By Rhino
2015 was my 39th Dolphins draft (in 45 years as a fan) in which I was aware that a draft even existed. ☺
I used to wait for the newspaper to see a list of names, but I had no way to know who most players were, outside of a top pick here or there. Plus, like most others in the 1970’s, rookies were not seen as ‘game changers’.
Here are some of my most VIVID memories of Dolphins drafts. They jump out because AT THE TIME they elicited emotional memories, regardless of eventual status as HOF or bust. This is NOT a list of “best drafts” or “worst drafts”. It is an attempt to express how our team has intertwined itself with our lives.
The grouping of recent drafts making the list, I would assume, is the result of the NFL’s “product diversification” through the NFL Network and marketing every aspect of the season and off-season to the fans.
The drafts are listed chronologically, but given a number ranking to show where I rank them for personal reasons.
# 7. 1976 Kim Bokamper
Because my mom loved Johnny Cash’s “A Boy Named Sue” … hot Iowa summer nights on the porch, I would sing “A Boy Named Kim”. She gave me looks like I was stupid for not knowing the lyrics. lol (give me a break, I was 13!)
#11. 1978 Guy Benjamin
My first year in California… a Stanford QB to replace Griese? Say it ain’t so! Whew! It wasn’t so!
#2. 1981 David Overstreet
Spring of my junior year of high school… Believe it or not, this ranks as one of my most vivid memories, perhaps because his tragic death has been burned it in my memory.
#4. 1983 Dan Marino
I was dealing with a knee injury and the possibility of losing my track scholarship in my second year of college. I was supposed to transfer from my junior college in California to U.T.S.A. in the Fall, but they were waiting for medical reports. I knew nothing of the “rumors” surrounding Marino. I didn’t question how we got him… I was just thrilled that David Woodley would not be our “Griese” (I know, just ask OD… some of us just can’t shake the ghost of those 70’s teams). This draft has been elevated in status, like 1981, but for positive and obvious reasons. By 1985 I would be bragging about this draft, even if I had been preoccupied at the time.
#10. 1989 Two 1st Round Picks
I had been in Dallas-FW area for 5 years and was in graduate school, waiting tables and listening to the draft on the radio in the kitchen. Sammie Smith and Louis Oliver were the picks. We were in the ESPN days but I used my money for books (is that how you spell beer?) rather than cable t.v.. However, I was an avid college football fan and in the 1980’s the teams from the state of Florida dominated the college discussions like today’s SEC. Fla. St. and UF guys staying in Florida? Can’t miss. Oops, it would have been better from U-Miami in the late 80’s.
MIAMI – NOVEMBER 28: University of Miami Hurricanes head coach Jimmy Johnson celebrates with Michael Irvin #47 following the game against the Notre Dame Fighting Irish at the Orange Bowl on November 28, 1987 in Miami, Florida. Miami defeated Notre Dame 24-0. (Photo by Focus on Sport/Getty Images)
#9. 1990 Richmond Webb
Webb was a product of Roosevelt H.S. in Dallas, not far from where I was still training in a post-college attempt to break a 4-minute mile. I grew up idolizing Sebastian Coe, Steve Ovett, Jim Ryun, and Steve Prefontaine. I ran 4:03 in 1987 and wanted to reach the sub-4 milestone before entering my life as a “worker bee”. On the Tuesday after the draft, during a 12-mile run, everyone was talking about local product Webb getting drafted. I could finally talk about the Dolphins in the middle of Cowboy country. Webb was an instant favorite. (p.s., I tore my Achilles that summer and never raced again, subsequently going from Manute Bol-thin to looking like Richmond Webb).
#12. 1996 Karim Abdul-Jabbar
Just the name, folks. He wasn’t even a first rounder. I clearly remember joking: wow, we just drafted a the tallest RB in history. I made this joke to my students as a first year teacher. “Crickets” from the purple dinosaur generation.
#5. 2005 Ronnie Brown
The drafts from previous years were a blur, having been embroiled in a brutal divorce. 2005 was my first freedom draft. I hated the pick, and I thought it was a terrible year to be drafting that high, desperately wanting them to trade back. Ronnie’s jersey was the first I had owned since Griese (Marino t-shirts, but no jersey). Ten years later this was a classic case of overcompensation. Something about our drafts in the mid-naughts just didn’t feel right. But it could have been worse. We could have taken Cadillac Williams or Cedric Benson. Perhaps take Aaron Rodgers and wait for a RB (hindsight is wonderful).
#1. 2007 Tedd Ginn
Everyone wanted a QB. I wanted Adrian Peterson. I had remarried and my wife had graduated from U.T. so we watched all the games. Peterson was NFL ready coming out of high school (yes, look it up!). His freshman year at Oklahoma he single-handedly ran OVER the Longhorns. I hate OU, but couldn’t stop talking about this kid. My academic team was at state competition, and the coach (ME) was sneaking away to watch GameCast of the draft online. A.P. was almost there for us. Damn Vikings!! I know, I know… we just drafted Brown a few years ago. Then the Dolphins called Ginn’s name. I slammed my laptop closed and didn’t even look at the rest of the draft until the following Wednesday. It wouldn’t be long until 1-15. My laptop slam was prophetic! The Dolphins still seem to be reeling, but my academic teams (four different teams per year) went the opposite direction, winning a combined 26 state titles and 7 national championships. Somewhere Seinfeld is smugly satisfied about how he always “breaks even”.
#3. 2008 Jake Long
My attempts to bring my new wife into the Dolphin family fan had slammed into that 1-15 season. She was not impressed. She feigned interest as I explained the significance of our First #1 overall pick since 1966’s inaugural. I spent more time reading media debates on this pick than I had in my previous 30+ years combined. I felt Long was the best and SAFEST pick. What I hadn’t internalized at that time was that the game had ALREADY changed, and we may have been drafting for the ‘old game’.
#6. 2012 Ryan Tannehill
After the “Suck for Luck” vs “Play to Win” endless debates, a QB was certainly gonna happen. Like many Dolphin fans, we worry about getting a “Ghandi complex” by intentionally starving ourselves on draft day. Tannehill was my LEAST favorite. In six years of UT games, I finally understood what they hated about Tx A&M. I was hoping for the Fins to wait until the 2nd round and take Cousins. I had a Ginn moment. My television was in more danger than a Fox News reporter on a late night stroll through Baltimore. The only pick I liked was Miller. If I can warm up to Tanny leading our team, just about anybody can. ☺ Tanny’s first game ever as our QB would be the first game for my daughters and my wife. The last two minutes of the first half (Texans) I got some of those “1-15” looks.
#8. 2015 Overall Haul of Talent
This draft is fresh but I can’t help but feel it will stay in my top 10 rankings because of the cumulative impression of “football” guys we have collected in the draft and undrafted free agents. What a joyful opposition to 2007. This is one of the first drafts in decades where I didn’t find myself “rationalizing” until I “liked” the picks.
Perhaps the 2015 draft will be remembered because of a bunch of Dolphin bloggers with laptops of their own, who over the last few years were able to teach me so much about this game (and team) that has been with me throughout my life.
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Maybe he will take out Winston’s knee in practice.
Ken loves WWII so much he wishes he was born in the 1920s. 😉
More like 1905. So this way I would have been old enough to have been in a command position by the time the war broke out.
Good point, what would you name your horse? LOL
Ken says:
May 11, 2015 at 5:01 pm
Good. I am done with Thomas. He does not have the strength to take on the DTs in our division
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Sooo you’ve been watching him in the weight room this offseason? Thanks for the update 😉
LOL at the the idea that one off season in the weight room and somehow or another a player will totally transform his game. Thomas supposedly went on a big work out program last year. He was still a pussy in pass protection. A Zebra don’t change it stripes.
Someone should dress up as Dallas Thomas for Halloween and knock on Ken’s door. LOL
LMFAO!
I would Rochembeau him.
Boulder,
You listen to any Broncos talk there on sports radio?
Wonder how bummed horse face is how that his draft pick Heuerman blew his knee over the weekend lol.
Tim,
I agree about Thomas, and I said the same about Martin after he started four games at LT after Long was injured. He was absolutely manhandled and abused on plays involving less than household names. IMO, people who get beat that bad will not make it as a starter in the NFL.
So you would Rochembeau Thomas if he cam trick or treating on your neighborhood too?
Yeah, but then he’d probably fuck me up.
Nah. he wouldn’t he is a pussy.
Lol!
We’ll see how he pans out. We’re talking about a player who didn’t play at all as a rookie and played mostly RT last year, not LG. He also had most of troubles against elite players, not unknown guys.
Brady suspended four games!!!!!
Time to get out of the office. Peace.
Patriots also lose their 1st rounder in 2016 and are fined $1 million!
Wooo hoooo!!!!! Fuck you Patriots!
Before I go my buddy just texted me that Brady suspended 4 games and Pats lose a pick next year. Not sure which round.
I’ll take a few beers Ken- see above.
This will be the make or break season for Dallas Thomas. Year 2 of John Benton’s tutelage.
You don’t give up just yet on a player like Thomas who came in with a lot of potential that showed in Tenn.
His best position is LG, he played that the most in TN. He has quick feet, moves well and can pull, get to the second level nicely.
He showed good improvement at end of the season once he was moved back to G.
DL’s did a lot of stunts to get thru Miami’s OL. Satele wasn’t capable of handling that, nor was Colledge and Albert was gone & J. James was a rookie.
Lets see where we are at in camp & PS games to be able to cast a final call/judgement on Dallas Thomas.
Appears Brian is on it to confirm the info.
Beers on me. Brian
😉
It’s going to be a fun ride home listening to the lamentations of the Pats fans on NFL radio.
How lame of the NFL, a measly 4 game suspension for Brady the main culprit….SMH
Belicheat, behind the whole thing, will use this to get Garappolo some valuable PT since Brady is now 36.
Pats open with Steelers, @ Bills, Jags, @ Cowboys.
Who cares about the loss of a draft pick, they’ll trade someone and get that back, also they always get a ton of comp picks….and the $1M fine…LMAO, yeah, that;s gonna teach Kraft a lesson, how will he ever make that loss up…SMH!!!
Also expect an appeal to reduce the suspension down to 2 games….SMH
I agree. 4 games is not enough. If you smoke pot you get 4 games. What he did is way worst
Four games for Brady and a first rounder……..not so bad. Four is what I figured it would be but wasn’t so sure the draft pick would be a first since they couldn’t tie the collusion to the evil genius or someone else in the front office.
Nothing happened to Belichick? wtf.
He’s too smart for it. They couldn’t tie him to a thing.
Pat first four Garoppolo games.
Sep 10 vs Pittsburgh
Sep 20 @ Buffalo
Sep 27 vs Jacksonville
Oct 11 @ Dallas
In other news,
brady is such a prick. He said this the week that he cheated
Jamison Hensley
@jamisonhensley
Tom Brady to the #Ravens on Jan. 10: “Those guys gotta study the rule book and figure it out”
Pats get a bye after week 4. So Brady will have 2 weeks to prep for his return to play the Colts, an important AFC match up….SMH
Rishard Matthews ✔ @_RMatthews
Nice slap on the wrist 😂😂😂 what a joke
Goo-de-hell what a joke he is, 4 games, really? That’s all the integrity to the game is worth for a 2nd time getting caught (notice I didn’t write 2 time offender).
They also lose a 2017 4th rounder….YAWN 🙄 …comp picks will make up for that as well.
Wonder what the logic was on the 2017 4th rounder. Maybe that was Godell saying, “let’s throw something else in to make it look like we really thought about this.”
He pulled it out of his ass like the 4 games.
The entire thing is a game to the cheats and goodehell, and cry brady will be working out in secret with the team.
Tom — “Your actions as set forth in the report clearly constitute conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the game of professional football.”
Sincerely Yours, Troy Vincent.
Dolphins awarded OL Donald Hawkins off waivers from Dallas, waive OL Mark Asper.
He just turned 23 in April, he’s out of Texas, 6’4 310.
He’s added muscle weight since he came out of college.
CBS Scouting report:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1984343/donald-hawkins
Stanger,
sorry for the slow response on ww2 stuff… it’s a great topic. While VJ day was August (and VE day was May), the last major battle was Okinawa in April… decision to drop the bomb took four months I guess 🙂 ‘Europe first’ was a stall tactic (which really pissed off Stalin who wanted a second front and would drive post war actions..)
I think “emphasis” on Pacific is better language so it doesn’t sound sequential.
US troops into Italy in July ’43, Normandy of course a year later…
In the Pacific, Midway June ’42 (and Coral Sea a month earlier just as importantly) sets up the two-pronged ‘leap frog’ across the Pacific. Air superiority achieved, it was a matter of executing the plan from that point on (not to down play the difficulty and sacrifice the plan would require). But there really wasn’t anything Japan could do to stop us… just slow us down. That’s when the U.S. agreed to commit to Italy… (and most likely Normandy was an easier commit). By this time the strategy in the Pacific was ‘predictable’ (although I think Okinawa was a shocker).
Great stuff Rhino. And completely agree on all, particularly that after Midway the ultimate win was a no brainer, but then that was even more reason to concentrate on Europe. Allies for sure, but both FDR and Churchill didn’t exactly trust Stalin.
you know the US tested a US carrier to check its survivability against a underwater nuclear bomb.I believe the carrier was the uss enterprise. The early 1920’s aircraft carrier survived with only minor damage.
As long as they were punished I’m happy
I don;t need the punishment to be crazy
I just need it to say – you got caught and we took action
Weeeeeee, all the AFC East teams in their division still play them twice with Brady except the Bills, only once.
Further proof he’s a Patriots fan…SMH
Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
In my humble opinion, Tom Brady’s punishment seems fair. But I don’t think New England should have lost a 1st rd pick. However, who cares.
He’s totally a bandwagon fan.
I CALL BS!
Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero
NFL says it weighed Spygate history, lack of cooperation with investigation, lack of full candor by Brady others, in determining discipline.
The yr they went undefeated in the regular season they were spying on teams and deflating the balls. Wonder what the NFL is going to say when the cheats touch to fumble ratio goes way up to 32:1. Weeelll if cry brady was playing, blah, blah, blah.
4 games??? wtf?
ok… didn’t see the draft pick and one million dollars… THAT says “cheaters” sufficiently I think:
basically little tommy telling roger what to do and roger does it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP8RB7UZHKI
i know most dont pull for injuries, but i do hope tammy’s first game back he gets crippled
I’ll make you feel better and cheer for an entire plane crash. 🙂
dont forget guys, he still will appeal the suspension and it will be just turned into two games
rhino
i didnt want to say a plane crash cause then jahn would tell me i a beating the same ole dead horse.
Pats fans are screaming the same old ‘narratives’ that have been debunked repeatedly … they might not want to cherry pick their sources so obviously.
Rhino says:
May 11, 2015 at 6:46 pm
ok… didn’t see the draft pick and one million dollars… THAT says “cheaters” sufficiently I think:
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WTF? You think Kraft gives a shit about $1M???
Hell, any billionaire owner in the NFL would gladly fork over more than $1M to get a SuperBowl ring. 😯
Rob,
You were saying the other day that he wouldn’t get anything! IMO, I think that this suspension sticks.
Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
I know all Patriots haters are excited about Tom Brady’s suspension, BUT Jimmy Garoppolo is no pigeon. He can play.
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That’s odd, a guy with not 1 NFL start, and yet Tannehill with 3 seasons can’t….LMAO.
“rhino
i didnt want to say a plane crash cause then jahn would tell me i a beating the same ole dead horse.”
3 times in 12 hours. Who’d have thought a very common metaphor would throw you into such an imbecilic logic loop. LOL…
Andrew Abramson ✔ @AbramsonPBP
Bill Belichick will be so motivated this season. Remember in 2007 when he was coming off Spygate penalties? 18-1
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Yeah Andrew, that’s when he started deflating balls….SMH!
Actually, the cheats got caught in spygate in 2008, that’s the yr we took Jake 1st overall, and had the 32nd pick (1st pick in the 2nd, cheats lost their 1st) Phillip Merling.
Adam Beasley @AdamHBeasley 3m3 minutes ago
Can confirm @InsideTheLeague report that Dolphins have parted ways with college scouts Brad Forsyth and Marcus Hendrickson. Hired in August.
Must have been the lazy scouting report on Phillips 😀
I think the penalty to Brady is about what I thought he’d get, and the fine for the team is the largest in NFL history, and losing a 1st round draft pick is extremely punitive. If you were hoping for more than all that, you had unrealistic expectations to start with. Troy Vincent wasn’t acting as a former Dolphin when he handed down the punishment. LOL…
Also, losing a 4th rounder kinda sucks to boot.
I agree with what this guy said.
Tim Knight says:
May 11, 2015 at 5:45 pm
We’ll see how he pans out. We’re talking about a player who didn’t play at all as a rookie and played mostly RT last year, not LG. He also had most of troubles against elite players, not unknown guys.
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I don’t know about most Tim, but he did grade out as one of the worst offensive lineman in the entire league last season. True, stats don’t tell the whole story, but they do count for something. I saw his get completely manhandled on quite a few occassions, and that isn’t a good sign in my book.
His grade at RT means nothing, he’s playing LG. At Tenn. he sucked playing tackle and looked good playing guard. I still think he sucks, but you can’t compare the 2 positions like you did.
Lol @ “I still think he sucks”! The bottom line is he can only be judged where he has played, and he sucked while playing there.
Brian in NY says:
May 11, 2015 at 7:04 pm
Rob,
You were saying the other day that he wouldn’t get anything! IMO, I think that this suspension sticks.
brian, i am shocked that he did get anything that is for sure. but it wont matter, they will get every call imaginable for four weeks to give them a fighting chance
besides the bottom line is the league likes to say protect the shield. someone cheating is way way worse then pot or a ped and all he got was the same as a first time offensive. like getterdone just said, every player and owner in the league will trade a 4 game suspension for a super bowl
That’s the rub. I wish that they would have lost, but we’ll take what we can get at this point. The biggest thing was he didn’t come clean, and he basically slapped the NFL in the face when he did that.
they will get every call imaginable for four weeks…So business as usual?
Hopefully the Pats go 1-3 to open the season. That would be a tough hole to dig out of.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 2h2 hours ago
NFL’s side, its statement and Troy Vincent’s letter to Patriots and Tom Brady:
“The New England Patriots were… http://fb.me/3dDdu4db2
jahndoh says:
May 11, 2015 at 7:06 pm
3 times in 12 hours. Who’d have thought a very common metaphor would throw you into such an imbecilic logic loop. LOL…
lol, like you think it will go away that easy………….GOD. what next, you think i will stop making fun of mr hand.
I think the penalty is right on the money and I don’t see Brady winning an appeal and getting a reduction. What new evidence will he bring to light?
The Pets organization get’s penalized with the loss of picks and cash.
Brady gets 4 games as a first time offender.
Sounds right to me. In my opinion the only thing that is inconsistent is Belicheat being exonerated. Payton got suspended for a year while being told “ignorance is no excuse”. I feel Belicheat should have gotten at least a slap on the wrist in the interest of consistency but overall I think the NFL doled out punishment appropriately.
lol at “get’s”
bri
right, he hid evidence and basically was told. now go to your room till dinner. this by no way is any deterrent for any player to cheat. it goes without saying if this was any other player he would have been given a years suspension of even life time ban.
Payton got suspended for a year while being told “ignorance is no excuse”. I feel Belicheat should have gotten at least a slap on the wrist in the interest of consistency but overall I think the NFL doled out punishment appropriately.
yeah but that is cause payton never invites roger down to N.O. for some crawfish and cock…..tails
Rhino—-Here’s something you will find interesting concerning ww2.Fast forward 50 years and you think atomic bombs can take down a USS aircraft carrier
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-17/uss-independence-wwii-aircraft-carrier-found-in-pacific/6400012
Brian in NY says:
May 11, 2015 at 7:18 pm
Hopefully the Pats go 1-3 to open the season. That would be a tough hole to dig out of.
if they do, willing to bet when cheater boy gets back they go 12-0 or 11-1.
As much as I & we bag on Omar, this is pretty cool with him and uber driver AJ Francis…lol
A.J. Francis ✔ @AJFrancis410
#HaveDrive Episode 3 – “Gimme A Sprite” featuring @OmarKelly is the best one yet IMO http://youtu.be/m3XptnOycNA
“Your actions as set forth in the report clearly constitute conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the game of professional football. The integrity of the game is of paramount importance to everyone in our league, and requires unshakable commitment to fairness and compliance with the playing rules. Each player, no matter how accomplished and otherwise respected, has an obligation to comply with the rules and must be held accountable for his actions when those rules are violated and the public’s confidence in the game is called into question.”
really troy, fucking really? so i get this straight, the integrity of the game is a 4 game suspension. so guess ‘your’ game really doesnt care that much about cheaters.
Troy didn’t set the penalties….just wrote the letter.
ROB; See my response down the page!! –OFF WITH HIS NUTS!!!
James Walker @JamesWalkerNFL 2m2 minutes ago
The #Dolphins’ first six games are against non-playoff teams in 2014. It would be wise to get off to a fast start during Brady’s suspension.
Lol, that’s gold, James, but let’s play it savvy instead and start really shitty, then after starting 1-5 we’ll pull out the aces and surprise them! 🙂
Genius….it would be wise to get off to a fast start for any team….lol
My man today…he didn’t have to say it as strong as he did.
http://www.trbimg.com/img-5369af4a/turbine/sfl-photos-miami-dolphins-first-round-picks-20-025
GREAT WORK, DR. RHINO, truly a superb effort!!
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BELIEVE it or not, about a half hour before I left work today (I left at 4:30), I wrote down on a piece of scrap paper my prediction on the Patriot’s punishment. –My co-worker, Ryan, who Young Stanger has met, still has my sheet. To wit I predicted: $1 million fine for the Pats; Loss of next year’s 1st round pick in the draft; and a 5-game suspension for Tom-Lady. SOO-O I was 1 year off on the suspension AND I did not include the loss of PICK#4 in 2017. SOO-O New England got off easy, in MY view!! TOTALLY AGREE with FFR that this is NO DETERRENT for Brady, the Pats, or any other organization if and when they want to cheat!! The only thing it DOES put squarely on the table is the issue of whether or not Belicheat and Tom-Lady get inducted into the Hall of Fame. NOT ONLY DO I VOTE “NO!” – – I VOTE “HELL, NO!!” And thumbs up to the Don of Miami for calling a “Belicheat” a “Belicheat!”
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NOW, if Goodell REALLY wanted to deter this behavior, he should have done the FOLLOWING:
#1) BAN Brady for 1 full year with the stipulation that another violation would bring a LIFETIME BAN!!
#2) Fine the Pats $20 Million this year AND LOWER THEIR SALARY CAP $20 MILLION BELOW THE LEAGUE’S SALARY CAP FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS!!
#3) Ban those locker room “deflators” from the NFL FOR LIFE!!
#4) Ban Brady from future ballots into the Pro Football Hall of Fame!!
#5) Officially warn BOTH Belicheat and Robert Krap that ONE MORE VIOLATION will result in a Lifetime ban from the NFL for either/both of them!! After this incident, I truly hope that Football’s Hall of Fame voters will give Belicheat the “Barry Bonds Treatment” by NOT voting for him in droves.
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WHAT SAY YE, board members?? –Would the Old Dolfan’s punishment deter the Pats and other teams in any way??
Good call OD. And agree they got off easy, even if about as expected.
And far as I’m concerned the ISIS treatment for the Pats is always the way to go…….even if no rules violations are being investigated. 🙂
OD
Your punishment is probably a bit to harsh
I think suspending Brady is fine by itself as a deterrent
4 games is probably a little light considering the obstruction of the in investigation
But the way the cheats legacy is viewed has nothing to do with the commish
You get 4 games for smoking weed off field….LOL
PIGGY; AS RICHARD NIXON might have said, “the cover-up, or lack of cooperation with investigators, is ALWAYS worse than the initial crime!” Brady’s REFUSAL TO COOPERATE, by itself, should have drawn a 1 year suspension. SO I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE with a licensed barrister (that be “U”) on the issue of his punishment being too harsh. I believe his “punishment” has little/no deterrent value.–MY 5-point plan, on the other hand, certainly would give this outlaw franchise pause to reflect, don’t you agree??
Andrew Abramson ✔ @AbramsonPBP
Updated Vegas odds (Bovada) has #Patriots 12-1 to win Super Bowl; #Dolphins, #Bills & #Jets all at 33-1
GIVE ME DA’ Fins at 33-1!!
stangerx says:
May 11, 2015 at 7:49 pm
Troy didn’t set the penalties….just wrote the letter.
exactly. so why write the letter with that intent when he was barely punished.
i bet jerry jones is having a conference call right this second jason and tony telling them, did you see that punishment. i pay the person who refills my toilet paper holders a million bucks. get the hell out there and start cheating
TONY SAYS “Actually, Jerry, you’re WRONG on the toilet paper stuff! The guy is making $8 million a year and his name is La’el Collins!!”
I really didn’t know what would happen, but as I stated earlier, I didn’t take this as.. hard as many seemed to. My feeling has been that they are all (teams, players, orgs) looking for an edge, and the pats seem to be so arrogant that they don’t put in a better effort to hide their tricks. They got caught, pay the penalty and move on.
getterdone says:
May 11, 2015 at 8:04 pm
You get 4 games for smoking weed off field….LOL
you get a year for abuse. something of which has nothing to do with the integrity of the game but rather the scum bag doing the abuse. dont get me wrong, i think those scum bags should be kicked out of the league. i am not comparing the offenses just which one effects the ‘integrity’ of the league more
4 games is a little light. I predicted 6. But next years 1st rounder, and a 2017 4th rounder IS a substantial penalty since I really don’t think Belichick is a very good drafter, and trying to build this team for a post Brady run (when you’re QB is 36 that’s what your task is) without those picks could be very damaging.
I’d rather have them lost the draft compensation than for Brady to get 2 more games. If it was for 4 more games? Tough call.
I applaud OD’s ideals on the matter, but I just don’t think they are going to get the Barry Bonds treatment when it comes to the HOF. Not that I wouldn’t love to see it.
Right now, Jahn, I agree with you on Brady. He’ll likely get in UNLESS he has another similar violation or smokes weed with his wife after sex.
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However, Belicheat is another issue. He’s already despised by every Dolphin member of the HOF. –And given his disdain for the rules, he’s actually likely to commit several more violations. Sooner or later, he may get caught, again!
jahn
you said it in your post. ‘ I really don’t think Belichick is a very good drafter’ i agree with that, yet they still always have a winning record…..hmmmmmm wonder why that is? couldnt have anything to do with the amount of calls they get. and more to your point, if he sucks at drafting taking away a draft pick is no big deal.
besides, i think when cheaty retires so will belicheat.
hold on a seco…….oh never mind, i thought i saw the horse moving but it isnt, it is still dead.
The bottom line is regardless of the suspension Brady got and the penalties the Pats got, the champs are tarnished in the minds of many and that will never go away. The NFL has to be pissed off by that because fans at road games are going to torment them and remind them of it every time and the league is going to hate it.
For me as a fan their legacy is shit and not that it matters to most but they will always have a “yeah but” attached too their history. Way to go Cheatriots and oh yeah, fuck you!
Brady’s agent is already sayi he will appeal
I would be upset if the appeal is reduced
It may have been better to to make it a season or half a season
If it’s 2 games and he is back that is bs
I don’t care about the fine or the draft picks
The evidence points to Brady’s accountability
And I think the punishment needs to be about him
https://twitter.com/b_uhl/status/597920158682865664
We signed OT Donald Hawkins off of Waivers from the Cowboys and cut Mark Asper. My guess is Hawkins will be looked at as a guard. This is a low level move for sure but you never know if a guy finds a spot at the right time, with the right team and scheme.
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damn it. That’s a great Brady meme…see if I can find it anywhere else.
You see all the jokes and graphics out there. That’s going to piss the NFL off more and more as this goes on. If they lessen Brady’s suspension they might as well have done anything at all because what does that mean? Okay he cheated and got 4 games, then appealed and got 2 games because he still cheated but whined about it? Makes no sense.
Ken: “Churchill to Washington right after Pearl Harbor and he developed a Euro-centric strategy on the war that the first priority was the defeat of Germany. He was able to get a commitment from FDR to focus on Germany first. This did not set well with the U.S. Navy who wanted to go after Japan. However, resources were shifted primarily to the Atlantic and the first priority was to protect access to mideast oil. That was the premise behind operation Torch and the landings in North Africa in November of 1942.”
What else would Churchill promote except a Euro-centric strategy… FDR gave a commitment because we needed help in the Pacific as well. That’s part of the negotiations. This was diplomacy, but American-centric behavior was Pacific first. Yes, resources can be shifted, but “significant” resources did not happen until after the Pacific strategy was in play. “Resources were shifted primarily to the Atlantic” is not accurate [focusing on the word ‘primarily’]. The Pacific and Europe were different types of warfare.
Mideast oil was not as important to the U.S. in 1942-45 as it is today. At the time the U.S. was essentially the “Saudia Arabia” until the late 1950’s where we transitioned to an importer permanently by 1973. The concern with mideast oil had more to do with keeping it out of the hands of the soviets (thus, the whole Iran Crisis and the Shah in 1946.
But the ‘resources’ committed were significantly greater in the Pacific until ’43 and ’44. Actions vs words. 🙂
Tim Semisch- Northern Illionis
His QB doesn’t think much of him, or doesn’t know how to read a D. He’s open a lot and doesn’t get the ball. I’d have no problem with him being our 4th TE to be used on short yardage and goal line situations. He could be a decoy for a double team if nothing else. He seems athletic.
JAHN; HOPE you saw my reply to your “Barry Bonds Treatment” comment up the page. –I do NOT believe “Belicheat” is a slam dunk to get into Canton, unless he does what I did: BUY A TICKET!!
Tommy won’t serve more than two games. I’m sure that was the plan all along, the appeal verdict is already fixed. Goodell’s striped goons can easily carry Garrapopuss to a couple of sloppy wins. Goodell will force some schlub team to trade their 2016 first rounder to the Cheats for an aging vet. Kraft burns a million bucks as bait for twenty something airhead strumpets. So basically the Cheatriots “punishment was a 2017 4th round pick. …That’ll show ’em …lol
Highlights of Texas OT Donald Hawkins
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We sit down with rookie LB Jeff Luc.
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CAN’T WAIT TO SEE HOW SNL handles this one!!! –Maybe GOODELL gets a roll in the hay with Giselle??
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Read the comments…lol
Without hazzarding an opinion one way or the other on his eligibility/electability, Belichick will be voted into the hall of fame first ballot as things stand now.
Hazarding^^^^^
btw… all the WW2 talk is to foreshadow Kraft vs Goodell. LOL
I appreciate the conversation. I enjoy history and certainly don’t know everything! I’ve actually been strongly considering a teaching degree and thinking about history as the class I would enjoy teaching the most.
Fans of opposing teams who host the Pats this year should ban together and make it so annoying and embarrassing for the Pats when they play there that it makes them go mad. Come on, we can do this. LOL
If I can get a ticket to the Cheats game at the Giants Nov. 15 from my Brother-in-law I’ll help lead that charge. 🙂
“Brady’s agent is already sayi he will appeal
I would be upset if the appeal is reduced
It may have been better to to make it a season or half a season
If it’s 2 games and he is back that is bs
I don’t care about the fine or the draft picks
The evidence points to Brady’s accountability
And I think the punishment needs to be about him”
As you know I had said I thought it WOULD be all about Brady, but in the end, I’m elated that the Patriots as an organization got punished. 3 of their employees were found to have been involved in cheating, and the team has already been part of the biggest cheating scandal in NFL history. It has to be at least considered. It constitutes a prior when the charge is tarnishing the shield, and I think that’s how Vincent justifies it in his letter.
Teddi Bruschi had his nose up Tom’s butt… brought in Ryan Clark who went on a rant about Patriots reputation for doing whatever to win… ripping them. Bruschi had to stand there and bite his tongue. Funny as hell.
Jahn, not sure how effective an appeal would be. Appeal to who? The guy who passed the punishment? I think this is why Goodell was not ‘quoted’. He knows he will have to handle the appeal.
https://twitter.com/kweston83/status/596798384360402945
lmao… gonna steal this one for FB
LMAO!!!!
Belichick knew nothing ever about any of this. Teflon Don!
Giselle likes Tommy’s ball softer so she can gargle them easier. She finds it much easier than those hard gob stopping jawbreakers. LOL
Right now, Jahn, I agree with you on Brady. He’ll likely get in UNLESS he has another similar violation or smokes weed with his wife after sex.
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However, Belicheat is another issue. He’s already despised by every Dolphin member of the HOF. –And given his disdain for the rules, he’s actually likely to commit several more violations. Sooner or later, he may get caught, again!
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OD, I guess we’ll have to see, but I am kinda of guessing based on what I think the media thinks of him. He’s got a lot of sycophants in the media, and they constitute a fair chunk of the voter base.
In regards to your Brady rationale. LOL…I might actually vote for him myself if I found out he got busted for smoking weed after getting it on with Lauren!
Donald Hawkins’ Road to the NFL
Semisch is a pretty good blocker, he looked like the best Olineman on his team.