By Dr. Bruce Banner
Hulk back. Hulk angry once again. I mean Hulk always angry especially at new job that makes it hard for Hulk to write as much as he would like. But really for the most part Hulk had been pretty optimistic this off season and Hulk looking forward to start of season and then first week ugly win make Hulk sweat but Hulk felt road win on week 1 always good thing and the team will shape up. Then road loss week 2 to lowly Jags and Hulk start getting angry. But Hulk says no way team come out flat against the toe suckers but then Hulk watch team fall flat on its face in one of worst games Hulk watch since the Titans debacle a couple of years back and you know what happens when Hulk gets angry. So here is what makes Hulk angry:
Hulk angry that coach Philbin still have job. Year in and year out coach Philbin manage to have team under perform in key games, especially against division foes. But owner loyal to a fault. He no fire the queasy coach, why? Hulk don’t know! It’s not like we have a track record of success with coach Joe. We are now into year 4 of Philbin and we really see nothing different about Phins.
Hulk angry that front office do nothing to fix offensive line in off season. Once again our offense line is truly offensive. We can’t pass block and we can’t run block. Our big off season acquisition was to wait to the 4th round to draft somebody and bring in a couple of journeymen linemen who really were no different than the journeymen we had on the roster. So guess what the result is. Our best OT is still hurt, we have back up OT that is not good and got hurt himself as well. Our 2 starting guards are among the lowest rated guards by PFF and offense looks like it stepped in quicksand as a result.
Hulk angry at Walt Aikens. Here is kid who has all the raw talent to be a monster in his own right. But kid don’t know how to cover receiver going deep down field. Aikens make Hulk long for Louis Delmas and Hulk no like Louis Delmas but he better than Mistaikens.
Hulk angry at Mike Tannenbaum. He was man who almost ruined Jets by making dumb contracts to players who underperform. He come to Miami and now doing same thing. Hulk angry that we have talent shortage at key positions along OL and at linebacker but we will have no cap space to do anything about that because we tied up too much money to too few players. Hulk fear this team will now be in cap hell with no way out.
All those things make Hulk angry but you know what make Hulk angrier than anything else? Himself. Hulk angry at Hulk because Hulk got fooled or suckered in by this supposed optimism coming from Davie. Hulk believed that things would be different this year because we got Suh. He would make us tougher, this team won’t be so soft anymore. This team will have a mean streak to it and play like that. Hulk really believed all that and that is what makes Hulk mad because Hulk was sold a lie. This team is just as soft as Jonathan’s Martin’s fragile ego ready to crumble at the first sign of adversity, throw it’s lunch tray down in the middle of the field and stomp off to go call mommy. No one on team has intestinal fortitude. No one on team make big play when it matters. No one play with urgency. All the things that were supposed to be different this year. Hulk angry at himself for believing that it actually would be. Now Hulk just angry that he has to start looking forward to next year and it is still September.
Finsmob Unleashed 
Tim
I can’t remember RayRay’s other name.
Mike, I think it was me who busted him, and then NJ unloaded on him.
OH snap! It was you. That’s awesome! That made me laugh so hard, I still remember that
Ray rays other name was pookie
JS – I have permanently deleted that game from my hard drive so couldn’t go back and watch it if I wanted to. Fact is, even if it was still available, I would rather lower my private parts into a mincer than experience any of it again. Some games, like the Jax 62-7 blow out, are just too shameful and that was firmly in that category.
I don’t know you from Adam, but you seem to be somewhat of a contrarian by nature. Each is entitled to his or her own opinion, however, and you’ll never convince me we “hung with the Bills” in that game (even for a half). We couldn’t even punch it in when we had multiple attempts from the 1 or 2 yard line in trash time. The TD pass Matthews caught was about 5 yards underthrown and it was a stroke of luck he even came back and fell underneath it. Sorry, but those two teams, on that night, were light years apart all game seen through my eyes, although I admit to watching it on fast forward at the bitter end the next morning. One team looked like a play-off contender and the other like a team picking at #1 in the draft next year.
I read this in Michael Caine’s voice.
You read it with a Cockney accent? I was thinking more Eddie Izzard.
“you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!”
Or James Mason.
Sorry to disappoint guys but think more Oasis …… I’m a northerner, not a soft southerner! 🙂
Like Ridley Scott?
It looked like 2 teams going in different direction. Very depressed about the way the phins are playing. I doubt we can beat a good college team right now.
It reminds me of Rex Ryan last year at jets or Sparanos last season as HC and its only been 3 games. When you keep a coach an extra year this is what you get. Player know his on his last leg and give no effort. Its a shame.
More Danny Boyle!
I read UK’s comment in Andrew Dice Clay’s voice
Hickory dickory dock dis chick was su…
Definitely- I could see it.
NSFW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
F YOU Albert.
Adam Beasley @AdamHBeasley
Albert on the defensive line: “It has to happen now.”
Albert was asked by Manso about this week. “I’m going to help this team when it’s time.”
Albert: “Was I ready to come back for the first game? Who knows. There’s a lot that goes into it.”
Branden Albert: “We have to make a decision right now of who we want to be as a team.”
I could have said Paul Hogan .
He’s Aussie isn’t he?
Yep.
That IS south- also, another hemisphere entirely, but south..
Guess who?
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/9LuDp.6KfxKkmA3MANVW1w–/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0x/http://media.zenfs.com/en-us/homerun/etonline.tv/0e97117dcda417f40b3f7ee812bf312f
I saw that yesterday- dude is kicked back in his retirement!
yup
sb7mvp says:
September 29, 2015 at 12:48 pm
I read this in Michael Caine’s voice.
I stopped reading after he compared ‘I would rather lower my private parts into a mincer than experience any of it again.’ to watching the dolphins
one is a some what fun playful experience that can be enjoyed with mixed company and an alcoholic beverage of your choosing and the other is a torturous event watching a bunch of overpaid football players disappoint you
LOL
And if you have a sippy cup you won’t spill a drop! (Remember Patrick speaking of the old days?!?)
Jordan Cameron must feel like he’s still on the Browns.
Afternoon Update
DOLPHINS-JETS
N/A 21-20 NYJ
Try 27-13 NYJ
UK 24-17 MIA
Howie 33-20 MIA
Bold 24-17 NYJ
MikeE 27-20 NYJ
Piggy 42-0 MIA
Old 27-16 NYJ
Book 35-13MIA
GO PHINS!!!
Boulder who was that, kinda looks like Coyle?
dave Letterman.
OMG, it hardly looks like him but now that I know it looks exactly like him.
Ok, so Mike i missed a question from you the other day about what QB’s i would like better than Tanny. This is a hard question to answer because our team is what it is, and i dont put a lot of Tanny’s failures on him as much as i do Lazor. So i think the best answer for me would be to say who i would like better and why. This is going to be a big post, sorry for those who hate reading.
Im leaving out the marqee names. It would be rediculous to even pose the question, “Tanny or Rodgers”. “Tanny or Brady”, etc. So i will just list those i feel make any team better. Rodgers, Brady, P. Manning (though its irrlevenat after next year i think), Brees, Ryan, Rivers, Big Rape, Luck.
Then you got those i think are superior talent to Tanny but maybe some things like age/future cuts them out of consideration,. Carson Palmer, Romo. E. Manning.
Then cut out the guys that are too new to truly evaluate. Bortles, Carr, Winston, Mariota, Bridgewater, Taylor. I will say i have been a fan of Carr an Bortles since they were drafted, i knew we wouldnt and never suggested us taking either due to having Tanny but im liking how they are progressing better than Tanny currently.
Lastly throw out those that shouldnt even be in the convo. McCown, Cutler, Fitz, Mallett.
This leaves Dalton, Newton, Wilson, Foles, Cousins, Flacco, Bradford and Smith.
Off that list, i can scratch off both Foles and Cousins right off, i dont see their ceiling as high as Tanny’s and ordinaily their ouput isnt as good either.
Flacco is over paid but if he were same cost as Tanny, id probably prefer him slightly over Tanny due to big game experience, and slightly better passing ability.
Bradford would be higher, i think his passing ability, ability to read defenses and overall skill is just better, only downside i think would be a guy who can take hit after hit vs one that get hits, hits the ground and then hits IR.
Smith, i dunno i dont really see and upside to Smith, he’s a game manager, so i just think id rather roll with Tanny, but its somewhat close decision.
Finally Wilson. I have for past few years looked at Wilson and have seen a guy i never think can bring his team back from a defecit, and thats pretty much true, he’s not the kind of guy who’s going to do that. I also saw him as about on the same level as Tanny athletically. Tanny has more prototypical size, Russell is more football smart and quicker making him more slippery. I honestly had alsways had them on abotu the same level but with recent shit i have seen Tanny unable to do, and consistently so, im beginning to feel Wilson definitely has an advantage over him. I also think Wilson seems to be more of a gamer than Tanny. End of the day, id rather have Wilson with his contract than Tanny with his.
This isnt to say i think we should give up on Tanny, obviously we cant and i dont want to, but we definately need to get someone that can better utilize his talents and develop him better. Lazor has done shit in both respects there, he showed flashes last year, and those flashes looked really great, but here we are this year and he still throws behind the receivers, on crossing routes to the outside, we still see him missing receivers on the outside throwing it wide of the line and giving them 0 chance to cathc it inbounds, we still see him miss fades horribly, and we still see him force throws in coverage instead of taking wide open outlet receivers. His time in the pocket is not so horribly off what other QB’s get, he just inst processing ad making a decision as fast as elite guys do. He’s not adjusting ot he pocket collapse or anticipating and moving accordingly. He more panic runs than calmly moving up in the pocket. Watch his feet, watch his eyes and hands. When he finally does make a mve in the pocket he is scrambling not stepping up.
Cam>Tanny
Son ducks
Oh i forgot to talk about Cam. I didnt agree when this same question was posed before the season. At the end of last season i liked Tanny over Cam but im sliding the other way now. I dont think Cam works great in our system, but comparing apples to apples and Tanny’s regression, id probably vote for Cam now.
I liked how you broke down to the viable QB’s and I agree.
If Bradford played behind this OL he would be in the ICU.
LOL. he’d be in ICU in the preseason.
LOL, here is an article which headlines Week 3 overreactions. It starts with “Fire Joe Philbin”, but I guess they couldn’t actually come up with a reason not to because it just talks about the Jest game instead.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/week-3-nfl-overreactions-fire-joe-philbin/ar-AAeSLHK
Someone was asking yesterday abotu the Bears and whom they might have that we would want. I see a bunch, Matt Forte as my numbr 1. Kyle Long 2, Matellus Bennet 3, Kyle Fuller 4, Jon Bostic 5
Taking on a big contract is why we didn’t sign Mathis. I don’t see itbut those 5 are good players.
Bostic is a Pat now.
I’d consider Bennett cause Sims isn’t getting it done.
D,
I think I like Cam as well over tanny right now. Cam has shown he can win big games both in college and pros.
how about Mike shula as a HC candidate? HE would need a great DC but I like his offense in carolina.
I like Mike and have kept yelling at UCF to get him. It would be quite the homecoming and he never had many good receivers there either.
D
I disagree
Titans coach Ken Whisenhunt said the team will “continue to integrate” rookie WR Dorial Green-Beckham into the offense.
Despite Harry Douglas turning 16 targets in 53 yards so far this season, Green-Beckham has yet to play more than 15 snaps in a game. Whisenhunt said the Titans do not want to “overload” the rookie, but at some point they have to put the best talent on the field. The Titans will hopefully use the bye week to get Green-Beckham ready for an increased role Week 5.
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The kid has 2 TD’s on just 3 receptions….can you say Red Zone threat!
Parker had two catches in garbage time. Can you say clueless coaches?
Nothing about this team gives me hope at this point…other than it’s only been 3 weeks. It could still turn around, but unfortunately I don’t think it will this week. And a quick thought about Wake. I’ve always thought he is a one-trick pony with only an outside speed rush. That’s easy to neutralize with the right technique – especially if he’s not going at 100%, then even the mid-level tackles will be able to handle him. Here’s to hoping this gets fixed.
Howie: 31 – 16 Jets
RT really is not the problem right now with this team.
Totally agree. That does not mean he can’t play better but imo he is not the reason why we are 1-2.
Agreed. We’ve now put him full court press mode and that’s not a good thing. He’s going to try to make plays when maybe they’re not there because we can’t afford to lose this game in London.
Even though the D sucks right now we still only average about 15 points a game, that ain’t gettin it done.
True but it all starts up front then through the skill players. Not enough plays being made by the entire offense.
mike
just a bit of advice. if you read D’s response to you by the time you are done the point will be moot, most of those guys will be retired by the time you are done.
Everything will work out fine
It takes time
It will be fine by and by
Sorry Joe the door is slamming shut.
Try the round peg in the square hole
it might save your job.
Joe needs to try and get his coordinators back to fundamental football 101….then scale up from there instead of this exotic BS and talk of scaling back from that some,.
Would be nice to start seeing the players contest plays and win one on one battles too.
D
I don’t really disagree with everything, I just wanted to respond to your 10,000 word post with one word. 🙂
I feel sorry for the Brits this weekend….
If the NFL is trying to win audiences, then why schedule a shit fest between two crap teams.
They should have scheduled Packers & Seahawks or Broncos….smh!
Mike E. says:
September 29, 2015 at 2:01 pm
D
I don’t really disagree with everything, I just wanted to respond to your 10,000 word post with one word. 🙂
stick with your day job. ‘i disagree’ is two words
I think that is where the disconnect occurs here. I agree- Tannehill is not the problem. The problem seems to be no sense of purpose by players, coaches, schemes, management. But Tanne does make mistakes that do cause problems. I think when the noise gets so loud in here, it can seem like people are saying he’s a major issue. He’s just a guy put in a bad situation trying to make the best of it within the scheme and skill set he has.
Pretty much agree (golf clap) ^
lol at taking cam over tanny. i think other then maybe landry i would take pretty much replace every player on the team with someone else in the nfl. hell we could replace most of the o line with some of the ladies from sunday night bingo and get more fight out of them
i dont see tanny any worse or better then last year. however i see the o line way worse, the d line went from average to one of the worst i have ever seen. and had no idea they decided to not sign any linebackers this year. as far as the secondary, well at least miko is still consistent
try,
i agree with that. and also the qb is always the easiest of conversation starters.
…or conversation enders in Omar’s case. Oh wait…. 😯
Tim, im not saying that Tanny is THE problem. I have been on the coaches, and thats who i think most of the blame resides on, but Tanny DOES have issues and they Do contribute to the overall failures of this team. I personally think both the coordinators have shit the bed and wallowed in it starting with game 1. I felt ok after game 1 thinking ah they will get it strightened out, but then game 2, more of the same and not even as much as half time adjustments with success later. Then game 3 which i would have never in a million years expected such a disgusting display of incompetence.
Look ya see a team come out stale, not really moving the ball well, especially early in the year, and you can say well maybe they hd hid part of they play book well and we planned for what we saw in tapes so far. We missed the mark, lets backup and adjust. When that adjustment doesnt happen through the entire first half, you start to think well they really are trying to push this gameplan so second half of the game is set up properly, but you should be pretty concerend seeing them bang their heads on a wall and keep doing it. When they come out in the second half with the same shit, and at the same time they find a little success doing B but they go right back to A, there is a real fucking problem. I geared this more at the offensive play calling but unfortunately for us its a both sides of the ball issue.
Yes, the offensive (phew) play calling is the culprit when we have the ball. No wonder Tanny has had a few issues in the Buffalo game. He’s being constantly put into a position to fail.
Cause he misses an open guy or over throws a guy on a few plays doesn’t mean he’s regressing. It a cause and effect of the previous shit plays and flow of the game that he’s been put into.
how different did the packers look last night than the garbage we have going on here in miami. Did philbin learn nothing when he was there? Did you see Rodgers get the other team twice with 12 man on the field. I’m sure that’s something they’ve practiced. How many times has phiblin run team done that?
Packers players seemed to actually care about playing well and winning. Dolphins players seem to be just punching the clock and going through the motion.
I just can’t understand why philbin was kept the last 2 years. I hope ross loses millions when he decides to sell this team.
getterdone says:
September 29, 2015 at 2:42 pm
…or conversation enders in Omar’s case. Oh wait…. :sho
i dont know who that is
OL isnt way worse comparing it to when we lost Albert last year. Our OL is improved from last year for sure. I know you see running game not working and think OL but i can point out several places where Miller has been ineffective in finding the gap and hitting it. I can also show ou where Gray and his N/S runing style averaged over 5 YPC last week behind the same line, against a better DL.
Play calling is putting every player at a disadvantage right now. OL isnt playing well but its not completely on them.
Also, as Realist eluded to- I’ve not wanted to say it, as he has been the closest thing to an identity we’ve had on defense, but it’s true- Wake is and has always been a “one-trick pony”. He specializes in te outside speed-rush. He does not have another move. I used to have a friend named Ray. Ray was a good looking guy, chicks dug him instantly, and he was a good dude. But Ray ad one move on the dance floor. Wake is a beast- physically, he looks like a cartoon with his freakishly-formed arms and his angular figure. Put he only has one move, and I assume Realist is right when he says once you figure out how to neutralize that move, you have negated his effect. the dude can’t set the edge effectively, nor can he drop into coverage legitimately. And now we more or less have him on a snap count so as to try to keep him effective for a long season. I hate to say it, but there it is.
When I say “drop into coverage” I mean try to cover a TE or back out of the back field in the short game. I am no defensive genius, so forgive me if I expressed myself poorly.
D, on your 2:42 post.
Yes, the offensive (phew) play calling is the culprit when we have the ball. No wonder Tanny has had a few issues in the Buffalo game. He’s being constantly put into a position to fail.
Cause he misses an open guy or over throws a guy on a few plays doesn’t mean he’s regressing. It a cause and effect of the previous shit plays and flow of the game that he’s been put into.
Yeah but when Tanny does it consistently like the 4 fades in a row, or the several behind the receiver plays (means he’s not throwing to a spot, he’s throwing to the guy) or the several out of bounds throws then the receiver was in good position for the outside catch, it is regressing. Those arent play call mistakes. Lemme list a few examples.
Cameron streak up the seam for a would be TD, he forces it to Matthews into double coverage. Made a nic thro doing it but WTF.
4th down, Landry WIDE open on outside for easy 1st down pickup,
Several thrwos behind receivers in the last game, one damn near getting Cameron lit up. That throw by itself wasnt supposed to be behind him, not even back shoulder, that was supposed to be to the outside on that play because it was the side the defende wasnt on, 1 and 2, its the side to hit them in stride for run after catch. Was a couple more of those last game.
Back to the fades. Yes stupid for Lazor to keep going with that and not do a rollout, and even stupider that he did it 4 fucking times, but that is a pass that a QB should be able to throw. Other QB’s can make that throw, so it is a person deficiency, not just scheme. All those i listed above are player inefficiencies not just play calling affecting him.
The difference between the Packers and Dolphins is Tannehill is not Rodgers and the Packers have a history of winning in recent years. They have some up and down years but they’re always in the mix. They’re an established team. They know how to win. We haven’t gotten to that point unfortunately.
You know what really sucks, during the week we like to discuss what we need to do to win etc. but none of us know WTF is going on with this team or what to expect so it takes away that weekly fun. I have nothing to say about what we need to do because they’re not doing it and I don’t know if they will or can. That fuckin blows!!!! 😦
A ship without a rudder…
Sailors who forgot how to sail.
“..a foot without a big toe.”
The main difference is coaching. The packers have it and we don’t. Rodgers didn’t invent getting the snap done when he sees the 12th man running out of bounds. Somebody coached him to do that. What has philbin done? nothing. nada, zilch.
Philbin coached Rodgers for 5 years as OC and was there when Rodgers finally took over the reigns in 2008. I know he didn’t call the plays, but he worked closely with him and Rodgers took off when they moved on from Favre. But I know nobody here will give him any credit for that.
Scurvy dogs.
James Walker ✔ @JamesWalkerNFL
According to stats after three games, #Dolphins can’t run or stop the run and can’t pass-rush or protect their QB. Not a winning formula.
No really? LOL
yea but do you see any gum wrappers on the phins sidelines? case closed LOL
Try, we need to also realize that Wake is 33 & will be 34 in Jan.
We do. But his game is what it is.
True, but he’s got more than 1 move…
Between his sore hammy & Coyle not scheming him correctly, is what has him less effective right now…IMO.
Well, I suppose he does have that move where he runs towards the qb but gets stopped by the lineman… lol
Excuse me. I have ADHD 😛
I tried really hard to find a pirate pattern on her butt or even crawling out her butt but i never found one. I think they tricked us.
getterdone says:
September 29, 2015 at 2:50 pm
D, on your 2:42 post.
Yes, the offensive (phew) play calling is the culprit when we have the ball. No wonder Tanny has had a few issues in the Buffalo game. He’s being constantly put into a position to fail.
Cause he misses an open guy or over throws a guy on a few plays doesn’t mean he’s regressing. It a cause and effect of the previous shit plays and flow of the game that he’s been put into.
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D says:
September 29, 2015 at 3:02 pm
Yeah but when Tanny does it consistently like the 4 fades in a row, or the several behind the receiver plays (means he’s not throwing to a spot, he’s throwing to the guy) or the several out of bounds throws then the receiver was in good position for the outside catch, it is regressing. Those arent play call mistakes. Lemme list a few examples.
Cameron streak up the seam for a would be TD, he forces it to Matthews into double coverage. Made a nic thro doing it but WTF.
4th down, Landry WIDE open on outside for easy 1st down pickup,
Several thrwos behind receivers in the last game, one damn near getting Cameron lit up. That throw by itself wasnt supposed to be behind him, not even back shoulder, that was supposed to be to the outside on that play because it was the side the defende wasnt on, 1 and 2, its the side to hit them in stride for run after catch. Was a couple more of those last game.
Back to the fades. Yes stupid for Lazor to keep going with that and not do a rollout, and even stupider that he did it 4 fucking times, but that is a pass that a QB should be able to throw. Other QB’s can make that throw, so it is a person deficiency, not just scheme. All those i listed above are player inefficiencies not just play calling affecting him.
Point is, this team has 0 excuse for playing so poorly. My vote is coaching from what i have seen. The player play can be corrected, but again it takes good coaches to work those issues out.
I am glad however to see no one trying to run the GM’s out, and not a shit ton of Ross comments, so seems like we all are more focused than we have been on assigning blame.
D,
ok yeah you convinced me miller has been horrible too. who else? like i said other then landry, i agree everyone else has been horrible.
and not this this year, we forget or just havent mentioned they maybe 1-2 but look back over the last 5 games (last two from last year) and this team has played 5 horrible games in a row. so when i want a coaching change now, it isnt too early IMO. 5 games is enough to tell me nothing is going to change
My list is Landry, Cameron, and Jones. Jenkins hasnt been bad, but im biased lol.
getter,
i didnt see a pirate but i did see lots of booty
…and a mighty fine booty it was matey.
PS. The pirate is a guy walking way down the bottom of the hill wearing a pirates hat…but who gives a Sh**
GD, now the coaches forgot how to scheme Wake who’s been doing what’s he’s been doing for years and has been voted one of the top 100 players for I don’t know how many years running? Now the coaches don’t know how to use him? Come on, Wake isn’t playing well along with a lot of other players.
D says:
September 29, 2015 at 3:10 pm
My list is Landry, Cameron, and Jones. Jenkins hasnt been bad, but im biased lol.
tell you what, cause i am that kind of guy, i will give you jenkins too. now we need just 49 other guys.
tim,
but if the players did forget how to play at least they had some knowledge to forget.
Any of you get a chance to take a close look at Vigil. I didnt watch him closely but i dodnt remember him looking bad either.
Vigil looks good, but he’s young & raw….he’s gonna be up & down all year.
Still can’t believe they dumped Tripp so quickly. He must have told Coyle your defense blows!
PS. The pirate is a guy walking way down the bottom of the hill wearing a pirates hat…but who gives a Sh**
there was a hill in that picture?
Yes! Very nice fleshy supple mounds of female hills.
Tim Knight says:
September 29, 2015 at 3:10 pm
GD, now the coaches forgot how to scheme Wake who’s been doing what’s he’s been doing for years and has been voted one of the top 100 players for I don’t know how many years running? Now the coaches don’t know how to use him? Come on, Wake isn’t playing well along with a lot of other players.
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Yes & No….Coyle was axed by Philbin to simplify the D system & calls. Everyone seems out of sync. There’s no rhythm no momentum.
Suh isn’t exactly playing at his normal pro bowl level either.
I know, but on defense I don’t think scheme is the issue. On offense, I do. We don’t impose our will on offense with the run game, guys making plays after the catch etc. We say oh shit we’re down early let’s try everything and anything. Stick with your bread & butter and then add a wrinkle.
I don’t see us imposing our will on Defense either…what, just 1 sack after 3 game…are you kidding me.
Teams consistently converting 3rd and long…WTF!
Plus we keep getting run on, teams usually control TOP.
as bad as this team has been for 5 games, there is absolutely no way you can point a finger at just the coaches or players. you cant be this bad without it being a combination of both.
Bad coaching makes good players look bad….rarely do you see bad players make bad coaches look good….lol
you mean bad players make good coaches look bad?
Ahoy!
Oink me some booty
I see you like a very small booty matey.
FFR, it’s both for sure because the team is out of sync for whatever reason. Playing DL isn’t that complicated, it’s physical and demands skill. We have physical and skill, they’re not getting it done up front. We all see it. A DC can’t scheme for physical and skill unless the players bring it. I’m not seeing it and it baffles me.
getter,
yep i agree, bad coaching is the problem
tim,
yep i agree, under performing players is the problem
Glad we could all agree to this clusterfuk aka Dolphins!
hey what about OD I agree Ross is the problem 😉
Not when it comes to money and staying mostly out of the team personnel dept.
Tim
I feel like your argument cuts both ways though. I know Suh didn’t forget how to play, and neither did Earl Mitchell, yet both have ben completely neutralized. Is it because of where they’re supposed to be, and what they’re trying to do, or because they just aren’t trying? Maybe because Vernon and Wake aren’t a threat so far, O-lines are just concentrating on keeping Suh and Mitchell occupied.
Yeah and that can’t happen. Good defenders don’t allow guys to push them around and neutralize them time and time again. Suh said allowing teams to run on you is personal. Well take it personally. What’s Coyle going to do, say okay Suh and Mitchell, play DT like we’ve been working on all TC, Wake and Vernon you do the same at DE? What do you want Coyle to do other than throw the kitchen sink all day. There are only so many things you can do with a front 4. We’ve done a few different things and still not winning matchups.
The only option for a DC when he has no pass rush is to blitz and that opens you up for big plays. Where’s the 4 man rush, that’s on the players?
Conundrum !
GD, on defense it’s about manning up. On offense Lazor fucks around with odd calls and puts us in situations where defenses can pin their ears back. To me it’s totally different. Sacks from our DL come from physical and skill. Schemes aren’t going to make guys beat guys one on one. That’s on them. It’s not happening and nobody was talking about scheme when they were dominating in the PS.
gdp,
if spending money is all it took to win in the NFL there would be no losers. I think the one picking the idiots to run this team is the main problem.
I’m amazed at a bunch of you who have been watching football for a long time don’t see that we’re not competing one on one enough. We allow a 3-5 yard pass on 3rd and 12 go for 15 with missed tackle after missed tackle. That scheme is called missed tackles. You want to blame the coaches for not teaching fundamentals good enough, that’s totally fair but it’s not scheme. Players should also take pride in their craft. If players on this team are blaming scheme over performance than it’s not going to change.
That said I do not like what I’ve seen from Lazor because I think his system relies too much on reaction and not conviction. Asking our front 4 to get up field and disrupt is not rocket science or complicated. Our back end is not the strength of this defense so if the front 4 isn’t setting the tone, we get what we’ve seen.
I’m not saying the coaches are doing a great job because that would be ludicrous. But I see a lot of excuses for the players who are getting beat physically. Randy said it too because he’s never thought we had that much talent to begin with. What I see on the field is disheartening.
getterdone says:
September 29, 2015 at 4:06 pm
Conundrum !
Alex, What is the position you are left in when the condom breaks.
i left ross out cause i dont see how anything is done about that. it isnt like no matter how much fans bitch or dont spend money he is going to sell the team. albeit slim, the fans complaining and not showing up could have an effect on coaching. nothing a fan does effects ownership
GDP, he asked for simply and he got pussify.
Here is how you simplify a defense with the DL unit we have. Suh, go 3 technique and murder whomever has the ball. Coyle’s version. 2 technique and eat up blockers…my HS ran the same scheme lol.
De’s…Wake pin your ears back and hit the QB every fucking play that its legal. Vernon do the same but to the RB. Coyle’s version… make sure you have containment, then attack after the tackles have had all the time in the world to adjust.
LB’s…. watch your gaps, read and react aggressively, downhill attack. Coyles version….move side to side and make sure they cant cutback, tackle once they engage you and then push you 5 extra yards.
CB’s…… shallow man/press wear the WR like a rubber(we like most rubbers (FFR using a magnum doesnt automatically mean your going to be able to fill it). Coyle’s version, play so far off the WR that they cant get behind you but will be open for a 10 yard gain on every passing down.
S’s….. Protect your zone, spy the QB, read react on runs, and assist if a WR gets behind a CB. Coyles version: Pretty much the same…ill give him this one, they just aren’t playing it right.
Thats a simplified agressive defense. Coyles version: simplified pansie dont touch me defense. Im not a big fan of simplifying things in the NFL where top talent plays and where the players can recognize a simplified setup. I do agree you dont over-complicate it, but you damn sure dont make it so easy that people are already knowing how the play will unfold before the ball is snapped.
v ery good explanation – D
De’s…Wake pin your ears back and hit the QB every fucking play that its legal. Vernon do the same but to the RB. Coyle’s version… make sure you have containment, then attack after the tackles have had all the time in the world to adjust.
Please provide a simpleton explanation of what the DE’s were doing during 1st 2 series of delaying their rush a count or two while DT’s was shooting the gaps of c-g.
Tim
I’m not a defensive genius, but if opposing teams are able to neutralize your d-line, then occassionally bring pressure from somewhere else, and force them to adjust. Know what I mean. It’s like the equivalent of your LT being unable to block anyone, and not helping him with a TE or RB. Send the LB’s or S’s occasionally, to keep them honest.
Now your coming around to some of the stuff i was trying to say yesterday and its probably my fault for not explaining it clearer, but thats exactly what im seeing. They are position the DL wrong, asking them to go away from their strengths of penetrating the line and wasting talented players. Worse is he doesnt adjust at all for it, so its like he is hell bent on play the D like this even though its not working.
We do and that’s what’s baffling. We’ve blitzed LBs and DBs as well. But when it doesn’t work it wasn’t the right blitz. Players are failing and that’s what bothers me more than anything. To me coaches really earn their pay in key spots, not on basic downs. You either have the talent to compete or you don’t and right now I see a team that isn’t winning battles. Forget clock management and big situation decisions, we’re not playing fundamentally sound down to down and it sucks!
(FFR using a magnum doesnt automatically mean your going to be able to fill it)
bulllllsssshhhitttt, i can get that thing all the up to my bicep
LMAO
DL isnt that straight forward Tim, its just not. Look up DL techniques if you want to see more of what i mean. COmpletely different job lining up in different spots, and thats a straight setup, not twists stunts or shifts. I could line up as a 3 tech, 5 tech 1 tech, 2 tech…. each has a general role and specilized role depending on what the call from the LB is. LB could shift me and shift my ssignment from that other technique, again this is just base defenses and mixing up the formations a little. DE is a pretty simple position, you have pretyt much one job and you line up pretty much the same spot. I would agree that Wake is less about play call and more about not getting at it, and probably due to being hurt, but the DT’s are a different story.
D, do you not think Coyle knows what those are or that our vet starting DL doesn’t get it? They’ve had success. All of a sudden Coyle is saying let’s do whats totally wrong?
When he had all those different personnel packages with the speed packages etc. and we were sacking the shit out people Coyle got it but now he’s clueless? We simplified the defense because players complained there were too many substitutions and formations. Now they can’t beat guys one on one and it’s scheme again. Not buying it. They’re not playing well and until the players to a man look at themselves in the mirror and change it nothing will change. Football is not that complicated and trickery is a very small part of it.
here, this should make everything better
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-cheerleaders/ss-AA4I2jG
I think MikeE is at fault for this season. You guys remember when were were rocking it in PS, we had a different background. MikeE puts up this collage of our past success and it make the new team feel inferior. They are sulking. I DEMAND A CHANGE! 🙂
I may be at fault, but I didn’t put up the different backgrounds. C’mon, think headless children trying on hats . . . lol
I KNEW WE SHOULD HAVE MADE BACON!
and BBQ sammiches.
and crispy fried pork chops…..
and honey baked ham……
damn pork is so tastey…..
D,
you seem to have a lot of football knowledge but i am going to have to point out when you are wrong.
this season is tim’s fault. this team was 1-0 and on the way to an undefeated season till he thru his timitch rant about the live chat and it got changed and the season is now basically over
D says:
September 29, 2015 at 4:41 pm
damn pork is so tastey…..
‘In restaurants everywhere, right this second, people are squeezing lemon wedges over crispy, golden, rings, dipping the rings into marinara sauce, and they’re eating hog rectum. Now they’re chewing — satisfied and deeply clueless. It’s payback for our blissful ignorance about where our food comes from and how it gets to us.’
Blasphemy
Everywhere I look
Blasphemy!!!
D and FFRob right now
FFR’s the chick….i called it first!
very good explanation above D
De’s…Wake pin your ears back and hit the QB every fucking play that its legal. Vernon do the same but to the RB. Coyle’s version… make sure you have containment, then attack after the tackles have had all the time in the world to adjust.
Please provide a simpleton explanation of what the DE’s were doing during 1st 2 series of delaying their rush a count or two while DT’s was shooting the gaps of c-g.
Pretty much they were just containing on plays. It looked liek they showed too much respect for Taylors ability to roll out on plays. They were first step upfield to keep him in the middle of the pocket but that also allowed the OT’s or get set and defend the delayed rush. Dt’s werent shooting the c-g gaps, Mitchell may have been, but Suh was in 3 tech and on the outside shoulder of the OG for a change.
D says:
September 29, 2015 at 5:00 pm
FFR’s the chick….i called it first!
no way. if i was the chick there would be no way i would be crying about it.
Thats sweat fool!
nm, its tears….yeah why are you crying thats kinda your thing swallowing sausage.
tim,
These are the players we have. You said the same thing last year. We got 25 new players and they’re still not winning one on one match ups. So what’s your solution? Get 53 new players next year and maybe philbin, lazor and coyle can get the new players to win their 1 on 1 match ups?
I agree, I do think its the players. The players are not giving their best effort for philbin to keep his job. That’s the problem. Yes its the players fault but that’s how it is in the NFL so either start watching college football or get a new coach that can get the best out of these players.
Boulder, I’m just going by what I see. I’m not a psychic. I’m a cock-eyed optimist every offseason, lol, but I will be objective when I watch the games. This is what I see. Coyle runs a popular 4-3 scheme that is being run all over the league. Players make it work or they don’t, it’s not that complex. Lazor runs a system I do not think takes advantage of Tanny’s skills or puts the offense in good situations. But like I’ve said it is what it is.
I was concerned heading into the season when evaluating the 53 man roster and not so much the 25 new players, it was 20 at the time, but the reliance on so many young players. Then our grizzled vets have let us down. Not a good combo.
I say the entire Miami Dolphins org has to get this shit straightened out and quick. 1-3, 0-2 in the DIV at home (London) and 0-3 in the AFC would be a horrible start and really tough to come back from. It sucks that this is the situation.
Tim Knight says:
September 29, 2015 at 5:06 pm
D, do you not think Coyle knows what those are or that our vet starting DL doesn’t get it? They’ve had success. All of a sudden Coyle is saying let’s do whats totally wrong?
When he had all those different personnel packages with the speed packages etc. and we were sacking the shit out people Coyle got it but now he’s clueless? We simplified the defense because players complained there were too many substitutions and formations. Now they can’t beat guys one on one and it’s scheme again. Not buying it. They’re not playing well and until the players to a man look at themselves in the mirror and change it nothing will change. Football is not that complicated and trickery is a very small part of it.
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I understand that man, i dunno, i cant make sense out of it either, but i do know Suh is almost always in 3-tech, he was in Detroit and in PS for us, but he had him in 2 most the time in first two games. I cant explain how you take probably the best 3-tech guy in the NFL and move him inside. I cant explain why he did it but he did it. Buffalo he didnt do it as much and there was a little (not a ton) more pressure from inside. They corrected for it and had 2-3 sets of hands on Suh most the time, this should have made Wake’s job cake. Problem is we didnt get much pass pressure from outside so he hung back in the back of the pocket all day having tons of time to get throws off.
We also gave him easy dump offs for first downs by playing 15 off the WR on left side. He had guaranteed first down yardage on passing plays and a lot of time to find a better option first.
Mitchell plays the 0-1 in our scheme most of the time he was a former NT in HOU. Also wondering why Suh gets cut so often now that he’s a Phin? When did this start? Coaches can’t change that. He plays inside, the offense can approach him anyway they want. You can’t move him off the line because that makes so sense. So what do you do?
The whole thing is bizarre to me. I really hope it’s the injuries with Wake and Vernon and once feeling better it starts to work. Vernon thought his injury (ankle) was going to be season ending at first, that’s how it felt to him. Wake lacks the explosion right now with his hammy. We better hope it’s that.
I didn’t see Suh cut but 1 or 2 times in Buffalo game. But he was doubled and tripled team and yet if you rewatch the game you will see he was off right(1st) at the snap whereas the other players haven’t moved yet.
LOL, I saw this before.
Roger appears to have put on some weight since the last time I saw him. ..
Watering doesn’t burn as many calories as you would think . . .
jetsucks, I’ll admit I bailed at half-time because I knew we were done. I moved onto other things. The ends are not collapsing the pocket and the back-end is still trying to figure itself out. It is what it is.
D-very good explanation above Thanks. Maybe we can have a football 101 blog with you explaining the finer defensive schemes for the simpletons. My wife knows more than most on this board.
Does she?
It’s one of the reason’s I married her.LOL
Maybe jetssuck’s wife should replace Philbin
she already works 60-80 hours a week I don’t think she would be open to working 20-30 more hours a week
I rewatched the game to watch the OL and DL and LB’s. It was the first time I have seen them doing this. The schemes changed during the game up to 12 times but during the 1st 2 series the DE’s delayed making a move on snap count. It was game planned.
What is the identity of Miami’s defense? This group hasn’t shown the ability to do anything particularly well and has a lot of growing to do after three games.
“I don’t think we’ve shown our identity yet to be quite honest with you,” Coyle said. “We’ve been playing on our heels a little bit throughout the past three games. We haven’t just been able to go out and attack. I think that’s something that we need to address as we move forward. Eliminate the thinking and just let guys to just go out there and play football. Hopefully that will show what our guys are capable of doing as we move forward.”
The Dolphins are toast this season if they continue to play this poorly on defense. This group was expected to be the strength of the team, especially after the major acquisition of Suh. But currently the defense and offense aren’t complementing each other well.
Philbin remains confident Coyle and his staff can get the Dolphins going in the right direction.
“I believe in the coaching staff that I have in place right now,” Philbin said. “I think they’re the men that can come up with the solutions to the problems. We’re not playing well. Let’s stick to the process and development.”
The Miami Dolphins have one of the NFL’s worst defenses one month into the season.
The Dolphins are ranked 26th in total defense and 30th against the run entering Week 4. Miami has three Pro Bowlers on defense — Ndamukong Suh, Cameron Wake, Brent Grimes — and solid starters throughout such as safety Reshad Jones, linebacker Jelani Jenkins and defensive end Olivier Vernon. Yet, this group has failed to live up to their potential thus far.
Miami’s worst defensive performance of the season occurred Sunday during its 41-14 blowout loss to the Buffalo Bills. The Dolphins (1-2) allowed 428 total yards, including 151 rushing yards by the Bills on the ground.
Yes!
My rely was to the last two paragraphs.
what’s philbin gonna say. I hate this coaching staff that I picked. We should fire em all now!! LOL
I’ll agree better times are needed
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#Dolphins make it official on depth chart: Rishard Matthews = starter ahead of Kenny Stills. Greg Jennings still starter over DeVante Parker
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Albert tells me he ‘probably’ could have used another month to rehab, but has no regrets about returning for Week 1
his new injury has nothing to do with his knee surgery. Ask any chiefs fan. Albert is injured most of the time.
maybe he can be convinced to play guard like he played in his college career. Speaking of guard did anyone notice who provided the long TD run in the 4th quarter. It was a completely flawless run blocking play with Dark Richie pulling and getting to LB which he nailed to spring RB
Retired Dolphins cornerback Patrick Surtain held little back about this year’s team during a Q&A at Touchdown Club Tuesday.
He challenged the current players to show the type of leadership that Dolphins like Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas exhibited during times of crisis.
But he also said that “they’re taking on the personality of the head coach right now. Something has to change. It has to come from a player in the locker room.”
When asked if Philbin is the right coach for this team, Surtain responded:
“I don’t know if there is a message. What’s the message? He’s not that vocal guy like a Jim Harbaugh or a guy like that. … Jimmy [Johnson] had us on pins and needles. You had to perform or you were out the door.”
unless things change quickly, this is gonna go downhill fast like sparanos last year as dolphins HC.
Coyle needs to be on the field like last year instead of in the booth. Our OC is not a rah rah coach on sidelines. The new DL coach is not either. Secondary coach and Special Teams coaches are ignored except by their groups.
coyle needs to be at home watching the game.
BTW I thought tanny and suh were suppose to be these leaders. It seems to me the got their money and are content instead of standing up and saying something to these players that show no effort. BE A LEADER!!
Suh has never been a vocal leader. From what a read about the guy he is a lead by showing up on the field another words a silent leader. He’s out his element having to do all these interviews and press conferences.
That is so contrived. LOL
Hey how was celebration around town with Mets winning division. Is everyone on cloud 9 still?
Mike E. says:
September 29, 2015 at 6:50 pm
Maybe jetssuck’s wife should replace Philbin
why, there is no way the pats will trade brady to them
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/news/nfls-deflategate-appeal-to-be-heard-in-february-court-order/ar-AAeVICs?li=AAa0dzB
anybody shocked by this. i may not know as much football as jetssuck wife, but i said from day one, he wont be suspended. the nfl will make sure he is in the SB and win it back to back then he will retire. not looking to bad so far, even if i am a simpleton
Master smart
Boulder,
Albert’s hammy issue is very likely due to his still healing knee surgery. He probably needed more time for conditioning before being pressed into starting.
But it is what it is.
Agreed. Often times there is a correlation between injuries. Especially between hamstring and knee. A weak knee definitely places more pressure on a hamstring. Also was he able to condition his hamstring as he normally would if his knee was not healthy.
during my PT they have ropes with a belt like Jarvis is wearing but they have ropes on both sides and behind me so I can learn to keep my balance.
So we were 1-2 at this point last year with a trip to London coming with talk of benching Tannehill and firing Philbin. Deja vu.
Wake appears to be that kind that can be a vocal leader but he really needs to step up his own game before he can talk shit about anything to anybody.
Ken says:
September 29, 2015 at 7:41 pm
Master smart
lol but not to much football knowledge, i dont want to end up mrs jetssuckrob
Reshad Jones too
Maybe not the leader but I am not seeing anything from him this year so far.
He’s my big play man and I am very dissapointed.
Shit, all those times Mcain was getting burned he should have come over to help.
jetssuck
My guess would be your wife would quit her other job when she takes over to coach the Dolphins. Unless her other job pays more.
I’m trying to get her to retire as we planned many moons ago but she enjoys her job.
Nightly Update
DOLPHINS-JETS
N/A 21-20 NYJ
Try 27-13 NYJ
UK 24-17 MIA
Howie 33-20 MIA
Bold 24-17 NYJ
MikeE 27-20 NYJ
Piggy 42-0 MIA
Old 27-16 NYJ
Book 35-13MIA
Real 31-16 NYJ
GO PHINS!!!
ken
Deja vu is more when you say, hmmmm i think i have seen this before. this is just more like a rerun of the same ole bad movie, we know what is going to happen
So how much money is Vernon not going to make next year?
Ken says:
September 29, 2015 at 7:44 pm
So we were 1-2 at this point last year with a trip to London coming with talk of benching Tannehill and firing Philbin. Deja vu.
Reply
Great point.
But man, we got to get rid of the bad deja vu’s with this team….lol
It didn’t really turn out all that well for us.
I remember all the pre-season talk about how much trouble we will have re-signing Vernon. Now the talk will be does anyone want to re-sign him?
Hulk could have talked about Vernon, Wake, Bryce McCain, the LBs. So much Hulk could have talked about today.
Nice Rant Ken!
for jestssuck from ESPN:
The earliest the league’s appeal will be heard in the Tom Brady case is February 1.
That’s Super Bowl week. It means the matter could be decided before the 2016 season, but more appeals would also loom.
That’s when the appeal would be heard by the 2nd circuit court of appeals. It will take months for them to issue a decision.
thanks, I saw this earlier. Any of you following the Bowe Bergdahl deserter case. I go to the VFW and their is lots of anger being generated with this case. I have even heard a march on Washington plan
Ken says:
September 29, 2015 at 7:53 pm
So how much money is Vernon not going to make next year?
is he still playing? i thought he retired
No he is an impact player. He gets called for a terrible penalty when we need it least.
Redskins signed ILB Mason Foster.
Foster went to training camp with the Bears but was left off the 53-man roster. Coming off a lousy year with the Buccaneers, the former third-round pick will provide inside linebacker depth behind starters Keenan Robinson and Perry Riley.
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We could use help inside, but I guess Hickey didn’t like or can’t convince the coaches to have a need for him???