If you’re a real football fan, you know the schedule comes out this evening at 8PM EST. You also know I ain’t got no details fer ya, because there aren’t any details to give. We know besides our divisional foes that we’ll be hosting the Baltimore Ravens, Los Angeles Chargers, Cincinnati Bengals, Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Redskins. We’ll be traveling to play the Cleveland Browns, Dallas Cowboys, Indianapolis Colts, Pittsburgh Steelers and the NY Giants, as well as our divisional foes. All this will take place precisely between September and December, so plan accordingly.
News is very slow at this time of year, and although the NFL Draft is just 8 days away, we know no more about what our plans are or which players we’re really interested. Job well done Miami Dolphins! That’s how it should be. Our local Miami beat reporters must be losing their collective minds. This is business done the way it should be done. Now all they have to do is actually ace every pick in this draft, do the same in 2020, and we’re on our way to championship football, right?
This evening past 8PM EST the first deliberations will begin for the 2019 Fest. The poll will probably go up tomorrow, or maybe the next day, depends on when Counselor Piggy is available. Rock will vote about 20-30 times for a game no one else wants to attend, and make sure to tell us too.
Next week, I’ll reveal my favorite players for this year’s draft (ooooh, I bet you can’t wait!). I may even make up a 7 RD Mock of who I’d like us to take, but don’t count on it. I saw some chatter that we will do a LIVE Mock Draft here this evening at 8PM EST. I encourage you all to participate, the more people in the better it will be. I know we’ll do RD 1, and if you all are enthusiastic enough to keep it going, maybe we’ll do RD 2 and more. So if you can make it, tonight at 8PM EST. LIVE Mock Draft!
Finsmob Unleashed 
Back to Tim Knight’s comment about foundational starters in this year’s draft….if they were all on the line (at least 2) and one other…..we might have a top 10 D next year. Might.
i’D SETTLE FOR A TOP 20 DEFENSE THIS YEAR!! Miami allowed a franchise worst 6257 yards of total offense last season and finished 29th in total defense.
It was just horrible and has been for years.
KRISHNA: The 72 Dolphins had BOTH the #1 defense AND the #1 offense in the NFL that year. They set a new NFL record for most yards rushing in a season that year.
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YOU KNOW, after the dust from the draft settles, maybe the managers of this site should run a few episodes of “ABSOLUTE PERFECTION?”
I forgot about the #1 RUN offense….but with Csonka, Kick, and Morris and the best OL in the NFL, how could I forget.
Old school and perfection, indeed.
This mock ROCKS
YOUR TEAM
MIAMI DOLPHINS
YOUR PICKS
1: R1P18 OT JAWAAN TAYLOR FLORIDA
2: R2P16 DL DEXTER LAWRENCE CLEMSON
3: R2P18 EDGE ZACH ALLEN BOSTON COLLEGE
4: R3P14 EDGE MAXX CROSBY EASTERN MICHIGAN
5: R4P19 G BEN POWERS OKLAHOMA
6: R5P13 LB BOBBY OKEREKE STANFORD
7: R5P19 QB BRETT RYPIEN BOISE STATE
8: R7P19 CB ALEXANDER MYRES HOUSTON
9: R7P20 S JOJO MCINTOSH WASHINGTON
Want/Get
Pig – Haskins/Ferrell
Wyoming – Josh Allen/ Wilkins
stanger — Haskins/Tytus Howard (after trade down).
BailBondMike – Ed Oliver/Josh Allen — trade back a little for Wilkins
Mike E – Haskins/Haskins
ORob — Haskins/ Wilkins
NewAge- Haskins/ Ferrell
Self-sustaining — so if you want to add yours please put the whole list in.
Eli to Tyree. He should have been sacked multiple times.
he broke several hand tackles…
Dude, so you’re going to downplay this because you’re not a fan of his? Come on! There were so many opportunities for the defenders to prevent that throw from ever happening.
Thanks, Tim. I thought 8 and 5 were pretty good.
I guess throwing and connecting to wide open receivers is the new top ten.
For number one, I will say he stayed on his feet and got the ball off. It should have been a pick and the receiver made the play. That’s how I saw it then and how I see it now. I remember at the time it was OMG WTF he caught that!!!! Not what a great play by Eli.
Want/Get
Pig – Haskins/Ferrell
Wyoming – Josh Allen/ Wilkins
stanger — Haskins/Tytus Howard (after trade down).
BailBondMike – Ed Oliver/Josh Allen — trade back a little for Wilkins
Mike E – Haskins/Haskins
ORob — Haskins/ Wilkins
NewAge- Haskins/ Ferrell
Rock – Josh Allen / Ferrell
Self-sustaining — so if you want to add yours please put the whole list in.
That was a great catch by David Tyree
Tim Knight says:
April 22, 2019 at 10:04 pm
Dude, so you’re going to downplay this because you’re not a fan of his?
why not? it is a very common practice on this board.
but my whole point isn’t the “great play” he had hucking the ball up for grabs to Tyree. It is that he has been a medifucingocre QB for 16 years. He HASN’T elevated his team as everyone on here says a franchise QB must do.
Eli is a terrible QB but he is a big part of two of my favorite SBs of all time. I wish I lived in Boston those two years….
Terrible?
How about it was an amazing play by both Eli and Tyree. If Eli doesn’t do what he does the catch never happens. When my family and I watched that game we all said ahh shit he’s sacked. Wait… he escaped, oh shit up for grabs, he caught it!!!! Yes!!! Ge caught it!!! It took two to tango on that play.
Okay I’ll play but I’m open to more prospects than this.
Want/Get
Pig – Haskins/Ferrell
Wyoming – Josh Allen/ Wilkins
stanger — Haskins/Tytus Howard (after trade down).
BailBondMike – Ed Oliver/Josh Allen — trade back a little for Wilkins
Mike E – Haskins/Haskins
ORob — Haskins/ Wilkins
NewAge- Haskins/ Ferrell
Rock – Josh Allen / Ferrell
Tim – QB they like / Wilkins
Self-sustaining — so if you want to add yours please put the whole list in.
Qb the like is a weird name
Just not sure.
Rock, Eli has been super durable, never missed a game and once he became the starter never missed a start until doofus Ben McAdoo started Geno Smith over him. He can make every throw and he played big in big games. No he’s not an all-time great week to week or year to year but he has intangibles that many QBs who have the stats do not have. The main one is dependability.
I might say pedigree…..Archie, Peyton, the apple doesn’t fall from the tree. He’s got tools, but he’s no Peyton.
And, I thought it was pretty shitty what McAdoo did, but I don’t really follow the Giants anymore since about 1993 when I left the area.
No he’s not Peyton. He’s a good QB who had some great moments and won a couple of championships and SB MVPs.
I will give you that….and he’s had good Ds
Want/Get
Pig – Haskins/Ferrell
Wyoming – Josh Allen/ Wilkins
stanger — Haskins/Tytus Howard (after trade down).
BailBondMike – Ed Oliver/Josh Allen — trade back a little for Wilkins
Mike E – Haskins/Haskins
ORob — Haskins/ Wilkins
NewAge- Haskins/ Ferrell
Rock – Josh Allen / Ferrell
Tim – QB they like / Wilkins
ER – Allen / Wilkins
Self-sustaining — so if you want to add yours please put the whole list in.
Just thought I’d stop by and add my 2 cents before the draft. Grier stated he thinks there’s 5 elite DL in this draft. He also said he feels pretty good about getting one at #13. However, if one isn’t there I can see him trading back because he also said that there could be about 5 guys they really like they feel they can have a shot at a little later.
Once you get beyond those 5 elite guys on D things start to even out a bit. So, it’s possible they trade back and take someone like Simmons if they have a shot or Wilkins, Lawrence. Who knows. But I doubt they stay at #13 and take one of them if they feel they can get one later.
He stated he was already approached at the owner’s meetings by teams looking to move up and would start receiving calls on Monday about the same. Probably made calls himself.
Peter King stated Miami was the most active in talking to ARI about Rosen. I doubt it happens but I think they were really trying to have their franchise qb in place for this season.
My favs list that I want to see on this roster after the draft:
1. Cody Thompson, WR, Toledo
2. Cole Holcomb, SS, UNC
3. Olamide Zaccheaus, WR/HB, UVA
4. Reggie Gallaspy, RB, NC State
5. David Blough, QB, Purdue
Other than that, if they come away with any combination of offensive and defensive linemen I’ll be happy.
Want/Get
Pig – Haskins/Ferrell
Wyoming – Josh Allen/ Wilkins
stanger — Haskins/Tytus Howard (after trade down).
BailBondMike – Ed Oliver/Josh Allen — trade back a little for Wilkins
Mike E – Haskins/Haskins
ORob — Haskins/ Wilkins
NewAge- Haskins/ Ferrell
Rock – Josh Allen / Ferrell
Tim – QB they like / Wilkins
ER – Allen / Wilkins
Prof Lou- Simmons/Simmons
Self-sustaining — so if you want to add yours please put the whole list in.
Reggie Gallaspy is a bulldozer type guy who will probably go undrafted and can add that tough yardage rb to our team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaX0UH3Vej0
Want/Get
Pig – Haskins/Ferrell
Wyoming – Josh Allen/ Wilkins
stanger — Haskins/Tytus Howard (after trade down).
BailBondMike – Ed Oliver/Josh Allen — trade back a little for Wilkins
Mike E – Haskins/Haskins
ORob — Haskins/ Wilkins
NewAge- Haskins/ Ferrell
Rock – Josh Allen / Ferrell
Tim – QB they like / Wilkins
ER – Allen / Wilkins
Prof Lou- Simmons/Simmons
Dbolt- trade down Lindstrom / Wilkins
Hey DBolt! I see you want Lindstrom – I know we all fall in love with those Joel Bitonio type players, they’ve all turned out to be good NFL players.
Truly like Lindstrom, but I can see why the team would go Wilkins over him. I think the depth for OL is a little better in RDs 2-3 than DT. So Im prepared for DT, DE, followed by OL.
T minus 2 days and 10-11 hours
It’s so funny. It’s one of the events I look forward to most and more than 3/4 of the time I’m disappointed with what we do. Isn’t that sad?
It’s like a colonoscopy that way
….wait…did I post that?
I tend to think lindstrom might be available in the 2nd
Haskins in the 1 st and lindstrom in the 2nd would be quite a haul
Yes it would. You could still get a good DE prospect in rds 3-5….just think the DT talent might fall off quicker.
If we get a QB in the 1st I’m probably going OL in 2 of the next 3 rounds
You can also go DL/edge in the 2st and interior OL in the 2nd
I agree with you in the DT talent – it tends to fall off pretty quickly
Honestly, if they did go QB first then they would need to invest at OG in the 2nd. I think you still go DE in 3 & possibly 4. The DT spot is the big ? for me w/ what they are truly looking for.
Honestly think Gary was overrated anyway
I heard that this morning on NFL radio. It can’t help his draft stock
Want/Get
Pig – Haskins/Ferrell
Wyoming – Josh Allen/ Wilkins
stanger — Haskins/Tytus Howard (after trade down).
BailBondMike – Ed Oliver/Josh Allen — trade back a little for Wilkins
Mike E – Haskins/Haskins
ORob — Haskins/ Wilkins
NewAge- Haskins/ Ferrell
Rock – Josh Allen / Ferrell
Tim – QB they like / Wilkins
ER – Allen / Wilkins
Prof Lou- Simmons/Simmons
Dbolt- trade down Lindstrom / Wilkins
M13- Josh Allen/Ferrell
Self-sustaining — so if you want to add yours please put the whole list in.
Saw that….I doubt he drops due to that as he played with it already and still put up 26reps of 225 at the combine. So it shows he can function with it and can also tough it out. If Miami had their eyes on him as an elite DL I don’t think this would scare them off.
I was kind of hoping he would go before we picked
He’s One of the few top rated players I really don’t care for
His teammate consistently outplayed him
In regards to UM players, there’s plenty of talent on those squads, but it feels like they aren’t getting overly developed by Jim and company. Is it coaching or is it just players? With as much talent as they are lauded for defensively how do they get schlacked by OSU like they do….just really strange.
Police dog injured while chasing a suspect. Was going after the guy but found something else. No matter how much you train them dogs will be dogs will be…. poor pooch.
Wilkins and Ferrell are real popular choices for who we might actually get. Aren’t both of those Tigers better suited to a 4-3 though?
They played in a 4-3 but they have the size and skills to play either. Ferrell for example makes doe a DE/3-4OLB and Wilkins is more 4-3 DT/3-4NT maybe capable of 3-4 DE as well.
While at work yesterday (forget who it came from, but very credible source), I read a tweet that stated Montez Sweat is completely off the draft boards of several teams, due to his heart condition.
There is a chance Sweat could be there for us @ R1P13, though I highly doubt it. Now should he be there for us, I’d go running to the podium for him.
Trust your Dr’s. If they think he is ok, make the selection, if they feel he is a risk, wait until you think the risk meets the potential reward.
Absolutely agreed, D. If our doctors think he’s okay, run to the podium for him if he’s there for us.
They didn’t even bring him back for another check at the combine. Why all of a sudden is it such a big deal?
Mike E. says:
April 23, 2019 at 12:22 pm
They didn’t even bring him back for another check at the combine. Why all of a sudden is it such a big deal?
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It’s only about the revelation that Sweat is off some boards.
In other words, he’s BEEN off some boards post-Combine.
Trust our DR’s?
Tell me about Brees’s shoulder again????????
How is What’s his names knee again????
It doesn’t matter what happens with Sweat, we’re taking Haskins at #13. 😉
Haskins is the consensus QB2 in this draft, and some will tell ya QB1 (but for the Cardinals’ love fest for Murray via Kingsbury).
I truly believe that if we want Haskins that badly, we’re going to have to trade up to get him. I STRONGLY suggest against doing as much for a mere 1-year starter. At least Tannehill had 1.5 years of starting before we drafted him @ R1P8.
I suppose I’m just trying to temper your expectations, Mike E! 🙂
They get paid the big bucks to make those projections. Darnold played 2 years, but played worse his 2nd year. You have to make big boy decisions. I don’t eliminate Haskins because of his lack of playing time, I either like what he has or I don’t.
This mock may cause me to stab someone. It’s a mockery. lol
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-mock-draft-redskins-get-best-qb-in-the-class-broncos-trade-into-first-round-for-drew-lock/
M – I rarely get what I want in the draft, my expectations are pre-tempered.
I hear ya! LOL
Mike, not saying we won’t draft Haskins if we can but you’re setting yourself up to be disappointed if it doesn’t happen.
Nah, not really. I think either someone is going to take him before we pick. If we’re going to take him, we might trade up to get him, or much more unlikely, he falls to us at #13. At that point, it would be interesting if we didn’t take him, which is entirely possible. That’s probably the only way I’d be disappointed was if he fell to us, and we didn’t take him.
Mike E (and all, actually),
I’ve heard on good authority that Chris Grier REALLY likes Alabama and Ohio State players. That being said, you’re either going to love it if we land Dwayne Haskins, or hate it if we land Jonah Williams.
Drake, McMillan, Minkah and Foster the last 3 years.
YUP!
Ya mean Baker?
The reason is big time competition and they’re well coached.
Yes Baker, for some reason I say Foster at times. Not sure why.
From two days ago…
M13’s 2nd 2019 Miami Dolphins’ Draft (to be finalized before the Draft)
R1P13: Jonah Williams, OL, Alabama, or Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson
R2P16: Chase Winovich, DE, Michigan, or Michael Deiter, OG Wisconsin
R3P14: Isaiah Buggs, DT/DE, Alabama, or Kingsley Keke, DT/DE, Texas A&M
R4P14: Max Scharping, OT, NIU
R5P13: Sutton Smith, OLB, NIU
R7P19: Xavier Turner, RB, Tarleton State
R7P20: Stephen Denmark, CB, Valdosta State
UDFA: Dominick Bragalone, RB, Lehigh (assist from Dbolt), Trace McSorley, QB, PSU, more to come…
I’m not sure what it is about NIU, but I’ve been following that team for some years now (along with Dbolt and Lou).
This guy is OUTSTANDING!!! MAN-CRUSH University from last year…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3OeCCQ9Jtc
Sutton Smith: #1 in 2018 FBS in tackles for loss (27) and #3 in 2018 FBS in sacks (15). Biggest knock? His size: 6’0, 233.
And he is white. Ask Omar, you cant be a good football player if you are white.
Chiefs are going for it. Wonder if they want Landry too. He’d fit that D quite well.
Which Landry?
I thought we only have one Landry D…. or maybe am missing some joke you made.
We dont have a Landry…..
Thanks — meant Reshad.
Im glad we weren’t in it then. I would have swapped our first and third, but i wouldn’t have given up either, not and take on the contract that i also then had to negotiate an extension for.
wyoming85 says:
April 23, 2019 at 12:32 pm
Trust our DR’s?
Tell me about Brees’s shoulder again????????
How is What’s his names knee again????
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So do you not trust them ever? Who else do you trust?
Chiefs make a lot more sense than us trading for Clark. They’re close.
Clark would have made sense for us but not at that cost. Clark could have anchored the DL for next 5 years or more. We simply cant sacrifice the building steps we need to make this year for that though. If we could have done it with a swap of picks or something more reasonable in compensation, it would have been a good move i think.
Yeah man, that’s what I meant. Not for all those picks. Again, even if he was a free agent, I’m not sure we’d be looking to spend that kind of money anyway, but it would have been a lot more likely than adding in all those draft picks.
People are moving Chase Winovich down their draft boards because he apparently is already playing up like a Gronk celeb status player in the making. They think h is going to be hard to manage and potentially cause locker room issues. No that said, a coach like Flores probably isnt afraid of managing a player like that, but the question would be would he want to have to.
I saw him on GMF and he is a character but there was nothing about him I didn’t like.
Just what i read posted on some internet blogs/draft sites. Its the rumor around him and why a few people have lowered him on their boards.
wyoming85 says:
April 23, 2019 at 12:32 pm
Trust our DR’s?
Tell me about Brees’s shoulder again????????
How is What’s his names knee again????
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So do you not trust them ever? Who else do you trust?
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Just for reference!
For ya’ll bitching about not having a franchise QB
And after that D I wouldn’t trust anyone!
Oh trust me we whiffed twice on a HOF guy, could have had him twice missed both times. Dr’s are still the only ones we can trust in situations like this, despite how jaded we are as fans, if he tells us that Sweat checks out then thats what we have to go on.
I’m still trying to figure out who Stanger is talking about . . .
Reshad Jones. I get confused by unusual first names. And least some have said KC might be interested in him.
I figured that might be who you meant. They picked up Tyrann Mathieu, they don’t need Reshad anymore
So you figured but were still trying to figure…… but I deserved it. 🙂
Stanger – No – The other person I was thinking you might have meant was Albert Wilson, had it narrowed down to those 2. 🙂 They still have issues with Tyreek Hill.
But he said on defense. LOL
Where did he say that? He replied to D, he didn’t say defense
stangerx says:
April 23, 2019 at 1:40 pm
Chiefs are going for it. Wonder if they want Landry too. He’d fit that D quite well.
Ah, never mind, he did say he’d fit that D quite well, I missed that
No problem with the name Albert, but who is the Tyreek guy? Or are you talking about one of the Ezekiels? But who am I to throw stones at unusual names? Have Bergess, Zora, Ephraim and a bunch of others in my family tree….. but only know them cause know them.
***sigh***
Haskins
***sigh***
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I figured you were thinking Landry Jones, which is or was a backup QB for Big Rape for a little while, so i was leaning towards Rashad Jones but figured id just let ya clarify.
Pass rushers are really expensive now. You better draft them well and often.
Thats been true since the days of LT.
QB, DE, OT, and CB have been positions you need to either consistently draft well at or get ready to shell out some money to keep what ya got. Recent years OG, S, LB, and WR have peaked up a bit, and become moderately expensive to keep and TE and RB are becoming positions that unless you got a once in a decade player you really dont pay a lot for in FA.
You really can only juggle 2-3 of the top group or 3-4 of the second group at a time. 5-7 of both groups combined and the rest has to be players you are filling with cheap, usually young players. So you cant have more than 10-15% of your final roster filled with top tier players and the rest you have to have a mix of good contributors and young cheap talent.
So how important is the draft? about 50% of your roster is going to have to be on rookie contracts to be in a good economical position, so how good you hit on your draft picks and UDFA pickups determines how good half of your roster is.
Now even the good ones who you may not consider “elite” are getting paid as elite.
I think we see 3 QB’s gone, and very likely 4 by the time we pick. The most iffy i am on any of them though is the one everyone thinks is the number 1 overall. I think Grier also has a good chance of going int he 1st round too, though i kind of would suspect later in the round and maybe even to a team that currently has an established starter.
if that’s the case i look to see a great player drop to 13 and a trade back would be very valuable
Heard today there is some buzz the Pats like Ryan Finley and could take him at #32.
I heard the same about how they felt about Grier.
It should be interesting to see how it all goes down.
We weren’t paying Clark that kind of money even if he was a FA.
No!!! You have to draft them and when they get into their 3rd year and you have a good one, draft another one.
what a great player who was drafted 63 overall, trade back and get multiple 2nd rnders
Frank Clark 2nd rd, DeMarcus Lawrence 2nd rd, Chris Jones 2nd rd, Trey Flowers 4th rd. They do come from outside the 1st rd.
For the record if the Chiefs or any other team for that matter offered us similar compensation for Jones, he’s a gone goose.
Arizona would be a really good target to trade Jones actually. They are fairly weak in the secondary and Jones with Peterson would make them really solid no matter how the rest of the group panned out. Maybe Jones for Rosen and our 3rd, we offload a heavy contract, gain a young QB, potential franchise guy, we are still in a position to draft in 2020, we clear our draft this year to address other spots and possible trade back to pick up extra picks, and they get a still fairly young, top safety who they can easily mange his contract under their cap. They also still gain picks in this scenario because they picked up our 3rd.
I like his 1980s devil worshiper metal hand sign
If you play his tape backwards are there subliminal messages?
I just read somewhere where something was going on surrounding Patrick Peterson and Arizona possibly looking to trade him, and that part of the rumor indicated it might be some sort of package deal that included Rosen.
So just for silliness sake. Patrick Peterson, Josh Rosen for our Pick 13? We pick up a big contract, get a great, but about to hit the downhill side of a career CB, a potential QB of the future but at the cost of our number one pick this year. We also get a really good mentor for X and any of our other CB’s. Or even Paterick Peterson, Rosen, for out 3rd and Jones. We get help at CB where we need it, they get it at S where they ned it we swap bad contracts and the swap of Rosen for the 3rd is same as previously stated.
big not bad.
I saw the the Peterson trade rumors shot down pretty quickly. But who the hell knows!
Not only would it not surprise me, but I’d be fine with it – drafting all lineman first 3 picks in any order but I think it would be 2 DL and 1 OL. I’d prefer to have the trenches upgraded and sound before “the big” QB. No idea what we’ll do but this wasn’t surprise me at all.
One thing I’ll say about Josh Rosen because he’s in the news a lot and they show a lot of his highlights, he throws a nice ball. Very good arm and he’s mobile enough. The question about him is can he be a leader, can he be durable and take his game to a top level?
He has talent
I liked him better than Allen or Darnold last year
But i like Haskins more this year
And I think I like most of the 2020 prospects more than him
I wouldn’t hate a trade for Rosen, but it’s not like he’s a vet where you know what you are getting
He’s a risk just like a rookie would be
And there’s a few rookies or 2020 prospects I think I would rather have
There’s NFL film on him now good and bad. No college prospect has that. I’m not calling for us to trade for him, I’m just pointing out another QB option we keep hearing about.
I don’t know Tim
After a season with a bad cardinals team where he was sacked over 40 times, I kind of view him as somenone you are starting from scratch with
So what’s the forgiveness for DV? Apparently if you’re the Chiefs, it’s about 5 years…..
Huh?
Beat up his gf, and kicked off Michigan team. Just funny they cut Hunt for much less, then back the Brinks truck up for him
Oh wasn’t aware but DV through me off.
It took me a minute too
Domestic violence
I didn’t know that about him
It’s weird, given they cut hunt last season
I guess the forgiveness varies by position…lol
Sorry guys. I did M’s pet peeve and abbreviated. LOL
I just didn’t know that abbreviation “DV”
I was thinking you meant he worked for the DMV and your license renewal experience was really bad
Pig — If I was GM Kareem Hunt would be on the Phins. Every team passed on the waiver wire. Yeah was bad….. but figured by the time the suspension was over no one would be caring that much after he did his time.
I think the Chiefs cut Hunt because he lied to them about it. They probably would have worked with him being suspended and whatever legal stuff he was going through. He told the team it never happened.
As for Clark, his was in college and played for Seattle for 4 seasons in the NFL. It seems nobody cared about it.
Stanger, Hunt is on the Browns suspended for 8 games.
Know that Tim — was a big part of my point. Would have grabbed him off the wire in a second at the time.
Oh I thought you meant sign him now. I don’t think Grier and Flores wanted to start off with that story instead of focusing on rebuilding the team.
Like Tim said, it would be quite the controversy but I start with
I would pass on Hunt
We have a couple of good RBs
Yep. The Browns have plenty of divas on the team to distract from Hunt
Tim — He was on the waiver wire like last October or such. Was not a Ray Rice thing. At the time was seeing 6-8 games suspension and most of all one of the NFLs best RBs on a rookie contract.
My perspective on players is that a player that commits a crime, especially a violent one they are both extremely selfish, but they are bound to repeat things because in the core of who you are as a person, you know thats a line not to cross and if they can cross it, all it takes is similar conditions and they will cross it again.
Thats not to say that a person cant learn from a mistake, grown and put it behind them, BUT everything they do after should be closely investigated to see just how past their past they are. In the case of Hunt vs Clark, id be more inclined to give Clark the chance to be past his past than Hunt, simply from the fact of 1) There seemed to be accountability and contrition for his act, and 2) He has remained clean since. Hunt has done neither, and the fact he initially like and said it didn’t happen really feels like there is more of a chance for re-occurrence.
Its a bad look either way, but i think Clark seems more like he has paid his dues.
Piggy, what do you think of my 4:03 post? How would you feel about that?
Does it abolish bacon?
This post?
Tim Knight says:
April 23, 2019 at 4:03 pm (Edit)
Not only would it not surprise me, but I’d be fine with it – drafting all lineman first 3 picks in any order but I think it would be 2 DL and 1 OL. I’d prefer to have the trenches upgraded and sound before “the big” QB. No idea what we’ll do but this wasn’t surprise me at all.
Tim Knight says:
April 23, 2019 at 4:03 pm
Not only would it not surprise me, but I’d be fine with it – drafting all lineman first 3 picks in any order but I think it would be 2 DL and 1 OL. I’d prefer to have the trenches upgraded and sound before “the big” QB. No idea what we’ll do but this wasn’t surprise me at all.
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Then I take you like my mock draft for our Phins?!!
Yes or something like that. I’m not getting into specific prospects because I don’t know who is high on our board. But the strategy makes sense. I do more positional mocks in case you haven’t noticed. Like within our first 5 picks if we don’t make trades 2 DL, 2OL and 1 QB. Not sure in what order. This draft happens to have value for us at positions of need. Drafting for need is fine if the value is there. It’s when you reach for need that’s not a good practice.
ElephantRider says:
April 23, 2019 at 4:50 pm
Sorry guys. I did M’s pet peeve and abbreviated. LOL
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Hey, “DV” is something I thought we ALL knew, in all seriousness. I got ya the first time I read ya.
I use it almost every day, but it’s “Distance Vision”, not domestic violence
I thought it was Dinosaur Vagina
Stanger, I know the Hunt scenario. I thought you were unaware that he was signed. I misunderstood what you meant. It’s all good.
stangerx says:
April 23, 2019 at 5:20 pm
Tim — He was on the waiver wire like last October or such. Was not a Ray Rice thing. At the time was seeing 6-8 games suspension and most of all one of the NFLs best RBs on a rookie contract.
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How is this not a “Ray Rice thing”, I ask? Yes, I’m playing devil’s advocate, of course. DV is DV, in the eyes on Emperor Goodell. We continue to see things play inconsistently under the Emperor’s decision making, from suspending people who aren’t convicted by the law, to not suspending people who have been convicted by the law.
#FireGoodell!
Both were unnecessary violence towards women, but I watched both tapes and decided one was not as severe as the other. And so did Emperor Goodell. Do you think what Hunt did was worse? And for sure what both did were very bad, but do you think what Hunt did worse or at least the same?
I call INCONSISTENCY, my friend. We either tolerate DV, or we don’t. There’s no ‘middle-ground’, to be sure.
I can call out Emperor Goodell’s INCONSISTENCIES.
M13 — you can call out whatever you want. I just happen to think there is a difference btwn an unasked for kiss and rape. So sometimes I do see a middle ground…. even if both of those are wrong.
Tim
Most of my mocks have been 2 DL and an OL with the first 3 picks
I’ve always liked It when teams build to make units better or with a focus in mind – like building up front
The only scenario I wouldn’t love that if it we passed on Haskins to take one of those positions
Other than that, I’m pretty sure 13 should be OL, DL or Edge
And the early rounds should follow that
I don’t really want to draft skill positions or LB or DBs this year
Not early anyway
I think a DE/LB hybrid is definitely on the table like Hollins or Sutton Smith.
I don’t think LB is really an option
Or not the way I traditionally look at LB
But I do think guys up front you can move around makes sense
Anyone read this? Wonder if Haskins father is part of the reason he’s perceived to be sliding a bit.
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I called Dwayne Haskins father to do a story on his NJ roots and possible return to #Giants. Here is the strange conversation we had before he hung up on me. A taste of what reporting is like: nj.com/giants/2019/04… #nfldraft #nyg #nygiants
Seems like 2 of this years top QBs have helicopter parents.
stangerx says:
April 23, 2019 at 5:47 pm
M13 — you can call out whatever you want. I just happen to think there is a difference btwn an unasked for kiss and rape. So sometimes I do see a middle ground…. even if both of those are wrong.
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RULES/LAW are the RULES/LAW, MR. Stanger. I’m not talking about Joe Biden (as I assume you’re referring to), I’m talking about Emperor Goodell’s NFL ‘Laws of Justice’… and all of it’s INCONSISTENCIES, sir.
You can talk about whatever you want, but don’t put things on me that have not said. What did say was what Rice was caught on tape doing was worse than what Hunt was on tape doing. And that thought — like Goodell — that Rice’s punishment should be more severe than Hunt’s. Do you agree with that or not agree? Or feel free to go on to something else. But please do not put whatever that is on me while you use your caps button.
I used the word “assume”, as you seemed to reference the recent “anasked for kiss(es)” regarding Joe Biden. Apologies if that’s what ya weren’t going for. Aside from that, I don’t really know what you were referring to with “anasked for kiss”.
Goodell publicly stated that he’s taking DV VERY SERIOUSLY (caps or not, from me).
Do you understand what I’m trying to say?
You seem to think that I’m attacking YOU, Stanger… I am NOT! I’m attacking Emperor Goodell.
Well then go attack Goodell all you want. Would have been nice if you answered my Q (since agreed with him on this one), but perfectly happy to leave it btwn you and him and me not involved.
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WTF Perkins…
I thought DV stood for Dinosaur Vagina…. thats generally what i mean when i use that acronym
Incidentally, go back and read all the comments using DV as Dinosaur Vagina and it reads completely different.
As far as abbreviation goes…
My B!
“MB”
Mercedes Benz
Milton Bradley
I thought I was already pushing it with B
stangerx says:
April 23, 2019 at 5:20 pm
Tim — He was on the waiver wire like last October or such. Was not a Ray Rice thing. At the time was seeing 6-8 games suspension and most of all one of the NFLs best RBs on a rookie contract.
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How is this not a “Ray Rice thing”, I ask? Yes, I’m playing devil’s advocate, of course. DV is DV, in the eyes on Emperor Goodell. We continue to see things play inconsistently under the Emperor’s decision making, from suspending people who aren’t convicted by the law, to not suspending people who have been convicted by the law.
#FireGoodell!
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Ya know what they say about playing devils advocate right? Its just way to state a potentially unpopular opinion while leaving yourself a back door.
I do believe in consistency in punishment, and yes we have already seen a good deal of inconsistency in the punishments through the different cases, but i will say that Ray Rices back hand knocking his gf completely unconscious and then him kicking at her to get her to get up before dragging her out of the elevator does seem to me to be a bit more drastic evidence and something that could not be ignored than what was there in the Hunt case.
Is the Hunt case anymore ok, no because violence against women shouldn’t have an acceptable level nor gradients of levels in between. There needed to be punishment and severe enough to lave a mark,but even in society Murder 1 doesn’t care the same punishment in all cases across the US, so you can expect a little variance in here until there comes at least a base punishment in the conduct policy to build off of.
Hunt’s biggest mistake was that he didn’t let his friends pull him away as they were trying real hard to do, but guess he found a hole in the defense on that one. Think the punishment was fair given what he did do.
stangerx says:
April 23, 2019 at 6:10 pm
Well then go attack Goodell all you want. Would have been nice if you answered my Q (since agreed with him on this one), but perfectly happy to leave it btwn you and him and me not involved.
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I’ll gladly answer your question, my friend. What’s the difference between 2nd and 3rd degree murder? A murder occurred.
So murder is bad…. got it. Thanks M-13.
From what I have heard is ARZ isn’t willing to take a 3rd for Rosen. My guess is if nothing gets done prior to the draft or during the 1st and then the 2nd, they eventually take a 3rd on day two. If they take Murray of course. I don’t see them both existing on the same team. Makes no sense.
How about a 3rd and Reshad?
I think with Reshad they have to want him and take on that contract. He’s not an easy trade and probably why it hasn’t happened.
Stanger,
I’m just pressing you on what I feel is BS from Roger Goodell. And I’m not pressing you because I disagree with you (I actually DO agree with you!), I’m pressing you because I respect you, man!
I want the TRUTH! And I hope my pressing of you helps to uncover the TRUTH! You KNOW I respect the heck out you, man!!! 🙂
Some will call me bi-polar, but I’m not. I just sometimes have to play ‘devil’s advocate’ with an intelligent cat like you, sir.
If ya don’t believe me, YES… what Ray Rice did was FAR worse than what had happened with Kareem Hunt.
If you agree with me then seems all is cool. And I don’t know that the truth is on any of this. Can only go by the vids and the articles. If you want my opinion on something please just ask though. More than happy to offer.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jimmy-fallon-bernie-sanders-old-town-road-parody
That was awesome. Think as we get closer to Nov 2020 the conservative folks are going to get less and less unhappy about the late night folks going after Trump. And in the run-ups going be the Dems in the news.
Fallon is a talented dude.
I think Drake and Ballage along with a grinder to smash it inside a few times per game could be a really good backfield.
take your pick:
Neither looks like a bowling ball…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpVTP41Tpqc
The way I see it is, Republicans with the exception of a few idiots who say stupid things, are just laying low and allowing the far left of the Democratic Party to freak the entire country out with anti-American rhetoric.
The way I see it is both parties are completely worthless, Congress needs to be wrapped in shrink wrap, hermetically sealed and pushed into the ocean and we need to start all over again with some REAL people; not these frickin morons.
If you seal the plastic, they will float. Need to make them sink.
Lol
Two factions of children yelling at each other while nothing getting done.
well, the purpose or should I say “M.O.” of both parties is to create chaos and then put themselves out there as the only ones who can solve the chaos for us poor Americans who are so helpless.
Lol. I should have thought about the floating thing. Especially with all the hot air inside that plastic. They may float away like a balloon.
LMAO!!! No plastic in the ocean though. Just feed them to sharks and other marine life.
Very true.
Piggy, my mocks seem to come up same as well. 2 DL/DE and 1 OL with first 3 picks.
Wyoming, I don’t want one of these early QB’s. If we draft one at all this year, I hope it is Minschew!
I would love to see us build the trenches and land a mid or late round sleeper QB. It would be fun and would change how things have gone for this team. We could use some good fortune like that. New England South. 😉
It all starts up front.
so would I and I also would love to see us go into this draft without needing to get our franchise qb. think about a scenario where we trade back and take Simmons, giving us at least a 3rd and we give up a 3rd to ARI to get Rosen. How great would that be?
there’s a lot of talent to be had on the offensive line and yesterday I was hearing how some GM’s feel the meat of the draft is in rounds 2 to 4 and it sure looks that way.
Some would say it all starts with the QB . . .
Only some named Mike ..
Dwayne Haskins pops said you aren’t qualified to write that😂
It doesn’t start there, that’s the final touch. If you don’t support your franchise QB you go 8-8, 8-7, 6-10 and 8-8.
Not so Phelon – If you’re rebuilding your team, you have the #1 pick, and you have a QB and a LT rated similarly, you don’t have either at the time who do you take?
Is this a trick question?
Depends on the prospects available….for example you have Jake Long and Jamarcus Russell to pick from, who do you take? Or if you have Andrew Luck or Luke Joekel to pick from, who do you pick?
he DID say you have them rated equally.
I was just bustin’ your balls
Having your QB just makes everything soooooo much easier…
It does but not always. See Dan Marino in his young prime from 86-89. 😦
Think about him on a good balanced team during that era.
That’s exactly what I’m talking about. I use GB as an example all the time. These are 3-4 win teams without these guys. ARod got his ring and GB are usually a perennial contender. But without him they are terrible.
I don’t want that type of team though. Everything is all wrapped in one guy, the QB.
I am just soooooooo glad we didn’t get involved in going after any of these high priced free agents or player trades.
Are we talking about just your QB you are going with or an elite QB?
If you have an elite QB, he will cover up alot of stuff until you get all the pieces.
PP,
Peoples is 5’9″ 222 and Gallaspy is 5’11” 235. Gallaspy had 18 td’s last year, 4.97 ypc and he’s a tough goal line runner. You get all the way down there and you’re just able to punch it in anytime you want or have that ability to do so and it’s tough to defend.
They need to get more rotund.
I’m not worried about that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKzKrxbOph4
Keith Byers-esque
Jesus, you guys are getting punchy. Thursday can’t come quick enough. Lol
Dear God, please hear my plea and ignore these others!
DO NOT allow one year wonder / future bust QB from big 10 Ohio to be selected by the Miami dolphins.
Just as I asked, no need to twist the question. You have both players rated at about 6.3. No tricks. Do you take the QB or the LT?
QB
If we targeted a QB in the first round
I still think we have day 2 and day 3 to improve the OL
And that will go a long way to the foundation of a good team
Defensively we have some good young pieces
I worry about our pass rush and generally our DL
But if we can bring in a QB and OL this draft, that will be a great draft
On the other hand so will getting better up front and thinking about QB next year
I really think we have the beginnings of a good, young defense. 2 or 3 more pieces, and we could be really good in a few years. Edge rusher is paramount this year or next.
I think so too
But the 2-3 pieces we need (pass rusher) are big ones to be missing
Piggy,
I agree. The nice thing is that there are usually a few high end pass rushers available every draft. You can find them in the draft, and it doesn’t necessarily have to be a top 10 pick. If it were me, I’d probably draft 3 or 4 over the next couple years.
Although I’d rather a scenario where we were able to retain our first, get Rosen, and take a DL in the first I wouldn’t be disappointed if we took Haskins #13 if he were to fall there.
There is absolutely NO doubt he has the highest ceiling of any of the qb’s in this draft and while Murray may be the better athlete, he is the better quarterback talent. If you watched him progress from his 2017 season and throughout the 2018 season and saw him grow into the position and mature at it you could see how good he was going to be. And, if you watch how he explains plays and what he was looking at with a defense and what he was doing on the play and see the execution, his understanding of what is going on there is no doubt he will excel at the next level.
every time Rosen is brought up someone always points out that the team didn’t like him last year and although that may be true, it’s a different time and a different place.
this year we’ve got a new OC who was a quarterbacks coach. then we have Caldwell. and McKenzie. it’s very possible O’Shea or Caldwell or both said “I’d love the opportunity to work with Rosen. he’s got what I’m looking for”.
so, just because we didn’t like him last year it could just be that Gase didn’t want to work with him and that was it because Grier did say in his pre-draft presser that he would never force a player on a coach.
In terms of a trade
Any idea what the cards want?
I don’t have a clue. The topic came up again when King said nobody has shown more interest in Rosen than we have and gave a scenario where ARI picks Murray and we call and offer a 3rd for Rosen and it’s all they got. I’d even be okay if we gave up our 2020 1st to be honest. As long as we’re not touching picks this year unless it is in the 3rd because we could possibly recoup that with a trade down.
I’d give this year’s second round pick for Rosen. I went and watched film of his games because I really had no clue how he actually played. He had an uneven rookie season, but the kid has talent. He throws a very pretty ball. He made rookie mistakes like being late on throws and screwing up protections, but he was a rookie. I think he’s a better talent than any QB in this draft.
I did the same thing you did. he definitely has the talent and what I think a lot of people miss where he is concerned is he is super athletic. he’s a world class tennis player too. so, he’s got some wheels.
but, yeah, I agree. he throws a very pretty ball. some of those throws down the right sideline dropping dimes between defenders were really nice. he needs to learn from his mistakes but I think our team is the perfect place for him.
Tim Knight says:
April 23, 2019 at 4:17 pm
One thing I’ll say about Josh Rosen because he’s in the news a lot and they show a lot of his highlights, he throws a nice ball. Very good arm and he’s mobile enough. The question about him is can he be a leader, can he be durable and take his game to a top level?
Everyone ready to have their hopes and dreams crushed again on Thursday?
there’s only 1 thing that will crush mine. Daniel Jones
There is no QB I am really sold on in this year’s draft. To me Jones is no different than any of the other top 3 or 4 QBs. Next year I think Tua, Herbert and Fromm are better than anyone in this year’s class
not sure about Fromm but Tua plays on a team that has way more talent then there opponents, so it’s hard to gauge…he’s also a lefty, other than Stabler i can’t think of any left handed qb worth a damn. Hebert had a not so good comp %.
Haskins may be better than the whole bunch IMO
Boomer Esiason was a lefty
I think head to head Haskins compares favorably to Herbert. I think a lot of people are discounting his improvement from ’17 to ’18 and over the course of the season. If he had another season to compete I’m sure he’d be up there in the conversation with all of those other qb’s who should be in the draft next year. Especially if he had another really good season with the loss of talent his team will be losing on offense.
Lou:
I agree that Haskins with one more good year could be a top flight pick. I would still put him behind the 3? I named but it wouldn’t be much separating them
I would be disappointed if we gave up anything for Rosen, he’s not a good QB, why do you think the cards want to dump him? I would very much rather draft our own QB this year or next instead of taking a hand me down.
Because I don’t think Kingsbury knows what he is doing
they went 3-13, 55% compl pct, 11Tds 15 picks with fitzgerald as a rec!
Fitzgerald is almost old enough for a dirt nap. The team was in turmoil. Their best player was on IT and their OL was terrible. Too soon to give up on Rosen. That said I wouldn’t mortgage the future on him either but I would take him over Kyler Murray in a heartbeat
I think the plan is to build a team for the future…..
No high-priced free agents, get rid of over priced contracts/underperformance for picks, including future picks….then the draft.
I could see us doubling down on the DL/DE and even going all in on defense to build/add pieces to the nice pieces we already have on defense. Wherever we find value on the defense to meet our needs. Then, next year go all in on O.
We do need a O right tackle…..and better OL over all.
But O is next year with more picks.