Well Earth lives another day
Seems like some other planet outweighed Earth on the intergalactic planetary destiny scale. Earth is so luck. 5th time this year. Chances are Earth will survive through at least the draft.
Which is good because taking a trip to Earth is such a long trip and Momma Wedge worries about me away from home…
Momma Wedge
I don’t want to worry Momma Wedge. A worried Momma can do some irrational things.
Which brings me to Arkansas running back Alex Collins.
If Alex Collins Mom had her way we would’t saying “Arkansas” running back.
You see Alex Collins is a local product. He went to South Plantation High School, not too far from the Dolphins Davie Facility.
The highly touted high school running back, unfortunately didn’t get calls from college football powerhouses like Miami, Florida or Florida State.
Instead Arkansas sent a letter of intent to Alex Collins. And he was going to sign it…but….his Momma took the letter of intent and ran away with it. Momma Collins didn’t want her little baby going so fa away.
Well it was an easy fix for Arkansas. They just sent another letter of intent to Alex Collins father by fax.
And Alex Collins went to Arkansas and gained over 3800 yards from scrimmage in three years. And Momma Collins cried on every yard.
Collins did a little bit of everything for Arkansas. He ran the ball, he caught some passes, he blocked and he even returned kicks and punts.
No matter what he does, Collins has a real nose for the end zone scoring 36 TDs while at Arkansas.
He a fun runner to watch. In High School he ran track for South Plantation and you can see that speed on the field. Collins accelerate fast to the hole.
And Collins runs hungry. He fights for extra yards on every play. He’s a very physical runner punishing defenders.
But what really catches my eye with Collins is his balance.
He runs with incredible balance. He’s not easy to bring down because of it.
Sometimes he’s not easy to catch because of that balance. He changes direction with ease while the defenders try to change position and end up having to chase him.
Kind of reminds me a of certain scale. If Alex Collins was an Alien Weapon of Destruction, he would be a an Intergalactic Planetary Galactic Scale.
So let’s bring Alex Collins back to Miami….for his Momma!
Watch his highlights here
Finsmob Unleashed 
I like Collins a lot!
But I don’t think we can go RB that early in the draft!
Would anyone commit Harry Carry if we went this way in the draft?
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 13: Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 11: Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson (A)
Round 3 Pick 10: Jaylon Smith, OLB/ILB, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 4 Pick 9: Keanu Neal, FS, Florida (A-)
Round 5 Pick 8: Morgan Burns, CB, Kansas State (B-)
Round 6 Pick 11: Josh Ferguson, RB, Illinois (A+)
Round 7 Pick 6: Parker Ehinger, OG, Cincinnati (B-)
Round 7 Pick 10: Geronimo Allison, WR, Illinois (A+)
I’d probably say Kudos and crack a beer. It’s not perfect, no draft is. But it’s sound in several areas, and could be a homerun in the 3rd with Smith if he fully recovers ‘as’ expected.
I really like Conklin’s demeanor & Dodd is an ascending big prototype DE that can get after the QB.
My only thing is, if we gamble on Jaylon Smith in the 3rd, then you kinda need to double down on a healthy LB somewhere else in the draft to groom.
Remember I liked guys like Kiawotski, Elandon Roberts, BJ Goodson as later round gems.
Pigman, good stuff on Collins. Ya might remember him being a fav of mine early on. He’s beastly.
I agreed with your thoughts on Treadwell on the last blog. But somehow it seems to be lodged in my mind for some reason.
What’s the deal on Treadwell? We won’t be drafting him, but he could become a trade down option for us.
In Collins I see good college speed, he runs downhill well, but I wouldn’t take him before the 3rd round. I don’t see any fight in him between the tackles, but maybe that was just those highlights.
I like Drake in the 3rd. Reminds me of a Percy Harvin type skill as a receiver but a better RB too.
Do we need a big power back for that short yardage pick up, or is Ajayi already that guy for us?
GD…I read earlier in the week after his pro day 40 time he would drop like a rock. Then I read his rebuttal , namely his game speed is fine. Makes catches he is meant to and knows how to find the end zone. My mind goes back to Landry and how he has worked out. I still want OL but don’t be surprised if Mr.T and Grier do some trading to make this scenario happen. I wouldn’t put it past them to something like this.
I wasn’t worried about the clocked speed of Tredwell. But no way in hell does Tbomb go WR in the 1st in back to back years, with gaping holes on Defense. No way.
Maybe, and only maybe, if there was a Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Randy Moss type in this draft class. But Treadwell is none of those.
Collins was an ideal fit for Bielema’s blueprint on offense with his light feet to make sharp cuts, but also his physical nature to welcome contact, finish forward and do most of his damage between the tackles. Collins is a physical runner, but needs to improve his pad level and ball security to be more reliable at the next level.
Although he won’t consistently create on his own, Collins has an excellent blend of quickness, patience and power to get what is blocked for him and contribute as an NFL rookie.
What RD can we take Cecil Collins?
Alex Collins 5 broken tackles in 475 carries? There ain’t nuthin’ physical bout that!
Does fumble too much. I’m more sold on Drake as an all around RB for us to pair nicely with Ajayi….or gamble on a guy just learning the position, but has mad skill in the Irish’s CJ Prosise.
Oh, and meant to add Tyler Ervin….he’s a speed demon weapon too, but smaller than Drake, but a 4th-5th round guy.
Again, if we think Ajayi & a vet RB can be our short yardage and between the tackle pounders, then a kid like Ervin is a great tandem change up back & 3rd down weapon too. I know Ajayi is a 3rd down weapon as well. This is one of those tandem parts, depending on the game situation.
You can also look at the draft as a whole as opposed to what position you take when. Meaning at the end of the day did you add quality prospects that can help your team at some needed positions. That’s the main objective isn’t it?
Huh? Nobody’s talking to you….lol 😉
Bastard! LOL
Nice scouting report but we no longer need a RB now that we have DT3
LOL
As of right now we still might have only one RB on the roster who will be on the final 53.
Right now DT3 is no 2 on the depth chart.
LOL @ Tim, don’t feel bad. Many times I jump on the board and if I don’t address anyone in particular, and just make a random post, i get crickets….lol
It’s all good. 🙂
Lee downunder was talking Tbomb making a surprise move & drafting Treadwell in the 1st. What do you think?
I say no, but I do see a surprise move that Tbomb might make & that would be Zeke Elliot in the 1st. I guess that’s not a huge surprise, but everyone seems against taking a RB in the 1st round these days. they grow on draft trees. 😉
When you look at our RBs Williams is no lock to make the team. He was a UDFA a couple of years ago and he’s not a complete back. We could add 3 UDFAs at RB this year and one makes it and Williams does not. We could draft a RB and he makes it along with Ajayi. Then maybe we add another vet back later in the offseason and those are our 4 backs. So Williams, Pead, DT3 and Edwards are out.
Whose this Edwards you speak of. Didn’t the Enquirer expose his affairs and he had to drop out of the race?
Ken, there is no depth chart right now. The coaches haven’t worked with anyone yet to determine anything.
There is always a depth chart. It doesn’t mean it will be the same depth chart week 1
I think we need to add a RB via the draft
And I think day 2 is the target
I think we made a mistake letting Miller go and trying to get a restricted free agent like CJ Anderson
I like the limited spending this offseason
But we fucked up by opening a whole at RB and now we have to address it
The later in the draft you wait, the less likely it is to get some one to fill that void
Letting Miller go was a big mistake. Biggest mistake of the off season imo. We took a position of relative strength with Miller and Ajayi and made into a weakness. Miller’s contract was not a cap buster. I do agree that we will draft a RB this year. We essentially have to at this point.
We made a fair offer to Miller and he left us because he researched Houston as a team that commits to the run and Gase could not promise him a specific workload which is understandable. Miller chose Houston because of that and more money.
I’m not worried about the RB position. It’s not that difficult to add a couple of quality backs to go along with Ajayi. It really isn’t. It’s not like we’re going to be a 35 pound the rock team anyway. Probably more in the 25-28 range with a tandem. Not a big deal. Ajayi is also talented and has 3 down ability.
Pigman, my question earlier, maybe a poll could be done, is…since we can all agree we need to draft a RB now.
Do you want a big pounder back or a smaller scat back?
Mike
You must have read that stat in Bullshit.com
Alex Collins breaks more than 5 tackles in the first 30 seconds of that highlight reel I posted alone – much less over his first 475 carries
He is a very physical back
In a physical conference where defense is emphasized
I see collins as a guy who contributes right away in the NFL
“Broken Tackles” is often an arbitrary stat
But 5 in 500 carries is pretty absurd and unbelievable
IMO Collins weakness is that he pushes a bit too hard
And has ball security issues bc of it
But he is definately a scrappy back who fight for extra yardage
Much more so than Henry for instance – who’s huge but doesn’t fight very hard for extra yardage
Good points. But yeah, that 16 fumbles thing is a red flag.
It’s bc he fights for extra yardage
The scouting report below mentions that
As well as his lack of experience in the passing game
But does he have an issue breaking tackles
No freaking way!
Maybe they just don’t count carrying the defender 4 yards downfield as a broken tackle
The guy is a beast
http://nflmocks.com/2015/10/07/heard-arkansas-rb-alex-collins/
Here is another scouting report on Alex Collins
It emphasizes his physical style
Actually, I know I would be in the minority here but I see DT3 sticking and being the bigger back.Then we draft a smaller quick back, maybe Keith Marshall, I’m sure there are several that meet that requirement. I always thought DT3 was a better back than Williams and the previous staff made a mistake by releasing him.
Williams is the better receiver and can return kicks both jobs that DT3 was not particularly good at. DT3 may be the better runner but I am not sure that is saying much.
Williams sucks on KRs. He drops the ball all the time and does not pick up big yardage. DT3 is also a good receiver and most of his better plays were as a receiver. But again, I’m not sure either make the team this year.
Alex Collins vs Texas A&M
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iTGrL3_oP7A
I don’t think williams or DT3 really give us much of a future on ST or offense
We need to draft a quality RB
I just don’t see anyway around that
I was hoping all of our early picks this draft were on defense
But I’m not sure that 2 of our first 3 picks aren’t OL and RB
I can see CB, OL and RB as our first 3 picks
In no particular order
I think RB is a value position like most of you
And you can find good ones late and even as UDFA
But you are taking a chance when you do that
And we aren’t in great position to take that chance after losing Miller and failing to sign Anderson
DT and Pead change nothing
Not squiring another RB to pair with Ajayi
Will really make me sweat
😓
I was hoping for a draft focused on LB DB and OL but now we must put RB into the equation
Yeah
I think it’s a big misstep by the FO
It’s really my only grievance so far though
The trade down is not such a big deal to me
And it might work out well
Of course if a player like Jack or Ramsey fall to 8 but are drafted before 12 – I think he trade down is a huge miss
I don’t mind being pennywise like we have been though
I wanted that to happen
uwantwat says:
April 2, 2016 at 12:46 pm
Actually, I know I would be in the minority here but I see DT3 sticking and being the bigger back.Then we draft a smaller quick back, maybe Keith Marshall, I’m sure there are several that meet that requirement. I always thought DT3 was a better back than Williams and the previous staff made a mistake by releasing him.
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So did the Bears make a mistake too?
Bears released RB Daniel Thomas.
Very clearly on his last NFL legs, Thomas failed to beat out Ka’Deem Carey and Sinorise Perry behind Jeremy Langford, Quizz Rodgers, and Matt Forte.
I see 5 day 2 options at RB
Collins
Howard
Henry
Booker
And Dixon
I think one of those guys is a 🐬 In 2016
It’s a tough pill to swallow bc it means we miss out on OL or defense that we could have drafted early
But I think it needs to happen
I also think it’s evidence of a misstep by the FO
It may pay off with the comp pick in 2017
But in 2016 – what do we do?
I think we draft a RB fairly early
Smart Pig^
How could you not have Drake in there? Even Prosise, maybe Williams whom some consider as good or better at times than Collins?
Probably
I have my top 6 except Elliot who is a 1st rounder
Drake and Proise are probably next up
I won’t complain about drafting a guy like that
But I’m not sure those guys go before the 4th round gets started
Some team has to like them more the the other guys I listed
Or not like the other guys
We might end up being a team that rushes the ball 25-28 times on average.
Ajayi: 14 RPG totals 224 for the season
Rookie: 8 RPG totals 128 for the season
Tannehill: 3 RPG totals 48 for the season (which is about what he’s averaged in his career)
#3 back: 2.5 RPG totals 40 for the season
Landry: 1 RPG totals 16 for the season (he had 18 last year)
That’s 456 RPG which totals 28.5 per game. Gase has said he looks at running the ball from an efficiency standpoint, not necessarily YPCA. He said if it’s 3rd and 2 and we get 2 or 3 yards we did our job but the YPCA doesn’t jump out at you.
So this is why I’m not worried about the RB position.
getterdone says:
April 2, 2016 at 12:34 pm
Pigman, my question earlier, maybe a poll could be done, is…since we can all agree we need to draft a RB now.
Do you want a big pounder back or a smaller scat back?
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See Tim, crickets…and I even addressed a blogger in the post. 😦
Drafting a RB does not mean we miss out on anything. We have 8 draft picks.
With our first 4 picks if we come away with 2 defense, 1 OL and 1 RB in no particular order we’re good. There is no perfect order for any of those positions if they’re good prospects.
We don’t need to draft a QB, a TE, a WR, a DT or a S so our needs are not as dire as some suggest.
But but but, Mike E, says we need Hunter Henry, & Lou Lou says we need Carson Wentz & Piggy says we need Johnny Cash @ S.
Hogwash! LOL
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Guys we offered Miller a fair contract and he turned it down. He left us, we didn’t let him walk. If we let him walk we wouldn’t have offered him a deal but that wasn’t the case. Offering him a 4 year deal at $5+M per was not letting him walk.
I’ve said this before, and same with OV. They were both considered the top 2 UFA’s at their positions. It happens to teams. Ya try to keep them, but sometimes the money isn’t there, thanks to the Suh contract, but in fairness he did restructure.
OV was not worth what he got, we all know that. He is not an elite pass rusher. He’s a good player, not a great player and he got paid like one.
Correct, but we did offer OV like $12M per. After that, he was free to walk…lol
We made a decision not to resign Miller for his market value
And we made a decision to pursue Cj Anderson a restricted free agent
The combination put us in a hole at RB
I don’t think there is much more to it than that
As a whole it was poorly strategized by the FO
We should not be looking at RB as a need
Piggy, 4 years at $22M was fair market value. Houston went a bit higher but Miller chose them because they likely told him he’d be the bell cow. Gase couldn’t commit to that. How could he, he doesn’t even know the team that well yet and he doesn’t have his offense in place yet.
So the rumors of us trading for RB Knile Davis are still out there. Here’s a look at his combine profile 3 years ago.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/knile-davis?id=2540178
He is a nice speed back
But I don’t esnt to give up much
7th rounder at best. Next year these type of deals will get crazier with comp picks.
Tim
If we have to draft a RB on day 2 on a pick that could have been used on another position
It certainly decreases the chances we man a solid player at another position
My point is that since we let miller go and dos not sign Anderson
We probably have to take a RB on day 2
And that was a spot I previously slotted for another position
That need for an extra back was created this offseason
But that could be said of any position really. Depends who’s on the boards at the time & BPA scenarios as well.
Except we didn’t have a need at RB at the start of this offseason
It’s not like we didn’t have the $ to spend to keep Miller
Or like we targeted a FA we were sure to get
Or the 4th or 5th rd for a RB. Like I said, if we land 2 defense, 1 OL and 1 RB with our first 4 picks, what’s the big deal? You guys are always all about keeping draft picks than you treat most of them as not that valuable. So our 4th thru 7th rd picks are just fodder? Then let’s trade them to move up in the top 3 rounds if you can’t land anyone worth anything with them.
Miller left us by the way, I just outlined it in a previous post. Letting a guy walk is not offering him a deal. We offered Miller a fair contract. He chose Houston.
Nope. Not realizing or appreciating his value BEFORE he hit FA is why he is gone. Once we let him hit the market someone else was going to outbid us. If we would have offered him the same exact contract (which we didn’t) then he probably wouldn’t have left.
Agreed Piggy. If we do in fact wind up drafting a back we have not improved our team with that pick, we are merely replacing what we already had. Miller would have been a beast in this offense if used effectively, and it will be a big loss going forward.
Miller chose Houston. You guys need to accept that.
See above.
And it has nothing to do with accepting it or not accepting it Tim. It’s these types of decisions that have has us spinning out wheels for the past decade.
Brian, it is improving our team because we lost the bid for Miller. This happens with all teams. The Lions weren’t happy about losing Suh & then Fairly too.
The only issue I have is I kept saying way back before free agency was close to beginning that we should’ve put a contract in front of Miller, like the day after we hired Gase, with Adam calling Miller and telling him he’d get plenty of action between rushes & receiving.
oh well, it’s a done deal now.
Piggy
I got that stat from NFL.com, AKA bullshit.com 🙂
Weaknesses One speed runner. Doesn’t play with natural one-cut stride length and everything comes off stutter-stepping, choppy strides. Feel for outside runs is off. Breaks runs back inside prematurely that still have life along their original track. Can’t generate enough momentum through contact acceleration to be a tackle breaker. Credited with just five broken tackles over his last 475 carries. Unproven as pass catcher and inconsistent in squaring up his pass protection responsibilities. Has 17 career fumbles with nine lost.
As much as I like Miller and would have loved to keep him, he turned down a fair deal from us no matter how you slice it. He has never been a bell cow RB for many reasons but wanted to be paid like an elite. So now 4 years $22M wasn’t fair market value? Those are the numbers that were out there prior to FA for him. You guys are wrong on this.
Ok we are all wrong, sorry.
https://www.spotrac.com/blog/calculating-the-market-value-for-potential-nfl-free-agents-or-extension-candidates/
Lamar Miller, MIA
Calculated: 4 years, $20M ($5M AAV)
Likely: 5 years $26.25M ($5.25M AAV)
After an 1100+ yard/8 TD campaign in 2014, Miller fell out of favor a bit in Miami by the end of the 2015 season. It’s likely he hits the open market, with potential to be a legitimate RB1. He’ll be 25 years old in a few months, and has shown he has a nose for the end zone AND can hold on to the football well. He matches up well with Mark Ingram (NO, $4M), and Ryan Mathews (PHI, $3.6M), so a rising cap mixed with a bit more consistency should warrant Miller a $4M+ AAV this offseason.
Tim:
We didn’t make a Miller a fair offer. We tried to low ball him. He got a fair offer from Houston – not a cap buster. Now we have to a draft a RB when otherwise we would not have to. So yes we are missing out talent at another position.
Not true. See above.
It is true. We didn’t make a strong push to keep Miller. We got outbid and we made no effort after that.
I have a feeling we get Zeke if he’s still on the board in the 1st. He’s considered an elite type RB & would come a lot cheaper for the next 4yrs & Ajayi for the next 3.
Then start the process over again if need be.
He won’t be there he might have been at 8 oh wait a minute. No way Philadelphia passes on him oh wait a minute
I don’t think Miller was anything to go crazy over. I’m sure we’ll find a back in the draft to replace him.
I think he was our best weapon the last 2 years and he will not be so easily replaced
Ken
Think of the upside. If Miller kills it, he might get us a better compensatory pick! lol
I would rather have the draft pick now but instead we have to use a pick on a RB instead of one of the many other positions of need
It’s not about the player to me Tim
It’s not about Miller
It’s about creating a hole and not machining the value of our draft pick
I do think Miller can be replaced via draft
I just think we need to do that now bc of the way we handled the offseason
This is like the Twilight Zone. Weren’t most of you saying how $5-6M+ was too much for Miller back before FA? lol
Not I
Most people here wanted to resign Miller
And most people here didn’t want to b looking to draft an OG or RB in the draft
I personally wanted our draft to be dedicated to defense
Now that can’t happen
It’s not that easy to just find someone to replace Miller. Haven’t we learned this with this team time and time again? Even if we draft Elliot in the first, that pick could have been used to satisfy one of our many other needs.
I agree, but the NFL is a business. I too wanted to pay Miller well before FA. Hell, I was saying this with 3 games to go in Dec.
But, he’s gone. They like what they see in Ajayi & figured all they need now is a complimentary RB.
If they thought that wat GD, then they wouldn’t have offered Miller a contract at all.
way
We could have been taking the BPA on defense on every one of our early picks
Now we have needs to fill
I don’t know how you guys are arguing otherwise
That is what happened over the last month bc of the way we handled the free agency period
Im glad we didn’t go after a high priced FA
But I’m not glad we have holes to fill
Every team has holes to fill. pick your poison.
It’s not that simple
When we swap guys out year after year we don’t build on what we have
I didn’t want to spend much in free agency
But I didn’t want to see a lot of changes
And now we have a lot of changes
Generally I don’t think you want to leave March with more holes to fill
We’ve got to draft something. So the FO went out to fill other holes in FA, such as DE, OT, S, LB, CB.
They know this, and now have more cushion to draft a RB when & where they want, along with other needs too.
I get that (although the CB positon is still a big need as we simply swapped Maxwell for Grimes), but we really didn’t need to create more holes. We still have a need at LB, CB, DE, G and RB.
Those can be filled between our 8 draft picks & more FA to come, as well as post June cuts.
We didn’t fill a hole in FA
We replaced a CB and a DR
We are taking shots at LB and S
Those players might work at well
But they aren’t sure things – and yes sometimes you pick up a player that you can at least ink in as the #1 barring catastrophic injury
I like the OT we signed but we still need OG help
We probably could have just kept Miller and made similar moves
Always seems like we are eager to make changes instead of building on what we have
Bingo! Piggy is preaching today.
I do think RBs, unless
They are AP are always replaceable
And the draft is the best way to do that
You just have to choose wisely
If it was as easy as replacing players via the draft and free acency, then we would actually have a good team.
Ahh, therein lies the rub. Need a good FO & scouting dept., along with coaching. We seemed to fix the FO, and now have new coaching too.
If we pay every good UFA coming off his rookie deal what the market is offering then we’ll not have enough to improve other areas as well. It’s a fine line balancing act.
It’s not like the FO didn’t try to sign both Miller & OV. Maybe the emphasis should have been stronger on Miller at the time, but it was a precarious position at the time on both positions of need with Wake injured & Dion FF suspended.
So we lost out. Time to regroup and overcome!
Miller’s contract was not a cap buster. Vernon’s was and we did the right thing in letting him go.
Miller is they kind of guy we should have kept. We drafted him. Developed him. He got better every year and just as he is about to enter his prime we let him walk.
We didn’t let him walk. We set a target & he went for not much more elsewhere. Fuggem!
The big problem with Miller
Is that we didn’t use him
We basically kept him fresh so the Texans get the benefit
😫
Honestly, some of you forget all the times Miller couldn’t get 3@1 or #@2 to keep drives alive. Sure he had those big runs bit to me he was a bit over-rated. I watch him drop easy screen passes because he was thinking about how clear he was. We offered him a fair deal and he turned it down, it happens all the time. I still wouldn’t take a RB early unless Zeke fell to us @ 13. Plenty available in the lower rounds or UDFA. Then there will be some unexpected cuts after June 1st. Why panic now?
We all discussed the market value for Miller for months prior to FA. Everyone was discussing between $4-6M per and many were not keen on going north of $6M per. We offered him 4 years $5.5M per and Houston gave him 4 years $6.5M per. There was nothing low ball about our offer. Houston went above his projected market value. Now everyone is trying to revise history because you’re bummed that he left. That makes it convenient to blame the front office. If that makes you feel better go for it but it’s not accurate.
I said that our projections were unrealistic and he will get better than that on the open market. I mean guys were talking 4-5 million a year. That was never going to happen
They always get more on the open market. That’s why we never should have let him get there.
The value of the contract means nothing Tim, only the guaranteed money. Houston gave him $14 million guaranteed, and I think we offered him $10 Million or $11 Million. That’s a big difference
I think they banked also on him being from the area as a Cane grad & the fact that FL has not state tax. Can’t win them all. It sucks, but he wasn’t being used much anyways. Thanks Philbin!
Texas has no state income tax either.
Wouldn’t it be funny if DT3, Williams and the rookies got Pead on.
GD…The reason why DT3 got beat was simple, teams like to keep their new toys. Over here we call it “shinytoyitis”. He was the very last man to be cut as well.
GD,
If you can make either of those happen for me you’ll never hear another word about Miller from me.
LMAO, I know right. I figured it would lighten the mood. 😆
I didn’t know about Texas State tax, thanks for the info.
Now back to spilled milk……
I don’t even think Miller left because of a $1M per year difference. I think he felt he’d have a better chance as a bell cow back in Houston. That’s really what he wanted. So he left.
It’s the guaranteed money and it’s a big difference.
Good night folks…4am here.
Good night
Peace
It’s amazing to me how some folks view Miller. He simply wasn’t all that. You guys talk about him like he ran for 1300 yards 5 years in a row or something. Draft a RB after the 3rd round and go from there. We throw 65-70% of the time, and we’ll be running two backs like pretty much everybody else. RB just doesn’t have value high in the draft…unless he’s a plug-and-play, surefire 20-25 carry a game guy. I like Ajayi, and I’m okay going with him and another guy carrying 25ish times a game combined. It’s all about the OL anyway, dammit! Lol
OL? What OL? You call that an OL? OL?
It’s not so much about Miller as it is needing 2 capable RBs
I think Miller can be a special back if he gets the touches but I’m amazed at how people viewed us as low balling him. He has never proven to be a bell cow back yet he wanted to be guaranteed that status wherever he went prior to proving it. We’ll see if he’s up to it.
I agree Randy, it’s been a while since I said that 😉
Since we threw the ball so much, when Miller did run and gained large chunks the D wasn’t expecting it, then when we needed him to run when they were expecting it he sucked. Lot of people are basing how great they thought Miller was by his YPC and his homerun threat.
I say don’t let the door…Miller.
GDP is into milk porn
Hey, Milk does a body good!
You guys act like we offered Miller $3M per year. That’s low balling. We offered him $5.5 and he got $6.5. That’s not a big difference.
Do you guys know Miller and his agent were targeting Houston as a possible destination over a year ago? Why, because they have finished top 5 in rushing attempts the last 3 seasons. That’s why he went there.
I agree that Millers contract at the end of the day wasn’t a cap bust
Philosophically I can understand the logic of not paying RBs a lot
But I would have expected the money we had to be spent to sign an OG or soemthing
And that didn’t happen
Instead we made a play for a little less $ in a restricted free agent
And we missed out on that
I just don’t see that as a smart play guys
We tried to save a little bit of money
And risked not spending any and getting nothing
And we ended up not getting that
That was my whole point bringing up the topic
I see that as a miss by the FO
And now you have to spend a higher pick on a RB
I don’t think they planned to go to the draft needing to treat RB as a priority
We should not be throwing that much Randy
Not without an elite QB
I’m not sure now that Philbin is gone we are quite as finesse as we have been
I thought DT3 ran/played hard at the end of his time here. I liked how he was running. The kid has some talent. I would have no problem giving him 8 carries a game. Can he protect because that was more of an issue for him from before.
He learned how to block on the scout team….lol
He wasn’t a good blocker and he is not a good receiver out of the backfield. I don’t see him as the answer to our need for another RB. Also he couldn’t really cut it anywhere else so not sure why we should feel he can be productive here at this stage of his career.
DT is a very good receiver our of the backfield. We just didn’t utilize him a lot like many other backs that have come through here.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14056/daniel-thomas
Now you are just being cute
You already know what DT is
We all do
Texans have a cursed history of injured RB’s. I’d be afraid if I was Millertime, very afraid.
https://twitter.com/awardsdarwin/status/715638908600643585
I thought Chinese kids were smart?
LMAO. Hopefully that takes care of his ability to reproduce.
https://twitter.com/awardsdarwin/status/716280484054110208
Hey kids don’t wizz on the electric fence.
In hindsight we might be better off not paying Miller or Anderson that money and use that money elsewhere. I think we can be good at RB with Ajayi and a rookie back. I posted earlier a committee approach that still accomplishes the same results. The difference is one back doesn’t get most of the workload and numbers. To me it’s not about one guy, it’s about the total production.
“We might end up being a team that rushes the ball 25-28 times on average.
Ajayi: 14 RPG totals 224 for the season
Rookie: 8 RPG totals 128 for the season
Tannehill: 3 RPG totals 48 for the season (which is about what he’s averaged in his career)
#3 back: 2.5 RPG totals 40 for the season
Landry: 1 RPG totals 16 for the season (he had 18 last year)
That’s 456 RPG which totals 28.5 per game. Gase has said he looks at running the ball from an efficiency standpoint, not necessarily YPCA. He said if it’s 3rd and 2 and we get 2 or 3 yards we did our job but the YPCA doesn’t jump out at you.
So this is why I’m not worried about the RB position.”
I would prefer our FO has foresight rather than fortunate hindsight
So now RB is a primary position I see. It’s funny how opinions change when circumstances change.
So now Ajayi and a solid rookie RB aren’t capable of producing what we need out of the running game?
Randy says:
April 2, 2016 at 2:35 pm
I thought DT3 ran/played hard at the end of his time here. I liked how he was running. The kid has some talent.
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LOL@Randy. So you’re ok with DT3, but not Tanny. Need to replace him. Ohh the hypocrisy. 😆
https://twitter.com/awardsdarwin/status/715968548292657152
Now he has a 3rd eye, so what’s the problem?
https://twitter.com/awardsdarwin/status/715912091807457280
Some people like to climb on from behind. Is that wrong?
Tim:
DT3 was not a particularly good receiving back. He had a couple of good moments but he was very inconsistent with both his hands and very limited in routes he can run. Miller on the other hand improved dramatically as a receiving threat over his career. You watch some of the routes he ran last year and you can see how he really improved. He was getting open down the field. Thomas never did anything like that nor was he a good pass protector which Miller was.
I’m not comparing DT3 to Miller. But catching the ball was one of DT3’s strengths. It was never a weakness. He caught about 75% of the passes thrown his way. The knock on him was fumbles and sub par YPCA.
Piggy,
I’d like to see us throw less, but I’m not sure that’s gonna happen. 70% would be very high, but we’ll hover around that 65-68% area, more than likely.
I would like to see a little over 50%
And then see if Tannehill can step is his game a notch
If we had better Interior OL and 2 good RBs and a reliable defense
That might work well for us
But we are farther than that then I hoped for
Sadly I think you see the same thing I do with this team. Too many holes and not enough draft choices to realistically fill them
Tim I think a rookie and Ajayi will work
I don’t think that was planned though
Why make a play on Cj Anderson if that was the plan
That’s not foresight
We tried to re-sign Miller and then sign Anderson. You’re acting like we didn’t try. I never said anything about foresight. I said in hindsight it might work out better not locking up a lot of money at the RB position and still get the production we’re looking for.
Hypothetical:
Ajayi
Rush: 225-968 4.3 8 TD
Rec: 40-320 8.0 2 TD
Rookie
Rush: 130-538 4.3 3 TD
Rec: 25-200 8.0 1 TD
That’s 355-1,527 11 TD rushing and 65-520 and 3 TD receiving from the tailback position. That’s productive stuff from a tandem but no bell cow stud numbers.
I’m fine with a tandem
My point is not so much about Miller
It’s about the miss
I would rather have our RBs in place already
Piggy, you trying to post a bunch to flush my milk porn off the board to Herd doesn’t see it? 🙂
gdp
Geez, I didn’t realize a backup running back who may only get less than 10 carries a game should carry the same expectations as a “franchise QB”. Lol
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I never said DT3 was anything special. I just thought he ran hard when he was here.
LOL, I know. I’m just busting balls when I see an opening. Kinda like that Chinese kid.
I don’t think the kid saw the opening.
Piggy,
50% would be awfully low. That would completely shock me. And, it would also tell me what they think of Tannehill.
Did I reveal my thoughts on Tannehill with that post…👿
50% is 80s football
But the think the Ravens have been successful with less passing in recent years
I don’t know what there numbers are
Maybe the bengals too
Ravens are throwing the ball a lot more now a days. No longer the balanced run attack they once were
Don’t misunderstand me
I am fine drafting a RB
I just don’t think that was the plan
FA changes draft plans for every team.
It’s not that you need to scale Tanny’s passing way down, as much as you need to have better efficiency running the ball & blocking on the OL, then his passing whether 55%-65% will be fine!!!
Less passing might work out well for his development
Less by virtue of an effective run game.
Looks like Ifo never recovered
😥
Probably good reason to take Jaylon Smith off our boards (until at least day 3)
Alright got to run. Peace to you all.
Last year we were a 63 pass/37 rush team. I’d like to see us be more like a 56 pass/44 rush team at the least.
Piggy, Seattle was a 49 pass/51 rush team last year.
The would be a great ratio
We put the ball in the air 99 more times than Seattle did and they kept it on the ground 157 more times than we did and they play for a championship every year. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
Tim Knight says:
April 2, 2016 at 2:57 pm
I’m not comparing DT3 to Miller. But catching the ball was one of DT3’s strengths. It was never a weakness. He caught about 75% of the passes thrown his way. The knock on him was fumbles and sub par YPCA.
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Tim, the knock on DT3 was his feet.
He actually is a good one cut runner but he lacks a 5th gear.
He’s not real agressive either
Not great vision
Most of the time his runs go nowhere
I hope Gase and Christensen use more of a mobile pocket in the passing game with waggles, bootlegs and designed roll-outs as opposed to so much stationary shotgun pocket plays. I think it suits Tannehill’s strengths better and committing to the running game more opens up more play-action passing, keeps the defense off the field and allows the offense to control the game more. It’s not rocket science, it’s kind of football 101 when you have an athletic QB with a good arm.
If this is true
The Browns are idiots
Piggy, DT3 is kind of an enigma. He’s a Jekyll and Hyde type back. He looks the part at times, makes quick decisions and picks up positive yards. Then sometimes runs into the mosh and just tries to drive for yards through a pile and ends up with 0-3 yards. I’ve also seen him push a pile for an extra 4-6 yards. But at the end of the day he’s an average RB who lacks a 5th gear to take advantage of an open field run. He’s not a home run hitter, he’s a decent double and singles guy.
Tim,
Tannehill is athletic for his size, but he’s not elusive. More plays where you’re moving him around are fine, but he needs to develop from inside the pocket. Read options and roll outs are definitely strengths for Tanny…use them more for sure, but that’s always going to be secondary to making plays from the pocket in 2.5 seconds. That’s where Tanny needs to improve. Manage the pocket, read the WHOLE defense and make an accurate throw that gives your guy a chance to get YAC….press the ball down the field….don’t just take the comfortable 6 yard throw all the time.
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You can’t use Tanny like Wilson, for example. Wilson is a more elusive and natural runner. Tanny needs to use his legs to make a play with his arm, and he has made some really nice plays that way. Wilson can use his legs to do either. Tanny’s not quite that sort of runner/scrambler. He’s a plenty good enough athlete, that’s obvious…focus on developing his pocket skills. That’s what will allow him to take that next step in his development.
What do you know, I agree. 🙂
Tannehill started to hit on more down the field stuff last year. Look at our receiver’s YPCA’s. He had his highest YPA last season.
Landry, Parker and Stills are a good WR corps moving forward and all three are really young at 23 years old. I think people have a major oversight here. This could be a high octane group.
Tim,
Yes, Tanny did hit more deep plays, but the vast majority of his completions were short. That isn’t even a really bad thing in and of itself. I’d prefer he increase his average another yard though. And remember, we were playing from behind and throwing a lot. Hopefully, we can drop his attempts a year by about 100 simply by playing with leads and running the ball more. I’d really like to see a 30 TD year too. Too many missed opportunities last year where the play was there to be made if not for bad execution.
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I agree with your point about the talent we have on offense…although I’m not as high on them as you are. But, we still need to see them produce on the field…and I mean produce as in wins. Screw stats…start winning games. To do that, we need to score more.
One thing I’d like to point out is the run/pass ratio we had, and what we desire (more balance) is not a knock on Tannehill.
Specifically to Lou, in response to your earlier post about Tannehill, I think Tannehill will do better throwing less, because the defense will have to contend with a less obvious offense, and they will be forced to guess more. We were so damn predictable last year, and if we have better balance, everyone will benefit from it. I actually think his TD’s can go up, while keeping his INT’s about the same or lower. That’s what we need from him in this offense.
One thing we all have to realize is Tannehill is not an INT machine like some other QBs. The most he ever threw in a season was 17 three years ago. 12/13, 24/17, 27/12 and 24/12. That’s a positive but overlooked on how many pass attempts – 2,248. He throws a pick every 42 attempts. That’s very good.
I think Landry, Parker, Stills and Cameron can be really productive this year. All the WRs are currently 23 years old with NFL experience under their belts and Cameron is 27. Don’t overlook that. They could be dominant in 2016 in Gase’s and Christensen’s offense.
Okay here we go. LOL
13: R1P13 ILB REGGIE RAGLAND ALABAMA
42: R2P11 RB DERRICK HENRY ALABAMA
73: R3P10 C NICK MARTIN NOTRE DAME
107: R4P9 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
147: R5P8 CB JAMES BRADBERRY SAMFORD
186: R6P11 OT BRANDON SHELL SOUTH CAROLINA
227: R7P6 DE ANTHONY ZETTEL PENN STATE
231: R7P10 CB KEIVARAE RUSSELL NOTRE DAME
Wow look at all those Crimson Tides and Fighting Irish. LOL
I think this draft helps us be more physical with some more punch than we’ve had in the past.
Got two of my boys in that one, Reggie and Cyrus. I would say from RD 2 on, all those picks are possible. I would be shocked if we actually took Reggie, but very pleased.
I think Ragland begins the transition from Misi who is our most physical LB but he’s not a pure LB like Ragland and has durability issues. Looking at next year we gain another $5M moving on from Misi so we can either re-sign Alonso or he proved to not be the same guy he once looked to be.
My pick of Martin is protection against Pouncey breaking down. He’s had durability issues the last two seasons. So has his twin brother in PIT. Martin can also play G but he’s more of a natural center.
Oh Lord no. Tim has gone to the side of lil Nicky….lol
I don’t get it.
Hillary Clinton showed her wild side at an LGBT event at SoHo’s Capitale, where the presidential wannabe sported a leather jacket, boasted about her Democratic-leading campaign and ran a red light on her way out.
Stars including Rosie O’Donnell, Billie Jean King and former Rep. Barney Frank — celebrating his 76th birthday — were all in the house as Hill went on a roll.
“She told everyone, ‘I have a million more votes than Donald, and oh, by the way, I have 2 1/2 million more than Bernie Sanders!” says an event insider.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/hillary-clinton-wears-leather-talks-trash-blows-stop-article-1.2585665
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God help us all if she’s the one selected to be commander in chief….SMH!
gotta admit she is the most qualified to step in on day 1 and lead. Her husband governed,wife of past president 8 years, Health care developer, Senator, Secretary of state-most traveled and has met every current world leader.There hasn’t been a presidential candiate this qualified in American history
This is a woman who didn’t care that her husband stuffed a cigar in an intern’s pussy and they both lie through their teeth for their own egomaniacal gains. Yeah that’s the ticket. Oy!
Tim
I never said Tannehill was an INT machine, I think he’s been pretty damn good in that regard. It’s the TD’s that need to go up, and I think if we have balance, with the receivers we have, it will easily happen. We have to a run game though, one we can count on almost every game.
That was just me rambling, not an indictment on you. LOL
One reason is he has thrown a ton of short passes up to this point in his career. Those are a lot less likely to be picked off.
Tanny doesn’t throw a lot of INTs because he tends to throw a lot of short, low risk passes. The dilemma is; do you let him throw more jump balls down the field to increase your big play potential, or do you tell him to keep throwing short, safe passes and matriculate the ball down the field? If you’re pushing the ball down the field more, INTs will go up….but so might your big plays.
Where will he have the time to throws the downfield balls you speak of?
That started last year with the emergence of Parker – a WR with the size, speed and athleticism ratio RT has never had at WR – it was a half a season, have some hope. LOL
The numbers don’t lie and they’re all still young.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/mia
Ragland won’t be hitting guys in the NFL like he did in college. I guarantee you he’ll need to scale it back due to the emphasis on NOT tackling in the NFL. Lol
LOL, he wipes guys out a lot on film. He’s the best ILB in this draft.
gdp
Oh right…that’s IF our OL doesn’t suck…my bad. I always forget we need to add a “only if” when we talk about Tanny. Lol
The same goes for the Giants and Eli. Their OL has struggled but he’s also a tough SOB.
Well, you guys always are using the “only if’s” when it applies to Tanny too. LOL
He’s a pariah unfortunately. He’s treated like a run of the mill QB when he’s much better than that. Just like Giants fans with Eli and he helped his team win two super bowls and was the MVP twice. You’ll miss them when you go back to the days of the Dave Brown’s and A.J. Feeley’s of the world.
Hillary is a typical establishment type that keeps everything in order for the establishment. Good luck with that and voting for typical government growth and nonsense. That’s what Americans do best. Vote for elitist assholes over and over. Ugh!
The Clinton’s were considered outsiders by the establishment. The First bush didn’t believe hicks from the south could beat him a establishment man. Bush was prior cia high ranking long career and VP before getting elected. Clinton’s considered establishment and elistist?
Really? That was then this is now.
Tim Knight says:
April 2, 2016 at 5:41 pm
This is a woman who didn’t care that her husband stuffed a cigar in an intern’s pussy and they both lie through their teeth for their own egomaniacal gains. Yeah that’s the ticket. Oy!
lmao. but the troll got what he wanted you to respond to him.
I’m not concerned about stuff like that. I respond to statements made on a blog. Do you think that effects me somehow? For the record it does not. LOL
Tim, it’s not really that Americans keep voting for the elitist assholes. It’s because the elitist assholes have a very entrenched establishment behind them that rigs & steals elections in a way that most never even know. The main stream media is complicit in this as well, they are given a narrative by the establishment corps that own & run them.
This propaganda misinforms & pushes voters to making the wrong choices.
Besides, those choices have most always been handpicked by the elitists, so they’ve hedged their bets so to speak.
They don’t care if it’s a Dem or a Rep that is elected, cause both stooges were their guys all a long.
They win, the people Lose!
Now comes a time that is very rare in Trump, who has these insider elites & establishment cabal from around the whole world all up in arms to think he could be the next pers. They fear he won’t be manipulated and that the gig is up. He’s onto them, so they are scared the raping & pillaging of the American class citizen could be over for them.
I liked it in the beginning but I do not want a president who divides and creates more division. Our political process is at a definite crossroads.
well i guess it’s time to leave now since the idiots are coming out.
Fuck off!
the post wasn’t referring to you or GD.
tim,
of course i know it doesnt effect you. how many times have i said on these blogs that if anyone is effected by what some one says they have some serious mental problems. i just like pointing out his troll comments.
Jestssuck, don’t be offended. But do the real research on both the Cliton’s with trails of dead bodies in their wake, and the crooked Bush family. Both are like a syndicated crime family. There’s credible books on it with plenty of documented sources pointing to this.
Yet again, the controlled mainstream media is told not to report on these things, so it gets swept under the rug.
Both families have been running a scam on the American people for a long time.
Oh, and Cruz is a prodigy propped up by the Bush family.
When I first started seeing Ted Cruz a few years ago, I was all for him. But I’ve uncovered his true spots.
So hell no to him, to Rubio, and no to Kasich as well. On the other side of the coin, fuggetaboutit.
i would say kasich is the 2nd most qualified since he was governor and he has done plenty of federal work.
Okay jetsssuck, who are the idiots? You said it. Come clean.
you know when I get called a liar, Someone who twists facts and a Troll I don’t take to kindly to that.
Roger Stone was a longtime insider that claims to have had a change of heart & now has spent since 2003 trying to expose the establishment ruling class. The guy is very knowledgeable and has worked on campaigns & staffs since Goldwater thru H Bush sr.
Google Roger Stone, I think his website is called stonezone.com he also appears in a lot of different online media outlets in interviews.
thanks. I ve been reading up on the Holocaust lately since they have started releasing all the sealed records most recently.Lots of interesting stuff. Next year the US Government is going to release all the sealed records of the JFK case unless the next president acts to block it.
Then you definitely need to check out Roger Stone. He was also famous for a very in depth book on the JFK assassination.