The Wedge Scouting Report: Su’a Cravens, Safety/LB

Oh those Pesky Belusian Gopher Flies!  Like any good intergalactic agent – I shoot a photon missile directly at a planet.  I know its not the most creative way to destroy a planet…but I love watching the way the planet explodes.

Except mid air…out of nowhere a Gopher Fly grabs the missile and takes it away before it makes contact.  Light years away I see an explosion in the direction the fly went.

That must be what a pick six feels like.

space-explosion

Then days later…I found out that one of the Alpha Alien’s favorite vacation moons has exploded after it was hit by MY MISSILE!

And who gets blamed for that!

I don’t even know what those pests are…are they a rodent or an insect…

kinda reminds of some of the prospects I can’t place

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Su’a Cravens is a fascinating prospect.  In his freshmen year Cravens played Safety for USC, then USC switched him to Linebacker.

At both positions he excelled at USC.

So which is he in the NFL?

Well, I’ve seen him called the next Troy Polamalu.

And I think he fits the mold of a safety.

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 But not everyone agrees.  In fact I’m hearing a lot of NFL scouts are projecting him at Linebacker in the NFL.  Which surprises me.  But what do I know – I’m not even from your miserable planet.

Could it be that Cravens fits the mold of the new NFL pass covering linebacker?  Seems like this sort of Linebacker is more and more what the NFL wants out of the position in a pass happy NFL.

Cravens may not be the best coverage linebacker in the draft this year, that honor probably goes to his instate rival Myles Jack.  But Cravens is one of the best available this year and one of the best I can remember.

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But that is not the only thing Cravens did at USC.  Cravens had over 200 tackles in 3 years at USC.  He forced 4 fumbles and had over 10 sacks in the last two years while playing linebacker.  So this guy is pretty versatile and makes impact plays.

But how about those 9 career interceptions NFL scouts?  Don’t tell me that is not a safety I see in the field!

Well, scouts counter that by mentioning Cravens’ lack of speed.  In fact he is not expected to run a very fast 40 yard dash at the combine.

But then again, if Cravens runs a fast 40, I wonder if the Cravens at safety talk picks up?

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I expect Cravens to be picked int he first two rounds of the NFL draft.  There is even some talk he may go in the first round, but it’s too early to know.

What I do know is that Su’a Cravens reminds me of one of the pesky Belusian Gopher Flies.  That son of a bitch will pick it off and take it back for a touchdown! That’s his alien weapon of destruction!

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You can watch his highlights here to see what I mean

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1,338 Responses to The Wedge Scouting Report: Su’a Cravens, Safety/LB

  1. Mike E. says:

    Steve

    I’m not delusional. Yes, Kelvin Benjamin was injured, so what? He still had Devin Funchess, Jerricho Cotchery, Corey Brown and Ted Ginn Jr. , along with one of the best TE’s in football, Greg Olsen. Plus, he had a 1000x better O-line to work with. That and a consistent RB with excellent production from his RB’s game in and game out, and possibly the 2nd best defense in the NFL to keep every opposing team down. Add in the fact they play in a weak conference and in the worst, or 2nd worst division, you get a great year from Cam.

    How’s this – I’ll put my money where my mouth is. I’ll bet that Tannehill has within +/- 4 points in his QBR this next season VS Cam Newton – Let me know who’s in

    • steveccnv says:

      Wow, you think QBR is the end all of measuring QBs? His Oline was better, but I can’t evaluate RT for the 2015 season, Philbin fucked it up from the start, which made everything that happened, almost given a free pass.

      Olsen is a good TE, but you put him on our team and he’s no better than Cameron.

      • Mike E. says:

        It’s not everything Steve, but it’s the only way to measure just the QB’s performance. I can’t think of any other way to do it. Wins and Losses are a team stat. I don’t what other parameters we can use that make it fair?

  2. sb7mvp says:

    I wish you guys would quit taking my name in vain.

  3. Mike E. says:

    Oh, and Steve – GTFO of Cam’s ass, will ya! 🙂

  4. sb7mvp says:

    I can measure how awful of a human being I am by the amount of times I’ve watched the movie Armageddon and liked it.

  5. Mike E. says:

    Piggy

    Johnny “Douchebag” Manziel also won the Heisman. Next!

  6. steveccnv says:

    Dbolt, you say everything else besides the WRs on Carolina were top notch. That’s what we thought about the Redskins O the yr RGIII won the ROY. It’s funny how a great read option QB can make the rest of the offense look good. Then the next yr when Mr. III was able to run the read option the same way the offense struggled.

  7. wyoming85 says:

    PhinPhanatic ‏@PhinPhanatic 1m1 minute ago
    Like Dan Marino, Cam may never get back http://ift.tt/1QfBnfB

  8. Brian in NY says:

    I don’t think we thank Wyoming enough for his VERY important contributions to this blog.

  9. wyoming85 says:

    And with that I’m out!
    Go spend some time with your significant other you Fargin bastagus!

  10. dbolt48 says:

    Steve,
    Try and downplay the Panthers talent all you want, but Trai Turner, Ryan Kalil, Greg Olsen, Jonathan Stewart, Mike Tolbert were all voted to the pro bowl….not 9th or 10th alternates like our guys.

    Prior to the super bowl the interior of the Panthers OL hadn’t given up a single interior pressure in the previous 2 PO games. That OL played excellent this year and it’s because of them, let’s not give Cam credit for other people’s EARNED accomplishments.

    • Mike E. says:

      Well said

      • dbolt48 says:

        Thanks! I’m not going to take away from Cam’s play this year as it was great. That said I’m not taking away from the great play of other individuals neither.

      • steveccnv says:

        You’re not going to take away from Cam’s play this yr? You just did.

        Either way it’s your opinion, don’t mistake that for fact.

        You can’t compare what happened with our team and the Panthers, our disarray started from game one, saw a brief upside after the Philbin firing, but was in shambles mostly afterwards. I wasn’t trying to compare our 2015 team with them, but 2014 team.

        What Cam did have that we haven’t had in the last 4 yrs is a top notch D.

  11. Brian in NY says:

    OLB JAYLON SMITH
    NOTRE DAME
    42: R2P11
    ILB JOSHUA PERRY
    OHIO STATE
    73: R3P10
    RB DERRICK HENRY
    ALABAMA
    108: R4P9
    C NICK MARTIN
    NOTRE DAME
    147: R5P8
    S DEON BUSH
    MIAMI (FLA.)
    189: R6P11
    CB CYRUS JONES
    ALABAMA
    225: R7P6
    CB DAMONTAE KAZEE
    SAN DIEGO STATE
    229: R7P10
    C MATT SKURA

  12. Brian in NY says:

    Dbolt,

    I’m pretty good, thanks. I haven’t been on here much- I’ve had a few deaths in my family so between having to take time off from work and catching up, I haven’t had much time to blog about Cam Newton.

  13. 13kvFINS says:

    Fewer GINGER QB’s than ethnic in the league, Dalton/THill get no respect..
    Is GINGER a race ?? LOL
    I didn’t want Dalton in Miami’s heat cuz he was a GINGER..
    Wanted THill cuz I didn’t realize he was a GINGER…
    Wanted Newton & Kaepernick in the years before o12,
    the minute that Kaep went to SF THill’s similar skill-sets became my o12 target!!

    GIGGGITTTY, GOFINS!!!

  14. Mike E. says:

    Hey KV! I actually wanted us to draft lil Russel Wilson, but in the 5th RD. That obviously couldn’t happen as he was drafted in the 3rd. LOL @ GINGER’s

    • 13kvFINS says:

      WHOOAAAA just now realized something and no-wonder GINGERS don’t get some benefit of a doubt, while I have never in my life used the word !!
      But what’s GINGER spell inside-out??

      With ZERO disrespect intended toward any human being as I’m half Ginger/Irish Italian and about RWilsons height while understanding his race’s plight (to the best of my Honkey ability), and again have never in my life used such a word !!

      AQUA & ORANGE FOREVER, GOFINS!!!!!!

  15. Mike E. says:

    AFC East doesn’t play them Camolina Panthers very often, but head to head against the AFC East in 2013, when they were 12-4, they were 2-2 against the AFC East, winning 20-16 against the Dolphins, winning 30-20 against the Jets, but losing 24-23 to the Bills, and 24-20 to the Patriots. This is exactly what I mean. They mowed through the NFC, but when they played the AFC East, they just got by with a .500 record.

    • steveccnv says:

      Their D in 2013 was amongst the best in the league, their O sucked, with Cam being able to do enough to win games in the clutch, but he was mostly meh otherwise. In our game with them there were 4 things that happened that helped the Panthers win. 2 in each half, I don’t remember exactly what happened on the first one, but the Panthers got a more than favorable call in the endzone, with less than 5 minutes left in the half, and the Fins ready to blow open the game. In the last 10 seconds of the half and the ball on about the Panthers 35 yrd line, dumshit puts 5 guys inside our own 20 and lets Cam complete a wide open short pass that got them into FG range. On the Panthers last drive Philbin starting calling those stupid TOs, so instead of the Panthers playing for a tying FG they had time for a TD. On a crucial 3rd down play the Panthers WR was tackled short of the 1st down, but was given an unbelievable spot for a first down. We should’ve won this game going away.

  16. steveccnv says:

    So what you guys are saying is, if RT and Cam switched teams the Panthers would’ve still gone to the SB?

  17. dbolt48 says:

    Steve,
    Where did I discredit Cam at all?

    • dbolt48 says:

      Do you have an issue with his teammates making the pro bowl with their own play?

      • steveccnv says:

        You said these Panthers made the Pro Bowl, so the talent around him was good, when many people believe Cam was the reason for their success. Cam won the MVP for what he did and what he got out of his teammates. Midway through the yr when Brady was still in the race they were saying Cams the MVP, because of what he’s been able to do with the lack of talent around him.

        No, that’s the way it works, guys have good yrs and make the Pro Bowl. By your logic guys like Alvin Harper of the Cowboys could stand on their own 2 legs and make the Pro Bowl. We all saw what happened when he became a #1 WR.

        It’s not about them making it by their own play, my debate is why their play was what it was. So you don’t think some players make those around them better? You think we could take Ginn back and he’d get close to 10 TDs? Brady or Manning don’t elevate the play of those around them?

      • dbolt48 says:

        Absolutely disagree. He made his WRs better, but the guys who got in did it on their own merit. Do you want to give Cam credit for the defensive players also? Cam was the MVP, he was my choice as MVP, but your belief the guys who earned their pro bowl status on their Merit should be attributed to Cam…..Ill never buy. Those guys put in their time and dominated at their position & earned the recognition. You & I will not see eye to on this!

      • steveccnv says:

        We all know that when a team has a great yr lots of their players make the Pro Bowl, some guys don’t play any better than what they’ve played previously in their average to just above average careers, yet somehow, because of the team’s success they magically make the Pro Bowl.

        Everything isn’t because of Cam, but he’s more directly responsible for the O players on the Panthers making the Pro Bowl. The indirect part goes to the D, they had a lot to do with it too, as they had on Cam, without the great D of the Panthers I don’t think Cam wins the MVP.

  18. dbolt48 says:

    What did Cam have that we haven’t?

    Stable coaching, a great D as you mentioned, a great TE, this year a top flight OL.

    • dbolt48 says:

      By stable I meant sane😂

    • steveccnv says:

      I’m not comparing our 2015 team to the Panthers, we were in disarray, I was comparing 2014. I’m not buying the Panthers had a top flight OL, but it’s much better than anything RT has had. Dan Marino’s success/quick release made Webb/Sims Pro Bowlers.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Dude, don’t take away from Sims & Webb, they were all pros! If you don’t like Tannehill, so be it, but quit taking away from everything everyone else has earned.

      • steveccnv says:

        I don’t dislike Tannehill, you just can’t compare what he’s done with Cam. Do you think they’re comparable?

        Why can’t you give Cam his due? He had a great season, give him credit for what he did.

        Before the SB started they showed Dam on the sidelines, he looked a little nervous, not like a player that had been there before, and not just like any other game. He made his bed, but didn’t want to sleep in it. For that he’s a punk, but you can’t discount what he meant to that franchise the rest of the yr.

  19. Tim Knight says:

    Why did Mike Tolbert make the Pro Bowl, STs?

  20. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, Webb was one of the best pass protecting LTs I’ve ever seen play. He took his man out most of the time. He played Bruce Smith many times and he won most of the battles. Smith had the better of him in a few games but Webb kept him at bay most of the time.

    • steveccnv says:

      He kept him at bay most of the time, because Marino stepped up or got rid of it so quick the D had no chance to sack him. Webb was a very good LT, but without Marino I doubt he would’ve ever made a Pro Bowl. Well Marino was only sacked 11 times this yr, I guess his line is pretty good, lets vote the 2 best into the Pro Bowl.

      Because Bruce Smith was the best DE and he couldn’t get to Marino, they assumed Webb was doing a great job. Webb was below average in run blocking.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I watched him lock his man up Smith included many times. Many times it had nothing to do with Marino. He would have been a pro bowl player anywhere he played. Marino didn’t get rid of the ball in two seconds, it’s just that when he did his release was quick. Marino had a nice pocket to work with many times due to those guys up front.

      • steveccnv says:

        Players in the NFL don’t dominate their opponent on every play, nor do they do it on a 3rd of the plays, if that was the case Bruce Smith would’ve had 20 sacks per game. A DE that dominates his man 3 times a game and gets a sack on one of those is a hall of famer, so of course most of the time the LT and the DE are locked up.

        It’s hard to argue that Marino didn’t make Webb appear better than he was. Stephenson was the guy that got by on his own merit.

  21. Tim Knight says:

    I do hope Myles Jack falls to us and here’s a scenario that shows how it could happen.
    http://gbnreport.com/2016-first-round-projection/

  22. dbolt48 says:

    Steve,
    I said he was the MVP, that’s all the credit he needs. I will not give him credit for other guys accomplishments though.

    • steveccnv says:

      So you don’t think it’s possible for any player to make other players better? Steve Nash didn’t make Stoudemire? Brady didn’t make his receivers better?

      • Tim Knight says:

        Edelman is good on his own because of how quick he is in short spaces so he gets open quickly. I could argue Edelman and Welker made Brady’s job easier. Brady didn’t make Randy Moss better either, he was already great before he got there. And Gronk also makes Brady’s job easier, not the other way around. Good talent works in concert together.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Steve,
        You’re making it out that Cam was playing with quadrapalgic senior citizens who had the runs. Is there an issue with players being good on their own?

  23. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, Richmond Webb didn’t make the pro bowl because of Marino’s quick release, he made it being voted by his peers who played against him and coaches who knew how good he was.

    Look at his honors, come on!!!

    UPI AFL-AFC Rookie of the Year (1990)
    7× Pro Bowl selection (1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996)
    4× All-Pro selection (1992, 1993, 1994, 1995)
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    Miami Dolphin Honor Roll

  24. Rockphin says:

    I just got done watching “We are Marshall” for the first time. I only have one thing to say.

    GO THUNDERING HERD! (although they only won one more game that whole season LOL)

  25. Mike E. says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 14, 2016 at 5:07 pm (Edit)

    Why did Mike Tolbert make the Pro Bowl, STs?
    *************************
    Because of Cam Newton silly! Everyone on that team sucks, it’s all Cam. lol

    • Tim Knight says:

      LOL, but what happened to Cam in the Super Bowl then?

      • Mike E. says:

        That’s easy Tim, the REAL Cam Newton showed up, not Superman who played that easy schedule. Sucks when you have to play real teams with real defenses, doesn’t it?

    • dbolt48 says:

      I’m just trying to figure out why players can’t be good enough to make the pro bowl on their own. Are these the types of Convis I was missing when I was gone?

  26. Tim Knight says:

    Let’s just say we don’t release everyone on the team due to perceived high cap numbers. As of right now this is the making of our offense.

    LT Albert
    LG?
    C Pouncey
    RG?
    RT James
    TE Cameron
    WR Landry
    WR Parker
    WR Stills
    QB Tannehill
    RB Ajayi

    That’s without signing a FA or re-signing Miller or drafting anyone. We have the ability to be a pretty damn good offense if we can get better guard play.

  27. Mike E. says:

    I continue to read articles suggesting Cameron is going to be cut. Of course it’s all conjecture at this point, but $9.5M is an awful lot to pay your TE, unless you expect him to have a monster season.

    • Tim Knight says:

      His status depends on Gase’s vision for him. Gase has shown in the past the TE is a big part of his offense, Lazor’s was not.

      • Mike E. says:

        It also depends on how Gase wants to use the TE too. If he wants a run blocking TE that can catch also, not sure Cameron fits that bill.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Right, does Gase like what he knows of Cameron and does he have a vision for him. If not, Cameron is not worth his salary.

  28. Rockphin says:

    ITYS**

  29. Tim Knight says:

    Mike, I singled out guard as the albatross.

  30. Rockphin says:

    Isn’t Sims still on the team? He is a pretty good blocking TE with average catching ability. (showed some flashes but dropped some too, inconsistent)

    • Mike E. says:

      Yes, Sims is on the roster. I think he’s pretty much a #2 or #3 TE, but it’s always possible he finally takes that big step forward, but I wouldn’t count on him as your #1 option.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yes and you’re right about him. He’s a blocker first and secondary receiver. He’ll be in the mix but not sure he’s a starter.

      I’m intrigued by Stoneburner because he made some nice plays for us. I watched an interview with him and his goal in the offseason is to become a more complete TE so the team can call on him to do whatever they need him to do. He said he needs to get bigger and stronger. He runs pretty well and has shown he can catch it.

  31. Mike E. says:

    I only recall a little bit of Stoneburner, so I really don’t have much of an opinion about him. I did see him make a few catches, but thinking back, nothing really jumps out at me.

    • Tim Knight says:

      2 nice TDs. Was only targeted 5 times and caught them all. But Cameron only caught 35 and 3 TD and Sims 18 and 1 TD. Lazor didn’t utilize TEs much but maybe Tannehill didn’t feel they were the best targets as well. Good TE play can a be a really good friend for a QB.

  32. Tim Knight says:

    Defense as it stands now.

    LDE Wake?
    LDT Suh
    RDT Mitchell/Phillips
    RDE Fede/Moore/McCain
    SOLB Misi/Vigil
    MLB Misi/Vigil
    WOLB Jenkins/Hewitt
    CB Grimes
    CB McCain/Lippett/Taylor
    S Jones
    S Thomas/Aikens

    This is why so many of us are focused on defense. Too many questions and is the cap # matching the performance.

  33. dbolt48 says:

    Key with Stoneburner is he took advantage of the opportunities he received.

  34. Mike E. says:

    Tim

    I totally agree with the TE being a QB’s best friend. That’s why i like Henry. Strong blocker, but also a solid receiver, caught everything thrown his way this past season. Not sure if we have the luxury of taking a TE in RD 2, not likely, but if Cameron is out for sure, we will have a hole to fill at TE.

  35. Tim Knight says:

    Looking at the roster and not knowing who we’ll re-sign I think our needs however acquired are:

    Offense:
    2 OT to compete for one backup spot
    2 G to compete for starting positions and depth
    1 C/G if Pouncey continues to have durability concerns
    1 TE for depth and competition
    1 RB for depth and competition
    1 QB for depth and competition

    Defense:
    1 DE a really good player
    2 LB more athletic ability
    1 CB a legit contender
    1 S more competition

    It might look like offense is more of a need but I’m not saying all these players are top level guys. The defense needs more impact players where the offense needs more competition and depth if that makes sense.

  36. finfanrob says:

    ‘This has obviously went way over your head’

    yeah, kind of like your wonder boys passes in the SB,

  37. Mike E. says:

    Rob

    Those passes were intentionally thrown 2-3 feet too high, it was to throw the Denver defense off, lull them into thinking Cam was choking in the big game. Problem is, cam forgot he was supposed to stop doing that after a couple of passes, and did it all game long

  38. Tim Knight says:

    What is the Cam stuff in reply to? It kind of came out of nowhere.

  39. finfanrob says:

    mike

    i think it was more cam head was so full of hot air it made him float two feet off the ground making his passes high

  40. finfanrob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 14, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    The big game got the best of him but I won’t be surprised if he gets back to the big game. He is a unique talent.

    of course he is he is an africian american qb the likes no one has ever seen before

    • Tim Knight says:

      LOL, I get that but he was involved in 45 TDs this past season – 35 pass/10 rush. He needs to just play and be humble, not make it about him and his race. His play will take care of itself.

      • steveccnv says:

        That’s all anyone is asking, except for those looking for ratings or those that want to make it racial (which might be the same people).

  41. Mike E. says:

    Oh, Cam will take care of himself alright. He doesn’t know any other way . . .

  42. 13kvFINS says:

    On potential Gase use of JCameron/TE..
    Bears TE Martelus Bennett was very reliable for me in FF last year until week 11 injury !! Averaged 5 catches on 8 targets per game, had a few games with double digit targets, one in the teens, and a game with double digit receptions..

  43. herdfan says:

    A new blog article from OD on tap for tomorrow. Make sure you’ve got a beverage and a comfy chair. Maybe have a snack handy….even D will be in awe of this one!

  44. finfanrob says:

    tim

    i dont really care about cam. i just am having fun. besides it is always fun watching some cocky big head get knocked down to size.

  45. finfanrob says:

    steveccnv says:
    February 14, 2016 at 9:20 pm

    That’s all anyone is asking, except for those looking for ratings or those that want to make it racial (which might be the same people).

    i guess the media can make anything happen. hell they made britney spears and the karslutians millionaires. but how they can make it racial is beyond me. it isnt like there are just one or two black players in the nfl.

  46. steveccnv says:

    NBA All Star Game 92-90 at the half. Almost as bad as an NHL All Star Game.

  47. 13kvFINS says:

    TGoodness DParker is shy, can’t stand MIrvings mouth and luv my Canes..

    MikeE, I’m hoping he gets restructured for half to a third of the 7.5, (“”produce and we’ll payup in o17″”).. Guess it most depends on whether JC was Hickey or TBaums vision, and/or the fact that Gase likes play-making TE’s.. JC had four forty plus yard TD’s in one year a couple back, and it was the first time a TE had done such since the 90’s !! TECoach/HC DanC mentioned on numerous occasions that “”the lack of TE production wasn’t due to JC or any of the TE’s, just that it seemed that every time a play call was designed for the TE something out of the ordinary always seemed to take place and nullified the play’s initial intention/TE opportunity””

    Hmmmm< I don't see any FATE's that I like better than JCameron, but I'd bet the house (minus JCameron) that both Christensen & Gase have their eye's on Indy's FATE's Dwayne Allen (26) & Coby Fleener (27) though I don't think that either has ever completed a 16 game season..

    GOFINS!!!

  48. 13kvFINS says:

    “””Defense:
    1 DE ((((a really good player))))
    2 LB (((more athletic ability)))
    1 CB (((a legit contender))) “””

    I’d strongly agree !!

    Seems as though these would easily trump all the other positional descriptions of
    (backup, depth, & competition)..

  49. olddolphan says:

    JUST BACK FROM A VERY COLD CONVENTION IN CHARLOTTE. It was 19 this morning in the northern suburbs of Charlotte at 7 AM. The 10 hour return trip to Tampa was long but not too bad, except the very cold start! My DOLPHINS “2-TIME SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS” custom jacket was well received by Panthers’ fans.
    ——————–
    I see where Herdfan is going to run my Ross article tomorrow. Rip me to shreds, Tim, and the rest of you, if you wish!! –I won’t be able to reply until after dinner because of the ban on such sights at work. And, Tim, you are right. I WON’T comment on Ross once. It will be MORE THAN ONCE!
    ——————–
    DID any of you read Bob Kraft’s comments about the Manning boys in USA TODAY’s weekend edition? I’ll be sending him a reply which I’m SURE will thrill him to no end!!! Poor “Mr. Hypocrisy!” –He just can’t seem to keep his foot out of his mouth for very long, can he?–OUT for tonight.

    • steveccnv says:

      I would expect a Dallas owner (Cuban or Jones) to react like Krap did, but…What happened to all of his professionalism that they say he has? It appears he’s making himself out to be the tool we all knew he always was.

  50. steveccnv says:

    Our cap for 2016 has been adjusted to $7.3 mil under after the recent cuts. It had been reported to be about $10 mil under, not sure exactly how they figured that, because with the removal of those 2 contracts after dead money was accounted for it came out to $10 mil. Surely 2 other contracts would have to go onto the list to complete the top 53, but the ones on the bottom are only $450K, so it doesn’t add up. Doesn’t really matter though, because guys like
    Zac Dysert $600K
    Robert Herron $525K
    Vinston Painter $525K
    Anthony Steen $525K
    Damarr Aultman $450K
    Tyler Davis $450K
    Jahwan Edwards $450K
    Tyler Murphy $450K
    Dax Swanson $450K
    Charles Tuaau $450K
    Julius Warmsley $450K
    Jordan Williams $450K
    Dominique Jones $450K
    Don’t figure to be on the opening day 2016 roster, and total over $6 mil, but will be replaced by 7 or so rookies with similar contracts, and 6ish FA signings.

    Again, Aponte and the Fins have the money to increase the competition at LB, S, CB DE RB and G.

  51. Mike E. says:

    KV

    I guess it will depend on what the market is for Cameron. If a FA TE signs for more, he won’t want to restructure for a low ball price with us. I was pretty disappointed with him last year, but a lot of folks here think he can do well with us. I look at him, and I know he one had one really good season, but all the others weren’t impressive. It also bothers me that besides his concussion issues (Which seem to be over), he only catches about half his targets in every year except the one good season. I want a TE that is the QB’s best friend, that actually makes the catches.

    • 13kvFINS says:

      I figured that we’re gonna endup with 30 plus mill even if JCameron doesn’t restructure.. But it’d be nice if he’d help out a little financially (with an incentive laden, produce and we’ll pay’ya in o17, team friendly seeing that o16 didn’t go as planned, compromised restructuring)..

      I’d guess that his tenure will depend mostly on if he was Hickey or TBaums idea/$$ amount or what Christensen & Gase think about Indy’s FATE’s Dwayne Allen and Coby Fleener cuz there ain’t much else out there otherwise and I only give them some benifit of a doubt cuz CC & AG are very familiar with them…But they take turns at not being healthy so what good will one of’em be…

      We’re paying a QB, a couple OLineman, a couple DLineman (with CW), a CB, a Safety, but not a WR (minus GJ), LB, RB, or TE.. Need to put some money toward offensive playmakers, I vote LMiller & JCameron !!

      As well, I vote for keeping OV (cuz CW’s about done even if he makes it to/through o16 from MID-SEASON o15 achilles).. Can’t go into FA/Draft needing 2 awesome DE’s to field on opening day!! Right now it’s only Fede & Demontre Moore at DE for opening day !!

  52. 13kvFINS says:

    Tooo Funny, just checked out Kanye West twitter page quotes cuz Derrick Shelby retweeted something that he said.. Wowwww, now there’s a full of himself PUNK !! What an poor, poor idiot beggin for handouts cuz he’s in such debt while claiming that he’s the greatest that is or will ever be, what a fricken kook !! https://twitter.com/kanyewest

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