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Cousins, Tyrod, Brissett and possibly Keenum will be available next year. You pair one of them with Tannehill or you draft a guy. The only guy worth drafting is Mayfield.
I like Mayfield but I don’t see him as a great pro prospect. Great intangibles but mediocre physical skills
Compared to Cutler, Moore, and a fragile Tannehill, I’d take Mayfield’s physical skills in a heart beat. And remember, Ken, next season’s QB’s better be able to run b/c they’ll be playing behind one of the worst O-Lines in the NFL!
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RUN, BAKER, RUN!!
I don’t think anyone of those guys are an upgrade over Tannehill. There are other guys in the draft that I would look at. Allen, Thorson and Ferguson could all be options
Suh is the absolute least of our troubles. Our offense scored 10 measly points yesterday with a beautiful pick to end the half when we could have made it a game.
I am not saying Suh is a problem. I am saying his contract is. He is an excellent player but tying up that much money in a DT even a great one hurts our ability to upgrade the rest of the team. I don’t think a great DT makes enough of a difference to warrant that kind of salary
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Ken,
I think Suh gives others around him a bigger advantage in their individual matchups and therefore SHOULD make those around him better. But, it’s still up to those other players to take advantage of those individual advantages. He also allows us to do things defensively because he consistently draws double or triple teams. Given our defensive performance this year, it’s hard to say he is making anybody better….but I still think he does. I also think he brings a physical, intimidating presence that can benefit the defense….one would hope.
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QB is a little different because I think they have a more direct influence on others. They can make their OL better by moving in the pocket. They can make their receivers better by making really accurate throws. They can make their RBs better by making the right calls at the line. I think it’s a fine line, but I think QBs can have a more direct influence than a DT can.
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I also get the thought that you shouldn’t pay a DT that much regardless of how good he is. But, top DT are also getting paid obscene money these days. I don’t spend nearly the time others do wringing my hands over the cap though. These teams always seem to find the money they need when they need it. Lol
I just don’t see the evidence of your first point. I agree theoretically that should happen but I just don’t see it
Our defense is f’ed because of our shit offense. We’re never in a game.
I am not giving the offense a pass they have been terrible but the defense has its share of the blame too. We were down 14-0 yesterday before we blinked
Ken, 21-13 with a FG in the bag at the end of the half, throw a pick and now the momentum changes at 21-10. Happens every week. We come out and do nothing to start the 2nd half. The only TD was on defense at that point. The offense didn’t score a TD until the 4th quarter.
As I said Tim I am not giving the offense a pass they were terrible. Defense was too. It was a team effort yesterday as it has been most of the year
Ken,
QBs are more prone to injury because they are pussies…not because they play a more physical position. Lol
I knew you would go there LOL
He’s right though lol
I still get pissed thinking back to Tannehill not knowing what teams are in our division. We need a leader who knows how to win and has hootzba!
Get Mayfield and put Tannehill back to receiver lol
Ross loves Suh, Tannenbaum landed him, he’s a beast of a player. I’d bet on Suh being in Miami in 2018.
When you think of Gase’s 1st season with new coaches and philosophies, inherited and some new personnel grinding out a 10-6 playoff season, than compare it to this season with way more turnover and younger players, injuries etc. Just a bad year. It doesn’t mean we have no talent or good coaches to build on.
I have seen a few articles saying the Dolphins will move on from Suh this off season most likely a post June 1 cut or trade. We will save 17 million off the cap but we will have 13 million dead money in 2019.
I have too. I’ll believe it when I see it. But I also never thought we’d sign him. LOL
Ken,
That why I think it’s just easier to see the impact a QB has on players around them than DTs do. As I said, DT’s impact is more in drawing attention away from other players and, basically, making their jobs easier. But, those other players still need to take advantage of those one-on-one situations. If they don’t or can’t, Suh’s impact is muted. I also think Suh’s ability to occupy two or three blockers in his area allows us to do things schematically that is overlooked. Given our defensive issues this year, it’s hard to pimp anybody.
How much worse can our defense be without Suh? Statistically speaking not much
Tim,
I don’t think it’s all that uncommon for rookie HCs in the NFL to have winning seasons. It seems like it happens a fair amount.
Yes and often following a setback.
The QB position was rattled. OL still not where it needs to be. WR I’m a bit more skeptical about though the prior plays a major role in it. RB is being redone like it or not. TE needs young talent.
The defense has been overhauled. 3 rookies on the DL, two rookies at LB with McMillan out and a solid UDFA in Allen, other moves with Timmons, Maualuga, trade for Anthony, bringing Hewitt back. Maualuga now gone – dumb move off the field.
Secondary has young corners – McCain settling in at nickel/slot 3rd year, Howard 2nd year, Tankersley rookie, Lippett out for the year but hopefully back as a 4th year guy in 2018. McDonald pairing with Jones just recently at safety.
Build on it don’t start over. That could be painful for 5 years.
Our QB play is decent and we’re decent.
Our QB play sucks and we suck. Out loud.
We need a QB to be good and beyond.
Tannehill ain’t takin us there just like Cutler ain’t.
I think Tannehill can but agree he is not elite. I am not opposed to the idea of trying to land one of the top QB in the draft and I am not talking about Mayfield. I think Darnold and Rozen will be rated the top 2 and I like Rozen better. I also really like Allen from Wyoming and Thorson from Northwestern. We realistically have a chance at both of those guys perhaps even in the second round.
I’ll stand alone on my island for Baker. I was alone for Cam, Cousins and Watson.
Darnald is boy like Tannehill, Rosen is slight of build and the others are small school guys I can’t trust. We need better than ok.
I have a pretty good track record with QBs too. I don’t see Mayfield having the physical skills to project well at the next level and I have watched him a lot as OK is my favorite college team as my brother went there for his PHD. Mayfield has below average height for the position. He has an average arm and while elusive he is not particularly fast. He has great instincts but that only gets you so far at the next level. You need the physical skills at the next level and I just don’t see those in Mayfield
We’d be sooo stupid to let Suh walk that’s the height of idiocy.
I can’t take it any Moore, Cutler me a break.
Go get Baker!
What? Hewitt is back? When did this happen? I’ve been too busy being an old loser hag to keep up.
He’s back. They signed him off the practice squad last week.
And please don’t even bother yourself with that idiots bullshit. He needs a smack up side his head for talking shit to you the way he did.
son,
I also don’t think Tannehill can win a big game for us in the playoffs. If we had a top flight defense that could hold teams to 17 points…maybe he does enough to win a SB. But, I just think he’s too easy to defend….and the better defenses at the playoff level will handcuff him.
If Flacco can win a SB Tannehill can.
He just doesn’t have enough savvy to be big time. He’s very limited in intangibles, he’s not a demonstrative leader and he’s prone to throw pucks in critical situations.
Now Baker, he’s been doing this shit since he was big enough to put pads on…
I’ve heard people say they really like Mayfield and others who really dislike him.
Offense:
OL Tunsil LT, Davis (versatile, the rest is questionable – money vs. performance and low end reliability.
TE Gray, I think we move on from Fasano and Thomas = $9.35M cap space.
QB Tannehill/?
RB Drake/Williams/?
WR Landry needs to be re-signed. Stills is a playmaker though not consistent. Parker not sure about anymore. Need better depth.
Defense:
DL try to add another pass rusher
LB competition
DB competition
STs better return game
I think Stills inconsistency is more emblematic of the bigger picture and that is the offense isn’t very effective.
Ken,
Like I said, if we build a defense like the Ravens had…then maybe Tannehill is enough to win a SB, but that is a very big task. I’d rather keep trying to find a really good QB than try to build a lights out defense. Tannehill will most likely be out of the league by the time it takes us to build a championship defense.
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After this season I think Allen will return to Wyoming for his senior season!
But I could be wrong if they convince him he’s going top 20?
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Ken you can’t get out of Suhs contract. He costs us more to trade or cut than to keep on the team. His money does justify his production. You have to give him credit for more than his stats, he makes a OC focus his scheme to stop him. For what he makes as a DT it isn’t way outside what other top DTs get paid. He has a balloon payment on his account next year, a bulk of the contract money is scheduled for 2018. If we cut or trade him, we still pay his 2018, plus we have to pay all the rest of the signing bonuses and guaranteed money left on the contract. We pretty much fuck ourselves cap wise. You should hope for a restructure, but really you are just delaying the inevitable by moving the money due to different years
If we cut Suh and designate him as a June 1 cut his dead money goes way down compared to his $22 M cap hit if we keep him. However, I do believe you’re correct that we’re not letting him go despite needing to clear some cap space.
I also think Gase feels he can win with Tannehill and, although I think we do draft a quarterback in the upcoming draft, I don’t think it’s in the first round. If we end up somewhere between 5 and 10 I think our target is going to be Barkley. Go for the premiere running back in the draft to help the run game AND the pass game because, not only is he a weapon running the ball but out of the backfield and a mismatch lining him up against a LB in the passing game.
Then I think we try and target either a Smith or Price in the 2nd rd if at all possible.
I don’t think Miami will have any interest in a QB this off-season, A new QB would be starting over learning Gases pass happy system. I think we stay status quo with the Tanny/Moore connection.
What Miami should do is solidify a power running game, get Barkely, pick up some run blockers via FA/Draft, get another power back to back up Barkely and dump either williams or drake.
That will solve everything, the Defense will look like gang busters if we have a decent run game.
What did our running game look like the last time we won a superbowl? That’s right Kiick and Csonka with a little Mercury.
how do we luck into a top QB ever like Marino and not win a SB?
do you think we were pass happy back then?
Gase can not afford to go into next season with Drake and Williams as the featured RBs, if he does he can turn out the lights because the party’s over.
What ever we do keep Suh
SUCK-ON FOR SAQUON PLEASE!
I just wonder if there’s a big fall-off in talent between Jesse Davis and Juwaun James? Dumping James saves Miami 9 million and Davis plays for peanuts
I’m having deja vu from the old blog circa 2015
That’s because our team is performing circa 2015. Man does this get old . . .
Ken says:
November 27, 2017 at 9:21 pm
How much worse can our defense be without Suh? Statistically speaking not much
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Wait… statistically speaking? I thought you can’t go by stats, you’ve got to go by the tape. Suh commands a double-team EVERY PLAY and the occasional triple-team as well. Suh isn’t the problem here, Ken. His salary may be bloated, but we’d be 0-11 without him.
That is why I qualified it to say statistically speaking
It would be quite the cap hit to part ways with Suh
And we don’t get any better
We don’t get any better by giving away players
We get better by adding them, better coaching not and better leadership
I really don’t get blowing it up
Addition by substraction is usually not effective
Actually post June 1 cut it would be a big cap saving for 2018 but there is big dead money for 2019. I also don’t think that Suh has made that much of a difference on defense. We were mediocre before him. We are mediocre with him.
Hard to argue against that. It doesn’t make sense though. Why we can’t make teams pay for double or triple teaming 1 player is beyond my comprehension. We supposedly have talent in our front 7, what are they doing?
That dead money in ’19 is even worse
Suh should be here at least next year to see what we can do with a healthy Tannehill, and hopefully, another good draft and FA.
It’s disappointing to me that we can’t seem to develop any talent at WR.
Parker – NO
Carroo – NO
Grant – NO
I’d even say Landry and Stills NO, I think they just do what they do. I hope we get to see more of Carroo and Grant soon, we have 5 games left, I’d like to see what they can do.
The qb play is really hurting those guys this year
I would not dismantle it just yet
I don’t know why Carroo isn’t on the field
I don’t think Parker is doing a great job getting open
Well the pats DB basically pressed him all game and it worked
Should not be so easy to take a WR away
Parker is a little more finesse than I want out of a WR but we can also do a better job playing to his strengths and I didn’t not think we do that
When I see multiple underachieving by the WRs, the DL, the OL I start to look at he coaching more closely
The whole team is bad this year
I’m less concerned about what individual players bring and more concerned about the big picture
I’m not calling for anyone’s head
But Gase is fucking up this year and he should own that
When Tannehill went down I said it gives us an opportunity to see what Gase can do
I think we have our answer
If Carroo isn’t underachieving, and he just sucks, then it really kills me that we had to use 3 picks to get him.
I don’t really care much about day 3 picks
But it’s a complete misfire to use multiple picks in a guy that can’t see the field
I care about every pick. 4th RD picks can turn into great players too. I hate to waste picks period.
Day 2 (2nd and 3rd round) has always been my sweet spot
The only reason I value day 3 picks is to use them to trade up😝
When Suh left Detroit they were the #1 defense in the league and great against the run
It’s amazing that we are talking about him not benefitting the Dolphins
His play is no worse for us than it was for Detroit but for some reason we don’t exploit it
Again – that coaching IMO
When talent doesn’t produce results sometimes in overvaluation Of he talent or underachieving by the talent
But when all the talent busts – it’s probably flows down
Suh has done what we want him to do in Detroit before us
Why can’t we duplicate those results in Miami
That’s what I don’t understand. It’s like everyone else on the D-line is just standing around. There should be a lot of one on one matchups we should be winning that we aren’t.
Early this season is was clicking
And now it’s not – that is what is really crazy
Again – I think that reflects on the coaching more Han the talent
We seem to be a pretty passive defense. We hardly ever blitz. I saw Alonso blitz last week, he couldn’t stay on his feet although he was barely touched. We’re just in a bad way, I don’t think Burke trusts his secondary now, so he hasn’t been blitzing much, at least what I’ve seen.
I say all this stuff about the coaching
And I bet we have a winning record in the final 5 games
What if we go 5-0
Given how bad KC has been lately and we got the rod New England game out of the way it’s not crazy
This team is completely looney fucking tunes
Do you remember how bad we were at 1-4 last season
They are a schizo team
When we are bad we are so bad it hurts my eyes
we need 2 new coordinators. On defense someone with more experience and offense someone that knows how to build oline for running the ball.
I can see a switch with both coordinators
But if it happens, let’s hope it’s not cosmetic
Gase really only knows how to scheme a passing attack. We need coordinators that can handle everything else.
Wtf is this
its like derek zoolander. Can only turn right 🙂
Yeah that was bad and Moore had time to throw it away but he didn’t look at the LB either. WTF is right!
At least Larsen immediately was engaged with the RE, Pouncey flat out ignored him and 3 or 4 steps later was double teaming the DT. To me, that was all on Pouncey
Pretty bad on Moore too to not even see the MLB. What did he need flashing lights? LOL
I didn’t mind the type of trade we made for Carroo, just not sure we did it for the right player.
Grant is obviously a very small but fast WR and return man but the NFL might be too big for him.
Parker always seems to have some sort of foot issues and when he’s not 100% his value goes down because it’s his ability to win one on one matchups for the ball that is his edge.
I do think the coaches need to re-evaluate how they go about preparing this team. Lots of work to do in 2018 for everyone.
LOL Tim – I wouldn’t have minded the Dion FF trade up either if you get a stud, the problem is, we make those moves and get duds, not studs.
I guess what I’m saying is, unless you’re excellent at evaluating, don’t throw away picks!
The Dion FF trade was a different type of trade though moving up to #3 for a 2nd. The Carroo trade was mid and late rd stuff. Sometimes you’re going to have hits and misses even with trades.
Tim
You know I hate T-Bomb’s wheeling and dealing ways. He’s not great. At least if you keep all your picks and use them, you have a better shot off being right. lol
Well it’s not like he trades away our 1st through 3rd rd picks and/or ends up with only 5 picks every year or something like that. We had 8 draft picks in 2016, 7 in 2017 and we have 8 this year.
Mike E. says:
November 28, 2017 at 9:59 am
Hard to argue against that. It doesn’t make sense though. Why we can’t make teams pay for double or triple teaming 1 player is beyond my comprehension. We supposedly have talent in our front 7, what are they doing?
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Because the Offense has the D on its heels most of the time
Rob, I can’t agree with that at all. Are we dominant in the early part of games on defense and then get tired out, or are we average to less than average in the 1st half? I think we both know the answer.
IMHO I believe the ebbs and flows of the game create a psychological state of mind for players, when you’re getting your ass kicked and you’re always on the field moral is down on the other hand when your offense is a ball control offense and you are kicking ass the D has a spring in their step
We lose the TOP battle almost every week. I don’t think it’s the defense getting tired physically at times, but mentally with the offense sputtering basically every week. It’s gotta wear on you.
Mike E. says:
November 28, 2017 at 10:14 am
It’s disappointing to me that we can’t seem to develop any talent at WR.
Parker – NO
Carroo – NO
Grant – NO
I’d even say Landry and Stills NO, I think they just do what they do. I hope we get to see more of Carroo and Grant soon, we have 5 games left, I’d like to see what they can do.
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This is what happens when you are one dimensional
This is how it was when we had Ajayi and weren’t one dimensional as you say.
I disagree at one point when we were using Ajayi we were 4-2. the threat was their for Ajayi to have punishing runs, The D had to game plan for that leaving other areas open
I remember when we had those Piggy drafts, man they were fun
I usually don’t like trading picks, unless I’m getting more picks. More picks means you have more chances to hit on guys and you have more young, hungry competition. For a team like the Dolphins who aren’t a perennial contender, we’ve needed more picks to get lucky and to build depth. Unless you’re an excellent evaluator and can do more with less, then it’s always best to have as many picks as you can. We’re also not a team who are a few players away. That’s been shown for the last several decades. Good teams can afford to miss on picks. We can’t, so we need more. It’s especially dumb to trade up 3 picks for a player who would be 4th string at best (Carroo). If a player is an immediate impact player and as close to can’t miss as you can get, then yeah, maybe you throw some picks at it. I’m also not opposed to trading picks for veterans with manageable salaries who will be better or more less questionable than who’s available in the draft at that point.
That’s pretty much what I said, but you elaborated nicely.
I believe the FO targets guys they really like and when it looks like that guy will be gone they feel the need to move up to get him, the draft is a crapshoot it’s apparent they liked Carroo and the jury is still our on him
if we get Barkely and shore up our run blocking i believe the heavens will open for all concerned
Watch how he keeps his head steady as he runs, this guy is gonna be great!
That seems to be the consensus.
we need to do what we have to do to get this guy
Mike however you want to slice it we need a balanced attack, that’s the whole problem in a nutshell, we pass 35 times we run 15 times, that is not balanced and that affects all facets of the team. fix that and other facets will play better. JMO
I agree with that premise but we fall behind way too often due to really poor starts by the offense. We don’t match teams score for score enough. We always have to play catchup and that hurts a balanced attack.
Gase better figure it out in 2018 because we can’t play like this next year.
we have to run block better, have a back that can pick up the 4 to 6 yards up the middle on 1st down, that will bring the LBers up get 8 in the box and the deep passing game will open up and the skies will clear.
yes we need a more balanced attack, but there are factors in the game are causing it to be unbalanced and you’re not acknowledging them. It’s not as simple as we don’t want to run regardless of that one Gase quote you keep bringing up from last year. Defense gets us behind and we have to play catchup, poor execution of good playcalls, poor playcalls. Pre-snap penalties putting us in long yardage.
If you look at Gase’s history in other teams, they’ve been pretty balanced. There is a coaching issue on this team, along with a talent and execution issue. We’re not failing because we don’t like running the ball and we traded Ajayi several weeks ago. It’s not that simple.
We were in that game with New England Sunday, probably more than New England was in the game with us, but they made plays when it counted. We had plenty of opportunities to be equivalent or better on the scoreboard and we just simply didn’t do it. Ajayi wouldn’t have kept 99.9% of those things from happening. Could he have helped? Maybe. You can’t answer that, but you can look at the tape from yesterday and see that the players who were on the field could have and should have done better. We’re losing games for other reasons.
Yes there are factors that are leaving us un balanced, the fact that we can’t run the ball is a major factor, so instead of trying we just pass on all downs, and Mr Bellichick plays to prevent the pass, he doesn’t worry about the run.
It’s like playing basketball, if your playing against a guy who can only dribble with his right hand just over play his right side and there’s nothing he can do.
this is what all teams do they take away your strengths and dare you to beat them with your weaknesses.
if he cant dribble with left overplay his right
Compared to Cutler, Moore, and a fragile Tannehill,…….
When did Tannehill become fragile???? He hurt his knee, elected to not get it surgically repaired and re-injured it. How is that fragile?? The dude was hit and sacked more times than any QB in the history of keeping those stats and bounced up like gumby every hit. Now you are just hating.
Calais Fucking Cambell, i hate that dude now!
Not sure who said that but calling Tannehill fragile is not accurate at all. Look at how many players suffer knee injuries. It’s rampant throughout the league among other injuries.
Rob – You’re making it seem as if our offense was thriving when Ajayi was here. It wasn’t, it was downright awful. We scored 41 points total in the first 4 games, and Ajayi was present and healthy for all of those. We just sucked, and whether Ajayi was here or not, Parker has been a huge disappointment, and Carroo may as well not be on the roster.
The defense scored 7 of them – Jones FR for a TD against TEN. So 34 points in the first 4 games at 8.5 PG.
He ran well against SD,Atl and Ten, 3 wins, he was sufficient against the 2nd jets, NO’s has a great D, the jets were world beaters at home, we are 0-4 without him and i believe we would have won at least 2 of those games if not 3 with him.
not sure why you have turned anti Ajayi after he was traded away?
Do you think that was a smart move by Gase?
Hold on a sec – You responded to my post about Parker and Carroo, and said they suck because we don’t have a balanced attack. This team is not the Miami Ajayis, one player can never be that important. I can assure you I’m overcompensating with my knocking Ajayi because I keep seeing how when he was here, how great our offense was. It wasn’t, and it isn’t w/o either him. We constantly make mistakes, whether it’s the O-line, or the QB, but even when we are moving the ball, we find a way to miss out on points either with penalties or turnovers.
The whole thing with Ajayi is, we may never know how much he was a hindrance to what Gase wanted from him, and how much of a problem he was or wasn’t. He’s gone, and that’s it, so it’s best to just move on rather than lament it. I think Drake can be capable, and he’s not the reason why we don’t rush as often, there are a lot of reasons, like the O-line, the game circumstances (Falling behind), and Gase’s history show he likes to have a balanced attack with 2-3 RB’s, and rushing the ball as much as passing. This year is all screwed up, but he ran the ball plenty last year when he could.
barkely reminds me of ricky williams
With his receiving skills maybe more like LaDainian Tomlinson. The good news is it’s suppose to be a deep and talented RB class.
do you remember last year how tannehill was hitting his marks downfield? i wonder why that was? do you think those 200+ ajayi games had something to do with the defenses gameplanning more resources to stop this dude? and using less resources in other areas exposing the downfield passing game?
Rob,
every FO targets guys they like and since the draft is a crapshoot, wouldn’t it be wiser to have more shots?
YES, not Rob though
Especially when it’s either Jeff Ireland or Mike T-Bomb
if you can and still get your guy, the reason we moved up for carroo is the powers that be thought he would be snatched in front of us
The bottom line is not much has gone right this season. Maybe too much turnover as we’ve added and gone through 25+ new players.
I believe the D has problems as well, I don’t like Burke, i don’t think this D is coached all that well, isn’t he the one who stood behind maualugy?
I see Tankersley playing Zone when the rest of the team is playing man, he did it twice letting cooks and another guy uncovered for big gains,
That’s what Maxwell was doing so maybe it’s some kind of communication issue. Very frustrating.
Yes it is, the coach is not communicating with the player
Or the player is making the mistake. Seems to be the same side when it happens.
So what are we going to do at RB with Williams out (shoulder) and possibly Perry out with a concussion? Drake is our only healthy RB.
De’Veon Smith will be active, and Gray will probably be the FB
We might sign a vet too, depending on how long Williams will be out, and Perry too
Someone will have to be cut for De’Veon Smith. Not that it’s the end of the world or anything, but who?
Wasn’t Hayes put on IR?
Who who Carroo, who who Carroo
You know what’s possible, we put Williams on IR or waive him with an injury settlement. He’s a UFA in 2018 anyway and with 5 games to go will he really be ready to play or want to at this point?
I am the eggman
They are the eggmen
I am the walrus
Goo goo Carroo
Rob, you didn’t answer my question. All you did was rephrase what you said earlier that I responded to. I know why they traded up. We all do. Again I ask, wouldn’t it be wiser to have more shots if the draft is a crapshoot?
in layman’s terms sure, but That depends on who you’re targeting, and who’s to say who your targeting isn’t better than the two you traded down for?
your question is generic and the answer is (not always)
My question is generic because you were making a generic argument
I’m not sure that we ever traded up for a player and it worked??
Dion Jordan, the RB from K state, carroo????
Now you’re getting it! lol
With us it never works, so maybe we should back off and just use the picks we have. 🙂
On the other hand look what philly did with Wentz!
Since 1956, Rashaad Penny is #9 in NCAA career rushing YPA with 7.2.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/rush-yds-per-att-player-career.html
And of the top-10 on this list, Penny’s BMI (5’11”, 220) is FAR superior to all the rest… and he has hands like Jarvis.
And he likes to juggle frog balls 🙂
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Today is the official start of the end of Eli Manning’s time with the Giants.
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Geno Smith starting for the G-Men on Sunday.
That’s a SHOCKER!! If Eli was going to sit, everyone in NY thought it would Davis Webb.
Eli is the GOAT
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McAdoo: “This is not the end of Eli in New York.:
Hello, Jets.
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A day after Adam Gase indicated William Hayes’ season was over, Miami placed him on season-ending injured reserve. Contract expires after this season. Was NFL’s three-best edge rusher against the run, says PFF.
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IMO, Hayes is a MUST re-sign.
I think we will wind up picking somewhere around 8th, after looking at our schedule vs some of the others that are roughly the same current record. If i got a really rare athlete drop to us i might would stay put and draft but id be a lot more inclined to trade back this year if we can find the right partner. Id be looking to pick up a 2nd at least, and i wouldn’t trade unless i got that. If i was trading back to the latter half of the first im going to look for a 2nd and a next years first.
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November 28, 2017 at 4:01 pm
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McAdoo: “This is not the end of Eli in New York.:
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No but it might be close to the end of McAdoo in NY.
The two above images were supposed to be videos.
IMO Eli and Philip Rivers have always been held back by their Teams more so than they are holding the team back.
He isnt an incredible QB but he is and has been a top 10 type guy for most of his career.
NY gains nothing by that move, unless its to keep him from getting hurt so they can trade him. Geno Smith isnt a long term answer in NY and he doesnt need the experience. If anyone needs the starting experience its Webb, so that move is very much for something other than a betterment of the team or its future kind of thing.
It’s bizarre, the media here in NY has been talking about Webb starting for weeks, and then the G-men go and name Geno Smith the starter. What’s the point of doing that?
They’re dumb!
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Eli Manning to the #Jaguars for 2018. Calling it now.
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Jags can free up $19.053M of salary cap space in 2018 by cutting Blake Bortles before his option year, which is guaranteed for injury, becomes fully guaranteed on the 1st day of the 2018 league year (March 14).
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Looks like Bortles will be hitting FA.
The fantasy about Suh demanding a double team every play is just that. A FANTASY. I don’t know what you guys are watching, but it must not be the D line. Yes he gets some double teams. He does not get doubled every play. He get’s single blocked often enough and then sometimes he just runs past the play, or rather the play just runs past him. HE IS NOT WORTH 26 MILLION NEXT YEAR. He was NEVER worth the stupid money they gave him.
I don’t know, I never had any fantasies of Suh getting double teamed. lol
There are a few DTs making that kind of money. He just happens to be paid the highest amount. Lots of players make more than we think they should. Suh is a lot better than you give him credit for.
The Giants just did a really disrespectful thing to Eli. Now Eli will likely love going to Jacksonville with Coughlin.
Matt Miller you’re late to the party. Eli to Jacksonville has been discussed on WFAN for a week or so.
Bye bye Reese and McAdoo. Giants will start over.
They were discussing it before the trade deadline too, thought it was going to happen then
I haven’t seen Jax play
Is Blake Bortles that bad
Didn’t he throw 30+ TDs a couple of years ago
What happened?
He’s the type of QB where stats don’t tell the whole story. He makes mistakes in big spots. I don’t think the JAX org is high on Bortles.
I feel like everyone bashes him
I don’t really watch him
If Gase is really the offensive genius he’s supposed to be, we draft Rosen and this team becomes legit playoff contenders for the next 15 years.
No Way! it will take time for any QB to get in time with rec’s and know the play book, he’ll sit for 2 years, do we really go that route with tannehill in the fold? i doubt it.
Lou hates Tannehill. LOL
we should change his name to Tannelou
Tim is correct. I never liked Tannehill. But I’ve been watching all the quarterbacks that could be available in the next draft and I think Rosen’s ceiling could be the highest of them all. He’s also very intelligent. I doubt it takes him long to learn the playbook and IF Tannehill is still here next year it probably wouldn’t be long before he replaced him.
JMO, of course, but out of all the quarterbacks I’ve watched Rosen is the guy I’ve been most impressed with. I think a lot of people look at his team’s record and discount his play and they look at the way Mayfield plays the game and thinks he’s better but from a pure quarterback talent perspective I think Rosen is the best one of them all.
Again, it’s just my opinion. I’d love to see what he could do with this offense if we really do have that offensive genius. I think he transforms it almost immediately and the defense will need to respect the qb position. He’s definitely got the best deep ball of the prospects.
Tim,
I’d bang the table for Rosen. I know it’s not going to happen but he’s exactly what this team needs.
Other than that, if we’re in that 4-7 area I’d say Barkley is probably the most likely candidate for us to go after.
What ya say?
Do you really like Rosen that much
Because I don’t see it
and I am hearing a lot of poor work ethic rumors
I’ve heard Johnny Manziel type comparisons.
I’ve not really been paying much attention to any of that. The guy who looks like Manziel to me is Mayfield. Between his arrest and his on the filed antics he looks very immature.
The Giants have a PR nightmare on their hands. They have to take the dead cap hit of $12.4M and release him or trade him in the offseason. How can they keep Eli around? They just made him the scapegoat when the entire team is bad. This is not how the Giants typically handle their business and they just fucked up royally.
maybe Eli gets reunited with coughlin??
i would trade bortles for eli
Bortles can be released with no dead cap. JAX would free up $19M to add to their $35M in cap space. Eli to JAX makes sense.
This is why we should trade down from the top 10 to gain extra picks (which I did from #9 to #17) and gained an extra 2 and 3.
1 OG Quenton Nelson, ND
2 CB Josh Jackson, Iowa
2b TE Mark Andrews, OK
3 OLB Lorenzo Carter, GA
3b C/OG Frank Ragnow, ARK
4 TE Mike Gesicki, PSU
4b DE Marcus Davenport, T-SA
6 RB Rashaad Penny, SD St
7 QB Kurt Benkert, VA
7b OG Tony Adams, NCState
Notice I doubled down on 2 TE’s and tripled down on INTERIOR OL. That should fix our OL, if not our coaches really suck. I know it’s firstpick.com so don’t shoot me but would love it.
I am BOWING to you, BB Mike!!!
LUV IT!!!
😀
I couldn’t cut and paste but got an A- on my draft grade, LOL.
Screw that, you get an A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
HELL YEAH!!!
Only change I’d make is Logan Woodside over Kurt Benkert, but that’s being picky over a 7th Rounder.
Ryan Tannehill vs Blake Bortles
Look at the career per game averages… nearly identical. And don’t kill the messenger.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Ryan+Tannehill&player_id1_select=Ryan+Tannehill&player_id1=TannRy00&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Blake+Bortles&player_id2_select=Blake+Bortles&player_id2=BortBl00&idx=players
Point: if we can sign Bortles on the cheap to be a backup to Tannehill, I’d DO IT. Bortles is only 25 years old and still has massive upside. Gase should be able to turn him into something good.
No disrespect but I’m just tired of seeing this team do what I consider is wasting time on free agents rather than putting the effort into the draft they should be to complete the roster and make this team solid from top to bottom.
Maybe it’s asking too much. Maybe this team will never be in the same class as that of the Steelers and Packers when it comes to drafting and developing players but I’d like to think it can be done without filling in holes constantly with 8 to 10 free agents every year; most of whom are just brought in for a year or two because there’s some idea that we’re going to eventually get around to filling those holes thru the draft.
Unfortunately, that never seems to happen. I’d rather bring in a guy like a Woodside or Ferguson as the backup and develop them instead of signing someone else’s discarded players.
Lou, I don’t watch a lot of college football anymore and don’t really do draft research until some time in January. I compile intel from people in the know throughout the combine and then form opinions. I don’t think college stats alone tell the story about prospects because the college game to me is deceiving due to how they play and the level of competition week in and week out. How do you know who’s good when some prospects play for teams that destroy opponents 70-0 because they don’t belong on the field together?
Very true on that last part and that’s one of the other reasons Mayfield AND Rudolph don’t do much for me. Big 12 defenses are pitiful.
BBMike – You not only took a TE, you took TWO!!! A++ 🙂
Wiped away a decade or more of neglect!
Do you think Suh would ever agree to play NT in a 3-4? I don’t.
He’s be a top NT too. Teams game plan too block him. Our other DL with the exception of Wake and his edge rush ability, the rest of our DL is average and young. Our LBs are better than we thought heading into this season and we even have youth for the future with guys like McMillan, Anthony and Allen. The secondary is new as well with a lot of youth. I think we can do a lot of things on defense moving forward and Suh can line up anywhere.
It’s possible he would be, I’m just saying I don’t ever see him agreeing to play the nose. I can see him wanting to play on the left side next to the nose but not on the nose. lol. I can see him volunteer Phillips for that spot.
He does play nose at times. He wouldn’t want to be a 25+ snap NT in a pure 3-4, but every defense uses multiple formations these days due to all the spread.
There’s many a slip ‘twixt the cup and the lip, in other words the draft prospects status change dramatically from here until draft day, some climb some fall
I just hope they all stay away from the gas masks!
I heard Tunsil sent one to Barkley.
This team is probably going nowhere in the next couple years, so why can’t they invest time in a young QB? Plus, lots of rookie QBs come in and play well nowadays. Teams don’t sit their high draft QB picks as much as they used to. I think using that as a reason not to draft one makes absolutely no sense. Unless you are Cleveland you don’t get a legitimate shot at a top 5 pick very often….if the chance is there…take it.
If the QB is in range that the FO/Gase etc. likes, I would draft him too hoping we won’t be drafting this high the next couple of seasons.
At this point with Tannehill coming off of knee surgery and all reports are he’s doing well, he’ll still be 30 before opening day. Nothing wrong with saying okay let’s get back to where we were this time last year but we did draft a young QB who we think makes us better as a team. Now he’s gotta ball. He’s at that point anyway. The team this year bought him an easy 2018 season. Can it be worse than what we’ve seen this year? I don’t think it would have been, we would have been better with him this year. How much I don’t know, but I do believe it would have been pathetic less often. LOL
Tunsil has to clean up his game at the NFL level because the competition is high every week lol, not 4-5 times per season then you destroy your opponents the rest of the games in college. He makes mistakes but I’ve seen him destroy defenders in the run game and basically shutdown the blindside. He has the potential to be really good.
If you’re sitting at #5 and Brown is there do you take him and move Tunsil back to LG if that would give you the best left side of an offensive line in the league. Hypothetically speaking.
I would look for guards and keep him at LT.
BBmike,
Like Josh Jackson in the second. He has looked really good for Iowa.
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November 28, 2017 at 6:55 pm
No disrespect but I’m just tired of seeing this team do what I consider is wasting time on free agents rather than putting the effort into the draft they should be to complete the roster and make this team solid from top to bottom.
Maybe it’s asking too much. Maybe this team will never be in the same class as that of the Steelers and Packers when it comes to drafting and developing players but I’d like to think it can be done without filling in holes constantly with 8 to 10 free agents every year; most of whom are just brought in for a year or two because there’s some idea that we’re going to eventually get around to filling those holes thru the draft.
Unfortunately, that never seems to happen. I’d rather bring in a guy like a Woodside or Ferguson as the backup and develop them instead of signing someone else’s discarded players.
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No disrespect taken, but we have to have an insurance policy in the event Tannehill either takes a step back in his rehab or gets injured again… that’s where Bortles (<– only on the CHEAP) could come in handy, under Gase. It doesn't HAVE to be Bortles, but I think that would be a good move.
I'm ALWAYS happy when you and I concur on a college prospect(!!!)… and his name is Logan Woodside this year. But even if we land him, I view him as a guy who should probably sit and learn for a year being he plays for smallish Toledo.
Unless we draft a QB on day 1 or 2 (it's possible), our backup had better be battle-ready… and I think Matt Moore is far too inconsistent to trust long-term as our QB. JMO
I think we could take a qb day one if we’re high enough in the top ten AND he fits what Gase wants to do but I don’t think we take one just to take one if he’s not a fit. But, like I said above, Rosen is the guy who’s impressed me the most. Watched several games of each and he looks like he fits our scheme the best and if we re-sign Landry can probably make the most of his ability.
In fact, I think Landry probably becomes a different type of player with a quarterback like Rosen back there.
Tim,
You may have seen Tunsil look good, but we’ve seen him look average to poor more often. He’s not moving like I thought he would. I’d like to know if he has some injury issue hampering his movement. It’s his first year at LT and deserves a chance to prove what he is, but he needs to play much better too. Runblocking is fine, but we throw 65-70% of the time. Pass blocking is simply more important in today’s NFL.
He did hurt his leg a month ago or so and has played through it. I see the skill with him though. I didn’t say he was all good right now. But he has the size and athleticism to be good for a long time. Albert said he’s the best young OL he’s ever seen.
Lou
I don’t have a problem drafting a LT, or an OT. I’m not sure if James is back next season, so therefore, we have a need, whether it’s a LT that moves Tunsil either to G or RT, or just another OT that can play either.
If things were different this may very well be his last season but with things being what they are with so much help being needed on the offensive line I think the team is probably stuck holding onto James because they’ve really got no choice. Maybe if we get a better offensive line coach things will change. I don’t know.
He is due to play all 16 next year. He played 16 his rookie year, then was injured and played 7, then a 16 game season, then 8 this year, so he should be good for 16 in 2018. 🙂
a silver lining in every cloud. good way to look at it
Here’s what I want our Offense to look like next year…
QB: Ryan Tannehill,
Case Keenum(<– he's played his way into a starter's salary), Matt Moore OR Blake Bortles (<– only on the cheap and as a backup), and LOGAN WOODSIDERB: Kenyan Drake, Damien Williams, and RASHAAD PENNY (and I'm not gonna bitch if we draft SAQUON BARKLEY!!!)
O-Line: Laremy Tunsil, QUENTON NELSON, FRANK RAGNOW OR BILLY PRICE, FA OR FRANK RAGNOW, ??? (FA, Draft, or Ja'Wuan James)
TE: Anthony Fasano (still need a BLOCKING TE), MIKE GESICKE, MarQueis Grey, FA or Draft
WR: DeVante Parker, Kenny Stills, Jarvis Landry, Jakeem Grant, and Leonte Carroo
I know it’s no excuse for a player who doesn’t seem to be playing well but, honestly, how many players on this team have looked good? And I’m not talking look good in their uniforms. lol
I don’t know if i’m ready to give up on Tunsil at LT just yet. Everybody seems to have played poorly this year for major spells….maybe this is just one of those years where nobody comes away looking good. I have no problem drafting an OL….i’m just saying i’m not sure we know what sort of player Tunsil is just yet.
when you look at the way this season’s been going it’s probably hard to get a handle on anyone on this team as far as how well they played. and Tunsil being in his 2nd season probably would have taken a step forward had things not turned out the way they did but you have to consider he didn’t have a reliable guard next to him and that doesn’t help the situation.
People pissed because Giants benched Eli for Geno but why would you put your franchise qb at risk when your season is finished? I say fuck it and let Geno get killed. lol
They should be playing the QB they drafted, Davis Webb, that’s why. Not so much benching Eli, but who they’re replacing him with
maybe they don’t want to get Webb killed either. lol. Geno’s probably like ‘great, put me in to get me killed. not doing me any favors”.
They said they think Geno gives us the best chance to win. Dumb! They have a PR nightmare right now. My B-I-L who is one of the most loyal Giants fans I know, has missed maybe a half a dozen games since the late 70’s when his Dad bought them and he’s been going ever since – he’s livid. The level of disrespect shown towards Eli was very unlike the Giants. It’s bad.
M13,
Just for you, my man. The chatter up here in Minny is that the Vikes may try to sign both Bridgewater AND Keenum if they can get them both for around $20-25M a year.
Makes sense to me, and I’d do it if I were Rick Spielman. It will be interesting to see where Sam Bradford lands.
amazing to think what he did with the Vikes and what he did in Miami. like two different people. maybe he just needed the experience, I don’t know, but he built a good team there.
^^^
And THANKS for the Vikings chatter! I appreciate it!
I can be a very harsh critic of Tunsil, but it’s only due to my expectations of him becoming a perennial Pro-Bowler and fast. I’m not even CLOSE to giving up on him at LT. He’ll get there.
Keenum has shown he can play and start. If not with the Vikings he’ll have other opportunities. He kept competing and getting better team to team. Good for him. Love to see players overcome doubts.
Geno Smith is also a UFA in 2018. Is he really part of the next page, Giants? LOL