Gameday – Dolphins @ Panthers – MNF


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616 Responses to Gameday – Dolphins @ Panthers – MNF

  1. mf13ss says:

    Ken says:
    November 13, 2017 at 10:35 pm
    We know that but that wasn’t the debate. The debate was should we throw with 41 seconds left and that I don’t find fault on Gase
    What? You can’t have it both ways, Ken! Gase thought it was a good idea to pass with Cutler with 41 seconds left.

    • Ken says:

      Different issue. You go for that with 41 seconds left with any pro QB. FWIW I didn’t want I wanted Kaepernick. But when your starting QB there are very few good choices.

  2. naplesfan2010 says:

    Why do we never have enough players around the ball?

  3. naplesfan2010 says:

    3rd string RB walks in without any resistance?

  4. Randy says:

    Well, Larsen is what I thought he was. Lol

  5. naplesfan2010 says:

    We are being out hit out hustled and out coached, game after game.

  6. Tim Knight says:

    This is brutal. We’re entering this sucks territory. Oh shit we’re already there. The offense has sucked the life out of the defense all year. We’re back to last year. Ugh!!!!

    Adam, you better figure this out soon.

  7. The Flying Pig says:

    Thank God

    Nice run Drake

  8. son of a son of a shula says:

    Damn he’s fast

  9. mf13ss says:


  10. Rhino says:

    only down by 17!!! wait… 17 is a lot with this offense. 😦

  11. Ken says:

    Fantasy points for me

  12. The Flying Pig says:

    At least big plays like that give us something to be excited about

  13. mf13ss says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    November 13, 2017 at 10:42 pm
    well steen and urbik are hurt and asiata can’t learn the playbook so who is supposed to play LG?
    The idea was to address LG during the DRAFT!!! We waited until the 5TH ROUND to take Asiata!

  14. naplesfan2010 says:

    See in a lot of ways we have excellent athletic ability. We are just so dysfunctional so often.

  15. mf13ss says:


    DON’T get Old Dolfan and me started on our O-LINE!!! 😉

  16. Ken says:

    Of course I didn’t play Cam in fantasy tonight. I just couldn’t do it I am a fan first

  17. wyoming85 says:

    Grey buried his guy!

  18. Ken says:

    Our run defense will not be as good after this game

  19. naplesfan2010 says:

    and there you see exactly what i mean. A simple zone read and they let the QB go that easy

  20. naplesfan2010 says:

    That did not look like PI in the EZ.

  21. Rhino says:

    here’s our next OL draft pick!!!!:

  22. mf13ss says:

    Matt Burke is over-rated.

  23. naplesfan2010 says:

    That’s not a TD.

  24. wyoming85 says:

    Maybe we can get this guy in the second?

  25. naplesfan2010 says:

    shitty little ticky tack foul call

  26. The Flying Pig says:

    What with the illegal formation call

    What the fuck do these guys do in practice

    You can fix that?!?!?

  27. The Flying Pig says:

    Now they gave them the 1st

  28. Ken says:

    Well the sucking continues

  29. naplesfan2010 says:

    we look like our best players are just mediocre.

  30. Ken says:

    I am done. We keep up like this with our schedule we will likely not win another game

  31. mf13ss says:

    We’ve got problems… and the problems aren’t the players.

  32. The Flying Pig says:

    499 yard and 45 points tonight against our D

  33. Rhino says:

    we are what the scores say we are

  34. Rhino says:

    our last 6 games are brutal… 5-11 is as much possible as 10-6

  35. wyoming85 says:

    It’s to bad I’m at work!

  36. Randy says:

    My draft evaluations start early. Sadly, we’re drafting high enough i’ll have to look at a bunch of suck ass QBs too.

  37. rgs322 says:

    Just catching up on the game. This is what happens when you can’t run the ball, stop the run, and lose the turnover battle.

  38. rgs322 says:

    I think the league needs to do us a favor and stop scheduling night games.

  39. Randy says:

    10-6 is about as likely as Jennifer Lopez, Sophia Vergara and Blake Lively getting in a fist fight over who gets to blow me first. Now, 5-11 is a whole different story.

  40. Rhino says:

    Is the journey worth the destination? This Fins journey is now on its 33rd year … I used to think my decades as a warriors fan ‘journey’ made the ‘destination’ so sweet. But in reality, most of that ‘journey’ had nothing to do with what made the ‘destination’. The Fins make incremental changes. Maybe Old Dolfan is right about ownership… culture changes start at the top.

  41. Rhino says:

    This game makes me want to grab a marino figurine and march in circles with 5 other people. 😦

  42. naplesfan2010 says:

    we are outcoached on yet another drive

  43. Randy says:

    So, who will Gase cur/trade this week to salve his own hurt pride and cover up his coaching deficiencies?

  44. mf13ss says:

    In the words of Foghorn Leghorn…

    Boy, I say boy, this team just laid down on the coaches. And I say, the coaches don’t feel like couches.

  45. naplesfan2010 says:

    30 first downs … 500 plus yards given up

  46. Tim Knight says:

    Gase has to realize he’s a HC and not just an OC. This shit needs to stop.

    I don’t care who’s back in 2018, it’s not working the way we’re doing it. We don’t even compete.

  47. Randy says:

    Taylor Moton would have been a nice pick too. Either he or Elflein.

  48. wyoming85 says:

    Adam Beasley‏Verified account
    7m7 minutes ago

    Is this rock bottom? It feels like rock bottom.

    Matty I‏
    5m5 minutes ago

    No. That’ll be next week when Dolphins lose at home to Fitzpatrick led TB with Brent Grimes picking off Cutler twice.

    • mf13ss says:

      Screw “Matty I”. He’s been wearing a dunce cap for years.

      What’s more… he thinks it’s a joke? Grimes is kicking azz this year.

  49. mf13ss says:

    Seems Cam Newton did his best CASE KEENUM impression tonight.

  50. Randy says:

    No highly paid FA is worth the kind of money they get. Suh plays every game. He gets doubled on almost every single play and sometimes tripled. He is the best or one of the best couple DT. It’s the other guys…Wake specifically…who don’t take advantage of the attention Suh gets. Wake gets singled a lot, but he still disappears way too much. He should be making more impact plays. The other DTs also aren’t doing enough against single blocking. Suh can’t do everything.

    • mf13ss says:

      You’re missing Wake getting doubled, too. I agree in principle, but Godchaux isn’t getting it done beside Suh.

      DIDN’T I SAY that we should have signed either of Big Paul or McDaniel for a mere $1M???

  51. Tim Knight says:

    Cam Newton is a pisser. When he wins he loves himself, when he loses he wants to crawl into a corner. He’s a phony fuck. I wish him nothing but the…

  52. Randy says:

    Steve Young keeps talking about McCaffrey being Superman by cutting back and scoring a TD when it was actually a terrible play by Kiko. He had another defender there to play McCaffrey’s outside shoulder, and Kiko completely over pursues the play and misses an easy tackle if he’d just played it right. Kiko has sucked lately.

  53. CavalierKong says:

    Things never change. The quality of play is down across the league, and we are at the bottom of that. I really am just not enjoying the NFL anymore. I’m seriously thinking of taking up golfing as my Sunday activity.

  54. Randy says:

    Wake doesn’t get doubled nearly as much as Suh. A chip by a RB or TE isn’t a doubleteam block. Wake is often singled up on a RT, and he still doesn’t win very often. 6 sacks in 9 games, and 2 1/2 came against the Jets when, I think, a backup was playing RT. He should be doing more.

  55. Tim Knight says:

    I’ve gone back and forth on this. Would you pay Landry big bucks, why?

  56. Randy says:

    No, Kiko over pursued the play when he should have played the player’s inside shoulder because another defender already had the outside. He should have played it to protect against the cut back…and I don’t care what Dbolt would say. I know what I’m looking at.
    Ok, time for bed. This sucks. Gase has lost this team. Guys flat out gave up tonight. Unacceptable.

    • mf13ss says:

      Your opinion is noted and RESPECTED, my friend. I’ll have to take another look at that play, man.

      We AGREE that the players gave up on Gase tonight.

      Have a good night, and I’m AUDI as well!

  57. mf13ss says:

    Peace, y’all!

  58. Tim Knight says:

    When does this team realize Drake is a difference-maker? He reminds me of Jamaal Charles or Ahman Green. Adam Gase, enough with the well we’re looking at him talk. Drake should be the #1 and Williams #2. That’s not a bad deal. Wake up! Landry catching 0-10 a million times isn’t the answer. It’s like Bess with Sparano. I know the OL isn’t that good, but the plays aren’t even designed to be better.

  59. ElephantRider says:

    If the players gave up on Gase tonight then get rid of them all!

    That said…..I thought the offense was a bit better especially going against a top rated defense. If Cutler didn’t suck so bad it would of been a shoot out.

  60. manitobafinfan says:

    Should have gone to bed …. FUUUGly

  61. Wow. there’s pretty much NOTHING positive you can take away from that game last night. Nothing.

  62. ElephantRider says:

    The strength of the defense, the line, is non existent…..again. Time to change schemes. There’s too much $$ playing up there for these results.

  63. You don’t pay someone $115,000 to play DT to eat up two blockers. You pay a person that kind of money to make plays or be a playmaker. It’s a waste of money. Look at Carolina’s defense. Is there a Suh on the team? No. But, there’s a group of players making plays, including the LB we should have taken in 2012.

  64. I’d rather see the team start from scratch in some areas. Either cut Pouncey or try and trade him. Trade Tannehill and get what you can. Let go of James. Cut Suh and save the cap space and let Landry walk if you can’t get him signed for something REASONABLE.

    If we go 6-10 or 7-9 after that at least we have a reason and as long as we’re getting in the right talent and building to compete I don’t care if we take a step or two backwards because we ain’t going anywhere anyways.

  65. ukfinfan says:

    We lost that game all over the field last night, but our trench play on both sides was the biggest mismatch. Even if a GM spends a bunch of money on the O line though, it doesn’t guarantee success. Dallas (without their starting LT) was pushed around. Brutal season for us. Multiple shortcomings. Lots more change on the cards. When will all this end? Struggling to see how we avoid a losing season now, but let’s see what Gase is made of. Let’s also see which players if any quit.

  66. dcoralsprings says:

    There are so many holes everywhere on this team, where do you start
    I think we are way over loaded on too many large contracts for a team not ready to compete

    Gase has a long way to go but I’m not ready to give up after 1-1/2 yrs

    Can’t hardly get my head around the idea that once again every player at every position has to be looked at but when you find yourself at the bottom of the pack there’s only one way to start moving forward

  67. Ken says:

    The defense quit on the team when Cutler gets picked at the end of the half. Up until that the D was playing okay. Once that happened it was as if the D said this offense sucks and stopped playing.

  68. The Flying Pig says:

    The real pro leg is it seems we get worse every game

    I think there is potential to be the worst offense and defense in the NFL

    They go backwards each week

    I’m really at a loss. What do you do?

  69. olddolphan says:

    DID ALL OF YOU LAUGH at that drunk golfer swinging and missing and falling into the water??
    NOW pretend that golfer is STEVE ROSS HIRING a GM. Jeff Ireland–a swing and a miss!! –Mike Tannenbaum–a swing and a miss!!
    OR how about Ross hiring a head coach?? Sparano,Philbin,Campbell, and, maybe, GASE—-ALL SWINGS AND MISSES!!!!
    CLEARLY, the biggest problem is ROSS, himself. The culture of swings and misses HAS TO CHANGE!! The idiotic draft choices. The way too expensive free agents. The salary cap fiasco. The failed head coaches and GMs approved and paid for by this owner. The season ticket nightmares that have driven ALL OF MY BOYZ to stop buying tickets. And the over all lack of hope.

    NEVER, not even in their very first year of existence, has the spirit of this franchise been lower. And STEVE ROSS, and his policies ARE TO BLAME!

    THE NUMBER ONE NEED OF THIS DOLPHINS FRANCHISE IS A NEW OWNER!! –A NEW OWNER, and no one else, can break the cycle of stupid policies and stupid decisions. The climate of failure has to change!!!

  70. Mike E. says:

    I’m glad I didn’t watch the game last, I was traveling, but I was listening on the radio in the 3rd QTR, and I got home near the middle of the 4th.

    What’s up with this team on Prime Time games? We may not get another one till 2020 the way we laid down and died in 3 PT games.

    NO vs MIA 0-20 L
    BAL vs MIA 0-40 L
    CAR vs MIA 21-45 L

    Not bad, we only lost 3 games by the total score of 105-21. WTFF!!!

    LMAO OD – Do you have an alarm in your house that goes off when the Dolphins dip below .500 that reminds you to bitch about Ross? You’re too funny. The guy OWNS the team, he paid for it, and until he gets tired of it, or dies, he ain’t going ANYWHERE. Carry on though, if it makes you feel better . . . .

  71. Mike E. says:

    Piggy – Is there a fake pro leg? 🙂

  72. ocalarob says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    November 14, 2017 at 8:06 am
    The real pro leg is it seems we get worse every game

    I think there is potential to be the worst offense and defense in the NFL

    They go backwards each week

    I’m really at a loss. What do you do?
    look at the bright side, the draft will be fun

  73. ocalarob says:

    Gase lucked into last season due to the new found running game, he obviously doesn’t understand how to win in the nfl. this is what happens when you don’t have a running threat.

    we’re doomed

  74. ocalarob says:

    OD, i agree about Ross, he keeps hiring rookie coaches, coaches who have never been a hc in the nfl before, and they have to go against these masterminds like the hoodie, beating miami is childs play. Ross should keep his eye on any winning proven coach that becomes available and jump when the timing is right, meanwhile let the coach we have continue to build our draft status

  75. ocalarob says:

    maybe he can pry jim harbaugh away from michigan?

  76. BailBondMike says:

    Ken, I agree the D was playing good until that Cutler pick before the half. That single play gave the Panthers so much momentum coming out in the second half. After the pick and score that was it for the D. Kiko looked way off last night. The TD where he got juked was one of many missed plays he had.

  77. ocalarob says:

    the toughest part of the schedule is upon us, sorry to say, it wont get any better. buff twice ne twice kc, omg!

  78. mf13ss says:

  79. BailBondMike says:

    What I saw last night was a team that came in with a really good game plan (Panthers) playing a team with seemingly no game plan (Dolphins). IMO, their main goal was to neutralize SUH via double team him and man up on everyone else and they executed perfectly (something we can not do). ESPN touched on everything that makes the Panthers O successful before the game, quick out’s to McCaffrey, WR screens, read option and the QB draw. Doesn’t seem like we game planned for any of it, like we were caught off guard and weren’t prepared for it like it was something new. What F-ing film are they watching??? Tapes from when Matt Moore was their QB???? SMH

  80. ocalarob says:

    Attention MR Ross, The definition of madness;
    keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.

  81. BailBondMike says:

    Looked to me the Panthers used an offset line bringing in an extra tackle a lot last night always lining him up on Suh’s side so they could double him with a guard and tackle and still have a tackle on Wake. Anyone else notice or am I mistaken??

    Anyway, that’s game planning Mr. Gase

  82. ocalarob says:

    we had a game plan, PASS! that’s it, and the Defense did their home work, they did not allow cam to get outside on the read, the DE stayed home for the most part until it got ugly.
    the lack of offense is what made the D look bad, Cam Newton is not a good passing qb, he is in accurate. keep him contained and make him beat you with the pass, a solid game plan. we should have beat them.
    a very predictable easy read offense is why we lost

  83. BailBondMike says:

    Don’t know Piggy, I kept mocking for us to take Elflein in the second.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      He was very popular here

      I mocked him to us a few times
      And I was mostly about having a defensive heavy draft

      I still think going DE and LB in rounds 1 and 2 was a good plan

      The 2 guys we got were not my choices
      But I still like the theory of taking those 2
      We don’t know what McMillan could have brought

    • BailBondMike says:

      Yeah, I kept going D in the 1st and OL in the second

      • The Flying Pig says:

        It makes sense
        I guess we
        Could have went for Foster in the 1st and Elfein in the 2nd or something like that but it’s not easy to make it work

        I do like the players we selected

  84. The Flying Pig says:

    Elfein went 70 which is early 3rd

    We took Tankesrly about 27 spots after him

    We took Mcamillan late 2nd

  85. The Flying Pig says:

    I think this is the year we really go heavy OL

    I don’t know how you work in Tunsil and James
    But I think they are part of our future too

  86. The Flying Pig says:

    Mike E. says:
    November 14, 2017 at 8:42 am (Edit)
    Piggy – Is there a fake pro leg? 🙂

    It’s actually an amateur leg

  87. BailBondMike says:

    Piggy, I like the mock I posted the other day. I am using my Dads “The WOW Computer” for old people who don’t know much about computers and this thing won’t let you cut and paste. So I can’t repost it. You can’t even open other tabs on the internet. It’s a POS and he paid 1K for it.

    • BailBondMike says:

      I was able to get ND’s LG in the 1st (we were picking 17th, but that will change) and I got Auburns OT in the second, QB Riley Ferguson in the 3rd, then BPA (in my eyes, lol) the rest of the way.

  88. BailBondMike says:

    I was able to get ND’s LG in the 1st (we were picking 17th, but that will change) and I got Auburns OT in the second, QB Riley Ferguson in the 3rd, then BPA (in my eyes, lol) the rest of the way.

  89. sb7mvp says:

    I’m glad my happiness isn’t dependent on the success or failure of this team.

  90. Mike E. says:


    Which veteran HC did you want, besides Harbaugh who wouldn’t come here for anything? John Fox? Jack Del Rio? Who? Gase was highly regarded, and probably the top candidate for many teams, unlike Philbin who was more of a swing and a miss longshot.

  91. BoulderPhinfan says:

    Julius Thomas sucks. Add TE to the list of needs.

  92. Tim Knight says:

    I got nothing. 😦

  93. drg says:

    I saw a lot of guys quit last night. Not a good sign and worse when we are paying them a lot of $.

  94. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I think we’ll be in full rebuild mode next year. I bet we see a lot of changes.

    Cutler is not that good. I saw him miss a lot of passes that tanny makes routinely.

  95. Rockphin says:

    Just blow it up again

    In Gase we do not trust

    • stangerx says:

      Only way you and Boulder get your wish on that one is if In Gase Ross does not trust. And I think he does, even if maybe not as much as before.

  96. stangerx says:

    Obviously last night was tough to watch, but who actually thought we were a ring contender? We played one last night. Only other one we’ve really played so far this year — even if we didn’t know it then — was the Saints….and we know how that one ended up.

    • Mike E. says:

      What bothers me Stanger is we’re not even in some games, and at this point, too many of them. If you really look at this season carefully, how many good quarters of football have we played? If we’ve played 36 quarters, maybe 6-10? That’s what bothers me. It’s like we’re either totally unprepared, or just not executing, or both, but it’s too often.

      • Tim Knight says:

        We’ve played a lot more bad football than good football. It really sucks that it gets to the point where there is nothing to root for because the game is over too soon too often. We never start fast and play with leads. We’re always playing catch up until the score gets out of reach and there isn’t enough time left. It really sucks!

  97. ocalarob says:

    Mike E. says:
    November 14, 2017 at 10:37 am

    Which veteran HC did you want, besides Harbaugh who wouldn’t come here for anything? John Fox? Jack Del Rio? Who? Gase was highly regarded, and probably the top candidate for many teams, unlike Philbin who was more of a swing and a miss longshot.

    Gase is a rookie, he got a chance, granted we had issues this year but as of now he’s not getting the job done, this regression would be easier to swallow if he didn’t trade away the most valuable player on the team. that was a huge mistake and set this team back. he loses credibility for that.

    as for his replacement i don’t have the answers, you just have to bide your time and jump when an experienced winning coach becomes available, it does happen.
    the problem with that is does the force that makes these decisions realize that? is he ready to make that move? judging from his prior moves as of now i would think not, so strap in and get use to this sub par team.

    the problem with this team is philosophy, from what i have witnessed Gase does not have a winning philosophy. he’s an easy read.
    how long has it been since we have won a playoff game? i’m thinking 16 years, how many chances have we had to win a playoff game since then? was it 2?
    i think i will be dead and gone before Miami wins another playoff game.

    • Mike E. says:

      I actually meant when we hired Gase. Was there a coach that was available that you would have preferred over Gase?

      • ocalarob says:

        you tell me

        Mike McCoy (Broncos offensive coordinator)
        Greg Schiano (Ohio State defensive coordinator)
        Jim Mora Jr. ( UCLA head coach)
        Jim Schwartz (Eagles defensive coordinator)
        Jon Gruden (ESPN football analyst)
        Mike Munchak (Steelers offensive line coach)

      • ocalarob says:

        I think Gruden would have been the best choice

      • Mike E. says:

        McCoy wasn’t too good in his first stint, Mora Jr. probably wants to stay in the college game. Schwartz wasn’t great in his first stint either. Gruden most likely will never coach again, he has it too easy on ESPN. I think Gase was probably one of the best candidates for the job, but he has to continue to prove that every year. Last year he did, this year, took a step back, but it’s not over yet.

      • ocalarob says:

        It’s over Mike, the best that we could hope for is to lose and improve our draft position.

      • ocalarob says:

        you could get Gruden, make him an offer he can’t refuse

    • ocalarob says:

      it was over when the moron sent our best player to philly.

  98. Tim Knight says:

    No point in discussing specific positions because what position played well last night?

  99. mf13ss says:

    Rigel Spikes‏
    4s5 seconds ago
    Since the merger, the #Dolphins have given up 290+ rushing yards only 3 times. Last night was the 3rd most (via @pfref):

  100. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I don’t think we need to get rid of Gase. I actually like him. But we need better players and better schemes. I think team could have been a playoffs contender with tanny and a better oline.

    • stangerx says:

      But better OL is the rub there….we weren’t walking in with one of those even when the season started. And then came the injuries.

  101. ocalarob says:

    The reason we got our asses kicked last night was because the Panthers have a great ground game. cam newton is inaccurate, he surely didn’t beat us with his arm but he looked like a superstar because as a defense we had to respect their running ability.

    shouldn’t that give Gase a clue?

  102. ocalarob says:

    the worst thing we could have done is hire a pass happy offensive coordinator as our HC

  103. mf13ss says:

    Joe Schad‏Verified account
    7m7 minutes ago
    It’s time to question every Miami Dolphins player, coach and scheme

  104. Mike E. says:

    Look at McAdoo in NY. His team is atrocious, and he’s still around. Gase is losing a little credibility, no doubt, but he can still win it back.

    • ocalarob says:

      he’s still around because it’s a smart move to contiue with him, no one is available now and the best that could happen is the #1 pick in next years draft, you can bet he will be gone on the first monday after the league year

  105. ocalarob says:

    Gruden knows he has to run the ball, as basic as that sounds who we have now doesn’t understand that

    • Mike E. says:

      No kidding, I could see some team throwing a ton of money at Gruden, and if he did accept, he’d probably stay one season and quit. I don’t think he wants to get back to that grind again.

    • Tim Knight says:

      The problem is we can’t run the ball consistently with anyone. Ajayi had more lackluster performances then good ones yet Gase kept giving it to him. We have too many negative runs or for minimal gain. That starts up front.

      • ocalarob says:

        we were 4-2 with him, what are we without him? it was not about his success it was more about the threat. teams had to game plan for him. that left other areas open. now they game plan against the pass.

      • Tim Knight says:

        4-3 but we wouldn’t have won last night with him. He doesn’t play defense.

  106. ocalarob says:

    Does anyone here think it was a smart move to get rid of Ajayi? would you call that move questionable?

  107. twicethethe says:

    Ken says:

    November 14, 2017 at 6:20 am

    The defense quit on the team when Cutler gets picked at the end of the half. Up until that the D was playing okay. Once that happened it was as if the D said this offense sucks and stopped playing.


    ^^^ This

    • Tim Knight says:

      There are always momentum swings in a game and that was it. We should have run out the clock down 10-7 at the half. Instead it’s 17-7 at the half. Big swing in momentum there.

  108. mf13ss says:

    Joe Schad‏Verified account
    8m8 minutes ago
    Xavien Howard was targeted 7 times, allowing 5 receptions for 87 yards and 3 touchdowns per @PFF_Miami #MiamiDolphins
    Time to draft Tarvarus McFadden, CB, FSU

  109. sb7mvp says:

    Some of you guys keep posting like expectations for this year were supposed to be high after the offseason we had. I mean, did you not see most of this coming?

    • Tim Knight says:

      Not all these blowout performances. Tough losses are one thing, not being competitive is another.

    • stangerx says:

      Vegas had us at like 7…..and not like most of us didn’t watch the Ravens or Saints game either. I was going for 9, but than was before the O went south and I always add a homer +1 in anyhow.

  110. Mike E. says:

    So we need an OG, OC, OT, CB, TE, RB early . . .

    How many 1st RD picks do we have?

    • ocalarob says:

      dont worry about early picks according to gase we can get herschel walker in the 4th

      • Mike E. says:

        I do think you can get can get RB talent in the 4th RD, it happens all the time. Jordan Howard, one of the leading rushers was a 5th RD pick

      • ocalarob says:

        sure but unlikely, the best are 1st rounders, we got Ajayi in the 5th due to knee issues but he was 2nd rnd talent.

        i dont think we need a great rb we need a guy who can get the tough yards and occasionally break one, like stewart last night.

  111. ocalarob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    November 14, 2017 at 12:40 pm
    4-3 but we wouldn’t have won last night with him. He doesn’t play defense.

    i disagree, he does play defense, he keeps teams guessing, he opens up others to make plays and keeps the defense on the bench

    • Tim Knight says:

      He was here when our offense was horrible and our defense was on the field all day.

      I was a fan of Ajayi and I didn’t want him to be traded. But his impact was not what you’re saying he was. This team’s issues are well beyond Ajayi. I can’t wrap my head around why we look so bad at times in all phases, but it’s more than a RB.

      • ocalarob says:

        it’s because we are one dimensional, it affects the entire team on both sides of the ball

      • Tim Knight says:

        Then how do you explain the Jets, Saints and Ravens losses?

      • ocalarob says:

        The Saints are one of the best Teams in the league! and it’s not like we had home field advantage. the Jets are very tough at home, did you see them trounce Buffalo? The Ravens have always been a tough head to head match up for us.

      • Tim Knight says:

        That’s all fair, but the point was that Ajayi’s presence didn’t have any effect in those games. Our issues are deeper than that.

  112. Mike E. says:

    Gotta admit one thing – We were all excited about our D-line, but they have been extremely disappointing, especially considering almost every team is double teaming Suh, WTF is Phillips doing besides collecting paychecks? I think he’s done in MIA. Sometimes guys live up to the NEGATIVES in their scouting reports, and he’s one of them. Time to jettison yet another high draft pick. 😦

    • ocalarob says:

      On lack of explosive plays: “That team last night, that’s a tough team to throw the ball down the field on.” Cites good pass rush and DBs playing off for Panthers, making you drive down field.

      I agree Adam, especially when they know you’re going to throw

  113. drg says:

    If I’m GM, I trade or dump Suh. Not worth the money we pay him, IMO. Sorry Son..

    That goes for most of this team. The FO needs to recognize that they are overpaying guys that produce average or below average results. I’d rather have a team full of young, unproven guys than pay a bunch of vets that quit when things go poorly. I’m not even convinced Wake is much of leader although I love having him on the team. The big deals we gave out to Branch, Stills, Alonso, and Jones are looking really bad right now. I don’t mind the idea of paying your guys, but if they produce like this it sets a franchise back a couple years.

    Until you are convinced your team is a contender, I prefer to let guys walk and collect compensatory picks or trade them for picks. I guess there were serious locker room issues with Ajayi, but that was poor management to give up 1 1/2 years of cheap labor for only a 4th rounder. We would have likely received a compensatory pick had we just let him walk in FA.

    I feel like we have an owner who is willing to be patient with his coach. We don’t have to win immediately. Hoard draft assets, play the young and hungry (and cheap) guys, and sign bargain vets late in FA.

    Gase has lost some of his shine, but I still think he is a good coach and would prefer he be given several years to develop something. Seems like the guys he sticks up for aren’t returning the favor with their play and effort.

    • Tim Knight says:

      After last night and some of our other dreadful performances, it’s really hard to figure out why these guys can’t play better. But if it continues, some of what you’re saying will probably happen.

    • ocalarob says:

      Suh will be here for the next 2 years minimum, his contract says so, he’s double teamed most of the time, i don’t think he’s an issue on this team, there is a cap floor so we do have to pay someone. we were fine in cap space prior to signing Cutler.

    • stangerx says:

      Suh up until last night was playing real strong….so strong that the Panthers were putting in OL guys in as to TEs so they could let of the two guys in the middle just concentrate on him. And heck yeah that worked, but they still game-planned to stop him in a special way.

      For sure they might decide he isn’t worth the price, he’s on the books for…..and no doubting that is a big one. Given his contract, they won’t be cutting him though.

      And am right with you on being patient, but to my mind that includes keeping guys on the team you have trust in after having seen them. In that way, have always been a fan of how the Steelers deal with things.

    • Mike E. says:

      Fuck man, I don’t even know what to say anymore

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yeah man, so sad. It wasn’t just a school, it started at a home and other locations ending at an elementary school. Sounds like the shooter who was killed went on a killing spree.

  114. ElephantRider says:

    So now it’s time to get rid of Gase? So…..let’s follow Cleveland’s model of excellence. Lol

  115. mf13ss says:

    Jason Lieser‏Verified account
    1m1 minute ago
    Adam Gase says Dolphins are constantly evaluating their own personnel and available free agents, but he’s not going to cut someone simply “to just drop a bomb on everybody.”
    But Gase WILL just trade someone (Ajayi), just to drop a bomb on everybody.

  116. mf13ss says:

    Barry Jackson‏Verified account
    1m1 minute ago
    New: Dolphins’ Gase defends Xavien Howard, who is ranked 115th among 116 cornerbacks by Pro Football Focus, plus more Dolphins notes:

  117. This team doesn’t deserve the dedication and loyalty it has received from the fans over the years since Shula retired. I’ve been a fan of the Dolphins since the early 70’s and even when the team struggled when Shula was the coach we never saw them quit.

    It’s amazing to see the bunch of underachievers who wear that uniform today.

  118. D says:

    i dont know if i have just reached a point of fuck it i dont give a crap as far as what im seeing game to game, or if i have just settled into a realization that i somewhat already had earlier in the year, which is, losing Tanny for the year was going to make it very hard for us to have a season with any consistency.

    I will make this point about this game. The offense wasn’t that bad. I mean it definitely wasn’t good, Cutler would have a good throw followed by a bad one back to a good, over and over. Landry and Stills were dropping passes, Thomas looked like one of the treants from Lord of the Rings as he plodded through his routes, and despite the score, he played awful. The OL has one dude who was still adjusting to LG who is not being asked to adjust to RT, a former LT, turned LG, who is not learning the speed of the game as a LT in the NFL, a LG spot that has had 3 different people manning it at different times of the year, the current one who was supposed to be the first one, who is knocking rust off of a half the year hiatus. It was a mess but the game got away from us more because the defense could not shut down that offense at all.

    These stats really show how poorly our D let us down. 548 total yards, 7.7 yard per snap average, 45 points off just 10 drives, 30 first downs of 10 drives, 11-14 on third downs therefore 19 1st downs without having to get to 3rd down, 8.2 yards per rush, totaling almost 300 rushing yards, 4 rushers averaged more than 4.6 yards a carry, 3 averaged more than 6.5 per carry. They were 4-4 in the red-zone with TD’s, they had 6 total TD’s, meaning 2 of those scores were off greater than 20 yard plays.

    Offense actually didnt have horrible stats. 2-2 with TD’s in the red-zone, 100yards rushing (not great but not as bad as we have been) with a 5.9 YPC average. 1 long distance rushing TD. Couple passing TD’s, 200+ yards passing. 17 first downs on 10 drives, 7-12 on third downs, 10 first downs made before 3rd down, TOP was around 10 minutes difference but we have been worse. These arent great stats but it says that if we had more help from our defense, we probably would have likely at least had a shot with the offense we had last night. Special teams didnt really help us or hurt us last night, starting field position for either team was pretty average, outside of the two turnovers, the int and the on downs, that resulted in them starting on our side of the field, neither of which can be blamed on the ST.

    I think we will see in the long run how much we blow things up, but i have a feeling on defense it wont be a lot of changes, after all this is really the only real stinkfest they put up, even the Baltimore game, the only thing that looks bad on them is the score, they really didn’t give up a ton of yards and it was the offense and the turnovers that killed us there. Offense is a different story, i dont think its a matter of if there will be significant changes, its just how many, i could see several player, including some that just signed new contracts or that we thought were locks for new contracts, being part of those changes.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I’m at the point where I don’t care who stays and who goes or who we add. Can we put a team out there that at least plays entertaining competitive football? That’s what it’s all about. It’s really tiresome when halfway through a game you know it’s over. You stop rooting because it’s worthless. No excitement needing to make play here. You’re just watching the clock until it’s over or you already bailed. It sucks!

  119. D says:

    ElephantRider says:
    November 14, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    There was more going on than we will ever know.

    The offense looks better with him gone to me…..
    Im with ya on that one man. Not saying he isnt a good back, but obviously he wanted to zig when Gase wanted him to zag and it didnt work out well for either of them. The offense seems better able to run deeper into the play book now. I feel like if we had the right TE we would look even better.

    • ukfinfan says:

      Me too. Ajayi started at Wembley in his coming home party. He did squat. The Saints were there for the taking that day. We didn’t turn up. I love Ajayi’s yards after contact but he isn’t the reason we aren’t winning now. He’s the reason we weren’t winning then. There seems to be a malaise hanging over the Fins. To continue the LoTR theme, we seem like Théoden after Grima has been talking to us for a few millennia. Gase will either shake us out of this or lose his job trying. I can see steel in him. I just hope the task isn’t too big.

  120. D says:

    stangerx says:
    November 14, 2017 at 2:18 pm

    Suh up until last night was playing real strong….so strong that the Panthers were putting in OL guys in as to TEs so they could let of the two guys in the middle just concentrate on him. And heck yeah that worked, but they still game-planned to stop him in a special way.

    For sure they might decide he isn’t worth the price, he’s on the books for…..and no doubting that is a big one. Given his contract, they won’t be cutting him though.

    And am right with you on being patient, but to my mind that includes keeping guys on the team you have trust in after having seen them. In that way, have always been a fan of how the Steelers deal with things.
    You think Suh’s performance was bad last night? He might not have been as dominant, their double-team’s were definitely more effective than we have seen other teams be against him, but he still was really solid, he created more pressure from DT than we got from DE’s all night. There is no way you can replace him and the money is absolutely on par with what that kind of player should make. He probably will restructure again to help us out, which he already has done once, so not only is he playing well he is trying to make sure there is room to keep some of these other guys too. Suh is absolutely our best player on both sides of the ball, and our defense would be completely lost without him. The LB’s were the problem last night. That was the worst performance for all three of them all year, and the worst i have seen Alonzo since he has been with us.

    • D says:

      Wake to me was one of the most surprising disappointments, he couldnt get anything going, he whiffed on some tackles too that were at the LOS but his miss led to like a 7-8 yard gain.

    • stangerx says:

      Keep in mind that was in response to dump Suh now or something like that. Main thing I took away was the game planned to shut him out like some teams do against Gronk. To my mind that was a sign of how good he has been…and he has been. Did he impact as much last night…, but then do swarm on Gronk and you can take him out of the game too.

      But then that should have opened others up, but it did not. So right with you the problems lay elsewhere. They basically put a beat down on the DL. And it worked, but then they have a special kind of running QB too that adds some beat-down smacks of his own.

  121. D says:

    Mike E. says:
    November 14, 2017 at 1:44 pm

    Gotta admit one thing – We were all excited about our D-line, but they have been extremely disappointing, especially considering almost every team is double teaming Suh, WTF is Phillips doing besides collecting paychecks? I think he’s done in MIA. Sometimes guys live up to the NEGATIVES in their scouting reports, and he’s one of them. Time to jettison yet another high draft pick. 😦
    Mike, the DL wasnt that bad, the LB’s were very bad though. They missed so many tackles, over ran the plays, etc, they couldnt cover, they really struggled. The worst part of our DL was no pressure on Cam. That is the difference in beating the Panthers or losing to them. You have to make Cam feel pressure. If he does he unravels, we had nothing in pass rush to account for, outside of maybe 2 times, i think once was Timmons on a blitz and the other was Branch off the edge. Wake did nothing in that game. Hayes was actually more effective than Wake.

    • The narrative on Phillips was “he takes plays off”. Seems to me the entire defense takes plays off. Can you honestly dump on one guy on the defense?

      As far as Suh is concerned, whether or not he’s getting doubled means nothing to me. He’s getting paid $115M, He knows he’s going to get doubled. Other DT’s know they’re going to get doubled. It’s part of the game. Make plays. That’s why he gets paid the big bucks.

      IMO, we should try and trade him to a team like Cleveland that’s got a ton of cap space. I could actually see the Browns go for it because he beefs up their d line. That gets rid of his contract. If not, cut him with a post June 1 designation. Trade Tannehill, cut or trade Pouncey and cut or trade James.

      I’d rather go 5-11 or 6-10 for a reason and if we’re going in the right direction with new acquisitions and you could see that then it’s better than having a team that’s going to be stagnant and go nowhere for the next 10 years. It’s the same thing every year where we go into a season with hope and optimism and it doesn’t work out and the reason it doesn’t work out is because this team’s front office hasn’t a clue as to what it takes to assemble a competitive NFL franchise. And that’s what they get paid very well to do. Boggles the mind.

  122. D says:

    I think a lot of the problems on offense were Larsen too, he was horrible in run blocking and his pass pro was shaky as well. I think it was a little early for him to be back but we really needed to insert him right off. Im hoping he settles out some, but he had all kind of problems with Short.

  123. And, the narrative the season was lost when Tannehill went down is way off the mark. The guy has shown little to this point to make anyone think that his play would have lifted this team to a point of being the slightest bit more competitive than what it’s been to date.

    I highly doubt we’d be looking at anything better than the 4-5 mark we’re looking at right now.

  124. Suh was the right guy at the wrong time. If the team needed that one guy who could put you over the top then he’s the guy you go after but the team wasn’t anywhere near being that competitive when he was signed so, yeah, maybe he played well but it’s a waste of money when the remainder of your defense sucks.

    • D says:

      I agree with this, sorta. He’s both that guy, who puts your already good defense into the excellent range, but i think he also is the guy, that when you are rebooting a defense he is also the cornerstone player you want to get to start yourself off int he right direction. You might be right about some of the other guys, but i think we just had a really bad game, the guys we have are all better than average to good players, some are still developing im not disappointed with that side of the ball right now, Im just disappointed with this one performance by them.

  125. D says:

    Lou, Suh has been making plays….all year and hell even this game he had more pressures on the QB than the DE’s did, he penetrated into the backfield even with the double-teams, this is one game and it wasn’t even bad, it just wasn’t his normal monster performance. If you cant justify paying a once in a decade type player that kind of money, they you shouldnt have any on your team, and you cant expct to have at least one spot of dominance to build around. You cant hang what happened last night on Suh, and you really cant use it to justify trading or cutting him. If its about the money, fine, call it that, but you cant say he isnt worth what he is paid because he certainly is. In fact that’s the only reason that i agree with you that some team woud be willing to take on his salary in a trade.

    Its a moot point though, even with a trade, you cant get out of the cap hit he would be, in fact we wouldn’t have the cap space right just to do it, much less eat the dead money hit if we wanted to. We would have to cut people to clear up the money to trade him, and then we would be back at 0 cap space and no way to replace him, nor the people we we cut so we could trade him.

    Just to make my point, you and i were in agreement we have roughly 17.7 mil in cap space to start 2018, Suh’s dead money hit if we traded him is 22.2mil, we would have to cut a guy like Thomas just to break even lol. No way he is getting traded, you can hope for him to re-structure and move some of the cap hit around, but he wont get cut or traded, we cant afford that.

  126. D says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    November 14, 2017 at 4:36 pm

    And, the narrative the season was lost when Tannehill went down is way off the mark. The guy has shown little to this point to make anyone think that his play would have lifted this team to a point of being the slightest bit more competitive than what it’s been to date.

    I highly doubt we’d be looking at anything better than the 4-5 mark we’re looking at right now.
    So you are telling me that ANY team, can just pick up a QB that has never been with the team, and roll with him in place of their starter, the guy who has chemistry with all the other players on the team and not miss a beat? I dont care how ya feel about Tanny, you cant tell me they wouldnt have been more familiaty, less regular season adjustments to make if it hadnt been him playing. I have been critical of Tanny’s misgivings, i dont hate on him quite as hard because i see the good with the bad, but im not saying that to say he would have us playing perfect football. I cant though discount what losing your team leader on offense does to team synergy, route timing, etc. Even you have to be reasonable enough to admit that starting a season off like that would fuck up some things.

    • Tim Knight says:

      The way this season has gone and how the offense has played most of the season so far, Tannehill will no doubt be the starter in 2018. Cutler will not be back unless he’s cool with a backup role. Yes this is my opinion but I think I’ll be right. 🙂

      I don’t think we’re hitting restart, but there will be some significant changes made in 2018. There has to be.

      • D says:

        I still think the Tanny decision hinges on him re-structuring, and like i said a few days ago, thats not a slight against him and its actually in his best interest if he does it because he can get more guarantees if he does it. Restructures aren’t losing any money, money around and they can flip some of the money into guarantees. If i were him id actually be hoping they asked me to because that would put him in the driver seat for more security.

      • Tim Knight says:


      • If Tannehill is the starter in ’18 it will only go to show one thing; this organization is a shit show. There is absolutely no way you can make changes to improve the team and send it off in a different direction and keep him as the starter. No way.

    • First, When did Tannehill become the team leader on offense because I must have missed that.
      Second, when you look at the play of this offensive line and the lack of a running game thru the first 9 games of the season it’s hard to imagine that a quarterback who is incapable of making something happen on his own would make all that much of a difference. He plays within the system and isn’t capable of seeing any mismatches there may be between our guys and the players on defense. Maybe we would have been a bit more competitive in some of the games we’ve played but I would agree with another post that says MAYBE we win one more game.

      You know darn well we still aren’t winning that game vs Baltimore. Just isn’t happening. So, yeah, we may be a little more competitive with Tannehill because he would have had a full off-season unlike Cutler and he’s more familiar with our guys on offense but it’s not like we’re going from Cutler to Rodgers.

  127. ElephantRider says:

    You build around Suh. Time to run whatever defense he says! Lol

    Defense had their worst game of the year. Not the end of the world. The offense has outdone them every other week in putridity

  128. ElephantRider says:

    And I’ll add….

    RT17 going down was much bigger than most here want to admit. Basically same personnel….look at the difference in output.

    • D says:

      Yeah you cant discount what losing him did as far as affecting us. I don’t know that id go so far to say we wouldn’t be in a similar place, we would have lost this game just the same for example, but i do think we would have had more offensive rhythm and we could have spent more time fine tuning instead of learning anew, we probably would have a slightly better record, like i feel we surely would have beat the Jets the first time, we likely beat the Saints, or at least it would have been way more competitive. Id like to think we would have beaten Baltimore but they just seem to have our number so i really cant call that. I could see 6-3 with Tanny right now, dont know that anything more wouldn’t be crazy talk though.

      • Tim Knight says:

        As bad and as up and down as Cutler has been, our season results are not all because of him. So RT would have had some struggles too. But he would have been throwing the ball a lot better. Cutler isn’t the same gunslinger he used to be. His arm is not what it used to be and that was always what he relied on, superior arm strength.

        This team has issues in all phases so the team needs to figure it out and decide what needs to be upgraded in the offseason.

  129. Mike E. says:


    What has Phillips done all season though? He’s supposed to be getting better, and I haven’t seen any impact from him. The guy makes one really athletic play every 8 games, enough to make you think he can do it more, but he never does. I know stats for an interior defensive lineman don’t tell the whole story, but he’s right next to Suh who is occupying 2 OL, so he should be winning more than he does. 2 tackles, 5 assists, no sacks. That’s just nothing.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He’s been disappointing and not getting any better from what I’ve seen.

    • D says:

      Earlier, he was pretty dominant, but he has really faded out as the year has gone along. He has never been consistent for us. The proof is in the pudding with him, when you look at how good Godchaux has been at the same spot and without the same physicality as Phillips.

      I have a hard time understanding people Phillips because personality wise im pretty anti-phillips. I have never had to have other people motivate me to achieve what i want to, i also have never shied away from competition no matter the level of who im competing with. Maybe its because i really didnt get people patting me on the back for everything i did so i always felt i just had to max effort the hell out of things so i could get recognition.

      I think Phillips though is very OK with his level of effort. i think he also just accepts that Suh is a pro-bowl player and he isnt on that level so he doesnt let Suh’s work ethic and dominance push him to try to be his equal. He just accepts he isnt. Thats the only way to describe a guy with as many physical gifts as he has and as much power and quickness and yet more size than even Suh has, to be such a low achiever. Unfortunately its likely we never see the guy reach his, and though he’s not a Jordan like flop/waste of talent, its not too far off to make the comparison.

      Work ethic, drive, determination, self-motivation, etc is all dying in the world. You so see some who still have it, (im glad to see at least my oldest daughter has it, the rest are too young to really know yet) but for the most part its getting very few and far between.

  130. Tim Knight says:

    Before we get to the skill positions on offense in the offseason, we have to address the OL or it will be more of the same. We can’t keep going with the same group of guys and having the same issues. We’ve got to get more physical up front.

    We’ve got some pieces to work with but in the grand scheme of things guys like Larsen and Davis are probably best suited as game day backups because of their versatility. Bushrod probably won’t be back and the team has to decide if Pouncey can be the same level player he once was because they could release him with only a $2M cap hit. Then where do they stand with James? Tunsil should get better with time but we do need to start adding some premier talent here because the low end guys we keep rolling with aren’t getting it done.

    We can add all the skill in the world, if we can’t block the plays it won’t matter.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Then there is the defense. I’m lost here because I thought we were trending upwards but in recent games they’ve struggled quite a bit. We have some youth and new guys on defense so the young guys need some time, but overall we have enough vets that should keep it together and they haven’t been of late.

      • I had said to watch for the collapse of the defense if the offense doesn’t get it’s shit together and that’s exactly what’s happening. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some struggling vs TB even though they are a shit show.

    • D says:

      Skill position to me really depends on some of the other moves before the draft. If we dont resign Landry for example, that makes WR, especially in this shallow WR draft class, a pretty big deal to replace. Id probably still do it with a trade back so i could get one OL, possibly 2 in day 2 of the draft, but i dont know that it wouldnt have to be a WR day 1. As we all know a lot of needs change before you get to the draft, so its really hard to speculate much further. I agree with you though, id put some real effort into drafting at the OL position, maybe a double to triple dip by the end of our last 4th round selection.

  131. Randy says:

    Tannehill MAY have gotten us one more win, but I think that’s just wishful thinking. He’s not and has never been that sort of player. He doesn’t make players around him better. Cutler actually makes his OL better than Tanny ever has. The reality is that almost ALL of the offensive players have sucked this year. Tannehill being gone has very little to do with that. People are overreacting to his absence because we suck so bad. There’s really no way to know for certain either way. My opinion is it has had very little actual impact. Surprise! Lol

  132. Randy says:

    I agree on Phillips too. I mentioned it last night to M13 when I talked about Suh and Wake. Phillips has way too many physical gifts to not be taking advantage of the single blocking he gets with all the attention Suh gets….same with Wake. Those two positions should be making more impact plays.

  133. Randy says:

    And if folks haven’t noticed, we’ve looked bad against teams who ran unbalanced lines on us all year. It’s been a trend.

  134. Randy says:

    I would disagree. Wake has a splash play or series and then disappears for a long time. He only has 6 sacks…and 2 1/2 were against the Jets. It’s a matter of degree, but I think he should be doing more playing alongside Suh.

  135. wyoming85 says:

    Colts from Luck to Tolzien/Brissett
    Texans from Watson to Savage
    Dolphins from Tannehill to Cutler

    From playoff teams to tire fires.

    It’s not rocket science, guys.

  136. olddolphan says:

    WAY,WAY up the page Mike E. asked me if I “had an alarm that went off every time the Dolphins have a losing record…??”
    Mike, if that were true, my alarm would be going off ABOUT 90 PER CENT OF THE TIME!!!!!!!!!!—-with ONE winning season in the last 7/8 years, there’s just NOT ENOUGH DAYS to complain when the Ross Fins have a winning record! But, rest assured, I HAVE ripped Ross to shreds for his idiotic moves, even on the few days they DO HAVE A WINNING RECORD!! WHY?? Because Ross is, by any standard or measure, THE WORST OWNER IN FINS’ HISTORY AND THE ONLY OWNER WHO HAS NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME (hasn’t even come close–TWO blowout losses to Ravens and Steelers)!!
    ROSS IS 74 AND LOOKS 95!! And, speaking of “95,” Ross should take I-95 North to New York and permanently sit his bony ass down in a real estate board room and ponder his next land deal. Shit, maybe he’ll SELL THE DOLPINS to a fellow New York real estate mogul who actually has A CLUE ABOUT HOW TO RUN A WINNING, I SAID “WINNING,” NFL franchise that can win playoff games and compete for a Super Bowl victory!!

  137. Jahndoh30 says:

    Did we not lose our starting QB before the season even started? Did we not go 10-6 and finally break the playoff drought last season?

    I’m not happy with the team’s play, but I think it’s knee jerk to be calling for Gase’s job. But then again, I’m always the last one to call for a coach’s firing so…I get that….

    • olddolphan says:

      TWO POINTS: 1) I haven’t yet called for Gase’s job.
      2) WE did NOT break our playoff drought for playoff wins last season or any season since Ross has had a hand in running the Dolphins. A good season is not just making the playoffs (hell, the 7-9 Seahawks MADE the playoffs one season). A GOOD SEASON IS WINNING A PLAYOFF GAME (which those same 7-9 Seahawks did accomplish).

      CORRECT me if I’m wrong but I believe it’s true that NO head coach signed by Ross has ever left Miami after the inevitable firing and WON a playoff game as head coach of another NFL team. NOW THAT’S some record of futility!!!

  138. Mike E. says:

    D – Thanks man, I saw your response. I’m not blaming everything on Phillips, far from it, I just think he’s a huge disappointment. I know I hoped/expected he’d make strides, I haven’t seen anything positive at all so far.

  139. Jahndoh30 says:

    That last TD run by Carolina was actually on Suh based on my one watch of it (and replays), he gambled and didn’t maintain gap penetration and the running back ran in the gap he left open.

    I love Suh, and I forgive him for it. LOL..but that’s what I thought I saw.

  140. Randy says:

    If Tannehill makes that big of a difference then why were we so successful after he got hurt late last season? We actually increased our offensive output without him.

  141. Tim Knight says:

    Same old discussions I see.

  142. The Flying Pig says:

    Busy day at work
    What did I miss
    Did everyone post how happy they are???

  143. wyoming85 says:

    Maybe Gase will get into the kitchen and bake up a storm!

  144. Randy says:

    Well, there is that. Lol

  145. Ken says:

    I knew the day would come when we would finally acknowledge that Tannehill was pretty good and important to this team’s success. Well except for Randy

  146. Randy says:

    It’s a matter of degree, and you guys are assuming a lot. But, I expected this if we didn’t play well after he went down. It fits people’s narrative whether or not it’s actually true. This was a .500 team with or without him. He’s not “pretty good”. He’s average by any objective evaluation.

    • Ken says:

      He is not elite but he is above average and I think the team misses him. He doesn’t transform into Super Bowl contenders but I also think we would have won more games and we would not have been shut out 2x (almost 3) with Tannehill

  147. Randy says:

    whatever he is. It hasn’t been good enough. I wish he’d been able to play this year, but I don’t see him as a big difference maker. Pretty much everybody ranked him as a mid tier player last year. We don’t win games on his arm. But of course the team misses him. He had history and rapport with everyone. He’s been working with these guys for years. That is always gonna trump pulling some guy in off the street.

  148. The Flying Pig says:

    I think if Tannehill did play today – we would at least know how close or far we are instead of just guessing where we are with him

  149. Phindog says:

    Ross doesn’t play the game.. I think he is doing and investing everything we need to be successful. We are just not good at executing on both sides of the ball. Takes a few years for a head coach to build his team .. everyone wants instant gratification now but reality sets in and we are a damaged team with a shit ton of bad things that happened in preseason. But it’s easy to blame the owner. At least we are not the browns. 😎🖕

    • Funny thing about those Browns is if they get themselves a quarterback and a couple of other missing pieces they look like they could be more competitive next year than we will be. They may not have won a single game yet but they are besting us in several categories on offense and still have the 4th ranked defense vs the run while we’ve dropped from 7th to 20th in that category.

  150. ElephantRider says:

    If only Ross would make some blocks and tackle people…..

  151. Well, the point differential between Miami and Cleveland is now only ten points; not 20 like it was when I wrote my last piece for my blog.

    Cleveland is still besting us in several categories despite being a winless team and, like I said, we’re in danger of going in two different directions here. They’ve got plenty of cap and plenty of draft picks and it could be one of those things where they get the players they need and we don’t and the next thing you know we’re still competing for 3rd or 4th in our division while they’re looking at possible playoffs.

    I’m not rooting for them, I’m just saying that’s how little difference there is right now between us and a winless team. Not much and if this team doesn’t realize how piss poor they’ve been then there’s going to be some issues going forward.

    • $54M in cap and 12 draft picks in ’18 including 2 in the first and 3 in the 2nd. That’s a lot of firepower right there. They’re going to get their qb, possibly a rb and some offensive line help in this next draft plus with what they’ve got to spend with the cap they can shore up some areas of need.

      Again, this team could be loaded for bear starting next season and turn it’s fortunes around.

  152. Right now you’ve got a head coach who looks like he doesn’t have any answers. You’ve got players on the team who are quitting on him. He traded away one of the best players on offense because he couldn’t deal with him.

    Does this sound familiar? I’m not saying he should be fired but I am saying that, to me, it looks like Gase is in that gray area right now where he needs to start turning things around or he may be in danger of going down the same path as some of our other coaches.

    The entire team outright quit on Sporano and there were quite a few players who quit on Philbin and you can go ahead and say Gase is a better head coach than either of team but at 4-5 it doesn’t look like it and he’s got more talent on this team than either of the other two guys did.

  153. Ken says:

    Cleveland will be a contender when it finds the phone number to the league office

  154. Mike E. says:

    Can we hear more about the Browns? This is great!

  155. ocalarob says:

    Stealing a quote from Sam Wyche “You don’t live in Cleveland you live in Miami”

  156. ocalarob says:

    Has Cleveland ever appeared in a Superbowl? I don’t recall they did.

  157. sb7mvp says:

    Cleveland rocks!

  158. The Flying Pig says:


    There is little difference between 0-9 and 4-5?

    Come on…seriously

    I remember 1-15 and that Ravens game where Greg Camirillo caught the winning TD
    The Owner cried…
    That’s quite a difference

    The Browns have a chance of being only the 2nd team in NFL history to go 0-16 this year

    0-9 follows a 1-15 year

    They are 1-24 in their last 25 games

    They drafted 6 WRS in he 2016 draft which lead to them waiving Taylor Garbriel who became a starting WR on the Super Bowl highest scoring offense in the NFL Falcons

    They botched a trade deadline for AJ McCarron because they forgot to call it into the NFL

    There is quite a monumental difference between the Browns and the Dolphins
    Grab the closest object to you to get yourself grounded and keep some perspective…you are losing it!

    we might have our work cut out for us – but we are comparable to the Browns…no one is

  159. Mike E. says:


  160. The Flying Pig says:

    IMO you will get a real good idea of where we are when we play the Bills twice

    Between the Bills, Jets and Dolphins, I don’t know who will finish 2, 3 and 4 in the division
    but we may very well end up sweeping them again this year despite all the statistics anomalies out there

    We’ve been REALLY bad in many games this year
    but sometimes when it rains it hails
    and that is usually the case in blowouts

    Its still a new game every week
    I’m not buying that we are similar to a team that has gone 1-24 in the last 2 years…wow…

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