rooney Rule
Jan. 28 (Fri) – Daboll hired as head coach
Nothing to do with football, but this is a good op’ed
https://www.wsj.com/articles/were-all-whoopi-goldberg-now-anti-semitism-jews-holocaust-hitler-race-religion-extermination-the-view-11643820936?mod=hp_opin_pos_2#cxrecs_s
Not going to get deep into it, but she said she was sorry. So did Nick Cannon. If black folks say they’re sorry, it’s OK. White people are vilified and then fired when they say things that can be construed as racist. There is a strange standard on these kinds of things.
💯
Double standard for sure, don’t think she should be fired, but the precedent set says otherwise
Some are saying when the 2 weeks are up she’ll be fired or quit
Not sure what Flores is thinking, but he seems to be burning his bridges on any path to being a HC in the NFL….maybe even his career.
Maybe he wants to coach in the USFL
Was thinking that yesterday
I wonder if Flores would have done this if he would have gotten the Giants job. So was all of this pre planned in case he didn’t get a job?
I can’t imagine that he would. I think the Belichick text set him off.
I think this was in the works for a while but not getting the Giants job may have been the last straw
Maybe he thinks he wins a ton of money and he can retire. Can’t believe he will ever be considered for HC again.
I liked him and thought he was good for the organization. Now? These are WTF moments.
I also agree with those that think this will damage our coaching search. I would take pause in wanting to coach here. Yikes!
Our search was damaged the moment they fired Flores. They should have had a top 2 guys they could land and went after them hard. It’s funny that if Daboll would have been hired here, Flores could have very well been hired by the Giants and none of this would have come to light. There’s a lot of things New York had going for itself in landing Daboll, so we would have had to put the full court press on him, but it’s like we didn’t try.
The team started out 1-7 after a 10-6 previous season. There’s no way firing Flores couldn’t have been in the back of their mind to start analyzing who would be available and who to go after, especially if the stories are true about the personal rifts he was having with players, staff, and management.
Wait what? Have 2 guys lined up and break the Rooney rule?
They may have, but McD and Harbaugh couldn’t sign until this week
Either that or Flores would say that we pushed him out to get Daboll, i mean he could have just slid that other lawsuit to our laps lol.
No one said anything about breaking the rooney rule Steve. I also didn’t say have 2 white guys lined up. Daboll was mentioned, but I didn’t say anything about circumventing the process.
While it’s fun to speculate and pontificate over the whole thing, we’ll hopefully find out the truth as time goes on. I noticed that the media that was quick to put Flores down after he was fired, is now suddenly on his side.
Now I’m seeing Adam Gase getting a another job after getting fired from the Dolphins while black coaches are unemployed as a form of obvious racism. No, that’s a sign of obvious stupidity and hubris thinking the Jets could turn trash to treasure. No one’s rushing to hire Doug Pederson and his 42–37–1 (.531) regular season record, 4–2 (.667) playoff record and a 46–39–1 (.541) career record. Ken Whisenhut couldn’t get a HC job right after he left the Cardinals. When he did he was fired after 2 seasons. Dan Quinn couldn’t get another HC job after he left the Falcons. Shottenheimer was fired after a 14-2 season from the Chargers and replaced with Norv freaking Turner. Owners make bad decisions, it’s not always rooted in racism.
If teams thought the minority candidate was a better choice they’d go with him, these are businessmen who love to win, mostly at all cost
While Flores has done a good job coaching, he’s done a horrible job with mostly everything else and why he’s unemployed
Having a cancer as an HC is no way to win
Agree
Firing Flores doesn’t damage the search, it starts it….lol. The drama surrounding Flores damages the search as it relates to the Dolphins.
Starting 1-7 and then going 8-1 is a little mind boggling, imo. A fireable offense? Maybe.
And who’s to say research on potential candidates hadn’t started, but their interests in coaches were on playoff teams?
By looking at how they’ve handled the process so far.
I think everyone in NFL circles knew once Schoen was hired Daboll was going to NY that’s not racism it’s favoritism and it happens in business too
In govt jobs they have to interview the 5 top people and of those select one, and in many instances they already know who they’re going to hire
Think we’ll see McD announced shortly as our new HC
I’m with Ken n this one, just how all this went down i think this was in the works for a while. Giants thing might have been last straw but it was gonna happen at some point and we were always going to be named as one of the places he sued. I think with us it probably had to do with us reporting the split was due to him being what he considered was “the angry black man” which contributed to him not being able to secure a job in the early part of the hiring process and potentially puts us at fault for him not getting the Giants job.
My problem with it is we are the team that gave him his shot, we were one of the few teams to have a black HC last year, we were also i think the only team (maybe first ever team?) to simultaneously have a black head coach and a black GM, so how are we part of this racist group that is trying to keep the black man down? His firing was reported as unable to work with another black man, his boss, so how is that in itself being an “angry black man” when the one that reported this hostility was another black man.
There are so many reasons like this that make you know, he was going to pop at some point and these claims which seem to come on the heels of all the complaints about not enough black coaches, were going to be a part of a larger context lawsuit.
He had to include the Fins in the lawsuit or it loses merit, so either he made up the crap about the 100k (could’ve been someone joking about it) or Ross is a bigger idiot than we thought
Either way it’s sour grapes, as he said, it was more important to fight coaching inequality, even at the cost of him never getting an HC job in the NFL again
Jim Harbaugh called Michigan to inform the school that, despite interviewing with the Minnesota Vikings on Wednesday, he will be returning to the school for the 2022 season, sources told ESPN’s Adam Schefter.
Thank god.*cough* *cough* I mean im sorry Mikey.
Maybe im wrong but i have bad vibes about Harbaugh, like not only will he not be a successful coach for us but that he would shake shit up and potentially create even more drama, if that’s even possible at this point lol. Not to mention he a super whitey, giving Flores even more leverage lol.
I think those 2 leaches setting with Flores have been at this for years!
They finally found someone pissed off enough to put their name on it!
Now the Fins allegations??
We’ll have to see if that can be proven in court
Interesting, but pretty sure this wasn’t concocted since the belicheat texts
Once we hire an HC this will mostly blow over, at least as far as I’m concerned
It’s not like it’s going to court or paid off anytime soon
Brian Miller has an article about how this is going to hurt us in FA, but I disagree, money talks
Right, but mostly to the wrong people.
Now this is funny!
LMAO.
Literally Lol