A tale of two halves – Dolphins can’t finish, lose to Steelers 27-14. Dolphins are 0-7

Once again, the Dolphins managed to play some good football this week. The Dolphins actually dominated the 1st QTR leading 14-0, but as has been the case, good play for this team has been difficult to sustain. Talent and depth have something to do with it, but it also could be in part to a 1st year HC not having answers and unable to make adjustments. It’s likely a combination of both.

I’m sure some media people who cover our team will be hailing Minkah Fitzpatrick as taking revenge on his former team and playing unbelievable football in doing so. If you watched the game, the first INT was a true gift, a pass thrown by Fitz to TE Nick O’Leary that bounces off his pads into the waiting hands of Minkah Fitzpatrick. Couldn’t have been any easier unless it was thrown harder and and stuck in Minkah’s facemask. The next INT was just a desperation deep throw in which Minkah had deep coverage and ran underneath it for another easy INT, a pass thrown very poorly. Otherwise, Minkah was very quiet, didn’t do anything really and I hardly noticed him on the field to be honest.

Was James Connor imitating Ryan Fitzpatrick here?

I laughed pretty good when I saw Conner walking back to his sideline for assistance to remove this large chunk of turf that got stuck in his facemask after being tackled. I woke up my wife but she also laughed once she finally listened to me that it was a funny thing to see. I needed the levity, I want our team to win, and I enjoy when we’re winning. We play the Jets who have looked heinous lately. We need guys healthy to beat the Jets. X can’t play a half and then go out with an injury leaving a defensive backfield full of Nik Needham, Ken Webster, Ryan Lewis, Chris Lammons, etc. No offense to any of these fine young players but they wouldn’t be on the field other than ST’s for just about any other NFL team.

I want to beat the Jets and damn the record! I want to see Gase tormented by us, I think he’s a cocky dude who needs a little humiliation, and we can supply just that with a win next Sunday. I want to hear audio all week after the game of Adam Gase trying to explain how they lost to us and making excuses as usual. It never seems to be his fault. Sam Darnold did better last year in his rookie season w/o Adam Gase than he is doing this season with him. The great offensive guru that he is.

Did anyone last night not enjoy Allen Hurns pinball his way into the endzone last night? Was that not sumpin? I have a feeling we’ll be trying to shake up Sam Darnold next week. If you think you saw at least 3 too many blitzes against the Steelers, there may be more next week. What scares me is Gase loves the short game and the screens, and that’s what burns a blitz. When too many guys are on the wrong side of the LOS it’s easy for a short pass to turn into a long one. I hope Patrick Graham and Brian Flores keep that in mind next week!

GO DOLPHINS!

#staythecourse

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1,293 Responses to A tale of two halves – Dolphins can’t finish, lose to Steelers 27-14. Dolphins are 0-7

  1. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Bobby McCain at Safety looks like a fail to me. He hasn’t impacted a game yet but he quite often did playing in the slot.

    • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

      worse, I thought the experiment was because of wanting Fitz to play the slot more, now HE is gone and we are hurting there.

  2. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Rob, the white lines on the field are 5 yards apart not 10. The backs are all within 12 yards of the LOS at the snap of the ball. At the 5:17 mark the commentator is agreeing with me. It’s this guy has this guy (draws a line), this guy has this guy, (draws a line) and says it is an “It is a blown coverage inside”

    You posted proof of the opposite of your position.

  3. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    ???????????????????????????????????????

  4. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  5. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    I didn’t read all the comments from earlier because I was seeing a lot of tanking talk and trashing the team comments and wasn’t in the mood. But what exactly went on that has everyone bent out of shape?

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      🤷‍♂️

    • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

      Not sure why people are up in their feelings, but Rob & David were posting about how obvious it was that the team is tanking that play being irrefutable evidence of the tank and others disagreed, and then this bald headed troll started stirring the shit.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Oh okay. LOL

        So were we tanking when we started the game 14-0? I didn’t like the blitz call on that 3rd and long either and yes they messed up in coverage but this defense is new for everyone. Players also do make mistakes from time to time. Hey we’re not getting blown out anymore but we’re struggling to finish.

        We all know we need more talent in a lot of areas. Why does everyone get so crazed about it week to week? We need to just accept what the 2019 season is all about and why 2020 provides us with a lot of options to upgrade this team. We then get to come back in 2021 and do it again. I believe we’re going to be the team that ends the Pats reign in a couple of years. 🙂

  6. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Tim
    Don’t you know Greene said Flores is calling plays to lose the games?

    We are an embarrassment to the league!

  7. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    ocalarob says:
    October 29, 2019 at 7:35 pm
    i’ll tell all of you another thing, some around here feel the need to call some despicable names because they don’t agree with opinions on football matters. if you want to know who you are just go back and read…
    —————-
    100% agreed. Our guy Chris Tiedje (South Florida Sun-Sentinel) would have suspended most of the admins here for having taken SERIOUS pot-shots and all but threats at others… and it took a LOT for Tiedje to suspend somebody. It’s getting extremely and disturbingly disgusting around here anymore, and nobody is stepping up to the plate to watch the watchers.

    Time to clean up this shit-hole, somebody.

  8. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Any suggestions on how to clean up said shithole?

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      I do! But it would be a little totalitarian! 😉

      • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

        you might wind up blogging to yourself all day if you exile everyone you think is a deuche

      • ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

        What happens after he bans himself too one day? Is like a game and we all get to come back and try again?
        Because that sounds pretty fun. It would be FU Survival League!

  9. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    LOL, everyone keys on “shit-hole” at the end of a statement, and seems to be in the dark on anything and everything said beforehand.

    “JETSON!!!”

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      I remember everyone’s history! 😉

    • ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

      All I read beforehand is the usual. People have their opinions and you can’t change them. I don’t recall any nasty, but I’m not going back to read.

      Other than that, I understand the lack of patience when dealing with broken records and the lack of any reason or reading comprehension by some.

      I am going to just skip over a few posters for now on and save my frustration.

  10. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Rock
    don’t think anyone is a deuche!

    Maybe a little whiny sometimes!

    What am I talking about there are some whiny ass mo-fo’s out there! 😉

  11. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Oh, I think a bunch of us can get deuchey every now and then. 😉

  12. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    ElephantRider says:
    October 29, 2019 at 9:35 pm

    What happens after he bans himself too one day? Is like a game and we all get to come back and try again?
    Because that sounds pretty fun. It would be FU Survival League!

    I guess a group of us start a new one called Finsmobreestablished or some nonsense like that. LOL

  13. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Nah, guys… I’m being serious. I used to absolutely LOVE reading the posts of my fellow Phin fans, going all the way back to when Nick Saban became our HC (I go back to Topix, with my guys ORob, OcalaHowie, and Jahndoh… maybe a few others who went by other names, too).

    Yeah, I’ve seen a LOT of ‘back-n-forth’ between some posters over the many years (yes, it happens, and I get it), but NOTHING like I’m seeing here today. I’m seeing PERSONAL hit-jobs on other posters here, and I don’t support as much… never have, either. I think every person has the right to their opinion.

    Clean up this shit-hole, somebody.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      I support #1A, even when one disagrees with me. Why? I LEARN from others! How about that! We can LEARN!

      It makes me a better person, and Lord knows it’s made me a better football evaluator… thanks to YOU!

      STOP THE HATE!!!

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      I didn’t see it that way!
      I saw a couple of posters get way out on a limb, and got called out for it!

      But I get a bling spot for anyone who says the same old thing more than twice!

  14. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Rockphin says:
    October 29, 2019 at 9:31 pm
    you might wind up blogging to yourself all day if you exile everyone you think is a deuche
    —————————————-
    at least I’d know it would be an intelligent conversation! 😉

  15. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Ah, come on Elephantrider, some times it is fun to get down and roll around in it

  16. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Phindog says:
    October 29, 2019 at 9:19 pm
    Shit hole…. Really dude ? That’s a pretty fucked up thing to post.
    —————-
    My man, if you only knew how it used to be… pretty much all about respect, sharing football knowledge, and just pure love and appreciation for us fellow Phin fans, regardless of opinion.

    My, the times have drastically changed.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      What are you referring to, everything you say is generic?

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      I’ll have to call a bit of BS on you there!

      I don’t think “some posters” ever posted about Football? Just frustration!

      No knowledge, just hate for loosing!

      Which is OK if your into that?

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      I think it’s pretty fucked up that there are haters out there. I mean — and as fellow Phin fans — aren’t we all in the same boat?

      No need for haters, period. And we’re talking about a mere GAME! There’s more to life than just the game we love, which just so happens to bring us together.

      #NoHatersAllowed
      GO PHINS!!!

      • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

        Exactly!
        Don’t hate on the Dolphins!
        Support your team!

        Oh wait, that is definitely NOT what happened today!

  17. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    If you don’t like it M13
    Don’t come
    If you do come, stop being a preachy asshole
    No one’s going to “cleanup” this place bc you’re a tulip

  18. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Wait for it……

  19. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    WAIT FOR IT!………..

  20. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    HERE IT COMES…….

  21. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Not one person has pointed out what was so horrible. It’s like yelling fire in a movie theater when there was none. Be specific and not cryptic. M13, you have a habit of keeping secrets as you post accusations. Speak up! It takes forever when people do this. You want clean this shit hole up, explain what you mean.

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      Oh there was some Dolphin hating posts today!

      But I’m ok with how they show their fandom!

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        That I know as scrolled by. I saw tanking and bashing of coaches and players. I did not see the personal insults because I read nothing in detail. I was actually optimistic about what I saw in the game long term. But I’ve already gone into that mode so scrutinizing everything is a wast of time to me. I’m focused on which players we roll with moving forward. I like how we’re playing defense and offense setting the precedent. We need more development and talent. It’s pretty simple to me.

  22. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    MF13
    If you throw shit to see if it sticks on the wall, you will get called out for it!
    Don’t defend the haters!

  23. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Tim, I read along most of the day and I didn’t see anything that warranted calling this a shit hole, that’s just crap and instigation.

  24. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Tim
    Your preaching to the quire!
    But MF13 thinks they were abused?
    And I think it was just a case of going out on a limb!

    It’s just a perception thing? And a history thing!

    And I’m done!

  25. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Looks like it’s going to a game 7

  26. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    A quire is a ghey squirrel right?

  27. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    You guys hear that?
    The road team including Baseball, Basketball and Hockey has NEVER won 6 games in a Championship series EVER.
    6 outs away from it happening tonight.

  28. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Let’s look at this team this way. The team feels good about some of the young players we have moving forward – in FA we add let’s say Edge, OL, DB and another position. Then we draft with three 1st and two 2nd round picks not even counting the rest especially comp picks. LOL

    So let’s say we draft a QB, Edge, OL, DB and another position with those 5 picks. The team is completely different in a couple of months. We’re not even going to recognize it.

    Now did we make the right moves? Nobody knows. But what do you think the odds are that we get better? I say pretty good. Maybe we’re at best 9-7 and knocking on the playoff door. But is that not improvement and a new direction?

    If you don’t realize what the plan was from the get go, you’re going to disappoint yourself. Living in the past has no bearing on anything.

    • The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

      There’s only one direction to go from here

      I agree, it’s really about the odds and we did a great job of increasing those odds – we just have to vote the bullit now

  29. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Tim – I think it was my post saying anyone who thought Flores called the zero blitz to intentionally let Pitt score was a dumb ass. I stand by that statement.

  30. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Game 7 in the WS here we come. It’s great sports.

  31. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    Well I guess I missed whatever happened. Still not going to go back and look. Oh well.

    What happens when they win a game or two? Can’t wait for that shit storm.

  32. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    there were 3 recs, we had only 3 DBs that were way back, if X had his man tight whats to stop the QB from throwing to one of the other recs as they were not covered.
    you don’t play that defense no matter what the conditions, if you’re having a jailbreak blitz you have to play man press coverage to stop the qb from dumping the ball off quickly. the longer you make him hold that ball the more successful you will be at sacking him.

    it didn’t matter what x did, if he was tight on his man there were two other recs wide open,

    and X wasn’t even close to his man which left 3 recs wide open!

    you have to give those 8 guys a chance to get to the qb.

    if all the qb has to do is catch the snap and throw to a wide open rec whats the point of sending 8 guys at him? now you have created a 3 on 3 and no chance of stopping the guy with the ball.

    i’m sure flores knows this.
    the coaching staff threw that game, it’s very clear.

    what’s even more shocking is some of the most intelligent posters around here can’t understand this concept.

    _________________________________________________________
    CavalierKong says:
    October 29, 2019 at 7:45 pm
    Rob,

    As Randy and/or D pointed out earlier, you don’t have to play press, you just have to keep it in front of you. X had no chance because he dropped back almost 5 yards when the play started (covering the slot), he was only about 3 or 4 yds away from making the tackle at the 30. If he doesn’t drop back 4 or 5 yards at the start and instead follows the slant he makes the tackle around the 35.

    No matter how you slice it, you keep ignoring the fact that clearly and obviously one of the defenders blew the coverage which of course is going to make the play look way worse

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      you have no chance of keeping the ball carrier “in front of you” when it’s 3 on 3, it all boils down to one on one because the other two recs would block the other two DBs as they did.
      the DB has no chance of stopping the rec. too much space for one man to cover

      all of which is evident by the result of the play.

  33. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    The sky is Red
    The sky is Red
    The sky is Red

    If I say this 100 more times will the sky turn red? The same goes for idiotic conspiracies about 1 debatable play call being proof the coaches are actively trying to lose.
    You can say it 100 more times it still won’t be true. You can claim falsely that you have been attacked. It still doesn’t make it true. Your emotional over reaction and illogical conclusion have been argued and rejected by the majority here already but carry on.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      you should hold your “idiotic” comments until you see me in person then tell me that, otherwise you’re just a pussy behind a keyboard.

      that said will you please just ignore my posts as i will yours, i have no respect for you fuck face.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      No wonder your wife dumped you!

  34. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Judge Rock! 😉

  35. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    This article is pure trash. Do they not comprehend that we purchased a 5th RD pick for $4.2M?

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-trade-deadline-dolphins-aqib-talib-trade-leaves-many-with-more-questions-than-answers/

    The Broncos and Browns did the same in the Brock Osweiler trade.

  36. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    The most encouraging thing I saw in the game on Monday was when they put the pic of Tom Landry, Jimmy Johnson and Bill Walsh and their opening record as a coach.
    0-10, 0-8, 0-7 if remember correctly.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      I’ve read your post about the road team never winning 6 games and I still don’t get what it means. Can you please explain it?

      • son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

        Game 1 in Houston- Nats won
        Game 2 in Houston- Nats won
        Game 3 in Wash – Houston won
        Game 4 in Wash – Houston won
        Game 5 in Wash – Houston won
        Game 6 in Houston- Nats won

        And it’s post season not only championship series that road teams have combined for six wins in a series including Basketball and Hockey as well as baseball.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Yeah, I still don’t get it. Has the road team never won Game 6? Is that what it was?

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Ah shit, never mind. I do get it. Sorry!

  37. You guys are nit the best record keepers, stick to your day jobs, lol’

    i did NOT say the stupid play call on third and 22 was tanking, what i said is it was a stupid play call,

    stupid play calls do not prove tanking, but they do prove stupid

    thats a retarded play call that worked like a screen door at niagra falls, like a porcupine colonoscopy,
    like a Yugo trying to scale Mt everest with a blown motor and tranny, like Rock trying to get laid, etc
    lol jk Rock

    it was NOT tanking, it was Dumb as hell dog wont hunt logic

  38. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I was just so concentrating on the “home team” that had the home field advantage due to having a better record rather than looking that the road team beat the home team in the building each game. That is pretty crazy.

  39. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Like any play call, it has to be executed properly. If we played a dime defense with a 3 deep zone and someone blows the coverage it’s a bad call. Anytime a player blows their assignment in any given play it can be disastrous. Someone definitely effed up although like Sonny said, I tend to think it wasn’t X despite the fact that Booger said it was his man.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      it doesn’t matter who’man it was, it was the scheme that was screwed up, you cant rush 8 and play 3 deep, that is a scheme for disaster!

      who is responsible for the scheme?

      did the DBs not know where they should be? they seem too as they were all on the same page…deep.

      so it falls back on the coaching staff.

      did they do that intentionally is the question?

      when you consider the state of the franchise that question looms large!

  40. Ross is the big tanker, Ross is the one that winning isnt important and has no commitment for it.
    the dump everyone with a salary over the NFL minimum purge is not Flores fault IMO

    Flores is trying to win with a cheap Ross shit sandwich, but he is also not the best coach in the NFL and it shows sometimes, like that horrible play call on third and 22, or the drake 2 pt conversion, etc

  41. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    Tim, it’s too bad you scrolled. I blamed you pretty hard for this mess earlier. You still owe me piss clams sizzle chest.

  42. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    Taco – 4 sacks in 188 snaps as a Dolphin
    Charles Harris – 3 sacks in 1,113 snaps as a Dolphin

  43. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    David,
    I guess that boat picture is like a rorshach test. You only see into it what you want to see.

  44. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    oooohhh big bad internet bully is threatening me! I am so scared! Bring it fat ass.

  45. BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

    Why are some waking up with a Monday morning hangover (Tues this week)? Have you been sleeping in class? Not doing your homework? We are rebuilding from the ground up. The team is playing hard and better each week. We started here _ and we are on our way ^.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Yeah BBM — I’m just happy they have some fight in them. And looks like some gems emerging from the fire like Preston and Walton.

  46. son of a son of a shula's avatar son of a son of a shula says:

    If Harris was on the same pace of sacks as Charlton he would have 24 sacks by now.

  47. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Wait!
    You mean my fandom isn’t better than your fandom?
    Or is it your fandom isn’t better than mine? 😉

  48. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Rockphin says:
    October 30, 2019 at 9:16 am
    oooohhh big bad internet bully is threatening me! I am so scared! Bring it fat ass.
    __________________________________________
    not sure what i have ever done to you or why you have to call me names because you don’t like my opinion. I never even directed my opinion your way.

    i understand that you disagree with me, why do you also feel the need to drag me down in the process? maybe it’s because you’re trying to bring yourself up to my level?

    you don’t give reasoning behind your disagreement you just disagree and call me names. then i retaliate.
    i’m not threatening you and i have lost weight, i’m at a slam dunk’n 250 right now.

    i just don’t think you would act like you do over the internet as you would face to face. i have met you face to face and you didn’t once call me a name, so why do it over the internet?
    another word for it is an “INTERNET TROLL”

    i always thought highly of you but you seem to lack the ability to state your case so you turn to insults, i would assume to direct me away from the topic and cloud the issue.

    wouldn’t this be a great place to come to when you state your opinion and every one insulted you for it?
    you’re really contributing to this excellent place aren’t you? keep up the good work.

    I just want to back off of you, i mostly never respond to you anyway due to past problems. you have nothing intelligent to offer ONLY INSULTS.
    so whats the point? i have better things to do than trade insults with you.

    have a nice day

  49. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Does anyone know if the contract we signed with taco is just for the season

  50. D's avatar D says:

    CavalierKong says:
    October 29, 2019 at 5:13 pm

    I just read it’s a Dolphins 2022 7th rd pick. It makes you wonder what is the point of that return pick?

    A 2022 7th rd? What is the value of a 7th rd pick 3 years down the road? lmao
    ————————————————-
    When he walks in FA we pretty much get that pick back as a comp pick too.

  51. D's avatar D says:

    BTW its definitely red. Though i will say if its got two dudes name on its ass end, that is pretty gay.

  52. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Good morning Sweet Peas

  53. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Rob,

    You keep ignoring the clear and obvious fact that someone blew the coverage. We can all speculate about what might have happened if the DBs had played it the way it was drawn up instead of screwing it up. You say it’s impossible to keep someone in front of you. I disagree. I pointed out X still was only about 4 yds away from being able to make the tackle at the 30 AFTER moving away from the receiver almost 5 additional yards at the snap.

    Maybe the middle guy was supposed to cover the slant if the outside receiver went inside, he definitely would have been able to make the tackle if that’s the case. The fact is you have no idea what that coverage was supposed to look like, nor do I. What we do know for a fact, is they blew the coverage. Based on video evidence that is indisputable.

    So if you choose to see one bad play call exacerbated by a blown coverage as definitive proof our coach is screwing his players over and putting them in a position to fail, enjoy your opinion, lol.

  54. D's avatar D says:

    Just to restate it. OCRob is correct, though not the only one thats correct. One way to call a all out blitz is to play press-man so there is no avenue to get rid of the ball quickly. Its probably more of a general way to play an all out blitz call in most situations. Now 3rd and 22 a lot of time is called as a zone call, but not in a blitzing situation, so yes it could have been called dropping a couple of those 8 back into a zone, specifically the one where he caught the ball, but you wouldn’t do zone in a situation where you rushed 8.

    What they were doing is an off man call or soft man, whatever ya wanna call it. This is how i know that X wasn’t playing it right. This is completely blown coverage. Also you can tell it was man and not zone by the way both X and the safety moved after the play was snapped, they started mirroring right after the snap and dropping back into a zone.X had it wrong, pro-bowler or not he made a mistake.

    If X plays his man, there is a chance its completed because of the fact they played off the receiver, BUT, he gets tackled well short of the first. Were they playing press, he could have gotten beat and the result would have been a TD as it was. Its actually not a bad call, its just not a play it safe call. You definitely could get a lot to go wrong for the offense in that situation, forced throw with a pick which with that few in the secondary could turn into a pick 6, strip sack, sack, bad throw for incomplete, etc. The worse case should be a completion for less than 22.

    If they had called zone there probably would have been a stop as well, but its possible that they could have gotten close to the yardage needed for the first as the play would have had to been made by the safety protecting the deep zone.

    Down and distance, where they were on the field (on our side of the 50), up by 14, IMO normal call is zone, and just keep them away from the first down, like a cover 6 type call, full zone, LB’s 2 safeties, both CB’s, 3-4 man rush. Basic prevent situation. Same scenario would but on the opposite side of the 50, would have definitely been the call he made so its not like its not the right call for the situation, its just not normally called when the opponent is on your side of the field.

    • D's avatar D says:

      And not dropping back to their zone.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      if they were trying to keep pitt from getting a 1st down they would have rushed 3 and had 8 playing off the LOS. and that’s exactly what they should have done considering the situation.
      what they did makes no sense unless you’re trying to lose.

  55. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Did no one else watch the NE-CLE game. NE ran the zero blitz on almost every 3rd and long, regardless of field position. Successfully, because their CB didn’t blow the man coverage. Flores is trying to replicate NE’s success, just doesn’t have the players yet.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Like i said, its not an unheard of call its just not standard for that field position and down and distance. Maybe thats what he thought he would accomplish with the call though, confuse them with a blitz in a situation thats normally prevent.

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      I liked the call. Hate prevent. There was an earlier 3rd and 20 where they played zone and gave up 18, then the first. Fuck prevent, play aggressive. Rather lose trying than lose curled up.

      • D's avatar D says:

        I like aggressive play calling but i sure would have liked to won that game lol. I probably with that lead laid up and went prevent. I kinda dug that amoeba defense, though i dont like the DT standing up. Thats a leverage battle and they need to start low to win.

  56. D's avatar D says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    October 29, 2019 at 10:57 pm

    A quire is a ghey squirrel right?
    ————————————————–
    No thats a Quirrel

  57. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Kong,
    what i’m saying is it doesn’t matter what X did, if he was up on his man they could have just thrown it to one of the other two rec’s who had no one on them, so to say X blew it is not the case, he shouldn’t have been in that position to begin with.
    i’m not the only one saying this either, 5 or 6 former NFL players were singing the same tune the day after.

    i understand that you must not understand where i’m going with this, you keep reverting back to X, X doesn’t matter, that’s not a scheme any DC should be in at anytime of the game.

    rushing 8 and have 3 DB’s deep not covering anyone, i have never seen a scheme like that, it’s a recipe for disaster. those 3 recs will get behind the 8 rushers leaving 3 on 3 with the DBs way off the ball, and that’s exactly what happened. result TD.

    maybe the DBs were unaware of where they were suppose to be but it just seems unlikely
    how hard is it to throw a ball to a wr wide open? after they get behind your 8 rushers you’re done
    DBs………………………….
    x……x…………………….x

    ………….xxxxxxxx,,,,,,,,,,,
    o.o………xxxxxx…………o
    off…………..q..rb

    if you want to do an all out blitz you have to play man and jam the recs at the line not have your dbs 15 to 20 yards away.

    i’m going to stop discussing this, it’s getting no where

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      I agree, it’s getting nowhere. You want to say the scheme is flawed because the defenders were playing off in a zero blitz. I understand your argument, but disagree with the premise. You don’t have to play press in a zero blitz. You can play off. But I will go so far as to agree that they shouldn’t be 11 yards off like they lined up, lol.

      I agree the scheme looked wacky, and I didn’t like it, but the fact the DBs clearly blew the coverage means everything to me. What else did they do wrong? Were they lined up too far off? As I pointed out before the top defender was only about 8 yds off the ball instead of the 11 the other two were.

      That 3 yards, plus the 4-5 yards X or the middle guy took in false steps covering the wrong man mean everything in that play. If that doesn’t happen, they don’t score a TD, period. And that may have been the entire goal of the playcall, just don’t give up the TD.

      My whole argument with you, is how can you say clearly the coach is tanking on that call when we can’t even be sure the DBs didn’t just fuck up the call entirely?

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        this is a discussion not an argument.
        they were all 10 to 11 yards off their recs at the snap, ck 4:51 of the video, how can you blow a coverage 10 yards off, all the rec did was cut to the middle. X was out of position at the snap, so were the other 2 dbs so it just doesn’t ring to me as a “blown coverage”

        i saw a diagram on TV of the play where they put a tank in the open space between the recs and the dbs. i’m not the only one saying that play was designed to tank.

        and why is X all of a sudden out for the year, could it be that he doesn’t want to look bad at the expense of tanking….i don’t know but maybe.

  58. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    So we paid $4 mil for a 5th round pick. Sounds like a lot, but if that guy becomes a starter for 2 or 3 years on his rook contract it becomes a steal. Problem of course is you gotta find that starter.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      we have so much cap space and i’m not sure what the cap bottom is avgd over 4 years but i would assume that a move like that would be helpful in that respect.

      so it’s really not like we blew that money for a draft pick, we’re just paying the dues that have to be paid.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Even if we will have a huge amount of cap space next year, not concerned with us hitting the minimum. As many teams have shown…. not hard to figure out how to spend it.

  59. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    October 30, 2019 at 10:14 am
    We can probably get a 4th rounder for him

    Reply
    I think we got 6 cans of Albacore for him.

  60. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Was out for two days and just catching up on the Drake trade….. and seems we are all still rooting for him — even ORob 🙂

    Not sure why but to me a 5th is a something and a 6th just a shot in the dark.

    • D's avatar D says:

      He’s third round talent, but due to limited exposure, his market was a 4th at best, and given we were trying to move him we lost even more leverage. A 6th, conditional 5th probably isnt bad, it just feels bad because he has so much big play potential its like thinking ya just let go of a Cohen or Kamara for peanuts.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        He could end up being a key lynch pin of a SB team, but will be one with a wide open offense that will not have him as lead back. And what we got for him was mostly influenced by him being a FA after the season….. unlike say Tunsil.

  61. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    • D's avatar D says:

      Id like to see them add a guy some what early that can play 1-3tech and i dont mean a NT, a 1-3tech DT. Derrick Brown would be a really good one but he is going to be a 10-15 pick. If for some reason he drops or we can make a play for him with our third first, Young, Thomas and Brown would make me way happier than any particular QB out of this class.

    • BailBondMike's avatar BailBondMike says:

      Wait, What? I thought we were being told he is a bust already or the wrong pick?

      • That was said by some people that have comprehension problems saying the bust word.

        What I was saying is Bush is a superior player than Wilkins, which is a completely different argument

        Bush obviously is far superior to Wilkins, Notice the b word wasn’t a part of that statement?

        Cue the next jerk that says Wilkins is a bust, I don’t think he is a bust
        But he is off to a poor start.
        Btw I also watched that game too, and there were PLENTY of plays I saw Wilkins out of position, Conner was unstoppable and we had very little pass rush.
        I also saw Wilkins stuck to blockers and couldn’t get free, along with a couple tackles.

        Wilkins has had a disappointing season so far, it’s time he shows why he belongs.

        He definitely has along way to go before he ever comes close to his full potential, but his peers are progressing much more rapidly than He so far.

        He isn’t even close to what we need or what he can be, he needs dramatic improvement, and if he decides to be a team player , he could become what we expected with the first round pick and more.

        However lineman can only do so much, we need a dynamic player at a game changing position like linebacker.
        Just turn on a Devin Bush video and the rest is self explanatory
        That is what this team needs, no more first round lineman, Fins need skilled position players with mad skills on offense and defense

        O or D Lineman projects won’t bring wins

  62. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Rob,

    The fact you won’t even admit one of the DBs blew their coverage responsibilities means at this point you are just being stubborn for the sake of it. Unless you honestly think the play was designed for two DBs to cover one receiver, then for one to change his mind and drop off that guy in which case…well I’ll let that speak for itself.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      not sure what you’re talking about, i can clearly see 3 dbs on 3 recs but they are playing too deep prior to the snap to cover them.
      you point to X as he blew his coverage because the rec went inside but the other two DBs were too deep as well, if they’re rec cut inside they would be toast also.

      you cant cover a rec 10 yards away from him.

      The question is why were all three DBs playing so far off their recs?

      the only conclusion i can come up with is that’s what they were told to do.

      it looks suspicious to say the least

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        “not sure what you’re talking about, i can clearly see 3 dbs on 3 recs…”

        When the ball is snapped, both X and Needham start moving backwards following the slot receiver who is running a go route (at the 5:22 mark). If one of them was covering the outside receiver from the start they wouldn’t have run backwards when he started running the slant, they would have run towards him.

        X started at about the 36 and ran backwards to about the 31 yd line before realizing nobody covered the slant, at that point, he changes direction and starts chasing the play from behind. Needham never stopped covering the go.

        Obviously both of them shouldn’t have covered the go, so one of them blew their responsibility.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        And again, if they don’t blow that coverage, it’s still a bad call in my book, but it doesn’t score a TD, and we’re not talking about it being the greatest tank play of all time, lol..

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        watch the video below

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        and put a leash on that snarling gorilla!

    • The real question to be answered is, Why would Flores make such an incredibly dumb play call, and then double down on his shit sandwich play call by defending it the next day?

      the dumbest play call in decades came after a timeout, did someone tell Flores to make that call so the team loses? I don’t know, if they did, that would be intentional tanking imo

      But if Flores just had his head up his ass when he made the dumbest defensive call ever, and it was a mistake,
      that’s not tanking, it’s called gross incompetence

  63. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Rob,the fact you heard it on the radio doesn’t prove anything. Talking heads do what they do. The media has been pushing the tanking story since before the season began so of course everything is looked at with tank colored glasses. Like I said yesterday, every team has a few questionable calls almost EVERY game.

    Did anyone accuse the Bears of tanking after that ridiculous decision to not try and get closer for their game winning FG after their kicker had already missed form that SAME spot earlier in the game? No, because their isn’t tanking story there. It was easily a worse decision than our one defensive play call at the end of the 1st half. It cost the Bears the game.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      correction – *there*
      for spelling nazis (you know who you are, lol)

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        I caught that, but actually it should have been “their” not “there” or “they’re”

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        original post – “because their isn’t tanking story there”

        First ‘their’ should be ‘there’ 😛

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        this is what i thought you were talking about

        you point to X as he blew his coverage because the rec went inside but the other two DBs were too deep as well, if (they’re) rec cut inside they would be toast also.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Oh, gotcha, you thought I was calling you out on a grammar mistake you made. I didn’t even catch yours, and I wouldn’t do that in the middle of a real discussion (I might playfully in some random post, but not while actually debating as I consider that to be weak sauce in the debate realm, lol). I was just calling out one of my own mistakes. 🙂

    • The third and 22 play call that Flores made, is one of the worst I have ever seen, period

      Other teams do not make this level of bad calls on a regular basis, there is no defense of the Flores 3-22 call, it stands alone as horrific

      Like ORob said, it was clear it was a TD when he made the catch.
      Of course Howard didn’t make the tackle, neither did any of the other 8 blitzing either.

      So that only left 2 more players to attempt an open field tackle in prevent Zone, SMH

      IMO any play call that has 90 percent of the team far away from the ball isnt a good one

  64. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    ocalarob says:
    October 30, 2019 at 1:23 pm
    and put a leash on that snarling gorilla!
    ————

    No leash needed, bro. I’m trained and housebroken, lol.

  65. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Phins are 5 point dogs at home to the Jets.
    That’s one we can win.

  66. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I guarantee Kong ate that kitten

  67. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    On the other hand, any coach that calls a blitz on 3rd and 22 will never win a football game. 🤡

  68. D's avatar D says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    October 30, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    The Dolphin couldn’t possibly live in that tiny end zone tank, he was transported back and forth for games.
    His name was flipper and he would toss footballs back on the field.
    Transportation costs and inflation were rising during the early 70,s and Flipper retired, when Joe Robbie decided to cut expenses
    —————————————-
    I knew he didnt live there terds lol. Still PETA would freak over having him there in that thing even for the few hours of a game.

  69. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    I think Flores and Grahm have their work cut out for them next week, it’s going to be really tough to lose against the jets, not sure they can pull that off!

  70. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    maybe they can rush 11…..hmm?

  71. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    We ran a similar D against Detroit 5 years ago on the last play of the first half, not the blitz part, but the guys way off of the LOS. Dude catches a 20 yard pass and gets OOB in 3 seconds and they kick an FG.

    • I remember that one, but the Flores call was much worse, like the time we didn’t have defensive players in the middle of the field to tackle Tebow,
      And left a gaping hole with LB spread out that he ran right up the middle to beat the Fins!

      selfish Ross was on the sidelines watching the Tebow tank job that day, he liked Tebow

      • the Tebow two point conversion defensive playcall, also came during a timeout like the Flores 3-22 call did

        I was shocked the coach called time out on an opponent 2 point conversion, and then even more amazed that the call was Horrible and the team lost the game
        On a play where Everyone knew Tebow was a threat to run the gap

  72. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    If the Dolphins beat the Jest on Sunday what will be the next flavor of disgruntlement?

    A: Flores was so obvious in his tank on that one single play last Sunday, that he was forced to call a good game against the Jest.

    B: Great! The Dolphins can’t even tank right.

    C: Obviously the Jest are tanking, and they are better at it than the Dolphins.

    D: Well even when you tank, you’re bound to win at least one game.

    E: Incoherent babble…Death Ross…babble…Dolphins sell team skirts…elephant toes

  73. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    pheloniusphish says:

    October 30, 2019 at 11:06 am

    Did no one else watch the NE-CLE game. NE ran the zero blitz on almost every 3rd and long, regardless of field position. Successfully, because their CB didn’t blow the man coverage. Flores is trying to replicate NE’s success, just doesn’t have the players yet.

    pheloniusphish says:

    October 30, 2019 at 11:14 am

    I liked the call. Hate prevent. There was an earlier 3rd and 20 where they played zone and gave up 18, then the first. Fuck prevent, play aggressive. Rather lose trying than lose curled up.
    ____

    This is how I feel also. Try to establish an identity, even though you may not have the players to pull it off right now. I liked the aggressiveness, I hope it continues.

  74. sb7mvp says:
    October 30, 2019 at 9:14 am
    David,
    I guess that boat picture is like a rorshach test. You only see into it what you want to see.

    Reply

    not only was your guess wrong, You missed the sarcasm too

    your an arguijng lil bitch today
    , didnt get laid last nite?

  75. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    The Cover Zero Blitz explained

    • D's avatar D says:

      There is no real reason to explain it more thoroughly, the explanation isn’t the problem lol. It isn’t a bad call as much as its very different from what usually gets called in that specific circumstance, the rest of the argument is just if you feel like we are purposefully tanking or not and thats not going to be swayed in any argument.

  76. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    This board will never die even if the Phins never win another game. We can get into fights about just one play. Yes the crew knows how to amuse itself. 🙂

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      I didn’t mention it earlier since we were having a good discussion, but when Rob and I debate we can’t even agree on what to call it (arguing or discussing).

      I tacitly met him half way and started calling it debating, lmao.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        ORob just likes to get people going. Wonder if he will be rooting for Drake to get more than 9 yards on a carry now.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Everyone on this board just like to get people going. It’s a prerequisite, lol.

  77. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    October 30, 2019 at 5:27 pm
    yes it can Phel, , there are tens of mullions of US socialists, try google instead of hannity
    __________________________________________
    Reading is fundamental. I said you can’t be an American and a socialist. Didn’t say anything about being a citizen and a socialist. AOC is a citizen and a socialist, but she is not an American.

    • still wrong, google this up buddy, hannity lied, lol

      expand Your source base, trust me Hannity is not an expert on socialism

      • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

        Since you like Google, try it on your head count of socialist in America. Other than that I am not going down the rabbit hole of trying to communicate with you. You are too stupid and a complete waste of carbon. An oxygen thief.You make people dumber just by existing.

      • AOC isnt an American, is that what hannity is telling others? lmao figures

        this is why we cant believe a guy like him, the true definitions of Americans and socialists are defined much better by something as simple as wikipedia

        AOC is more American than us, she WORKS for the government, other Americans voted her in,

        how did Melania get in> lol dont have to answer the Melania question, we all know how she got here from a foreign country to do sort porn and escorting

        but Melania is an American too, she just earned it in a different way than AOC

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Phelon — pretty clear socialism is cool with the younger crowd these days….. well them and Bernie.

      • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

        It is with some. About 30% of Millennials. Doesn’t change the fact that socialism is the antithesis of Americanism. Socialism is all about coercion and group think. Socialism is a drive to mediocrity. Americanism is individual choice and achievement. Americanism is the drive to excellence.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Never said was a fan. Same time see it as a continuum rather than a light switch. Am actually for higher taxes on the rich (even if would like to see go to stuff like infrastructure) and my bigger concern is the isolationist frenzy going on, both economically and in terms of immigration. Oddly enough that sets me up with some of the socialists….. even if more thinking Biden or Mayor Pete.

  78. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    David,
    Me correcting you isn’t arguing. Be a man, admit you’re wrong and move on.

    • i would admit i was wrong if i was, can You admit You knew exactly what i thought when i saw a stupid picture of a dumb ass boat? lol
      are You aware that people can see colors differently? it looks pink to Me, red to You

      no one is right or wrong on this, its just what You see is different than what others may see

  79. D's avatar D says:

    David C (@DolphinsSB52) says:
    October 30, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    yes it can Phel, , there are tens of mullions of US socialists, try google instead of hannity
    ————————————————–
    There was a hook in that bait bro, just saying.

  80. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Wyo,

    Looks like it’s going to come down to the Greinke acquisition! Good luck!!

  81. Phel, its not my fault You werent aware that there are millions of socialists that are American

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I think what Phish means is that yes there are U.S. citizens who are socialist but they’re not “American”.

  82. I doubt anyone is asking Phel to like socialists, but what i would like to ask is be careful on Your American definitions, respect other Americans rights to be American even if their ideology is different than Yours
    i dont agree with everything she says, but i feel no desire or credible argument to claim shes a foreigner
    denying Americans their AMerican rights is unAmerican, lol

    Im not a socialist or a fascist, but im aware of their existence, and cant say they dont exist if i dont like them

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      People say what they say. And obviously in the MAGA age american is in play.

      More important is what we can control. How’s the new job going?

  83. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Considering screen display settings can vastly change the way a color looks from one person’s device to the next, the tanker color dialogue, or discourse if you will, is hilarious. 🙂

  84. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I’ve been accused of being “cryptic” here for some time, LOL. Seems I’m not so “cryptic” when a few seem to automatically assume intentions. Thus, I suppose I’m not so “cryptic”… at least to these very omniscient and assuming few.

    Which brings me to the point: there is WAAAAY too much personal insulting going on here, and it’s the few that are doing as much (one of which is a bloody moderator, for crying out loud). You’d swear it’s grade school again, with some of the really low pot-shots taken at some of us regulars… over mere football opinions? GEEZ!

    This is unsustainable, and a house divided can’t stand. And yes, I’m tired of these few playing the “victim card”. The gat-damn hypocrisy of these few is nauseating, being they got served and couldn’t take it with their very thin skin regarding issues outside of football. Now I see LONG-TIME regulars being harassed, mocked, and ridiculed by these sleazy few. It’s a shame.

    One individual here can’t keep my name out his/it’s mouth, though I’ve not addressed him/it in months here after his/it’s blatant lies about me, coupled with personal and unwarranted attacks on me as a human… he/it’s DEAD to me, as he/it should be DEAD to you, being he’s playing the “victim card”. I somehow “victimized” him/it in a disagreement of sorts, and now he/it’s seeking vengeance against me. I don’t play games, and I’ll fire like Trump. VICTIM CARDS are for LOSERS, and here ya have one of your own playing that very card, accusing others of doing what he/it has been and IS doing, for a very long time. Let’s be clear: he/it is a Saul Alinsky acolyte, and Saul learned much from Nazi Germany (Joseph Goebbels).

    I ordered king crab legs earlier this week, and I got the whole crab (that’s what we bosses DO). And like the king crab, this place is REALLY good for the most part… being honest! But like the king crab I ordered — and knowingly — I had to clean/separate the legs from the rest of the carcass (“shit hole” included, for lack of better words), in order to enjoy the meal. Some of you here may have done a “catch-and-eat” process regarding crabs or fish. You do NOT eat the guts, the ass hole, nor what could otherwise be toxic. Am I being “cryptic” here? NO… I think any intelligent life can UNDERSTAND my “cryptic” message.

    I’m not sure when this blog turned into a snobbish “Member’s Only” club, but if that is the wish of the administrators, I will kindly turn away. I’ve ALWAYS wanted to attend one of the famed “Mob Fests”, and I feel honored that I’ve been asked for years to attend one. I’m a very busy man, thus my absences, truly. But so long as these personal attacks on multiple individuals continue… why would I want to attend one? Seriously… I’d like a good answer on that.

    I seek PEACE! PLEASE stop crapping on fellow bloggers! Is that message too “cryptic” to understand?

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      The heart, liver, and row are pretty good if you got a mess! 😉

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      M13 — this place is as it has always been….. an unmoderated board. Like to think we self-moderate as a group at times, but there is really no ref, just the group.

      You’ve been here through all the flame wars over the years. What is different about it now? To me it is relatively mellow.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I say you are cryptic because you don’t just come out and say what you’re referring to or who you’re calling out. So that leaves people wondering what you’re talking about and many people here have said they don’t know what you’re talking about because of that. It’s that simple. Just say it, that’s all I’m saying.

  85. the full name of this country is the United States of America

    obviously anyone born here is an American, but how many truly believe in the United States part of the name?
    if one believes themself a true American, but isnt down with the United States part of it, are they really down with all of it , or are they just dividing and cherry picking?

    anyone that believes the Divided states of America? that cannot be a full and true American IMO, because they do not fit the entire name of the country

  86. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    City folks??????

    You got to drop the “A”

    It’s Mericans! Mericans aint Socio-whatevers! 😉

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      LOL — when you come to the Fest hope you won’t have a problem with me being married to an immigrant of color from a big city who used to work for the “Deep State” in “the Swamp.” She’s legal though. 🙂

  87. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  88. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    ORob,
    I will just give you my .02 worth on the play situation. I’m not saying it’s an absolute choice. You can also decide to play tight man-2-man in that situation. You don’t have to play it that way though. You can play off-man. You could play zone too. The point of off man on the 3rd and 20 isn’t to stop the pass. You hope the pressure gets there…a sack is the idea, but if the throw is made you let them make it under say 10 yards and then tackle them short of making the first down. You expect your guys to be able to come up and make a tackle. That’s their job.
    ***
    It’s virtually impossible for us to know as fans because we don’t know what the players are coached to do or what they called. I say the same thing with DL play all the time. But, it sure looked like X either thought he was playing the left third zone OR was man-man on the inside guy because the way he broke when the ball is snapped was the wrong thing to do if you are man-2-man on the outside guy. Why would you break backwards and towards the sideline when your guy goes up and breaks in? You don’t. You would mirror the receiver but come forward as soon as he gets, say 5-10 yards, depending how the coach wants it played. Plus, it looked like he halfassed getting to the receiver cutting in. There was no urgency in his move once he’d already put himself out of position. That shit pisses me off way more than making a mental mistake. He should have been in position to make a tackle with a 10 yard cushion to make a play.
    ***
    It is possible that the middle defender was supposed to be man-2-man on the outside receiver, but I really don’t know why you’d do that. It makes it much more difficult, so I believe X had that guy….not Needham or whoever the hell was in there. If they were playing zone and X thought that inside guy was going to break over into his one, then it makes more sense. Maybe, they’re just asked to hover back and break on a pass when it’s made. We all have no idea. Your assertion that it HAS to be played one way is just not accurate. It’s one way to do it but not the only way.

  89. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    I promise not to post another Pre-Game tweet again!

  90. Randy's avatar Randy says:

    Wyoming,
    Are they still playing baseball? Huh.

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