Here are some excerpts from the statement the NFL released yesterday:

The New England Patriots were notified today of the following discipline that has been imposed for violations of the NFL Policy on Integrity of the Game and Enforcement of Competitive Rules relating to the use of under-inflated footballs in the AFC Championship Game of this past season:

PiggyWeeeeeeat Brady

For the violation of the playing rules and the failure to cooperate in the subsequent investigation, the New England Patriots are fined $1 million and will forfeit the club’s first-round selection in the 2016 NFL Draft and the club’s fourth-round selection in the 2017 NFL Draft. If the Patriots have more than one selection in either of these rounds, the earlier selection shall be forfeited. The club may not trade or otherwise encumber these selections.

BradyDartsQuarterback Tom Brady will be suspended without pay for the first four games of the 2015 regular season for conduct detrimental to the integrity of the NFL. Brady may participate in all off-season, training camp and pre-season activities, including preseason games.

Commissioner Goodell authorized the discipline that was imposed by NFL Executive President Troy Vincent, pursuant to the commissioner’s disciplinary authority under the NFL Constitution and Bylaws and the Collective Bargaining Agreement with the NFL Players Association.

Former Dolphins and current Vice President of Football Operations Troy Vincent poured on the glory that some are calling punishment.  He stated:


Here, there are several factors that merit strong consideration in assessing discipline. The first is the club’s prior record. In 2007 the club and several individuals were sanctioned for videotaping signals of opposing defensive coaches in violation of the Constitution and Bylaws. Under the Integrity of the Game Policy, this prior violation of competitive rules was properly considered in determining the discipline in this case.


Vincent Continued: Another important consideration identified in the Policy is ‘the extent to which the club and relevant individuals cooperated with the investigation.’

CheatsHelmetThe Wells report identifies two significant failures in this respect. The first involves the refusal by the club’s attorneys to make Mr. McNally available for an additional interview, despite numerous requests by Mr. Wells and a cautionary note in writing of the club’s obligation to cooperate in the investigation. The second was the failure of Tom Brady to produce any electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information. Although we do not hold the club directly responsible for Mr. Brady’s refusal to cooperate, it remains significant that the quarterback of the team failed to cooperate fully with the investigation.

Finally, it is significant that key witnesses — Mr. Brady, Mr. Jastremski, and Mr. McNally — were not fully candid during the investigation.


It does not get much better than this in the offseason.  


Over the next few weeks you will see talking heads like Heath Evans and Teddy Bruschi try to defend Tom Brady.  You will see Cheatriots fans rationalize absurd scenarios where “Tawmy Brady” is “Gawdlike” and was too busy saving a baby from a burning building to cooperate with the investigation.  Enjoy watching everyone scramble to defend a cheater.  But remember, he is no less a cheater.


There will be an appeal.  Brady’s camp will insist the NFL is wrong and there is no evidence submitted.  People will get excited about Jimmy Garoppolo.  Talking heads will say remember 2007 when the Cheats when undefeated until the Super Bowl. Expect the “Bill Bellicheat will have this team ready” one liners.  Bob Kraft is probably already plotting to accuse world leaders of conspiring against the Cheatriots.

Blah Blah Blah.  Who cares.  Enjoy this result.  We’ve known about these cheats for years, we knew it was going to come out eventually, we know its probably worse than just deflating footballs…my prediction, this is just the start.


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  1. Brian in NY says:

    LMAO! Nice job Piggy! These bastards finally got what they deserved.

  2. dcoralsprings says:

    Gotta love it

    1) 4 games
    His phone must hold something juicy, appeal what ? The refusal alone should bring 4 games
    2) $1,000,000
    Just enough zeros to piss off a rich guy
    3) 1st round pick
    A beautiful silhouette on the side of a milk carton
    4) 4th round pick
    A little icing on the cake

    NFL stood up and got it right this time

    Piggy may very well be right, this may not be over

  3. Try Pod says:

    Ok, devil’s advocate- this works out to patriots advantage. Brady will be 37 y/o, this will be less wear and tear during the season, improving their chances to to be there at the end of the season. Again, I don’t really care about any of this, as the reaction by the rest of the league and fans seems rather pious and disingenuous; the only reason it happened is because they got caught.

  4. New Age says:

    Happy but wish it had been more. Great article Piggy!!!

  5. son of a son of a shula says:

    Rhino, great stuff yesterday. I remember those days well also, waiting for the paper to see who we picked. Remember “plan B” free agents? I used to love seeing who we got there too.
    Thanks for the story.

    Piggs, once again just great work.

    I’ve been busy but trying to get on here, the wedding went beautifully. It was so much fun and everyone had a great time. My little girl is all grown up now.

  6. Mike E. says:

    Love it Piggy! This is what it’s all about. Getting caught red handed, whether the deflated balls gave them a huge advantage or not. I’m so tired of people pointing out the fact that it makes no difference. Who gives a fuck! It’s against the rules, and if it doesn’t make a difference, why go through the trouble of DOING it in the first place. None of these empty head radio or tv personalities can explain THAT!. The punishment is just, and the lack of cooperation from this arrogant organiztaion is damning. WTG Troy, off with their heads!

  7. getterdone says:
  8. Mike E. says:


    The only way this works to the Patriots advantage is if Garappolo is the new Tom Brady taking over for Drew Bledsoe.

    • jetsssuck says:

      Garappolo is good.He was drafted to replace Brady now they will see if he is capable of being that replacement. Remember last year they let the 2nd string QB walk or traded him. When Brady got hurt several years ago for the season they traded their 2nd string qb for a 1st rounder.

  9. Mike E. says:


    Yeah, but I never thought all that much of Ryan Mallett, and I don’t believe they did either

  10. wyoming85 says:

    Miami Dolphins ‏@MiamiDolphins · 9m9 minutes ago
    “I grew up a Miami fan.”

    Jeff Luc:

  11. The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t think the punishment is that bad at the end of the day

    If the cheats can start the season 2-2 they are in good shape for the rest of the year
    and they get a chance to see their young QB in action in Sept

    the fine and the 4th round pick is nothing – a 4th round pick in 2017 can be easily returned to them – that draft is 2 years from now

    the 1st round pick next year is the biggest headache for the cheats
    but the league through them a bone, by releasing the wells report after the draft
    if the wells report was released two weeks ago, Malcolm Brown would not be a patriot right now

    If Brady just would have admitted the cheating after it occurred and Brady would have just been frank and said I just like less air in my footballs but didn’t think I was violating the rules – then he punishment may have been less but Brady might have been suspended for the super bowl.

    the timing of the whole thing is advantageous to the cheats

    if they just would have been up front about it we probably would not have needed the wells report.

  12. wyoming85 says:

    12-4 ‏@FinzTaint · 2h2 hours ago
    This is a local paper. Miami Herald would’ve blamed Philbin. Sentinel would’ve blamed Tannehill.

    • Mike E. says:

      Have to admit, you’re 100% right Wyo. Dolphins would be torn to pieces by the local papers. Winning gets you a lot more respect. If we had been a winning franchise the last decade or so, I think the writers of the local papers would be closer to what you see in the Boston paper

  13. Mike E. says:

    jetssuck – I don’t think the Patriots thought that much of Cassel either. What has either QB done since they’ve been gone?

    • jetsssuck says:

      I believe the pats got 1st rounder for him…He was starter for KC several years and he played pretty good. We will see him with Buffalo this season because they traded for him

      • Mike E. says:

        The Chiefs traded for Alex Smith with Cassel on the team. He was 4-11 his first season, and then 10-5, 4-5, 1-7, and then the Chiefs traded for Alex Smith. He didn’t fare any better in MIN. NE always getsvalue for the guys they discard, that comes with winning.

  14. getterdone says:

    Looks like Philbin is finally getting all high character players. Go Phins!

    Cedric Thompson Jr.™ @cedjunior2
    I’m so ready to contribute man! #finsup !

  15. Rhino says:

    The denial by Patriots fans, from outside perspectives, is truly delusional. This narrative that there was no evidence ….

    can the lawyers on the blog clarify the legal context of the phrase: “it is more probable than not”… because I’ve talked to my wife’s cousin who has been practicing law for quite some time and she said that that phrase means there is enough circumstantial evidence to ‘prove’ guilt.

    But Pats fans think the word ‘probable’ is colloquial… like “she was probably drunk, that’s why she went home with you” lol

  16. Try Pod says:

    Mike E,
    I really don’t think this affects them much, if it all. It is not unreasonable to think they could split the first four games, assuming Brady sits for all four. the loss of a first, while painful, is not horrible because they stockpile so many picks and could theoretically move back into the first by packaging some picks. They are also likely to pick in the last 1/3 to 1/4 of the draft, so it’s like giving up a high second (potentially). A $1,000,000 sucks, but again, they can absorb that, particularly since they won’t be paying a first round pick the following year (saving several million, in fact).
    Legacy is affected, perception is affected, but I don’t know how it changes the product on the field.

  17. Rhino says:

    Also, Pats fans and newspapers are protecting what they perceive as their teams 15+ year ‘legacy’. Fans the last few days are STILL trying to trivialize Spygate as a non-issue.

    Saw the interview with a Pats fan saying “just forfeit the first four games, don’t even play… then come back and run the table to another Superbowl”…. ahem… arrogance?!

  18. getterdone says:

    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
    While I made an issue about Tannenbaum advocating for Jordan Phillips, he wouldn’t have done it if Hickey & staff didn’t have him rated No.1

    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
    Jordan Phillips was CLEARLY the top rated prospect on Miami’s board at pick No. 52. Tannenbaum didn’t put board together. Said “stick to it”

  19. Ken says:

    Just a quick drive by but had to say nice job Piggy. That’s right let’s celebrate. I don’t care if the suspension is meaningless, if it is overturned or if Graoppolo turns into the next Johnny Unitas it’s just good to see the Pats getting bashed.

  20. finfanrob says:

    Rhino says:
    May 12, 2015 at 10:07 am

    like “she was probably drunk, that’s why she went home with you” lol

    WTF dude. i didnt say shit to you, why you have to start dissing me…..oh wait you werent talking to me……never mind

  21. getterdone says:

    Even the Raiders aren’t signing his lame azz.

    A source tells KPRC-TV in Houston that D.J. Swearinger was waived because he refused to play special teams.
    KPRC-TV is not a typical outlet for breaking news, but this makes sense. Swearinger was always a hot head on and off the field, which made him a poor fit for the culture Bill Belichick disciple Bill O’Brien is trying to build. An unwillingness to help on special teams when you’re struggling as a safety is not acceptable for O’Brien.

  22. getterdone says:

    …another colossal waste of talent. Jordan, Gordon & Blackmon should all just hang out on the couch getting high all day….SMH

    According to multiple reports, suspended Jaguars WR Justin Blackmon did apply for reinstatement to the NFL this offseason, but was denied by the league.
    The Associated Press’ Mark Long reported Blackmon’s reinstatement attempt was denied, and the report has been “confirmed” by Mike Dempsey of 1010 XL in Jacksonville. The “feeling” is reportedly that Blackmon failed another drug test, though Dempsey suggests Blackmon also may have missed a test, which counts as a failed test in the NFL’s eyes. Either way, we’re not optimistic that Blackmon will be returning to the field anytime soon.

  23. Ken says:

    Swearinger probably doesn’t want to play STs because he knows there is a higher risk of injury. Oh the irony

  24. Mike E. says:

    Try – Agreed on ALL counts

    • Mike E. says:

      Also take into account the 3-4 compensatory picks they always get in every draft. I’m sure the NFL will make it up by giving them more 3rd RD compensatory picks instead of 5th RD.

      • Ken says:

        The NFL cannot just hand out compensatory picks. If the Pats are awarded compensatory picks that means they lost players that qualify. It would have happened if the punishment was imposed or not.

  25. Ken says:

    The Pats fans are delusional and are misconstruing the phrase “more probable than not”. That is the actual legal standard under the CBA that must the league must apply to discipline a player. The use of the phrase in the report is strategic because it was Wells’ way of saying the evidentiary/burden of proof standard has been met.

    Just to put in context more probable than not is the standard that applies in all civil cases. It is a preponderance of the evidence standard. It is by that standard that such cases as medical malpractice, personal injury, corporate fraud, racial discrimination, unfair employment practices, police misconduct and many other types of litigation are resolved by. Billions and billions of dollars are determined by the more probable than not standard. Only criminal litigation applies the beyond reasonable doubt standard.

  26. stangerx says:

    Awesome pics Pig — your are becoming a photoshop Rembrandt. Brady’s head on the platter was right out of South Park.

  27. Rhino says:

    Ken, thanks for the legal answer. It appears, then, that Pats fans can’t get Aaron Hernandez off their minds when reading, oops, when hearing what someone else read in the Wells report. 🙂

  28. jetsssuck says:

    2008——td-int ratio—21-11 2009—-1st yr in new system 16-16 2010 -2nd yr 27-7 completion percent increazed

    Career Stats—–Matt Casell
    -Year Passing Rushing Fumb.
    Year Team G Comp Att % Yds Y/G Y/A 300+ TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD 100+ Lost
    2005 NE 3 13 24 54.2 183 61.0 7.6 0 2 1 6 12 4.0 2.0 0 0 0
    2006 NE 6 5 8 62.5 32 5.3 4.0 0 0 0 2 4 .7 2.0 0 0 1
    2007 NE 6 4 7 57.1 38 6.3 5.4 0 0 1 4 12 2.0 3.0 1 0 0
    2008 NE 16 327 516 63.4 3693 230.8 7.2 3 21 11 74 271 16.9 3.7 2 0 4
    2009 KC 15 271 493 55.0 2924 194.9 5.9 1 16 16 51 189 12.6 3.7 0 0 3
    2010 KC 15 262 450 58.2 3116 207.7 6.9 2 27 7 33 125 8.3 3.8 0 0 1
    2011 KC 9 160 269 59.5 1713 190.3 6.4 0 10 9 25 99 11.0 4.0 0 0 2
    2012 KC 9 161 277 58.1 1796 199.6 6.5 1 6 12 27 145 16.1 5.4 1 0 7
    2013 MIN 9 153 254 60.2 1807 200.8 7.1 1 11 9 18 57 6.3 3.2 1 0 1
    2014 MIN 3 41 71 57.7 425 141.7 6.0 0 3 4 9 18 6.0 2.0 0 0 0

  29. getterdone says:

    Senator Harry ReidVerified account
    I find it stunning that the NFL cares more about how much air is in a football than it cares about a racist franchise name.
    Read the user comments that follow his tweet…I LOVE IT! LOL

  30. stangerx says:

    ” It was our intention to accept any discipline levied. Today’s punishment, however, far exceeded any reasonable expectation. It was based completely on circumstantial rather than hard or conclusive evidence.”

    Multiple choice:

    A) statement from the defense lawyer on the Hernandez verdict.
    B) statement by Robert Kraft on the deflategate punishment.

  31. Mike E. says:

    Ken – Do you think you can explain the exact formula for the compensatory picks? It’s hidden in a drawer in Goodell’s office.

  32. Ken says:

    In regards to compensatory picks the good news is we should be in position to get a couple for Clay and Odrick.

  33. finfanrob says:


    for pats fan ‘more probable then not’ is like asking them if they are taking a date to the prom. ‘of course i am more probable then not i am taking my sister’

  34. Rhino says:

    btw, Ken, thanks for the WW2 sources. I don’t read much military history, but I did watch the series “Victory at Sea”… it was cool to find out it was based on Morison’s work. I haven’t decided if I’ll buy a copy of The Admirals (but the 2012 publication certainly makes it more relevant than the 1970’s stuff I read in grad school LOL). I may have been splitting hairs too thin within football posts… between ‘intention’ and ‘decided policy’… here is how it was presented to me in a Foreign Diplomacy in Asia class (in 1990.. for complete transparency on my perspective lol): U.S. sees Japan as our enemy because they are the ones that attacked us… we want the Soviets to open a second front from the north… they had been pummeled by Germans for 6 months prior to Pearl Harbor and insist that a second front in Europe is the only way they would ever be able to join the war against Japan (a little revenge for 1904 while they are at it, and influence in Manchuria). The only way our primary objective of defeating Japan would be to open the second front in Europe, freeing the Soviets to help in the Pacific. Stalin made this promise in ’43 and again in ’45 (Tehran and Yalta I believe) always with the stipulation “only after the Germans are defeated”. Thus, OUR war was always Japan… the means to the end being diplomacy with the only two viable allies left, GB and USSR.

    For those reading our nerdy WW2 discussion… History 2 Channel had a great two part series on Germany 1919-1938 from homemade movies and diaries of German citizens. I usually get tired of the “nazi channel after 8 pm” but these were amazing due to the format. “Rise of the Third Reich” and “Fall of the Third Reich” (I believe) were the titles.

    • jetsssuck says:

      did u get the infoyesterday on the US atomic test on uss enterprise cv-6 where it came back undamaged.

    • Ken says:

      I take some exception to the presentation that was made to you. It was pretty clear after Churchill made his trip to Washington right after Pearl Harbor that our focus was on Germany. In terms of men and material commitment the European theater was by far where we applied more resources. That may have been different than the public perception but it was a long and constant build up to the Normandy invasion with a sustained commitment to the European theater. There was a constant dispute between the Navy and Army as to where to place resources with an unspoken rivalry between Marshall and King.

      Interesting, Japan and America shared more strategic interest in the Pacific than it had against each other. The Japanese were more concerned with Russia expanding into the Pacific, in particular into China, hence Japan’s occupation of portions of China. The U.S. was also very concerned about that but the problem was we didn’t want Japan to fill that void in place of Russia. I will have to give you the source for this. I think it was Gordon Prange who was an excellent scholar on WWII Japan.

      • Rhino says:

        conflict with Japan will emanate from control of the Philippines… it is in what Japan sees as their ‘sphere of influence’. By mid 1941 they had moved southward leaving a ‘horseshoe’ shape around the Philippines (lol) and Guam… not wanting to provoke. It was around this time that U.S. embargo’s were established … The Philippines was our prize when we entered the ‘race for Asian markets’ at the turn of the century.

  35. Mike E. says:


    Basically, the formula is the quality of the player lost, the new contract monetarily that they get from the new team, as opposed to the ones you pick up and the contracts you give them. There is a LOT of leeway for favoritism. We looked at this when the CP’s were announced. Keep in mind the Patriots picked up Revis for about $19M last season. They did let Wilfork go, but when we looked at what they let go, as compared to what they brought in, they seemed to do very well getting 3 compensatory picks, one in the 3rd.

    • stangerx says:

      Mike — I agree that there would room for manipulating the comp pick system since they don’t make the exact formula public, but I’m skeptical they do so. Goddell would know that some former employee would spill the beans at some point down the road.

      I think the Pats just know how to play the system, just like they play the draft from hoarding picks and upgrading in years to come. But nothing illegal about that… actually.

    • Ken says:

      I will defer to your knowledge but again compensatory picks have nothing to do with the punishment meted out in this case. It may happen but if it does it is because the Pats lost 3 prime FAs.

  36. getterdone says:

    This is what every road game crowd should do in their stadium!!!

  37. finfanrob says:

    ken and try

    my dad is a wwII and history channel buff. guess i got some of that from him. mostly i am just amazed at the sacrifices of that generation. i have read i think every book there is on the mini series band of brothers. basically the book itself and every book written by any member of the 101st.

    just finished up reading Unbroken and that was just another amazing story. the movie was ok but if you havent you should read the book.

    • Ken says:

      Band of Brothers was written by Stephen Ambrose who was excellent historian and the book was even the better than the mini series imo.

  38. Al in MIA says:

  39. Mike E. says:


    The Pats are very smart for trading out of the 1st and picking up picks every year. They’re also very wise on when to let an aging supserstar go, they have always gotten excellent compensation over the years for doing so. (not compensatory picks, but trades like Richard Seymour, Ty Law, etc etc.). On the other hand, I don’t trust Goodell and the Patriot pipeline, I just don’t.

  40. The Flying Pig says:


    More probably than not is not an evidentiary standard

    Preponderance of the Evidence
    And beyond a reasonable doubt are

    Generally only criminal cases apply beyond a reasonable doubt
    And that is bc jail is a serious penalty

    Troy Vincent mentioned preponderance of the evidence in his statement

    And that is the evidentiary standard that should be applied

    More likely than not is consistent with preponderance of the evidence

    Preponderance of the evidence simply means the evidences weighs heavier in one side of the other – so it’s the same idea

    You can doubt the results or come up with alternatives with that evidentiary standard
    But taken as a whole and looking at the evidence you decide that “Tom Brady must have known” even though there may be reasonable doubt

    This is not a criminal trial
    No one is going to jail

    The existence of facts leading the NFL to say Brady must have known is enough to punish Brady

    He continued mention by talking heads and cheats fans of the reliance on circumstantial evidence is annoying. You can say a lot of evidence is merely evidence. The only thing that matter is that if you look at the evidence presented, do you concludr Brady knew about it.

    Personally I think it’s hard not to draw that conclusion
    I didn’t even need the wells report to draw my conclusion
    Brady had something like 60 snaps in his hand. He knew the ball was not properly inflated – I think that is obvious

  41. Rhino says:

    the flow of memes is priceless. NFL fans tired of Cheatriots are unloading!!! lol

  42. Al in MIA says:

    The Goodell – Kraft relationship is reminiscent of Ireland – Sporano.
    When the pressure is on (owners and fans staring down Goodell), some people will do anything (fuck over family and friends) to save their ass or look good in the graces of their bosses

  43. Mike E. says:


    Is that because he (Kraft) finally got bitchslapped?

  44. Al in MIA says:

    The Pats are much like the Ravens in how they manage their picks and roster, however, unlike the Pats, the Ravens actually do well with their draft selections.

  45. Al in MIA says:

  46. Rhino says:

    Belicheat a “detail micromanager”… duh… that’s what successful criminals do… control variables. 🙂

  47. The Flying Pig says:

  48. getterdone says:

    OD, this is for you! 😉

  49. Ken says:

    Rhino says:
    May 12, 2015 at 11:35 am (Edit)

    conflict with Japan will emanate from control of the Philippines… it is in what Japan sees as their ‘sphere of influence’. By mid 1941 they had moved southward leaving a ‘horseshoe’ shape around the Philippines (lol) and Guam… not wanting to provoke. It was around this time that U.S. embargo’s were established … The Philippines was our prize when we entered the ‘race for Asian markets’ at the turn of the century.
    This was definitely part of the basis of the conflict. The Pan-Asiatic Sphere was Japan’s goal. The slogan was Asia for Asians but much of Japan’s concerns were directed to Russia but they were concerned about U.S. influence as well.

  50. Al in MIA says:

    Good response to Rhino and really in civil court, that is the standard as well it seems.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      In civil court you are just weighing the evidence

      There is no expectation that doubt cannot exist as to the results
      That is just criminal

      It’s a much lower threshold to be guilty/liable

  51. The Flying Pig says:

    May 12, 2015 at 11:45 am (Edit)
    More probable than not is in essence the same as the preponderance of the evidence. It’s just another way of saying the same thing.

    Agreed Ken
    I personally don’t use that term
    But I knew it was what Wells meant

    • Ken says:

      I think that term is the actual term used in the CBA. I heard some commentator say that the other day.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        That makes sense

        Anyone who says it’s not more likely than not that brady knew about it is simply lying to themselves

        Yeah – we do to really know
        But we know enough to says it’s very likely Brady knew

  52. Ken says:

    There was supposedly a very close relationship between Goodell and Kraft. Kraft was instrumental in Goodell becoming Commissioner. He was the primary proponent of Goodell amongst the owners. They have a common bond as they are members of the same collegiate fraternity.

    • Try Pod says:

      Perhaps you are correct- I just think the “special relationship” concept as has been presented by many was way overstated. I do not think preferential treatment took place. The other owners would not have allowed that.

  53. Al in MIA says:

    It always comes down to money when we speak of wars.
    As you alluded to, Europe was more financially important at the time (GDP output) than Japan and thus it made more sense to secure against this interest by stacking Europe vs Japan.
    Not to mention that logically it’s easier to defend the western coastline than the Eastern coastline.

  54. Ken says:

    Off to lunch and then court. I am out. Peace to you all.

  55. stangerx says:

    “Band of Brothers was written by Stephen Ambrose who was excellent historian and the book was even the better than the mini series imo.”

    Ken he makes history sing, and the book is one of my favorites. Have read a few others of his other works as well. Even had the pleasure of being at a talk he gave. He was a bit of a character, but a most interesting and brilliant one.

  56. jetsssuck says:

    Rhino this is for you—

    65 yrs later is it possible that Carriers of today would be able to withstand nuclear bombs and missiles.

  57. finfanrob says:


    i know this is rare, but i found the book Band of Brothers to be just as good as the mini series. I dont recall a thing in the book that wasnt in the series. now i will say this if you read Buck Compton’s book, he had a few different takes on some things. but he was pretty good about the discrepancies even if they were at his expense. he just basically said he didnt remember them happening like that and just moved on.

  58. dcoralsprings says:

    Compensatory speak
    Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.

    The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four. The 32 compensatory choices announced today will supplement the 224 choices in the seven rounds of the 2014 NFL Draft (May 8-10).

    Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.

    for what its worth lol, stil not clear

  59. Al in MIA says:

    Don’t take this the wrong way but I don’t see that WW2 generation participation as a great sacrifice but rather a situation in which they didn’t know any better. War is fucked up and the newer generations found it out through those who served in WW2 and subsequent battles and all images/video captured.

  60. Try Pod says:

    Patriots change their Twitter avi to Brady’s jersey- in essence saying, “we got your back”.

  61. Al in MIA says:

    There is a website out there that pretty much accurately forecasts compensatory picks with their own formula. It’s what you said, net value of FA lost/gained. If you re-sign someone you cut, that doesn’t count usually from what I understand.

  62. getterdone says:

    Ok, I’ll chime in on WWII.
    I’ve read/known of this before, but it usually encites long debate which I don’t care to get into. It’s past history.
    But here is an Interesting read/study on the events that lead up to, and after WWII.
    Definitely not the narrative that most of America was fed.

  63. finfanrob says:

    stangerx says:
    May 12, 2015 at 11:58 am

    Have read a few others of his other works as well.

    what ones? i sure wouldnt mind reading something you recommend of his

    • stangerx says:

      Undaunted Courage: Meriwether Lewis, Thomas Jefferson, and the Opening of the American West (you’d have to be interested in the subject matter……but it’s Ambrose), and

      Citizen Soldiers: The U.S. Army from the Normandy Beaches to the Bulge to the Surrender of Germany, June 7, 1944 – May 7, 1945. That one is same subject as Band of Bros with a bit larger view of things, but it weaves together the narrative via a bunch of people from different roles. So it isn’t as compelling as following one unit but still a real good read.

  64. wyoming85 says:

    Will BlackmonVerified account ‏@willblackmon
    For Goddell so loved the NFL he gave his one and only son… Roger 3:16

  65. finfanrob says:

    Al in MIA says:
    May 12, 2015 at 12:13 pm

    Don’t take this the wrong way but I don’t see that WW2 generation participation as a great sacrifice but rather a situation in which they didn’t know any better.

    totally agree with you. they didnt know any better. i had a client that was in pearl harbor. he said when he went into the military they didnt even have electricity at home. i get that now a days the amount of information available will never produce another generation like that one. where they amaze me is the life after the war. so many came home with problems both mental and physical but just found a way of getting on with their lives

  66. Al in MIA says:

    • Try Pod says:

      I don’t have 1/1000 of his money, but my yard IS bigger lol
      It’s a little understated, don’t you think? I don’t think Liberace would be caught dead in a place like that- well, now he might, but not when he was alive!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      that pool is huge

  67. Al in MIA says:


  68. finfanrob says:

    thanks stanger

  69. finfanrob says:


    is that tom standing by that truck letting the air out of the tires?

  70. The Flying Pig says:

  71. OD: Sorry I missed your call I’m at work and could not talk (it’s just past 10 am here). Will look for you tonight in the stands – hope Tampa beats Montreal!

  72. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I pretty sick of hearing about the stupid patriots. It seems like the NFL has been only about the pats for the last 5 months. I’m over it.

  73. Jahn: Congrats on the Warriors thrashing of the Grizzlies. I’m hoping for a Clippers-Warriors Western Conf. Finals — I’ll be at one of the games in L.A. if it’s both those teams. 🙂

    • jahndoh says:

      They knocked us out of the playoffs last year so I would look forward to revenge! That said, this one is far from over. The W’s live and die by their shooting and the 2 losses shows what can happen when they go cold. The good news for us W’s fans is that the Splash brothers seemed to shake off the cobwebs last night. Curry is freakin’ sick, but Thompson is a critical part of that team as is D Green.

      • You are right it is not over but last night was a much needed and huge win. That said, I am rooting for your boys and hope I get to see them live!!!

      • jahndoh says:

        We are happy to have your support too! You live here now. You can have a favorite team from the West too afaic!!!!

  74. stangerx says:

    Gigi (@Mrs2620) says:
    OD: Sorry I missed your call I’m at work and could not talk (it’s just past 10 am here). Will look for you tonight in the stands – hope Tampa beats Montreal!
    He called me too — Randy wants everyone to know he’ll be at the Tampa/Canadian day today. He’s going with one of his co-workers and both will be wearing Phins Jerseys.

    So if you are watching the game play “Where’s Randy” when they go to crowd shots.

  75. Rhino says:

    jetssuck: thanks for posting link (aircraft carrier) again… I’ll read it after work. 🙂

  76. finfanrob says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    May 12, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    that pool is huge

    you call it a pool, down south we just call that an outdoor bathroom

  77. finfanrob says:


    thanks for calling them the W’s. i dont want that fricken verse in my head again.

    • jahndoh says:

      LOL…saw that last night. The fact you thought it and wrote it, and I couldn’t stop singing it after I read it….well, lets just say we’re getting old. LOL..

  78. finfanrob says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    May 12, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    Are you suggesting that Giselle receives her golden showers there?

    i am pretty sure she isnt the one receiving them.

    • stangerx says:

      Now that would make for an interesting Pig photoshop art work…….sure wouldn’t be office friendly though.

  79. jahndoh says:

    So my daughter has had the nastiest cough I’ve ever heard for over a week. I haven’t slept and I’m starting to lose my mind!

    …which…is dangerous since I clearly have so little of it left.

    Son, congrats on your daughter’s wedding!

  80. finfanrob says:

    jahndoh says:
    May 12, 2015 at 2:16 pm

    Son, congrats on your daughter’s wedding!

    he let her marry a buc fan, ok ok ok i know she is an adult but still something like that i still think you should report a parent to child services.

  81. Mike E. says:


    Hope she feels better. I can actually empathize with you. My son at least once per year gets this awful cough that lasts about a week, and it’s really loud, like a bark. It wears on you, all the time while you also feel helpless not being able to help your child.

    I hope she feels better quick!

    • jahndoh says:

      Yep, you know exactly what I’m talking about. Thanks for the well-wishes. This is her typical M.O. when she gets sick, but it’s never been this bad before, or for this long. She has missed 6 of the last 7 days of school…we tried to send her yesterday, but she just wasn’t ready yet.

      On antibiotics now, so hopefully we can move past this thing. It strains mine and my wife’s relationship too because we’re both so damn grumpy from sleep deprivation!

  82. Mike E. says:

    Listening to “In the City” by the Eagles. I know at least 2 or 3 of you know what movie . . . .

  83. wyoming85 says:

    NFL Retweet ‏@NFLRT · 3h3 hours ago
    This 4 game suspension is the worst thing to happen to Tom Brady since Eli Manning

  84. finfanrob says:

    jahndoh says:
    May 12, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    ‘It strains mine and my wife’s relationship too because we’re both so damn grumpy from sleep deprivation!’

    sorry to hear that jahn, really am, if you didnt live on the other coast and cause i think so highly about you i would be a really nice guy and offer your wife a place to sleep.

  85. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Rob!

  86. Mike E. says:

    Try – Yeah man, you gots it!

  87. getterdone says:

    Deflategate investigator Ted Wells says the Patriots believed it was a “sting operation.”
    The theater of the absurd grows more melodramatic by the day. “(The) Patriots were all over me from Day 1 on why the NFL did not warn them of the complaint, and alleging it was a sting operation,” were Wells’ exact words. Both the Pats and Wells feel aggrieved, with Wells speaking out after Tom Brady’s agent questioned his impartiality. Wells also disclosed his investigation cost in the “millions.” Unfortunately, this scandal still has months to go.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      if the cheats just admit they were wrong or even they just made a mistake – there is nothing left

      but instead they question the league, the investigator and everyone who believes Tawmmy Brady is not perfect…

      They are making it a scandal

      Its going to be fun for all of us to watch

  88. wyoming85 says:

    Miami Dolphins ‏@MiamiDolphins · 3m3 minutes ago
    “I didn’t see one ball touch the ground.”

    Observations of @DevanteParker09:

  89. finfanrob says:

    “(The) Patriots were all over me from Day 1 on why the NFL did not warn them of the complaint, and alleging it was a sting operation,”

    so basically the pats and OJ were framed.

  90. wyoming85 says:

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly · 17m17 minutes ago
    “@muttman13: “» everyone keeps sending this one, BUT I don’t think it’s funny.

  91. Mike E. says:


    What’s worse is, other people feel the same thing. On NFL radio yesterday, some guest was on (probably a former Tom Brady ass-hamster) saying that if the NFL really cared about the integrity of the game, they would have checked the footballs before the Colts game to make sure everything was right so the game itself would have been played fairly. It’s just a load of shit. They can’t take the fact that they were BUSTED!!!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      they did check the balls before the game started
      They were fine when they were checked
      They all have the requisite PSI levels
      Then they were altered by patriots staff (we think)

      then they checked them again at halftime and the PSI levels were dramatically different, so the officials filled them with air at the half

      they also checked the colts footballs at half (4 of them) and found them all to be in compliance (despite what Heath Evans stated which is false), so nothing was done to the colts footballs

      A lot of people defending the cheats are claiming that the PSI changed based on natural ocurrances (the weather) but that is not really possible and in fact the Colts footballs did not deviate dramatically from where they started

      However the patriots footballs were measured at a significantly power PSI at halftime …guess why…

      Its all int he wells report

  92. BoulderPhinfan says:

    man derrick rose kid is one cute kid.

  93. stangerx says:

    “It was clear to me the investigators had limited understanding of professional football.”

    — Brady’s agent on Wells. It’s like a high school girl who just got caught in a lie going “whatever!” To end a conversation.

  94. Mike E. says:


    Everyone on NFL radio is trying to make it seem like the NFL was wrong for punishing the Patriots. It’s so sickening.

  95. The Flying Pig says:

    If you look at the report you can see page 68 of the report has a chart of the PSI readings
    the nfl threshold is 12.5 PSI
    Some of the Cheats PSI were measured 2 PSIs below that

    its not subtle
    PSI is pound per square inch BTW

    if the NFl requires around 13 PSIs in a football
    and a ball is 2 PSI’s below that threshold that is something close to 15% less than what the ball should be
    We are not talking about a slight deviation

    Put a 13 pound weight on you head
    take off 2 pounds and see if you can notice the difference

    You can see the 4 colts balls all measured in between 12.14 and 12.95 – and those are normal deviations

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Patriots chart – Page 68
      Colts chart – page 69

      I mean its a fucking chart
      its super easy to read and as clear as day

    • stangerx says:

      News break — “The Mayor of Boston, at the urging of Tom Brady and Robert Kraft, has announced that the Charles River will be renamed “Da’ Nile.”

  96. finfanrob says:

    am i the only one that every time i refresh the page and see that pic that thinks. why and the hell is jameis winston holding up a dolphins shirt

  97. finfanrob says:

    Mike E. says:
    May 12, 2015 at 3:52 pm


    Everyone on NFL radio is trying to make it seem like the NFL was wrong for punishing the Patriots. It’s so sickening.

    that’s ok mike. some people thing big foot, loch ness monster and blow jobs after ‘I Do’ exist in the real world too.

  98. finfanrob says:

    Mike E. says:
    May 12, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    YES, you’re the only one

    ok, whew……………….and oh yeah in that case all you fuckers are blind.

  99. jahndoh says:

    Mike E,

    I think Moving the chains went downhill after T-Rock left. Jim Miller is the most biased homer “analyst” (nearly choked as a typed that) ever. He is so far up Tom Brady’s ass that he can quite literally see things through Tom’s eyes and no other way.

    Pat has disappointed me too, but in truth, when callers bring good points to the table Pat addresses them with an open mind. The last few days Jim Miller is basically shouting down every caller who calls in and supports the punishment and painting them as though they don’t understand what they’re talking about. I thought about calling in, but I don’t really care to be shouted down and talked over by that prick.

  100. stangerx says:

    “At the end of the center tunnel on the left-hand side, approximately three feet from the doors that lead to the playing field, is a bathroom. McNally entered that bathroom with the game balls, locked the door, and remained in the bathroom with the game balls for approximately one minute and forty seconds. ”

    Couldn’t have been a one-seater. What dude locks the door of a multi-spotter?……and it wasn’t long enough for a dump.

  101. The Flying Pig says:

    There is no science to confirm that blowjobs after “I do” exist
    that is just a ridiculous thing to believe….

  102. The Flying Pig says:

  103. finfanrob says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    May 12, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    There is no science to confirm that blowjobs after “I do” exist
    that is just a ridiculous thing to believe….

    keep in mind you doubters, this is said by a pig trying to abolish the human race. he wants every one to believe this so you get married then end up with the only thing blown is your brains all over the place.

  104. finfanrob says:

    The Flying Pig says:

    May 12, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    There is no science to confirm that blowjobs after “I do” exist
    that is just a ridiculous thing to believe….

    ok piggy. how is this. i should have said ‘more probable then not’ that blowjobs after ‘i do’ DO NOT EXIST.

  105. The Flying Pig says:

    I’m just saying that the evidence is overwhelming ORob

    why do humans wear pants so often is blowjobs occur regularly?

    • stangerx says:

      I’d day it was good enough to prove just what they had to do………more likely than not. And that’s all Wells was concerned about. Still thinking Gisele’s boy toy made a major mistake by not cooperating. Wells didn’t want the phone, just the pertinent contacts. Figuring that is what pissed off Roger more than anything.

  106. finfanrob says:


    i misread what you meant at first. sorry. and you call m orob again and ….

  107. jetsssuck says:

    stangerx says:
    May 12, 2015 at 12:31 pm

    Undaunted Courage: Meriwether Lewis, Thomas Jefferson, and the Opening of the American West (you’d have to be interested in the subject matter……but it’s Ambrose), and

    Citizen Soldiers: The U.S. Army from the Normandy Beaches to the Bulge to the Surrender of Germany, June 7, 1944 – May 7, 1945
    I’ve been to Normandy beach it gives you chills up your spine. A lot of civil war sites up the US eastern coast that give me the same feelings

  108. Al in MIA says:

    Twitter is gold today LOL

  109. Al in MIA says:

    Boooo. I’ve been moderated again :/

  110. Al in MIA says:

    In other news, seems Bobby Bowden is chiming in LOL
    Benjamin Allbright retweeted
    SB Nation ‏@SBNation 28m28 minutes ago

    Bobby Bowden called Jameis Winston “an embarrassment” to Florida State:

  111. Tim Knight says:

    So what is everyone talking about? LOL

  112. jahndoh says:


    Thanks for the links to the Wells report. As I felt about his work with the Dolphins, I find it thorough and credible, and his findings are well reasoned.

    There are text messages between the two equipment handlers referencing Brady’s unhappiness with the balls in the Jets games where Brady acknowledges in his conversation with Jastremski (the co-worker of McNally (who was referred to by both himself and Jastremski as “the deflator”) that it must be “a lot of stress” for McNally. Brady in his interview with Wells denied even knowing who McNally was.

    The kicker from me was the text messages referencing needles. “I’m gonna give you a needle”,
    Jastremski: “Can‟t wait to give you your needle this week :)”
    McNally: “Fuck tom….make sure the pump is attached to the
    needle…..fuckin watermelons coming”

    A week later Friday before the Bears game:
    Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week
    McNally (the Deflator):Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks….or its a
    rugby sunday
    Deflator: Fuck tom
    McNally: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker
    Tom must really be working your balls hard this

    The next day (Saturday before the Bears game)
    Jastremski: Size 11?
    Jastremski: 2 or 3X?
    Deflator: Tom must really be on you
    Deflator: 11 0r 11half……2x unless its tight fitting
    Jastremski: Nah. Hasn‟t even mentioned it, figured u should get
    something since he gives u nothing

    Jastremski lied about how “He” was referencing in the above text. McNally admitted to Wells that he understood it to be a reference to Brady.

    My take:
    In the end, the fact that 3 members of the org at a minimum were behind the ball deflating scheme, means the Club penalties, IMHO, are well founded and appropriate. There is a reasonable expectation that the Patriots organization should be cultivating a culture of compliance and not failing to supervise it’s employees to the point that they could perpetuate an ongoing cheating scheme threatening the integrity of the game, the league and the Pats. I think Tom should have gotten 8 games at least though. He instigated the scheme, and he failed to fully cooperate with the investigators (as did the club).

    • Tim Knight says:

      And if the NFL cuts the suspension what does it say about them? They handed out a suspension and penalty and now you hear how it was too much and maybe it should be cut so everyone can get to a happy medium. WTF?

  113. Mike E. says:


    I wasn’t really killing guys like Kirwan or even Miller specifically, but I kinda get where they’re coming from. It’s bad for the game, period. That being said, the cheaters gotta pay, and I don’t want to hear anything to the contrary.

    • Mike E. says:

      In fact, while listening this morning, Bob Papa seemed to think the punishment was unfair. I didn’t hear enough from Solomon Wilcots to know how he felt either way, but Papa was definitely on the Patriots and Brady’s side.

    • jahndoh says:

      That’s fine, but I’M killing Jim Miller. His commentary has been an embarassment to me as a long time listener of a show that’s supposed to be about open minded learning and football intelligence. He played for the Pats during his career, and he’s a notorious homer. I’m very disappointed that Pat’s show took on someone who practices that sort of closed mindedness and talks over and down to callers.

      • Mike E. says:

        Gotcha. Understood. I don’t get to hear that duo often, only on Fridays, and I actually thought Kirwan was with Bil Lekets, didn’t even realize that was Miller. lol

  114. Al in MIA says:

    Matt Miller retweeted
    DJ Swearinger ‏@JungleBoi_Swagg 5m5 minutes ago

    S/o to @TBBuccaneers I appreciate the opportunity!! Let’s Be Great!!! Chance of a lifetime!!! I’ll cherish every moment!! #BUCSNATION
    Beware Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, & Cam Newton :/

  115. Al in MIA says:

    Ben Volin ‏@BenVolin 15m15 minutes ago

    Six of the top seven draft picks have signed — everyone but Mariota

  116. Mike E. says:

    Al – I approved your post. I was busy before, but it’s through now.

  117. jahndoh says:

    Mike E,

    That makes sense. They actually don’t work on most Fridays. Bill Lekis just airs the best segments/interviews from the other 4 days. I tend to listen in our afternoons which is evening time for you and probably explains why you don’t listen to that show as much. I don’t listen to the early shows as much and it’s been quite some time since I heard Papa and Wilcots (thank god on the latter, can’t stand that dude. Makes up vocabulary words to sound smart) as well.

  118. jahndoh says:


    I really don’t think the NFL is going to cut the suspension. It’s a minimum 1st offense suspension for other transgressions, and it’s an integrity of the game issue. I think if someone told me it was too harsh, I’d probably have told them it was only miraculous restraint on my part that prevented it from being an 8 game or full season suspension.

    Time will tell…

  119. Mike E. says:


    I usually listen between 7:30AM – 8AM T, TH, F, SAT, and then at about 9PM-9:30 T, TH, and then about 5 PM-5:30 on F.

  120. Al in MIA says:

    For those who have digested the Ted Wells press conference quotes only in pieces, here is the Boston Globe write up of the event.

    Ted Wells fires back at critics of his report on Deflategate

  121. Brian in NY says:

    I said the same thing regarding the suspension last night. The NFL isn’t happy with Brady for not cooperating in the investigation, and IMO the only way that gets reduced is if he turns over his phone, which he is not going to do because that could further incriminate him.

    • Tim Knight says:

      And how does cooperating and proving he’s guilty help him get the suspension cut? That’s what I don’t get.

      • Brian in NY says:

        It won’t now Tim, He probably would have received a lesser suspension if he would have been honest from the get go. That ship has sailed.

      • Mike E. says:

        I’ve heard that the Patriots (and Brady’s) lack of cooperation may have added to the penalties, but I don’t think anyone can accurately say that his suspension would have been less.

  122. getterdone says:

    The Patriots and their fans are up in arms at the NFL at the moment because of the penalties the league assessed as a result of their finding that the team likely tampered with footballs used in the AFC Championship game, but one of their AFC East rivals has no such gripe with the league right now.

    Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald reports that a spokesman for the league has confirmed that the NFL found the Dolphins did not violate rules against tampering with players on other teams before signing defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh as a free agent.

  123. herdfan says:

    I don’t get people who say, they would have won anyway so why does it matter. It matters because they wouldn’t have done it if it didn’t make a difference. Why is that so hard to understand? Also, who’s to say they would have made it to the championship game in the first place had they not been gaining an advantage in other games. I’ve seen it mentioned that the Raven’s also said they thought the balls were deflated in their game against them and the score was much closer in that game. No one will ever know how it would have played out had there been no unfair advantage. If Brady had nothing to do with it he would have had no problem handing over his phone and any other information to assist in the investigation. He didn’t. Actions of a guilty person who knew it would prove he cheated. Seems pretty simple to me.

    • getterdone says:

      Post of the day….thanks for finally showing up Herd! 🙂

    • Mike E. says:

      That’s how I feel as well Herd. All those who downplay whether it would have made a difference fail to answer why they did it in the first place. Keep saying it’s much ado about nothing, but they went through an awful lot of trouble to do “nothing”.

  124. steveccnv says:

    The only defense I see for cry brady is they used spygate against him, when it was the FO that was behind it and not him. In golf he wouldn’t been given a lifetime ban.

  125. steveccnv says:

    Mike E. says:

    May 12, 2015 at 5:46 pm


    I wasn’t really killing guys like Kirwan or even Miller specifically, but I kinda get where they’re coming from. It’s bad for the game, period. That being said, the cheaters gotta pay, and I don’t want to hear anything to the contrary.

    I don’t agree it’s bad for the game, everyone not a cheats fan is smiling, except maybe those that thought he should’ve gotten more. All the BS calls that the cheats have gotten forever, all the cheating they’ve done in the past might actually be catching up to them. Teams on top don’t get calls and other things their way forever, Steelers/Cowboys not included in this discussion.

  126. finfanrob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    May 12, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    And if the NFL cuts the suspension what does it say about them?

    with the more that comes out and the more the public sees i dont see how they can. i wont be shocked if they do. but with the more i read i dont know how he didnt get a year or a lifetime ban.

    hell repeated pot offenders can get a lifetime ban. and there is no way smoking pot helps a player. where as this fuck cheated. nothing he does has any credibility anymore and it even calls in the integrity of the league. but hey at least he didnt smoke pot for a 4th time.

  127. Rockphin says:

    It is the middle of May, and NFL teams will not hit the field for meaningful games for another almost four months. That does not mean teams are not better, or worse, than they were last year, given the completion of the NFL Draft and the majority of free agents having signed. How does the league stack up, at least on paper? USA Today posted their newest 2015 NFL Power Rankings yesterday to try to order the league.

    Before we get to where the Miami Dolphins landed on the list, we will run through the top ten, according to USA Today. In no surprise, the Seattle Seahawks are sitting on top of the board, with the GReen Bay Packers, Indianapolis Colts, Denver Broncos, and Baltimore Ravens finishing the top five teams. After the four-game suspension for Tom Brady, the New England Patriots are sixth, followed by the Carolina Panthers, Philadelphia Eagles, and Buffalo Bills. To round out the top ten, USA Today has the Miami Dolphins.

    Wait. What? The Dolphins are a top ten team?

    Yesterday, we took a look at Football Outsiders projecting the Dolphins to end the season with an 11-5 record – which, when they updated the standings for the Brady suspension, would make Miami the number one overall seed in the AFC – and now a top ten team in power rankings in May? People seem to be noticing that Miami is putting something together.

    That also means three of the four AFC East teams are currently in the top ten teams in the league (the New York Jets are 21st). Is the division really climbing back to being the toughest division in the league?

  128. Rockphin says:

    what what? Do I smell something?

  129. Mike E. says:

    I smell maple syrup. There was a guy in here before that works for Con Agra foods, reeked of maple syrup. Not a bad smell actually . . .

  130. Rockphin says:


    chirp chirp


  131. Rockphin says:

    Doh, just as I gave up and decided to do something else Mike posts. It was 20 mins of crickets before that. LOL Anyway off to shoot some pool since I went ahead and got dressed again. Nice to see the dolphins gaining a little respect finally (even if undeserved by any measurable means).

    Hello Mike!


    • Mike E. says:

      Hey Rock! It’s always nice to see the Dolphins getting respect, but what I’d really like is for them to get respect at the END of the season.

  132. finfanrob says:

    look at mike sniffing all the guys that come in trying to get stanger all jealous

  133. steveccnv says:

    The cheats won’t have a down yr, because she lady will be suspended, it will be, because the CBs aren’t Revis and Browner. Let’s see how she does with a blown ball.

  134. steveccnv says:

    I hate Rexie, although I think he’s a very good head coach, but this yr he’s going to be priceless, because his quotes are going to be flying, with that little smirk on his face, about the cheats.

  135. naplesfan2010 says:

    There are at least 3 bad mistakes in this depth chart.
    Is anybody here predicting Suh is a DE that will start in place of Vernon?
    And how did Bethel leap over Moore and Freeman at QB?
    No mention of a backup TE at all even with Sims having played well last year?
    And Jake Knott ahead of both Sheppard and Paysinger @ LB?

  136. getterdone says:

    I really pounded the table for Jeffro to sign this OG back in 2011 when he was a UFA at the end of his rookie deal. Looks like he kept being a top tier OG. Another stellar Iowa OL.
    We can only hope that our Douglas or someone else turns out to be close as good.

    The Ravens still hope to extend contract-year RG Marshal Yanda.
    LG Kelechi Osemele is also headed into the final year of his deal, and the Ravens didn’t address guard in the draft until the fifth round. Although he’s going on 31, Yanda graded out as Pro Football Focus’ No. 1 guard last season. Yanda has missed just two games over the past six years.

  137. D says:

    Only reason I even care something was done is because he and the team deserved it. Belichick deserved something too. His team has been behind two cheating scandals now and he has pretty much escaped both without personal punishment. The suspension is about what I expected for Brady the fact they hit the team with some extra was also deserved and fair. I don’t really care that its the patriots that were punished as I am happy they didn’t play favorites with them and for a change they were treated like any other team.

  138. Ken says:

    What’s up FMers? Too funny listening to NFL radio and all the woe is Brady complaints. Anyone who thinks Brady is innocent should read those texts and the fact that somebody goes by the nickname of The Deflator says it all. I mean really you think 2 equipment guys decided to deflate balls for shits and giggles.

  139. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    May 12, 2015 at 8:57 pm

    Wow I just realized I said FMers. I meant FUers. F me for that mistake.

    done did it now my little green man. stanger is prolly going to fine you and suspend you for a game or two

  140. naplesfan2010 says:

    Jim Kiick’s daughter is beginning to play better in women’s tennis. Only 19 but has won a couple smaller tournaments and has just won a big match in Australia I think.

  141. Ken says:

    So now that the draft is over and TC doesn’t start until July and the Pats have been punished, what do we talk about for the next couple of months?

  142. getterdone says:

    Each of the undrafted rookie linebackers the Dolphins signed ahead of their two-day rookie minicamp felt he belonged.

    Individually, Mike Hull, Zach Vigil, Jeff Luc and Neville Hewitt face long odds to be on the field when the season opens Sept. 13 against the Washington Redskins. But with possibly two roster spots open for competition at that position, the linebackers all hope they showed coach Joe Philbin and the front office that they deserve more attention after the camp ended Saturday.

    Philbin and his staff rotated the four at each of the three linebacker spots, and the coach said all of them are smart and instinctual enough to compete for a role on the team. The Dolphins — who did not select a linebacker in the draft — brought in those players primarily because of their ability to play multiple positions.

    “I like the group that we brought in,” Philbin said Friday. “They seemed to be guys that are real serious. They’ve been productive players in college, and that’s the one thing. They made tackles. … It’s early to tell, but I like the way they did things today.”
    Very good article. Vigil as I thought seems like he’s gonna be a good one. Hull as well.
    Here’s full article, not written by Omar either. 🙂

  143. getterdone says:

    Apparently Arthur Lynch was attending the rookie mini camp.

    Arthur Lynch
    Walter Michot / AP
    Miami Dolphins second-year tight end Arthur Lynch works through drills during a rookie minicamp at an NFL football training facility, Friday, May 8, 2015 in Davie, Fla.×422

  144. finfanrob says:

    Ken says:
    May 12, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    So now that the draft is over and TC doesn’t start until July and the Pats have been punished, what do we talk about for the next couple of months?

    god knows it needs to be something new. he hates when we beat a dead horse.

  145. getterdone says:

    Ken, Lynch isn’t that slow. 4.75 in 40 & a nice 4.35 20yd shuttle as well as 1.67 10yd split.. Plus he put up 28 reps. Not bad for the big guy 6’5 258.
    Hope he has no physical set backs and we’ll see if he can compete!

    Maybe he can make old #88 Mad Dog Mandich proud.

    Go #88!

    • Ken says:

      I know. I just put that there for Mike E. Lynch isn’t a burner but I think he can be an effective TE in the Fasano mold.

      • getterdone says:

        That would be A okay from a 5th round pick.

      • Ken says:

        Agreed. I like Lynch. I watched a lot of Georgia ball over the last few years and I think Lynch is a gamer and will be a good red zone threat.

  146. naplesfan2010 says:

    I was very impressed with Jeff Luc on Finsiders. But of course just liking a guy’s personality does not mean he makes the team. But he is a known ball-stripper and hits like a truck, two things we have needed at ILB for a while now.
    He runs a 4.6 40 so maybe he can also cover RBs and TEs in the flat.

  147. naplesfan2010 says:

    We have 11 LB on the 90-man roster, so we only need to cut 2 to get to our usual number that we carry which is 9. Especially if thees new 4 play STs with their 4.6 speed and rep as sure tacklers.
    ST was our main weakness last year, so we need some guys who can downfield fast and still stick it to the return man.

    • getterdone says:

      Yes, good points on the speedy LB’s that can make sure tackles, contributing as real special ST’ers.

  148. getterdone says:

    FFR on the blog.

  149. finfanrob says:

    lol @ getter

  150. finfanrob says:


    i thought i might piss jahn off with the dead horse thing, but you not only did it but slowed the blog down with it. you in for a world of hurt

  151. Ken says:

    Alright I am getting tired. Long day in court. I think I am going to pick up my book and read my self to sleep. ETA to sleep 15 minutes. LOL. I am out. Peace to you all.

  152. jahndoh says:

    Really? ONCE? LOL…FFR I really think you’re more creative than that. But whatever. Dead horse…blahblahblah. And to think I was just about to post that I had GDP’s back and I remember him touting Yanda that offseason. LOL….

    In other less banal news, Dan Shaughnessy at the Boston Globe refuses to fall in line and perpetuate the “Deny Deny Deflect, Deflate” strategy:

    “All in all, it just doesn’t get much worse than this, Patriots fans. More fights are in store, no doubt. But no matter what happens next, New England’s precious, hard-fought legacy is tarnished. Tom Brady and the Super Bowl champions have been branded as liars and cheaters.”

    • jahndoh says:

      BTW, the real irony was I was going to say you were samesonging the topic but I thought too much of you to paint you with that brush. LOL no good deed…

    • getterdone says:

      Luv it….sucks to be a Patsie fan.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      Dear Dan — appreciate your sudden realization about how most ppl outside of Puritanville feel about your team, but really Marsha and Bellicheat being disrespected is news only to you guys. I have seen several polls that say that NE is the league’s most hated franchise. Where lots of teams collect fans outside of their geographic area when they are successful, the Cheats have far fewer of those, because of all the Lady-whining and unsportsmanlike conduct of their surly coach.

  153. naplesfan2010 says:

    That dead horse GIF is horrific. Really brings home the meaning of the cliche.

  154. wyoming85 says:

    Professor Lou ‏@professor_lou · 1d1 day ago
    @professor_lou Now if they can just bring back Evan Finkenberg I will be complete.

  155. naplesfan2010 says:

    ok the axe has fallen in Boston, so now it’s time to get to work and win the Division on the field. I really think this might be our year. Instead of hoping kids surprise ppl and old vets have something left in the tank as per usual, this summer I think I have more factual reasons to be optimistic than any since Chad Pennington snuck into town during TC. Suh is the real thing. So is Parker. Ajayi is a real sleeper. Now let’s put it all together and win 12. Go Dolphins.

  156. finfanrob says:

    lol @ jahn thinking i am more creative then that. hell i laughed cause naples said ball-stripper. so shows what you know.

  157. wyoming85 says:

    I’m soooooooooooooooooo tired of this flat ball shit!

    Just let Brady be playing when we kick their ASS!!

    I want to Feel, taste defeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  158. getterdone says:

    I’m really digging both our Offense & Defense.
    Offense, got a franchise QB! Looks to be a great job replenishing as well as upgrading the receiving positions. Added another weapon @ RB too. Now just get the OL settled!

    Defense, got one of the top 3 defensive players in the NFL. Return some other very solid vets.
    Added depth everywhere on Defense too. Just get the LB corp settled and we should be good there as well.

    No more coaching excuses. Talent abounds on this team. Time to Ball.

    Go Phins!

  159. manitobafinfan says:

    Great job Tampa. Go bolts

  160. steveccnv says:

    getterdone says:

    May 12, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    Apparently Arthur Lynch was attending the rookie mini camp.

    Arthur Lynch
    Walter Michot / AP
    Miami Dolphins second-year tight end Arthur Lynch works through drills during a rookie minicamp at an NFL football training facility, Friday, May 8, 2015 in Davie, Fla.×422

    That’s not Lynch, this guy is a 6’8″ rookie, someone had a tape of him yesterday, he actually seems pretty athletic and can block.

    • getterdone says:

      Ahh ha. I thought something looked amiss. Looked too skinny.
      But he was wearing Lynch’s number. I guess for the time being.
      Get your azz to OTA’s Lynch!

  161. steveccnv says:

    The Miami Dolphins have signed rookie tight end Tim Semisch, who was a tryout participant during last weekend’s rookie minicamp..

    It continues a five-year run of the Dolphins signing at least one of the players they had trying out for the team.

    The is 6-foot-8, 267-pound Semisch caught only 10 passes for 100 yards and three touchdowns in his college career at Northern Illinois. He played primarily on special teams as a senior. His best season came in 2013, when he had seven receptions for 84 yards and a touchdown.
    This guy is #88 from the photo getterdone posted.

    • getterdone says:

      I thought so, sure didn’t look like Lynch…damn SS or AP reporters are lame….lol
      Hire me, I’d get it right!
      At any rate, like you mentioned above, only so many numbers to pass out.
      Lynch should be here come the OTA’s.

  162. steveccnv says:

    The mets have 18 more games this month, after they lose tonight they’ll be 20-13, what’s the odds they’ll be within a game of .500 by months end? 😛

  163. steveccnv says:

    Maybe our D won’t get so many stupid person fouls this yr, now that Jimmy Wilson is in SD.

  164. Mike E. says:

    If you guys look closely at the photo with Semisch, you can see Jordan Phillips eying Semisch from afar as if he were a large bucket of white meat only fried chicken. lol

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