Oh those Pesky Belusian Gopher Flies! Like any good intergalactic agent – I shoot a photon missile directly at a planet. I know its not the most creative way to destroy a planet…but I love watching the way the planet explodes.
Except mid air…out of nowhere a Gopher Fly grabs the missile and takes it away before it makes contact. Light years away I see an explosion in the direction the fly went.
That must be what a pick six feels like.
Then days later…I found out that one of the Alpha Alien’s favorite vacation moons has exploded after it was hit by MY MISSILE!
And who gets blamed for that!
I don’t even know what those pests are…are they a rodent or an insect…
kinda reminds of some of the prospects I can’t place
Su’a Cravens is a fascinating prospect. In his freshmen year Cravens played Safety for USC, then USC switched him to Linebacker.
At both positions he excelled at USC.
So which is he in the NFL?
Well, I’ve seen him called the next Troy Polamalu.
And I think he fits the mold of a safety.
But not everyone agrees. In fact I’m hearing a lot of NFL scouts are projecting him at Linebacker in the NFL. Which surprises me. But what do I know – I’m not even from your miserable planet.
Could it be that Cravens fits the mold of the new NFL pass covering linebacker? Seems like this sort of Linebacker is more and more what the NFL wants out of the position in a pass happy NFL.
Cravens may not be the best coverage linebacker in the draft this year, that honor probably goes to his instate rival Myles Jack. But Cravens is one of the best available this year and one of the best I can remember.
But that is not the only thing Cravens did at USC. Cravens had over 200 tackles in 3 years at USC. He forced 4 fumbles and had over 10 sacks in the last two years while playing linebacker. So this guy is pretty versatile and makes impact plays.
But how about those 9 career interceptions NFL scouts? Don’t tell me that is not a safety I see in the field!
Well, scouts counter that by mentioning Cravens’ lack of speed. In fact he is not expected to run a very fast 40 yard dash at the combine.
But then again, if Cravens runs a fast 40, I wonder if the Cravens at safety talk picks up?
I expect Cravens to be picked int he first two rounds of the NFL draft. There is even some talk he may go in the first round, but it’s too early to know.
What I do know is that Su’a Cravens reminds me of one of the pesky Belusian Gopher Flies. That son of a bitch will pick it off and take it back for a touchdown! That’s his alien weapon of destruction!
You can watch his highlights here to see what I mean
Finsmob Unleashed 
Wanna hear something scary. Franchise tag on OV would be higher than the franchise tag on Miller. Miller is a 3-4 OLB, the average salaries of the top 5 3-4 OLB’s is 12.2mil per, for 4-3 DE its 13.25mil.
Page turn first.
I don’t think we’ll franchise OV, but I do think we should try and re-sign him. If it gets out of control, and it likely will, then unfortunately we’ll probably have to let him go. Unless we cut Wake, restructure Suh, and let MillerTime go, then it’s possible we stay in the chase for him.
OV is a good player but he’s not special.
Not sure if that’s his fault, or the coaching though. He was our best DE, that much is clear. Besides Reshad, no one on this defense was special, but I think that may be more due to what we were doing on defense. I think it’s a bigger hole to fill than MillerTime, but that’s just how I see it. I think we can easily replace the production we got from MillerTime, but not necessarily the potential, if that makes any sense.
dbolt48 says:
February 10, 2016 at 2:37 pm
Does anyone know the reason for Alex Mccalister’s dismissal from the Gators? I do like him as s long term developmental DE prospect in the mode of JT.
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I odnt know if i ever heard an official report, both times it was for violation of atletic department or team rules. There are no arrest records for him. McElwain is a strict rules guy too, so it could be he missed meetings or curfew or pretty much anything and was habitual and he was just getting a bad element off his team.
He shit in coaches breakfast burrito and jizzed in his coffee.
He has a ton of talent. If he passes the interview id be all in on taking him in a later round.
Mike, I don’t think it was a coaching issue. Playing DE isn’t that complex. He doesn’t overwhelm anyone. He plays hard, never stops going and does make some plays. I just don’t see a guy who’s a game changer to pay him like one.
Do you think a rookie could step in and give you all those QB hits and pressures that he did last year?
Besides that, he had 41 solo tackles and 7.5 sacks. That’s not too bad. It seems a shame to let our own guy go, and he’s young too, only 25.
I mentioned resigning Shelby if OV gets over board with big offers.
Shelby had comparable numbers in a smaller sample, but he’s coming into his own now. He’s built like Vinny Curry who’s getting a ton of money now.
Resign Shelby, let OV walk.
There will be more money left over to resign Millertime, & some towards say Matthews, or a FA OG.
Then draft another DE early. Fede & Moore is still in the DE camp to compete as well.
I really didn’t see it like the stats say he did. He seemed to be late a lot, and then took some late hits. He’s not a finisher. Pressures can be a subjective stat. The QB got rid of the ball but they say he was pressured. I just don’t see great impact from him.
Yes a rookie could do that, but it depends on who that guy is.
D, another late round WR project could be the Gator Demarcus Robinson. What are you hearing about him. He’s got a ton of talent but is known to be very quirky and problematic with coaches.
Mike, OV had no FF or PD. He makes a lot of tackles because of his motor, he doesn’t give up on on a play. Like I said he’s a good player, but he’s not elite or anything.
What do you think he’s worth?
I don’t don’t know what the going rate is right now, but $7-8M per in a 4 or 5 year contract
Been seeing numbers that he’ll be seeking 10-11per year based on the idiot contracts the Eagles have handed out.
Shelby had 2 FF, 4 PD’s, 1 INT, & 3.5 sacks in limited play.
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Thanks D! Yeah he really does remind me of the Rookie JT how he comes off the edge, non stop motor, but also can get moved because he’s light right now. Very similar characteristics….wonder if he’d take JT up on an offer of working with him?
GDP
I really don’t want Derrick Shelby starting for us at DE. I think that makes us a weaker defense.
Agreed.
You have to remember he (Shelby) played some DT too, he wasn’t just playing DE.
I think you’re wrong Mike. He started 9 games this year, and produced. He put up numbers last year as well with no starts, just rotating in.
He’s up n coming. Guess we’ll see what the coaches think.
But like I said, he could be had for way less than OV robbing the kitty, and that leaves money for Millertime, maybe Mathews, or FA OG/OT.
Then we draft a stud DE early like Dood, Lawson, Bullard, etc.
RASHARD HIGGINS, WR
SCHOOL: COLORADO STATE | CONFERENCE: MWC
COLLEGE EXPERIENCE: JUNIOR | HOMETOWN: DALLAS, TX
HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6-2 / 188 LBS.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2071919/rashard-higgins
He can be a beast in the return game!
D-Bolt
That contract Vinny Curry got was silly. If OV can get that, I’d say we’ll have to let him go, which sucks, but I don’t think we can pay him that.
I’d be more than willing to pay him what Coples was making, nothing more.
You mean his rookie contract, or the $7.7M this year?
https://twitter.com/MDC_Adrianna/status/697271545312444416
Shelby flourished besides Suh. If Wake restructures then he can rotate in for Shelby on obvious passing downs and stay fresh.
Then our DE stud that we draft early will man the other side where OV was, with Fede, Moore, or maybe McCain rotating in as needed.
Honestly, I don’t get the importance of Miller. We see RB’s step in all over the league, guys drafted in the late RD’s and some undrafted that are able to do the job. Why overpay a RB who despite his perceived potential to put up big numbers has never actually done it. I think if we’re going to spend, we shouldn’t spend it on MillerTime, when DE is much more important.
I said it earlier, but I’d use that cash to strengthen OL, LB, & CB before paying it to him. It’s just my preference.
I agree with that. I think it’s foolish to overpay a RB.
Never actually done it??? WTF Mike. He had what 10 TD’s for us this year in limited use.
Try seeing what the guy can do when featured!
So you want him pay him because he got in the end zone 10 times? We don’t even know if he can carry the ball 25-30 times a game and then be able to do it again next week, because he’s never done it.
It’s not like Miller is going to break the bank like OV will. Why take a verifiable weapon that has chemistry away from Tanny, unless he’s over 30 & injury prone???
I don’t understand why you guys think we need a Top DE when we have Suh who played DE the last 2-3 games with Philips playing DT at a high level after he switched his pre snap form like SUH playing DT. We may have a another pro bowler from his improvement during the season.He had pro bowl numbers similar to Cincinnati’s NT Geno Akins 42 tackles in only 4 per games starting. Suh got more tackles when he was single covered and him playing DE free’s him up from double teams.
That’s an option also, to move him & Shelby around from DE to DT & back, causing confusion for the OL.
Vance said he wanted to be creative and get Suh where he’s not always ate up with dbl & triple teams.
There ya go. That’s one way.
jetssuck
Welcome back! Suh doesn’t want to play DE though, and I’d bet VJ has no intention of playing there either. Suh was brought in to fortify the middle.
My internet has been out for a week I just got it back. Suh recommended it when we had the coaching changes. Suh has said in the past he would be a punter if it helped the team win.
Mike’s on a crazy rant today….lol
JAY LEE, WR
SCHOOL: BAYLOR | CONFERENCE: BIG12
COLLEGE EXPERIENCE: SENIOR | HOMETOWN: ALLEN, TX
HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6-2 / 214 LBS.
Yeah Mike, I want to pay Miller. You guys act like because some teams had success with back up RB’s due to injury that now all of a sudden that’s the norm everywhere.
I also saw teams struggle @ RB when they lost their starters. A lot depends on the team, how the offense is run, how the OL is, the receiving weapons etc.
Trust me, it’s not a given. We saw Damien Williams when he started for Miller when Lamar had a bruised shoulder I think it was, and the fall off was huge!
…and also, for the record, of course Miller can carry the ball 20+ times, then we also have Ajayi, so Miller isn’t going to need to carry it 30x.
Ok, Damien was and UDFA, but a lot of teams did well with their 2nd or 3rd RB’s. SEA, KC, CIN, GB, PIT, CHI, BUF, DEN, and probably more, that’s a quick glance.
Jamal Robinson WR UL Lafayette rSr 6-3 205
Reggie Diggs WR 82 Richmond Sr 6-4 202
Mike E, who said overpay for a RB? This idea that really good RBs are easy to find is also exaggerated. I don’t see a lot of backs with Miller’s quickness and overall ability.
http://overthecap.com/position/running-back/
There’s no reasoning with him.
Let’s draft Hunter Henry in the 2nd round & pay OV too much money. Let’s resign Matthews. 🙄
At least Mike E backs me on Tanny. So we do see eye to eye often….lol
Tim, locking up Miller now @ 24yo with a 2016 price will turn out to be a huge bargain a couple years from now when RB’s are commanding more.
I just don’t get someone saying that Miller’s production is easily replaced with a drafted RB, a UDFA RB, or some older FA RB that another team isn’t interested in resigning.
But that’s just me.
Is McCoy’s contract of 5 YR, $40M about right for Miller, or the 5 YR $36.5 for Jonathan Stewart, or somewhere in the middle?
Remember, you can backload the deals. a lot depends on the up front money and how you fit that into your cap etc.
Miller’s production was better than Stewart’s & McCoy’s. So there’s that.
Yeah, let’s let Millertime walk….smh!
Well hell then, if his production was better, he’s going to want more then, right? Think about it, he’s been underused here to begin with, why come back here for less? He may want $8-10M per. He may not want a back loaded contract, he might want the money now, especially at the RB position.
I read the market for Miller is 4 years $18-22M.
That’s a lot lower than Stewart or McCoy’s contract. I’d be willing to do that, but it seems way too low.
C’mon GDP – Why say no reasoning? Just because I don’t agree? I’m discussing it, not saying what I say is the only way to go.
I’m busting balls some, plus it’s cold in Fla and I just had 3 more cups of afternoon coffee. ARRGGH!
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PS. Damn right what you say isn’t the only way to go…thankfully.
I want my way.
We need to score points, we need to keep Brady on the sidelines with a good running game.
Resing Millertime!
Go Phins!
I’m the proponent of paying Matthews not Mike😂.
trouble maker 😛
Tim Knight says:
February 10, 2016 at 4:16 pm
I read the market for Miller is 4 years $18-22M.
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How fast can we shove the paper under his chin & a quill in his hand???
That’s a bonafide steal. Lock him up. I’ll take it!
Phins need to start averaging 25+ points a game. Don’t let production go so easily!
Here’s a deal….if you cut Grines you can re-sign Miller and apply the rest towards a long term deal with Trumaine Johnson!
Grimes
Jenoris Jenkins.
Either one. I just prefer Trumaines physicality.
Tim
Where did you see that Miller was seeking that type of money?
I posted it below, it’s a projection from a salary cap site called OverTheCap. You can look at the positions.
They project OV at 4 years, $25-$29 million.
http://overthecap.com/2016-nfl-free-agency-running-back-overview/
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 25m25 minutes ago
Not there was much question, but Drew Brees’ return to NO was guaranteed at 4 pm, when $10.85M of $20M salary became guaranteed, per source.
Lil Rich prick. Screw you Satan! 😈
The closest age comp to Miller is Mark Ingram (26) who was considered higher pedigree, but has not put up the statistics that Miller had besides touchdowns.
dbolt48 says:
February 10, 2016 at 4:23 pm
Here’s a deal….if you cut Grines you can re-sign Miller and apply the rest towards a long term deal with Trumaine Johnson!
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I don’t see the team cutting Grimes maybe asking him to restructure. Gotta remember the guy was chosen to play in pro bowl. He didn’t have a great season but he had respectable season and you have to remember he lost more than his share of 50-50 balls this yr where he won those battles previously. I think we draft a CB in the first 3 rounds and hope we have someone that can be developed with in house and if not then next year address this again with high draft choice.
Tony Pauline @TonyPauline 6m6 minutes ago
Also- Myles Jack labeled a “rare athlete” by NFL decision makers: http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=11257
Wow the 4.3s.
LOL @ Dbolt’s avi. I was wondering what it was so I blew up the screen.
grimes wasn’t able to cover to of the main receivers in our division. Marshall and watkins. I hope they have an answer for that. Grimes just can cover big receivers anymore.
concerning the big receivers he lost most of his 50-50 balls but he had his hands inside fighting for the ball. You win some and you lose some. Its a very difficult position to play and we know he is a gamer.
Tim
We’ll see with MillerTime. My guess is it will be at least $30M for 5 years, and I’d bet even closer to to $35M. Would you want him at that price? GDP, you as well?
Absolutely. Look at what we’re paying Suh. He was productive, but Miller puts points on the board, keeps the offense moving when they friggin use him.
Before we do anything I want to see who we release to get an idea what’s going on. We need to find out more about this team under the new regime.
I like Miller a lot, but if he’s not going to get the ball a lot then he’s not worth it. So I think the interest we show in him during FA will tell us a lot.
Boulder,
I think the Grimes can’t cover top guys anymore might a bit too simplistic. Guys like ODB; well doesn’t matter who it is, he’s usually winning his 1 on 1 battles against anyone. Watkins got to Grimes on a couple occassions but then you saw Watkins do the same thing to Revis. BMarshall’s TD in NY came in the slot against another player not named Grimes. The Fins defensive scheme was a sham with the weak LB and FS play.
Jetssuck,
As for his cap figure, I think he’s priced right in the market. You may not like his 9.5 mill salary cap figure for 2016 but that only ranks 12th in the NFL in CB $ cap hit rank for 2016 (Revis is at 17 mill for 2016; Sherman is at 14.8 mill for 2016).
He’s scheduled to make the same money Ladarius Webb will make for the Ravens. If you think Grimes isn’t on the same level as Webb then maybe you on crack 🙂
#14 is Chris Culliver of the Redskins at 9.250 mill.
Good post.
I don’t know what his salary is but I do think he is probably one of the top 10 for his position. I also know he has always been small at his position but he prevailed most yrs.
On Grimes,
We also had poor FS play. He didn’t get much if any help over the top. Coyle had the DB’s playing too soft as well…IMO.
I agree Grimes isn’t at his peak anymore, but he’s also not finished yet either.
Use him the right way and we’ll see what he does.
Vance Joseph is another DB coach, but with what seems a better approach & learned from better DC’s.
With that said, I still think he needs to be a team player & restructure if he wants to stay and build upon what he has in Miami. Just shut the wife UP!
Tim,
Agree on the valuation for Miller.
At the end of the day, the salary is for expected production and that includes anticpated snaps.
One time offers more based on a higher expected utilization rate on a per snap basis while another may offer less because as you pointed out, you are paying for $ per snaps and that’s the bottom line.
One team offers more i meant to say.
KANGAROO COPULATION!!
Shameful! LOL
GDP,
That’s easy if the Fins want to shut her up…just pay some chinese/russian hacker to give her fits.
I think we know how she likes to be shut up. Gobble gobble! LOL
GDP,
I’m beginning to believe Noah Spence might be the guy the Fins select.
Tannenbaum never was shy about going after a bad boy though he’s got some convincing to do to Ross.
GDP
Just think about what you just said to me. “Look at what we’re paying Suh”
I never wanted any part of paying Suh that much money, I think it was bad contract. In any case, what does what we pay Suh have to do with Miller?
You pay for top talent & you try to keep your homegrown guys you drafted.
Miller is among the tops in the NFL based on his touches, which has been far less than most of the others.
But he’s young and sturdy, 5’11 225 and able to handle more touches as well.
I think as fans we get down on a lot of our players and are ok with them leaving cause when you don’t make the playoffs, knee jerk reaction is to start replacing bodies until something works. But alas, that usually keeps you in the same vicious cycle.
We all should know by now that coaching/systems/play calling was a major issue with why this team fell short.
Ross addressed that and now we got the chick at the bar. Let’s see if we can get to homebase with her.
Go Gase!
Does Ross have a bet for the chick at the bar?
But really we will know about the 1st pick once we see what happens with players on the team prior to the draft.
I like how they cut Fox within 48 hours of HC hire. Didn’t take long for coach to review tape.We now know we need a tackle. Can we get B.Albert and Pouncey to play guard as they did in college.
I give Miller 4 years 26 Mil with 10.5 mil guaranteed over the first 2 years. (5 of that as a signing bonus)
Dallas might be desperate …I’m expecting Jones to regret the decision not to pay Murray and offer up someone else some good $.
I meant to say the HOT chick at the bar. 😛
Go Gase!
lol. I guess it was a bad joke on my part….the rich guy in Cocktail bets Tom Cruise that he can’t close the deal on some rich woman at the bar (not hot for sure LOL).
LOL, I remember that flick.
Browns LCB Joe Haden’s $10.1 million base salary for 2016 became fully guaranteed on Wednesday.
Previously, his salary was only guaranteed for injury. Concussions limited Haden to just five games last season. Even when healthy Haden was ineffective, receiving a negative grade from Pro Football Focus.
My deal for Miller works out to $500K per TD.
Saints FS Jairus Byrd’s $7.4 million base salary for 2016 became fully guaranteed on Wednesday.
Wednesday marks the third day of the new waiver period. Byrd inked a six-year deal with the Saints during the 2014 offseason. So far, he hasn’t been worth the money. Byrd tore his meniscus early in the 2014 campaign and was part of a New Orleans secondary that allowed 284 passing yards per game this past season.
Wasn’t Byrd really good with Buff? IDR because I burnt those brain cells but I think so.
GDP
Actually, paying for top talent in FA rarely works anywhere, and is a poor formula to build a team. That being said, Miller and OV are OUR guys, but paying Suh what we’re paying him was a bad move.
Right, but when you got a guy that’s a top producer, you either pay him or HOPE like hell you can replace him with a depth player that’s ready to step up, or a draft pick with no guarantees.
Look, I’m not saying keep mIller at all costs or to the detriment of the team. But get creative Aponte and nail Miller down to something that can make sense within the organization.
whqat do u guys think of a trade for Burfict who in 2013 had 171 tackles and after his knee surgery he averaged 7.4 tackles a game. He is fully recovered now and I can’t think he is good graces within organization plus we have a former bengal coach. His big contract is not going to happen with Bengals. A trade or next years top FA.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/15246/vontaze-burfict
Trade who? Not picks that we don’t have.
Maybe sign Vincent Rey in FA.
he’s up for a new contract. If we don’t break the bank with him it may be worth pursuing him.
Tim Knight says:
February 10, 2016 at 4:45 pm
LOL @ Dbolt’s avi. I was wondering what it was so I blew up the screen.
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You like that? You’ll never go to the petting zoo without that image in your head😂
It’s funny, like… not so much. LOL
“Hey kid, do I look hungry?”
In regards to Grimes & a restructure…Tito Tits has said over & over they won’t accept one.
seriously Tim….at dinnertime….thanks!
LMFAO
She’ll do it unless someone offers more than he makes now. She talks out her ass. Plus she really doesn’t want to leave the SOBE life now does she?
It’s one thing to keep the guys you draft, but you still gotta make good decisions. OV and Miller are both guys worth keeping…but not at inflated prices. That ultimately leaves you with a team of overpaid, average players. Sound familiar to anyone? Lol
Who’s average? OV & Miller are considered the top FA’s at their respective positions.
We’re not talking resigning your boy Shelley Smith to a big contract. 😉
GD, are you having chunky gumbo for dinner? LOL
No soup for you!
It’ll be interesting to see where JPP is after his latest surgery, and what the market holds for him.
He’s on 27, and seems to be rebounding from this accident nicely. He may now become more determined than ever.
Maybe we get lucky and sign him on a short 2yr deal to see if he can prove his worth, and develop DE’s behind him.
This is of course OV walks.
Sign Shelby in that case & maybe JPP if the price isn’t out of touch and it’s a prove it type or incentive laden deal.
gdp
I think it also goes the other way. I think fans tend to overvalue their own players too often and think they’re better than they really are because they develop emotional connections to them.
Who’s average? OV & Miller are considered the top FA’s at their respective positions.
We’re not talking resigning your boy Shelley Smith to a big contract. 😉
Robert Ayres is an interesting FA too. Don’t think the Giants can resign both he & JPP.
gdp
Lol. Shelley Smith? I don’t believe he was my boy. But, just because someone may be a “top FA” any given year, doesn’t mean they are better than average players…just good for that particular pool of FAs. I think OV and Miller are both slightly better than average players. 8 sacks a year? Screams average to me.
Which is why I’m pushing more for Miller than for OV. I think Shelby as I mentioned several times, can be that guy for a lot less. He’s coming into his own when he gets the snaps. He’s versatile too.
Then draft a DE early, go from there.
Anyone seen Piggy around?
gdp
I think Shelby is a nice backup…or an okay LDE if you got a guy on the other end getting 17 sacks a year. He’s not gonna be grinding out double digit sacks every year. We HAVE to find a way to get more pressure on QBs if we’e gonna build an elite defense. Shelby and OV will not get us there.
Piggy? I think he’s in his office doing important work . . .
Nah, he’s celebrating hump day!
We need to find the next Cameron Wake. A guy who can, when he reaches his potential, be elite but has some questions so he might fall in the draft or to FA. Maybe Shelby has that kind of work ethic? especially since he has been working with Wake for years. Wake went to Canada for a reason but came back a Pro Bowler for another reason. His work ethic. Hope that has rubbed off with some of these other young players.
Nice point. Suh is a motivator too.
Mike, you’re right. There’s a spy cam set up in his new office restroom.
https://twitter.com/BitchyMcTits/status/370862785241944064
getterdone says:
February 10, 2016 at 3:18 pm
D, another late round WR project could be the Gator Demarcus Robinson. What are you hearing about him. He’s got a ton of talent but is known to be very quirky and problematic with coaches.
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If you asked me this question last year i would have told you we would be a fool not to select him. He was awesome. This year was really a let down. I thought for sure we were going to see 1K plus yards 8-10 TDs. Now part of it was not having a QB for last half of the year, but he didnt look that good early on either. Couple that with his attitude issues and i would say if he falls to a very low round id pick him up for sure just from talent perspective, and hopefully being drafted that low will teach him some humility and drive him to leave his ego at the door.
Randy says:
February 10, 2016 at 6:28 pm
gdp
I think Shelby is a nice backup…or an okay LDE if you got a guy on the other end getting 17 sacks a year. He’s not gonna be grinding out double digit sacks every year. We HAVE to find a way to get more pressure on QBs if we’e gonna build an elite defense. Shelby and OV will not get us there.
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I thin Shelby would be a solid guy in replacement of OV. I think OV has better upside but for the cost difference id let OV walk and keep Shelby. I do agree though opposite him needs to be a stud. I dont think Wake fits that bill any longer. Id like for us to go young and mean lol
I honestly wouldnt care if we replaced both with a young guy. Drafting two DE’s in the draft would be ok to me and let OV and Shelby walk, along with cutting Wake. Its a little riskier but as long as one of the two DE’s was a clear stud, i think we would be with the DT talent we have.
I agree with Randy’s assessment of Shelby. Shelby at 4 sacks per yr isn’t going to get it done, but he’s fine off the bench. D I don’t get why you think he can be a starting DE.
Geoff Schwartz was a big name in FA a couple years ago but man the Giants did not get what they though they were when signing him. He’s cut again now, and he might be better than what we have but not by much.
D, if things don’t go well with our FA’s, and Wake is slow to recover.
Then I could see us dbl down on DE’s.
Lawson, Ogbah, Dodd, Spence early on & late in draft, a guy like Anthony Zettel.
I would not be happy if Spence is the guy they took. Out of several players that have off field concerns, his are the worst. Id rather have Nkemdiche with his concerns over Spence. Nkemdiche has like one thing on him, Spence has several.
He literally got dismissed from Ohio State for multiple issues, more than a couple being drug issues, and then after he transfers to EKU, starts that career off with a public intoxication and disordely conduct arrest. I dont want him near South Beach as a dolphin.
That Parcell’s double down crap is really stupid, even if the guys you drafted pan out, because in 4 yrs you’ve created a hole at one position..
Alright then
DOES THIS WORK NOW?
Thats a little better; Next up, figure out the Avatar since I lost my airplane picture forever…
Be back whenever
Howie
The plane picture must be saved as one of your avatars, right?
I’m with D on Spence!
someone will take him way to soon for his own good
Shelby may not get the QB pressures!
But he won’t give up the edge as many times either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Didn’t I read that JPP is retiring?
Actually I think I posted it!!!!!!!!!
Howie Herdfan might have your original artwork if you sent it to her for the t-shirt
I meant picture of you with the airplane not artwork
steveccnv says:
February 10, 2016 at 8:48 pm
That Parcell’s double down crap is really stupid, even if the guys you drafted pan out, because in 4 yrs you’ve created a hole at one position..
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steve, wow,that was enlightening.Man I hope Gase can somehow be the next Don Shu;a, or Bill Walsh. Chuck Noll says learn hos to type!1
Dick Juran walks thru the door!
HEADING OUT THE DOOR TO CHARLOTTE for a convention. Talk to you guys again early next week!! –NOT looking forward to the 15 degree temps in North Carolina!
MikeE
Its on my good PC that took its final shit… Word Press would still have it but I lost the password a long time ago…
When I go to lost password it tells me the E-mail address that I had for over 10 years now does not exist.
ITS HOPELESS 😦
Hey Rock
that would be a good idea, thing is I never did that
Well I found Gravatar but where in the world do you guys go to get all the cool pictures?
Google Jake Scott
Is this new fangled thing its called the Internet
The upgrading the physicality draft:
VIEW EACH TEAM’S DRAFT
8: R1P8
OLB MYLES JACK
UCLA
42: R2P11
DT ROBERT NKEMDICHE
OLE MISS
73: R3P10
G DENVER KIRKLAND
ARKANSAS
108: R4P9
DT CHRIS JONES
MISSISSIPPI STATE
147: R5P8
DE BRONSON KAUFUSI
BRIGHAM YOUNG
189: R6P11
CB ERIC MURRAY
MINNESOTA
225: R7P6
G PARKER EHINGER
CINCINNATI
229: R7P10
RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS
Jonathan Williams is the 6th highest ranked RB on NFL.com
That would be something to get him in the 7th RD.
Yeah, he’s highly ranked, but it’s unknown on his health still.
Gotcha – The combine will tell the story. If he puts up good numbers, he’ll go early. On the flip side, if he does poorly, or can’t participate, that will hurt him.
I have a feeling it might be an Ajayi type thing. He’ll probably go rounds 4-5.
If we don’t re-sign Miller because the philosophy in the building is not to pay high for backs, I would expect us to draft a RB in the 3-5 rd range and maybe add a 2nd tier RB in FA and have them all compete.
I could see a quick scat back as a FA who can also handle return duties.
A guy who can also lineup as a slot receiver etc.?
D-Bolt
Could be, but Ajayi’s injury is a career length injury, I wouldn’t think Williams injury would threaten the length of his career. Who knows? lol
The only thing I worry about is it was a foot injury and it becoming a reoccurring thing due to the stress running backs put on their feet cutting etc. still when healthy he’s a monster.
We have that kid Jahwan Edwards 5’9″220 Ball State signed to a future contract. Not sure if he’ll make it or not though. He ran a 4.8 at the combine, but then a 5.62 and 4.65 at his pro day. Not a speedster to say the least. lol
WTF with those varying 40 times? LOL
Did he fall down during that 5.62 run? Makes John Jerry chasing a Twinkie look fast😁
LMAO!! Oops, 4.62 😀
Mike, oh okay. LOL
Edwards seems similar to Jonas Gray.
Yeah, I guess so. lol
I’m reading GRR Martin’s “A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms”. It’s too damn short, I’m almost done with it, and I want MORE! It’s very much like the other GOT books, but this one isn’t part of the series, it’s actually a prequel.
Good morning.
On the topic of RB ….what are the thoughts on San Jose state’s Tyler Ervin?
This guy reminds me of Chris Johnson … probably will be the fastest RB during the pre-draft process.
Very fast. CBS has him as 5th rd prospect. A little light. Would probably be a dynamic KR.
Do the Dolphins have intentions of replacing Landry as KR/PR? I thought he really wants to do it
I think they want to keep him as a PR but lessen the load on KRs. In a big spot if we feel he’s still the best guy, I think he’ll be back there. Rizzi has said he’d like to find another guy they can rely on. Damien Williams isn’t very good at it.
Ervin really gets to speed in a hurry, he looks faster than MillerTime
Yeah there are a lot of guys out there faster than Miller but most of those runs Ervin just ran through a gaping hole. It’s not that easy in the NFL. Miller has really improved his footwork and change of direction over the years. Miller is also 224 and Ervin in 200.
No doubt. Ervin looks like more of a scat back, and a guy that when he gets hit, will go down. Miller is a true 3 down RB.
Mike, as a KR you can see Ervin if he gets that lane he could just explode through it and take it to the house. He looks to have that kind of speed. I’ve seen him listed at 176, 192 and 202. The combine will reveal all. LOL
Yeah, hard to believe what their listed at in college, it’s usually an inch or two shorter and about 10 lbs lighter in reality.
getterdone says:
February 11, 2016 at 1:14 am
steveccnv says:
February 10, 2016 at 8:48 pm
That Parcell’s double down crap is really stupid, even if the guys you drafted pan out, because in 4 yrs you’ve created a hole at one position..
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steve, wow,that was enlightening.Man I hope Gase can somehow be the next Don Shu;a, or Bill Walsh. Chuck Noll says learn hos to type!1
Dick Juran walks thru the door!
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See i disagree, you double down when you need to get a solid base to build off of, in 4 years you have staggered other draft selections behind them and hopefully have them ready to take over. Just because you double down in one year doesnt mean you do nothing at those position in the draft for the next 4 years, you keep adding talent behind your starters and if one turns out to be a stud you keep him and let the other be replaced, if they are both stud, well ya cant probably pay for both of them so you let one unfortunately walk and you roll up the next guy. Also 4 years is 4 years of time to make sure you have quality behind your starter, so no double down isnt a bad strategy UNLESS you do NOTHING the next 4.
Aaron Green and DeAndre Washington are two smaller scat back types im interested in looking at. First TD of the Senior bowl was scored by Green and he looked very Miller like the way he knifed through the middle of the defense and then turned on the burners once he got to the outside. Was a very pretty run.
Washington was a late add at Senior Bowl and his ability to pick up the offense that quick and put up some solid numbers in rotation was pretty impressive. He had a nice run to the outside as well, pretty big gainer, got tackled practically right in front of where SB7 was saying he was sitting.
We need to know if Grier and Gase are looking for scatbacks. I think they should take a page out of Belichicks book by having one who can run and catch and line up all over the place. It’s tough for LBs to stay with those guys. Maybe a guy who can rush 5, catch 3-4 and handle some returns.
Buccaneers Bulletin @BucsBulletin 2h2 hours ago
Gem Alert: Paul McRoberts, WR, Southeast Missouri State
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/paul-mcroberts-vs-murray-state-2015-2/ …
8: R1P8 OLB MYLES JACK, UCLA
42: R2P11 DE KEVIN DODD, CLEMSON
73: R3P10 OG VADAL ALEXANDER, LSU
108: R4P9 C MAX TUERK, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
147: R5P8 CB MAURICE CANADY, VIRGINIA
189: R6P11 TE TANNER MCEVOY, WISCONSIN
225: R7P6 FS JORDAN LOMAX, IOWA
229: R7P10 CB LLOYD CARRINGTON, ARIZONA STATE
Looking at how Gase ran his offense at previous stops, he seemed to have one all purpose back and one power back. If we feel like Miller stays, i think we already have that now. If Miller goes we probably are looking at getting a guy like Forte in FA or possibly a mid range RB in the draft, Someone like Booker, Collins, Dixon, etc.
I personally feel Kenyan Drake is a pretty good replacement for Miller as well.
Forte isn’t going to play on the cheap so I’d re-sign Miller in that situation. Drake is a solid option in the mid rounds. Remember to that Gase as an OC didn’t have top say in personnel. He coached what the GM and HC brought in.
Tim, his a 30 year old RB, he is going to be cheaper than Miller by a good bit and be a 2 year investment. As good as he is he isnt going to get a big contract at his age and number of miles on those tires. You would re-sign Miller if you were choosing, i probably would as well but im pretty certain they arent going to be offering what other teams will. I just dont see the deal getting done but id be happy to know i was wrong.
Your score is: 7105 (GRADE: A-)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 8: Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida (B+)
Round 2 Pick 11: Jonathan Bullard, DE/DT, Florida (A)
Round 3 Pick 10: Deion Jones, OLB, LSU (A-)
Round 4 Pick 9: Kenyan Drake, RB, Alabama (A-)
Round 5 Pick 8: Antonio Morrison, ILB, Florida (A-)
Round 6 Pick 11: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (A)
Round 7 Pick 6: Rashard Robinson, CB, LSU (A+)
Round 7 Pick 10: Ronald Blair, DE, Appalachian State (A-)
Got three Gators…….bonus! I about took a 4th one, i was going to grab Alex McCalister with my last pick but opted for Ronald Blair instead.
Tim Knight says:
February 11, 2016 at 1:49 pm
Forte isn’t going to play on the cheap so I’d re-sign Miller in that situation. Drake is a solid option in the mid rounds. Remember to that Gase as an OC didn’t have top say in personnel. He coached what the GM and HC brought in.
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Tim, he played what he had, but its how he used them that makes me say i think he is looking for that. Both places, with different personnel he had a RB who took majority of carries and that RB was also part of the passing game, he also had a bruiser back that he ground out yardage with but had significantly less touches. Those patterns say he wants a primary back in his offense that can handle both rushing and receiving and another one that helps grind out yards, he could have done different things but he didnt so it seems to reflect a preference.
Also how can you say he had no say in who they had….. You dont think an OC is going to be included in a discussion of what players will help the offense be successful?
Yes but I’ve noticed a pattern among fans putting coordinators at HC/GM status when discussing this stuff. Even positional coaches being thought of as scheme designers. That’s not how it works.
We’ll see on Forte, he’s not going to play on the cheap. He’d probably retire.
No im not saying he has ultimate decision of who gets picked up, im saying he expounds on how his offense works and the type players he would like. The rest is on the GM, though there may be additional input when they find a player who they think fits asking him what he thinks about them and potentially it strengthens or weakens the offer given to those players by the GM’s
I imagine FA is treated much like the draft just with contract amounts where the player round evaluation is in the case of draft.