Today HOF Miami Dolphins LB Nick Buoniconti passed away. He was the leader of the “No Name Defense” that helped the Dolphins win two Super Bowls. He was a very charitable, impressive individual outside of sports. He will be sorely missed.
RIP Nick Buoniconti
So training camp is here and I’ve failed to feel any excitement other than the dact that it started. I don’t think it’s the team’s fault necessarily, i think it’s just the nature of practices, how short they are, and how much less physical they have to be to meet today’s safety standards. We also had one of our coaches fired this week, pretty odd at this juncture. You could look at this a few different ways. If you want the positive spin, it’s great that Flores recognized a deficiency early enough and immediately took action. Some guys may have waited around to see if there was any improvement which could easily have cost us some poor play early on. Also on a positive spin, putting the O-line in the hands of Dave DeGuglielmo is a good thing as he is a very experienced coach, coaching since 2004. If you want to look at the negative side, Flaherty wasn’t a great hire for the rookie Head Coach Flores. He was also previously the O-line coach in 2017 for the Dolphins and I needn’t remind you we were awful as per usghe at that time. In any case, let’s hope for the best in this regard.
I was hoping to see some player really show well, and so far it’s just been a whole lot of “eh”. We signed former Jacksonville Jaguars WR Allen Hurns, who played briefly last year for the Cowboys. I really liked Hurns when he was tearing up the league along with Allen Robinson at Jacksonville. If we get something close to that Allen Hurns we did very well. I was unrealistically hoping for a strong start from QB Josh Rosen. I didn’t really expect it this early but was hoping for a surprise. Instead we found out he never had to identify the MLB in any stop in his football career. Seems so odd to me, I thought it was a given. This doesn’t make him any less a QB, but just something he will need to learn, and Josh Rosen has been a player who studies the game, so bet on him getting this down, as well as the offense too.
Anyone think maybe Charles Harris would be tearing things up? Another thing I hoped for, but it’s very early yet, and he’s going to have a chance to make some hay as the preseason games begin 8/8, just a week and a half away! One guy who the coaches seem to be very high on early on is LB Jerome Baker. He’s going to be an impact player, taking off from where he left last year. He can do it all, run, tackle, cover and rush the passer and he will be asked to do all of those things. An early revelation has Minkah playing mostly slot corner, but I would think by the time the season starts, he will be doing a lot more as he did last season. As long as he’s doing things he’s great at, let it happen.
Things I look for to change in the next couple of weeks. I want Gug’s to try and find that starting 5 as quickly as he can and get them playing together as much as possible. I think the earlier we do that the better chance we have of having a cohesive unit out there. I also want to see guys take step forward, especially the aforementioned Charles Harris and Josh Rosen. Whether Rosen begins the season as the starter is not crucial to me, but to know he’s good enough to do so if needed is. I would really like it if he makes leaps and bounds in understanding the offense and making better throws under duress. If he doesn’t accomplish this, we may not see him this year as a starter unless of course something happens to Fitz or he just plays awful, neither of which I want to see.Training camp runs until Aug 6th, and then our forst game action as I mentioned will be August 8th at home against Atlanta.
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I thought somewhere it says that one man’s freedom ends where another man’s rights begin.
Only if you respect the other mans freedoms!
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I just feel we are wussy to just give up and let psychos bully us while we cower and don’t try to find a solution.
Cancer kills only a few people every year. Most people don’t get it. But cigarette smoking is known to raise the odds of getting cancer, so we have laws that restrict its use so that those who wish to protect themselves from it can do so without having to get into a fistfight with someone who wants to smoke.
So we keep cigarette smoke out of places prone to fires like theatres, and we keep it away from those most susceptible to its damage such as hospitals, and we keep them away from those least likely to use good judgement about them such as school children.
This is done without depriving anyone of the right to smoke at home or to own personal smoking paraphernalia.
Why can’t we investigate guns the same way and restrict them from certain places, people, and situations most conducive to misuse that results in the slaughter of innocent people just out shopping, going to concerts, or worshiping God?
Oh Boy !! As a chain smoking Canadian who really tries to be respectful of non smoking people there is so many ways I could go on this .. but I see and respect your feelings as to where you are Wanting to go with this .. 😳 especially with your personal reasons and situation..
Naples, allowing government to get into every fabric of our lives is a slippery slope. A very small minority of people effect the lives of the rest of us. Like I said before, I don’t have all the answers, but at least many of us care about it.
Video games and slasher films absolutely teach kids that violence is a viable means to solve problems and a heroic way to disagree with people who hold different political ideas or come from different racial stock.
That right there would be a good place to begin doing what you say about raising children better.
I think a bigger effect of the video game violence is that it de sensitizes our feelings as to how Bad or acceptable this behaviour is.. prior to video games and 24-7 web access we used to be appalled when we heard of mass killings.. these days it is not even news worthy unless the #’s are astronomically HUGE enough to cause shock .. someone kills 2 people and gets shot down by police or kills himself is barely newsworthy anymore.. <<. That is sad …
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Are you afraid of slipping on a slope?
People scale cliffs, tracks on bull dozers traverse all terrain, boats float.
I’m not afraid of tackling the task of determining how to negotiate a slippery slope.
We have thousands of geniuses we can put to work on any task we want to work on.
We only can’t solve problems we never try to solve.
So we should give up out of fear we might go too far?
All of you can tell me right now how far is too far.
That’s no mystery. Just don’t go too far. Not really hard to manage that at all.
How dare anyone on this board judge me and my response to this sickness. Fuck you.
People have died today in TX, USA. And, in the USA, it happens more than once a day. No where else on the planet in any other country does this hsppen.
I’m fucking proud to be part of nation that allows rampant access to military grade weapons meant for one purpose only, to kill people. It’s awesome!
At least I’m owning the results/consequences of that thinking AND I don’t even own a gun.
Embrace the slaughter. It’s our own doing.
Perhaps none of you know or understand the mythos of Krishna.
Well that seems to be for me and I don’t think I attacked you in anyway to get that sort of response. Nowhere else on the planet does this happen? That would be inaccurate because many nations don’t allow that info. to be public. There is genocide going on in many other parts of the world. Sorry you feel that way.
If you want to change the subject feel free.
OK
I see I have frightened everyone.
Sorry.
Rest in Peace.
I just don’t believe in giving up and letting the bad people win.
excuse me Krishhna.
This was not intended as a reply to your last post.
Why is it the governments responsibility to curtail this?
they are to big and not involved to effectively run this to the ground.
Hell if you go on twitter right now there are thousands of nutcases going off about white sepremists, NRA, “president oompa loompa”, and every other thing that they can whine about.
But they all appear to have some kind of mental illness to me!!!
I at least hope that we all agree that shooting 20 people qualifies you as bat shit crazy????
I don’t have the answer! But what ever it is you can bet half the people in the US will hate it!!!!
Krishna: I’m sorry I am not familiar with the “mythos of Krishna” but I have met you and the missus , and I can say I am concerned with a couple of your statement s this week including above .. they may be meant in sarcasm, I cannot tell .. this is not a disparaging or asshole question.. are you okay ?? This just seems a bit off for what I assume of your character.. please take no offence, I ask out of concern
Wyo, so what you’re saying is it doesn’t take a village and I agree to a point. But a civil society does have an impact. We are a land of laws and yes we’re also a democratic society. The problem in the USA is many people don’t adhere to our laws and think they can change things on a whim. Other nations that have a long standing culture of similar people uphold standards. Our melting pot is losing that and extreme ideologists are pushing that movement for agendas I’m not sure what their end game is. Not sure why live and let live and don’t violate the rights of others is so complicated. But apparently it is.
Not speaking to the shootings, but the disrespect that is out there is appalling!
No one respects anything anymore! I know social media is a small slice (getting bigger) of the population,but it is trash when you go to one of the trending tags!
Is that the future????
It’s pretty scary!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed.
I totally agree with that Wyo. People using social media say or type things so far over the top of civil discourse that they enrage other people thousands of miles away.
Social media prompts people to be angry at people they have never met and will never meet, so they can’t get a beer and get over it; their anger seethes and the rage builds until they snap.
Wyo: I agree that respect as a whole has gone down the shitter .. once upon a time people could/would have discussions where you would actually listen to the other persons view and then they would listen to your response.. these days it’s all about yelling louder and not allowing the other persons view to be heard .. severely pisses me off .. if I am in a conversation and get cut off once, I will attempt a second time to voice my opinion.. if i am cut short on that attempt I will not waste my breath or opinion on someone who does not Want to hear it.. maybe that makes Me the Asshole, but I don’t see it that way …
Krishnna
I for one was not impressed by your sarcastic little rant!
It was not productive, and one of the reasons that this country can’t get out of it’s own way!
Manitobafinfan…your concern for my well being is respectfully accepted.
I have come to the realization that we there is a second amendment in this country that justifies (not Canada) access to and allows military grade weapons to be had by just about everyone in our country. It’s our constitutional right (not Canada).
And, with that realization is the acceptance of its consequences. Let the manifestation of this thinking unfold to its greatest moment.
And, not to poo, poo anyone here, but when the conversation turns to video games and smoking, I am certain that manifestation will be sooner rather than later.
And, then I’m the one being asked if I’m ok?
Not trying to impress anyone….just being real. If you want to put your head in in the sand so be it.
Sarcasm aside, the consequences of our gun policies are unique and real. But, let’s put ALL the blame on who pulls the trigger. All of it!
Krishna, I don’t think I changed the subject. Murder is murder for whatever reason. You keep saying this is an exclusively USA issue as if every other country is having a picnic. Not true!
Stranger – The gun show loophole is overstated. Gun shows generally require vendors who sell guns to be FFL holders. If you are an FFL holder you must run a background on every buyer. What people confuse that with is parking lot sales between individuals.
I respectfully acknowledge your expertise and follow your explanation of the nuance, but Stanger has a valid point. He (we) are just not on the inside of the thing enough to be able to articulate it.
There IS a problem with gun shows. Many of the guns used in these atrocities are bought “legally.” Not everyone follows the law as tightly as you. They don’t in clothing sales either, but clothes don’t kill people.
Just the entire gun show phenomenon seems to romanticize gun possession as if it’s the coolest thing, as if to be a real man, you must own guns, and as if the private stockpiling of weapons is the American Dream.
At the same time, Gun Shows on tour as if they are rock concerts or the County Fair trivializes the responsibilities of gun ownership as if guns are woodworking tools. “Be careful you don’t get your hand caught in the saw.” But guns are far more dangerous than that because mistakes with guns hurt more than the clumsy owner.
The last time we had this discussion, I made sure you knew that i was never intent on impinging your gun ownership. You are a professional. I trust you with your guns. Nor would I ever subscribe to a policy that would take Wyo’s gun collection. He is a hobbyist and a collector, and I don’t mean that is a small or bad thing.
I own powerful sports cars far faster than anyone needs for transportation. People die because of idiots misusing cars. But I am a professional with fast cars and a hobbyist with my collection. So I do not think my “car obsession” is dangerous just as your and Wyo’s “gun obsession” is not dangerous. But I want the car idiots’ access to 150 MPH vehicles to be restricted from the public streets. That’s how I feel about guns.
Please forgive me if this is an example of passive aggressive. I am really trying to over come my tendency to do that. Where I was raised a long time ago, that was called being a Southern gentleman, meaning not getting all up in someone’s face during a disagreement.
The government is just a bunch of people. It is not faceless and nameless. We know who they are. They are us.
If we take the position that we all need to act independently, then we are weak, and government will crush us. We must use our government to do what we want it to do, then we will be able to get anything done we can dream of.
We have built up the greatest nation on earth by having a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. We decided against monarchy and have rejected dictatorshhip. They abuse the citizens for the benefit of the privileged few.
We can’t drop out of government. We must keep government being of people, of us, so we can keep it under control.
Term limits, balance of power, checks and balances, separation of church and state, a free and impartial news media, no one above the law, and maintaining the right to the pursuit of happiness are ways to keep government in check.
But we must participate in it to make sure it is just us. Once the government becomes different from us, it becomes a dangerous enemy that we must destroy.
So we are smart. We can figure stuff out. We can make goverment behave. We have to.
We can invent stuff and we can solve problems, as long as we don’t give up.
I agree that government is made up of us (people – citizens with families too). But something happens to those positive candidates once they get elected to Washington? What is the last great thing government has done for the people who elect them to do so?
won WW2, invented the internet, built the interstate highways, put a man on the moon, saved the eagles, rebuilt NOLA after Katrina, educated my children, eradicated smallpox, etc.
From Columbine to today and for the foreseeable future NOTHING has changed.
I think sarcasm is the least of the problem in this “debate.” Seriously???
I would be more than happy to debate this a 1000 more times, but I’ve accepted it and now it’s just time to sick back, watch, and embrace something for which I have no control or voice.
Why are teenagers and young people shooting up their own classmates and family members, never mind the crazy political radicals. The young crazed kid who shot up the black church in Charleston SC a few years ago used a hand gun. So what’s the solution with that one?
that scum used a 45 caliber Glock. That is not a hunting gun. That has only one use and that is to kill innocent people.
Access to military grade weapons in every classroom across the nation is the solution, barbed wire schools, barred windows, and locked doors.
And, don’t go to Vegas or Garlic festivals.
I know you are a smart man.
Who knows why, but I do know it wasn’t hard for him to get a gun nor was he tested nor did he have to prove proficiency or demonstrate competence with a deadly weapon.
One offs and what ifs are poor excuses for 20 years + of doing NOTHING.
Acceptance of the status quo and I’m wrong. Bitching about the existing policies and I’m wrong. LOL at the hypocrisy.
Ask Jahndoh if he or his daughter feel safe in school anymore.
I’ll ask my partner who goes to El Paso once or twice a month if he’s going to bring his AR from now on so he can be ready?
I personally do not see any reason that a regular citizen of ANY Country should have access to more powerful/deadly weapons than the police/ Armed Forces that are charged with protecting that country , are allowed access to.. again I live in a different country and your Right to Bear Arms I understand IS a basis of the foundation of the formation of your country, but it is 250ish years old.. is it unreasonable to revisit this based on current events ?? And finally Yes I get it Guns can’t kill people without people but take away some access and it MAY make a difference..
very well said
we don’t have the same weapons that the police and military can have.
If it was an AK 47 it was semi-automatic.
Police and military can carry fully-automatic.
Tim Knight, respectfully, you are wrong….please do not compare apples and oranges. Dictators murdering their own people has no place in this issue.
My comment was about more than dictators but okay. Wasn’t looking for a debate about which murders are worse.
Are you purposely being obtuse?
During his induction speech , Kevin Mawai calls for Zach Thomas to be Inducted to HOF … not 100% sure why but DILLY DILLY
He was asked who was not in that should be
Kewl thanks.
Also : thanks for the TC play by play updates earlier Much appreciated
wow that was very generous and insightful to name Zach Thomas in answer to that question.
My opinion of Mawae just went way up.
WYO: again not trying to be an ass or disrespect anyone ‘s rights.. but why would John Q Public NEED a semi automatic weapon ? We hunt up here, not myself ( shocker right 😱) but as far as I know rifles and shotguns are about all allowed, I could be wrong .., as far as personal protection goes , I would think a semi automatic would be , pardon the pun , overkill..
Actually most shotguns are Semi-auto now a days
and the make many semi-auto rifles that are set up for hunting.
I don’t own any. But that’s because I’m a cheap bastard!
You take away one way of mass killing and they will always find another way of killing people. Address the problem not the weapon. Everyone jumps on the ban weapons ideology when some fuck nut shoots innocent people but nobody addresses the mental problems of the killers.
You can’t kill 57 people with a knife from a upper story in a high rise casino hotel.
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100% agree that banning weapons will not eliminate the issue.. Fucktards will be Fucktards .. and yes again, they would likely find another way .. helping to fix their issues is a whole other can of worms.. IE : how do you know they have a problem BEFORE they snap and go postal
Wow! Yeah I’m being crazy aren’t I? Throwing out ideas and being called out for what exactly? That I don’t like what’s happening either?
Your not being called out!
Stress levels are just running high!
Well the only shiny little diamond in the bottom of the septic tank is he did it in Texas!
He’ll get the needle!!!!
Naples, some handguns are for defense against monsters who roam amongst us. I’m not a gun guy, I have fired them but it’s not my thing. It’s not about the weapon. Planes and bombs do more damage than guns.
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IDEAS….that’s an idea! And, since the sarcasm is going over everyone’s head, I will say this another way.
I challenge every gun loving owner/enthusiast/collector/hunter to do something about wacko white guys using military assault weapons to kill innocent people.
Write/vote/provide IDEAS to your rep to fix this NOW. It is unique to this country on this planet. Doing nothing and accepting the status quo means you’re ok with and accept the consequences of these policies. After all, it keeps being defended. I cannot reconcile in my mind how it could be any other way.
Therefore, in my mind, if I accept the nation’s current gun policies, I must ACCEPT the carnage these policies have allowed.
Embrace it and be joyful in the manifestation. True Agape!
And, if your rep doesn’t listen to your voice/request, vote them out and find someone who will. I’m appalled how long this has gone on and not ONE thing has been done to stop it. Not one.
Acceptance is the only true path.
Not another word from me about this.
I’m a legal gun owner and a collector so because some fucktard shoots innocent people I should hand over my legally owned fire arms ? Guess who will have access to weapons after that. The same dickholes that commits these crimes.
Oh .. And I smoke as well 🖕🖕
It’s a faux solution. But it’s about elections.
My wife has a great pressure cooker but she did not hand it in after the Boston marathon bombing.
I get it, man.
The 21 year old white male domestic terrorist from the Dallas area is the , El Paso shooter.
He put out a manifesto before the shooting, ranting about immigrant hate, looked like a trump rally speech, but he was obviously a magaidiot inspired by someone who is always spouting immigrant hate all the time, not sure why the Ohio shooting last night was inspired by
2 mass shootings in 24 hours, what is being done to stop it, nothing?
This has to stop, promoting and encouraging domestic terrorism by enflaming the right wing nuts with daily hate makes the president partially responsible too
Hate, has consequences, 3 mass shootings in one week, and after the El Paso shooting trump was tweeting about a UFC fight his son’s were going to
I will never absolve the shooters for the blame, nor the NRA, nor the president, it’s a deadly combination
32 mass shootings this year, and we are doing nothing but encouraging hate and ignoring gun control
We now live in a banana republic led by an authoritarian strongman
Trump should be impeached immediately , the blood of Americans is on his hands, and more Americans will die because of more trump supporters encouraged by Trumps hate and division.
Nothing was done to stop the shootings except tweet about UFC fights? Omg, how can anyone ever support trump and his divisive hate , that inspires retarded trump supportwrs to murder Americans?
The blind support of trump also closes innocents eyes. Enough of this shit, we need gun control and a uniting president to inspire us, not devour us
We arrest a shooter, but don’t do anything for the guy that inspired him.
I’m sure someone won’t like what I have to say, but I say it for the victims , who are not here anymore to say it
Garlic festival in California, el Paso hate crime by white male domestic terrorist, and the Ohio shootings, a week of blood and murder on American streets. And the twitter idiot is talking aboutnUFC fights and bitching at minority reporters, hopefully not inspiring the next shootings?
Daily hate and fearmonfering inspires hate, violence, murder, and domestic terrorism
I will get accused of politicisizing, but the politicizing was done by Trump in the El Paso hate crime
Now it’s time to say enough
And remove the ringleader of hate and death to Americans
White domestic terrorists kill far more in the US than Mexicans or muslims, we have to stop inspiring them even if we have to remove the banana republic strong man by impeachment
Trump has made the country divisive and dangerous, our families are NOT safe, and there is a UFC fight going on somewhere for the distraction?
trump lives in a protective bubble of secret service agents, he can say whatever he wants, and domestic terrorists cannot really threaten him
but us? we have no secret service protection, and our children could be murdered in school , our friends murdered at walmart or food festivals, or just about anywhere in the US over the last year of 32 mass shootings and murders.
we have to depend on the dude who is in no danger,
to understand what we are going through, and enact policies to make it better, SMH
he doesnt understand or represent anyone but himself and his cronies
and just like vietnam he is ducking this war too
Krishna is correct, We the people are part of government also, We need to contact our state representatives and let them know how we feel.on the 32 mass shootings and murders in the last 7 months.
we need an adult at the white house who can stop it and make America safe again
there can be no MAGA , without MASA first!
trumptards need to turn their brains on the next time they vote, votes can have deadly consequences, and unfortunately all or us reap what the trumptards sow
i warned everyone 4 years ago this would happen, all i got was o not it wont,
i WISH i was wrong, but the American hating dictator got in anyhow
all the trump voters are part of the problem
next time vote for someone that wants to HELP this country, not encourage the domestic terrorists!
Krishna makes a lot of good points.
what need for anyone to have an assault rifle is there? would you go hunting with one? would you use it for home defense? i would think a hand gun would be better for that as it’s not bulky like a rifle.
they are good for only one thing… mass shootings.
much agreed!
I see Dayton has now had a mass shooting. What do you think the odds are that it was someone on the extreme right? Why does it always seem to be someone on the extreme right? Ah, well.. Thoughts and prayers.
trump tweets while America burns
magaidiot, trumptards
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FUCK YOU DAVID!!!! You are another mental case who should not be able to own fire arms. Based on your some of your crazy posts that come from far left field and your 5 yo childish rants, I truly believe this. I knew you would be the first retard to blame Trump like he was the one who wrote the 2nd Amendment.
It’s far left fucks like you who spew so much hate causing more division and panic in the public which pushes nut jobs like this to snap.
Toba said this as part of a comment last night “.. these days it’s all about yelling louder and not allowing the other persons view to be heard .. “. First thing I thought of was you. You are just as crazy as that fucktard shooter. People like you are part of the problem. Dipshit!!!
all the trump voters are part of the problem
next time vote for someone that wants to HELP this country, not encourage the domestic terrorists!
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This is what I am talking about. It’s FUCKTARDS like you who spew this ridiculous shit that has caused the division and nut jobs to act out. YOU are the fucking problem! I was going to say this will go in one ear and out the other with you but your skull is to fucking think for it to even get in. Crawl under your rock and get ready for another 4 years dipshit!
Thick not think
my anger isnt against You, its against the terrorirists that are murdering innocents, and the president that inspires them with weaponized hate and racism mixed with lies against women, minorities, press, political opponents.
i understand everyone should be angry about the mass shootings.
the mourning in my soul is for all Americans, including You, that we are all living in a country with daily mass shootings, and our children are not safe.
someone needs to stop the senseless murders now, tweeting about ufc fights isnt the answer IMO
how can WE stop the mass shootings?
OK
One more thought and I’m out of this conversation!
Because I’m not going to fall for your over the top woes me rants!
I did my fucking part!
I brought a human into this world I instilled love in his heart and respect in his attitude!
He has no prejudices! He is a kinder person than I will ever be!
I have absolutely no worries about him grabbing one of his guns and going out to kill people!
So the rest of you Mother Fuckers could just do the same, I reckon we wouldn’t be in this situation!
Rant about Guns all you want but it’s exactly your fucking attitude why we can’t do a FUCKING thing about anything in this country!!!!!!!!!!
Go ahead and flush the fucking toilet!
I don’t need anyone to survive! Can you say the same??????
no, their are deaths and blood in the streets in Dayton and El Paso right now
the president HAS to do something besides tweet about nonsense
Trump has ZERO responsibility to raise descent human beings!
And I follow him on twitter so I see what he tweets!
Then I hear 100,000 people spew something that he didn’t say!
I’m not buying the rhetoric this morning!
he has a constitutional and moral responsibility to all Americans,
HE can make efforts to stop the shootings, and needs to,
before more innocents die with murderers posting manifestos that look like trump rally transcripts
president that inspires them with weaponized hate
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No, it’s people like you, your FAR LEFT politicians and leftist media who spew bullshit to cause panic, disruption and throw gas on the fire.
disagreed, my words come now, too late and have no significance
quit defending the man who CAN do something, and isnt, he is the president, and his daily hate and fearmongering of AMericans is what inspirted the el paso shootings, i never disparage immigrants or mexicans
when will the president stop the mass shootings? i will do my part of contacting the state senators and reps
how many Americans need to die, before trump makes EVERY effort he can to stop them?
“my words come now, too late and have no significance”.
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Your words never have significance!
You can’t stop them, moron. It won’t stop until people like you and your far left fucktards stop causing the panic. Your fucktard politicians try to block everything he wants to do for the country even if it is a great idea to fix something. Again, people like you are the problem.
Based on the stupid shit you just said, we need to make 327.2 million Trump clones so they can keep an eye on every single American. Maybe add another 12 mil clones to watch the illegals.
im not the one saying stupid shit, the president is
research the el paso shootings
the president has the power to begin fixing the problem, he is in a position of power, and his hateful lies have tremendous significance and consequences, ours do not
the president needs to make every effort to make America safe from murdering terrorists, and now is the time
if we had a good president, it would be top priority, and he or she wouldnt do it alone, they would encourage all of congress and staff to start making concrete steps asap to halt the senseless terrrorist attacks against innocent people
that is the kind of leadership we need, and trump wont do it
if any president fails his or her duty, vote them out
Think about this..
What would be the response to a black man with an AR-15 shooting up a big fat MAGA event? Do you think the Whiny little bitch would tweet about the UFC event? Or, maybe tweet “Send Them Back”? Would he pat the old boys on the back for every Mexican, Brownie, or Muslim that was caught, before they did something wrong.
Yes, I am angry. This president is playing the People with Social Media literally in his back pocket. This is not really about guns, thats the decoy. It is about a society that is under ATTACK by the Mega-Wealthy with control over military weapons grade software that is running rampant on social software platforms. If someone is in your head telling you all day, that you are poor white trash. That the Brown people are here and living YOUR american dream. That they are sucking up all YOUR hard earned tax dollars, and that THEY hate america. What would any dumbass white boy do… But those tables can be just as easily turned.
Imagine a hostile country, taking this approach… or military complex… or a bunch of rich folks wanting to keep the rebels busy killing each other, while they rake in the money for themselves. It is happening right now under our noses.
I too am done saying God Bless those poor souls that died. Our prayers fall on deaf ears. It is time for a revolution in this country. I do not own a gun, I support freedom, I participate in local politics, I organize and I vote.
To Hell with the spineless politcians in Washington. Those bought and sold like cattle by PAC’s. It is time to move on.
OK
Maybe I’m not done!
I’ve never been a racist! My parents taught me to respect everyone until they proved me wrong!
But every time I hear WHITE sepremist, Black Activist, Brown invader Yellow Invader it plants a little seed in my brain!
And it has been growing very well for about 12 years!
All the seeds that you plant will grow and grow and grow!
I’m tired of hearing about color!
Trump doesn’t tweet about color! I follow him! I see what he tweets!
Maybe if the people who are pushing the color o a person would shut the fuck up! it would slide back into the background and we can move forward!
Because I know I’m tired of being called all those fancy names you have for Conservatives these days!
Wyo… I follow him! I see what he tweets!
More people need to understand what social media is and how it is being used as a weapon to manipulate society.
Well you have to teach your kids what’s real and whats not for that to happen!
To Hell with the spineless politcians in Washington. Those bought and sold like cattle by PAC’s. It is time to move on.
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agreed, its people like Moscow Mitch that are bought and sold, He wouldnt even let the republican controlled senate vote on 2 different bills to protect the elections against foreign interference, the day after Mueller testimony the Russians are trying to interfere right now in the 2020 election.
the russkies are funding an aluminum plant in Kentucky, and helping Moscow Mitch get reelected
they need more tin foil for their heads, and handcuffs for their wrists
David… for every Mitch there is a Democrat sucking the tit of a wealthy donor too.
i have noticed that as well, its time to vote them out
Moscow Mitch???
Disrespect at every turn!
Maybe if the whole country had a little more respect for everything, that would start to include human life!
how about this great idea, can the president make every effort to stop the mass shootings, right now?
We must demand change… but focus on what change you desire… BETTER government should be the first wish… We were once the most admired country in all the world. We have now slipped to like 30 something… The world sees what we do not.
I am not sure what steps need to be taken first. But I will support any politician that makes it their pledge to get money out of politics FIRST.
AMEN to that!
same here, and we need a president with a good stable cabinet, that dont get indicted,, arrested, quit, called back, or get blamed, dehumanized, intimidated, and fired every few days
and one that never tweets
Once the money is out, you can start on the ROT.
Do not fall into their traps… This really is not a gun issue… It is money in government, Megaglobal corporations, and elitism… We all are the have not’s… and THEY would like us to continue to fight among ourselves for the scraps.
Naples – I don’t take anything you said amiss. Gun shows are not the firearms markets that most people imagine them to be. I have only gone to a gun show once to see what it was about. What guns were there were mostly more collector type (WWI/WWII era long guns) than anything else. Really was like a big flea market of accessories with very few guns. I just think that when people focus on stuff like gun shows it is a distraction from looking for causes and solutions that are achievable.
We can’t talk about it much at all if the tone is set by Krishna’s histrionics or David’s ignorance and conflation with politics. While contacting your reps is a start, you should do it when you have realistic ideas that you can offer them. Banning and confiscating isn’t going to happen, so why clamor for it? Universal background checks? Sure, but don’t expect those to stop mentally ill people from committing mass murder. Requiring training and licensing? Maybe. We could go the Israeli, Swiss or Finnish way – require everyone to serve and train, then maintain their weapons at home as a civil defense force. Or maybe we say only those who have served honorably in the military or law enforcement are allowed to own them.
ORob/Manitoba – The “I don’t see why anyone needs etc.” argument is a non-starter. You can’t impose your experiences or paradigms on the problem or on others. I don’t know why ORob needs more than one set of golf clubs or why Manitoba needs to smoke and drink Canadian beer. But that doesn’t mean they should not be able to. I hunt with an AR-15 and it is also my first choice for home defense. I only carry a pistol because that’s what is practical to conceal. The only two things worse to bring to a gunfight than a pistol are a knife and nothing.
There have not been 30+ mass murders in the last 7 months. I don’t know where David gets his data from. Maybe he imagines it. There have been 6 in the last year. Here is a tracker:
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-03/la-na-us-mass-shootings-timeline
The terms assault weapon and military grade weapons are misnomers, but we all know what kind of weapon they are used for these days. The problem is that they are not the most commonly used in mass shootings. They are simply the ones that get the most press. Just like primitive man attributed lightning to gods and demons, people who are uneducated in guns attribute super powers to this type of gun. They are not even the most effective or terrifying way to kill people. Biggest mass murder in the US outside of 9/11 and Oklahoma City is still the 1990 Happy Land fire. Where there is a will there is a way.
Krishna asked where else this kind of violence happens. Mexico, Central America, South America – all places with strict gun laws. There is only one gun store in all of Mexico. 33 people burned to death in Japan within the last month. At least three killed in Canada by thrill-killers who have not been caught yet. Canada has had three other mass murders this year. The US doesn’t even rank in the top ten for gun deaths by capital (https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-despite-gun-control-advocates-claims-u-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/).
Happy to discuss solutions and cordially disagree in the course of those discussions. But only if they are rational and factual.
Here is a better source, more data points.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/12/07/458815891/the-u-s-is-a-world-leader-in-gun-deaths
Phindog and Wyo
No one is talking about taking guns from intelligent, stable people like you.
Or the fine children you have raised.
Again, that would be like banning sex for all men because some men abused women. Stupid.
We can tell the difference between you two guys who are productive citizens and fine family men and these whackos on the fringes of society, both the Left and Right.
I wanna be the Whacko in the middle.. LOL
I once had a disagreement once with a gun owner. He stuck his handgun in my face i could still smell the burnt gunpowder from the shot in the air just before. I told him to pull the trigger. He didn’t. I was right, could have been dead… kids are basically stupid. that was 1983, seems like forever ago, in a more peaceful cross burning era.
I wasn’t even talking about guns.
I’m sickened by the lack of respect for anything these days!
It didn’t start with the shootings!
phel, im far from ignorant, it would be less pain if i were. you have nothing to attack my message, only the messenger. typical trumpie tactic
the problem is the president encourages hate and violence,and is doing NOTHING to stop the murder of innocent people
do you think the president should do something to keep America safe from mass shootings that are increasing in numbers? or wait til more die?
To me, the US has a huge gun problem.
To think otherwise is to ignore the facts. Surely it is obvious that we are seeing a rise in gun slaughters. It’s not the first time it’s happened in America, but to pretend there is no problem or shroud the issue in trivial details while doing nothing will result in huger and huger problems.
I can’t understand why we can’t just use our intelligence and our American values to do some things to improve the situation.
To me, it is like climate change. I frankly don’t care why it’s happening. It’s happening. Are we just going to sit idly by and let New York and Miami go underwater and our corn fields burn up and other dire consequences occur?
No. Let’s pump some of that excess water up onto the Sahara. Let’s plant more trees and curb the use of air pollutants and whatever else our brilliant minds can think up. To just throw up our hands and say nothing bad is happening to our environment is wimpy and dangerous.
Same with guns. No blame to the good people who own guns. But let’s think about what to do with the nutcases.
I don’t want to live in a place where significant numbers of people have access and “permission” to slaughter my wife and children while they are at the playground.
good post, the president must act now for the sake of All Americans
phel did You see two days ago where Steve Bannon said he bought the bitcoin dip, and it has a bright future, lol blah bla blah
i told You, lol
i predicted that would happen, trump and others trash BTC< and many of the millionaires bought the dip, they dont all admit it, but Bannon did
i knew it, seen it before many times!
take Your ignorance out of your statement about Me, and put informed in its place
i knew your scare bear crap article and public bashing was just millionaires creating a buy point at others expense.
any other financing advice You have? ask someone informed, , thanks
Give me one quote from the president that states he “encourages hate and violence”
Not that you read between the line! But a true quote! With back up proof?
I’m not defending Trump!
I think he’s an asshole!
but I don’t see him doing what he’s accused of all the time!
OMG, seriously? if You have to ask, You would ignore my response, whats the point
what i would like to ask, is why cant we have a president that keeps us safe, what the F is the stupid wall for, solar panels?
the wall will never be built or finished, and it isnt immigrants and mexicans murdering people all over the US right now
but he makes tremendous efforts for a useless wall, and zero effort to stop innocents getting mowed down by gunfire , families ruined forever because of his lack of action
the fortunate son doesnt give a damn about Us
OK, that still was not an answer…
That’s what I thought. When it comes time to bring some proof you got nothing.
You want the president to do something? How about this, why dont we get some real legislation to fix the problem at the border.
Why do all leftists bitch up a storm about mass shootings and say nothing about the killings in Chicago, Baltimore and from the many illegals ? Because they really dont care about our safety, they’re just trying to push their ideology on the rest of us. It’s all right there in the Saul Alinsky playbook.
You want to blame someone for these mass shootings stop with the partisan hack BS. This is a mental health epidemic issue. Let’s regulate big pharma and the medical industry by someone not being paid off. Prescription abuse is a problem too. Let’s get help for the mentally ill by first changing the designation of what mentally ill actually is.
Steve, i did talk about Baltimore, remember i mentioned Jared Kushner was a baltimore slumlord> and didnt keep up his properties?
there is crime going on all over the country, who should do something? the president and congress?
or obama and hillary? they cannot do anything, so its the president trump that must do something now, and find time to tweet about UFC fights or spewing lies and hate to Americans he doesnt like another time
trump must act now, or more innocent americans will perish in gunfire all over America
he cannot stop everyone, but he has to make efforts to try, and congress does as well
this requires a bipartisan effort to keep America safe
I do believe fomenting racism and an “us vs. them” mentality is a big part of the gun problem.
I saw mass shootings begin to occur more frequently during the Obama admin,
so it did not start with Trump.
I actually think our rigidly binary politics is part of the gun problem. “You’re either for us or against us” is a dangerous motto. This leaves no middle ground for moderate positions and pushes idiots toward violence against the other side.
We are all Americans, and we should respect eveyone’s ideas on how to proceed in the best interests of our country.
I would start by eliminating the branding of states red and blue, which begs the question of the contribution of the Electoral College system in raising the chances of Civil War.
I favor laws against the 2 parties strangling elections. It’s obvious to me that that is a tool they use to maintain power in the hands of the elite, which is one step closer to Big Brother. The two parties are in collusion to prevent meaningful elections.
ok, Do you favor elections by Americans? or is foreign influence ok?
putin told AMericans about 6 years ago that voters dont decide elections, vote counters do
should we make laws that try to stop foreign interference? or just take russian money for pet projects, and er election, and let them meddle if they wish?
You bet!
Everyone should be a card carrying member of the USA!
Not from Russia
Not from Mexico
Not from Iran
Not from China
A Legal US citizen!
thanks Wyoming, i am glad You agree US elections should be free from foreign interference
oh well
We can all just stay home and use Google and Amazon, right?
No need to go do dangerous things like shopping or church or garlic festivals.
And when we do go out, we should all carry side arms so we can hold our own in the shootouts.
For you Trump blamers, leading up to the Orlando night club slaughter, it was the 6th mass shooting/murder within a year during Obama’s presidency. Why wasn’t anything done then? There were many other mass shootings during his presidency. Why wasn’t anything done then?
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You guys just spew shit to fit your narrative.
should Obama come back and be president for awhile and stop the killings? or should Trump do it?
it needs to be done by someone in charge,
we cant look the innocents families in the face and say sorry for your loss, what about obama?
we need solutions, and need them years ago, agreed, but we dont have time machines, both presidents need to make greater efforts, and today is the best day to begin
Murder rates skyrocketed under Obama so please no more Obama.
fair enough, Trump needs to do something now
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/george-p-bush-denounces-white-terrorism-after-el-paso-shooting/ar-AAFj6fr?li=BBnb4R7&ocid=U270DHP
This kind of shit always comes out after a white shooting, enough with the partisan hack BS. One time it’s far right, the next time it’s on the left. These mass shooting aren’t isolated to one group, let’s stop treating them as if they are.
i agree Steve, we need to address gun murderers of all flavours
the president is doing nothing to safeguard us from gun murders, or terrorist acts by any groups or individuals
he needs to make great efforts to represent all Americans and keep us safe from all gun murderers and terrorists
muslims and mexican rapists killings are nonsensical fearmongering by a racist in a bully pulpit, none of these groups are murdering us right now
but domestic terrorists are, and in their manifesto we can see WHO influenced the el paso murders
it has to stop, and the president needs to stop it, or resign the office for the sake of all Americans and let Pence do it
Exactly.
Let’s denounce white terrorists at the same time
we denounce Islamic State and Al Quaeda.
Fair is fair.
There you go again, agree on an issue, then turn it partisan.
i have to call out who is in charge, but i do agree it has to be a bi partisan solution by the president and congress, and we need it now
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/el-paso-walmart-rampage-marks-250th-mass-shooting-in-215-days/ar-AAFiVAh?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=U270DHP
Going by their stats, there were 335 mass shootings in 2015 and 303 police officers shot.
Damn right.
Enough is enough.
“Police say a document they believe was written by the 21-year-old white male suspect has a “nexus to a potential hate crime.”
The four-page document posted online espouses white nationalist and racist views. It rails against immigrants and Hispanics, blaming immigrants and first-generation Americans for taking away jobs and for the blending of cultures in the US.
The document police believe the suspect wrote was posted on 8chan, an online messaging board full of racist, bigoted and anti-Semitic content. A CNN analysis of the document reveals it was posted less than 20 minutes before police received the first calls about the shootings.”
Why can’t we do something about this?
Why can’t we do something about 8chan?
Why can’t our leaders make statements attributing our problems to real causes instead of ethnic generalities?
Stupid people will get guns and mow down everyone their stupid minds associate with problems we don’t even have.
“Stealing American jobs”? There are plenty of jobs in America. The economy is thriving.
We have a gun and hate problem in America, not a financial opportunity problem.
Why can’t we keep guns away from psychotic haters and why can’t we keep hate groups from recruiting hit men?
El Paso Terrorist Is a Hardcore Progressive and White Nationalist: Wants Universal Income And Universal Healthcare
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/el-paso-terrorist-is-a-hard-core-progressive-and-white-nationalist-wants-universal-income-and-universal-healthcare/
He was a Nazi Socialist!
Nazi means National Socialist Party. Hitler took away all private property and rights.
Hitler played on the emotions of people already suffering from national paranoia and used xenophobia and armed bullies to consolidate his power and eliminate dissent.
He made it all about “us vs. them.”
socialist arguments are a sensical distraction at best, the topic of the day is gun violence and murder, and the president doing nothing to stop it
socialist arguments should take a back seat for the sake of the families pain IMO
phel, im far from ignorant
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He’s right Phelon, you of all people should know it’s far worse that that!
Not sure why you guys take the bait….LOL
phel is all silence when im right, lol hes got nothing
Actually, Phel is not sitting at his computer glued to the words of dipshits like you. You have yet to offer a cogent thought or make an accurate statement. No real need to converse with you.
disagreed, You always miss the point, and refuse to admit when You are wrong.
i told You about BTC, I knew, You didnt
pheloniusphish says:
August 4, 2019 at 10:21 am
ORob/Manitoba – The “I don’t see why anyone needs etc.” argument is a non-starter. You can’t impose your experiences or paradigms on the problem or on others. I don’t know why ORob needs more than one set of golf clubs or why Manitoba needs to smoke and drink Canadian beer. But that doesn’t mean they should not be able to.
I hunt with an AR-15 and it is also my first choice for home defense. I only carry a pistol because that’s what is practical to conceal.
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I respect your opinion but i don’t agree with it, here’s why,
while i have multiple golf clubs they do not endanger a mass of people, and while you may hunt with an AR, you don’t really need to do that. and while you may use an AR for home defense a glock would serve that purpose. the only reason you would need an AR is if a large group of people were attacking your home and I’m not sure what the chances of that happening but i would assume it’s far fetched.
with that said you may need that AR for legitimate reasons however you have to weigh the options,
having an AR to hunt, to enjoy shooting at targets or to defend your home against 20 intruders which may be unlikely,
VS having mass shootings at the rate we are having them. 30 people dead in less than 24 hours.
I think it’s obvious that assault rifles should be highly regulated if not banned.
with a regular gun an individual can still go on a crazed assault however you limit the death toll as with an assault rifle there’s practically no escape.
The point of high caliber guns is to combat a state trying to control the people.
It’s getting out of hand, too many people dying.
That’s just plain silly.
The US government is not trying to become like Russian dictators.
And private citizens having guns would never be able to stop that anyway.
Look how that is working in Syria.
They’ll suppress us easily if we vote for dictators and let them rule above the law.
Those people love having lots of armed bullies to help them.
and BTW what state are you going to go to war with? even if you had an AR you would be out gunned, that’s of course if you didn’t have air support. to what end are you going to battle a state LOL
There’s a difference between what happened in Nazi Germany where they just rounded up all the Jews and what would happen, if they they tried to round up people that were heavily armed. At least you have a fighting chance.
btw
I do believe we have a gun problem in Chicago.
Let’s fix that, too.
And there is no sense in having open borders.
As someone said, if you have open borders, you are not actually a country.
So yes we should do something about the flood of people crossing the Rio Grande,
but labeling them all rapists and pretending they are ruining financial opportunities for Americans is factually incorrect and causes idiots like these punks with guns to see themselves as righteous when really they are just stupid.
No one ever said they were all rapists. This talking point should be left with the ignorant. The places with the biggest gun problems are places where guns aren’t allowed. Criminals will never give up their guns and we will never get them all. We can’t even stop the flow of illegal drugs which is a FAR, FAR larger problem. Let’s have some perspective
No one is saying they’re all rapists and murderers. We all know that isnt true, because we all know several that are just like the rest of us, good hard working people.
But you two are not who is doing the mass shootings. It’s the idiots who hear “Mexicans are rapists” and “Immigrants are stealing our jobs” and then go out and slaughter people who are shopping for back to school clothes for their children.
They hear that, because of the way the left takes what Trump says and twists it to fit their agenda. Now based on that you tell me who’s to blame?
Which is a left leaning talking point not right. Trump said there were some rapists. There is massive proof that many rapists cross the border illegally. It’s not a false statement in any measure. Leftists said Trump calls out all immigrants as rapists. It’s a false narrative.
I don’t think the assault rifle is the cause of the deaths but i do think it’s a means to the end.
ok
it’s too hot in here.
Go America, my great and beloved country. I fight for freedom and the pursuit of happiness.
I hope we can find a way to peace and fun for everyone.
Go Dolphins.
Is there practice today? Usually not after the scrimmage, but…
Rosen seems to be settling in nicely, cant wait for Thursday, hope he plays a half.
Days – Gun deaths is not the same as mass murders with guns. 75% of the gun deaths in the US are suicides and criminal on criminal and most of that 75% is suicides.
Maybe so, but mass shootings are the killing of innocent people that aren’t in notoriously bad neighborhoods, so it hits home with people.
and what is the president and congress doing to address this problem?
See my 12:10 post below.
that is what he is doing? this is why nothing is getting done, also the NRA lining politicians pockets has something to do with it
it will require the president, and congress to do something about it, he has to push for it first, and mconnell and pelosi have to push the senate and house for it as well
Anti-gun people forget one major point. We can’t even slow down illegal drugs but you want to restrict an American right? In 2017, over 70,000 died from drug overdoses. Over 30,000 died in car accidents. Over 44,000 committed suicide. 2017 had around 19,000 total murders with over 50% being black people murdering each other in gun free cities. . Are we fixing those problems? Did they suddenly become problems? How are these gun free cities fixing this?
It took the police about two hours to bring this dude in. He would have still gotten a gun if he wanted too as seen in Mexico, our gun free cities, etc He would have still murdered a ton of people but maybe someone with a gun could have stopped him. The police NEVER will be able to stop these instances. Having the media plaster fame all over for mentally ill losers to feel famous and important will continue this madness. Allowing the mentally ill to roam where they want will continue this madness. Taking people’s guns…will increase the madness.
I agree. Asked why they did it many said they picked the location, because they could kill more in a gun free zone.
You cant fix a problem until the masses come together and I dont think both sides want to come together.
semi automatic and automatic weapons that can murder innocent Americans are not our right.
do we have rights to stinger missiles, grenade launchers, and gatling guns on our cars?
can we speed through school zones and scare the children with M50 caliber machine guns firing at birds in the air?
all of these things are outrageous, and non permissable in our society.
the second amendment doesnt justify civilians using military equipment or nuclear weapons and nuclear subs
a hunting rife or other suitable home security is entirely possible without weapons of mass destruction in every neighborhood, there has to be reasonable limits, and sensible legislation to protect all of us from crazy people getting ar 15s or other military hardware to murder innocents in great numbers
The Irony is that little rant will sell more SEMI-auto rifles than any other factor!
Automatic weapons are illegal. They been illegal for decades so I don;t understand this argument. All pistols, most rifles, and some shotguns are semi-automatic. Are you taking those next?
how many did you buy today wyoming?
David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
August 4, 2019 at 11:58 am
socialist arguments are a sensical distraction at best, the topic of the day is gun violence and murder, and the president doing nothing to stop it
socialist arguments should take a back seat for the sake of the families pain IMO
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What?????
That article was about the shooter, and what he wanted!
It was a form of information!
Maybe I read it wrong?
socialism isnt desperately needed right this second,
sensible gun control, and efforts to stop encouraging terrrorists should be our priority
the president and congress must act now on the mass shootings and other pointless gun murders of americans
Then quit with the partisan hack BS.
will You also? deal
Let’s pout this narrative from this scumbag murderer to rest. He was a loser and wasn’t getting anywhere in life. He read about the other mass shooters the media loves to promote every week. He was never going to be famous any other way. He probably felt he wasn’t getting anywhere. So, he loads a gun, heads AWAY from home, and murderers RANDOM people…and gets his wish. He’s FAMOUS now.
Did this guy look for places where it was guaranteed he’d mainly kill Latinos? No, just random victims. Would someone who hated Mexicans so much, just randomly kill in a Walmart? No. He didn’t give a damn who he killed. White, black, Latino, Asian, it didn’t matter. Getting famous mattered. Like the guy in Australia. Like the guy last week. Like the guy in Nevada. Like Columbine. I’m just glad Texas has executions. This guy will rightfully fry. He deserves less mercy tbh.
how many miles is it from dallas to el paso? random victims near the border at a great distance from his house? and he hated immigrants?
it was classified as a hate crime, not a random incidence
I don’t care about classifications. I care about reality. There is no proof he hated immigrants until he could get famous from hating immigrants.
I don’t agree that illegal immigrants are NOT stealing job opportunities. How else are they making money? They are doing/taking a job that an unemployed legal immigrant or US citizen could be doing. Panama City to Port St. Joe was swarmed with illegal immigrants looking for work after the hurricane. Many of them hired cause they work hard and don’t complain. I know quite a few unemployed citizens from Pensacola went there looking for work but were turned away because of this.
Not only are they stealing jobs, they aren’t putting back money into the economy they are stealing from. 50 BILLION back to Latin America every year instead of the US. So our local economies are getting hit twice while fat cat businesses make a fortune off illegal labor. One of the biggest problems today, if not the biggest.
Am I on twitter? Because it feels like I’m on twitter.
LOL
So what is the site consensus for when Rosen takes over? I’m thinking by game 6? Everyone else?
Could be sooner. Depends on how much we see of Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde out of Fitz.
He keeps playing like this last week and it may be game 1.
I really hope so. I like the dude.
Why would anyone trust the same politicians who have created this environment to fix it? You want to be safe, or at least as safe as you can be? Then learn to defend yourself and be ready to at anytime. That is the only way to achieve safety. The government can’t do it. The police can’t do it.
Not only that, but why would these politicians want to change it, when they’re getting filthy rich with it the way it is?
I’m hearing a lot of “check-off-the-list talking-points” here, which just proves how entrenched everyone is on their side of the debate. Fragmented. No room for compromise. Just like the government we put into place. Almost makes me long for the days when Reagan could get drunk with O’Neill and hash out a lot of things (not that I advocate going backwards). I think I found the solution- just put in all Irish people! Wait- they had”The Troubles”and killed each other, too..
Worried about my daughter going off to USC (Gamecocks). No matter how many guns I own, I won’t be able to protect her from here.
agreed, its a shame we cant keep our children safe in schools, despite funding schools, police, military, congress, and the presidents
I misread your second point, which also has merit. Perhaps what is being debated is missing the issue. I’m certainly open to that idea.
^^ for Phelon.
You just cant fuckin’ help yourself. Every post has a dig in it. I never seen anyone that was more of an atongonist, but I know you mean well, so it’s ok, bless your heart.
All true. The arguments remain the same on both sides. Maybe that means we are debating the wrong issue?
That first year of college is nothing but worry. We just hope we raised them to make good choices and not put themselves in vulnerable positions.
Absolutely Phelon- on both counts. She’s a good girl, never got anything but an “A” her entire school life and never caused a bit of real trouble for her Mom and I. And I think you are right on our debate style, too. It’s not talking and listening, it’s just a bunch of angry, concerned people who are lashing out because they feel so powerless- at least that’s how I feel about it.
New Age says:
August 4, 2019 at 12:28 pm
Not only are they stealing jobs, they aren’t putting back money into the economy they are stealing from. 50 BILLION back to Latin America every year instead of the US. So our local economies are getting hit twice while fat cat businesses make a fortune off illegal labor. One of the biggest problems today, if not the biggest.
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Obama promoted using illegals doing these jobs to keep prices down on several occasions.
and trump hired illegals for years in his golf clubs and resurants, and even stiffed illegal workers on some construction projects, even married someone with an Einstein Visa? seriously? Einstein?
Be best and I dont care , said Einstein SMH
Yeah, I went to UNC Charlotte for masters work a few years ago and they were building a giant new admin building. Not a single non-Latino on that work force outside of the foreman. 100% legal citizens? No, not at all. It’s a huge problem especially in construction.
i finally agree with you Phel, its every man for himself at this point, SMH
it doesnt have to be like this if we have the right ones in power, vote corruption out
David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
August 4, 2019 at 12:36 pm
how many did you buy today wyoming?
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None today!
But sometime this week I will be going to Cabela’s, or Bass Pro shop.
If they have the.44 I’ve been looking for I will get it!
You want me to pick one up for you???
id prefer a tactical shotgun to augment what i already have,
in case trump zombies try to lay eggs on the new roof,
Well that’s cheaper at least!
The only real solution is for it to be MANDATORY that everyone carry. From 8 to 80 if you are found out side your home without your government issued fire arm you will be fined and publicly shamed. Subsidies for low income folks to afford ammo.
subsidies ? OMG, lmao thats socialism !
I get no law is perfect, but you can at least try. Possessing a sawed off shotgun can get you up to 5 years in prison. But shotguns are legal…..so anyone can make one. Yet not many out there.
Whatever happened to “Better 100 guilty men go free, than one innocent man go to jail.” ?
Possession of heroin, fissionable material, stolen property etc. is also a crime in of itself.
Not sure we are talking on the same frequency, stanger.
Perhaps not — your quote is a famous one from criminal trials. So took in that context.
There should be mandatory gun safety classes in school starting in kindergarten. Every student should have one hour a day of live fire exercises.
America leads the world in gun deaths, and gun ownership, they go hand in hand
more guns and bullets will not solve the problem
Your sarcastic solutions have about the same chance of happening and solving the problem as banning and confiscating.
i agree with You again, nothing any of us can do to solve the problem,
it will require congress and the president
There was an armed robbery at the dollar store in the Publix shopping center by my house last weekend. It happened while I was shopping. The suspect left the Dollar Store and approached the Publix entrance and was stopped by the police. Supposedly he refused to drop his gun so the police opened fire.
It sounded like automatic gunfire because so many police open fire at once. My first thought was somebody through a long pack of firecrackers in the front door. Then people started screaming and running. In my head I imagined somebody entering the front door and started shooting up the place. So I calmly ( I wasn’t really calm, but I walked not ran) left my car where it was and proceeded to the back emergency exit. I hate out behind the dumpster for a few minutes and then walked around the building back to the parking lot got in my car and went home to find out what had happened on the news.
Wow — smart move. Guess if you’d stayed in the store would have found nothing to worry about sooner, but wouldn’t have been as safe if there really was a shooter in it.
The Dayton shooter was taken down less than a minute after he fired his first shot.
In those seconds 9 were killed and 26 injured
He had a semi-auto with multiple extended magazines.
I would like to see more about background checks and the entire process they use. I can’t help but think about Nick Cruz’s passed background check and see issues with how they are done. Rubber stamped?
Universal background checks with state input into the federal registry required, ban on military AR-15 type weapons (and buy backs), outlaw large magazines (seems 5 shots fine), heightened criminal penalties for violators. ARA might hate me for those, but not like looking to get rid of all guns.
I agree except for the ‘military’ style weapon and would like a 12 round mag instead of 5. It’s just a rifle in the end that has been the scapegoat because the real problems are complex and difficult.
By the way, IMO if your first reaction to hearing of two horrible murder sprees is “damn, now the commies are gonna come for my guns” SHAME ON YOU
I just had a heated argument with a woman at the bar where I was getting lunch. She had the gaul to accuse the leftists to putting these guys up to it so that “they” can take our guns. I said, wait, are you saying that you think the guy in Texas was actually a sleeper leftist planted to make conservatives look bad? She said “I wouldn’t put it past them”
I agree but that narrative is pretty quick if you watch any news. I wonder how upset some of the news people really are? Since first reactions are 100% emotional, the first day of news should be exclusively about the victims and how amazing they were. Why don’t we see more of that? Why don;t we focus more on victims with any crime? I think we both know that answer.
Agreed. And on the flip side, if your first response was “We need to ban, blah, blah…”, SHAME ON YOU, TOO!
OMMFG!! I posted that above before I read BBM’s rant above. It’s the leftist media’s fault that these people lose it and kill people? Dear god, do you truly believe that tripe?
false flags is another way of saying they dont give a shit if Americans die or not, and like brett Kavanaugh they want to make it easier for more people to get more deadly weapons in the wake of the last 24 hours, death for profit is capitalism in a nutshell
how bad does it get, one guy at the lunch counter i was at today, called trump a terrorist, and it wasnt Me,
although i didnt have much , if i had to defend trump against that statement
the definition of a terrorist is,,,,
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
the guy at the lunch counter is correct by definition, trump uses intimidation , snd also stokes violence, against civilians in the pursuit of political aims
Hey guys…what’s everyone talking about today?
(Piggy ducks)
It’s not pretty.
They died oinking
David, mass shootings have been happening long before Trump was president. Blaming politicians for psychos isn’t fair or legit. I never blamed a president for this sort of thing. It’s knee-jerk and not part of the solution.
I agree and I’m eager to 💩 on Trump any chance I get
I do think I there is a problem with white nationalism and violence
And I certainly think there’s been reasonable legislation proposed that can reduce violence that the NRA opposes (along with politicians who accept there money)
But this isn’t a problem that happened post 2016
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Piggy, the radical racist groups have been around a long time. The reason it’s been escalating in recent years is the information age IMO. Everyone has access to more info. and ideas than ever before and psychos can rally together much easier than ever before. Lots of people get brainwashed by all sorts of stuff. You see videos of them spewing ignorant stuff all over the country. Then when one who gets to the boiling point and wants to send some kind of message and they snap, we get these acts of violence and carnage. I’m not sure what we can do to stop it.
There’s a lot we can do to stop it Tim
Culturally – We cannot empower
We can speak against it instead of pretending it wasn’t said when we hear it
We can’t allow them to feel comfortable
We can point out the moral deprivity of defending it
On a policing scale, we can define white nationalism as a terrorist group (currently the fbi only looks at intentional organizations)
The 1st amendment generally allows people to organize
But terrorist groups Have pretty limited rights (bc of the danger they pose)
There’s an older sup cat case that permitted the KKK to march (or stopped a City from revoking their license) that was based on the 1st amendment
But I think it’s time to change that
You wouldn’t accept isis marching in n your town- we shouldn’t permit KKK either
Currently (and for decades) these hate groups get protections they probably shouldn’t get based on the threat they pose
I agree. It’s a massive problem with no easy solution no matter how much we hear there are. It’s also just one we need to work on. Some people might not like hearing this but over 10,000 black people were murdered in 2017 (mainly by other black people) and I don’t see anyone with a real solution today for that problem. We have Dems across the country reducing laws and I don;t see how that fixes anything. The law is our first defense against chaos.
there is another mass shooting today, this one in chicago,
mass shootings are out of control and the president does nothing to stop it
New Age – Unfortunately, the current background check system relies on states and local municipalities to voluntarily input records. In many cases they don’t and there is almost no medical/mental history information included because of HIPAA and the sensitivity surrounding mental illness. So maybe shoring up those weaknesses would be a first step.
Stanger – You want to start a revolution? Try forcing Americans to sell you back their legal guns. Not happening. Nor should it. We’re not talking about a small number of people. The people clamoring for bans and seizures are a minority. And for those who say we cannot stand up to the military or police if the government goes rogue, try these numbers (WIKIPEDIA):
“Americans made up 4 percent of the world’s population but owned about 46 percent of the entire global stock of 857 million civilian firearms.”[5] U.S civilians own 393 million guns. That is 3 times as many guns as the armed forces of the Russian Federation (30.3 million), China (27.5 million), North Korea (8.4 million), Ukraine (6.6 million), United States (4.5 million), India (3.9 million), Vietnam (3.8 million), Iran (3.3 million), South Korea (2.7 million), Pakistan (2.3 million), and all the other countries (39.7 million) combined.[6] American civilians own more guns “than those held by civilians in the other top 25 countries combined.”[7]
“American civilians own nearly 100 times as many firearms as the U.S. military and nearly 400 times as many as law enforcement.”[8] Americans bought more than 2 million guns in May 2018, alone.[8] That is more than twice as many guns, as possessed by every law enforcement agency in the United States put together.[8] In April and May 2018, U.S. civilians bought 4.7 million guns, which is more than all the firearms stockpiled by the United States military.[8] In 2017, Americans bought 25.2 million guns, which is 2.5 million more guns than possessed by every law enforcement agency in the world put together.[8] Between 2012 and 2017, U.S. civilians bought 135 million guns, 2 million more guns than the combined stockpile of all the world’s armed forces.”
If that’s not enough, consider who the military is. We are/were sworn to protect and uphold the Constitution, not any politician or authority figure. If it came down to a fight over rights, most of the military is going over to the citizens side.
That last sentence is what I’d hope for.
Phelon — I get that this is a hot button issue. And maybe it wouldn’t work, but I hope you realize last thing was thinking about was going all UK or more recently Australia
Wasn’t a revolution under the Obama weapons laws though. Maybe I just have faith that people would follow the rule of law. Mentioned sawed off shotguns before. Same goes for full auto. Am sue a bunch of folks grumbled about them not being legal.
Phelon, I’ve been in these discussions over a decade and no one is even pushing for better background checks. That’s why I find this argument tiresome and dishonest in the extreme. We have to start somewhere and one side wants to start with zero guns. It’s never going to happen, it’s a dishonest proposal(they know it won’t happen), and is just a way to push a narrative. When someone starts pushing better background checks, then I may listen to them…but they won’t.
I’m not sure you were around when the ACLU made it almost impossible to institutionalize people. That’s where the problem started. Let the mentally ill out to roam! No problem there!
My biggest problem today is the entire leftist narrative. For example, they have been pushing transsexual as normal instead of mental illness. There are at most 1% of the pop who has this diagnosis but they are dictating words we can say, bathrooms they can use, and what science is allowed to publish. Just ask Trump how easily the media can ruin you in today’s environment. Obama was already locking up journalists and brown babies while the media fawned over him. Now imagine what leftists would promote if they knew people that disagreed with them couldn’t defend themselves. Just look at Antifa for that answer. We’d be in a 1984 totalitarian regime within a generation. Just like Venezuela. One generation.
You know the funny thing about the NRA is that so many gun owners don’t like them anymore either.
Why exactly does there need to be an NRA? Doesn’t the 2nd amendment cover gun ownership rights?
As a member of the NRA they represent me!
Not always in 100% agreement with everything they do! But it’s like everything else!
You got to take some of the bad to get the good!
They aren’t really helping preserve the 2nd amendment
So the Dayton killer’s sister was one of the victims. Think there might be more to the story?
I’m all for better background checks!
for everyone!
Voters
Drivers
Gun owners
Teachers
But then again I’ve got a TWIC card so I’ve already had my government enema!!
Voter ID
With the same background check as the gun purchaser!
Maybe we can ask Piggy how to get the mental health information on the background check?
At Work you can’t say shit about some’s medicals without breaking HIPAA!
The question was for your lawyer expertise not your politics!
Answer is you can’t. You sure can’t ask about it at least. Part of why a consistent work history and staying in jobs for a while is a major plus. In general, but for that reason too.
Well
Number one you can always amend HIPPA to crate an exception
Secondly if owning a gun requires a license, then it probably won’t run afoul of hippa. But licensing is a little inconstant with the 2nd amendment
I’m pretty sure legally mental health checks can be conducted for limited purposes
I was just talking about at work. Law is already there that judicial psychiatric commitments are a reason to deny gun ownership, even if there is an appeal process after. Problem is that most states don’t forward records of such to be included in the national gun buy database. Congress left the cost of doing so on them and made it optional.
New age
I don’t like hearing that (about black murders by black people ) bc it’s a false equivalency
Do you think those murders are based on the victims race? Obviously they aren’t
Don’t belittle hate crimes by making false equivalencies with something that has nothing to do with discrimination
I don’t dislike hearing it bc it’s offensive
I dislike hearing it bc it’s a red hearing
There’s a serious problem with hate groups inspiring people to act out violently based on race
There would be less violence if that was addressed without people taking their eye of the ball period.
Violence will always occur. Inner city violence didn’t start yesterday or last year, it’s beem around for ever and will likely always exist
But when it comes to violence by white nationalist against groups of people we can probably take steps to stop that
Once we start talking it seriously instead of immediately going into whataboutism
We allow gang violence to exist and innocent citizens get caught in the crossfire everyday. But we’ve also allowed organize crime to exist for over a hundred years and people in power negotiate with them in backrooms. It’s kind of hard to stop violence when we’re not really trying to stop it.
Not whataboutism at all. You’re focused on smaller issues and ignoring the giant one. People kill people they know, so it isn’t like white people don;t kill whites or any other group kills people in their neighborhood. You just don;t like the subject, Liberals have no answers at all, so you change the subject REAL FAST. What about those white nationalists!!!!! Utter crap. You’re better than that. This is the early days where we have no real idea what is going on but White Nationalists! Whataboutism indeed.
You do have voter ID
It’s when you register to vote
Every state varies on how this is done
But I don’t really think it’s a great idea to require Id on the day of the vote, unless you want to make that a federal holiday
I’ve never heard anything close to a good argument for not making voter ID mandatory in all states. Cheating is the reason for it, so all the Russian hacking people out there contradict themselves every time they bring it up.
I’ve never heard a pro voter ID person against the national holiday. Let’s do it! National voter ID and everyone gets the day off. Perfect compromise.
Piggy, I agree about what you said about the KKK and other groups like that. But like I’ve said before, I never come across these fucktards nor do I know any of them so I don’t feel personally that it’s this mass problem all around us. I know they exist, but what is their percentage? Most hate groups of whatever kind are fringe. As disgusting as I find them all, I think we try to make them out to be more than they are and maybe we should stop that as a society.
Let law enforcement keep an eye on them like they already do, and the majority of citizens don’t give them the time of day. But the media likes to play them up as if they’re everywhere and we can’t avoid them. Most of the time you find them at rallies and protests. Don’t go to the them and lend them your ear. They get off on listeners whether you agree or not. The majority doesn’t agree with them so don’t engage them. Without an audience they fall on deaf ears and basically only talk to themselves.
They are more prevalent than Muslim terrorist groups, but we are able to monitor hem to help prevent violent acts
I don’t think the avg white supreme St is going to Introducd himself to you in full robe
I havent really read about the recent shootings (so I don’t know if it’s applicable) but people like Dylan roof probably could have been prevented if we start to take the problem more seriously as a country
But he was rogue and his friend knew he was up to something and didn’t warn anyone. His friend said when he heard about the shooting he knew it was him. Speak the fuck up regardless of family member or friend if you know they’re up to no good.