The Wedge Scouting Report: Chase Winovich, Edge, Michigan

Man do I love riding my bike across the known universe!


Nothing like a carbon suffocating atmosphere in your tentacles as you run over inferior lifeforms.

And I never need to stop for gas!  This bike has a nonstop motor, kind of like Chase Winovich, the Michigan Defensive End.


The Pros:  At 6-3, 253 pounds, Winovich is being projected at both 3-4 Outside Linebacker and 4-3 Defensive End.  A lot of scouts are noticing Winovich when they are reviewing his teammate Rashan Gary.  And Winovich stands out as a playmaker even though he doesn’t have the natural talent of Gary.

That’s because of his most notable trait – a non stop motor.  Winovich just keeps coming and coming.

But it’s not just effort, it’s technique too.  That is what has helped this overachiever make his way on to many big boards.

At Michigan Winovich used those skills to produce 18.5 sacks, 164 tackles and 43 tackles for a loss over the last three years.  He was consistently productive.


The Cons:  I think it would be cool to draft a guy who looks like Thor and Winovich can bring the hammer, but what he is not is the most naturally talented edge player in this draft which is deep with players who can make up your front 7.

Hight football IQ and a high motor makes up a great story but scouts have noted a lack of lateral mobility that may prevent him from being a premier pass rusher in this league.


The Alien Dust:  I’ve seen him mocked in the first round, usually late first round, but more likely than not, Winovich will be a Day 2 pick.

He will come in to the league more polished than a lot of his colleagues and it would not be odd to see him out up good numbers a rookie.

If the Dolphins don’t take an edge guy early in the draft, Winovich can be a steal on day 2 and can help the Dolphins rebuild defensive line that needs a makeover.


Winovich’s nonstop motor is not to be overlooked – just like this bike I plan to use to roll over Tom Brady!


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638 Responses to The Wedge Scouting Report: Chase Winovich, Edge, Michigan

  1. Tim Knight says:

    So from what I saw watching the Pats defense with special attention and it wasn’t difficult being the Rams punted all night. It’s just as advertised. 4-3, 3-4, 3-3, 2-3, 1-4, 4-2… pick em’. They stack the LOS often with 6 or more. They mix it up all game. Then rely on players doing their jobs. But they don’t rely on 2-3 defenders to carry them. They rely on their best defenders to play well and the others to do their jobs. So what you get is everyone of them making a play here and there. A new hero every week or so. It’s crazy how they’ve done this year after year with multiple changes in personnel with the exception of we all know who. But it really is amazing. Flores has been there for 15 years of it. That’s gotta rub off. He learned from the best HC in the modern era. Who also coached in the 80’s and that’s where he made his name as an innovative DC.

    Welcome coach Flores, wish you all the best. Please be the best. LOL

  2. Tim Knight says:

    Naples, the USA was built on crime and greed just as much as hard work, grit and doing it the right way. Humans need to stop pretending utopia is real. Common ground is a better goal. Civil behavior would be a nice start. Too many obstacles in life for utopia. Some say that’s what heaven is. It would be nice. If we get there. LOL

  3. Rockphin says:


    • naplesfan2010 says:

      Now that is the true evolutionary leap forward.
      If we can install that, we will be in the play-offs on a regular basis.

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        And a Fairbanks Bullough defense is the necessary and natural counterpoint.
        Choke off the route lanes and disrupt the LOS vertically.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yep… pay attention to it. Much to your chagrin, this will be a revival of the Parcells/Belichick criteria. Both Grier and Flores come from the same cloth. The only difference is adjusting to how to win in today’s game. Same principles though. It’s about finding unselfish gamers. Being physical is paramount.

  4. naplesfan2010 says:

    Erhardt Perkins forces man cover to reveal soft zones and forces zone to forfeit cushions.
    So you get Edelman for MVP.

  5. naplesfan2010 says:

    Anybody think Simms and Brady have their level of success without Erhardt Perkins?

  6. son of a son of a shula says:

    Welcome aboard Coach Flores
    I watched his introduction and presser, I’m excited to see where he can take this team.

  7. Tim Knight says:

    We have speed and athleticism on our team. We need a jolt of physical and nasty.

  8. Welcome to Miami Coach Flores! May the Flo be with You!

  9. Some folks bemoan low scoring games, but great defense wins championships.

    Even Miami capped off their undefeated season with a low scoring game, 14-7, and the 7 was scored by washingtons special teams on Gary yepremians ill fated attempt to mimic Griese.

    Bring defense to Miami Mr Flores! I’ll take a low scoring sb win

  10. Randy says:

    Winning is always the ultimate goal. I get that. But, I think Flores’ biggest challenge coming in here is to develop a culture of discipline and accountability. Coaches talk about it all the time, but they don’t do it. There were signs with Gase that he wasn’t getting it done. Hopefully, we’ll see a different arc with Flores. He’s another first time HC, so there will be growing pains. We’ll see how Flores develops and grows.

  11. Tim Knight says:

    If Chad O’Shea joins Flores as expected to be the OC, that’s two visions of how the Pats do things on both sides of the ball. As we all know, finding the QB they believe in is a must.

    This team has to get tougher regardless. I think Grier and Flores will be more Sparano than Philbin/Gase. Let’s hope Flores has more success. RIP Tony – good man first and foremost.

  12. This is going to piss people off, but I’m beginning to think Flores will get a year with RT, Fins go heavy OL and DL in the draft.
    Then Miami trades up for a potential franchise QB in 2020.
    I agree with Lou and said the same last night, no way Flores is coming here and tanking a season.
    He has a successful career going so far, why take a chance on ruining his head coaching career by doing something phenomenally stupid?

    Flores is intelligent, and a winner, expect more of that, forget the tank for tua idea, it’s not happening imo
    Flores can’t risk his career on stupid intentional losing schemes, nor would he want to.
    What would a guy like Flores want?
    A chance to be HC, sure, a promotion, yep, a chance to show he’s as good or better than bellicheat? Maybe

    • Tim Knight says:

      I’m pretty sure there was a wink wink Flores to Belichick moment saying now I get to compete against the master, coach.

      It’s crazy, now it’s Belichick, Gase and Flores in the division with McDemott as the NFC outsider. LOL

      There’s the one constant you have to beat. Call him a cheater all you want. He still out-coaches everyone most of the time.

  13. wyoming85 says:

    Why can’t we all just get along?
    Because they won’r stay out of my wallet or my business!

  14. We can’t expect to get along when the White House is extremely divisive. I knew it would be like this years ago, the writing was on the wall Mexico was never going to pay for, and were never directly asked to pay, by the self proclaimed greatest deal maker in the world.
    When we get a president that represents ALL Americans, like he or she is sworn to do, things will naturally improve.

  15. I have some friends that still support Trump, but we don’t waste our time arguing over it.
    They only believe what he says, and nothing else, and I happen to prefer the government not do My thinking for Me.
    So we do what we always did before the election, nothing changed,

    friends are friends, and the president doesn’t get to pick and choose our friends, or think for Me, I never needed him before, or now either.
    Nor do We consume our time in never ending arguments that aren’t any fun for anyone, and change nothing except friends in the end

  16. Btw, I was taking with Bookman last night, great guy, and he was telling Me how great the cheats are, and the conspiracy theories as he was referring to weren’t Washington related, but patriots cheating related.
    It came as I was mentioning the snow plow game, tuck rule game, and even the bogus holding call when Gurley got a big first down run in the fourth that had them in great position. The bogus false start call.
    The ridiculous booth reviews, mostly when the cheats failed to convert on third down.

    The Beatles song is playing in my head, “I get by with a little help from My friends”

  17. And of course the Rams shouldn’t have even been there, the saints got screwed royally.

    It’s entirely possible the saints could be champions ,
    if they weren’t cheated out of the opportunity by a LA fan masquerading as an NFL referee on the PI no call

  18. Tim Knight says:

    David, our white house and congress along with every other elected official, and the public is divided. It’s been that way for decades. Trump ripped open the hornets nest. The left started it by pissing on it. The right has an issue with mortality/religion. The new left is anti-American – what their goal is boggles the mind. Religion has no place in a free democratic/republic. It’s based on faith, not law. Faith is a wonder, law is based on real.

    You want an example, Rome.

    • I can only speak from personal experience, and people in this area, but trump has divided people around me, more than any other president ever. I also see the country very divide, more so except during the Vietnam war.
      He is the most divisive, arrogant , hateful, and deceitful person we ever had for president, some like asshole, some are offended, You know how it goes

      But what’s the point of debating someone that thrives on chaos , indictments, investigations, deceits, etc.
      we had a party last weekend, and didn’t debate politics,
      And had a blast. The prez didn’t get to spoil our fun 😎

      • Btw, It seems to be a trend around here over the last year of just ignoring him, or at the least not talk about him 24/7.
        Besides, I have bills to pay and not retired yet, lol.
        Although Canopy growth and Apha,almost has Me there,, they are killing it!
        that’s a full time job still, and I spend my leisure time fishing or watching the cheats steal Super Bowls, lol

    • The thing that gets me is the people who think that either party has the answers. Both parties thrive on chaos, or crisis, in order to get elected and re-elected. Usually a crisis they create or a crisis they blame the other party for, saying “we are the ones who can solve this crisis for you”.

      And people believe them. Even though they never solve a crisis people keep believing them. It’s just like being a conservative or a liberal. Doesn’t matter. Like Naples said on the last page, “why can’t we all just get along”.

  19. $APHA up 82 percent on the month,
    Canopy or $CGC 76 percent the last month

  20. I Hope, to be one of those Marijuana Millionaires, lol. Wth
    but it’s not up to Me, it’s up to the investors.
    I bought a bunch of them when they were cheap, and just riding them out, because I feel like they are excellent, far above average long term holds.
    my percent gained is ridiculously high already, but I feel like the best is yet to come

    • pheloniusphish says:

      You can’t be a socialist and a millionaire, same as you can’t be a socialist and an American. Both cases are diametrically opposed.

      • when you’re a millionaire you can call yourself anything you want. lol

      • Do yourself a favor and don’t worry about me Phel. I realize you have been gaslighted to fear damn near everything, fictional or not. But I only fear what I choose to fear, government doesn’t get to do My thinking for Me.

        Call Me a member of the not scared shitless of The non existent bogeyman under the bed party.
        I don’t want to live My live in fear and deceit

  21. ElephantRider says:

    Finally got around to watching Flores’ interviews and whatnot. Hes definitely not arrogant. Hes definitely not a certain position guru. I like him. LOL

    • If there’s one way in which I’d like to see him emulate Billy it’s in his pressers. Don’t be giving too much away and keep the answers short and sweet. He doesn’t need to be having long conversations about what they want to do on offense or defense or give specific answers about players. Just tell them there’s a game to get ready for and be done.

  22. David,
    I don’t think we’re ever going to get a president who represents all Americans because (1) I think it’s too late for that. We’ve gone too far down the road and the damage that has been done is irreversible. (2) everyone wants something different.

    People for the wall vs people against the wall is just one example. There’s plenty more and when people all want different things and you’ve got elected representatives trying to satisfy everyone or be all things to all people it doesn’t work.

    And both sides think they’re right. You’ve got conservatives who think their way is the best way and it’s the ONLY way. And you’ve got liberals who think the same. There’s no middle ground as far as any of them are concerned. It’s either right or wrong. There’s no in between.

    I don’t ever remember a time in this country where people have been so divided on things as they are now and Trump isn’t the problem; he’s a symptom of the problem. This is what happens when you’ve got 250 million people who all want something different and everyone wants it for themselves without regards to how it will effect anyone else.

    As a nation, we’ve lost our way. We used to stand for something and I’m not sure what we stand for anymore. And, I don’t think we’re ever going to get it back either.

    • I agree with most everything except the line Trump isn’t the problem. I’m convinced he is the elephant in the hallway, the lions share of the problem.
      When a new leader comes into ANY group of people, and disrespects them, harasses them, calls hem names, and doesn’t represent their interests, He or She IS the problem.

      imagine if Flores started talking about the knee bending sons of bitches hat wouldn’t stand. And treated minority players like lesser humans.
      Imagine if Flores lied constantly, hired a corrupt staff of criminals, and tweeted stupid shit 24/7 that had nothing to do with rebuilding the team, only singling out players that are fuckIng up, and they need to do better or I’ll fire their ass.

      He wouldn’t last long, he would just divide the team doing things like that. Thankfully Flores is far smarter , and able to manage people that respect Him and want to play for Him.
      I hope he turns us into a great defensive team, Go Flores!

  23. MF,
    Ya know what? I’m going to be 55 years old this month. I figure I’ve got about 15 good years left and that’s it. Sure, people hit 70 and still have their health but you get what I mean.

    I’ve enjoyed my life to this point. Was able to do a lot of things; some more meaningful than others. Like fostering children for a good number of years. Now, I’m at a point in my life where I’m more interested in what I can do for others than what I can do for myself. I work to earn money so I can pay my bills and the rest I give away to those less fortunate because I’ve lived my life. I was fortunate enough to do some of the things I wanted to do.

    So, if the “Deep State” owns my ass at this point I can really care less. I’m doing what I want. If they want to spend time worrying about me then they’re wasting their time.

  24. Mike E. says:

    I think what Bookman was saying, and I completely agree with is, is the Patriots deserve a lot of credit. I know a lot of people think they get every call, and the league is rigged so that they can win, but I think that’s ridiculous. The owners wouldn’t stand for it, and if Goodell was Kraft’s puppet as some believe, the other owners would make sure to get him out.

    The truth is, everything they do is under a microscope for those that believe it’s rigged, so simple calls that other teams get too are just part of the conspiracy. If it helps you sleep at night to think the NFL is rigged for the Patriots, then believe what you like. I agree with Bookman that they are just a better prepared, better coached team, with a HC and QB that are the best at what they do, and have been for over a decade. Nothing chnges there except the roster minutely from year to year. While the Bills, Jets and Dolphins keep firing coaches every 3 years, the Patriots have the same coach and roster philosophy for over a decade now, and that’s the difference.

    Both Bookman and I, and I’m sure many others feel this way. I’m not telling anyone to feel differently, but I admit it gets tiring of seeing people take credit away from what the Patriots have accomplished by stating that they cheated to get there. There’s something to having a HC and a QB who have been through these situations time and time again that no other team can compete with.

    • I hate Brady and everything about him but if there’s no quarterback in the NFL who puts the time and effort into his training that Brady does and it’s not even close. If you were to draft a qb in the 3rd or 4th with the right tools and who decided he wanted to be the best and put in that type of effort he would probably excel as well and have a better career than a lot off first rd picks.

      I don’t think there’s anyone as driven to be the best as that guy is. So, I agree that what you’ve got there is a situation where you have everyone better prepared and on the same page with one another and zero tolerance for screwing off. Guys celebrate on big plays but the showboating isn’t there either because, like Flores says, it’s not about the individual. That’s probably the biggest difference.

      • Mike E. says:

        ^ exactly Lou – He just wants it so badly, he trains relentlessly, prepares relentlessly, and his skill and experience combined with Belichick finding the right players for what he wants to do is tough to beat.

      • everyone’s on the same page. they all want one thing. to win championships. I read before the Super Bowl how one Pats player was talking about not being selected to the Pro Bowl and Brady said “we’re not here to go to the fucking Pro Bowl, we’re here to win Super Bowls”.

        Says it all. If you can get 53 guys all buying in on that same idea you’ve got something and I’m hoping that’s exactly what Flores does.

  25. That’s what I want the #1 message from Flores to the players to be:

    “If you’re here to go to the Pro Bowl then we’re not your team. We’re here to win Super Bowls”

  26. stangerx says:

    Flores is 37. Who would have thought that three years after hiring the boy wonder Gase that we’d replace with someone even younger.

    • Mike E. says:

      He’s younger than Gase now, but just a bit older than Gase was when he was first hired, maybe a month or so

      • stangerx says:

        Might be one of the first signs of feeling old for Gase. That and now being on his 2nd HC coach. That and now having Sean McVay around as the boy genius title holder.

  27. mf13ss says:

  28. Mike E. says:

    Joe Schad

    Brian Flores gets a five-year guaranteed deal from Miami Dolphins, as Adam Schefter said. A sign of how badly they wanted Flores and that they’re in this long-term plan together.

  29. mf13ss says:

    Mike E,

    There’s a lot of noise out there that Star Wars: Episode IX’s title will drop today. What’s more, many think the teaser trailer is coming today. We’ll see!

    Question: if the title drop and possibly the teaser trailer come out today, why not have done it during the Super Bowl, just 2 days ago??? Ya know Disney needn’t worry about spending $4-5M on a Super Bowl commercial… that’s play money to them.

    • Mike E. says:

      Good point. I guess the main reason is they don’t have to advertise during the SB, people are going to see it no matter what, but that would have been a good time for it nonetheless

  30. Jahndoh30 says:

    I like that he got a 5 year guaranteed deal. Means the patience brigade rules the partisan blogosphere FINALLY!


    (lol…don’t bother researching us, we’ve covered our tracks better then the deep state-amateurs!)

    😛 (toothless)

  31. mf13ss says:

    Today marks the beginning of the #YearOfThePig in the Chinese New Year. I don’t know if this is good for our resident Pig, or bad. I hear the feasting has begun!

    • Mike E. says:

      Discusses roster building, the desire to run multiple fronts, both 3-4 and 4-3.

      • Ty Mike, good stuff. I think I’m going to like Flores, I already like his work ethics and attitude

      • Mike E. says:

        Yes, me too. I’d like to like him 5 years from now too, that’s the biggest thing. They all seem to say the right things at the start, but it’s a long journey to get us successful and to be a contending team, a consistently contending team in 5 years

  32. explains that pigs are a symbol of wealth and their chubby faces and big ears denote good fortune. The website also lauds the pig’s “beautiful personality.” Recent years of the pig include 1935, 1947, 1959, 1971, 1983, 1995 and 2007.

    “Pigs might not stand out in a crowd. But they are very realistic,” the website adds, explaining some characteristics associated with people born in those years. “Others may be all talk and no action. Pigs are the opposite.”

  33. Rockphin says:

    I was born in the year of the Cock. Go figure.

  34. Mike E. says:

    I was born year of the wabbit

  35. mf13ss says:

    I was born in the year of the dragon.

  36. ocalarob says:

    i was born in the year of……..DIRT!

  37. D says:

    I think there might be something to this whole chinese zodiac thing… i had long relationships with two tigers and one rooster. Tiger is consider to beone of the two worst possible match and rooster one of the two best and it sure as shit worked out that way lol.

  38. D says:

    D says:
    February 5, 2019 at 11:30 am

    Apparently im a water ox.

  39. ocalarob says:

    the patience brigade is very patient, hell they’ve been patient for 45 years!

  40. D says:

    mf13ss says:
    February 5, 2019 at 11:15 am

    So the last time it was the #YearOfThePig, we went 1-15…great! LOL
    See…. if he buys a jersey that player gets cut or fizzles out, and if its his year our dolphins die! Someone needs to roast that guy, slowly and slather him in BBQ. Then we win the Superbowl! I said that and in my the bonfire scene from lord of the flies was being imagined!

  41. I’m the year of the rat, lmao
    Most people think of rats in negative ways, lol I sure don’t like em, but the rat in the Chinese Zodiac is considered the best and most respected one of all.
    Or it means You live near Disney, lol. I’ll go with B

  42. ocalarob says:

    Eisenhower was president when i was born, you know…. the dude on the dime.

  43. Rockphin says:

    Well, I think was can safely bet that Flores is NOT a 1 year place holder until one of the Harbaughs comes available. 5 years guaranteed salary says he is here to stay a while.

  44. ocalarob says:

    another forest lake tee time 1:45pm, i’ll catch you later

  45. mf13ss says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    February 5, 2019 at 11:36 am
    I had to look since I forgot, it actually was New Years 1976, to New Years 77.

    But, That’s the most powerful dragon of all, You have the spirit of Bruce Lee inside You
    I love Bruce Lee, but I tend to think I have the spirit of famed bounty hunter Jango Fett inside me (flamethrower = fire, jetpack = fly like the dragon Smog). 😉

    It’s no wonder BBMike and I make such a good team!

    Problem: Jango got decapitated by Mace Windu and Smog got killed by a mere Hobbit. Go figure, LOL 😀

  46. Rockphin says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    February 5, 2019 at 11:42 am
    in other words, do you think this changes the way they are approaching this offseason compared to if Gase were still around? do you think they know Flores or do you think they asked around about him if they didn’t to find out about him?


    I think it depends on the player in question. Fitzpatrick is working on his craft, even now I would guess. James? Probably sitting at home eating cheetos.

  47. The Flying Pig says:

    Every year is the year of the pig guys

  48. Rockphin says:

    Problem: Jango got decapitated by Mace Windu and Smog got killed by a mere Hobbit. Go figure, LOL 😀

    But Smog wasn’t killed by a hobbit. He was killed by Bard the Bowman.

  49. mf13ss says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    February 5, 2019 at 11:57 am
    I’ve been inside the Bruce Lee Museum and martial arts training facility. It’s in a small suburb outside Shanghai
    The aura of Lee is still there, what an awesome experience I had
    Very nice! I’ve never been to China, but I’ve friends who have (business travel). Honestly, I’m not sure I’d ever want to go there but to see the Bruce Lee Museum, but that’s just me, man.

    I have an aunt who is Japanese, and I hope to travel to Japan someday soon. My father has been to Japan and he absolutely loved it. The photos he took were pretty incredible, to say the least!

  50. mf13ss says:

  51. The Flying Pig says:

  52. MF, i don’t think it’s safe to travel to China anymore, even though I’ve always felt safe over there before, people were awesome, but things have worsened.
    There’s a travel advisory, some Americans have had great difficulty leaving the mainland to return home. Horror stories abound of stolen passports, ransom hostage taking, brutality, prolonged detainment, etc.

    I talked to the family over there, it’s not the government or the common people screwing with Americans, it’s criminal gangs exploiting Americans, and other foreigners for profit. Crime is getting worse, and foreigners of all countries are considered wealthy targets.
    I won’t go back

    • mf13ss says:

      GOOD. I’m happy to hear that you won’t go back… at least until the conditions of China change for the positive and becomes much safer, I’d presume. Communism really is a terrible form of government, my friend. It looks great on paper (kind of like our Phins’ rosters over the last 15 or so years), but it’s incompatible with reality and spawns tyrants.

      This isn’t so much about a political statement from me to you, rather I’m happy for your safety in not going back there! Know what I mean?!! I respect ya!

      • Everyone hates the government over there, they are corrupt as hell, employ mafia and criminal activities against their own people and others, and always have their feet on everyone’s heads, totalitarian control.
        Their human rights are abysmal at best, and downright scary to ever want to get involved with if You know what i mean.
        Our country has crime too, and it sucks, but at least I can still blog online about Miami without the government knocking on my door asking for mafia protection money or ELSE Vinny breaks Your kneecaps and a few other vital extremities for good measure

  53. Antonio Brown? ,SMH, I don’t believe We need Him in Miami, and He wouldn’t fit Flores rebuild plan anyway

  54. Lou poised some great questions about the mindset of our players now that Flo is their new leader.

    I would have to guess, they are jacked as hell, ready to kick some serious ass.
    why wouldn’t they be? Flo just called one of the best defensive games ever, and won a championship with it mere days ago.
    Now he’s the HC. . .???

    Wtf did we win the lotto, the players will likely run through walls for their new leader because he’s respectable, likable, relatable, and extremely successful.

    Best of all he is here, whereas 3 days ago we were a boat with no captain, a plane with no pilot, You get the idea, lol

  55. D says:

    Rockphin says:
    February 5, 2019 at 12:05 pm

    Problem: Jango got decapitated by Mace Windu and Smog got killed by a mere Hobbit. Go figure, LOL 😀

    But Smog wasn’t killed by a hobbit. He was killed by Bard the Bowman.
    And the black arrow was forged by the king under the mountain for the specific purpose of killing dragons, so it was imbued with magical elements. Smog was a badass.

    • mf13ss says:

      And if memory serves, it was Bilbo who pointed out Smog’s ‘chink in the armor’ to Bard the Bowman.

      • mf13ss says:

        And let us not get PC with ‘chink in the armor’. That’s never been intended as an insult to those in the far-east.

    • D says:

      Interestingly, if Bilbo had failed his quest and Smaug had hit him with his dragon fire, there wouldn’t have been any lord of the rings, because the one ring would have been melted. Smaug was the last dragon powerful enough to destroy the ring from his fire breath. So succeeding actually prolonged the threat of the world, and if they had failed they only would have had to deal with Smaug.

      • Rockphin says:

        is this something out of the later stories released by his son? I do not recall there being mention to ANY fire that could destroy the ring other than the fires in which it was forged. I don’t recall anything written about dragon fire being enough.

        Interesting twist though.

        he’s a good one too then. IF the fire wasn’t hot enough to melt the ring, i was till hot enough to melt the normal gold all around and sink the ring into a sea of molten gold that would then harden and hide the ring for all eternity in the giant lump of solid gold slag created by the dragons’ breath!

      • mf13ss says:

        And good correction on the spelling: Smaug.

  56. mf13ss says:


    Here’s a really good song, featuring Andre 3000 of Outkast. TLC was such an incredible group!

  57. stangerx says:

    Like what have learned and seen from Flores so far and am real interested, but imagine if you were a player on the roster… big name or small. Even if pretty sure won’t cut like say Minkah, your are thinking about how it is all gonna end up, how huge a rebuild will be, and who of the guys I practice with each day will get a phone call.

  58. Rockphin says:

    Ok Brian, No Disney world for you! Get to work!

    Cut John Denney already and let’s get this rebuild underway!

  59. Rockphin says:

    “It’s the players, not me,” he says.

    A quote from Flores about the SB winning defense.

    This is being lauded by the talking heads as a show of “true leadership”…..

    Now, what happens on the flip side when there isn’t success and he says “It’s the players, not me,” . Is that still “true leadership”? Just sayin’

    • D says:

      Could be honesty lol. I think though as a leader, you should be humble enough to give credit to those that helped make it happen and yet responsible enough to accept the responsibility even the part that should be laid down on those that followed your lead. Thats a true leader.

      • D says:

        In my work, i look to promote my employees to my leaders and i try to defend them from their wrath. If they arent deserving of my prise i dont run them down to my bosses, and i dont use them to excuse the failures even if i know they are directly responsible. I do however deliver my own condemnation of their actions after i take my whipping if they are directly responsible and i dont pass along praise if they didnt earn it, so i basically become the medium by which the upper administration sees my employees. I think ultimately the upper administration sees that as a responsible leader and you succeeding at your job.

    • The patriots that have weighed in on Flo describe him as a great leader they love and respect. He came into Miami with a detailed 9 month plan that impressed Grier.
      Is he a real leader? Stay tuned, but he for sure has the chance to be one in Miami!

  60. mf13ss says:

    Rockphin says:
    February 5, 2019 at 1:19 pm
    she was so hot! (and talented, but especially hot! LOL)
    Absolutely, and her quirky personality was a HUGE turn on for me. Left-Eye was the very definition of crazy, sexy, cool.

    But then of course… she burned down Andre Rison’s mansion… NOT COOL!

    • Rockphin says:

      yeah, but I bet he had insurance! LOL

      I think I’d forgive her. (but I’ve always been a sucker for a pretty face)

      • Rockphin says:

        To be clear, I would forgive her for burning down Rison’s mansion…..Not mine, crazy bitch. HA! LOL

  61. Rockphin says:

    I was just sayin’ that people like Andy Cohen and Armando are lauding him for saying “It’s the players” when really, any self aware person would say it because it is the PC thing to say. Gase used to stand up there and take the blame of the players mistakes. Was that less leadership?

    • D says:

      Nah i think that showed leadership, though his actions were all over the place. He would say what he was supposed to in pressers and then cut a player and say he was going off script and causing the defense to not work right. He did a lot of things with cutting players where his actions made you think it was the players fault, even if he sugar coated things at the presser. I dunno i got a feeling from Gase that he just wasnt in controld and wasnt “leadng” as much as he was out of control and always scrambling to put on a good look, to make it seem like he was.

  62. D says:

    Rockphin says:
    February 5, 2019 at 1:33 pm

    is this something out of the later stories released by his son? I do not recall there being mention to ANY fire that could destroy the ring other than the fires in which it was forged. I don’t recall anything written about dragon fire being enough.

    Interesting twist though.

    he’s a good one too then. IF the fire wasn’t hot enough to melt the ring, i was till hot enough to melt the normal gold all around and sink the ring into a sea of molten gold that would then harden and hide the ring for all eternity in the giant lump of solid gold slag created by the dragons’ breath!
    In the lord of the rings, Gandalf tells frodo that they would have to take the ring and throw it in the mountain’s fire because there were no longer any dragons left that could melt down the ring, in context of smaug’s death.

    • D says:

      Nevermind i found the passage now…

      ” It has been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring, the Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself. There is only one way: to find the Cracks of Doom in the depths of Orodruin, the Fire-mountain, and cast the Ring in there, if you really wish to destroy it, to put it beyond the grasp of the Enemy for ever.”

      So it said that they could consume the rings of power but not the one ring….

      • D says:

        Ancalagon the Black was the first and chief of all the winged dragons, so more powerful than Smaug. Galurung wasnt mentioned, which is weird since he was basically the first and most powerful of all dragons, though he didn’t have wings.

      • Rockphin says:

        WOW!!! “nevermind, I found the passage” WTF!!??? LOL good job!

    • Rockphin says:

      Ahhhhhh, I must have missed or not remembered that line. To be fair, the last time I read the series was 20+ years ago. Though I have probably read it 3-4 times in my life

      • D says:

        I have read the silmarillion at least that many times and i cant even count how many times i have read the hobbit, and the ring trilogy. Something will always come up, kinda like this disucussion of Smaug and ill have to go re-read it lol.

  63. D says:

    I dont read a ton of books but when i am into something, i REALLY am into it.

  64. Rockphin says:

    Let me just scan the 455,125 words in the lord of the rings series (accurate, go ahead and check me) to find the exact section where this is mentioned so I can show it to Rockphin…..


    • Rockphin says:

      That is just the three books in the Rings series. The hobbit and other works not included in the total.

    • D says:

      I remembered the exact phrase Gandalf used when he was talking to Frodo the search engine gave me the rest lol.

      • Rockphin says:

        yeah, understood. I didn’t count to 455,125. I googled how “many words in the lord of the rings trilogy” LOL

        Search engines are freakin amazing.

  65. Tim Knight says:

    Mike, that SS article is exactly what we’ve all been saying the team should do. Glad to hear that’s exactly the plan. Building the trenches first, becoming more physical, multiple fronts on defense, building for long-term success

  66. Rockphin says:

    Vincent Taylor
    Follow Follow @BallOut_96
    God is great. Today I have been cleared by doctors to resume all football activities. Looking forward to getting back on that field ready to work harder than ever. LETS GO…

    Let’s go Taylor!

    I noticed UKfin fan commented to him in the twits below.

  67. mf13ss says:

    PS: NSFW what with the audio!

  68. Rockphin says:


    I seem to get Greedy every draft……

  69. Tim Knight says:

    It’s funny that Flores mentioned there will be bumps in the road as they begin this rebuild. Don’t worry Flo, we Dolphins fans are very used to bumps in the road. Not sure we’ll even know how to handle a nice smooth track of winning. We be like, what’s this all about? LOL

  70. Rockphin says:

    I read an article today, can’t find it now to post the link, about how the past two head coaches went to the playoffs their first year and how that may have set the franchise back a step.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah Grier said that it put more pressure on the coaches to continue winning now that the fans thought they had a winner. They were basically trying to survive, patch working the roster and trying to save their jobs.

    • mf13ss says:

      Really? I posted here about that same fact a few weeks ago. NOT KIDDING.

  71. Mike E. says:

    “Bumpy road, take me home, to the place, I belong”

  72. pheloniusphish says:

    I’m not sure Howard is going to meet the definition of a “team first player.” Nothing says “me first” like saying you want to be the highest paid player in the NFL at your position.

    • D says:

      I get that but maybe in his own way thats validation that he is the best, because getting paid like it is the ultimate expression of your worth in the business world.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        No arguments on that, but NE hasn’t paid top dollar for anyone since Revis. People should get used to the idea of Howard being traded.

      • D says:

        Yeah i mean it doesnt fit a sustained winning culture philosophy to do that, you cant easily keep teams together and it breeds a greed culture and a me culture. There are a lot of reasons that its detrimental to a team. Rams are set to fall apart very soon and then McVay is going from the offensive genius to a one hit wonder. Its not easy getting and keeping things going in todays NFL.

        Ill be honest too, i bet drafting will become easier too, except we, as fans, are going to be thing who the fuck are these guys when they select them. NE gets guys and you think to yourself who the hell is this guy, but he comes in and fits the system like a glove. He wasnt on our, as fans, radar because he didnt have sick 40 times or didnt have sick BP number, but Belichick knew how that piece would fit in his system, and he knew through interviews they were the types of players he wanted on his team. The guy is a personnel genius on top of being a really good coach too.

  73. D says:

    Rockphin says:
    February 5, 2019 at 2:06 pm

    Vincent Taylor
    Follow Follow @BallOut_96
    God is great. Today I have been cleared by doctors to resume all football activities. Looking forward to getting back on that field ready to work harder than ever. LETS GO…

    Let’s go Taylor!

    I noticed UKfin fan commented to him in the twits below.
    I misread that to start with and thought it said Lawrence Taylor and i was like WTF. I thought Jesus CTE got LT.

  74. Tim Knight says:

    Phish, the Pats signed Stephon Gilmore to 5 years $65M.

  75. D says:

    Im ok with whatever they do to build us a winner, Howard can go, Jones, whatever. I love the players but we gotta let them do what they need to to get this team in the right place. We can judge them if they get it there and still doesn’t work.

  76. ElephantRider says:


    None of you guys here are gonna be sayin ” who the fuck are these guys”

    You all have already mocked, scouted, and talked up 2000 guys before the draft!

    Love it.


  77. Mike E. says:

    I think the odds are pretty good we re-sign Howard. Not sure if he gets what he wants, but I think it would be a mistake to let him go.

    • ElephantRider says:

      He tweeted out a pic of Flores and let’s get to work. I think he’ll be around. Not signing top free agents is one thing, signing your own is another.

      Tim just pointed out the Cheats spending on CBs….. they know if you can, you get/keep the really good ones.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Agreed, at his age and his performance trending up he’s a building block to me.

  78. Rockphin says:

    Part of the culture of being a “perennial winner” is keeping your own into their second / third contracts and THEN letting them go when they are aging vets or better yet trading them for more resources when they start getting long in the tooth.

    • Mike E. says:

      I agree. You don’t let your budding superstar leave who is 25 or 26 YO. That’s pointless

      • Tim Knight says:

        Right!! So we draft a guy in the 2nd rd this year, he balls out and in 4 years we say nope, can’t pay you. But thanks for the awesomeness.

        Cue David on Landry. LOL

    • stangerx says:

      If you got the Pats way happens at least before the 3rd contract typically. You let them go when see a decline in play and figure no one else caught onto that. And not just re-signs…. they trade like with Richard Seymour.

  79. Rockphin says:

    To be clearn, GM Rockphin TRIES to retain his own, but he sets a value and if the player thinks he is worth more then the player get’s to try FA.

  80. naplesfan2010 says:

    Eliot Harrison just came out with his first 2019 Power Rankings.
    We are 31st, ahead of only the Cardinals and behind even the Jets who hired the coach we fired.

    • Mike E. says:

      It’s way too early for that, but that’s assuming we go with either Luke Falk or Jake Rudock at QB, and then it’s understandable, although a silly exercise

  81. D says:

    Round 1 Pick 13: Sweat, Montez, DE, Mississippi State (B)
    Round 2 Pick 16: Grier, Will, QB, West Virginia (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Jenkins, Elgton, OT/C, Mississippi State (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Alexander, Ed, DT, LSU (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 13: Ridley, Riley, WR, Georgia (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Sagapolu, Olive, DT, Wisconsin (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 17: Scarlett, Jordan, RB, Florida (A+)
    Missed the chance at a first round QB, and part of me feels this is way too heavy on the DL, but its not a bad talent grab.

  82. D says:

    Man, its like either people love the Flores hire or they hate it lol. People seem to all be judging it based on Belichick too, like if they believe that he has some of the Belichick magic they love the hire, and if they think that Belichicks assistants always flop they think its the stupidest decision ever.

    • D says:

      Its clearn that people really have no clue what to think about the hire since they cant even give the guy 2 seconds to do any judgment based on him, and instead are basing it off what they think about a different coach.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Most people know nothing about any of these asst. coaches. Some of the best intel about Flores comes from coaches and players who worked with him and played for him. Joe Smcho sitting on his couch knows as much about Brian Flores as he does about all the old food between his couch cushions.

      • D says:

        I agree, but this is also coming from different sports pundits, but again, i dont think many of them know much about the guy anyways because their comments keep circling back to Belichick.

  83. D says:

    Pats dont really have a 2nd or 3rd contract rule, they have a line, and if you ask for more than they feel you are worth or more than they can afford, they tell you go find a different place where you get a shot at the Superbowl every year. They have a damn strong bargaining chip.

  84. Tim Knight says:

    D, most of the sports reporters who are really locked in with sources know that some of these asst. coaches across the league are well respected and considered up and comers. NFL people know much more though because they all know each other in one way or another.

  85. Randy says:

    If I’m a GM, I set a player’s value. I negotiate knowing how far I’m willing to go. If the player wants more, I cut him loose. Nobody should be seen as a “have to keep” kinda guy unless you have a true superstar franchise QB. Don’t make a habit of overpaying guys. It’s a bad business model and can’t be sustained. Be fair…not stupid.

    • stangerx says:

      Makes a lot of sense to me, but gets difficult when you have to look the guy in the eye while doing that. And actually don’t think the Phins have been so bad on that front. Even if been burned by some of the FAs, but maybe that is the flip side of not knowing as much about the guy.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I think that’s pretty much how it works with most GMs and teams. But paying a player who’s been producing on a high level market value isn’t overpaying. Players make money in this league. Not everyone can be on the cheap.

      To me Howard is trending as a top corner and he’s still young. I would pay him top corner money, maybe not the highest, but close.

  86. naplesfan2010 says:

    I’m a Gold Rabbit.
    I’m a high priced prostitute.

  87. Randy says:

    I’d give him a top 5-10 player contract. I’m not sure he’s earned anything more than that yet.

    • ElephantRider says:

      I think you pay him in the top 5 and lock him up. The salaries are only going to go up especially with the new passing rules. Fins should get ahead of it and lock him up. As Tim stated, hes a building block for the defense

      • Tim Knight says:

        He’s also an aggressive player, very good tackler and can lay the wood. He helps the entire defense. He was the team MVP voted for by the team. Right now he’s the best player on the team.

    • Tim Knight says:

      You can set the contracts up to be performance based. But it’s always about the guaranteed money anyway.

      The reason I pay Howard is he wants to be the best and wants to prove it. He loves the game and realized after his rookie season he needed to do more film study and not just rely on physical ability. He’s known for a good work ethic. I pay guys like that.

  88. Mike E. says:

    Oh, I’m actually a water rabbit, not a gold rabbit

  89. Tim Knight says:

    Maybe Howard becomes one of those 10+ year players for us, an all-time Dolphins great. Maybe the last years of his career are at Safety. He has the size, tackling ability and physical prowess to play there, and he’s a ball hawk. The only issue I have with Howard is he’s had some knee injuries, not bad ones, but continuous. But lots of guys play through that for years. I would think Grier and Flores would like to keep him around. He fits the criteria.

  90. son of a son of a shula says:

    There’s no way they can saddle Flores with Tannehill. That position is the absolute biggest need and can no way have Tannehill as part of it. It’s over.
    I’d be completely flummoxed if they kept him not to mention pissed.

  91. Randy says:

    Can’t we just see how Howard plays next year before we figure out what sort of contract he deserves?

  92. Randy says:

    You don’t nderstand. Flores will want to win, and he needs Tannehill to do that. Lol

  93. Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Randy

  94. Tim Knight says:

    Son, the day we move on from Tannehill, what’s your last meal? LOL

  95. son of a son of a shula says:

    Mike, fatutzt to be honest

  96. Mike E. says:

    Son – I’d say ufgekokht, but fatutzt may be right too, I just don’t know what it means.

  97. Mike E. says:

    Sonny – All i find for fatutzt is inconsiderate. I guess putting your fist through a door would be inconsiderate. lol

  98. mf13ss says:

    son of a son of a shula says:
    February 5, 2019 at 8:23 pm
    You must be a Dobbs man then…
    The son of Dobbs would historically be called (according to certain European traditions) : Dobbson.
    Yeah, I don’t want ANYTHING to do with a Dobson, for crying out loud! 😀

  99. naplesfan2010 says:

    You guys are a LITTTTTTLE too intelligent tonight.
    This is a football blog.

    Kick some Patriot ass, Flores.
    Go Dolphins.

    There. I fixed it.

  100. son of a son of a shula says:

    M13, I checked and I’m the dragon too but the one before you.

  101. Tim Knight says:

    Rumor is Philly picked up Foles’ $20M to trade him to JAX.

  102. naplesfan2010 says:

    I listened to Mira for a few years off and on. She was vaguely entertaining.

  103. herdfan says:

    I have to question the wisdom of the ancient Chinese. I don’t know any women who would want to be referred to as an Ox. I’m offended. 🤣

  104. ocalarob says:

    Check this out, i know this moron that i play golf with, he carries a concealed weapon, 9 mm.
    his GF wants to buy a home so i’m out showing him a home just when the sun is going down.
    i walk thru the house to lock it up and go out the back door, as i’m walking around the home all of a sudden i see a flashing light, like a strobe. i think my friend has a flashlight pointed at me, when i get up on him it’s his 9mm with a flashlight attached that he’s pointing at me. i was fuck’n pissed, i was ready to pummel him but his dad and GF were there.

    he told me he wanted to show me how the strobe would disorient me! i told him you mean your pointing your gun at me, and he said don’t worry it’s not loaded.

    i held my composure and finished there, the next day i removed him from his house search, he contacted me tonight and i told him like it was.

    he got all pissed at me LOL
    i told him he’s stupid, needs to take a gun safety course and don’t ever come around me again,

    you believe this guy?

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      You did the right thing. Both getting distance from him and not physically attacking him in the moment. What was the guy, 12 years old?

  105. Tim Knight says:

    This could be the core that returns as the new regime totally revamps the roster. Sorry I think a lot of vets are on the way out. Maybe not all of them, but most either through trades or releases.

    LT Tunsil
    TE Gesicki
    TE Smythe
    WR Wilson
    WR Grant
    RB Drake
    RB Ballage
    RB Bolden (STs)

    DL Godchaux
    DL Taylor
    Edge Harris
    LB McMillan
    LB Baker
    DB Fitzpatrick
    CB Howard
    CB McCain

    Special Teams
    ST Aikens
    K Sanders
    P Haack

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      I would keep both Gray and O’Leary at TE and then you have your 4 and no need to think about the position. Youth on the cheap and a vet to mentor who can play FB also.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      I would keep Stills and Amendola because Stills is the type of personality who can have a big rebound season with new management and any QB we would play would need some reliable targets, especially with the youth at TE.

      Amendola played for NE, so he should have some familiarity with Flores, esp. if he brings an OC from NE with him.

      Those 2 guys were our leading receivers and have quality speed and skills. Amendola could function in the Edelman role which just won the Super Bowl MVP.

  106. naplesfan2010 says:

    I just don’t know where you are going to find replacements for 34 guys out of 53 in one FA and draft. Say we trade Stills for a 3rd, why would that rookie be a certainty to be as good as Stills?

    If you keep 1 OL, then you need to find 8 OL somewhere. That is a giant task and means the whole line must learn everything from scratch. Etc. for each position on the team.

    I’d like to see a HC come in with some steadiness and an OC and DC who can get the max out of players like James and Alonso. Our new HC was a LB coach. Maybe he can teach the run fits and blitz pkgs better than that part timer we had at DC. Let Burke go camping in Kilimanjaro.

    And any OC would be better since we did not have one other than dowel rod loghead.

    Gase’s idea of offense is draw up some wild shit in the sand by the ditch and say one run to the dumpster and one to the lamp post and one go hide by the Cadillac and prolly the TE should block if he sees anybody coming; our QB will hit whoever’s open. How do OL block for that crap?

    Drake’s like “Coach, what do I do?” and Gase is like “Wait. What?”

    Delay of game, false start, loss of a yd. incomplete pass, punt. 32nd offense in the league.

  107. naplesfan2010 says:

    I read somewhere that Flores went into his interview with a detailed 9-month plan and blew Grier away.

    So maybe the excellent list idea that Tim has above is the plan.

  108. pheloniusphish says:

    ORob – Dude with the gun is a moron. The kind you don’t want to be around.

    • ocalarob says:

      tried to explain it to him, he doesnt want to admit that he was in the wrong, i told him what if i had a gun and you pointed your unloaded weapon at me and i gunned you down?
      he was also saying that i should trust him, that he knows guns very well and would never put me in danger.
      i told him why would you put me in a position that i have to trust you with my life? what if you made a mistake.
      i jumped all over him and said you were wrong and you won’t even admit it!
      he geez ok i was wrong!
      just a stubborn immature 32 year old, i hope i was more mature at that age.

  109. Rockphin says:

    So, I’m an Earth Rooster….

  110. Rockphin says:

    Rockphin = Stoneflipper

  111. Rockphin says:

    Man, you would think that the team would have announced some other coach hirings by now. We are still only going by the rumors in the press at this point. Come on team. Make some announcements.

  112. Mike E. says:


  113. Rockphin says:

    Ok, here is my “we are going multiple fronts 3/4-4/3 draft. Traded back 4 spots in the first for an additional 2nd round pick.


    Of course I am still trying to fix the O-line too!

  114. D says:

    son of a son of a shula says:
    February 5, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    Mike, fatutzt to be honest
    Fatootsed — to be frustrated.

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