It doesn’t really matter who we are playing, when in reality, we’re just playing against ourselves. Mistakes, penalties, miscommunications, all of the above, is what we’ve been seeing the entire season. We can blame a lot of extenuating circumstances on these problems, Tannehill going down before the season, Lippett going down before the season, Raekwon going down just as the season began, the hurricane postponing our first home game, and rendering us “BYE-less”, Cutler not having enough time to get in sync after “retiring”, but despite all those negative things, it’s on the Head Coach, Adam Gase, to have his team prepared, right from the start of the season, right out of the gate. Well, that’s something young Mr. Gase has a helluva lot of work to do on my fellow Dolphins fans and friends. Last year, through 5 games, we were 1-4 scoring 14.2 points per game. This year we were worse, scoring 12.2 points per game, but miraculously, managed a 3-2 record. Yes, I’m only looking at a small sliver of each season, but every “quarter” of the season counts, and Gase hasn’t managed to get our team off to a good start yet.
Just for comparison, the Indianapolis Colts desperate for a QB after starter Andrew Luck wasn’t responding to treatment and was therefore unable to play, traded for Patriots backup QB Jacoby Brissett on September 2nd, and Brissett came in relief for QB Scott Tolzien in Game 1, and never looked back, keeping the starting job for the rest of the season, and managed to score 97 points in the first 5 games for a 19.4 point average. How is it the Colts can muster a full TD per game better than our team, when Jay Cutler already was familiar with the offense, and had better talent around him on offense? I understand no comparison is perfect, but Adam Gase hasn’t gotten the preparation job done well enough to start the season. He’s learning, this is only his 2nd year as a Head Coach, but I hope he looks long and hard at that, as well as the team in general being extremely undisciplined and sloppy the entire season. We’re averaging 8.5 penalties for 72.7 yards per game, 128 penalties in 15 games for 1090 yards. Not to get OD any more riled up than he already is, but Don Shula had the Dolphins for decades as one of the least penalized teams. To be fair, Shula was also head of the officiating committee for the NFL, which undoubtedly paid dividends in that regard.
More disturbing things. Getting blown out in games. Losing 20-6 to the Jets (Last second TD made it 6 for us), and then 20-0 against the Saints, which in essence has us losing 40-0 save for a last second garbage time TD to Devante Parker A.K.A. The Invisible Man. 40-0 to the Ravens, 45-21 to the Panthers. No question Gase has work to do, and I hope he studies these games where our team looked like it didn’t belong on the same field with our opponent. It wasn’t always necessarily from start to finish in a game, but there were breakdowns that snowballed to eventually take us completely out of contention. Gase is the Head Coach, and he must get a handle on these things. Every team has a bad game, but we have had multiple bad games this season. The Cleveland Browns for instance, have had 1 game this season of a 20 point or more loss, a 31-7 loss to the Bengals. For all intents and purposes, we had 4.
I didn’t write this to tear up Adam Gase, but the truth is, he deserves criticism, and I have hope he will be able to correct these shortcomings. Getting the O-line corrected has to be a high priority, and adding a dangerous pass catching TE should be as well. We’ll also need to add another RB to our stable to go along with Kenyan Drake and possibly Damien Williams. Beyond that, there a few places where an upgrade of depth would be welcome, such as the D-line, specifically DE, where we’re a little long in the tooth, and maybe an upgrade at LB as well. I would like it if we draft a young QB to groom, and compete for a job, but it doesn’t have to be in RD 1or RD2, especially at the expense of a top OL and TE.
If the FO can do their job well, then the pressure to succeed will surely be on Head Coach Adam Gase’s shoulders, because the excuses are evaporating quickly. Assuming Ryan Tannehill is healthy, and is able to get back close to the way he was playing before his injury, and the O-line is fixed, and we added some better depth at other positions, there’s no good reason for us to get off to a poor start like we have the past 2 seasons. Gase will likely have some tough work to do to choose his staff, unless he decides he wants to stand pat with the staff, which I honestly hope isn’t the case.
I know this article just looks like a negative piece on our head Coach, but it’s essentially just a notice that I’m holding the man accountable. Besides our record, there are some disturbing things like player development. Leonte Carroo III for example. Why make such an effort to acquire a player, and not find even the smallest opportunity to see what he can do. I’d play Carroo instead of Parker, and I’d give Grant a lot more touches instead of Stills. We know what Stills can do, I’d like to see more of Grant. I know some will say Carroo doesn’t practice well or whatever, well find the right freaking buttons to press and GET HIM TO PRACTICE WELL! We made a big investment, find a way to motivate the kid. Grant is a little playmaker, get him more touches. He has 13 to date, 3 rushes, 10 receptions, LET HIM PLAY! Carroo? 7 receptions for 69 yards. Last year, Carroo had 3 receptions for 29 yards and 1 TD. So in 2 seasons, Carroo has 10 receptions for 98 yards and 1 TD. It sure seemed like they really wanted this kid, squandering multiple picks to get him, and this is what we get to show for it? FIX THAT!
The 2018 offseason will be a huge one for both the front office of GM Chris Grier, Executive VP of Football Operations Mike Tannenbaum, and Head Coach Adam Gase. 10-6 in ’16 was nice, but 6-10 or 7-9 in ’17 not so much. Gase will get a pass this season from owner Steve Ross due to losing starting QB Ryan Tannehill just before the season. He gets some leeway from me as well, but I still find the discipline, or lack thereof, excessive penalties, blowout losses and lack of player development problematic, so if Adam Gase has a list of areas in need of improvement, I hope those are on the list, and somewhere near the top.
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MikeE,
It wasn’t interesting enough to cut and paste. Lol
Sure it was!
Little big man!!!!!!!!!!
He had a great season, and a great postseason as well
D says:
December 27, 2017 at 2:18 pm
What Mando said in that article, while maybe painted with very bleak brushstrokes, isnt wrong. We definitely have to avoid continuing not to address QB, despite having strong feelings Tanny will b ready, and he will be healthy again, and he will progress, etc etc. We have to be prepared for any number of what if’s we could run into. There are several other reasons to take a QB but they venture too close to the border of a war zone to get into, but suffice to say its better for the team in all regards that we make a play at a QB that we have really strong inclinations could lead out team in the future, and near future if need be.
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I agree
Who?
I don’t think any QB coming out this year is plug and play!
FA QB?
I’m all for upgrading EVERY position!!!
They don’t necessarily have to be plug and play
You can keep tannehill in ‘18 and draft a QB
Then make a decision in ‘19 as to who is your guy going forward
Wyoming,
From most of the comments around here, didn’t Tannehill win the Most Improved Player award in a year he never played? Lol
Randy
In all seriousness, is it wrong to look at what Tannehill did in 2016 in his last 7 games, and feel optimistic that if he plays that well, we can be a very competitive team?
Sorry, 8 games
All I want to know is who everyone thinks we are going to bring in to upgrade the QB position?
Crickets?????????????
I can’t tell you that, I don’t trust what you’ll do with that info. lol
I don’t know. What I mean is bringing in a QB that not only be groomed, but even provide a measure of competition to push Tannehill. Maybe Thorson, Ferguson, Mayfield, one of these guys, or someone else. We need young talent at the QB position, don’t you think?
I’m not huge fan of predicting the success of an draft prospects in the nfl
I have more misses there than any other position
But I don’t think you need to replace tannehill, more like prepare to if necessary for 2019
And that might necessitate a high pick in ‘18
That will cost you an early draft pick Piggy!
Who you going to give up for a QB? OL, LB, TE?
(Piggy shrugs)
I don’t know…can’t we just ask for more draft picks…
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I do agree Mike E!
And believe me I’ve looked for someone to push Tanny!
I just don’t see one?
I want everyone to have competition for their spot so they don’t just fluff it off!
I would defer to you, you watch a shit ton of college ball, so of the guys I mentioned, or someone else, are any available 3rd RD or later that could be that guy to groom and push Tannehill next season?
Last 8 games of 2016 . . .
Ryan Tannehill completed 161 of 233 attempts for 1724 yards, 13 TD’s – 5 INT’s, and a QB rating of 100.15. That’s very good QB play, not top 5, but top 10 play
This year, it would have been good enough for #6, just for kicks
MikeE,
I don’t think what he did was all that impressive. First, was it all him, or was it other players and the easiest schedule in the league? Second, was it really anything all that great? After all, he was producing at pretty much the same rate he had every other year. He probably would have had 25 TDs or less if he’d played the whole season. Moore actually increased our scoring average…even with the pathetic playoff game. Lastly, I believe this team appeared to play better because they started taking the ball out of tannehill’s hands and didn’t expect him to make plays. We relied on our running game. The passing game was de emphasized. The numbers prove that. We threw over 100 fewer passes last year than we did in 2015. He has also failed over and over in big downs/situations. Sure, there has been a play here or there but not nearly enough in 6 years.
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Ultimately, to me, I think you have your best chance to win championships if you have a top tier QB. Tannehill is not that, and I doubt he ever will be. If you have a middling QB, you have to have a really good defense or great running game or both, and that’s hard to build. Why not continue to try to keep finding that guy? I know it’s not simple to find a top 5 QB, but when you have a guy who’s somewhere between 10-20, why not try to get better at the position? Getting THAT guy is the easiest way to compete for championships.
It’s always the whole team Randy, and never not the whole team, which is why I chose the last 8 games, where we finally got on track. The whole team was awful for the first 5 games. If you think it’s silly to just take those last 8 games, I’m cool with that, I thought it was a long enough stretch of consistent play to count it. I mean SF and everyone else is all gaga over Jimmy G and his 54 games this season, and Tanny did that for 8 straight games, so there’s that. 🙂
Randy is wrong That is another proven fact. Carry-on
I think it’s a little ridiculous to look at a draft pick and expect him to outproduce a 6 year vet right out of the gate. Plus, haven’t lots of you been saying for Tannehill’s whole career that he should be given another year to develop? Why would you not give a rookie that same leeway? Nobody is the player they will ultimately be in their rookie year. Using that as a reason not to draft a kid is just crazy thinking. Nobody knows what sort of player any of these QBs will be. Nobody.
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This team is nowhere near ready to compete in the playoffs, so why does a rookie QB have to be smoking good right out of the gate? He will have several years to develop with the whole team.
First of all, the vet is Tannehill who sucks, right? 2nd of all, he doesn’t have to outperform him, just play well enough to push him a little. Tannehill has yet to face any competition period his entire career in MIA, so if this kid played well, and gave some semblance of competition, maybe it raises his play a little.
Rock,
How dare you! Dilly dilly!
Dolphins name Kenny Stills their community service award winner.
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Did he get the knee pad award for being the most disrespectful to the armed forces?
MikeE,
I’m getting to the point of being indifferent about this whole team! Lol
Honestly, me too man. I think sports in general. The Mets future is dark, the Dolphins too, and the only other team I even have a slight interest now is the Knicks, and while they are exciting to watch (at home), they are a shitshow on the road. 15-7 HOME, 2-12 AWAY, and as you can see, they will be spending a lot of time on the road, as they have played 22 home, 14 away.
Besides the fact that Randy is wrong I do agree it is time to draft another quarterback And not in the fifth sixth or seventh round
Dilly Dilly to Mike E’s article 😎. I just went back and read it.
LOL – Thanks for reading it!
It took a long time to compile all those stats, and to write it in general. I hope people read it.
MikeE,
What I was saying is that NOT drafting a QB because you don’t think he can outperform your current vet QB is silly. I say take a shot because it’s very unlikely a rookie is gonna outperform a 6 year vet right away. And, Tannehill doesn’t suck. He’s just average. That’s kinda the point. The position can be improved. Why not try?
Ah, I gotcha – Yeah, I hear that. I think he can be better than average if he keeps playing like he finished off the season, so that’s my hope, but yes, we need to bring in young talent at QB for sure.
The whole idea of a player pushing another player is nonsense If a guy is good enough to come in and out perform a player then he replaces that player there is no pushing Does anyone really believe that a professional quarterback would say oh gosh I better try harder they have a guy behind me in the lineup. NO
Ron Wolfs motto is draft a qb every year in the 2nd round, it seemed to work for GB
too early to make draft projections, players will fall and rise by April
That’s true, but you can still target players. For the most part, team scouts and personnel guys have round assignments on players that are vastly different than the mocks that are circulating on many sources.
I can tell you the result of the 2018 season after FA and the draft, if we dont get a 225lbs short rb that can run downhill you can forget about 2018 and Gase, can’t run….can’t win
Is reading the article required before posting?
ok, be back in a little while.
There were lots of ALL CAPS and exclamation marks! I was scared.
(btw, had you ended with “Adam Gase, so sad” I might have accused you of stylistic theft) lol
No, but the writer would certainly appreciate it if you read it at some point, and had something to say, either negative or positive, agreement or disagreement on any or all points made, or attempted to be made. 😉
um. I liked the use of decimal points. 🙂
However, the overall sentiment that Gase should not escape criticism is spot on. Great coaches know good practices are prerequisite to good games. Ensuring good practices is a fundamental to coaching. Gase may be suffering the “sophomore jinx” that so many players stumble over.
Thanks Rhino – It could be a sophomore jinx, and it also could be a lack of preparation. We should be firing out of the gate, not stumbling.
I think ‘sophomore jinx’ often leads to lack of preparation. First year for athletes, and perhaps ‘young’ coaches, fear of failure can push them to tremendous success. Second year rolls around and they believe what they read, and forget what got them there. As a result, the thing that pushed them to excel is ‘forgotten’ and the results dwindle. I think its a reason why back to back championships in any sport are really difficult.
I knew Cowboys would regress because Prescott and Elliot were prime for sophomore jinx.
Dont really think you can call either of their years a sophomore jinx. The entire offense has sputtered, and mostly due to a severe drop off by their once vaunted OL. They have been without several pieces of it through the whole year, and even when they were together they definitely were not playing as well as they had been. I think Dak and Zeke both have played pretty equivalent to how they did before, given those circumstances and also not being able to hit a rythem playing together because of the suspensions, etc. I definaely dont think Dak fits your description of jynx, because he has been carrying the team even more this year because he hasn’t has a compliment to his game.
We have 2 good linebacker prospects this evening
Josey Jewell, ILB/OLB, Iowa
Height: 6-2. Weight: 230.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2018): 3-4.
12/16/17: Jewell has 125 tackles with 4.5 sacks, 13.5 tackles for a loss, one forced fumble, two interceptions and 11 passes batted thus far in 2017. He’s missed some time with injuries as well.
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018ILB.php#ixzz52VFBsMZl
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018ILB.php#mqPQcUPIb6iQZd3x.99
Malik Jefferson*, ILB, Texas
Height: 6-3. Weight: 238.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2018): 2-3.
12/16/17: Jefferson has 110 tackles with 10 tackles for a loss and four sacks in 2017. He has played hard for Texas and is having his best season. Jefferson isn’t great in pass coverage or at taking on blocks in the run game. He is at his best being a pursuit linebacker when running free.
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018ILB.php#ixzz52VFnAPq2
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018ILB.php#mqPQcUPIb6iQZd3x.99
I like Roquan Smith and Oren Burks the best for us, i think the way we use our LB’s and shift them in and out of the different “traditional” OLB/ILB spots we need ones with versatility and i think these two can both cover and can take on the responsibilities of any of those spots on any given play.
Smith and Lots of letters from USC (Uchenna Nwosu, OLB, USC )
there is one coming off an injury that has me intrigued
Shaun Dion Hamilton, ILB, Alabama
and OLB / DE
Harold Landry, OLB/DE, Boston College
Height: 6-3. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.67.
Projected Round (2018): 1-2.
12/16/17: In 2017, the senior has 38 tackles with 8.5 tackles for a loss, five sacks and two passes broken up. He missed a few games with an ankle injury late in the year. Multiple team sources say they see Landry as a late first- or early second-round pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OLB.php#ixzz52VGjTbxN
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OLB.php#UrFRo2ftg1ZQID45.99
Marcell Frazier, DE, Missouri
Height: 6-5. Weight: 260.
Projected 40 Time: 4.74.
Projected Round (2018): 2-3.
12/16/17: Frazier has 36 tackles with seven sacks and 13.5 tackles for a loss this season. He had a slow start to the year before playing better midway through the year and closing out the season well. Sources say that Frazier’s development has been hurt by Missouri losing star defensive line coach Craig Kuligowski to Miami.
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018DE.php#ixzz52VIDoPv6
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018DE.php#gQIQp1GqV3ajeCZI.99
They were a good pair at Missou, might as well pair them back up in the NFL lol. I like him, even though im not sure we should go DE that early given our other needs.
Sean Welsh, C/G, Iowa
Height: 6-3. Weight: 295.
Projected 40 Time: 5.08.
Projected Round (2018): 3-4.
12/9/17: Iowa has consistently produced NFL talent, and Welsh is the latest Hawkeye who has impressed evaluators enough to receive professional consideration. Welsh has some starts at right tackle during his collegiate career and has logged time at center, but mostly he has started at guard.
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018C.php#ixzz52VIrc2sG
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018C.php#pxr7ivAbxjs8ultS.99
Someone that sems to be flying a little underr the radar right now, that i like alot is Wynn of UGA. He can play any of the OL spots, but primarily id be looking to add him as a backup OC, and possible competition to start at one of the OG spots right off. I like Ragnow and Bozeman as well and they also have position flexibility.
I’ve seen Wynn from 2nd to UFA?
I rally haven’t watched him any?
Wyo
As per my earlier question – Who do you like for us at QB that might be available after the 2nd RD?
None of them that would be an upgrade!
Luke Falk, QB, Washington State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2018): 3-4.
12/21/17: Falk has completed 67 percent of his passes this season for 3,593 yards with 30 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Some team sources are intrigued with Falk as they like his pocket-passing potential and accuracy.
Riley Ferguson, QB, Memphis
Height: 6-4. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.83.
Projected Round (2018): 3-5.
12/21/17: In 2017, Ferguson has completed 63 percent of his passes for 3,971 yards with 36 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He connected on 23-of-38 passes for 398 yards with six touchdowns and an interception to lead Memphis to a high-scoring, three-point win over UCLA. Memphis’ game against Central Florida in Week 2 was canceled. Sources say that Ferguson is skinny and needs to fill out his frame for the NFL, but he has some arm talent.
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php#ixzz52VP3kgjA
ocalarob says:
December 27, 2017 at 3:07 pm
Ron Wolfs motto is draft a qb every year in the 2nd round, it seemed to work for GB
Has it? I do not recall them trading away a whole lot of talented quarterbacks. I have basically had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers as long as we can remember. Unless I am wrong and they have recouped a whole bunch of draft picks via trade, Then they have basically wasted draft picks on players who never played every year
They also had Matt Flynn, who they got good value in a trade for, but I don’t think he was a 2nd RD pick.
He was a 7th RD pick, but he hit it big in FA, and then was traded from the Seahawks to the Raiders for a couple of picks.
Hey Mike, thanks for sharing this, and for all you do around here! I’m fine with admitting that Gase is accountable for the teams’ performance, and I agree with that, but I don’t agree with a couple of things you said:
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I don’t think the players come with buttons Mike, and that’s why coaching is hard. These guys have to be self motivated, and sometimes you don’t know until after you acquire a guy if that’s the case. I’m often decrying fan speak because it’s oversimplified, there’s just no button to push to MAKE a guy do anything. You can only put them in the best situation to succeed but in the end, every single person on this earth is responsible for their action/inaction. If there’s something specific you think Gase did that set this guy up for failure, that’s what I would lend creedence too, but simply “make him practice better” isn’t a constructive criticism imho.
I sense and get your frustration, and you’re right, Gase IS accountable, I just don’t think he’s accountable for finding magic buttons and magically avoiding injuries and natural disasters. If any team not named the Patriots had lost it’s bye, and it’s starting QB before the season even began, they’d be hurting too, and in the end, this team DOES have 6 wins and the Browns have Zero, and only ONE in 2 seasons. I think that’s a bad comparison.
Anyway, just some fodder for conversation, not trying to start an argument (which I know I’ve been accused of many times, sometimes for good reason. 🙂 )
No question, but some guys are really good at finding the right methods to motivate a player, and it seems like he’s been unable to do that with Carroo. It will just burn me up if Carroo is cut, and then all of a sudden is in some other teams starting lineup and producing. Obviously that’s moving way ahead, but if that does happen, you have to blame the coaches for not reaching him.
Oh, and you’re welcome! Thanks for thanking. lol
Wyo – I remember a few of you guys liking Ferguson and also Thorson maybe? When you say upgrade, do you mean step in right now and be better than Tannehill, or even some time down the line?
Jahn
Just out of curiosity, what do you think about taking a player like Carroo, who let’s say isn’t practicing well, and instead of keeping him down and on the bench, or even inactive, giving him substantial playing time, especially now since we’re out of the playoffs to see how he responds? I get the earning your playing time thing, but we made the investment, why not see if it can reap benefits? Just a thought
Oh well, forget that, Carroo was just put on IR, along with DT Vincent Taylor. Another wasted year for Carroo. Oh how that irks me!
He’s pretty much a bad pick now
Lmao @ Mike E mando tweet from last blog!
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As much as I don’t want to, I agree with you Mike E. (Yes I read the article)
Phins had some shitty circumstances this year but they seem disorganized and very undisciplined. That’s coaching…..
What’s odd is, I don’t really recall any big game management screw ups, like not calling a time out, or calling a time out at the wrong time, or 12 men on the field, it’s just too many penalties, and too much miscommunication, which in essence, is like you said, disorganization.
Clayton Thorson*, QB, Northwestern
Height: 6-4. Weight: 225.
According to sources, Thorson is likely to return for his senior year. WalterFootball.com had heard early in the fall that Thorson would go back unless he graded out as a first-rounder by the NFL Draft Advisory. Scouts who were through Northwestern told me that they were impressed with what they saw from Thorson on tape and in practice. Thorson has shown that he has pro potential in terms of his skill set. He can throw the deep out with a fastball that can be fit into tight windows. Thorson also has quality mechanics with a quick delivery. Scouts say that he has a strong arm, is smart, athletic, and has improved as a junior.
Luke Falk, QB, Washington State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 205.
In speaking with scouts, they say that Falk has an above-average arm. While his accuracy is his best strength, he does have issues seeing coverage and will throw into it. The same sources also label Falk as a thin-framed player who will need to add weight for the NFL. Additionally, Falk lacks escapability and mobility, but sources compared him to Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins.
Riley Ferguson, QB, Memphis
Height: 6-4. Weight: 210.
Sources say that Ferguson is skinny and needs to fill out his frame for the NFL, but he has some arm talent.
Ferguson needs to improve his field vision for the NFL. He consistently locks onto his primary read and stares him down. When Ferguson rolls out of the pocket, his field vision improves and he looks beyond his first read. It isn’t surprising that Ferguson needs more development considering his limited playing experience, and he was wise to return for his senior year to develop his pocket passing before going pro.
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php#ixzz52Vca6mTb
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php#jQVk2OvlDpsOVldJ.99
FWIW I love Thorson. He has all the physical skills to be an NFL QB. He single handedly carried a pretty mediocre Northwestern team all season. I love him in the 2nd round if he comes out.
I am not sold on Luke Falk. Unlike Thorson he has polish but not the greatest physical skill set. I do like Ferguson as a mid round pick. He has good skills but I think he can be mistake prone at the next level.
Thanks Wyo!
Mike, I haven’t read the article yet but I’m sure it’s fantastic! 🙂
That hurts. lol
It’s not really that good, just my thoughts on stuff.
Mike E. says:
December 27, 2017 at 9:57 am
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How many major knee surgeries did Tannehill have? Five? lol
He had one surgery, and it was no more major than any other run of the mill ACL tear.
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I think you’re missing Armando’s points, which seems to parallel everything I’ve been saying about Tannehill as of late.
1) It’s not about the one-time SURGERY Tannehill had, it’s about having sustained two major INJURIES to the same knee and in a relatively short amount of time (6 months apart). That means he experienced major trauma to his knee not once, but twice. Just because he finally had corrective surgery does NOT take away from the fact that the knee sustained damage twice.
2) This also means that it will be close to 2 YEARS (21 months) since Tannehill took a meaningful snap under Center when he’s our starter next year in September… that’s a mighty long time in football terms.
3) Armando is lobbying that we draft a QB NOW, instead of waiting yet another year to groom one. That makes perfect sense… why wait until ’19, ’20, or ’21 to draft one? We keep making that same mistake, again and again over the years. The sooner we get someone in the fold, the better off we’ll be.
4) THIS ISN’T ABOUT ‘SCREW TANNEHILL’, this is about an insurance policy for the short-term and the long-term. Most feel Matt Moore isn’t the answer (and rightfully so), and there’s a reason Gase went out and got rusty, fresh off of shoulder surgery Cutler and started him over Moore… the trust isn’t there with Moore. It’s time to move on from Moore and his salary.
5) “Run of the mill ACL tear”??? I didn’t realize that this is the year 2050! Friendly reminder: Adrian Peterson is the exception, NOT the rule. ACL injuries are no longer ‘death sentences’, but they are still very serious injuries that cannot be taken so lightly. It’s totally unrealistic to think that Tannehill is going to come back at 100% like AP, but it’s also totally unrealistic to think that he’ll be a mere shadow of himself. For what it’s worth, I think he’ll be fine… but what I think and what his knee will actually do are two separate matters. Only time shall reveal.
I’m 100% with Armando on this matter and he didn’t throw Tannehill under the bus AT ALL. We’ve got insurance at most positions, but not at the QB position… that must change! Cutler wasn’t the answer, Moore wasn’t the answer, and we already know Doughty isn’t the answer. Time to find an answer, and the sooner the better. Otherwise, if and when Tannehill goes down, ’19 will be another wasted season as this one has been.
And last but not least… NICE WRITE, Mike E! Gase is culpable for MUCH that has transpired this season, and I absolutely agree with ya. Good research, sound thought, and excellent conclusion. That doesn’t mean Gase sucks (of course), he just needs to grow as a HC… and he WILL. Learn from mistakes and don’t repeat them… that’s all he needs to do. That, and Tannebaum and Grier had better fix this O-Line of ours! Again, good job! 🙂
It’s all speculation. The first attempt at treatment didn’t work. The second injury was just the treatment not holding up. Not some new higher level of destruction. Kind of like a wound not taking with a bandaid so you have to stitch it. From everything I’ve heard is the surgery went well and RT is already moving around fine and even doing some throwing. It’s not like he’s on crutches. We see him on the sidelines every week. Let’s just see how it goes in 2018. I’m sure he’ll continue to wear the brace that he was wearing.
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#Iowa CB Josh Jackson finishes 2017 ranked 1st in FBS in INTs (8) and passes defended (27). I currently have him mocked No. 20 to the #Seahawks
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JJ is like a hybrid between his former teammate Desmond King and WJ3. He should be the first CB taken in April. If not, some GM is doing drugs.
JJ is definitely on my man crush list.
Tim,
Exactly. All anyone can do is wait and see with Tannehill in ’18 amid rampant speculation… and that’s all the more reason to draft a QB this April. The thing is, I don’t want to draft one early (many other needs that must be addressed early).
It’s hard to make anything from anyone a little later in the draft
Maybe be you hit with a Russell Wilson or Tom Brady but odds aren’t good
Therein lies the conundrum: I want to have my cake and eat it, too! Absolutely agreed, Pig.
Pigs can easy whatever they want
So the dream stays alive…for pigs
I could see us drafting a QB with more upside than Doughty.
As for many other needs that must be addressed early, there are only so many picks. What’s early, 1-2, maybe 3rd?
I don’t think we have many needs to be better. Every team can always get better at a lot of positions. We need specific upgrades where we have issues so other parts can be more effective.
At this point drafting a an with more upside than doughty seems really likely
Doughty is our #4
Yeah but what I meant was a guy with an NFL arm not having to overcome limitations but improve his game. Doughty will never have an NFL arm.
I am not opposed to drafting a QB in 18 but I don’t think we use our top pick for one. I think there is good depth to the QB draft class this year and you will have decent talent available in the later rounds. I don’t see us without trading up to be in a position to land Rosen, Darnold or Allen. Those are the top 3 guys imo. If for some strange reason when we pick I would be okay with taking one of them but that means we are going into a rebuild
We roll with RT for the next couple of years and depending on how that looks is when I think we would target a new QB. Unless one falls who we had high on our board. Nothing wrong with that. It’s not a guard or LB or pass rusher cannot be found anywhere else. LOL
Good point Mike E
He’s not calling timeouts to help the opposing offense and stuff like Philbin did. It just seems too relaxed? Which is strange cause Gase is the guy firing people in middle of season…..just don’t get it.
I think this was a learning season for Gase and how things will be done differently in the offseason. This was a whacky season in a lot of ways. It just didn’t get going. It happens. it’s not the end of any promise moving forward.
I forced a qb with the 1st pick expecting it to be a bad draft and I kind of like this draft
The clemson pass rusher is a steal
12: R1P12
QB BAKER MAYFIELD
OKLAHOMA
44: R2P12
DE CLELIN FERRELL
CLEMSON
76: R3P12
C FRANK RAGNOW
ARKANSAS
114: R4P12
TE TROY FUMAGALLI
WISCONSIN
132: R4P30
LB DAVIN BELLAMY
GEORGIA
190: R6P12
RB ITO SMITH
SOUTHERN MISS
224: R7P5
G TIMON PARRIS
STONY BROOK
231: R7P12
G ISAIAH WYNN
GEORGIA
I am not sure yet if Clelin Ferrell will come out this year, but he has a verrry high ceiling.
He’s one of the best pass rushers available
Maybe the best for those of you (pointing at you) who don’t like Chubb or Key for various reasons
I thought you said you forced a QB????/
Malik is “injured” and not playing tonight.
I don’t think I’d take Mayfield 1st rd or the earlier part of it. He will have to overcome size limitations. How many Brees sized QBs are there in the NFL? I can’t think of anyone his size or smaller.
Keenum?
Russel Wilson is another
I think it’s a mistake to overlook a great passer just based on physical limitations
Good one. Duh! It’s rare though and Wilson went 3rd and Brees 2nd.
I don’t really have a problem with Gase’ playcalling or his demeanor
Frankly he seems like a smarter football guy than anyone we’ve had for a while
I also think at the end of the day the Ajayi trade appears to have worked out
I have 2 major problems with Gase
It seems like we don’t utilize players well
A good example of this would be getting Drake more involved when Ajayi was here or getting grant involved early this season
And the big problem is the team lacks discipline
The penalties just killed a lot of drives
I think Gase knows the way they’ve been doing things when it comes to fundamentals and discipline isn’t working. The team might be in for a grinder of a camp next year. LOL
We all focus on talent with FA and the draft but some times getting back to executing basic football goes along way too. I see a lot of teams look unprepared week to week, some are just better than others.
The Flying Pig says:
December 27, 2017 at 9:20 pm
…Doughty is our #4
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I think of Doughty as our #2… #2 as in bowel movement.
We have a lot of 2s in this team
You need them. LOL
Tim Knight says:
December 27, 2017 at 9:31 pm
Keenum?
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*M13 sees the Keenum ‘Bat-signal’*
😆
I’d be very wary of Baker Mayfield’s personality. Plus his size his is a big problem.
He can run the shit out the ball though, considering he is such a good passer.
Sometimes guys are only great college players.
That might be the case with him like Young or Tebow.
Manziel.
So Piggy, that is a basically perfect draft you have above if you sub in an OG like Nelson or Price for the QB.
No! I want Mayfield…lol
Tim for the record Brees was the first overall pick in the 2nd round
I remember watching that draft and hoping the Dolphins would take him and being pissed they didn’. He really should have been a first
Well now yeah. LOL
I did say I don’t think I’d take Mayfield 1st rd or the earlier part of it. 😉
I really like Ohio State Edge rusher Sam Hubbard.
The Mizzu QB might be an interesting prospect?
The CBA and the officials have watered down NFL football. The best way to defeat it is to find physical players and outmatch the opponent. Tricks, bells and whistles is not the way. The officials can mess with that, not players outperforming others.
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I can’t really consider it 2 knee injuries, when in reality, the injury was never healed in the 1st place. It’s like getting stabbed in the back, and not taking the knife out until it really causes a lot of damage. he never repaired the torn ligament, he tried to rehab it by strengthening the muscles around it, which obviously didn’t work. They finally took the knife out of his back, but it was the same knife, he wasn’t stabbed twice. Just like any other knee surgery, I’m really not too concerned about it. I’m more concerned he gets back to playing as well as he did the last 8 games than I am about his knee holding up. The good thing IMO is, other than a little competition, I think being out this long has to have made Tannehill to get back and play well, which should serve him well. I think it will give him a spark, but if we draft a QB early, or even late that can compete with him, I’m totally down with that as well.
The key is that it was one surgical repair. It wasn’t that were operating multiple times or on multiple parts of the knee
Mayfield was a great college QB but I don’t think his talent projects well for the next level. He is on the short side and unlike Wilson and Brees he doesn’t have their arm strength, athleticism and personality. I watched a lot of him and he is fun to watch but I wouldn’t draft him early
Mike E. nice article as usghe… yes there was a lot of adversity we had to overcome, and we proved we are not deep enough to overcome it all.. largest disappointment/hurdle was for sure Tannehill going down in PS. That is a large disappointment to both the RT fan brigade and the Tannehaters as one more year has passed and we still dont know if 1) he actually did Get It as he said and the Offense was easier for him
2) he-really didn’t get it and proved it may be time to move on
3) he really is an enigma much like Cutler , where there is a Good RT and a Bad RT and ya never know what one will show up..
I have never been a fan of Cutler and was very upset we signed him , although there were not many/any other options available .. it also sadly spoke volumes to our back up QB position… in most instances a teams starter QB goes down , they make a trade for someone who can be a competent replacement or ya run with backup qb and he gets valuable education in yer system .. our cap situation was tough to bring anyone via trade, and FO showed their cards in regards to Moore , so it is time to upgrade to someone who could step in in case of injury , to either carry the torch or learn for the future .. i do not think there are any QBs in draft that would relegate RT to back up .. if we draft one and he beats out RT then FANTASTIC , otherwise YES get someone to learn and groom …
I think D may be proud of my Length LOL…
Undisciplined penalties were a KILLER , some games we had more Penalty yards than rushing or even passing Yds , that is in excusable, especially on offense .. that i put on coaching and it needs to be fixed
I was hoping that Bills game we would see some Asiata, some Caroo and maybe some Fales to see if they can play , we now know we will not see Caroo which sucks .. , i would still like to see the other 2 ….
i think if Landry resigns Caroo will likely be gone , if we lose Landry, Caroo gets another shot as he is supposedly more like Landry than he is to any if the other starters…
OLine i also see as biggest Needs Improvement area … hoping Asiata is a starter next year out of Proving he can play as opposed to “oh well others suck worse” .. also need to draft a starter , i dunno how comfy I’d be with more than 1 rookie and/or Asiata starting , like to see a good mid age to young FA brought in , and then yes some depth would be nice as well…
TE , major need …
DEF ? I dunno new DC ? New Scheme ? Names on roster seem okay, especially when ya add in the guys on IR and a full year from MacDonald .. some of their issues this year seemed to be coaching , or playing out of their comfort zone .. and of course some LIGHTS OUT games only to tire out , due to inept performance by Offense.. i dont think Def roster needs a major overhaul , but sure lets get better, younger and faster…
Just my .02
Here s to next year being better and a Happy New Year to all.
Also Congrats to Stanger on his rout of Mike in the Mob Fantasy Finals
I had Joe Philbin give the FF squad a pep talk before the weekend of games started. That’s the last time I do that!
PS we also need a lot more turnovers by our Defence, had a few memorable ones but on the while not enough volume
I really want to see Jakeem Grant have a great career so other players can say “I really look up to him”.
Wow what a great article Mike E.
That was a compendium of our troubles and Gase’s inadequate solutions.
GREAT WORK, Mike E!! Concerning penalties & Don Shula: –I’ve watched replays of parts of many games during the Don Shula era. While many opine that the “Don of Miami’s” players “got away with plenty of penalties because of Shula’s influence,” I tend to believe that’s mostly NOT TRUE. Fact is better coaching and discipline equals fewer penalties. AND THAT’s the truth!! –This is NOT a case of the Fins getting away with murder, as in the case of the “Cheatriots.” And it’s just another reason why SHULA IS THE GREATEST HEAD COACH IN NFL HISTORY!!!
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Mike, I liked your takes on Gase. I definitely am losing faith with this guy, and I was hoping against hope that Ross had FINALLY picked the right guy for once. I should have known better! Gase is the product of one of the greatest QB’s of all time – – Peyton Manning!! Since the Manning days, Gase has not done a whole lot that deserves high praise. IN FACT, his frequent arguments with Jarvis Landry make me wonder if Landry will stay with the Dolphins AT ANY PRICE!!!!! – – The loss of Landry would, in my view, be the final nail in Gase’s coffin. I now believe that 2018 may be Gase’s last year as Miami’s head coach.
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High of 73 today in Tampa Bay. And the Lightning host Montreal tonight. Life is good.
Thanks Toba, Naples and OD
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There I got you a QB
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 12: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming (B+)
Round 2 Pick 12: Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia (A-)
Round 3 Pick 12: Frank Ragnow, C/OG, Arkansas (A)
Round 4 Pick 12: Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn State (A)
Round 4 Pick 31: KC McDermott, OG, Miami (FL) (A)
Round 6 Pick 12: Dimitri Flowers, FB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 7 Pick 5: Chikwe Obasih, DE, Wisconsin (A-)
Round 7 Pick 12: Andrew Wingard, FS, Wyoming (A)
Tanny did play well the last 8 games of 2016 season. But he was playing against so so competition. I think he’s our QB for 2018 regardless of who we draft. It could be an Alex Smith type situation. I personally will try and draft a top notch RB and oline to get the run game going. Draft a QB later in the draft maybe round 3-5 to groom.
Steelers, Bills, Jets, Chargers, Rams, Niners, Ravens and Cardinals (With David Johnson).
Not a bunch of pushovers really, although we got demolished by the Ravens. Harbaugh and the Ravens seem to have our number pretty good.
bills, jets, chargers, rams and niners all had issues in 2016. The steelers win was big but they crushed us in the playoffs.
Wyo
Do you think Gase wants a throwback FB, or maybe more like a TE who can also go to the backfield as a lead blocker, like MarQueis Gray?
nice article mike!
Thanks Boulder!
While I agree that we need to shore up our OL.
I also think we need to stop the bleeding in the middle of our Defense!
If Gase is smart he’ll get a new more experience DC with some credentials and he’ll also get a better OC that can focus on the rush attack and oline play. I really think we need two new coordinators.
I don’t think the issues are with the coordinators. However I do think Gase needs to crack the whip more on playing more disciplined.
For me the defense needs more playing time together, we had a lot of new guys and rooks who have not played together. On offense we need upgrades on the OL, new blood at TE and probably another RB who can spell Drake. I think we’ll bring Williams back because Gase and the coaches likes him, he’s a very good receiver and is a core STs guy. Perry seems to be just a STs guy who can give you some carries if you need it but not much more.
No Mike E I want a FRICKEN true pass catching full back!
I’m tired of watching TE’s try to lead block for a loss of 1
But I don’t want a run of the mill hammer!
Flowers is a pass catching machine!!!!!!!
OK, that’s cool, but is that what Gase/Grier/Mr. T wants? I’d love a guy like Tom Rathman here.
There are no more true FBs. College doesn’t produce them.
You should have watched the Iowa vs BC game last night
You know what I mean. Most FBs these days are big RBs who can block some or TE/H-backs. You don’t see those classic FBs anymore. When teams need a FB they sometimes use LBs and DL these days.
Omar Kelly @OmarKelly 1h1 hour ago
So we’ve got verified evidence that Dolphins QB Ryan Tannehill, who missed this season with a ACL injury to his left knee, is running 4 months after having the knee repaired.
Omar Kelly @OmarKelly 1h1 hour ago
Dolphins QB Ryan Tannehill is out here running in a straight line.
James Walker @JamesWalkerNFL Dec 27
The Dolphins put DT Vincent Taylor and WR Leonte Carroo on IR, the team announced.
Not sure what their injuries are but with only one game left I guess this gives other guys a chance to play the finale.
Carroo had emergency surgery for something Christmas day
Oh okay. I know Taylor got hurt in the Chiefs game, I think a knee injury.
A late round QB
Kurt Benkert fits the mold for a developmental QB that would have to be on the 53. He has NFL tools but like many young QBs will need time to develop. I’ve seen him listed as a possible 4th rd pick and we have two of those so maybe that’s where we draft a QB.
I think Riley Ferguson and Clayton Thorson are similarly talented and should be around 4th RD picks
As long as they have NFL size, arm and some mobility. I could see us drafting a QB this year. Just like TE I think it’s time.
Just so everyone doesn’t forget the QB carousel!
Omar Kelly @OmarKelly 1h1 hour ago
As an update to previous news, Dolphins QB Ryan Tannehill, who was jogging on his surgically repaired knee earlier today, has re-injured it and will require an additional surgery.
Troublemaker!!! LOL
Who is your Tanny replacement D?
Id lean towards Luke Faulk, id settle for Ferguson, Grier, or Thorson.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 12: Minkah Fitzpatrick, CB/FS, Alabama (A+)
Round 2 Pick 12: Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia (A-)
Round 3 Pick 12: Frank Ragnow, C/OG, Arkansas (A)
Round 4 Pick 12: Luke Falk, QB, Washington State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 31: Troy Fumagalli, TE, Wisconsin (A)
Round 6 Pick 12: Austin Corbett, OG, Nevada (A)
Round 7 Pick 5: Dimitri Flowers, FB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon (A)
I thought Smith was a 1st rd prospect?
I think he will be by the time the draft happens, he should be pretty good at the combine. I think though right now he is floating between a mid first to a mid second.
This one is more to my liking, i like Faulk as a QB prospect for us. I dont want to tke a pure developmental guy, i want a guy who has potential to take over this coming year if need be or in next few if things go well with Tanny. The days of being optimistic with that position should be over. I don’t feel pessimism is the ticket wither, but a good dose of realisim and the fact that we really don’t know what to make of the future with Tanny or even his ability to stay healthy anymore should be prudent, and make us make a play for at least Garopolo kind of potential.
Why is is that RT’s knee injury is so daunting yet many players including QBs have come back after suffering one including Brady?
Its not just the knee, its the knee, the 30 years old, the contract restructure that’s needed for cap reasons, the small sample size of improvements and then a more than a year layoff, there is a lot of reasons we cant be certain, of how long we will have him, or even who we actually have.
I’ve heard Thorson was returning for his senior year?
He is.
Can scratch him off the list then. I think Will Grier is a really underrated prospect right now. Talk about a guy with all the tools to be a pro QB, the only real hindrance is his number of snaps as a starting QB, but he has a very strong arm, great mobility, pretty good pocket presence and decision making. He has a good bit of learning to do and i wouldnt think we could count on him as a next year emergency replacement, but he could develop into a really good one, definitely has starter potential.
The thing going against roquan smith is not all defenses fit him. 3-4 pretty much is a no fit, 4-3 that like to stretch the field sideline to sideline and play aggressive from the LB position would be his ideal. So just by way of not being that perfect guy for everyone he probably will get pushed down some, i still think someone in the 1st round will want him though.
He’s not very big but he can run. Seems like a 4-3 LB.
He’s like a slightly upgraded version of Deion Jones, who was my favorite LB for us the year he came out.
D, 30 years old is prime for a QB, not old. I don’t think his contract is the issue for the team that it is for the fans. His layoff is being overly exaggerated. It was week 14 in December of 2016. So it’s basically a year which would be no different than a player injuring the knee early in a season and then being back for the next season.
Heading into 2018 he is the projected starter. It seems that some of you just have trouble accepting that. 😉
Im not having trouble accepting that, you seem to have trouble accepting that it might not happen, and that could be completely out of our control. The simple fact im stating is we do need to invest in a QB prospect that can push Tanny, since he hasnt had that yet, we do need someone who can potentially take over in the case of an oh shit we just lost our QB for the rest of the year, and we do need someone that can be ready to take over if/when the time comes. Its not about having problems accepting him as our starter, i fully accept that, its about the future and what is the smartest football move you can make. Hell even the patriots draft guys early with a HOF QB on their roster, its smart, to be prepared, plain and simple.
First off I was kind of busting your balls. That was what the wink was for. Also I already said we should draft a QB this year – see up the board with Wyo and Mike. But I don’t have the concerns about RT that you do. If he re-injures the knee than that’s a different story. Not sure any rookie QB we draft will step right in and save the season though. It might just be the end of RT and another lost season. Then QB becomes a major target in the following offseason.
However, I would love to see us a land a QB in the draft wherever that could hold down the fort and keep things going. It’s not easy to find though.
I dont really like his overall game, and i wouldnt take him unless he was a value selection, kinda the way i felt about Kelly last year, but id take a shot on Baker Mayfield with Gase as his mentor/coach probably with one of the 4th round selections, no brainer in the 5th with a trade up even. He has gamer in him, which is a hard if not impossible thing to cultivate, you just have to wonder is he Johnny Manziel 2.0? On top of those things he actually is more raw than some of the other guys we have mentioned, so it wont be an immediate return on investment, i just think there might be a little extra ya get from him than you might some of the others.
Tim. id swear Tanny was your Son by the way you protect him, even when he isnt being attacked. Do you have posters of him in your man cave with his last name crossed out and yours written just below it?
I think you overstate that as well. Many fans here who are not big fans of RT go over the top when discussing him and tend to focus on negative scenarios. I also defend other players from that sort of stuff like Bobby McCain who had a good season this year when many of you wrote him off and wanted to replace him in the offseason. Young players do improve. Many players do rebound from ACL injuries. Solid QBs are hard to find and when draft talk starts up everyone in the draft is always better. Yet we see that’s not the case much of the time.
RT was 6th in comp. pct., 8th in YPA and 12th in QB rating in 2016 but it’s like it never happened. He doesn’t have to be my son to point that out. Mike and Ken say some of the same stuff I do and none of us say he’s elite, but we feel the negative perception about him isn’t accurate. We’ll see what happens in 2018.
Looks like Grier is staying too
He was a senior last year though, do they get an additional year of eligibility for the year they transfer and have to sit out?
I don’t think the sitting year counts?
Drew Lock out of Missouri is a an arm talent, but the first half of the year this past year he looked awful. He did settle down and looked at least workable as a prospect, but i dunno how i feel about that first half just being needing to mature as a QB, or if that’s maybe the inconsistency that will always be in him. He does have all the tools you need for a QB, so there is something to work with.
Wyoming id like to be in love with Josh Allen, but i just think, unlike what people will say about him and his small school stature being relevant to Wentz, i just dont see the parallels, and i think his draft status at least currently is overblown, making him an potential overdraft instead of a value pick. Id probably be cool with taking him in the second round, but i wouldnt use a first on him, and right now it looks as if someone might.
Has a great arm and quick release! Can make all the NFL throws.
Will pull some really dumb shit when he is pressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am curious to see what he can do with NFL talent around him!
He could be Steve young or Mat Moore?
D
It figures Tannehill would reinjure that knee that was devastated twice, and had multiple surgeries it took to just keep his knee attached to his leg
I hear they are going to have to amputate, possibly all the way to the hip, it might even affect his trowing arm by time they get done with all the repairs.
Could his throwing be any worse though?
You are right, maybe it will improve it. The Dr’s as still beffudled by the fact that his legs only move backwards (as evidenced by his pocket movement) and his hand loses all strength when his arm is drawn back in a passing motion. They just cant figure out how all of these musculature malformations are possible in one human being
We can make him, better, stronger, faster . . .
LOL @ this thread.
Tim im not upset, if thats how the last post read to you, im just explaining myself. Im not anti Tanny, i havent been, though i have had my times when i lost faith in him ever developing. Ideally i hope he last at least another two seasons, i just want to be prepared if it doesnt happen. I posted the other day i felt like whatever QB we took, they aren’t coming in and blowing the doors off, i know that if Tanny does go down again and we do have to emergency insert a rookie, we are going to pay for it and Its going to be a rough season. Im still drafting one though, and drafting one that if i have to ride it out with them im also looking at potential in the making, something that gives me alternatives and even more preparation. I’m just not up for leaving that in the hands of a 6-7th round slection that might be ready to be a backup in 4-5 years. The investment needs to e made, and made at the level of importance that it should be to the team, and right now it should be weighed as heavily as most others.
Simply put, this isnt about Tanny, this is about the position and the uncertainty of it right now. If you feel certain of it, i can see why you have your perspective, but im not there with that feeling, and so you can quote stats about Tanny all day, its not about that for me, the decision to draft a QB is not about knowing anything will happen, its about knowing there will be a day that something will, or wither it will just be a day that he retires, or whatever, there will be an end and being ready for it, no matter when it comes is the key. We were not ready for Marino to leave, despite knowing years and years in advance it was coming and we have paid for it as a franchise by not being there, being ready to move on.
Do you feel like there are any QB’s that will be available after RD 1 for us that fit what you’re looking for?
Yep, though none where it isnt going to be a bad year if we have to go right to them. I think Luke Faulk has starter written all over him. I dont know if you remember but last year when i was picking potential QB prospects, i had him as one of my mid round guy then, another year of maturity and not noticeable drop off and i feel even better about him now.
There are several id put in the category of “i would really hope we don’t have to start them in the next couple of years, but i do feel they will get there as starter material. To be honest, we also might have to draft a guy for the next couple of year every year to be sure we got our guy, not like a high pick every time but maybe a 2nd this year, a 5th or 6th the next, back to a high pick if the 2nd isnt working out, etc, we need to be ready regardless. Perfect scenario we get a few years to figure it out, worst case, we find out the hard way if we have a winner or loser and have to repeat the process again. It is what it is, but one method has us having options, the other has us scrambling to pull a guy out of retirement to be our QB for the year.
I agree with that. It’s time to look at QB in the draft to develop. A guy who at least has NFL tools. Not another Doughty who doesn’t have the arm.
Was the coconut really tweeting about RT17 running? Cause he’s been doing that for awhile now…. they showed him out doing the stairs in the stadium before games.
With or without his knee attached?
I hear his leg is detachable now and the can shoot a football out of it like a bazooka. Maybe he can finally make a deep pass with that enhancement.
The other thing im seeing is a pattern where several teams are coming to the point of needing to address QB, so the pickings are going to be slim. The college system also isn’t turning out Pro style QB’s anymore because the spread offenses are the easiest way to maximize talent at the college level so you are losing the type QB most NFL systems need to compete. Either the NFL is going to have to really adapt their game to compensate for the talent available (something they have been very rigid against doing) or its going to be harder and harder to get the guy you want/need because the line to get him will be so damn long it will take decades to get through it.
I think the NFL has adapted to the spread stuff college is running. Not everything but more so than say 10 years ago. Personally I am not a fan of it but nothing I can do about it.
I think the Phins are at a point where we take BPA in the 1st rd regardless of position. Then start to see if we can match need to value in other rounds. But if we’re picking around #12 where we are now just take the best player on your board. If that’s a QB so be it.
We can also look to plug some areas of need in FA without targeting top guys. That can help you stick with BPA in the draft. Sometimes teams are forced to reach for need if they still haven’t addressed an obvious void. But you don’t want to have to do that.
Long time no see but I’d draft Lamar Jackson or Baker in the first if available. Tannehill’s injury is a huge question mark and this draft class has some serious quality at QB, especially early. I doubt either would still be available, but if they were, it’s a no brainer to me. To expect another early OL pick to do more to help us win seems…not very smart.
Hey New Age, good to see you. Hope all is well and Happy Holidays!!!
I think Mayfield will be there when we pick 1st rd and hope we pass. I’m not sold that he’ll be a good pro. Jackson will likely be gone though.
Thanks, Tim. It’s been a busy year and probably more of the same at least until May. I’m not 100% on Baker either but he’s consistently produced no matter who he’s had to play with. I like his drive to win and chip which reminds me of Cousins.
I have a feeling he’ll have to overcome his physical limitations at the next level. He’s probably worth a shot in the 2nd round just in case he can be another Brees or Wilson. But taking him 1st rd could end up being a wasted pick. That said not like we’ve never done that before. LOL
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I think the following teams need a QB, and there are a couple that may not invest early
Jets, Browns, Jags, Chargers, Broncos, Redskins, Giants, Saints and Cards
Hey New Age – Happy Holidays and Happy New Year to you!
Thanks, Mike!
Happy Holidays to the whole gang! Hopefully, this is the year I finally go to a game with everyone.