Happy 4th of July!

Happy Independence Day to all of you! The best country in the world, and don’t let ANYONE try and tell you otherwise!


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  1. stangerx says:

    Guess since in the slow zone for Dolphins news, Krabbs explored when the Phins could next go on Hard Knocks. And did learn something.

    Teams can be forced to go on the HBO show unless:
    * have a first-year head coach
    * have made the playoffs in the last two seasons
    * appeared on the show in the past 10 years.

    Unless Flores gets fired in 2022 or we make the playoffs that means earliest year we can be forced on the show is 2023. Cause in 2012 we learned how much Vontae Davis loves his grandma.

    Not even entertaining that Flores would offer us up to HBO.

  2. bailbondmike says:

    I hate working holidays. I hate when I go to get a paper clip there is like 4-5 all clipped together and drop those, pick up another to find one by itself only to find the next one and the next one after that clipped to another damn paperclip. WTF! lol

    To make me feel better, I went to the desk of the person who irritates me the most in this office and clipped all her paperclips together. Even double and triple clipped them sumbitches. When she goes to get one she is going to get fifty. LOL I must be the most immature 57y.o. I know. 🙂

    • stangerx says:

      LOL — it’s cool so long as you tell her.

      Thought a Holiday Weekend would be prime time for you, or maybe that comes later on.

  3. bailbondmike says:

    Another thing that made me feel good is that my boss is a 6’3 270 pound country boy who is tough as nails, would bite the head off a rattlesnake tough, but is scared shitless of spiders that invade his space. Freaks the fuck out.

    Every morning he comes in and within the 1st hour he empties the safe to count the money. Before doing that he opens his desk drawer to make sure his gun is in there. We are not in the best part of town. I was able to sneak over to the flea market yesterday and as I was browsing I came across this fake big hairy wolf spider. This thing is no shit real looking. You can even bend the legs a little.

    Anyway, it is hiding in his gun drawer with one leg on the pistol grip waiting for him to open the drawer. It will be looking right at him.

    I have access to our office security cameras through my cell phone where I can watch in real time. I am going to sit back and watch while I drink my coffee at home Tuesday morning. lol

  4. bailbondmike says:

    Stanger, been steady but no busier than any other weekend so far.

    • stangerx says:

      Maybe not the same customer base, but when waited tables could never figure out why our restaurant would be so dead the Sunday before a Monday holiday. Not like people had to get up for work.

  5. ocalarob says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    July 4, 2021 at 10:56 am

    I thought you said olive oil is bad for you before?

    nope, Olive oil is very healthy for you unless you heat it, it then becomes rancid.
    use avocado or coconut oil to cook with.

  6. CavalierKong says:


    Happy 4th!!

  7. stangerx says:

    Title of former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s upcoming book:

    “Republican Rescue: Saving the Party from Truth Deniers, Conspiracy Theorists, and the Dangerous Policies of Joe Biden.”

  8. stangerx says:

    He now has 30 years and 8 suspensions in his history. Must be really good.

  9. sb7mvp says:

    Happy Fourth from the Nation’s capital! Biden had an ice cream truck at the national mall giving out free ice cream. Lol. You better believe I got some.

    • stangerx says:

      Sounds like the reception hall is a sky box. 🙂

      That’s really cool, but you do know your mission is to dig up dirt on Liam Eichenberg?

      • Ken says:

        There are 2 reception in the sky box area but the essentially run the length of the stadium on each side. I assume on game days they use the reception as serving stations for the sky box patrons as the sky boxes are attached to the reception halls

      • Ken says:

        Also the school must rake in tons of money from weddings. We were there Friday and Saturday. There was one wedding Friday night and 3 on Saturday. 2 of them simultaneously in the stadium and the other was in one of their banquet facilities. All the guests stayed at the hotel on campus called the Morris Inn. Literally almost ran into Jerome Bettis on the elevator

      • stangerx says:

        Guess if you went to Notre Dame having Touchdown Jesus officiate the nuptials is mandatory.

        Assuming each wedding includes on field pics of the wedding party. How else could it be?

      • Ken says:

        Actually wedding party lined and ran a few plays

      • stangerx says:

        Did the priest catch the Hail Mary? 🙂

      • Ken says:

        No but he could. He was the priest for the basketball and football teams. Looked like in his prime he could have played QB or small forward

  10. stangerx says:

    “When I was in elementary school, I feared that I was lesbian. When I was in middle school, I came out to my family and close friends as bisexual. When I was in high school, I discovered pansexuality and thought, ‘That’s the flag for me.’ I’ve recently learned more about demisexuality and have believed that that identity resonates with me most,”

    — Michaela Kennedy-Cuomo, the youngest daughter of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo
    Demisexual is an individual who only feels sexually attracted to someone when they have an emotional bond. A demisexual person can be gay, straight, bisexual, or pansexual, and can have any gender identity. So basically anything goes so long as not into one-night stands.

  11. Mike E. says:

    What I can’t understand is why people with a specific deviant sexual preference feels the need to classify themselves and why anyone gives them the microphone or the ink. Who gives a fuck if you have a vacuum fetish and date a Hoover and identify as a Dyson? Keep it to yourself fuckface and enjoy it! No one else needs to know and you don’t get a special fucking flag for it or government protection or financial aid for vacuum replacement parts.

  12. manitobafinfan says:

    Tampa has to try to win at home I guess 🙁…. Go Lightning

  13. CavalierKong says:

    So if you’re only into blonde women that eat from the palm of your hand -literally- does that make you apesexual?

  14. pheloniusphish says:

    Makes you lonely. Plenty of blondes out there, but finding one that will eat from the palm of your hand is tough.

  15. Mike E. says:

    Interesting, and very believable . . .

    • ocalarob says:

      she was having a private conversation and a recording device picked it up, it’s blown way out of proportion. but let’s cry racism anyway.
      unhappy that she had lost work due to ESPN being influenced by racism.
      it wasn’t about the black girl it was about ESPN, she apologized to her anyway but didn’t get a response back. classless.
      ESPN is woke, nothing to report there.

      • Mike E. says:

        I’m not crying white on black racism. I actually think there’s a good case of racism the other way here, against whites, and I think it’s happening more and more. As they keep promoting “white privilege” and “white supremacy”, the needle is going to swing the other way and people will hate whites more and more. I think it needs to stop, it’s out of control.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Unfortunately it’s a one way street.

        If their roles had been reversed, nobody would have cared that she said the other girl got the job because she was white. The only story would have been the debate over whether it was true or not.

  16. ocalarob says:

    i was just wondering, when you go to get your driver license, what hair color do you tell them when you are as bald as a babies ass?

  17. stangerx says:

    Sorta not right to see people in America marching through the streets in identical uniform-like dress and full face ISIS-like masks. And maybe they shouldn’t have chosen Philly….. needed a police escort to get back to their vehicles.

    • steveccnv says:

      Don’t know anything about this group, but wouldn’t assume they’re white supremacists just because those on the left say they are.

      Most of these types of groups are nationalists, that’s why they use Patriot in the name

      • stangerx says:

        Whatever they are this just ain’t right….. and they chose to do it late at night.

      • steveccnv says:

        Don’t hear you complaining about blm and antifa violently marching thru the streets

      • stangerx says:

        Then you haven’t paid enough attention. Peaceful protests are one thing. But if violent locke’em up. These guys came with shields.

      • steveccnv says:

        So you denounce antifa and blm?

      • stangerx says:

        steve — I denounce antifa in total and the elements of blm that break the law. Always have.

      • steveccnv says:

        Clintonesque words on BLM, why not just denounce them?

      • stangerx says:

        steve — cause I think they have the right to say what they believe even if don’t agree with it. Lots of groups like that for me. Believe in free speech. Don’t you?

    • Tim Knight says:

      What did they expect this to accomplish? As if people are going to change their minds and say “okay, I want to join your stupid club?”

      Protests are ridiculous and don’t accomplish anything.

      • stangerx says:

        Think they expected what they did to be a power move that would hit the news, and it did. Did you know what the Patriot Front was before this? Good for recruiting like such stuff was for the Proud Boys.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes, I was aware of them from some documentary I saw a few years ago. They are an American white supremacist, neo-fascist, and American nationalist group which utilizes imagery of patriotism, liberty, and other widely accepted American values to promote its ideology.

        Not sure how white supremacist and neo-fascist equates with patriotism and liberty. Idiots!

  18. stangerx says:

    Interesting stat: “Last season, per Sports Info Solutions, NFL quarterbacks attempts 18.983 passes, and of those passes, 7,998 went to targets in the slot. That 42.1% slot target rate throughout the league tells you everything you need to know about how teams see the importance of the slot receiver these days.”

    Almost makes you wish we’d drafted a slot guy. 🙂

    • steveccnv says:

      We didn’t draft a slot guy, we drafted THE slot guy.

      Mostly easy passes to these receivers, that allow you to maneuver between the 20s.

      Cheats way

      • stangerx says:

        Article pulled that from was a ranking of the best slot receivers (with no draftees). Tyreek was #1. And we know who Waddle is compared to at least.

  19. bailbondmike says:

    Who gives a fuck if you have a vacuum fetish and date a Hoover and identify as a Dyson?
    I tried a Kirby one time. Not a good idea. Those things are powerful. ;-O

  20. Tim Knight says:

    Hope everyone had a nice Independence Day holiday.

    On another note, never understood why anyone thought of a vacuum as an alternative option for a blow job. LOL

  21. bailbondmike says:

    Last I checked a shield is not a weapon. It’s for protection. Not like BLM and ANTIFA carrying baseball bats among other shit to bust windows and destroy tax payer paid for police cars. Not to mention the ones who took over city blocks in Portland for months wielding AK47’s and shit.

    Notice in the photo’s the groups cooperation with the police. No resisting. Haven’t heard about or seen anything in the photo’s showing any looting or buildings burning. No one running up to someone and sucker punching them just for the hell of it. No one yelling in someone’s face while they are trying to eat dinner.

    Gray Hall is just another left wing ABC news affiliate hack trying to stoke the racial fire in an attempt to blow his way up the left wing media ladder by promoting left wing agenda.

    China is on the cusp of taking over half the world and we have a WH that is totally fucking lost and an embarrassment. It is filtering down to the top brass of the military. Our oppositions have no fear of the US and see the US as a joke right now and it is. You should really be keeping an eye on China and everything they are doing around the world and not just militarily or economically. Two years from now China will be the new #1 world power.

    There will be nothing to stop it because our WH and the left wingnut democrats are stuck on continuing to divide the country so they may conquer we the people. Whether they are stopped or succeed does not matter. It is getting to the point of being to late.

    • steveccnv says:


    • stangerx says:

      Can’t you be against groups like the Patriot Front and Antifa? Just not a fan of extremists of any stripe. And their dress, masks , shields and late night march through the streets reminded me of the Brown Shirts in style.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes you can, I’m against every group that is extreme and close-minded and has no idea what the USA is supposed to stand for. They’re all misguided.

  22. CavalierKong says:

    “You should really be keeping an eye on China and everything they are doing around the world and not just militarily or economically.”


  23. stangerx says:

    Call me crazy, but sorta a fan of Democracy
    “The time of the Republic has passed in America as the system grows too weak to perform its duty. … The damage done to this nation and its people will not be fixed if every issue requires the approval and blessing from the dysfunctional American democratic system. Democracy has failed in this once great nation.”

    — Patriot Front manifesto.

    • steveccnv says:

      So then why vote for the guy with the socialist agenda?

      • stangerx says:

        Was he against democracy?

      • steveccnv says:

        Absolutely, he’s pushing the far left agenda, that would make him against democracy.

        You know he is and why you said, that’s what Joe Manchin is for

      • stangerx says:

        You do get that a socialist form of government and a democratic one are not mutually exclusive?

        I don’t like Biden’s policies either as a Republican, but hardly see him as a Socialist (that’s Bernie). But saw the far greater threat to this country in his opponent, who is not really a Republican either….. least by the definition I grew up with.

      • steveccnv says:

        What do you think free money is?

        He doesn’t come out and say he’s socialist, but his actions say otherwise

      • CavalierKong says:

  24. steveccnv says:


    Stupid people read these stats and say Jones sucked last year, but that’s not all there is to grading a DB.

    Every time a pass wasn’t thrown to his cover, on a passing play, is a positive.

    Do you want the guy that gets thrown at 20 plays a game gives up 11 receptions for 110 yards or the guy that gets thrown at 5 times and gives up 3 catches for 40 yards?

    • CavalierKong says:

      LOL, Dolphins fans are representing in the comments section.

    • Tim Knight says:

      The area we struggled in pass defense was on crossing routes because of man coverage. Howard shut down receivers many times as well. Our CB tandem is arguably the best in the league. Better pass rush and slot play could make us almost impossible to throw against consistently.

  25. stangerx says:

    “Sometimes the loudest person in the room is not the smartest person. Sometimes the loudest person in the room is not the person who has all the facts on their side or the truth on their side. Sometimes there’s a lot of wisdom in silence. Sometimes there’s a lot of wisdom in being selective on what you say.”

    — Aaron Rodgers regarding his recent silence over whether he will return to the Packers, and who clearly has no respect for loud people.

  26. stangerx says:

    Didn’t realize that Malcolm Perry only deferred his Naval commitments until his playing career is over. When the time comes going to be Anchors Aweigh.

  27. mf13ss says:

    I don’t understand why “Russia, Russia, Russia” isn’t being hollered any longer with Biden in office. What’s more, it seems as though China is our close ally with Biden in office (LOL). Additionally, Biden is trying to restore 0bama’s Iran Deal, to make them nuclear proficient sooner than later — at our expense — as they threaten to kill “little Satan” (Israel) and “BIG Satan” (USA).

    Am I missing something? I mean, really?

    • mf13ss says:

      What’s more, Jen Psaki came out today, threatening to go “door-by-door”, to make sure those who haven’t been injected with an experimental vaccine, take it.

      That some LIST BS, and reminiscent of Nazi Germany. But President Trump was the so-called “Nazi”? SMH

      • mf13ss says:

        Funny how the left used to be the party of CIVIL RIGHTS, but now they have become tyrannical. The left has gone SO FAR off the rails that they have now become a threat to our country and her liberties.

  28. Tim Knight says:

    It’s a pump up your chest type of thing to say, but do you really believe in it?

  29. wyoming85 says:

    The my dumb-asses are better than your Dumb-asses argument is sweet!

  30. wyoming85 says:

    I’m gonna come out of the closet!
    When I was younger I was a try-sexual!

    And I’d try it twice if I liked it!

  31. wyoming85 says:


  32. Tim Knight says:

    I’m attracted to women and still don’t get the feel of sultry lips versus a fuckin’ vacuum!!! LOL

  33. New Age says:

    Really dead time of year so football related. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/06/had-nfl-been-more-accepting-of-marijuana-ricky-williams-believes-he-would-be-in-canton/

    Ricky, get over it. You don’t deserve Canton, you made your choice. Maybe he should stick to trying to promote his product…or does no one want to talk about that? It must be frustrating.

    “I have this elite blend of…”
    “Ricky, tell me about football!”
    “That’s in the past, I want to tal”
    “Ricky, do you ever regret choosing weed over a bust in the home of the greatest football players in history?”
    “Umm, can we move on? I’m feeling the need for some Highsmith suddenly”

    • steveccnv says:

      As a player thought he was great, but tried to watch a video of things in his life and it’s was painfully boring, he was yawn

  34. Krishna says:

    Not sure what you mean by, “get over it”. Speculation is not groveling or whining. Get over it….lol.

    • steveccnv says:

      No, but dwelling on the past is what he’s talking about not speculation

    • New Age says:

      He hasn’t played in a decade yet he’s still talking about the NFL drug substance policy? Sounds like…he hasn’t gotten over it per the statement.

      • sb7mvp says:

        It was outdated when he was playing and it’s outdated today. That’s why he’s still talking about it.

      • steveccnv says:

        To say it’s outdated is just an opinion, and mine as well.

        This role model fantasy they try to pull on a reason why it shouldn’t be allowed is BS.

        I mean these gladiators go to war for our enjoyment, beat themselves up along the way, they should be able to unwind with weed

      • New Age says:

        2500 other players were able to follow basic directions and rules. He’s no better than they are. He’s on only going to be in your HoF.

  35. Krishna says:

    MJ is not a performance enhancing drug. Just fyi for the ignorant. Lol.

  36. steveccnv says:


    Things that will make Tua better than last year, that are easily attainable or already attained:

    Playbook now designed for him, WRs now on team, full offseason in the playbook with ability to change plays, fully recovered from hip.

    For these reasons, think he’s already taken the next step.

    Compared to Herbert who think he’s as likely to regress as take the next step.

    As for these bold predictions in article, prediction 1 we don’t need Fuller to lead the team in receiving yards, we just need him to be himself as he was last year.

    Prediction 2 Parker being PB alternate, he just needs to be on the field and he’ll do what he does.

    Prediction 3 Waddle under 700 yards, agree with that, but don’t think it’s much of a bold prediction based on all the quality WRs we have, think the over would be bolder.

    My bold prediction is we average 30 pts a game and win 13 games, but that’s not the subject of the article, so as a team we’re in the top 5 in receiving yards by WRs don’t care who gets what stats,, just be great as a unit

  37. sb7mvp says:

    Ricky is in my HOF and that’s all that matters.

  38. steveccnv says:


    I see Bowden as WR6, with Grant WR7 (Williams and Wilson are my WR4 and WR5), and both making the roster for week 1, question will be if they both are on the roster week 2, when Fuller comes off suspension.

    Sure would like to have Fuller week 1, but without him it gives us the option to hold another WR for 1 more week, then evaluate the team needs

    • pheloniusphish says:

      If they are going to cut them they will do it before the first week of th/e season. Otherwise their salaries are guaranteed as vested veterans.

      • steveccnv says:

        Forgot about that.

        I’d think Grant has some trade value, but maybe not too much at that salary

  39. steveccnv says:

    Good contract article. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-salary-cap-terms-tricks-to-know-ahead-of-nfl-free-agency-2021

    A prime example of total guarantees being very misleading played out already this offseason. Miami Dolphins linebacker Kyle Van Noy signed a four-year, $51 million contract with $30 million in total guarantees in 2020, but that deal ultimately ended up as a one-year, $15 million deal. Van Noy’s entire 2021 base salary — $12.5 million — was guaranteed for injury only at signing and was set to become fully guaranteed the fifth day of the 2021 league year in March. That’s why the Dolphins moved on before that date. Van Noy will now see none of that money.

    So that “horrible” contract we gave KVN wasn’t so bad afterall

  40. ocalarob says:

    Krishna says:
    July 7, 2021 at 10:10 am
    MJ is not a performance enhancing drug. Just fyi for the ignorant. Lol.

    tell that to the olympic committee, crazy!


  41. steveccnv says:

    Starting D
    Base Nickel
    X/Iggy, Jones, Iggy/Holland slot, Rowe and Holland/Jones/McCourty

    Wilkins, Ogbah, Davis, Phillips, McKinney and Baker

    Going to be fun watching these guys get schemed all over the lot

  42. stangerx says:

    Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase “Dirty Cop.” And man would have done the streaker thing too.
    A former Florida cop is gearing up to serve a decade in prison for forcing a pair of teens to strip naked and run in order to evade arrest.

    Martinez was convicted of extortion and unlawful compensation for forcing two 18-year-olds, Kyle Shoulta and Remy Riley, to strip and then run naked in order to avoid arrest. Shoulta testified that he “was given a choice of go to jail or run, so I took the choice to run naked.”

    The couple was on their way to a concert when Martinez pulled them over. Shoulta apparently had run a red light and there was marijuana and alcohol in the vehicle. Instead of arresting the couple, Martinez lured them to a remote area where he instructed them to strip and then run naked. He told them that doing this would get them out of the arrest.

    “I took my pants off. I took my shirt off,” Riley said. “I kind of looked at him like, ‘Is this enough?’ He’s like, ‘That’s it?’ I turned around from them. I turned away. I took my underwear off. I took my bra off.”

  43. Krishna says:

    I think it’s odd the NFL is now doing pain management studies with pot. So ridiculous (sarcasm intended).

    Yet, athletes were suspended for a non-performance enhancing drug (lol, I keep forgetting it’s illegal, too).

    The WADA decision on MJ is ridiculous. Seems like a good ole boy network.

    I have never understood the descrimination between it and alcohol. I’m sure there’s a reason, just wonder what it is.

  44. steveccnv says:

    Watching the Euro cup semi with Denmark and England, the England player takes a dive in the box, no contact, and gets a penalty kick.

    This is the problem with sports with a goal

  45. mf13ss says:

    Ricky will always be in my ‘Ring of Honor’ and ‘Hall of Fame’. I will never condone the use of MJ (nor condemn it), but I absolutely understand where he’s coming from. And as others have rightfully stated, MJ is not a performance-enhancing drug.

    Ricky and I still stay in contact with each other, and he really is a good dude. He’s very complicated (meaning BRIGHT), and he doesn’t have a bad bone in his entire body. Just my $.02.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I never cared that Ricky smoked weed. He made his own life choices when he did and retired. I hold no grudges with him but as good as he was, he didn’t have the stats to be HOF or the Dolphins Ring of Honor. No doubt how he went about things hurt him though.

    • Krishna says:

      I have followed Ricky since his days at UT.

      He’s an odd duck for sure and I always admired his pursuit of what was right for him. ……never a follower.

  46. mf13ss says:

    Just throwing this out there… how many of y’all heard Calvin “MEGATRON” Johnson (post-retirement) say he used to get high off MJ before every game? Yes, he said it.

  47. Krishna says:

    What’s the worse that could happen?

    He loses his focus and gets taken out….lol!

  48. Krishna says:

    Gateway….I guess if you get a driver’s license it’s a gateway to drunk driving, speeding, driving while impaired?

    What the fuck does gateway mean? Once you enter, your decisions are no longer yours? LMFAO!

  49. stangerx says:

    24-34 in total NFL rushing yards. Ricky deserve the Hall ?
    24 Ricky Watters 10,643 1992-2001
    25 Jamal Lewis 10,607 2000-2009
    26 Thomas Jones 10,591 2000-2011
    27 Tiki Barber 10,449 1997-2006
    28 Eddie George 10,441 1996-2004
    29 Marshawn Lynch 10,413 2007-2019
    30 Ottis Anderson 10,273 1979-1992
    31 Ricky Williams 10,009 1999-2011
    32 Clinton Portis 9,923 2002-2010
    33 Matt Forte 9,796 2008-2017
    34 Joe Perry+ 9,723 1948-1963

    • Krishna says:

      Just not good enough, stangerx! Lmao.

      Was he the only player a team gave up their entire draft to take him with the first pick? Wasn’t that Ditka with the Saints? Any other time that’s happened?

    • Tim Knight says:

      This is why the answer is no. Too many other guys in that range. You need to have special numbers.

  50. Krishna says:

    Once you buy a gun, it’s a gateway to murder and mass killing! Lmao!

  51. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    July 7, 2021 at 6:22 pm
    How did he never fail a test?
    That’s a great question, and I haven’t the answer.

  52. mf13ss says:

    New Age says:
    July 7, 2021 at 9:04 am
    Really dead time of year so football related. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/06/had-nfl-been-more-accepting-of-marijuana-ricky-williams-believes-he-would-be-in-canton/

    Ricky, get over it. You don’t deserve Canton, you made your choice. Maybe he should stick to trying to promote his product…or does no one want to talk about that? It must be frustrating…
    I wanted to address you, man, so as to say that I ALSO understand your point of view. Ricky is certainly a polarizing figure, and I don’t mean to say that I agree with every choice he’s made.

    You bring up valid points, none of which I can disagree with. Everybody’s a little bit different, and Ricky is certainly a bird of a different feather.

  53. Krishna says:

    Again, I see the justification of “get over it”.

    He is speculating and there is no regret inin his comments. You can read between the lines whatever you want, but I don’t see it.

    In fact, he states he wouldn’t change a thing.

  54. Krishna says:

    ^I don’t see the justification……

  55. manitobafinfan says:

    For OD and Bookman

  56. wyoming85 says:

    I see why the country is slowly circling toward the drain!

    Ricky is a quitter!

    No sympathy at all!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Not sure I agree with that. He is who he is.

      • wyoming85 says:

        He quit the team! That is the very definition of a quitter!

      • mf13ss says:

        Wyoming, Ricky had issues. In fact, all of us have issues to some degree.
        I agree with Tim: he is who he is.

      • mf13ss says:

        So in the draft process, we attempt to identify those who may have overriding issues. Ricky got through the cracks, due to his exemplary performance on the field and in school.

        The Draft process will never be perfect, but we had one helluva RB in Ricky Williams.

  57. wyoming85 says:

    Oh I feel for Ricky and his issues.

    But that’s a different conversation than Canton, or the ring of honor!

  58. Mike E. says:

    I agree with Wyo. Quitter!

  59. Tim Knight says:

    I never said Ricky was good or bad. He is what he was and is.

  60. Krishna says:

    Yep, I”ve quit before when I realized I was the workhorse and carrying the load. It was my health and well being vs the company’s selfish interest in not hiring help.

    Ricky has social/anxiety disorder, as well. I don’t understand it, but I don’t judge it.

    Wannstedt was clueless and one of the worse coaches in Dolphin history. Ricky had the most carries of any RB in the NFL when he was with them. That’s all Wannstedt knew, run Ricky, run.

    His body after 10 seasons needed rest or relief. He didn’t see that anything was going to change, so he quit. Call it what you want. He stood up for what he thought was best for himself physically, mentally, and emotionally. He made a life decision. He never went back to football as far as I recall. Some might call that retirement….

  61. pheloniusphish says:

    Buncha fewkin’ dopers on this board…

  62. manitobafinfan says:

    Thank you Tampa .. congrats OD.

  63. Krishna says:

    Just thinking about Stanley Cup winner and OD. Congrats.

    Segue question to OD, historian. Tampa Bay has Super Bowl and now SC in same year, two major sports. Any chance this year of baseball? Basketball’s out so only one left.

    Any other city have multiple major sports title (must include football) in same year?

  64. Krishna says:


  65. Mike E. says:

    Krishna – The NY Mets, NY Jets and NY Knicks all won in 1969. The NY Rangers lost in the quarter finals in the playoffs in hockey

    • Krishna says:

      Wow! That’s impressive. Thanks, Mike E. I was 11, were you born yet?

      • Mike E. says:

        Of course, believe it or not I knew every Met players name and their uniform number. I loved baseball at a very young age. I was 6 in ’69. My dad loved basketball too but baseball was always my thing.

      • Krishna says:

        Awesome. Mike E!

        You’re an old fuck! LOL!

        One and done for Jets, let’s hope!

  66. sb7mvp says:

    New Age says:
    July 7, 2021 at 11:01 pm
    2500 other players were able to follow basic directions and rules. He’s no better than they are. He’s on only going to be in your HoF
    My HOF is the only one that matters, but it’s nice to see you move the goalposts of the discussion once you couldn’t support your original argument. The HOF will be full of Patriots with ties to cheating and there’s an entire Steelers dynasty that was rampant steroid use. But sure, demonize Ricky for using a medicinal plant because you’ve been programmed to see it as bad.

    • New Age says:

      Not programmed. You seem to be programmed to believe whatever you want to which is definitely not the role of a skeptic. I don’t think you understand my argument but I can break it down into easier chunks for you? There was no moving of goalposts but maybe I can explain that saying to you better?

      I’m not demonizing Ricky beyond the factual statement that he couldn’t follow the rules. I think it’s funny he’s still talking about what-ifs when the reality is that he’s not getting in. If it didn’t bother him, he wouldn’t bring it up a decade later. Any other confusion?

  67. Mike E. says:

    LMAO Krishna – The bourbon and weed puke was me. This was some powerful stuff. Just some background here. When I was say 16-21, I smoked at least a few times a week, some weeks every day. That weed was nothing like the weed you get today. I stopped for 35 years and when my mother in law passed away a few weeks ago, my brother in law in from Las Vegas asked if we were interested in smoking week. We got weed delivered (what a world!) and the first night we smoked I felt fine although it was somewhat hallucinogenic. We smoked again a couple of weeks later and it made me dizzy and nauseous and I threw up. I think I need either a milder strain or just to stick to bourbon.

  68. sb7mvp says:

    So none of you disparaging Ricky have left jobs that were bad working environments to put yourselves in a better place personally?

  69. Krishna says:

    2 more years without being banned for a medicine that helped him cope would have added another 2000 yards and TDs to those stats when he was in is prime.

    He made choices and lived with consequences…..it’s called living your life.

  70. steveccnv says:

    Something MSM won’t report on

    • CavalierKong says:

      I’ve read a couple of stories about this on MSN which I assume fits into the ‘MSM’ category. They are basically a form of sovereign citizen militia. The only real difference is while sovereign citizens are usually predominately white, this group is black. That’s probably the biggest reason it hit the news at all.

      We’ve had numerous sovereign citizen issues in the Sacramento area that are never covered by anything except local news, guys booby trapping their land when it becomes tax forfeit, etc. I used to deal with guys like this on occasion. They’re coocoo

      • steveccnv says:

        I’ve seen several videos with those claiming sovereign citizen, mostly whackjobs

  71. steveccnv says:

    Ricky chose to stop playing for many reasons, which I respected, because of that he didn’t have an HOF career, now he’s saying he did.

    How did we go from someone debating Ricky’s claim to MJ is a gateway drug to NFL rules are outdated to the rest of the MJ talk?

  72. steveccnv says:

    If someone like Waddle has huge stats this year it could mean the rest of the WRs aren’t performing up to par.

    Sure I’d like to see him have a big year, but not because others aren’t.

    If things go as planned I expect the numbers to be spread out amongst all the receivers


    For the rest of the rookies it would benefit us for them to have big years

  73. Phindog says:

    What’s up peoples ? I’m officially an Arizonan. I haven’t had internet since the June 30th. We got out here on the 2nd because the moving company tried to screw us so I rented a truck and my son drove back to Cali and we moved ourselves. We are still unpacking and organizing but our new house is really nice. The people and pace out here is way laid back compared to the what I’m used to and the fact I have no mortgage and HOA is a big plus. On a side note, I don’t get high but I do indulge in whiskey every other hour or so 😎🥃🥃🐕

    • sb7mvp says:

      Congrats! But what’s a dog doing in a giant litterbox?

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s great, come on over, when you get a chance

    • stangerx says:

      Welcome to your new home Dog!
      My best advice is put the sheets on the bed and set up the living room.
      Everything else can wait.

      • Phindog says:

        Been sleeping on an air mattress, my new bedroom set got delivered yesterday. Got the living room set up already but my old furniture doesn’t seem to work here so the wife wants new setup. Can’t blame her, brand new house brand new furniture, brand new way of life.👍

      • stangerx says:

        LOL — you already are waiving the white flag on the new stuff, but best you could have done was a delaying tactic anyhow. And best delay you can do is “let’s get it set up and live in it a while and see what we need.”

  74. steveccnv says:

    The left around the world is out of control

  75. steveccnv says:

    Chicago mayor another great product of the left

  76. sb7mvp says:

    This is just my friendly reminder that FOX is the Main Stream Media. It has as much of an audience as it’s next two competitors combined.

    • steveccnv says:

      Do I really need to write “MSM”

      • steveccnv says:

        And by the way Fox is as liberal as the rest, it’s a few on Fox News that lean right.

        Maybe you didn’t watch Fox News on election night, when they called AZ way too early and GA projecting to for Biden even though Trumo had a huge lead.

        Did they know something at that time, that was going to happen overnight?

      • sb7mvp says:

        You posted something the “MSM won’t report on” then proceeded to post the largest MSM news site reporting on it.
        LOL. Why would I waste my time watching FOX or any other news channel on election night? Who’s sad enough to do that?

      • steveccnv says:

        To those of us on the right we don’t consider Fox “MSM”, that’s why I said, do I need to include the quotes

        Yeah, why would you be stupid enough to watch the election results, when you already knew the outcome

      • stangerx says:

        “And by the way Fox is as liberal as the rest” but yet “To those of us on the right we don’t consider Fox “MSM””? So what makes Fox not MSM? It’s bigger than any of the other cable news places.

  77. steveccnv says:

    Mainstream – the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional;

    Does that sound like “Fox”?

    Regarded as normal, based on what most of the media wants us to believe

    • stangerx says:

      “And by the way Fox is as liberal as the rest” — that’s the part don’t get. Is it liberal yet not quite enough to make it mainstream?

      • steveccnv says:

        What do you not get about Fox is run by liberals, yet a few on Fox News are still allowed to lean right?

      • stangerx says:

        What I don’t get is why since Fox is run by liberals and is huge that it is not MSM.

      • steveccnv says:

        It is technically MSM, but it isn’t dubbed MSM, just like some people think Dolphins are fish😉

  78. sb7mvp says:

    steveccnv says:
    July 8, 2021 at 12:17 pm
    To those of us on the right we don’t consider Fox “MSM”, that’s why I said, do I need to include the quotes

    Yeah, why would you be stupid enough to watch the election results, when you already knew the outcome
    It doesn’t matter what you consider it. FOX is mainstream media. It’s the largest of it’s kind in America. This isn’t a debatable topic. You’re also the first person I’ve ever heard call FOX liberal.

    • stangerx says:

      Not talking steve, but from what have seen depends on what is going down. When the MSM is brought up as not telling the truth, Fox is not included cause normally puts out whatever the person is complaining about.

      But then the far right (including Trump at times) loves to bash Fox for being too liberal politically cause they try to keep a somewhat even-keeled news operation (not talking Hannity, Tucker, etc.). Complaints would include not embracing that Trump won the election.

      So it is a complicated relationship btwn Fox and the far right.

      • sb7mvp says:

        Right, but that’s based on feelings not facts, and we both know that those hard core conservatives love to quote a phrase about that.

    • steveccnv says:

      Fox is owned by the Murdoch family, the kids are very liberal, they were seen celebrating on election night

  79. Ken says:

    I remember the days we used to debate if Chad Henne or Ryan Tannehill were good QBs. Now we debate if Fox is liberal

  80. son of a son of a shula says:

    Glad you got situated Dog good to see you back. Hope all goes well for you in Az.

    • Phindog says:

      So far so good brother. We really like it out here, small town but has everything you can possibly need and plenty of off-road trails to explore and go shooting. I can crank my amp to 11 and not piss off my neighbors and I can openly carry a firearm on my hip. I can see the stars like I haven’t seen since I was in the Navy out in the middle of nowhere coming back and forth from the persian gulf. 😎👍

  81. steveccnv says:

    MSM is considered liberal, just as Fox is considered conservative even though both aren’t 100% liberal or conservative

    For me to say MSM is so…is the same as you guys saying Fox is so…neither is accurate, but…

    • sb7mvp says:

      No, what you’re saying isn’t accurate at all. MSM doesn’t have anything to do with political leaning. It has to do with audience size, which FOX has the largest.

    • steveccnv says:

      It’s FN sad that someone has to make a videos like these, because they’d be silenced by the fascist left, if they said it straight up

  82. steveccnv says:

    It’s FN sad that someone has to make a videos like these, because they’d be silenced by the fascist left, if they said it straight up

  83. bailbondmike says:

    “Joe Biden says we don’t exist, so we can keep existing. Quick slight of hand by our little dictator. There is a reason why when you type in antifa.com it redirects you to Joe Biden’s site. He stands for everything we do. Except he doesn’t dress like a ninja and he slurs his words more.”


    Sure as shit. When I typed in antifa.com on my browser, it went straight to Joe Biden’s site. WTF?

    • steveccnv says:

      Thought you were just kidding, but the sheeple on the left still don’t get it

      • twicethethe says:

        I’m sure you are more than aware and just playing around a little, but anyone could have been granted the domain rights to ‘antifa.com’ (either as a new domain that wasn’t taken yet or bought out the rights of whoever owned it) early on, and then have a redirect script to redirect any requests to the domain to any other domain (like the Biden site). Not hard to do at all. Lots of fun (or not), depending on one’s POV.

      • stangerx says:

        You think “the sheeple on the left” think antifa voted Trump? Was only one other choice.

      • steveccnv says:

        Of course Twice, sad part is it’s not far fetched

      • steveccnv says:

        The WTF part is how it could still be running with that redirect

      • stangerx says:

        Can you legally stop a redirect? We had plenty of links to other places on our website without a problem. Is there a law to stop that?

      • twicethethe says:

        Steve – I see what you and BBMike were getting at now (why is it still doing it to this day). Might be a technological battle, as I think there is likely ways to detect a redirect’s origins and cancel the redirect from the receiver, but there may be ways from the redirector that may circumvent those. Stanger – as far as illegality – nothing that I know of if you are the owner of the domain and approving the particular redirect from your own domain. Not sure though.

      • steveccnv says:

        Right, they can shut Trump down, but not this redirect

    • steveccnv says:

      Good ole sippy cup

  84. stangerx says:

    steveccnv says:
    July 8, 2021 at 1:31 pm

    It is technically MSM, but it isn’t dubbed MSM, just like some people think Dolphins are fish
    So there is a lack of education involved? I’m going more with the convenience factor.

  85. Phindog says:

    And I kilt my 1st scorpion the night before last night. 🐕 They are rare in this town but of course one rand past my foot and towards my wife while we were chilling in our backyard so I smashed it.😳

  86. CavalierKong says:


    I tried the ESPN site to see who was ranked #1 and #2, but it’s a pay to play. I assume it’s Alexander, Ramsey, or Gilmore, maybe Humphrey. but two of those guys are ranked under Howard.

    I’d be real curious to see NFL execs rankings of these guys (as opposed to PFF). No matter how you slice it though, X is in the top echelon as those guys are probably 1a, 1b, 1c, etc.


    Any of yous guys have a paid ESPN subscription?

    • stangerx says:

      Big difference btwn who will be the 3rd best CB this season (what they are talking about) and who you would give the 3rd biggest contract to if he was a FA, which X ain’t.

      He’s a 28 year-old CB with an injury history.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He’s also the best ballhawk in the game.

      • CavalierKong says:

        All I want to know is who NFL decision makers think are the top CBs in the game. you can make what you will of the rest.

      • stangerx says:

        “ESPN named its top five corners, in order, as Jalen Ramsey (Rams), Marlon Humphrey (Ravens), Xavien Howard (Dolphins), Stephon Gilmore (Patriots) and Tre’Davious White (Bills).”

      • CavalierKong says:

        Cheers 😁

  87. stangerx says:

    Japan announced that there will be no spectators for Olympic events in the Tokyo area. Still uncertain about the rest of the country , but not looking good. Covid is a biotch.

  88. Mike E. says:

    Doggy!!!!!! Congratulations on the new digs!! Wishing you and the doggy family many happy years in AZ!

  89. The Flying Pig says:


    Is this a photo of your new house?

  90. bailbondmike says:


    In Sieler’s final 8 games of 2020, he was among the most productive defensive linemen in the NFL against the run. His 9 TFL’s were tied for second in the NFL with Aaron Donald and JJ Watt-and he did it on fewer snaps than either of them.

    Sieler’s ability against the run is where he really shined, but he was also Miami’s best interior pass rusher. He led the team in sacks (3.5), sack rate (1.2%), pressures (22), and pressure rate (7.6%) from the interior.

  91. Krishna says:

    mf13ss says:
    July 7, 2021 at 7:28 pm
    New Age says:
    July 7, 2021 at 9:04 am
    Really dead time of year so football related. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/06/had-nfl-been-more-accepting-of-marijuana-ricky-williams-believes-he-would-be-in-canton/

    Ricky, get over it. You don’t deserve Canton, you made your choice. Maybe he should stick to trying to promote his product…or does no one want to talk about that? It must be frustrating…

    To both of you again and to my point: There is no “get over it” to get over by RW. HE’S BEEN OVER IT FOR YEARS AND WAS NOT GROUSING OR COMPLAINING OR WHINING OR WISHING FOR A DIFFERENT RESULT.

    He accepted and chose his path. He did what he felt was best for him at the time. He retired and did something else.

    The article and comments were extracted from an SI interview on-site piece they routinely do, like “where are they now?”

    Geez, loueez…..

    Maybe you should read the article instead of the headline.

    • mf13ss says:

      I’m a Ricky defender, and I still keep in contact with him (we email back and forth). Not sure why you put my name in this, Krishna.

      • mf13ss says:

        You cut my response to New Age off, trying to make it look as though I was dissing Ricky. This is something I’ve noticed in the MSM, trying to lend credence to a BS story. SMH

        Steve, right here is a great example, Brother!

      • Krishna says:

        I cut your response because it was bullshit and offered nothing to the conversation or to my point.

        Not sure what you think you’re accusing I’ve done. I don’t hide….

  92. Tim Knight says:

    Thinking about our defense because that’s what I do. 🙂

    We added a key defender in all three phases in trading for McKinney, drafting Phillips and Holland in the 1st and 2nd round respectively. We added some other guys too, but I think these three change the makeup of our defense. Phillips on the edge, McKinney inside but will also move around, and Holland as a versatile DB with ballhawk skills. This defense has top 10 potential if these guys play up to expectations. 🙂

  93. Krishna says:

    Oh, RW is launching his Highsmith brand. It will start with pre-game sativa and post-game indica. Halftime indulgence will be a blend.

    Packaging will be burnt orange for UT, black and gold for Saints, and teal for Dolphins…..


  94. mf13ss says:

    CPL (Creepy Porn Lawyer, Michael Avendatti) was sentenced to prison time, for trying to extort $25M from Nike. Most on the left wanted him to run for president against Trump.

    Kind of spooky who the left looks up to!

  95. son of a son of a shula says:

    That “dog house” above actually looks pretty functional. Based on the guy across the street it doesn’t look as though it needs to be a stilt house so it probably looks especially out of place because a dog shaped house will always look out of place. Put that puppy near water and that’s a nice design with the face jutting out over the water or at least towards it.
    They should make the actual dog house a Tudor or Victorian something like that lol

  96. mf13ss says:

    Krishna says:
    July 8, 2021 at 8:50 pm
    I cut your response because it was bullshit and offered nothing to the conversation or to my point.

    Not sure what you think you’re accusing I’ve done. I don’t hide….
    Is that so?

    Well if it was BS, please re-post it below… make me into your clown.

  97. mf13ss says:

    Krishna says:
    July 8, 2021 at 8:51 pm
    I did explain. Go back and read.
    Yeah, you explained (look at the timestamps)… only AFTER I asked you to explain.

    Krishna, I’m not sure you’re worth my time, guy.

    • Krishna says:

      I don’t think I’m worth yout time, for sure. I can’t be saved. Let’s leave at that.

      • mf13ss says:

        I AGREED with you on Ricky! I made that CLEAR to you, and EVERYBODY! WTF is the problem today, pal?

      • mf13ss says:

        Sorry, Krishna. You just frustrated me. Seems I can’t win with you, even when I absolutely agree with you.

        That’s a very frustrating feeling, ya know?

  98. son of a son of a shula says:

    Krishna, you were asking about Ricky’s retirement earlier. He left football right before camp was about to open in like ‘04 I think despite facing a lengthy suspension. So when he decided to return he had to serve the suspension then when he finally got back he got injured playing Steelers in Camoron’s illustrious stint. By the time he got back he was sharing snaps with Ronnie in Parcels regime, with may he Rest In Peace Tony Sporano , and finally retired for good in like 12 or 13. He left in his prime the first time.

    • Krishna says:

      Thanks son. I appreciate you. It was a while ago and didn’t feel like looking up all the specifics. That’s why 5 suspensions not 4. He basically said, fuck it.

      He couldn’t live by their rules. I get it!

  99. son of a son of a shula says:

    For the record I love Ricky, loved watching him play. He had the ability to possibly be the best ever if things maybe went differently.

  100. son of a son of a shula says:

    Seiler is a beast, didn’t realize he had such gaudy stats, he was always in at crunch time I remember that. I’ll bet you if you polled the team he’d be the guy no one would want to fight. Maybe besides Davis because he’s a freaking giant. He’s a mountain man who still lives in a trailer.

  101. mf13ss says:

    I love Ricky and posted live-links here to his appearances on “The Apprentice” and more… seemed as though most were not interested.

    When looking at their stats, #39 and #34 are very close in career numbers.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Except for 3 straight Super Bowls and a Sea of Hands away from likely a fourth. I’m still broken hearted. But that’s the big difference to 39.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        And yes I’m aware the Raiders game wasn’t an AFC Championship game. Still.

    • mf13ss says:

      And in short, ANYBODY who attempts to call me an anti-Ricky individual, I’ll get defensive!

      Stanger, I need to practice your lesson to me better, sir. I know who I am, but I just got challenged and in an insulting manner. I know I can do better.

  102. wyoming85 says:

    Nope you aren’t the only one Phish!

    I have to be able to pass a random drug test to work!

  103. Krishna says:

    mf13ss….you did say you supported RW and in your respone to Newage you white-washed your support of him.

    Balls to walls, newage was throwing shit around and you smeared in it instead of standing up for RW who is your pen pal.

    It was a weak endorsement and you did not defend him.

    I am not that kind of person. Can you umderstand me now?

  104. wyoming85 says:

    Ricky is a quitter!

  105. wyoming85 says:

    Ok I’ll give you that one Krishna!

  106. wyoming85 says:

    You can aspire to greatness!

  107. Krishna says:

    Fair enough.

  108. wyoming85 says:

    • Tim Knight says:

      How do you cover Fuller, Waddle, Parker, Gesicki and Wilson when we go empty backfield? Most teams don’t have enough coverage for that. 🙂

      Our offense has increased their speed to ludicrous level. LOL

      • Krishna says:

        Exactly, and Tua needs to see all of them and the coverage to find the 2 or 3 that will/should be open…..lol.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yep! We’re building around him in all phases. That’s what you do with a young QB.

        If you believe what Tua’s personal trainer said guesstimating, based on last year until now, Tua was probably 65% last year physically compared to right now. That’s a big difference.

        This will not be the same team as last year. We should be much better. Lots of pieces in place.

      • Krishna says:

        I know some here think it’s all plug and play….discounting major injury, rehab, NFL, out for a year, yada, yada, let alone missing the QB seminar on throwing mechanics. Tough to pick up the ball and run with it under those circumstances….no other rookie QB did that last year.

        He may fail, but his odds of success have greatly improved.

      • Krishna says:

        That OL needs to take it up a step or two.

  109. CavalierKong says:

    I remember and am still pissed about that Ricky injury against the Steelers. One of the Steeler pricks stomped on his chest when he was down. I want to say it was a torn pectoral.

    • CavalierKong says:

      Just looked it up, he stomped on his shoulder.

    • CavalierKong says:

      What I didn’t remember is that it was Lawrence Timmons who did it, and he would later become one of the Dolphins.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        Yeah and the molly he got from Pouncey freaked his ass out and he went AWOL right before the season was starting.

  110. Phindog says:

    Steveccnv. We might hit the Phins vs raiders in Vegas. You up for a West Fest ?

  111. ocalarob says:

    July certainly is a long year.

  112. New Age says:


    I think he’s underestimating us but an ok doldrums article. I don’t understand the Wentz love, and he’s terrible at prognostications but still something to read. Training camp is less than 3 weeks so we are getting there.

    • Mike E. says:

      I think that guy sucks. Patriots over Dolphins? Uh-uh. There are others that I didn’t like but c’mon

  113. bailbondmike says:

    How do you cover Fuller, Waddle, Parker, Gesicki and Wilson when we go empty backfield? Most teams don’t have enough coverage for that. 🙂

    Our offense has increased their speed to ludicrous level. LOL
    That was going to be my response. Trips to one side with Fuller, Waddle and Wilson. Parker on the other side then you have Gesicki. Safeties are going to piss themselves.

  114. Mike E. says:

    Rob – I can say the same thing with Gaskin. Maybe you got it backwards

  115. bailbondmike says:

    I don’t want t bring up the discussion of X being a bitch about his contract and whether he is worth it or not. Just going to bring up a trade possibility if it gets to that point.

    M13 had a good trade scenario. I was thinking, with his injury history and fact he is not considered the #1 CB in the NFL by many, he won’t garner a 1st round pick unless by itself.

    I read an article that brought this trade scenario up. What if we traded X to Detroit for their second round pick which could be around #34 to #39 and DE Trey Flowers? Flowers is solid in run D and pass rush which got him his huge contract in Detroit. He played in our system his entire career and knows it inside and out from playing under Flores/Patricia in NE his 1st three seasons and then Patricia in Detroit the last 2 seasons. He did get injured last season but is fine and had nothing to do with his knees or legs. Before last season, he averaged 7 sacks a season, 30 sacks and 9 FF in 67 games played.

    Some of his 2021 base salary is guaranteed, so if I am not mistaken, Detroit would be on the hook for some of his 14 mil this season. After that, he comes at a hit of 16 mil per in 2022 and 2023 but could be restructured.

    Ogbah will be a F/A next year and will demand much more money. Let him ball out this year for that last big contract and get us a nice comp pick.

    Just a thought.

    • bailbondmike says:

      More I think about it, I really like Ogbah though. Wonder how much his camp is asking for? In just one season in this defense he had more production than Flowers ever had in any season in this system. Sheesh, what to do…

    • steveccnv says:

      Detroit wouldn’t be on the hook for his 2021 contract, unless it was worked into the trade.

      In general the team trading for a player is on the hook for current year’s salary, with the guarantee only coming into the equation, if the player is cut.

      Cutting team responsible for guarantees

  116. Mike E. says:

    NEW BLOG UP!!!

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