Gameday – Week 9, Raiders @ Dolphins

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As we can all gather, those stats up there don’t mean an awful lot, because today Dolphins fans, we will see a glimpse of what out NEW offense will be, without Jay Ajayi.  Who will get the heavy workload, Drake or Williams?  Will it be a RB by committee approach instead, with Drake, Williams, Perry and Smith?  It’s not really important how they go about it, as long as it works, and our running game is effective.  Like I said in my game preview, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us use our backs much like the Falcons do, with Drake as Devonta Freeman, and Williams as Tevin Coleman.

Cutler is back with his cracked ribs, and we have to do a damn good job of protecting him, or the rest of the season will be Matt Moore and David Fales.  Ted Larsen will be active for this game, but LG Jesse Davis will get the start.

Enjoy the game, and all the other NFL games today as we’re the Headliner tonight.  I hope you remembered to set your clock back, or else you may be a little early for the start of today’s games.

GO DOLPHINS!

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970 Responses to Gameday – Week 9, Raiders @ Dolphins

  1. mf13ss says:

    Here we go again… if she hadn’t personally blocked me on Twitter, I’d be giving her more than an earful about her latest BS today. Don’t make shit up, don’t make things racial, don’t diss my Brother Derek Carr for being Christian, and please just forever go away & STFU. 😡

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/miko-grimes-raiders-offensive-line-derek-carr-protests/1v2vx120rrzrk1aqz55oqyl9m9

  2. son of a son of a shula says:

    We only had 6 inactive players against the Raiders

  3. D says:

    I was just looking at some things with our team and players we have coming up as FA’s and what i saw wasnt pretty. We are going to have a really hard time making cap next year and being able to re-sign any FA’s especially if we do bring Landry back.

    Im sure they will find a way to make some room, but if Landry comes in at about 10-12mil, just the money needed for the rookies is going to put us at cap with maybe 2mil to spare. Cutting Thomas would give us about 7mil more to work with, but thats not going to re-sign much. Its definately going to be slim pickins and a lot of guys will be finding other teams. Maybe some of the bigger money guys like Wake, Suh, Tanny, etc. will re-structure to help free up some money. Another thing for sure is we will have no way to get in a bidding war over Landry. We are going to have to hope he likes playing for us, because he’s going to have to want to stay here over the money he likely gets offered elsewhere.

  4. wyoming85 says:

    Sad!

    Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 3h3 hours ago
    More
    Pasco County Fla. sheriff confirmed that Roy Halladay, a two-time Cy Young winner and a father, died in a plane crash.

  5. mf13ss says:

    Derek Carr‏Verified account @derekcarrqb 3h

    This was Derek Carr’s response to Miko Grimes’ false allegations today.

  6. wyoming85 says:

    Armando Salguero‏Verified account @ArmandoSalguero 2h2 hours ago
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    The Miami Dolphins do not need to make a roster move for the addition of OT Zach Sterup. Had open roster spot.

  7. D says:

    Sterup is a BIG dude. almost 6’10

  8. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    November 7, 2017 at 6:59 pm
    Ignore her. If she consumes your time you need to take a good look at your time.
    ———
    LOL, I DO ignore her, but she just made NATIONAL headlines with her latest outburst. That’s rather difficult to ignore unless I bury my head in the sand.

  9. Tim Knight says:

    The reason I asked about dead cap is we have a total of $15.5M of dead cap in 2017 for Maxwell, Albert, Mario Williams and Abdul-Quddus. Then Misi and Nate Allen who likely won’t be back in 2018 are on the books for $6.9M. Cutler will be $10M.

    That would be $32.4M in cap space in 2018 not counting nickels and dimes for other lower level players that will raise it a bit. This also doesn’t count UFAs and other releases in 2018. That’s how fast cap space can be created. We could be right back at around $40M in 2018 without making any shocking releases.

    • D says:

      Tim, we have 17mil in cap space, taking out the players who are FA’s next year, nto counting any of the dead money you just pointed out, and not counting any of the guys outside the top 51. We have a horrible cap situation coming up.

      • D says:

        You are right Tim, SMith is on IR i didnt remember him being put on IR, Hickey is the PS OT we have, so i guess not a good look for him lol.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Not sure about the rest but we get a hit next year for Maxwell. Depends how long the contracts are for.

  10. mf13ss says:

    D says:
    November 7, 2017 at 7:10 pm
    Tim, we have 17mil in cap space, taking out the players who are FA’s next year, nto counting any of the dead money you just pointed out, and not counting any of the guys outside the top 51. We have a horrible cap situation coming up.
    ———-
    I made this point 2 weeks ago… I was told all we had to do was release Maxwell and maybe Pouncey… we’ll be just fine. 😆

    Yes, D… we certainly do have a HORRIBLE cap sit coming up, man. I couldn’t agree more.

    • D says:

      Thomas cut, saves us 7mil. Outside of that, unless ya wanna start hacking top players, we cant make much more room.

      Wake is again a guy who could be cut for a chunk of change, but i woudnt want to see that happen. Maybe they talk him into re-structuring again. James could be cut for almost 9.5, but then what are we going to do at RT, and he has been the best OL we have had this year. We almost have to get Tanny to restructure or he is a candidate for cuts at 15mil in cap savings, and then thats hitting the reset button. Pouncey is 7mil in savings but you arent getting a starting caliber OC from draft or for 7mil. I know he’s the guy everyone loves to hate on our OL, but to think he is going to be easy to replace is just silliness. I mean thats it guys, thats the only guys who could come off the books and give us any cap relief.

      More than likely, those guys stay and we just dont re-sign many people. Id like to keep Hayes, but i dont know if we will have room. Cutting Thomas would let us keep him but that’s all.

      • D says:

        BTW if all the other FA’s walk, we would need to replace 2 ST aces who are players with position versatility in Thomas and Aikens, we have to replace. A starting TE, a really solid rotational DE in Fede, Our backup and third down RB in Williams, a starting LB in Mauluga, our only current PK in Parkey, our long snapper in Denney, our starting RG along with two backup OL, and out secondary will be severely depleted as far as depth players.

        We will get McMillian back, hopefully, that would replace Mauluga. We would get Lippett back, which replaces Verner. So we have some holes plugged, but its going to be interesting to see how they work this. Its not going to be easy to keep continuity.

  11. Tim Knight says:

    D, I’m not getting your thinking about our cap in 2018 based on what I pointed out. We could get to $40M easily.

  12. mf13ss says:

    D,

    Try your hand at this, buddy. See if you can get us under the cap without making any HUGE cuts. Please keep in mind: we only have 38 current players under contract for 2018… you’ll have to sign an additional 15 players to fill out a 53-man roster.
    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/miami-dolphins/2018/

    • Tim Knight says:

      Expired contracts with players making big money and dead money coming off gives us $32.4M to start.

      • D says:

        Tim, check out this link. Over the cap takes out the FA’s, they also take out dead cap hits, etc. They give you the number you have based upon the top 51, and what the estimated team cap would be. Show me how they are wrong and ill buy into your 40mil caps space, but it looks like to me your taking off things that have already been taken off of those numbers.

        https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins

        go to the 2018 tab and look at it.

  13. olddolphan says:

    SHOCKED by the tragic plane crash that took Roy Halladay’s life! –Mrs. OD and me also live in Pasco County where Big Roy was a local legend. NOT ONE bad word was ever heard about him.
    ————————
    Mrs. OD had a cortisone shot in her lower lumbar area this afternoon. We’re hoping she can avoid a third lumbar surgery.
    ————————
    My best to all of you. The Old Dolfan has to pack tonight for an upcoming business flight to Baltimore. Highest predicted high will be 55. Two of the three nights will feature lows near or below freezing. If return flight is on time, I’ll get to see the second half of the Notre Dame-Miami Hurricanes game.

    Prediction??? – – – PAIN!!!

  14. wyoming85 says:

  15. Mike E. says:

    Cut Pouncey, that opens up about $7M

  16. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    November 7, 2017 at 7:33 pm
    Expired contracts with players making big money and dead money coming off gives us $32.4M to start.
    ———
    Incorrect, man. We start at $7.7M+ AFTER those expired contracts and dead money are off the books.

  17. D says:

    Tim, only way we get to 40mil in cap space is cut Thomas, Tanny and Pouncey…. that will take us from 17 to 45. If you cut Pouncey or Tanny ya might as well cut both and start over with a new QB and OC pair.

  18. Mike E. says:

    It’s time to draft a C and a TE

    • Mike E. says:

      Restructure Suh, as per usghe. He’s fine with it.

    • D says:

      I would draft a OC and a TE for sure, the TE could come in and replace Thomas right off as long as we took a guy somewhere day 2. We wont get a replacement for Pouncey that easy. He needs to stay at least another year even if we draft a guy good enough to be a year 2 replacement.

  19. D says:

    we start with 17.7, and if we wanted to get most the players we need to get back to keep some continuity we could probably do it just cutting Thomas and letting Landry walk in FA. We would not be making any splashes for sure, and we would have to address holes through the draft, but it would keep us from having to cut or re-structure any players like Wake and Tanny. The other option would to be to re-structure both, shift the money around, maybe even talk Suh into it as well. If we did those, we could wiggle some room to make a decent play for Landry or to sign some vet guys to help us in some of our weaker spots while we draft their future replacements.

  20. Tim Knight says:

    Nobody either read or is addressing my post about the numbers and why they are incorrect.

    Tim Knight says:
    November 7, 2017 at 5:59 pm
    Does dead cap space go back to your salary cap once it’s cleared off the books?

    Reply
    son of a son of a shula says:
November 7, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    Yes, once the seasson(s) goes by you carry it in it’s gone.




    Tim Knight says:
    November 7, 2017 at 7:06 pm
    The reason I asked about dead cap is we have a total of $15.5M of dead cap in 2017 for Maxwell, Albert, Mario Williams and Abdul-Quddus. Then Misi and Nate Allen who likely won’t be back in 2018 are on the books for $6.9M. Cutler will be $10M.

    That would be $32.4M in cap space in 2018 not counting nickels and dimes for other lower level players that will raise it a bit. This also doesn’t count UFAs and other releases in 2018. That’s how fast cap space can be created. We could be right back at around $40M in 2018 without making any shocking releases.

    • D says:

      You arent listenting to us. The dead cap discussion has not play here, i mean i guess it would IF like the salaries are static each year and then the dead cap falling off means next year will be that much more. The salaries for some of the players are hitting peak year, so there is more coming off or them than there is in 2017, so yeah you are right not dead cap hit for those players BUT our salaries are going up to almost match that so there isnt 32mil in cap space cleared up, there is about 15 in cap space cleared up…hence 17mil in space.

      • Tim Knight says:

        You gave no number details other than saying $17.7M. I’m just trying to know the answer, I have not seen the math completed. This started out as a question from me, not a declaration.

  21. D says:

    M13, it looks like overthecap is estimating a 178mil cap for 2018, and spotrac is using 168mil, not sure why they are so low, it was 168mil this year, and they go up about 10+ mil each year.

  22. mf13ss says:

    D,

    Don’t forget roughly $5.5M to sign our Draft class and roughly $2.5M for PS players.

  23. D says:

    Tim, Jones cap hit for 2017 is 3.74 mil, next year his cap hit is 11.575…. almost 8 mil increase. Branch is going from 5mil to 10mil. Stills is going from 3.75 to 9.75, Kiko 2.8 to 9.6. See what i mean. Thats why your numbers are wrong, the salaries/cap hits aren’t staying the same bro.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Thanks for an answer. LOL

      That said, some guys won’t be back at those numbers. You can’t be “okay” and make “real good” money. Teams can’t carry that.

    • D says:

      Mike E. says:
      November 7, 2017 at 8:32 pm

      D

      I think there are some rookies that can come in and play C. It happens all across the league, you just need a kid with experience
      —————————————-
      Yeah and the guy you get to play OC that comes in right off would need to be a 1st rounder. OC is a difficult position to play, you would need a top guy out of a top program to insert right off.

      The best OC in football right now is probably the dude at Ohio State, Price i think is his name. I like is the dude from LSU becuse i think he is an NFL ready run blocker. However, like i said above, i dont think he is a 1st rounder, and i dont think he can come in right off with out significant dropoff from Pouncey. Im not saying some of these guys CANT start, as much as im saying its going to be a significant drop off from a former 1st round pick, who is among the best, if not the best OC in football when healthy. I know the latter caveat is where you are basing your opinion we can replace him in draft, but even injured he is better than any of these guys coming into the draft right now.

  24. Mike E. says:

    Tim

    I didn’t answer you on the cap because I didn’t know the right answer

  25. mf13ss says:

    Must I dangle a carrot for y’all to try this out? LOL
    See if you can do it… fill out a 53-man roster for us while keeping us under the cap. When you’re finished, hit the “publish roster” button. It will give you a link to post here.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/miami-dolphins/2018/

    • Mike E. says:

      If I remember, I’ll try tomorrow, I get out of work in about 25 minutes, and then it’s C-H-I-L-L

      • mf13ss says:

        I look forward to it, Mike E! It’s NOT as easy as one would think. We’re in definite cap trouble next year, buddy.

      • Mike E. says:

        Obviously, the draft and undrafted free agents play into this, but that would be impossible to account for in this exercise.

      • mf13ss says:

        Just give it a shot, that’s all I ask in sincerity. There’s no right or wrong answers here, I just want y’all to realize that we’re in trouble next year… paying two players “QB money” is finally going to catch up to us.

  26. no savings for Misi. he’s a FA in ’18

  27. Mike E. says:

    D

    I think there are some rookies that can come in and play C. It happens all across the league, you just need a kid with experience

  28. mf13ss says:

    Mike E,

    And I want YOU to know… I 100% agree with you that we gave up too much for Carroo two Drafts ago. There’s a LOT we could have done instead, such as addressing our O-Line.

  29. mf13ss says:

    First person to publish a successful 53-man roster for 2018 while keeping us under the cap will receive an autographed copy of Mike E’s new book: “Take Care of the HAND That Takes Care of YOU: the Isotoner Memoirs”. Co-written by Dan Marino.

    Use this site and then hit “publish roster”. After which, post your ‘published roster link’ here to the F-MU: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/miami-dolphins/2018/

    • mf13ss says:

      I still need to sign 10 more players and I’m already $8.5M OVER the cap. And no, I did NOT make any FA splashes.

      • mf13ss says:

        And I have YET to re-sign Jarvis Landry.

      • mf13ss says:

        I just added Jarvis for a meager $12M and I’m suddenly $20.5M OVER the cap.

      • mf13ss says:

        9 more players to add, and I only have 5 total O-Linemen under contract.

      • mf13ss says:

        I just restructured Tannehill’s contract due to injury… I’m STILL $8M OVER.

      • mf13ss says:

        I just cut Julius Thomas, now down to only 2 TEs after re-signing Fasano on the cheap, and I’m STILL $1.5M OVER. I’m now back to signing 10 more players, not to mention keeping $5.5M for our rookie draft class.

      • mf13ss says:

        I just restructured Pouncey due to health issues. I’m finally $3.9M under, but I still need to sign 10 more players and keep $5.5M to sign our rookie class.

      • CavalierKong says:

        If we resign Landry, you can bet the 1st year will be a low cap hit so you can possibly gain 2-6 mil there. We have to restructure Suh if you haven’t done that already, that gets you 12 million more.

  30. Tim Knight says:

    M13, is this you right now? LOL

  31. mf13ss says:

    CavalierKong says:
    November 7, 2017 at 9:09 pm
    If we re-sign Landry, you can bet the 1st year will be a low cap hit so you can possibly gain 2-6 mil there. We have to restructure Suh if you haven’t done that already, that gets you 12 million more.
    ————
    I suppose that’s on the table, but as I’ve cautioned before, it’s not going to make Suh or his agent happy… being restructured for a SECOND time on the same contract. I’m not sure it’s a good idea, Brother.

  32. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    November 7, 2017 at 9:35 pm
    You serious. Clark? 😉
    ————
    ABSOLUTELY! I can’t believe I’ve never seen that before! So the name of the movie is “Modern Problems”? Is that right?

  33. ElephantRider says:

    I don’t worry about salaries and the cap. I would assume they have a plan. I’ll let them figure it out while I bitch about everything else.

  34. ElephantRider says:

    M

    If I have the time I’ll try and do your task. No promises tho.

  35. wyoming85 says:

  36. wyoming85 says:

  37. wyoming85 says:

  38. We can save a lot of money with some cuts, some of which people won’t like but are necessary to get out of bad contracts and also make a trade that won’t be popular. But if this team is to move forward I think it’s necessary for them to start thinking out of the box and do the things other teams do.

    Beginning with around $17.7M in cap they can add $6.6M by cutting Julius Thomas. $24.3M.
    Next, they would save $15.2M by trading Ryan Tannehill. $39.5M
    Finally, the would save $17M by cutting Suh and getting out of that terrible contract. $56.5M

    With that kind of money they could do a lot to fix the offense and still have plenty left over for injury and to be carried over into the next season. Again, not popular, but that would be where I would start. Of course, we could save another $7M by cutting Pouncey. With his health in question, this could actually be the most likely cut after Thomas.

  39. Rockphin says:

    I find it amazing how discombobulated the AFC is this year. With a four and four record and a 3 and 3 record in the AFC the Dolphins are still only one spot out of the playoff hunt. right behind the Buffalo Bills and ahead of three teams that have beaten us this year. as you guys know for my posts yesterday I have no confidence that this will remain the case as we heading to the second half of the Season slide.

    even if by some chance they continue to squeak out enough winds just somehow get a wild card I do not believe they are good enough to go anywhere

  40. Rockphin says:

    Is this thing broken? Where is everyone today? I cannot believe that I am the only person who has posted this morning except for Professor Lou posted at some ungodly hour this morning

    • stangerx says:

      Don’t know about the rest of them, but I couldn’t get out of bed today cause of the deep dark depression from yesterday after learning the Koolaid/Homeriad/Stand the F Superhero had gone Debbie Downer. 🙂

  41. D says:

    D says:
    November 8, 2017 at 11:08 am

    Mike E. says:
    November 7, 2017 at 8:32 pm

    D

    I think there are some rookies that can come in and play C. It happens all across the league, you just need a kid with experience
    —————————————-
    Yeah and the guy you get to play OC that comes in right off would need to be a 1st rounder. OC is a difficult position to play, you would need a top guy out of a top program to insert right off.

    The best OC in football right now is probably the dude at Ohio State, Price i think is his name. I like is the dude from LSU becuse i think he is an NFL ready run blocker. However, like i said above, i dont think he is a 1st rounder, and i dont think he can come in right off with out significant dropoff from Pouncey. Im not saying some of these guys CANT start, as much as im saying its going to be a significant drop off from a former 1st round pick, who is among the best, if not the best OC in football when healthy. I know the latter caveat is where you are basing your opinion we can replace him in draft, but even injured he is better than any of these guys coming into the draft right now.

    • Mike E. says:

      Thanks D – I hear what you’re saying. I just think Pouncey is really falling off, he’s not the same guy, or even close when he was playing at a pro bowl level. Not only that, with his hips, I think he’s a big risk going forward, where he may at some decide he can’t play. I’d risk drafting a center early, and hopefully solidify that spot for another 5-10 years.

      • D says:

        He really hasn’t had a bunch of bad games, he is consistently grading out as one of our better OL, last game, wasn’t great, the one before was a stinker, but still if you were to check his overall grade for the year, he is still going to be among the top OC’s in the game.

  42. D says:

    Also, Lou i think M13 is right, i think Spotrac is 10 off because they are estimating almost 10mil for the signing of the futures contracts they do right after the season ends and also the sign the rookie class which they estimate at 5-5.5mil. I couldnt figure out how they could be so off, but it was either that or they arent factoring in an estimation on the cap going up which it usually goes up around 10mil each year.

  43. D says:

    They dont save 17mil on Suh, they would save 3.9mil an lose the best DT in football.

  44. Tim Knight says:

    When players’ contracts come off the books doesn’t that free up space to use that money on other players?

  45. ocalarob says:

    stangerx says:
    November 8, 2017 at 10:07 am
    Don’t know about the rest of them, but I couldn’t get out of bed today cause of the deep dark depression from yesterday after learning the Koolaid/Homeriad/Stand the F Superhero had gone Debbie Downer.
    ___________________________
    That’s what common sense does to you after looking at our pathetic running game vs the Raiders.

  46. mf13ss says:

    Here’s what I came up with, without restructuring Suh. I’m 7 players under the 53, which will be filled by our rookie draft class. You’ll note that I did restructure Tannehill and Pouncey, coming in at a tight $856K under the cap.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/miami-dolphins/2018/d797f85b4b340c0f6ccbc18a08f21f2f/

  47. D says:

    I either see a bunch of cuts or very few. There might be re-structures, and i think Thomas is a dead man walking without really turning up the production the rest of the way out. If we do however decide to cut Tanny, especially if there is no plan to re-sign Cutler at a more reasonable rate, then we are basically deciding to reboot and that really hinges on how poorly we fiish this season. If we wind up in the top 10 draft position, i think its a possibility. If not i doubt it. IF we did cut or trade Tanny, we likely also cut or trade Pouncey, and likely any of our other guys that are going to save us a lot of money and are at least feasibly replaceable. Wake wouldn’t be off the list but i think he would be one of the last decisions they made.

    Almost all the others who are hitting some spikes in their salaries aren’t completely off the hook either. Yeah we would have a good chunk of dead money on some of these guys but a lot of them are 50/50’s because you only would have slightly more in dead money vs cap savings to cut them. Branch for example, yes 4 mil in dead money, but 6mil in savings. Still is 5.25 in dead money but 4.5 in savings, etc etc. So really if we got down to having to make room, we could make sure at the cost of a roster spot, and we would just have to be able to fill that spot with a player that is potentially going to give us something close to that production as less than the amount we are saving by cutting them.

  48. Tim Knight says:

    Omar Kelly‏Verified account @OmarKelly 27m27 minutes ago
    If the #Dolphins have to play without Ja’Wuan James for the next 3 weeks my approach would be: Tunsil, Larsen, Pouncey, Bushrod, James.

    LOL

  49. D says:

    im Knight says:
    November 8, 2017 at 11:30 am

    When players’ contracts come off the books doesn’t that free up space to use that money on other players?
    Reply

    Mike E. says:
    November 8, 2017 at 11:32 am

    Sure, it has to
    Reply
    Tim Knight says:
    November 8, 2017 at 11:41 am

    I keep being told no. So my whole view on how this works has been altered. LOL
    —————————————————-
    Tim thats not what you are being told no on. You are being told no that your way of calculating how much we will have by saying we are getting back that much becuse the dead money falls off is incorrect.

    If we had a cap base of 175mil and we had 1mil left in cap, and that includes the dead money, then if all the salaries stayed the same, yes we would be clearing the amount of dead money that was going away. The problem is thats not whats happeneing. We have players you this year are at a significant amount less of a cap hit than they are in 2018, so that pool you think you are gaining back is being eaten up by the increase in the cap hit.

    We had 19mil in dead money this year, so 19mil of our cap was for that. So applying your math, that means we should have 20mil in cap space, rolling over the 1mil we saved from this year, plus the money we arent paying out in dead money. Then you take off the salaries of the free agents, etc etc and you came up with a number of 40 mil. Im fine with that calculation, but now you have to take away from that total the amount of increased cap hit for the 2018 salaries, since contracts are not evenly split. Im not going to list all the ones that are going up but this is an expensive year for us, a lot of players got deferred on the first year, ie only a small part of their salaries got paid out year 1. Year 2 is a balloon year, for some if not a bunch and they are due a big chunk of their salaries and thefore their cap hits are bigger. Subtract all the increases in the cap hits and you will find yourself back down to 17.7 mil. Overthecap already does the calculations for oyu and they even throw in the projected cap increase, etc.

    I dont know if this is a good enough explanation as to why you are both right and wrong, and why the explanations you were getting were answering your questions all along, even though you didnt think they were.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Misi coming off the books doesn’t free up his salary for someone else?

      • D says:

        Sure it does, the 1.793 mil we will save, will go to partially covering the almost 8mil increase in Reshad Jones’ cap hit. So that would still leave us -6.2ish. So just to be back to 0 you have to give me a few others that would do that.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I understand the increase from other players’ contracts going up. Lou said Misi has no number, he’s a UFA.

  50. Ken says:

    Just had surgery to repair my finger. Had three pins inserted. It was fractured in three places. At home recovering.

  51. Tim Knight says:

    M13, yes Modern Problems was the movie. It’s a silly but funny Chevy Chase movie.

    • D says:

      Yeah i liked it. Chevy Chase wasnt as dynamic in is range of comedy as a lot of others, but the character he generally played, he did it well.

  52. D says:

    Tim Knight says:
    November 8, 2017 at 12:23 pm

    I understand the increase from other players’ contracts going up. Lou said Misi has no number, he’s a UFA.
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    thats apples and oranges, he saves us money because he isnt costing us money anymore. So yes, he saves us what we spent in 2017, but we dont “save anything” by cutting, etc in 2018, because he already isnt on the books in 2018. You guys arguing different sides of the same coin and thats what im trying to point out.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I’m just trying to figure out how guys no longer on the team with no dead money doesn’t free up money to use on someone else. I understand other players’ contracts going up cuts into it. But if you subtract some players contracts it has to free up some money.

  53. D says:

    I guess a better way to point out the flaws and the not being able to see each others viewpoints is you are trying to base your estimations of what we will have in cap space off 2017 salaries and taking off the ones that wont be there in 2018, either the dead money items or the FA players, and you are ignoring the fact that 2018 salaries wont be the same as they were in 2017.

    Lou is taking a complete 2018 look, which already have all that stuff removes and the salaries already adjusted for 2018 and then adding/subtracting from there, so Misi is irrelevant to him because he is already off the books, Cutler is irrelevant because he is already off the books. Etc.

    You are both right, with one exception, you have calculated in the changes in salary and when you did, you and Lou would have the same number.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Okay, I see what you’re saying. I read it like Misi or anyone else off the books doesn’t free up any space, not that it was already calculated.

  54. Mike E. says:

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