I started not to write this since I thought most everyone knew my Dolphins story because a lot of you were around as it happened. I like to say I was acquired in 2008 as part of the Chad Pennington deal. But what you might not know is how unlikely it is that I’m a fan of football in the first place.
My high school was so small we didn’t have a football team. Then it was on to Marshall and there wasn’t much of a team there either. It was 10 years out from the crash and even though the team was still struggling everyone went to games to support the team. Football is special at Marshall and always will be. In the 4 years I was there they won a total of 8 games and honestly there wasn’t a lot to cheer about. We cheered for a nearly completed pass or an almost interception. At the end of each season it was the same thought; Maybe next year.
Being a fan of a good team is easy. Being a fan of a horrible team is hard. During that time at Marshall, as improbable as it was that a horrible team could make me a fan of a game, that’s exactly what happened. I didn’t just become a fan. I became a die-hard football fan.
One fun fact. I remember pulling for Miami to win the 1983 Superbowl against the Redskins. It was my senior year at Marshall and the guys upstairs from me had a Superbowl party. Everyone was for the Redskins and not to be one to follow the crowd, I was for the Dolphins. I really didn’t get into NFL games then. I was still just a fan of the Herd.
After I graduated from Marshall I continued to follow the team. Little by little they improved and that horrible team started winning and became the winningest team in the 1990s in any division of college football. The players that helped them become winners moved on to the NFL;
Troy Brown, Chad Pennington, Randy Moss and later Bryon Leftwich to name a few. I watched NFL games to see how they were all doing but I was still a college football fan.
Then Pennington was kicked to the curb by the Jets in favor of that dick pic texting ass Favre and I was pissed off. To put it in relatable terms, Pennington is to Marshall fans what Marino is to the Dolphins. Legend. How dare they? So I began watching Miami games and reading some articles online in the Miami news. I don’t know what it was but there was something about that team in 2008. Maybe part of it was the excitement of the Wildcat game in New England or ending the regular season with a victory over those idiots who had dropped Pennington.
I think part of it was watching a team turn things around, very similar to what I had watched the Herd do and with the same quarterback. It was so improbable they should be winning, yet they did. I was hooked. That season was so much fun to watch and I have to admit the blog was part of that. Even living where I do in an area without a professional team, I was still part of a group of fans. Even if some of those fans called Pennington 
noodle arm, I ignored it. Even if some of those fans were clamoring to start the rookie with the rocket arm. “Let’s see what we’ve got with Henne!! He can throw the ball through a wall!” I ignored that too. I won’t mention names. But you know who you are. 🙂
Another VIVID memory I have is either during the 2008 season or maybe 2009. I clicked on NFL network and they were showing an old Dolphins/Jets game and it was the start of the second half. A Monday night game. We were KILLING them. So I watched. And when it was over I wanted to know one thing: Why did no one warn me about that? Thanks, guys.
So there you have it. I envy all of you who remember winning seasons, playoffs and superbowls. Maybe next year.
Since this is running on Dr. Seuss’ birthday, I thought I’d finish with this.
Finsmob Unleashed 
Tim, yes we can match another team, but what if some team offers him close to $8.5-$9M? Can we afford to keep pace? Things to consider with this new Cap system.
Maybe not, but we still have the chance to do so.
Right. Personally I hope it works and Clay stays, we need him on the field, especially with #82 & #10 gone.
Same as if he becomes a regular free agent, but with no opportunity to ask that question.
My guess is the Dolphins brass analyzed the market for Clay, and thought this was the right way to go. It probably is, but there is always a chance a team with loads of cap room could make it impossible to keep him, but that was obviously a risk they were willing to take.
They may end up signing him long term, but I see this as a sign that they were worried about his injury history enough not to do so off the bat.
As I mentioned above…kinda saying we know you’re worth it, but we want to see it maybe one more year. But then his price could go up even more if he has a big year.
So I’m thinking it buys a lil time till they can get him to sign a reasonable contract this year. They have a lot of time to still do that.
Yup, sometimes ya got to gamble. It also means that they won’t be tagging Odrick, gonna let him test his value in the market untethered.
It’s a better option than just letting him hit FA where he could leave and never come back.
Yeah Tim, I agree
At that number…….I’m pretty positive he will be back. Think it is more than he is worth per year, but then you do pay a premium to get him for just one.
WOW, that was quick.
Eagles signed ILB Brad Jones, formerly of the Packers, to a two-year deal.
Cut by the Pack 10 days ago, Jones had also visited the Titans. Coming off a thoroughly underwhelming 2013-14, Jones will fill-in/compete opposite Mychal Kendricks as DeMeco Ryans recovers from a torn Achilles’ tendon. Jones was primarily a special teamer last season.
10 days not so quick. He could’ve been signed anytime after that since he was a FA.
Greg Aiello ✔ @gregaiello
NFL team salary cap 20 years ago in 1995? $37.1 million.
Hey man, in a sport without guaranteed contracts, it should be even higher. The players certainly feel that way, and rightfully so. Now, if they had contracts like MLB players, it would be a different story.
Great job Herd!! I did not know Pennington was the reason you became a Fins fan…I knew you loved him but that is cool!! He was and always will be a class act and he is the reason we made the playoffs in 2008.
Oh and by the way I met Larry Csonka on Sat. night here…had seen him when I was a kid at a pro am tennis tourney but was in the stands…he is huge was so friendly cause not many Fins fans in Central Valley…he is still a stud!!!
Check out @Mrs2620’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/Mrs2620/status/571855110218784768
That link doesn’t work. But kudos on meeting Csonka. I got his autograph as a kid at a pro/am golf tourney.
Awesome that you met him. Where was it and did other people around catch on to who he was?
Randall Cobb is not getting franchised by GB, and the Eagles are not assigning the franchise or transition tag to Jeremy Maclin.
Philbin knows Cobb well & Lazor knows Maclin…Hmmm.
Cool story, Herd. I had no idea you were such a recent addition to Finsfandom.
Welcome back, NJ. Good to read ya.
“Cali”Gigi…are you living in California now? I saw your moniker change some time ago but it didn’t really register that you might have moved out here…
Yes I am moved here mid-Jan. 🙂
Cool beanz. Welcome to the best, pardon, I mean West coast. hehe
Met him at NFL night in Tulare, CA. There are 4 former players from Tulare Union H.S. in NFL was a dinner and then speeches Csonka was the key note speaker. We had VIP tix so there was a meet and great with the players…I’m still smiling!! 🙂
Awesome…..you get better inside access to our stars in Cali than I do here.
If you check my Twitter @Mrs2620 posted pic of him he signed my guy’s Dad Csonka jersey a football and caps talked to us a few min
Still doesn’t work for me. Something about not being a follower.
http://network.yardbarker.com/author/article_external/18373292
Here is a story about dolphins and their WR draft board
Appearently we have
1 cooper (and will trade up for him)
2 strong and Parker (not sure who is 1st)
Where is white? (Gulp)
Story sounds completely speculative
How does anyone know who they have where on a draft board more than 60 days from draft???
You answered all your own questions. LOL
I call BS too!
It can only mean one thing. That we’re going to take DGB! 🙂
Based off from that, they must really hate Kevin White….LMAO
wow 7 million for clay. He’s not gronk.
Good thing, since Gronk averages 9m and his contract was signed 3 years ago!!!! He’d probably cost 12m or more today if I had to guess.
GDP and Stanger….link works now setting was messed up
Gronkowski is 9M a year boulder
Graham is $10M per.
Friggin Kevin Boss a few years ago got $8M per.
owe you a beer. His contract (Gronk’s) was also signed in the 2012 offseason.
Clay’s per year salary puts him at 7th in the league, just below Antonio Gates and just above Jared Cook.
Dennis Hickey was seen in the facility parking lot writing the name of the prospect they really want in chalk and really big letters.
When he wrote Kevin Whute walked over and pissed on it saying “Nit on my list!”
LOL..I heard Gil Brandt a couple days ago announce we were officially in the “don’t believe anything” season of the NFL.
http://overthecap.com/position/tight-end/
Here are the TE salaries
I think it’s updated
Clay is top 10 IMO
Not top 5
And he’s 7th on that list. So kinda works out.
Gigi,
Interesting story from my younger days in your neck of the woods. Back in 1990 Hilmar High School (a town north of you known for it’s dairy farms) was challenging the national record for consecutive wins. I lived in Modesto and a buddy of mine who “put 4 years of (his) life into that streak” offered to bring me down for the game and to celebrate afterwards.
Well, Hilmar lost the game when the kicker missed a game winning field goal. The town had a parade scheduled the next day, but instead, every business shuttered until the following Tuesday in mourning.
It’s crazy to see how much pride a small town can derive from a HS football team. Never saw anything like it before or since…population of the whole town back then was less than 1k I believe.
Because they’re all related.
Meh, just your typical small farm town.
That is awesome!! I never heard of Tulare until moving here…home of the world’s largest annual agricultural show..it’s all about agriculture farming and dairies amazing how much this state produces!! The event was at the Agri Ctr was sold out…I totally love it here the people are so friendly!!!:)
Glad to hear you’re settling in!
Also, kinda cool that you get to see another side of California. So many people think it’s movie starts, surfers and tree huggers, but we’re quite the melting pot.
Without MJ, CA is the largest agricultural producing state in the Nation- double the production of the number 2 state…Texas.. 🙂
I did have to look that up fwiw. I’m not quite that Cliff Clavin-y
maybe I should have said i’d rather have gronk for 9m than clay for 7m. I like clay but I’m worried about paying our own FAs. We don’t have a good record doing that.
If Gronk were a fa I would prefer him too
I think you either draft one high or pay him
All the TEs on this list with lower salaries are young guys
In this league either you are a cheap young guy
And elite guy with a big salary or a journeyman
That salary is not a cap breaker
Wallace’s is
I would rather give up 7m than have journeymen TEs
I wouldn’t mind a draftee but we have other priorities
Two thoughts:
Gronk isn’t available (obviously)
We don’t have a good record signing others’ either.
“I know who every team in the NFL is going to pick in the 1st round of the draft. When I was working with the Yeti’s in the Himalayas, not far from my house in Nepal, I met a wizard who told me many great things.”
– Brian Williams
Long term Clay is going to be averaging 6.5M per year. That’s the market. He’s the best FA in this class, and the draft TE class is weak. Either we go WAY backwards at the TE spot, or we get pay the man. There’s really no other solution out there.
uh…don’t know how “get” found it’s way into that sentence, but it’s superfluous.
D-Bolt
Here’s my 1/4 of the roster draft 😉
Your score is: 5686 (GRADE: A)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 25 (CAR): Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami (Fla.) (B+)
Round 2 Pick 15: Eric Kendricks, ILB/OLB, UCLA (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20 (PHI): Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (B+)
Round 2 Pick 22 (DET): Gabe Wright, DT, Auburn (B-)
Round 2 Pick 25 (CAR): Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A-)
Round 3 Pick 14: Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (Fla.) (B+)
Round 3 Pick 20 (PHI): Ibraheim Campbell, SS, Northwestern (C)
Round 3 Pick 25 (CAR): Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (C+)
Round 4 Pick 15: David Cobb, RB, Minnesota (A)
Round 5 Pick 14: Jordan Hicks, OLB, Texas (B-)
Round 6 Pick 15: Damarious Randall, FS, Arizona State (C+)
Round 7 Pick 15: Karlos Williams, RB, Florida State (A)
California should be broken up into 5 states.
1. Gnarly Dude
2. Hollywhores
3. Like Whatever!
4. #1 Farmers
5. Espanolio
6. Tourists from NJ who won’t go to the beach for fear a Shark’s going to jump out and munch them. 🙂
Jahn: I am learning stuff all the time !! Kevin Costner’s new movie is about a small school here and he is from city I live in…cool!! I work in Fresno but live in smaller city with small cities around
Very cool.
Jahn, Clay is god, but not the best FA TE in this class. Julius Thomas is.
^ good….lol not god.
Fair enough. I guess I figured since he can’t block that he’s not a fit here. But my point I think remains. Thin FA class, and thin rookie class. Avoiding a huge backslide means paying clay his market price. There’s little other option. I don’t think Thomas at 9 a year is better than Clay at 7, for us.
I’m happy retaining Clay, he knows the system and can help Tannehill a lot now that we’ll likely add another receiver in the draft.
Miami Dolphins ✔ @MiamiDolphins
Hickey: “We have used this option available to us with Charles with the hope that he continues to remain a member of the Miami Dolphins.”
So happy to not be a Browns fan. I feel for those guys….SMH!
ESPN Browns reporter Jeremy Fowler reports the team plans to add “at least” one more quarterback despite Friday’s signing of Josh McCown.
It will be in the form of a mid- to late-round draft pick or lower-tier free agent. The Browns can’t burn another day-one pick on a signal caller after last year’s Johnny Manziel fiasco, while they don’t have the money to commit to another one of this year’s “top” free agents. McCown’s three-year deal includes $6.25 million guaranteed, a princely sum for a 35-year-old journeyman who was horrendous in 2014.
Dennis Hickey’s former boss, @MarkdominikESPN, just named the Jags, Falcons and Dolphins are teams potentially interested in @NdamukongSuh
See Gil Brandt’s “Don’t believe anything season”.
I know, but ya never know….lol. Miami has a strong need there. So do the Falcons
It’s fun to dream Jahn. Don’t be such a realist!
Hey you guys know me. He’s a fin and I’m rooting for him. But I wouldn’t put any money on him coming here. I’d think drafting Shelton is more probably than that.
You are probably right Jahn. I could see him going to the Raiders with all of that cap room. They would be a good fit.
14: R1P14
OLB VIC BEASLEY
CLEMSON
47: R2P15
RB TODD GURLEY
GEORGIA
78: R3P14
CB BYRON JONES
CONNECTICUT
111: R4P15
G ALI MARPET
HOBART
142: R5P14
WR STEFON DIGGS
MARYLAND
175: R6P15
DE DEION BARNES
PENN STATE
207: R7P15
DT CHUCKY HUNTER
TCU
GDP,
I love the thought of adding Suh, but we would have to make a hell of a lot of cuts to make that happen. We currently have about $5 million to spend after the Clay signing, and if we sign Odrick at some point soon that would make signing Suh and virtual imposibility.
Yeah, but there’s at least 5 more of cap space that will be freed up IMHO. But I still don’t see it happening. Tannehill will be renewed this season with the extra space they can free up…IMHO.
The interest in Suh shown by Miami is likely just due diligence. I’d be happy with adding 26yo Stephen Paea for a lot cheaper and hoping what we have coming up in rotation will develop.
Thus saving some coin for a vet OG.
Go get Suh Hickey, just do it!
Typical Browns season…lol
Twice a year doing that to Brady – Priceless
Get Suh. Get Playoffs!
What if he Gets Hurt….then we done spent all our lunch & dinner money. 😉
With our luck we’ll sign Suh to a ginormous contract, happiness and alcohol will be enjoyed by all, we’ll dominate the first week of the season by blowing out a SB contender by 20 points on the strength of our Dline and the following week Suh will commit that egregious penalty that gets him suspended for a year.
Nah he’ll lose that just by virtue of leaving Detroit.
If he wasn’t one mistake away from a year long suspension I’d feel a whole lot better about the idea of signing him. We could use the fire and intensity he brings to the table.
That would be worse than an injury….UGH.
Funny Kong is not sure of Kong. 😉
LOL, no relation.
Only in size
Let me just say this to Earl Mitchell:
Earl if we get Suh he gets your number. I’m tired of high priced free agents coming here and throwing off their mojo by having them switch uni numbers. Suh wears 90 in the NFL and it needs to stay that way.
Thank you
As you stick your finger in Earl’s chest telling him so. 😉
I’m going to hope it won’t come to that
I’d say I have your back, but then we’d both get our asses kicked.
I’m not even going to focus on Suh because I don’t believe it will happen.
The thought of it makes me giddy, I’m skipping around the room right now.
You could argue Julius Thomas is a product of being on such a potent offense with Peyton. A lot of times when guys like that go to another team they’re not all that.
They weren’t on the same page much this year. I feel like Clay’s been a more consistent producer over their respective rookie contracts. Thomas built his reputation in 2013 with Peyton, and barely maintained it this season.
He stills scored 12 TDs which is what jumps out at everyone. Not sure he does that anywhere else.
It does jump out at everyone, but I agree that it’s a product of Peyton almost as much as it is Thomas. Wherever he goes, they’ll pay him for 12+ TD production and he’ll get 8-10 TDs, complain about his targets and the honeymoon will be over. Sound familiar?
Brian,
I like the Barnes pick in your mock. If he can develop a year or 2 he could be really good!
I agree. It was a bit of a homer pick, but I think the value was good there. He has a high motor and can get after the QB.
He has some intriguing traits like Wake coming out of PSU. His athletic ability and the bend he can get around the corner is really special.
Good points dbolt. He’s definitely worth taking a flier on if he’s there in the later rounds.
I saw the Wallace poll for the first time today. It has no “Trade him if it’s there, cut him if not” option and therefore I declare it invalid.
Adam Beasley @AdamHBeasley 1h1 hour ago
Dominik just called Suh a “generational free agent.” Compared him to Reggie White. Said the Dolphins 1 of 3 teams with a real shot. Uh oh.
@RapSheet: I agree RT @Robi2184: NFL Network’s @RapSheet calls the #Dolphins a wildcard willing to pursue Ndamukong Suh
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These guys are full of shit. No way you do that with the cap situation.
We have $11 million in cap space right now after the Clay signing. If we cut Ellerbe and Wheeler, Suh is a real possibility. If we re-sign Odrick, he’s probably out.
Not going to happen especially when you have the Raiders & their $60 million in cap space.
Not. Gonna. Happen. Sorry Son et al…
I can’t believe the draft is almost 2 months away.
The only thing that is bull shit is these guys getting our hopes up of getting Suh here.
Finances won’t work. If it was next year and were sitting on a boatload of cash, then maybe, but I don’t see this happening at all.
Dumbass tweets this on Suh….
Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
When you folks get pimped & realize Suh isn’t coming to Miami. That his agents just USED the Dolphins I’ll be here to pick up the pieces
Then he tweets this afterwards….SMH
Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
If I’m Dolphins I’d put a 6-yr, $106M deal on the table, something that features $52M in guaranteed money out there….but wouldn’t
The first scene is Son finding out we didn’t land Suh. LOL
Dolphins – $152,926,937 adjusted cap with carry over from last season.
Did they announce the new cap?
$143.5
Yeah, hours ago.
It’s not likely we get Suh, but may as well have fun with it until we don’t.
I’m sure enjoying it. LOL
dbolt,
Brian in NY says:
March 2, 2015 at 6:26 pm
You are probably right Jahn. I could see him going to the Raiders with all of that cap room. They would be a good fit.
dbolt and Jahn,
http://malevolent-murder.deviantart.com/art/Always-rain-on-my-parade-30151660
why are we carrying $667.43 against our cap in dead money for Even Finkenberg? WHO THE FUCK IS EVEN FINKENBERG?
That decimal point isn’t misplaced. LOL
That forced the team to eat PB&J for lunch last year.
Thanks, Brian, on the cap.
GD, I wasn’t waiting by the phone hours ago. LOL
So how much cap space do we have at this very exact moment?
It should be about $11 million
After the Clay transition tag we’re at about $5.5-$6M I think.
Instead of paying Suh that kinda money, I rather sign, DT Stephan Paea, FS Rahim Moore, & LG Clint Boling as the main FA moves besdies Clay & possible Odrick staying.
Then have fun with a more open freedom in the draft. Draft a big WR early, then LB in the 2nd.
I hear you, but I think it’s time we made a big splash. I’m not talking about overpaying for hopeful, up and coming LB’s who underperformed for two seasons. I’m talking about signing the best player at his position.
Fans are like a lake. NFL agents toss out there lures and everyone catches their limit. LOL
Sooo, stop being a fan.
Noooo. stop believing in all the yarn being spun. LOL
Tim, can you please pull this hook out?
LOL, need Suh to reel you in.
Suh changes the entire face of our defense. It also opens up the draft for WR, OL, LB, CB and S. No need for a DT.
Wait until you see what his market is. Mario Williams has a $98M deal. Keep going.
That doesn’t mean anything. I only worry about the guaranteed dollars.
Yup. If they can find a way to make it work I’m on board. Two things that concern me though:
1. His potential for a lengthy suspension
2. We would be investing a ton of money annually in two players soon: Tannehill and Suh
Steve Ross has to recoup anoth half bill, suh will fill his reduced sized stadium and some of those fancy seats at that.
LMAO!
Hickey you know what to do.
Go get Suh.
Seriously that would be more influenced by Tannenbaum’s need to make a statement more than anything else imo, and really I’m fine with it. Get Suh here and draft 5 more guys like Landry and let’s roll.
Fuck yeah
I know he’s a blocker eater, but Suh has only one or two forced fumbles over his NFL career. With his strength and long arms you’d think he’d have more strips. Even if the ball carriers are never running near him….lol
He’s too busy punching and kicking them to focus on the ball.
That’s actually shocking to me.
Thanks for the cap info.
I’d prefer we add some solid FAs to fill some voids and make a splash in the draft. I’d be okay with trading up more than down. Not necessarily in the 1st, but maybe in the 2nd (4th rd pick) and in the 3rd (5th rd pick) to target guys we really like and have high on our board. Then we finish with a 6th and 7th. We have a lot of developmental players. We need more ready-now impact players.
son of a son of a shula says:
March 2, 2015 at 6:52 pm
Twice a year doing that to Brady – Priceless
lol. that is funny that you think that. so sweet you think roger baby would let that happen. he got suspended for stepping on rogers then it was appealed and he got to play. can you imagine the ban he would get if he stomped on brady.
all kidding aside, there is no way in hell roger will let him play in miami. he will suspend him until brady retires.
Brian, remember what kind of cap hits and dead money those super large contracts create. It’s not just guaranteed money.
True, but I’m willing to roll the dice on a player of his caliber. It’s not often someone like him hits the open market.
det did nothing with suh and that was when he didnt eat up 20% of the salary cap. any team that signs him is going no where. albert haynesworth II
Here you go Brian.
LMFAO! I love that movie! I love the part when he lets the dog out and he just takes off running and doesn’t come back.
Dog!!! Hey Dog!!! He sure likes to run. LOL
“he will suspend him until brady retires.”
ffr, that’s real. I hadn’t considered that part of it.
No way is Suh like haynesworth, they’re totally different. Suh works, Haynesworth never put in the time.
son
i wish it was just a joke but we all know it isnt. roger will suspend the living shit out of suh if he is in the same state as brady much less the same stadium.
Wouldn’t that mean they are on the same team?
I’d rather sign a 2nd tier anchor DT in FA and draft Malcom Brown than blow my wad on Suh.
That’s because you love 8-8, lol jbb
I’m tired of being a 2nd tier team, Tim. I’m ready to take some chances. Doing it the so-called “right way” hasn’t gotten us anywhere in the last decade.
How is drafting a good prospect like Brown make it 2nd tier? The 2nd tier FA is just a space-eater who plays 20-25 snaps that fills a void for us. Brown is the prospect with upside.
With the whole Goodell/Pats love affair and their cheating ways. When we discussed poison pill contracts earlier it made me think, of course it was NE in 2007 offering Welker a contract as a RFA that stated: “if he plays more than 4 games in Florida his entire contract is guaranteed.”
They never stop with that nonsense.
Brian in NY says:
March 2, 2015 at 8:02 pm
Wouldn’t that mean they are on the same team?
aaahhh no. i mean other teams travel to NE and play agains……wait you are right. no one plays against the pats, they play against roger and the nfl. basically the pats play with themselves.
tim
yep they never stop. why i think sighing suh will only lead to roger suspending him for getting with in 8 yards of brady. it is a terrible idea.
Brian, when exactly have we done it the right way recently? We recently blew a wad of money in 2013 that didn’t have the impact we were looking for. Changing coaches and using FA to turn the roster around has not worked. We still have players we drafted from the last three classes who need to step up and get the ‘right way’ going. Add some impact in the 2015 draft.
Tim, they just mocked Brown in the top 10 on NFLN. We may have a better shot at Shelton.
Mon frere…
I’ve been seeing him in the 14-17 range. That’s all I was going by. I like Brown more than Shelton. Shelton might be better as a pure NT in a 3-4. He’s very slow – 5.6/40. I know it’s not about track speed with lineman but that’s tortoise range. LOL
Add through the draft and live with the results!
FA killed the radio gods!!!!!!!!!!!!
😉
Merling, Martin, Eggmuffin, Pat Turner, Clyde Gates, Pat White, Nalbone those guys? LOL
Who was GM for all those guys? LOL
I’m just bustin’ balls, I agree with him (except for Suh – go get Suh)
Brian, I’m tired too on being 2nd tier team. That’s why from day 1 I was saying we should swing for the fences, but do it in the draft.
Take a questionable character in DGB, but who’s upside is off the charts. Do the same with say Josh Shaw, Marcus Peters, Perryman, Perriman, Dorsett, Kendricks…..
Darby fits the mold
GD, if you draft a questionable character in the 1st round don’t complain when your team still isn’t a playoff team.
DGB doesn’t just have off-the-field concerns, he’s considered very raw and limited in fundamentals at this time. He didn’t even play last year.
I know you envision him running past and jumping over everyone, but it doesn’t usually work that way.
I’d bet Shelton goes before Brown.
Furthermore, I’d take Shelton over Brown any and every day of the week
I think Brown will be the more dynamic player. I’ll bet you a Bass Ale which I’m about to crack. 🙂
Who cares how fast your DL runs? C’mon!!!! Odrick is fast and he can’t fucking SNIFF a QB! We need a guy that’s going to demand double teams and sometime beat them. That’s Shelton.
He’ll be great in mud games when nobody can run. He’ll play a tree. LOL
That was also Manny Wright coming out of college. 😉
My reply was for Mr. Hand.
Tim, I hear ya…but my point was….take the chances with draft picks here and there because you get them so much cheaper these days. We saw that chance taking on Dion Jordan, so far it hasn’t worked out. But the next one might!
Beats over spending for broken down vet FA’s year in and out.
It’s a fine line. Being a GM isn’t easy.
I don’t think it’s easy to be a GM either, even though everyone plays one on a blog. LOL
Who said sign broken down vets? Maybe don’t sign broken down vets. 🙂
LOL, no one said sign broken down vets, but it happens…seems we see more FA failures than hits.
Silly Tim says:
March 2, 2015 at 7:55 pm
Brian, remember what kind of cap hits and dead money those super large contracts create. It’s not just guaranteed money.
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Brian in NY says:
March 2, 2015 at 7:57 pm
True, but I’m willing to roll the dice on a player of his caliber. It’s not often someone like him hits the open market.
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Not entirely true. Dead money=(Guaranteed money/years of contract)-guaranteed money already paid. As you can see, Guaranteed money is the most critical number for that formula.
I’m here for you guys. Let me help. 😛
jk/bb!!!!
Well tell me what the issue is with cutting Wallace and Ellerbe then? Seems like a lot of dead money in their 3rd year.
GDP
You’re comparing Manny Wright to Danny Shelton? WOW! Where is that coming from? I think Shelton’s going to be a very good NFL player.
Saban thought so…lol I don’t, but point is, there are busts every year and not the pretty ones that the cheerleaders sport.
Right now is the moment Miamis been waiting for…Trade Wallace straight up for Andre Johnson.
That could happen too, but Johnson @ 34 still has $10.5 & $11M left on his final 2 years of his contract.
Wallace in year 2 of Lazor’s offense could draw the doubles leaving Adre Johnson with favorable matchups. There’s your big WR leaving Landry in the slot and Wallace & Johnson on the outside. That’s about 24 TD’s between them all. 🙂
The Houston Chronicle’s John McClain reports the Texans have given Andre Johnson permission to seek a trade, and if one can’t be found, he’ll be released.
The Texans informed Johnson that he’ll have a reduced role in 2015, and the soon-to-be 34-year-old has asked to be cut or traded. Houston will grant him his wish. We highly doubt any team will trade for Johnson, considering he’s scheduled to earn base salaries of $10.5 million and $11 million the final two years of his contract. The Texans will clear $8.825 million against the cap by shedding Johnson’s contract. The move will lock DeAndre Hopkins into the clear-cut No. 1 receiver role after he took another leap forward as a sophomore in 2014.
A wind just whirled behind Piggy when you mentioned Hopkins
Seastrunk 😉
I though that was a fart but I see now some one mentioned Hopkins
Tim
You’re on! How do we quantify their play though? Shelton is going to be more of a space eater than a sack guy. I’d bet if Shelton were here, our run defense would be a whole lot better.
May take him a year or two.
In 5 years after they play out their rookie deals you can see who gets the bigger contract.
Brown is also a very good run defender. He’s a natural wide body at 6-2 320 who can move his frame — 5.05. Again not the tell all, it just means to me that he can shoot gaps, slide up and down the line and make plays. Shelton reminds me more of a Soliai or Raji, the only difference is they both moved better than him too.
I liked Shelton early on, but have backed off because I feel he’ll be a limited 2-down NT type where Brown can be a 3-down player.
I think we’ll both know who the better player is in a few years.
GDP
Manny was a 5th RD Supplemental Draft pick. Shelton is likely a top 10 REAL Draft pick
True, but Baby Huey was the first thing that came to my tortured mind.
How about Clowney, he’s not healthy, or BJ Raji, Aaron Maybin.
I tend to agree with the idea that it’s better to take risks on draft picks than with free agent signings. but I also agree with the concept of avoiding unneccesary risk with BOTH the draft and free agency. I think with DGB you’re incurring way too much vs. the risk presented by drafting another young talented WR in that slot. Randy Moss was only a sure thing in retrospect. Coming out he was just as much Charles Rogers as he was Randy Moss.
I kind of agree with Tim that if you’re going to take risks like that you are going to endure some 8-8 seasons.
Regarding Suh, I don’t really know. My common sense says no way. But if the “once in a generation talent” thing is true, Maybe you have to make a play. I’d still bet against it happening. Curious who here honestly believes that once in generation thing?
Also, to catch up…lol @ Son regarding 8-8.
Once in a generation is tough to quantify but I’ve always been a Suh fan and advocated for trading up to get him and he’s still just as coveted and that much more experienced 5 years later. The potential for a long suspension exists but that is really the only risk.
Hanging out on SoBe instead of 8 mile may take care of those anger issues.
Gee I’d sure hate to risk taking DGB and having another 8-8 season. 😉
Agreed on Suh not being a once in a generation player. In fact statistically his best season was his rookie season. He’s declining rapidly….lol. Ok not rapidly, but weird seeing that when I checked out his stats again.
Wait, didn’t the Texans just re-sign Andre Johnson?
Ooops! ARZ with Larry Fitzgerald. Never mind.
GD, you suggested “Beats over spending for broken down vet FA’s year in and out.” How else am I going to respond? Don’t do that! LOL
Meh, we all take eachother out of context on a consistent basis.
Sorry, I should have realized you meant you were going to rail that hotty instead. LOL
Get ready for the Andre Johnson to. Dolphins talk
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once in a generation????? yeah the fins had one of those. more then a generation. probably in the the history of the league best ever type of talent. and how many SB’s the marino win? i dont know much but for sure as hell know this game is more then one player. suh can be once in a generation but he is going to eat up 20 percent of a teams cap. that isnt going to win any one a SB
Come on I’m giddy as fuck here STOP being logical.
(Oh “Logical” – RIP Mr. Spock)
Johnson will probably come real cheap (things I overhead in key west)
LMAO, wrong Johnson’s all over that Gay West area.
Didn’t seem too gay to me either time I was there. Kind of a lot of hot hetero girls actually. Don’t worry GDP, they’re not as scary as the gay kinds. Go on down there and check it out. I promise you won’t catch any “gay” 😉
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Tim
I know you like brown
And I like him too
But I think Shelton is the best run stuffer in the draft
And after Shelton it’d Eddie Goldman IMO
But Goldman doesn’t offer much pass rush
Brown is a lot more versatile
I know, I prefer Brown’s skills more. I think we can add a 15-20-25 snap or whatever it is anchor in FA relatively cheap. A no name lunch pail guy who plays the run well but isn’t going to give you much pass rush. I don’t like drafting 2-down players in the 1st round unless they’re pass rushers in key situations.
Shelton to me is a 2-down 3-4 NT. I don’t like him as a good fit in a 4-3. That’s just me. I wouldn’t draft him top 20.
I think Shelton has shown he can play 3 downs
He is Wally unique
But he will be gone by 14 anyway
Brown is probably the 3rd td off the board
Tim, I’m gonna rail a hotty tomorrow nite. (code for stop blowing money on guys like Wheeler & Porter….
I agree. It didn’t work out and I’m saying don’t do that.
Wait Porter? Joey Porter? Didn’t he lead the league in sacks the year we made the playoffs in 2008?
“Well tell me what the issue is with cutting Wallace and Ellerbe then? Seems like a lot of dead money in their 3rd year.”
Sure.
Wallace was guaranteed 30M total. 11 of that was signing bonus the rest was salary in years 1-3.
The contract was 6 years so that’s 2.2 of signing bonus attributable to each year of the contract (when calculating dead cap hit).
In year one he recieved 12m of his guarantee (bonus+salary). In year two he received 15m of guaranteed money (all salary). In year 3 he’s due to recieve 3M of his guaranteed.
His dead cap hit is the remaining untabulated signing bonus (2.2*3years) and the remaining guaranteed money (3m). 9.6M.
So there you have it. LOL..like I said. I’m here for ya Tim. 😛
LOL, I’m not a finance guy and don’t care to be. But how does the dead cap hurt our overall cap availability? That’s what I’m not getting. Does the dead cap subtract from our available cap funds in 2015?
HERD: I ABSOLUTELY LOVED YOUR STORY ABOUT BECOMING A DOLPHIN FAN. –And I shared your view on the Pennington vs. Henne issue. AS one who saw Henne play in Big 10 games, I was convinced that he was, at best, a back-up quality NFL player. Ohio State fans used to tell “Henne Jokes” on the air (radio station WBNS in Columbus) the week they played Michigan.
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Your discussion of Super Bowl XVII also brought back some not-so-good memories. I was at that game. I STILL WEAR my hat from that game to all Dolphin games 33 years later (As Young Stanger can attest to). HOPE all is well with Dolfans everywhere. HOPE to be able to post something tomorrow before heading out to work. PEACE to all.
Reminds me of the dead schembechlers.
“Gee I’d sure hate to risk taking DGB and having another 8-8 season. 😉 ”
I’d accept that if I knew I wasn’t going to have to listen to you scapegoat a bunch of players I like when it happens. LOL…
Naw, I’ll be gentle 🙂
BTW, that was funny above on Key West. It is a nice area. I was just being a satirical ass.
Me too actually. This post too. 🙂
Actually goes without saying with you. 😉
Oh good. Glad we got that out there.
I like Malcolm Brown, he’s young, a junior, but he’s played football since he was 7yo. He reminds me of a young Warren Sapp build and quickness, and tenacity.
I’d rather draft a tree and just plant him there and say, don’t let them move you. LOL JK/BB
I see Brown as more of a mix of Marcell Dareus and Gerald McCoy.
Silly Tim says:
March 2, 2015 at 9:28 pm
I agree. It didn’t work out and I’m saying don’t do that.
Wait Porter? Joey Porter? Didn’t he lead the league in sacks the year we made the playoffs in 2008?
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Who knows….too many libations drowning our sorrows since that so called magical 208 season. What happened there again? 😉
Brown and Shelton aren’t even really the same position. What’s the debate again? Another gap shooter (even in the light of reports we’re going to re-sign Odrick) vs. a Run stopper?
I think brown is more run supper than you are giving him credit for
He might even be able to be developed into a NT
Well that film right there showed him doing absolutely nothing but penetrating. Sometimes that resulted in run stuffs, but I didn’t see a showcase on block eating. Admittedly that’s all I’ve seen of the guy. So maybe they just showed the glorious stuff.
Hint, Brown has played both.
Show me some of that footage GDP.
Sure. Same as it always goes in that situation.
Thanks everyone who commented. As I said, I thought everyone already knew the story, being I’m a relative newbie. Guess that proves you really don’t pay attention to anything I say. 🙂