By: Randy Campbell (Old Dolfan)
New York Jets @ Miami Dolphins, Oct. 7, 1973
The New York Jets-Miami Dolphins rivalry had a nasty edge to it right from the get-go. This was especially true for those games played in the historic Orange Bowl. Jet fans typically outnumbered Dolphin fans in the pre-Shula days, mostly because of all the ex-New Yorkers who migrated to Florida in the 1950’s, ’60’s and, later, in the 1970’s.
The very first game in this bitter rivalry took place in early September of 1966. It was Miami’s second official game of their existence. New York scored early and often, taking a 19-0 lead into the final quarter. By this time, Jet fans insults had led to dozens of fights and many arrests.
Miami returned a Namath interception for a touchdown early in the fourth quarter. Then QB Rick Norton hit TE Dave Kocourek with a 47-yard touchdown bomb and the Dolphins trailed only 19-14 to the delight of beleagured Miami fans. Eventually, the Jets stopped Miami’s final drive, preserving an unimpressive win over an AFL expansion team. More fights followed during the Jet fans post-game celebration. Miami mayor Robert King High called Jets fans behavior “inexcusable.” The rivalry “was on!”
The misery continued as Namath and the Jets swept the first eight games in this rivalry, most by lopsided scores. But, in 1970, new head coach Don Shula promised things would be different. Indeed, they were. Under Shula, the Dolphins won five of the next six contests, including two classic narrow victories during the 1972 season. The second win against New York in 1972 was, and IS, considered one of the greatest games ever played in the historic Orange Bowl! The Dolphins would go on from this come from behind 28-24 victory to complete the NFL’s one and only Perfect Season!
As the 1973 season dawned, Jet fans obsessed on one thing. –REVENGE against the Dolphins! But that would have to wait. The Jets lost their opening game at Green Bay. Then, the first half of their next game against Baltimore, Namath suffered a serious knee injury. It would cause him to miss about half of the 1972 season.
Trailing 10-3 at halftime, back-up Jets QB Al Woodall took control of the New York offense. Two Woodall touchdown passes plus a FG by Bobby Howfield gave the Jets a 20-10 lead. The Jets’ defense did the rest, returning two Bert Jones interceptions for “pick-six” touchdowns. The Jets had crushed Baltimore 34-10 without Joe Namath for most of the game. Would Al Woodall become the next Earl Morrall? Woodall, a 2nd round pick in the ’69 draft out of Duke, had seen limited action in his first four seasons behind Namath.
Next for New York was a trip to Buffalo to play O.J. Simpson and his powerful Bills’ team. Could Woodall maintain the hot hand and produce another upset? Three John Leypoldt field goals gave Buffalo a 9-0 lead early in the 4th quarter. But Woodall connected on a 34-yard bomb to speedy Jerome Barkum, narrowing Buffalo’s lead to just two points. New York was unable to score again, thus Buffalo escaped with a 9-7 win that was in doubt until the games’ final play.
Even without Namath, Don Shula knew these Jets were a dangerous team. New York’s top two runners, Emerson Boozer and big John Riggins, were among the best duos in the NFL. Wide receiver Eddie Bell was having a solid season. And tight ends Richard Caster and Jerome Barkum had the speed to go deep. Defensively, the Jets had allowed just 36 points total during their first three games.
Shula believed the key to beating the Jets rested on two factors. First, the Dolphins offense had to get off to a fast start. His plan was to open up the passing offenseto offset the Jets strong run defense. Secondly, he believed a strong pass rush against Woodall would pay huge dividends. Woodall lacked Namath’s quick release. And he wasn’t a threat to run the ball. So Miami’s defensive ends were told to pin their ears back. Shula’s plan worked to perfection.
Last week Mercury Morris ran for a Dolphins’ record 197 yards. On the first play of 
this game, Morris bolted for 25 yards in the blink of an eye! Griese followed with a 17-yard completion to Jim Kiick and the Dolphins were already in Jets’ territory. Runs by Morris, Kiick and Csonka moved the ball to the three yard line. Morris scooted the final three yards putting the Dolphins ahead 7-0.
Defensive captain Nick Buoniconti recovered a Jets’ fumble on their next series. 
Morris sprinted around end for 9 yards. Griese hit Marlin Briscoe for 15 yards. Two plays later Bob Griese threw a low pass to Briscoe who laid out to make a sensational diving catch for another touchdown! 14-0, Dolphins, after the first quarter.
Meanwhile, the Dolphins’ pass rush was totally intimidating Al Woodall. Defensive end Bill Sttanfill constantly hounded the Jets quarterback. By games’ end, Stanfill had recorded FIVE sacks and close to a dozen tackles. He was, in a word, unstoppable!
Griese, Briscoe and Paul Warfield continued to shred the Jets’ secondary in the second quarter. A long drive produced a 19-yard FG by Yepremian. Then, just before halftime, Griese tossed a 3-yard TD pass to Warfield, making the score a shocking 24-0 at intermission! The usually noisy and profane Jets fans were stone quiet.
Shula saw no reason to let-up on the passing game in the third quarter. A 
long 40-yard bomb, Griese to Warfield, turned this game into an absolute (and unexpected) blowout. The Dolphins led 31-0 heading into the final quarter.
By this time everyone agreed that Al Woodall was NOT the next Earl Morrall. Woodall was unceremoniously yanked after completing just 4 of 15 passes for 45 yards and two interceptions. Woodall’s back-up, Bill Demory, completed 2 of 5 passes and led the Jets to a field goal in the final moments of this lopsided 31-3 Dolphins’ victory.
And what of the REAL Earl Morrall? He entered the game in the fourth quarter and completed 2 of 4 passes for 46 yards, 1 yard more than Woodall achieved in over three quarters.
On the day, Miami passed for 219 yards and 3 touchdowns, a season’s high at that point. They also ran for 151 yards and another TD against a Jets’ defense that previously had yielded only 12 points per game.
Shula praised his offense, his defense and his special teams’ play. “It was our best effort of the year so far,” said the smiling Don of Miami.
In the Jets’ locker room a somber Weeb Ewbank said “We were totally outclassed today. This Dolphin team may be even better than the ’72 team.”
The 1973 Miami Dolphins were now 3-1. And they had just crushed the hated New York Jets, a thought that was foremost in my mind as I drove back home to West Palm Beach to continue my celebration!
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Bat, yeah certain groups of people were the offended parties’ problem for quite some time. It would still be a horror show for them had the rest of society stayed out of it.
Herd is right
its not SC State flag
but it does fly over the capitol
which is kind of random
Tim ..You are talking about actions. I am talking about symbols and ideas. I am not advocating for slavery. I am against banning symbols that may represent the idea for some people.
Tim
What on earth ever gave you the idea we have ever been a civil society?
We have laws that tell us to be that way. You know those documents that everyone keeps citing. Those who violate those laws are criminals not ‘civil’ians.
How well has that worked out?
Not every hate monger is a redneck in a pick-up truck flying old glory
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/lonnae-oneal-bothered-by-riots-whereve-you-been–for-decades/2015/04/28/18ef0a16-ed9f-11e4-8abc-d6aa3bad79dd_story.html
Bat, that’s your right to feel that way. I disagree with defending hate or the idea of it and the symbols that stand for it being flown proudly in public. What does that flag mean for people who love it so, this southern pride thing? What does that even mean, just because you happened to be born and raised in the southern part of the country? I don’t see northerners talking about northern pride. Maybe national pride to be an American, but that’s for everyone. And that is the pride of liberty and justice for all even if it doesn’t have a perfect track record itself. But it still stands for that, not hate.
WOW, quite a debate going here. Proud of you guys exercising your 1st amendment rights while you still have them or before we are designated to free speech zones in order to say how & what you feel.
tim
i guess based on your thinking stores should start banning the sale of white sheets.
but, i guess i will drop it with you, seems every time i direct a post at you you get all upset and pissy about it. i will refrain from now on.
Because sometimes you make snide remarks and you mock what I say then try to turn it on me about being pissy. I’m fine, I’m not afraid of expressing my opinions about stuff or I wouldn’t be here. I’m also not sensitive about it, but you keep accusing me of that and it’s getting boring. It’s a discussion, that’s what blogging is. If there’s no point to it, why are we here? You could be watching The Dukes of Hazzard reruns instead, oh wait. LOL
Tim …Unless the people displaying the flag are harassing people or otherwise breaking the law, they should just be ignored. Again, if the sight of an inanimate object offends you so, just don’t look .. They’re not flying it in your living room.
rob … Exactly on the white sheets ..Once you start giving in to these insipid grievance mongers, there’s no satisfying them
The confederate flag hasn’t flown over the SC statehouse continually since the Civil War, or as some in the south would call, the War of Northern Aggression. It didn’t reappear at the SC statehouse until 1962, and was a symbol of opposition to the civil rights movement. SC wasn’t the only southern state to start flying it again in the 60’s, but it is the last to remove it. I think that’s why it’s seen as a racist symbol to many.
It’s just a piece of cloth, it doesn’t mean anything. Nothing means anything. It’s just stuff.
Where’s the MSM coverage & outrage on Louis Farrakhan’s recent diatribe last week, that the USA needs to take down the American flag???
I don’t know because I don’t watch that show but I spoke out about that hateful, racist piece of shit.
GDP .. You know better than to ask that ..you sick racist …lol
I know right…lol smh
I think the scary thing for me is that we’ve begun using the excuse of being offended to censor things. Do I think it’s okay to offend someone? No. But, I think there is much greater harm done by opening the door to censorship simply because someone is offended by something.
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Take the flag off of any governmental building because it is not a symbol of our united country. But, I’d leave it at that. I’m offended by lots of things, but I don’t feel censoring those things to essentially remove them from the world is the answer. I just have to deal with being offended from time to time. The world isn’t perfect. We’ll all find things offensive from time to time, and we just have to deal with it and move on.
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It’s also akin to the “everybody gets a medal” syndrome. People think that simply because they’re personally offended that something must be done to stop it. I say, not at the cost of people’s freedom from censorship.
“Take the flag off of any governmental building because it is not a symbol of our united country. But, I’d leave it at that.”
That’s all it’s about. But paranoia sets in and it takes on a life of its own. Nobody is losing their rights here. LOL
I’m offended by your malevolence of a certain Ryan Timothy Tannehill III 👿
Tim, MSM = mainstream media….none of the big 6 had much to say about his hateful extremists azz.
Wyo, I’m not sure where you got the idea that I’m saying we’re a friggin utopia and only rednecks are hate mongers. But that’s what happens with discussions like this, extreme examples get cited to get the discussion off track – like white sheets being banned. (rolling eyes)
Randy …Good post … Although I believe that in some cases it is fine to “offend” someone. Our society caters to these nitwits so you can find some imbecile to be offended by virtually anything and everything.
GD, I read it wrong and thought you meant MSNBC. I don’t think Farrakkan is paid much attention to which is a good thing.
Well, he has quite a following that has afforded him to live in the lap of luxury…oh, and he’s been to the white house numerous times to visit ol BO. But, like you said, nobody pays attention to him….wink wink 😉
but no one really cares about him at the end of the day
And I don;t get why one is relevent to the other
(see below post)
getterdone says:
July 2, 2015 at 1:34 pm (Edit)
Where’s the MSM coverage & outrage on Louis Farrakhan’s recent diatribe last week, that the USA needs to take down the American flag???
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This is an argument I never get
You are obviously outraged about it
So I don;t know why you are looking for it – you should know where to find it, if it upsets you
Aside from that, what difference does it make to the outrage about the SC flag?
if you are upset about one you must be upset everything else s? Why?
We would never speak out about anything if we were forced to address everything that some one else might think is important
That would be exhausting
If you think something should be discussed that isn’t – that is your responsibility to state it
I don;t personally care about what Farah Khan said, bc I have never cared about what Farah Khan said
I actually thought he was dead until you posted something about him
but if its important to you to be outraged about what he says – go for it
but I don;t think you should act like anything else is less important bc some one doesn’t mention it everytime they are mad about something else
Tim ..The confederate flag wasn’t paid much attention to either before this manufactured controversy .. and Calypso Louie is FAR more offensive and dangerous than a flag.
Tim Knight says:
July 2, 2015 at 1:33 pm
I’m also not sensitive about it, but you keep accusing me of that and it’s getting boring.
oh you mean like you do to me every time i make mention of some nappy headed fool. i see, fine for you to do it but not me. gotcha
If that’s how you see it that’s on you. It’s apparent that you get annoyed at the mention and comments about Omar or you wouldn’t say anything. It’s really apples and oranges.
Bat,
I’m with you. It’s not words and symbols that harm people. It’s other people. Censoring the “N word” or removing a flag from view isn’t going to do anything to change those individuals who have hate in their hearts and want to act on it. In fact, doing so will probably actually embolden those sorts of people to act out even more because now THEY feel they’ve been offended and feel justified in acting out.
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Can I be offended by the Cross because it is a symbol of hatred, death and religious intolerance? Because it could be seen that way by many.
Tim …BTW ..Calypso Louie doesn’t offend me. He has the right to spew hatred as he chooses. That’s part of the deal with freedom.
Tim,
Yeah, I get that it was initially about taking the flag off of governmental buildings. I was speaking more to the idea of censorship for the sake of not offending certain people. More of that macro issue.
It was turned into that because it’s typical for people to get off topic and make it about something it’s not. Nobody is losing any rights here or being censored. It’s also not a conservative/liberal issue, it’s a civil one. People on both sides of the aisle are for it just as much as against taking it down. It’s public opinion. Like Herd said, that flag was put up as a symbol of resistance against the civil rights movement. It most definitely means something or why have it?
bat says:
July 2, 2015 at 1:29 pm
rob … Exactly on the white sheets ..
yep, and every mom of a teenage boy across the country will be making their sons wash their own sheets from now on.
Randy .. Exactly ..Where does it stop? .. This is what happens when the government and the courts think they can create utopia by legislating thought.
GDP
I’m offended that a grown ass man would care enough to actually know the full name of a football player. Do you know his birthday and favorite color too? Lol
^^^
And I haven’t talked about that certain player for quite some time. I’m being good so as not to offend any one!
Randy ..LOL ..If you want to lay down some negativity, I’ve got your back …
i didnt investigate this but the other day on a local talk show they were saying that Amazon banned the sale of the confederate flag and any merchandise with it on it. however, they said you could still but a swastika flag or arm band, a hitler mug and other nazi merchandise.
again, IMHO, this isnt about taking down the flag for racist purposes, just about the media creating sensationalism
Bat
Is Farrakhan employed by the same employer you are? lol
bat says:
July 2, 2015 at 2:03 pm
Randy ..LOL ..If you want to lay down some negativity, I’ve got your back …
me too randy, if you want to lay down, i got your back too.
Nothing like a hot cup o’ joe in a Hitler mug, I always say . . . DOH!
Mike ..LOL ..No ..He couldn’t pass the Wonderlich …
ffr,
You know I’m not a catcher. Lol
Piggy,
I’m not upset by Farrakhan personally cause he hasn’t done anything to me personally or that has affected me yet, that I know of.
I was simply stating that the media focus is always slanted to one agenda, but fails to be ‘balanced’ in it’s reporting.
Farrakhan made those statements from his fancy church in DC as a direct response to the Confederate flag debate.
Same with Al Sharpton, who makes outlandish statements before all the facts are out, in rallying more hatred directly on the heels of anything the media is at in force when it comes to the death of a black person.
BTW, Sharpton is one of the most frequent visitors in the WH.
Now that affects us all at some point even if indirectly when the leader of our Nation keeps company with fellow s like that.
Yes, that gives me pause, as it should everyone else.
Bat
I don’t wanna be the cause of folks developing ulcers because something negative was said about thier franchise QB. The phrase ” horrible pocket presence” might get banned, and I couldn’t live with myself if that were to happen. Lol
Bat, we don’t fly Calypso Louie’s NOI flag on public grounds though do we?
Sharpton is just a “Hate chaser”, and Farrakhan himself is a hate monger. Most people know this and take whatever they say with a grain of salt.
So says this “hook nose bagel eating . . . . ” lol
tim,
you got it, you know me of so well. what can i say……wait you know me oh so well you know what i can say.
I just go by what you type.
rob ..Amazon is still selling Nazi items including SS offficers hat. Luftwaffe commanders hat, Swastika patches and arm bands, SS deaths head pins etc. .. all non offensive apparently …lol
Not sure why they sell that other crap but they are not a government building representing all the people of their state. They’re a products drop/ship company and we can choose to not do business with them. Black people in SC cannot choose not to do business with their state government. So once again not a viable argument. Amazon is being hypocritical.
getterdone says:
July 2, 2015 at 2:10 pm
‘I was simply stating that the media focus is always slanted to one agenda, but fails to be ‘balanced’ in it’s reporting.’
gdp, how dare you say the media isnt fair. there is no way they would slant things for ratings.
…or slant things because they are controlled by elite money agendas.
Who would you expect them to be controlled by, poor homeless people? LOL
Randy, LMAO, good one, ya got me there.
But I think Tanny’s favorite color is Aqua baby! 😉
Tim ..Nobody is arguing that the flag should be displayed on government grounds. I am against the knee jerk, hair on fire reaction to ban sales and displays by the rest of the frightened lemmings who are so cowed by the PC bullies.
That’s the private sector’s choice though. That’s not what I’m talking about at all. Yes there are people arguing to keep the flag up and making it out to be more than just that.
Bat
Glad to hear there are some standards down there
bat,
come on everyone knows forcing a race to work for free is way more offensive then the slaughter of millions.
Randy ..LOL .. You could substitute the phrase “feet in cement” for “horrible pocket presence” ..
GDP
IMO whenever we mention things like that
its just a red hearing
and excuse not to discuss the issue at hand (I don;t mean here I mean the issue at hand that is getting so much attention lately)
I think if it was profitable the media would be happy to attack Farrah Khan
and most of the attention Farah Khan has received in his life has been negative, so its not like he is idolized by the media
but its just boring that Farah Kahn says something bombastic
its almost expected of him and he is just one guy
its no where near as interesting as a State flying a symbol that large groups are offended by
apples and oranges IMO
not an example of a double standard
Football News
Sheldon Richardson was just suspended 4 games for violating the NFL drug policies
WOOHOO!
Horrible pocket presence….LMAO…what pocket? The one like this?
“Amazon is being hypocritical.”
Tim ..Which was the point of my post ..You keep going back to this government thing which is an argument that no one here is making . We all agree on that point.
I didn’t read it that way. So then what are we talking about, something that isn’t happening? LOL
Tim Knight says:
July 2, 2015 at 2:25 pm
Black people in SC cannot choose not to do business with their state government. So once again not a viable argument.
i dont know a person on here who has said they are against the govt taking it down. so what is your point.
So then we’re talking about something that has nothing to do with taking the flag down? I don’t get where all this other censorship stuff is coming from because that’s not what this is about and I’ve said it over and over. So what’s your point?
Pig, I see what you’re saying…it just irks me that the clear agenda is race baiting & divide from the top of our government down to the controlled propagation of the MSM.
Where’s the stories on the horrific side affects/consequences of SSRI’s being pushed by Big Pharma, etc.
The gun didn’t kill those innocent people, the crazy kid on psychotropic drugs did.
But that gets swept under the rug because Big Pharma like other big corporations have Big Lobby’s that pay for influence.
Well I also think its a psychological issue which is taking a back seat to the race a to a lesser degree gun issues
I don’t see that stuff swept under the rug. Everything you said gets discussed by the media, both sides of the issue. I also agree the gun itself is not the criminal, the person pulling the trigger is. The gun is just a tool for maiming and killing.
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 18m18 minutes ago
Sheldon Richardson suspended four games for substance abuse violation http://wp.me/p14QSB-9NDe
Probably means Leonard Williams gets a crack at the starting lineup right away.
I sort of assumed williams would get that crack anyway
Tim .. It is the following hysterical reaction that most here are against. It is borne of fear and intimidation brought on by the braying PC jackasses who would tar anyone as a racist for having anything to do with the flag. None of this is sincere by either the government or the private sector. It was all brought about because some depraved maniac shot a bunch of innocent Black people. If that had not happened, the flag would still be largely ignored..
Id also say it would increasingly become more and more irrelevant as time and relation mended, but its worse now and its worse because government got involved. I NEVER see any Confederate flags flying on my drive into work, even though im driving through mostly rural southern areas. After this whole flag shit i have now seen two houses put them up in protest. These people obviously never cared enough to fly them before and are doing it now in protest of what they dont feel is right. I dont know these people or their racists (or lack thereof) tendencies, but you would think if they were proud racists like everyone thinks everyone is here, they woulda proudly flown it every day.
I knew that would happen too. Who’s saying everyone here are proud racists?
D … Exactly ..This nonsense has just increased awareness of the flag and has spurred supporters to fly it even if they are just supporting the right to do so and not necessarily what it represents.
Bat, no doubt people react to events, that’s what we do. But that flag flying shouldn’t have been there all this time anyway and it took a horrific act to say okay, and take that fucking thing down already. You seem to be against people reacting to things which is a natural act. Should we have ignored 9/11 and not focused on the enemy? Of course we react to things. But there is no censorship resulting from the flag issue. It’s just about taking it down on the SC state capitol grounds. Where did all this other stuff come from?
When Indiana had that stupid law against gay people, a large corporation SalesForce reacted by offering their gay employees money to move out of the state, which is their free right. Nobody told them they had to do that. They did it on their own. That’s civil freedom right there.
I actually am past the confederate flag thing. I think it not facing a real problem, i think its a political ploy to rally people against and used to divide us further, but on some levels i understand it too. I know how i feel when i see it, and i know the judgement i pass ont he people i generally see flying it. I think negative things about them so IMO since one of my biggest gripes is the fact i get judge like them because i live here and i have an accent, and im white, that its probably a good thing to get that to go away. But really will it? Does it end there? The shit with the group in NY burning the American flag because it represented more years of racism sickens me, and it convinces me that no thats not going to be good enough. It convinces me there will never be anything but racism directed at me because im white and from the south. There has to be a balance, and there has to be equality in mind. Right now its not about that its about flipping the script, erasing history, and condemnation. You dont heal from that, you dont grow from that, you just make the opposite side be as resentful as the previous one was.
I don’t think anyone thinks because you’re white and from the south that makes you a racist. Except for people like Farrakkan but he’s a hateful racist anyway so who cares what he says.
Taking the flag down is not going to end hate. But it also doesn’t need to be flying as a reminder of a dark past. The American flag doesn’t stand for rebellion and hate just because some of it’s people are like that. It clearly stands for liberty and justice for all. But we’re not a perfect species, so yes in this country under that flag lots of bad stuff has happened. It doesn’t change its meaning though.
GDP
I’m hoping for a big year from the young man! The whole team needs to get better. Let’s hope we see it all come together this year.
Rolando McClain was also hit with a 4 game suspension
Great career he is having…
Tim Knight says:
July 2, 2015 at 2:53 pm
Bat, no doubt people react to events, that’s what we do. But that flag flying shouldn’t have been there all this time anyway and it took a horrific act to say okay, and take that fucking thing down already. You seem to be against people reacting to things which is a natural act. Should we have ignored 9/11 and not focused on the enemy? Of course we react to things. But there is no censorship resulting from the flag issue. It’s just about taking it down on the SC state capitol grounds. Where did all this other stuff come from?
When Indiana had that stupid law against gay people, a large corporation SalesForce reacted by offering their gay employees money to move out of the state, which is their free right. Nobody told them they had to do that. They did it on their own. That’s civil freedom right there.
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Tim though how did we react to 9/11? Did we go and start pulling Koran’s from shelves? Did amazon take all Islamic merchandise down.? Did Walmart follow suit? What we did was find a way to UNIFY people, not DIVIDE them further. Im not saying the flag shouldnt have come down but they needed a better way of going about it that didnt include something that you could see from a mile away would have been a slap in someone’s face.
Also, i get the equality of sevice thing for same sex marriages, but isnt it just as offensive to tell a group of people that dont agree with it, for whatever reason, yeah you know what fuck you, you got to take that order? What if it was a Jewish baker being forced to do something for a Muslim wedding? Its nto the right or wrong of the same sex marriage, its the right or wrong of FORCING a person to do something against their will. You see it as wrong for them to deny it but there is another side of that coin.
There were a lot of anti-Islamic things going on after 9/11 which was wrong because not all Muslims are terrorists.
You lost me on gay marriage though. How is that forcing you or anyone to do anything?
Tim …You are the one that keeps mixing the government reaction which was brought about by political expediency and the public reaction which was forced by cajoling and threats from PC douche bags and grievance groups. Again, none of the reaction was sincere in any way. If these people were so in tune with sentiments against the confederate flag, why were they selling it and displaying it before the murders? Did it suddenly become more offensive, even though it had absolutely nothing to do with the heinous act? Cowards reacting in a cowardly way in the face of bullies is certainly nothing to celebrate. The flag should have continued to be made available and let the public decide how offensive it is through the sales or lack thereof….IMO
Your point, Tim, about the 9/11 unifying thing to me is exactly what i have been saying since the shooting at the curch, we need to come together to greive, learn, and move past this in the best way possible. Politics got involved and as it almost always does, fucked shit up.
Alabama state flag
I don’t get into telling companies what to do. They don’t care anyway. If Amazon or other businesses decide to take a position on this, then I, as a consumer, can simply choose to say: “I think you’re a pussy for caving to public pressure.” and not give them my money anymore. That’s the way it works. To another person, they may say it’s no big deal.
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If big corporations are setting our moral tone, then God help us….we’re screwed already. Lol
Here here to that.
Only if that’s where you draw your morality from. People need to stop letting the media set their opinions as well and I’m not sure why anyone allows that to happen. Unless you live in a cave and don’t socialize in your community and country or wherever and think for yourself, not sure what to do about that.
Miko Grimes @iHeartMiko 13m13 minutes ago
DoNOT blame the most important plant on earth for the stupidity of those too stupid not smoke it until they get their ONE test per year.
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wow, you’re welcome Brent, welcome to multiple test next year.
Oh brother!
OK ..I’m out for now ..Play nice while I’m gone ..lol
Bat, government represents all of the people so I’m still not sure what your beef is?
I’m not from SC so I never saw it flying. I also never looked to see who was selling the confederate flag because I wasn’t interested in it so not all of us knew everything about it. Those who looked away all along have their own conscience, but to say there was no sincerity is to use a broad brush by good intentioned people.
Things always change due to a reaction to an event. How else would it happen?
Tim Knight says:
July 2, 2015 at 3:08 pm
There were a lot of anti-Islamic things going on after 9/11 which was wrong because not all Muslims are terrorists.
You lost me on gay marriage though. How is that forcing you or anyone to do anything?
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Its not forcing me to do anything and im not having a problem with it. It is however forcing a business owner to do something that they may not agree with. If it is a Christian owner, and their moral stance is gay marriage is wrong, they should have the freedom of belief to feel that way and the right to, as a private business owner, not take a order that is for a gay marriage. Its a private business and has every right to chose anyone it serves or doest. The refusal of business in itself should take care of necessary ramifications for sticking to their beliefs.
I don’t disagree from a free rights angle, but I personally think it’s douchey and will not do business with them ever again. I won’t be the only one either so if that biz can stay afloat with only people of the same view, I’d have to live with it.
There are plenty of businesses and establishments who use their right to not serve certain people for all sorts of reasons. One person might be known as a troublemaker, another is an ex-con, another on the sex offender list, someone who hurt your sister etc. and I get all of that. So where do we draw the line? That’s when my libertarianism kicks in.
Tim,
Good point about action/reaction and events. And, sometimes small groups of people or even individuals can take advantage of an event to benefit their cause or desires. Deft manipulation of how an event is managed or crafting a particular response can be extremely impactful. Groups of all sorts grab onto events nowadays and, if need be, warp it to their purposes. the initial issue of a flag on a building has been a no-brainer for decades. There’s probably a reason this has been blown up at this moment. Someone is benefiting from this. Media, special interest groups, who knows, really.
I don’t disagree. But I’m used to the whole human thing and some of it just pisses me off. But you can’t really disallow it. Those who speak the loudest always set the agenda in community; business and elected officials. But we have laws to abide.
Sweet, Richardson out for 4 games. That guy is a baller. Good for us.
Tim Knight says:
July 2, 2015 at 3:36 pm
I don’t disagree from a free rights angle, but I personally think it’s douchey and will not do business with them ever again. I won’t be the only one either so if that biz can stay afloat with only people of the same view, I’d have to live with it.
There are plenty of businesses and establishments who use their right to not serve certain people for all sorts of reasons. One person might be known as a troublemaker, another is an ex-con, another on the sex offender list, someone who hurt your sister etc. and I get all of that. So where do we draw the line? That’s when my libertarianism kicks in.
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Exactly Tim, but thats how you deal with it, you and everyone else that feels that way, doesnt do business with them, they suffer because public stood up for whats right, and things happen the right way. No government force needed.
I agree with that. My stance on the flag was it should not fly on the capitol grounds. That’s really where it ended as far as government goes. Because that state capitol represents all of it’s citizens.
The gay marriage law was based on the constitution and bill of rights, not a new policy through an agenda. It was looked at by the supreme court and upheld as individual rights. That’s their job. The people make the government move even though they sometimes feel they don’t. All decisions came about through lots of voices over a period of time. It could be worse. LOL
Also where we draw the line is exactly why im afraid of the US Government forcing things….where does it end, where do they stop after a precedence has been set. I mean look what if it was int he other direction and the government gets invloved in private sector and says the opposite of your beliefs, wouldnt that make it wrong. What if they actually decided that since on a federal level, pot was illegal, that all states had to make it illegal. So now colorado, and oregon, and truthfully California would all have to shut down all businesses and go against what their people felt was right? I mean thats hwat could happen when the US government steps in on states affairs. Right and wrong isnt in play here, at least not the right or worng of the subjects they are making it about. The right and wrong of these debates are in whether we feel, that without as much as a vote on any state or national level, we feel these rulings are actually by popular decision.
Cool! That stands for strong together. 🙂
Tim,
I think I get most concerned when the agenda of others start impacting my personal liberties…or at least I think they do. It’s not necessarily this specific event that is the issue. It’s the framework it, and others, may set for things to happen later on too. We are seeing this sort of situation come up more and more. You can see it by the number of times it’s a topic of conversation here, for example. It’s usually a slow build up of minor events that lead to a major one. Do we reach a tipping point where it does represent a serious threat to our personal freedoms? As you said about events, that’s sorta how it works.
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As a social observer it’s fascinating…but kinda scary too.
I don’t wake up each morning feeling threatened or my rights are being taken away. I really haven’t felt that sheltered other than some kind of annoying regulations and taxes. But I’m not fearing a sinister government takeover. If it happens I guess I was wrong.
D, I don’t think civil rights should be a state thing. We’re talking about the rights of citizens. That has to be federal or you’d have rogue states. I explained how I felt about the private sector businesses’ rights. I personally feel we have to live with that as well.
Civil Rights have always been a federal issue
Right, I felt D was touching on states not following civil rights laws. It spurred from the gay marriage topic of whether a business has to serve them because it’s against their faith. Where does that line go? You can’t not serve someone based on race and religion even though we know it happens. I personally don’t want to live in a society with a lot of that going on.
But it’s easy to do.
If say a white guy goes into the hood where whitey is frowned upon to get his hot car customized and these guys are known as the best, they might tell him we can’t help you, we’re not accepting and new business. And that could be a lie. Whitey is better off just leaving it at that.
But where does the line get drawn officially?
Tim,
I don’t think it’s an impending doom or even will definitely happen. I’m just saying that precedents are being set. Where they take us or how we ultimately respond as a society is yet to be seen. Democracy is a living thing, or so they say.
For sure.
I think anyone with a business has to realize that their business thrives by good service, fair price, and recommendations and positive feedback from customers. When you start refusing to serve an entire group of people, you jeopardize your business. While I understand how someone with deep Christian belief would not want to service a gay couple, I think it could only cause harm to their business via negative feedback.
Exactly Mike, and believe me i woudlnt feel good dealing with those people weither, because my christian stance is that God preaches tolerance and i would see them as intolerant and not understanding of the religion they profess to be a part of. So again, its capitalism’s way of correcting a wrong and its easy to leave that to them and let them hang themselves by bad business practices.
For some they would struggle for sure. But I rely on the greed of a majority of businesses to serve everyone because profit is what they care about. So I don’t think it’s going to be a real impactful position to begin with. It will be for some who want to scream about it. But that doesn’t mean they can’t get the service anywhere else and we all know that. Some people aren’t nice with others, that’s not going to go away. We’re not a utopia.
I want that flag GDP! That’s nice!
Me too….got to let our freak flag fly baby!
Tim
How white is whitey? lol
Very! Stands out like a flashing white light. LOL
What is up FUers? Been working like crazy 80 hour weeks. Finally have time to drive by as I wait for an oil change
The confederate flag. Should it be banned, should Dukes of Hazzard be pulled from TV LAND, and should a Christian worshipper be forced to make a gay wedding cake when they can’t tolerate that lifestyle?
Oh and Sheldon Richardson was suspended 4 games!
1. Yes from government grounds
2. That is up to TV land to decide
3. Yes it’s their job. I have to represent a holes I don’t like
What other issues can I solve
i dont know if any of you do own your on business but i do. so i can speak from experience on this matter about whom to and not to service. as a business owner it is pretty simple. i simply will only service those who will pay me. the only question is the level of service.
I like to be serviced
As long as you let Rob chain you to the couch, you will get serviced.
Tim Knight says:
July 2, 2015 at 4:18 pm
Right, I felt D was touching on states not following civil rights laws. It spurred from the gay marriage topic of whether a business has to serve them because it’s against their faith. Where does that line go? You can’t not serve someone based on race and religion even though we know it happens. I personally don’t want to live in a society with a lot of that going on.
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No i think our arguments (we were having three distinct topics as an intertwined argument) got crossed. I believe that anything related to rights for all in this country is dominion of federal government, but i do feel a vote by the people on any subject allows for what you were saying was the choice of the public. I mean i was going off that statement you made that the government’s decision is the choice of the people and thats just not true. They do have to make some decision for us though and on civil liberties its kinda of like a family decision and thisone needed to be made by the parent.
But we put those people in office who make those decisions for us. That’s why we vote. I have a major issue with how divisive the two major parties behave with each other and then act all chummy and vote for much of the same thing. It looks so dishonest and not based on principle, so yes there are times where the government seems to slip away from us. We could change that, but too many people follow their typical party line and vote for the same people. Stop doing that! LOL
Ken says:
July 2, 2015 at 4:26 pm
I like to be serviced
i like to be paid. lol
Ken will give you pro boner 😉
And that’s for free
Tim, by saying Whitey, you are subconsciously continuing to promote this white privilege stigma that the progressives are so determined to do.
Why should the white man be undermined, guilty, and prematurely judged?
ps. I know you didn’t mean it that way, but the point had to be made. When people say something long enough then it becomes accepted as right, even tho it was wrong to begin with.
That in part is what the media does as well. Pound shit into people’s heads long enough and they’ll believe / go along with what you’re saying.
I’m just going by experience, nobody told me this. Whitey wasn’t me, but I have seen stuff like that. I’m just pointing out an example of the way it is in other sectors. We’re not a utopia and there is always going to be some of this stuff.
LOL @ Tim – White hot spotlight? 🙂
NFL suspended Chargers TE Antonio Gates four games for violating the league’s PED policy.
This one is a shocker. Headed into his 13th NFL campaign, Gates has always been a model NFL citizen, both on- and off-the-field. In a statement, Gates said he never “knowingly” ingested a banned substance. While possibly true, it’s the oldest PED excuse in the book. Now 35, Gates has been thus far ageless as Philip Rivers’ go-to target, but his absence will free up a massive amount of looks for Keenan Allen and Stevie Johnson, and give Ladarius Green the opportunity he’s deserved for some time now.
That’s good news about Sheldon Richardson
Sure is, but I’m sure the Jets are thrilled that Leonard Williams fell into their lap in the draft.
Yes it is but an inexperienced rookie than a proven beast
^i would rather face
Nicky Satan’s boy….LOL
Texans waived DT Brandon Ivory.
An undrafted rookie out of Alabama, Ivory is facing first-degree burglary charges in Tuscaloosa, Ala. This is likely the end of his brief NFL career.
Car is ready drive by is over. Peace
*yawn*, still discussing the symbolism of a flag? lol.
Actually I found out it was more about The Dukes of Hazzard being canceled. Think of all the brain cells that will be saved. Yet the hand lotion business will take a hit without Daisy. LOL
The United States has blocked attempts by its Middle East allies to fly heavy weapons directly to the Kurds fighting Islamic State jihadists in Iraq, The Telegraph has learnt.
Some of America’s closest allies say President Barack Obama and other Western leaders, including David Cameron, are failing to show strategic leadership over the world’s gravest security crisis for decades.
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Our muslim in chief is further fanning the flames of conspiracy that points to his admin being a part of and behind the new boogeyman for very sinister goals.
This video taught Tim everything he knows about dancing.
Oh come on, man! Those aren’t my moves. LOL
Tim,
LOL.
It just goes to show that Dukes was just a filler on TV Land like every other show there (these shows aren’t generating much revenue). I mean c’mon, it’s TV LAND, the network itself is crap and only on cable because it’s part of the bundled crap companies such as Viacom shove down everyone’s throats to say they have more channels/content than the next provider. They pulled the Cosby show last year when sexual assault allegations were made on Bill.
Only time a show doesn’t get pulled is if it’s pivotal to a channels success such as South Park and Comedy Central when Parker/Stone made fun of Scientology in their script LOL.
That’s why I don’t worry too much about discrimination in business because profit rules the day in most business. Yeah we might find it douchey and morally wrong, but it’s not that big of a deal because there are plenty to choose from for all.
https://twitter.com/BSO/status/616709139700396037/photo/1
GDP,
Not supplying an abundance of arms to the Kurds is the right policy IMO in a very tense region.
The Kurds are not sold on the idea of a central Iraq government and may have separatist ambitions.
The Iraq government is weak organizationally but the current US policy with the Kurds (do what the Iraqi central government has been unable to do) serves to give the Iraqi government somewhat of a chance in light of the failed efforts to control the regions where ISIS thrives.
Tim’s inspiration
Looks like a black clown that a squirrel got loose in its pants.
Last part was when he finally got it clamped between his ass cheeks.
Now called the Colonpokey dance.
Lol damn you got me Tim i just went on a mini Napoleon Dynamite clip binge lol.
I bet I can throw this football over those mountains. LOL
Supplemental Draft
Aaron Wilson of the National Football Post reports that 15 NFL teams were on hand Thursday for the West Georgia pro day that includes DT Dalvon Stuckey and DE Darrius Caldwell.
According to Wilson, this group includes: the Cardinals, 49ers, Packers, Raiders, Titans, Jets, Dolphins, Lions, Seahawks, Chargers, Falcons, Rams and Buccaneers.
I’d think the Phins reps were looking mostly @ Caldwell.
Look at all of them.
I have a business partnership idea for Piggy & Ken. I’ll need royalties of course.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/07/02/countrys-first-gay-divorce-firm-opens-in-philadelphia
They’re people too.
Since marriage is the first step to no sex or limited amounts of it, maybe those opposed to gay lifestyles should actually be for gay marriage.
D, do you really think you can end the gay lifestyle and how often does it affect you? That part I don’t get. Nowhere I go do I feel over-consumed with gayness or gay sex. The only place you likely hear about it is through the media. Do you see it in an offensive way often in public? I for one don’t want to see anyone engaging in sex publicly. It’s not civil and it’s disrespectful.
I thought it was obviously proposterous statement i made, it was more a joke about not getting any after getting married lol
I have 0 issue gay marriage or gay sex, i have said many times i have been comfortable enough to hang out withthem like i would any other friends , go to their bars with them, sleep in their houses when i was too drunk to drive home after hanging out with my GF at the time. My christian beliefs tell me it isnt right, but my christian beliefs tell me to love them just like any other person too.