Season of discontent continues its downward spiral

Disappointment heaped upon disappointment. That’s what the 2021 Miami Dolphins season has become. This author is having a difficult time finding a bright spot to focus on to assist him in getting past this current 1-7 record, and the organizational dysfunction from the the top (Owner Stephen Ross) all the way down from the GM (Chris Grier), Head Coach (Brian Flores), the OCoCo’s (George Godsey & Eric Studesville), the DCo (Josh Boyer), the STCo (Danny Crossman), the rest of the assistant coaches and of course our players. It has been a failure at every avenue, not one good unit to look at and say “Well, at least the ____ is playing well. 29th in points scored and the same 29th in points allowed. 1 year ago, we were SIXTH in points allowed, SIXTH!!!! We were 15th in points scored, midpack.

In addition to the poor play of our football team, we have the team owner calling a QB on a different team on the phone to talk, a QB who is embroiled in a legal mess as he faces 22 civil lawsuits for sexual misconduct.

Mathematically, this team can still salvage a better than .500 season, which seems more ridiculous at this point than our current record of 1-7. If Xavien Howard doesn’t force that fumble, and recover it Game 1 in Foxborough we’re 0-8 folks!!! How have we fallen so far, so fast? Coach Flo looked he had this team on the upswing. Yes, lots of moves were made, but think about the players besides Kyle Van Noy that were traded or cut. Shaq Lawson was not good last season, he had a very subpar season for our Dolphins last year. Benardrick McKinney hasn’t seen the field and he’s healthy in 2021. Ryan Fitzpatrick is on IR for the season. I’d say one guy who may have helped this season may be C Ted Karras but even has only started 4 games this season, played in all 8. What’s basically happened is we have just regressed in every facet of the game. At this juncture, it’s hard to think anyone who is part of this team or organization is safe, all ripe to be fired, traded, or cut, sans the owner who unfortunately can’t be replaced until he decides to sell.

The vaunted secondary, second to none. X has 2 INT’s, and Elandon Roberts who appeared to be the target has one INT, and the rest ZERO. Yes, ZERO! The LB’s we thought were going to wreak havoc on NFL QB’s this season. Andrew Van Ginkel or (AVG at best) has 1/2 a sack. Rookie pass rush terror Jaelan Phillips has 1.5 sacks. Jerome Baker who has been injured most of the season has 1 sack. Emmanuel Ogbah leads the team with 2.5 sacks. Team can still focus and double team Ogbah while tight ends or RB’s can keep Phillips at bay. Shaq Lawson didn’t get it done in 2020 and the combo of AVG and Jaelan Phillips aren’t getting it done in 2021. Christian Wilkins has played OK, and Raekwon Davis was injured and gets a pass. Rookie safety Jevon Holland has been somewhat of a bright spot showing above average athletic ability but I’ve seen him toasted quite a few times. He hasn’t done anything extraordinary yet but he seems to have a good trajectory.

I think we have talent on this team, I really do. I think the coaches have dropped the ball this season, and I believe most of them, if not all of them will pay for that with their jobs. The CoCo’s will be gone. Josh Boyer has a bit of time to fix this defense but more than likely he’s gone too. Whether Head Coach Brian Flores can survive depends on the next 9 games and how the team does in them. He has a chance to come back. If he somehow survives, does GM Chris Grier keep his job? At the moment we have the #12 pick via SF. The Philadelphia Eagles own our 1st RD pick currently at #3. Truth is, while I’d love to have the better pick, we’d find some way to fuck it all up, as it appears we have been doing the last few years. in 2020 we had THREE 1st Round picks. We have an average young QB (Tua Tagovailoa) with our #5 pick. We have a struggling LT (Austin Jackson) who is now playing LG with our #18 pick and we have a defensive back (Noah Igbinoghene) who has only played and been active in 2 games thus far in 2021 after playing sparingly in 2020. Does it matter how low or high picks are for that matter how many when you continue to strike out? Out of the three first rounders, none of them are excelling to the point where they are considered a blue chip player. With our 2 second round picks in 2020 we have 2 starters, RG Robert Hunt and NT Raekwon Davis. Neither has been excellent, Hunt has struggled quite a bit lately at RG while Raekwon Davis showed lots of promise last season and was injured early this season and is slowly regaining his form. 2020 3rd RD pick Brandon Jones is slowly becoming part of the defense and has potential to steal the job from veteran Eric Rowe which could potentially give the Dolphins a nice young safety tandem of Holland and Jones.

The 2021 draft doesn’t seem as bad as the 2020 draft class. Jaylen Waddle is getting lots of targets, but far too many of them are within 10 yards of the LOS. It’s not a Tua, or a Waddle problem folks, it’s an O-line failure. Jaelan Phillips came to the Dolphins as a very athletic, diversified pass rusher. So far, he’s been stifled. He supposedly has a nice pass rush repertoire but it hasn’t been effective as of yet. S Jevon Holland seems to be the darling of this draft so far. OT Liam Eichenberg has played a lot but hasn’t shown he belongs at any particular O-line spot, whether it’s LT, LG, or RT. We’ll see if he develops. Honestly, it’s hard to gauge a player when a unit is playing so poorly, and our O-line has been the worst offender. TE Hunter Long who was hailed as the Gesicki replacement hasn’t quite hit the field running, and has been mostly inactive. You better hope he’s not the guy that replaces Mike Gesicki!!! The other 2 picks, OT Larnel Coleman and RB Gerrid Doaks haven’t seen the field and their fortunes or misfortunes remain to be seen.

All in all, 2 very disappointing drafts, probably much more with the 2020 draft class, considering we had a treasure trove of picks to improve our team and it’s yet to materialize. Chris Grier has to take the hit on that. If somehow he manages to keep his GM post, I’d expect our record at the end of the season will have to be much closer to .500 than it currently is. Same goes for Coach Flo, who built this coaching staff and elected to have Co Offensive Coordinators. That contemporary style most likely won’t be seen again in the NFL. This week we play the even more inept Houston Texans, whose QB our wonderful owner has outwardly courted. Oh, he doesn’t actually play for the Texans, but maybe he will eventually now that we didn’t actually trade for him. He’s been inactive all season so the Texans can, you know, trade him. Well, now, maybe their supposed top 10 QB will hit the field for his team. It won’t happen this week which means our putrid team will probably find it’s only week in which we will be the favorites this season. I’m so excited!!!


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1,330 Responses to Season of discontent continues its downward spiral

  1. Rockphin says:

    This from Palm Beach Post is about right

    Offense F
    Going against perhaps the worst defense in the league, the Dolphins managed only 17 points, 14 of which came via the Texans’ ineptitude (turnovers). Miami averaged 1.9 yards per rush. Two interceptions were thrown. Three fumbles were lost. If not for Mike Gesicki’s one-handed catches, we’d be investigating how to make this grade even lower.

  2. mf13ss says:

    Ken says:
    November 8, 2021 at 2:34 pm
    Tua didn’t play yesterday because of a fracture in his finger on his throwing hand not because of his ribs. He threw deep just fine against the Bills
    Ken, we aren’t disagreeing on your first sentence, man… don’t know why you bring that up.

    No, Tua didn’t throw deep just fine against the Bills two weeks ago. I don’t know if you’re ‘box-score scouting’ or what (YAC don’t attribute to the current strength of Tua), but Tua’s deepest ball that game was a labored (damn near with a running start) 33-yard rainbow (damn near duck) to Gesicki. And his deepest ball to DeVante was another rainbow (damn near duck) for 20 yards.

    Tua still isn’t 100% after breaking his ribs, and he won’t be for another couple/few weeks.

    Now add the broken finger to all of that, and it’s going to be very difficult to evaluate Tua going down the stretch… not to mention his O-Line is a joke… not to mention (you’re spot-on, man) that his receiving corps is oft-injured.

    • Ken says:

      I don’t know what you watched but that pass was right on the Money to Gisecki. Far from a duck. It hit him on the hands in coverage. I don’t get it

    • CavalierKong says:

      If Brissett was throwing the ball down the field, I might agree that maybe Tua’s injury is a factor, but the fact is neither QB is throwing down the field more than once or twice in a game, so since a healthy Brissett isn’t doing it either, I don’t know that we need to look for unusual reasons Tua isn’t.

      The oline and the scheme seem the likely reason. Our oline can’t protect the QB in pass protection, so everything is schemed short.

      It really stymies the whole offense. As a result, teams are playing everything in close, which also affects the running game.

      And you can add to that, the incompetence of our running gameplan…our running game consists of two plays, draw play middle left, and draw play middle right.

      • Ken says:

        Well said

      • The Flying Pig says:

        It’s actually the same exact offense with Brisset or Tua
        And the same flaws in terms of the OL

        It’s not like we’ve had a small sampling of Brisset
        We’ve seen him for 4 games

        The offense is better with Tua

        I actually think they may go downfield more

        It’s just a really bad scheme

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yep, the offense looks the same, and performs the same, with either under center.

        Brissett has started 4 games and played approx 4.75.
        Tua has started 5 games and played approx 4.25.

        We’ve scored 76 points with Tua under center (approx 17.9 per game), and 79 with Brissett under center (approx 16.6) per game. It’s depressingly similar.

  3. steveccnv says:

    If you believe this BS statement, I’ve got some land…

    The casino’s attorney, Johnny L. Griffin III, said the company acknowledged it had made a mistake but moved quickly to amend its filings and was committed “to ensuring that all of its compliance and reporting programs are strictly followed and updated as the laws and regulations require.”

    When I worked at a Tahoe casino in the 90s, they had a similar, but smaller scale episode with a whale, they said, they’d gladly take the 100k fine, if it meant getting his $6m play

    • stangerx says:

      Obviously casinos love players coming with duffle bags filled with cash. I was always aware of the $10k limit. On big nights would know to stop at 9k. Sometimes had a wife, buddy or girlfriend cash in the over if lost track or keep some in chips for the future.

      Thing is doesn’t have to be $10 k in winnings…..doesn’t matter how much you put out. All about how much cash in with.

  4. Rockphin says:

    Howie’s list

    Rockphin 44-13 Balt

  5. The Flying Pig says:

    Howie’s list

    Rockphin 44-13 Balt
    🐷 24-14 🐬

  6. bailbondmike says:

    Piggy, you are right about probably 3 first round QB’s even though none are top 10 talent. They all have some shortcomings.

    – Kenny Pickett, IMO, is the best all round based on his performance this season. His first 3 seasons were mediocre at best. He is on fire this season (29 TD’s, 3 INT’s, 4 TD’s rushing). He has good size, arm strength, quick release, pocket presence and mobile. Might be first off the board.
    – Sam Howell will be a first rounder. He is a serious dual threat and can throw it deep with accuracy for a guy 6’1 215. His INT’s are up this year but he is just trying to hard to make things happen after losing 2 top RB’s and his 2 top WR’s in the last draft.
    – Carson Strong will probably be a first rounder. He has the size and arm but is about as mobile as Tom Brady.
    – Matt Corral is a gamer. I like the way he plays but he is only 6’0 200 pounds. Someone possibly takes a chance on him in first round. He threw a lot of INT’s last year (14) but seems to have corrected that this year.
    – Desmond Ridder is an interesting one. Great size and mobility. Been a solid starter 4 years at Cincy. His accuracy could be a concern.
    – Malik Willis is super athletic and will get a lot of yards running but is a very inconsistent passer. He has thrown 3 INT’s in 3 of his last 5 games against lesser talent. For all his athleticism, he takes a lot of sacks. I’d have to say no thanks.
    – Spencer Rattler has been overhyped, IMO.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’m honestly keeping an eye on corral and strong who can both be really good

      Those are my early favorites so far

      Howell is not having a good season

      But you know who also had a bad senior season: Justin Herbert

      • bailbondmike says:

        I think you can go with any of Pickett, Strong, Coral and Howell and have a good prospect. Forgot to mention my knock on Pickett was he doesn’t have a cannon but can make all the throws.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I try to give most prospects the benefit of the doubt

        The QB position is hard to evaluate

        But when I see a group of QBs and no one jumps out as the premier prospect, my thoughts are you might be able to nab a good one on day 2

        We will probably have an early 2nd round pick with the way things are going

  7. bailbondmike says:

    Kenny Pickett, Pitt, 6’3 220.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Yeah I’ve seen him and he’s tearing it up

      But he’s got a weak arm….lol

      It’s actually his big draw back. He’s a dunk and dunk specialist

      • bailbondmike says:

        Ha, just responded up the page that he doesn’t have a cannon but he can make all the throws. He has good anticipation so he will have to get comfortable in his system and receivers before he would be successful.

  8. mf13ss says:

    Ken says:
    November 8, 2021 at 3:22 pm
    I don’t know what you watched but that pass was right on the Money to Gisecki. Far from a duck. It hit him on the hands in coverage. I don’t get it
    That’s what’s incredibly great about Tua, his accuracy. You seem to think I’m taking a stance AGAINST Tua… I’m not. He’s not 100% and he’s still able to make things happen.

    I’ll tell ya this: if a ball-hawking Safety was back there on the throw we’re discussing to Gesicki, it would have been intercepted. He’s got no velocity on his throws yet, as we saw at Alabama. He’ll get there, but he needs more time.

    Speaking of (lack of) time, I continue to illustrate how miserable our O-Line has become. Doesn’t matter who the QB may be, this O-Line will fail the QB. Our receivers are banged up (nodding to you), the play-calling is terrible, we’ve got no functional running game, and our Defense has all too often failed to support our woeful Offense.

    It’s a systematic failure of colossal proportions. Plenty of blame to go around, and Tua is NOT the problem in my eyes… but he, too, is banged up… and it’s unfair to evaluate him in this current environment. Tua is NOT the reason we’re 2-7… it’s the FO and coaching staff.

    • mf13ss says:

      Another thing… I’m not sure it’s fair to evaluate Chris Grier under these circumstances, either. I waffle on Grier, but I’m not entirely sure the failure is his to own.

      • sb7mvp says:

        Grier is a big reason we are in these circumstances. Getting rid of veterans on the line when the young guys weren’t ready. Drafting guys in the first round that are young, but have potential instead of guys who could have started right away, not to mention guys coming off of injuries.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I know you weren’t speaking to me, but I’m throwing my 2 cents in.

      I don’t think you’re coming off as blaming Tua. I think you’re just trying to come up with answers (like why doesn’t Tua throw deep), and throwing out some ideas that might be outside the box.

      I think when everything is failing, it’s time to start looking at the system. I think most of us agree, the entire team has regressed, every single unit, including special teams. So, I agree and put this on coaching and/ or the GM.

      • mf13ss says:

        THANK YOU! That’s all I’m saying, and most of us agree that the failure lies upon the coaching/FO and or the GM.

        And to be perfectly honest, it ultimately comes down to the OWNER.

    • Ken says:

      I think we will agree to disagree. I have seen plenty of throws from Tua with velocity. There is nothing wrong with his arm and his ribs are not stopping him from throwing deep. It’s scheme, bad OL and injuries to our WRs

  9. mf13ss says:

    sb7mvp says:
    November 8, 2021 at 4:16 pm
    Grier is a big reason we are in these circumstances. Getting rid of veterans on the line when the young guys weren’t ready. Drafting guys in the first round that are young, but have potential instead of guys who could have started right away, not to mention guys coming off of injuries.
    Then, I see a post like this… and I’m right back to thinking Grier IS part of the problem. Like I said, I waffle on Grier.

    Good post, SB7… you aren’t wrong about this.

    • mf13ss says:

      My 4:06 PM post above was about not being able to judge the ingredients the GM selected when the chef (coaching) can’t boil water.

      Yes, Grier has made some really boneheaded decisions on our roster.

  10. stangerx says:

    “Flores also said that wide receiver Will Fuller, who has a broken thumb, will remain on injured reserve this week.”

    We bet on 3 injury prone WRs in Fuller, Parker and Williams. Was thinking some would fold on us. Never thought would be all of them.

    • Ken says:

      Williams problems are not injuries this year he just apparently doesn’t care

      • stangerx says:

        And Parker said in an interview before he went on IR (and before “aggravating” in practice) that “injuries happen.” Not exactly Rudy stuff.

  11. CavalierKong says:

    ▪ Receiver Will Fuller remains out with a finger injury and won’t play Thursday. Flores had no update on quarterback Tua Tagovailoa’s availability.

    ▪ Receiver Preston Williams will play Thursday after not playing against Houston. Flores said Williams was inactive partly because the Dolphins wanted to elevate Kirk Merritt to use him as a receiver and on special teams.

    ▪ Center Greg Mancz will miss Thursday’s game with an ankle injury; Austin Reiter will remain the starting center, with Michael Deiter still sidelined by a foot injury. Mancz played nine snaps Sunday before departing; Reiter played the final 66 offensive snaps. Flores said the staff has discussed giving left tackle Greg Little some playing time.

    ▪ Flores likes how young safeties Jevon Holland and Brandon Jones are playing: “Both those young guys are doing some good things.”

  12. CavalierKong says:

    ▪ Flores said rookie third-rounder Hunter Long – who has played just 34 snaps all season, including 29 on offense – isn’t playing because “it’s a crowded tight end room. We think he’s going to be a solid player in this league, just waiting for his opportunity.”

    ▪ Godsey is impressed how Jaylen Waddle has been able to play multiple receiver positions: “Not just being a slot. We want to play him inside, outside, shifting him across formations. As a rookie, it’s a credit to him.”

    ▪ Godsey declined to say how much of the Dolphins’ playbook cannot be used this season because the offensive line generally cannot be trusted. He said “plays that we designed that involve the quarterback holding the ball a little bit — I’d like to erase those from the call sheet.”

  13. CavalierKong says:

    ▪ With the Dolphins short-handed at receiver, Miami played a bunch of two tight end sets but again made Long inactive. Mike Gesicki logged 59 of Miami’s 75 offensive snaps, Durham Smythe 45, Adam Shaheen 36 and Cethan Carter 4.

    ▪ Emmanuel Ogbah didn’t start for only the second time this season but produced 2.5 sacks. Ogbah played 53 snaps (most among Dolphins defensive linemen), followed by Adam Butler (40), Christian Wilkins (38), Raekwon Davis (31) and Zach Sieler (21).

    ▪ With DeVante Parker and Fuller sidelined, Mack Hollins started and played a season-high 60 offensive snaps. Among other receivers, Waddle played 65 of Miami’s 75 offensive snaps, Albert Wilson played 17, Merritt 11 and Isaiah Ford 4.

  14. stangerx says:

    “Flores said Williams was inactive partly because the Dolphins wanted to elevate Kirk Merritt to use him as a receiver and on special teams.” — time for Preston to call his agent.

  15. The Flying Pig says:

    Examining ways to improve in fucking November probably wouldn’t be necessary if f you properly evaluated this team in the off-season

    But you let flowers and karras go and felt comfortable to start he season with Jackson at LT

    This is a reason to fire Flores

    This detailed the season more than anything else

  16. mf13ss says:

    Dirty AF…

  17. stangerx says:

    “The Dolphins could face the disturbing possibility that all three of the tackles they drafted in the first 42 picks of the past two drafts might end up as guards. And not just guards, but mediocre guards. (All three were initially tried by the Dolphins at tackle.)”

    — Barry Jackson

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I don’t think they are moving Eichenberg to OG

      Hunt was drafted to be an OG wasn’t he?

      This is really just a Jackson story

      • stangerx says:

        Eich was at LG during training camp. But yeah seems they want him at T now, where results have not been great.

        Thought Hunt did fine at RT….. but team made the choice to move him to RG.

        Who knows?

  18. Randy says:

    Eich has struggled a lot at LT. He looked better at RT through PS. He hasn’t looked like a lock as a tackle, at all. Jackson, believe it or not, is probably still the best LT prospect on the team. He’s been terrible at guard. He’s weak and soft. I’d like to know where Kindley went. He looked better than Jackson.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Kindley is still on the roster they are just playing musical OL at this point

      • stangerx says:

        What I can’t figure out is why Kindley is never mentioned in articles. Seems starting guard no longer starting would be a natural info piece.

  19. ocalarob says:

    Elandon Roberts to Tua, “it’s coaching….it’s coaching….they don’t appreciate you”

  20. The Flying Pig says:

  21. D says:

    Kinsley got in someone’s dog house. That seems pretty certain to me. He played a lot better than anyone else they have had there (Eichenberg or Jackson). That’s not saying a lot but the fact they don’t have him out there despite him representing out best option there, says they aren’t working through the issues they are dog housing him. Something is wrong with Flores this year, he seems to have lost the team and this co-offensive coordinator stuff shows he isn’t making decisive decisions with his staff either. If he didn’t like one more than the other and decided to let them share the position instead, then he knew he didn’t have the right person for the job

    • stangerx says:

      Something happened with Kindley. Didn’t have his old starting job at camp. Was thinking maybe with his body frame that he blew up during the off season, but that’s only one of like a dozen things it could be.

  22. CavalierKong says:

    LOL, I don’t know if anyone else will appreciate this, but it cracked me up.

    I’m watching Princess Bride with my wife and granddaughter and this just occurred to me.

    The actor who plays the 6 fingered man is Christopher Guest.

    Christopher Guest also played Nigel Tufnel of Spinal Tap- the one who has the infamous line “These go to eleven.”

    When he is revealed as the 6 fingered man, I turned to my wife and said “His fingers go to eleven.” 😂😂

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s a work in progress. This offense is very new and a lot of these players have a very little body of work playing together. Nothing has gone smoothly so far. It’s up and down all year.

  23. CavalierKong says:

    My wife and I look forward to the NFL bad lip reading videos every year. They’re the best.

  24. Tim Knight says:

    Ride the win and go from there. That’s where I’m at. Lots of games yet to be played and we are what we are right now. Just want to see the team get better. Not expecting anything big, just progress moving forward.

  25. ElephantRider says:

    On a positive note.

    How about Holland. I love his energy and he seems to be around the ball constantly making plays. I’m excited to watch him get better and better. He and Jones could be the making of one heck of a tandem. That with our highly priced CBs, could be one great secondary. Yeah I know he fumbled the punt…I don’t think he should be returning kicks in the first place.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Holland really does look the part. Brandon Jones too. Rowe is a solid vet but those two young guys look to be the future.

      Like what I’m seeing from Phillips too. It’s only a matter of time before he breaks out. You can see he’s trying to learn the fundamentals of playing OLB/DE simultaneously. You can see him doing his job setting the edge and dropping in coverage. Then on the pass rush he’s trying to figure it out. I’ve been impressed with his hustle and speed for a big guy; 6-5 260+. He reminds me of Jason Taylor finding his way early on. But he’s a bigger dude at this stage; JT was 235-240.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      I got Holland’s jersey. It came in time for the fest game.
      It was Jones who almost sacked Taylor when Holland got his pick. They’re a good pair of safeties.
      Tim I’d like to start seeing 15 make a little more noise but he is coming along.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Agreed. Phillips reminds me of a Charles Haley, Jason Taylor, DeMarcus Ware type of guy who is just getting started.

        Too young too fast is the problem. The top teams are not made up of all young players. They have a good mix. Maybe Grier and/or Flores got a little too cocky.

        Been saying it for months. This roster has no body of work together. We’re seeing it now. 😦

      • ElephantRider says:

        Yeah there are some bright spots out there.

        I just can’t understand why they either are the worst evaluators of OL or continue to hire the worst coaches.

  26. son of a son of a shula says:

    Jakeem fixing to get traded again

  27. Tim Knight says:

    ER, I hear ya! But is it coaching on the OL or is it that these guys can’t play on a high level? It’s definitely something. LOL

  28. ocalarob says:

    i certainly hope tua plays thurs, give him a chance, nothing to lose

  29. ukfinfan says:

    I know y’all have different views on a win vs a team even more ineffective than ourselves, but I loved it. In a season where Ws are going to be in short supply you take them where you can (and glad Brian got to see it too). I don’t care that it exposed our flaws even more, I don’t care that we’re going to get bull-fucked by the Ravens on Thursday night (I won’t be waking up in the wee small hours to watch what I could see at an abattoir after a good night’s sleep) I just enjoyed the win.

    We all know our shortcomings this season – a one-dimensional offence which doesn’t even work in that dimension and a defence that should have been a strength this year but has regressed on an epic scale.

    Couple of observations.

    Anyone wondering why we don’t run too often check this out

    When you see Najee stiff arming the shit out of defenders it’s not difficult to imagine what might have made this season a bit more palatable and put another piece in place.

    Speaking of which I hope we are scouting this kid

    No matter who you put in at QB, this is not a recipe for success.

    Given that you have an OL that is shite beyond anyone’s wildest expectations, can’t hold blocks, allow blitzers to run free and you have running backs who can’t see gaping holes or take advantage of them when they do appear, it is no wonder to me we go with the QB with the quickest release (good thread here).

    Let’s face it, everyone is auditioning for next year now. There’s no point putting brisket in – we all know what we have with him now. Let every player be judged on merit. It’s difficult to do that with so much systemic failure within the organisation, but that’s what Ross and everyone down from there will have to do. That’s why Flores going all in on the youth movement and going backwards from last year is such a head scratcher to me, but it is what it is now. I’m just watching for the players who deserve to stay beyond January (there are plenty that don’t). Put that on film so the current or new HC can see it.

    To close on a slightly positive note, at least we don’t have this in charge!

  30. Ken says:

    UK wins the blog

  31. The Flying Pig says:


    Good post about gaskin

    I actually like gaskin a lot going back to his Washington days but I would have told you then he’s not an explosive back. He’s just a really well rounded back, but he shouldn’t be your starter

    I don’t know what this team is thinking devaluing the position so much

    They passed up some very good RBs to take players that would be inactive

    • ukfinfan says:

      I like Gaskin, Pisgter – I really do – but to me he’s a 3rd down back. I’m sick of us being in 3rd and long. Gimme some 3rd and short or converting on 2nd down. Get me a pre-surgery Henry. Too much to ask? (Yep – I know everyone else wants one too)

      • Ken says:

        UK continues to win this morning. That is what I have been saying for a while. Gaskin is a great 3rd down back but we need an upgrade at starting RB

      • The Flying Pig says:

        He runs into the line a lot

        I think the tweet has it wrong
        He actually has decent vision

        He just doesn’t accelerate fast enough to go where his eyes are taking him

        He’s got physical limitations

        And that’s usually what you get when you draft a guy in the 7th round

        I don’t blame gaskin, I blame the FO

        I want Gaskin on this team as part of my rotation

        But imagine if we had Harris
        And he was spelled by gaskin

        Javonta Williams is another Rookie having a god year
        He has close to 500 yards spelling Melvin Ingram and just ran for 100 vs the cowboys

        A really have a problem with the coaching on this team

        But in this one, this is on Chris Grier who juat doesn’t value the position

        It’s even more egregious on 2019 when we drafted Noah I instead of a RB

  32. Krishna says:

    For you Orob about “my” wisdom:
    “Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.”

  33. Krishna says:

    On to zip lines along Arenal Volcano…..pura vida and out!

    You know, fuddy-duddy stuff….lmao!

  34. Mike E. says:

    UK – It’s funny how Big Ben is now among the quickest releases. His success in the NFL was directly tied to how long he used to hold onto the football, allowing receivers to get open. That’s how Antonio Brown, Le’Veon Bell and Juju Smith-Schuster had career years a few years ago. Now Ben is in survival mode, he sees any pressure, the ball is gone. The difference with Brady is he sees the field better than anyone and makes anticipatory throws as good as anyone else too. You have to have confidence, and you also must have receivers on the same page as you so they can also know where to expect the football. Tom Brady demands that from his receivers, we insists on it and his work ethic and tireless dedication to working with his receiver group shows all the time. WE probably haven’t had the same 4 or 5 WR’s on the field in any one game this season, it’s been a revolving door. The O-line has also been a revolving door, injuries and coaching moves have different guys in all the time. That just makes everything else all the more difficult, then add in all of our own dysfunction and you get what we’ve seen this season.

    • ukfinfan says:

      Yeah Mike E – Big Ben was fun to watch in the early days – he wasn’t elusive like a Wilson, Mahomes, Brees or Rodgers – defenders used to bounce off him a la Cam. Now he’s like late-vintage Marino – a bionic QB with not much tread left on those tyres. I do see some of the traits of a Brady type in Tua. Of course he has years of learning Ds and at least another 12 months (ideally) to find out if he can take the top off a D but his work ethic, accuracy and ability to lead a receiver are admirable. All he needs is a receiving corps, a line and a back to complement our attack. At least part of the picture is there – Gesicki and Waddle.

      • Mike E. says:

        I agree UK. I think Tua can be a Tom Brady like passer in the NFL. Hit mostly short and intermediate passes and every now and again throw a deep one if they give it to you and the O-line can hold that long.

    • ukfinfan says:

      Speaking of Big Ben, here’s one he held onto and got flattened. Then I can only assume he used a Jedi mind-trick to get a taunting penalty out of that play. What happened to the NFL?

  35. The Flying Pig says:

    In case you didn’t get enough of it

    • The Flying Pig says:

      This year everyone should be especially thankful to Mike Gesicki for giving us a highlight

      • ukfinfan says:

        He’s the ’21 spirit of ’07 Camarillo. Coincidentally, we beat the Ravens in that game. That lightning bolt isn’t going to strike twice. 🤢

  36. The Flying Pig says:

    Lot of people are big on Isiah Spiller and Breece Hall but so far this is my favorite RB that may be available in the 2022 draft – Kenneth Walker 3

    I like the bouncy change of direction style of running

    And he might need it with this OL

    • sb7mvp says:

      I think BBM’s mentioned him a few times. Those moves make me cringe though, just waiting for a Theisman like break when he’s trying to juke someone.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        It’s a little different when you are a RB inc control of your movement than theisman looking downfield while LT crushes him

  37. CavalierKong says:

    LOL @ elite blindness

    • steveccnv says:

      Time to cut the cord on Parker, Wilson, Preston and the rest of these oft injured putzes

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Part ways with all of these injury riddled guys this off-season and bring in Allen Robinson to go along with Waddle and Gesicki and a rookie RB like Kenneth Walker

      And youll have more weapons than you know what to do with

  38. bailbondmike says:

    Piggy, I would be happy with any one of those 3 RB’s, Spiller, Hall, and Walker. Many are high on Spiller and Hall due to their combo of size and speed. Both 6’1, Spiller 215 and Hall 220. Spiller has run a 40 in about 4.45 and Hall, I heard, ran a 4.39. Both those times were entering college and probably a little smaller then. Walker does appear to have at the least sub 4.5 speed.

  39. steveccnv says:

    These long posts about evaluating players on the team or prospects is useless IMO

    What difference does it make at this point, when the current coaching staff can’t use them properly?

    it’s like reverse Wizard of Oz and someone took out their brains

    Maybe they’re being paid off to throw the games, it would make more sense, than anything else at this point, except maybe they’ve played so over their heads the last year and a half, that it’s catching up to them

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Go with the hypothetical of firing these coaches

      And then you can consider all the ways we can improve with personnel

  40. steveccnv says:

    Talking Fins at this point is like pissing against the wind

  41. The Flying Pig says:

    We are probably in good position to draft an OT

    But I’m not Sure adding youth to this OL is wise

  42. stangerx says:

    Was thinking about Adam Gase last night and made me think Flores has a chance to stick for next season.

    Gase got fired after three years and a 7-9 season, but Ross actually wanted to keep him. Gase was only shown the door only after he copped an attitude with the owner (Who Does That?).

  43. sb7mvp says:

    Steve’s right you guys. We shouldn’t be talking about the Dolphins on a Dolphins football blog. Anyone know any good recipes we could swap? I’ve got a mean one for Lutefisk…

  44. bailbondmike says:

    Piggy, Spiller and Hall don’t have the moves of Walker. Not even close. IMO, Hall’s speed doesn’t show up on tape. I would rank those 3 at Walker, Spiller and Hall. The more I think about it, if Walker and Spiller are gone by our 2nd round pick, I am waiting until later to pick one.

  45. bailbondmike says:

    Another example of running the ball no matter what:

    Najee Harris is averaging 3.6 yards a carry on the season.

    Steelers first 4 games record 1-3. Harris averaged less than 14 carries a game.

    Steelers last 4 games record 4-0. Harris averaged almost 24 carries a game.

    Last 3 games (all wins) Harris only averaged 3.25 a carry but they keep feeding the rock.

    This is also how the Pats are 1/2 game out of first. Running the ball. One thing these 2 teams have in common, neither run RPO. They use play action but a run play is a run play and their OL are able to fire off the line.

  46. stangerx says:

    “Once you see the offense can’t figuring it out, you keep running it. You just keep running it until they figure it out. That’s our mindset. Get pressure on the quarterbacks. It’s already hard enough if you don’t get pressure, they just pick us apart, so getting pressure, blitzing, and obviously, keep focus on turnovers.”

    — Eric Rowe on recent D scheming

  47. D says:

    No amount of wins and turn around can undo this catastrophe of a season. I would love to see them get things going again I just don’t think that I could, and definitely if I was Tua I could, ever trust this administration and coaching staff again.

    The other idiots we had have not fucked shit up on this level, their handling of sensitive situations is stupid unacceptable. The crab walking they’ve done since being called out for doing such a shitty job is unacceptable. The playing at all that they’ve attempted very horribly to do was unacceptable.

    I said early on if they made a play for Watson I was over it and over this team until they flushed and restarted, and I don’t feel any differently and how horridly the handled it I at drives it home for me.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Just do what I do and pretend Stephen Ross fell off a cliff and right before he did he sold the team to some one competent

  48. stangerx says:

    Why the heck is Q obsessed with JFK Jr coming back? And he was a Democrat. If he popped up like Jesus wouldn’t his first words be — “why the heck did you call me back to where my Dad was killed?”

    “A group of QAnon supporters who gathered in Dallas, Texas, last week in the hopes of watching John F. Kennedy Jr.- who died in 1999 – reappear are refusing to leave the city and considering setting up a permanent base there….

    “This is partly because Michael Brian Protzman, a prominent QAnon supporter who helped organize the gatherings, said on Telegram that Dallas was the group’s ‘promised land'”

    • Ken says:

      I think he is just fucking with a lot of people and sitting there laughing his ass off at some of these idiots

      • stangerx says:

        All of a sudden these uber-right wing folks think Dem icon JFK and JFK Jr are the 2nd wave after Trump. Guess these people just believe what they are told….. but then they are expecting dead people to come back from the grave. Scary and cult come to mind.

  49. The Flying Pig says:

    bailbondmike says:
    November 9, 2021 at 11:03 am (Edit)
    Piggy, Spiller and Hall don’t have the moves of Walker. Not even close. IMO, Hall’s speed doesn’t show up on tape. I would rank those 3 at Walker, Spiller and Hall. The more I think about it, if Walker and Spiller are gone by our 2nd round pick, I am waiting until later to pick one.


    The thing that jumps out about Hall is wet he leaps over the line – he looks really athletic. He can really leap. It’s sort of a nuanced skill with limited use but it does speak to his overall athleticism.

    I’m sort of torn on Spiller. Hes got a lot of physical attributes to be a workhorse but He has these really long strides when he runs. Did you notice that?

    I like that out of receiver , Or even a QBs who runs, I remember (controversial name warning) Colin Kaepernick also had really long strides like that and it was like he was galloping once he was in the open field.

    But to me that’s a quality I don’t love in RBs. Terry Kirby is a back that comes to mind who ran really upright with long strides like that and he ended up being a very good reviving back it that’s not really what I’m looking for especially if we continue the same sort of draw plays out of the shotgun we seem committed to.

    It’s just my Initial perception of spiller. I haven’t watched him thwt much. I’m just wondering if that noticeable to anyone else.

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  52. Rockphin says:

    Stanger, I don’t think anyone on this board has an answer for you. Although a few of them probably do subscribe to the Q phenomenon based upon their other posted beliefs. Most of the shit that comes from that sector is so bat shit crazy it makes it hard for me to take any of them seriously.

    • stangerx says:

      I don’t think anyone on the board is Q. Do think Q stuff mixes in with what comes out out of the alt-right. So folks get some flavorings of it rather than the whole dish.

  53. stangerx says:

    Cassius Marsh — grow some balls.
    “But the one thing that I will say is on my way to the sideline, I got hip-checked by the ref, and it’s pretty clear. If I were to do that to a ref or even touch the ref, we’d get kicked out of the game and possibly suspended and fined. So I just think that that was incredibly inappropriate. And that’s all I’ll say about that.”

    • Rockphin says:

      The ref had his hand on the flag before initiating contact with the player. It looked premeditated to me. It DOES look like the ref was feeling his tiny little balls stiffen.

      • stangerx says:

        To my eyes he was just turning around. I hardly see that as a “hip-check.” Incidental contact at most. Talking an NFL player and a ref in his 50’s.

      • bailbondmike says:

        He was turning but saw the player coming and purposely leaned back toward the player as he turned. Ref is watching the player all the way.

      • stangerx says:

        BBM — but how do you know it was on purpose? Ref moved back at most a foot.

  54. ocalarob says:

    Parker has a hamstring issue, that’s tough to heal, it takes time, him playing can only get worse. Will Fuller has a significant injury, broken finger. nothing you can do about that except let it heal, injuries are part of the game, no need to dump a great player for that, the player you replace him with may be worse.
    i think tuas finger is a legit injury, he may be the better option even with the finger however you have to protect him. i think protecting him was the deciding factor against the texans

    • Ken says:

      Both have been oft injured throughout their entire careers. If these were just one time injuries I would agree with you

  55. Rockphin says:

    Parker has chronic soft tissue issues. He constantly has hammies, calf and foot problems. He has only ever played one full season, and even that season he had soft tissue problems but was able to ‘play through them” well, it was a contract year after all….

  56. Rockphin says:

    Here is the thing that I cannot get to the bottom of. I ridicule them so much they won’t even attempt to discuss with me anymore (because they can’t do it logically and lose every argument)

    If Q posts his stuff anonymously how do they know it is Q posting it?? ??? ????

  57. Tim Knight says:

    The world gets more bizarre each day.

    • stangerx says:

      Could say strange people out there, but not like Charlie Manson and Jim Jones haven’t had followers in the past. Some people want to join cults. And not even gonna turn that one political.

  58. mf13ss says:

    Catching up… has this football blog suddenly turned into the ‘Inquisition of Q and its members’? Did I miss something?

    • Tim Knight says:

      They think JFK Jr. is returning from the dead. LOL

      • mf13ss says:

        LOL is right! And LOL at the posters who want to make something out of something so silly!

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s not like we don’t discuss silly shit here. LOL

      • stangerx says:

        What’s the problem with talking about something as bizarre as that? You in no way have to talk about it but seems you have a problem with it being brought up and commented on. We go all over the place on this board.

    • Rockphin says:

      must have touched a nerve huh?

      • mf13ss says:

        Not at all. I think “Q” and its ilk are pretty much insane… but I never hear of the insane liberal BS, or the MIDDLE that’s equally insane.

        Keep going for the low-hanging fruit… LOL

      • Tim Knight says:

        You never hear insane liberal BS? Really?

        And what is so insane about the middle? The middle is basically not too far left or right.

      • stangerx says:

        Then Put out some antifa info. I’ll join in with glee. Just not sure why you have a problem with crazy–assed bat shit Q stuff coming up.

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    WHY didn’t we claim him???

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  65. ElephantRider says:

    That bag of chips Fins should have traded Parker for years ago still is more fulfilling than his career

    • stangerx says:

      He’s still under contract. And problem for me is still like how he plays. But problem is next comment is “when he plays.”

  66. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    November 9, 2021 at 5:03 pm
    What’s the problem with talking about something as bizarre as that? You in no way have to talk about it but seems you have a problem with it being brought up and commented on. We go all over the place on this board.
    There’s no problem whatsoever in talking about the bizarre. It would be fascinating to see ya post something bizarre about the other side of the aisle maybe once every decade, though, my fellow and so-called conservative.

    There’s a TREASURE TROVE to explore! 😉

    • stangerx says:

      I’ve attacked AOC, her squad and clueless liberals many times. Exactly what are you looking for?

      Cause have never seen you go after a far right post. You holding me to a different standard than yourself?

      • mf13ss says:

        LOL, attacking “The Squad” is going for the low-hanging fruit… both sides of the aisle pretty much despise them.

        Know why you don’t see me going after a far-right post? Because I don’t post it here. For the record, I DESPISE Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Ben Sasse, Lisa Murkowsky, Susan Collins, Pat Toomey, and the 13 GOPers who voted to pass the so-called “Infrastructure Bill”.

        I have an outlet by which I CAN b!tch about those things, without bringing it here to the Finsmobunleashed.

        I don’t wish to divide us here via politics, plain and simple.

      • stangerx says:

        Just wish you would add me to that list of people you don’t attack here. Right now cause of Q thinking JFK Jr would be raised from the dead. Stop, pause, and think about that one.

    • Ken says:

      Why do you care what Stanger posts. Quite frankly sitting around Dealey plaza waiting for a return of the Kennedys is batshit crazy and makes no difference what side of aisle you sit on. You know not everything is about left and right

    • Tim Knight says:

      For the record I’ve called out both sides and other nutty stuff. 🙂

  67. mf13ss says:

    • Tim Knight says:

      Tua has a fractured finger on his throwing hand that effected his grip on the ball. It’s not about starting Brissett over him just because.

  68. Phindog says:

    Flo will sit Tua Thursday for Bissett to allow the finger to heal on a short week. The save my job decision is we lost because we didn’t have our QB1 starting.

  69. Tim Knight says:

    Here’s something I find bizarre. Most of the world uses the calendar date of 2021. Yet the Jewish calendar is 5782. The Chinese calendar is 4718. Humans are crazy fucks. They can’t even agree on time. LOL

    • mf13ss says:

      I think that’s a really great point! Humans are arrogant as a whole, and it’s always been that way since we began.

  70. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    November 9, 2021 at 5:27 pm
    Just wish you would add me to that list of people you don’t attack here. Right now cause of Q thinking JFK Jr would be raised from the dead. Stop, pause, and think about that one.
    Your definition of “attack” is misguided: I don’t “attack you”, I respond to you.

    If you don’t like the responses you get, perhaps you should refrain from posting such political content. Either that, or grow thicker skin. You are playing the ‘victim card, Stanger.

    • Ken says:

      You see the world in such black and white right and left terms. I didn’t see Stanger’s post as political. He was just pointing out an absurd belief about an event that just happened

      • mf13ss says:

        If one would like to talk about the bizarre world we live in, perhaps it would be… refreshing to hear about the bizarre on the left.

        Stanger talked about “Q”, which is notoriously aligned (rightfully or wrongfully) with the right. Yes, it was absolutely political, Ken.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yes it’s akin to cults that are always predicting Armageddon dates or waiting for a comet to come take us away. LOL

      • Ken says:

        But the post really didn’t have a political slant. Not everything does. It seems like you are placing more political meaning to the post than what was written in it

    • stangerx says:

      I thought thinking JFK Jr would come back from the grave a bizarre thought. But now get you weren’t attacking me about that at all…. even if left wondering what you really meant. And clearly you never attack me. Not even there. My bad.

      • mf13ss says:

        Alright, let’s be fair. I’d LOVE to know your thoughts on the Bohemian Grove in California. It’s a middle-ground, so it’s not SO ‘left or right’, but it’s still bizarre!

        I’m trying to lead you! Why do you ALWAYS attack the right side of the aisle?

    • sb7mvp says:

      You’ve attacked him and his character repeatedly while pretending to treat him with class. You’re literally the only person on this board I’ve seen Stanger call an asshole and we’ve had Home in the comments. So yes. Stop, pause, and think about it.

  71. mf13ss says:

    Ken says:
    November 9, 2021 at 5:41 pm
    But the post really didn’t have a political slant. Not everything does. It seems like you are placing more political meaning to the post than what was written in it
    Ken, Q and Q-Anon is STRICTLY a political movement!!!!! They aren’t posting stuff like how to fix a kitchen cabinet!!!!!!!!! They are POLITICAL, ONLY!!!!!!!!
    You’ve totally lost me, Bro.

    • stangerx says:

      You think it political and I think it an internet cult. They are saying Democrats will be raised from the dead. What’s the politics then?

    • Ken says:

      Yes but pointing out insanity doesn’t make one a liberal or conservative. The world doesn’t operate in black and white. Not everything is about politics

  72. mf13ss says:

    sb7mvp says:
    November 9, 2021 at 5:42 pm
    You’ve attacked him and his character repeatedly while pretending to treat him with class. You’re literally the only person on this board I’ve seen Stanger call an asshole and we’ve had Home in the comments. So yes. Stop, pause, and think about it.
    I see… so now YOU are going to pile on? NOT COOL. Stay out of it.

    I’m NOT questioning Stanger’s character (I RESPECT him as a person)… I merely question why he calls himself a republican/conservative, while ALWAYS, and ONLY shitting on republicans and conservatives.

    Stanger lost his composure by calling me an asshole, that’s all. Had I called Stanger an asshole, all hell would have broken loose.

    I’m composed and I’m a gentleman. If simple questions can’t be answered, then it’s better off to not to invoke such questions.

    Don’t know where you’re going with “HOME”, but I believe that was an attack on ORob: MYB

    • stangerx says:

      I’m a registered Republican.
      I vote 95% Republican.
      I give money to Republican candidates.

      If I’m not a Republican what am I?

      • mf13ss says:

        Then WTF do you continue to shit on your own party?

        Look, I’m getting tired of this.

        I’m here to talk football, yet every day, you post something political that shits on your own party? That really ticks me off, Brother.

      • stangerx says:

        I don’t think you have a clue what I really want as far as politics even if you say you do all the time. For starters I am looking forward to the GOP taking over both the House and the Senate in the mid-term elections. What I want. Seems like you think am against that. Yet exactly what I want.

  73. Tim Knight says:

    Bohemian Grove is an elite secret society like many others (Skull and Bones, The Illuminati, Free Masons etc.) where powerful people, mostly men, gather to discuss the issues of the world. All of them have a level of bizarre. Lots of mysticism, religion and rituals are at its core.

  74. Tim Knight says:

    Nazism is probably the biggest cult we’ve ever seen.

    • mf13ss says:

      I disagree. Though Nazism was the face of EVIL, there were also other regimes that killed even MORE than Nazism (FUCK ADOLF HITLER)… look at China and Russia in the 20th century: Stalin and Mao.

      Communism MUST be faced down.

      • Tim Knight says:

        The difference for me is Communism is a totalitarian state of government where the elites control everything regardless of whether a majority of the people support it or not. With Nazism the majority of German people bought into it in the millions. The only larger cults than that would probably be different religious sects. But with that, I don’t think the majority of people believed in the evil of it. Most thought it was about the righteousness of God. The leaders however were/are evil as fuck.

        Nazism under Hitler was only 12 years. Not quite close to the 1,000 year Reich they were shooting for. They were extremely cultish on so many levels though.

        Comparing who killed more people is not something I get caught up in. Religions lead in that by a long shot. They’ve been doing it longer.

  75. CavalierKong says:

    I stay out of the politics and I’m not trying to get into the middle of this or pile on anywhere, but I’ll just say one thing, lol.

    Isn’t that long haired, swollen, ginger dude whose youtube stuff you guys post always talking smack about the left? And the music guy (Tom McDonald I think???)

    It’s different mediums (comedy and music), but I’d say that constitutes hearing about the crazy left side of stuff, even if it’s not quite the level of bat shyte crazy like the Q stuff, lol.

  76. CavalierKong says:

    I’m going to have to look up the Bohemian Grove thing since it’s my neck of the woods.

  77. mf13ss says:

    Stanger, I HIGHLY respect you, man! I think you know that, even if we differ on politics. I’d much rather you and I talk about football than politics.

    But when I see a ‘take’ that I disagree with, ESPECIALLY from someone who reps the republican or conservative movement, I’m going to call it out. Sorry, but I must.

    There was no need to call me an asshole… that’s what weak people do when they haven’t a good rebuttal… and even you know that, man.

    • stangerx says:

      I didn’t call you asshole, today at least. I did hopefully conclusively rebut your long-standing assertion that am not a Republican. We could compare GOP campaign donor receipts sometime.

  78. CavalierKong says:

    I didn’t mean to kill the blog.

  79. sb7mvp says:

    I’ll talk about what I want to talk about. This is a public forum. For someone who’s supposedly free speech you sure go out of your way to tell people who and what they can discuss. If you’re here to talk football, then no one is stopping you, yet you seem determined to go after Stanger every time he posts something you deem unworthy. Then you have the nerve to tell Stanger to have thicker skin when you’re the one continually getting bent out of shape. You have not been composed nor a gentleman and it’s been in plain English all over this blog. Everyone here sees it except for you apparently.
    Stanger rightfully lost his cool with you because you spent the better part of the last year going after his character and accusing him of some real foul nonsense and if you deny it you’re a liar. Like I said, stop, pause and think about the reason why Stanger of all people called you a name, but still spoke friendly about Home. Because that’s what Stanger does. He goes out of his way to put things in a positive light, but he’s human and apparently you got to find his limit.
    I don’t even know how you equated Home to Orob.

    • stangerx says:

      sb7 — I appreciate it really do. Not a fan of being the center of attention of such though. Sorta gonna be what it will be. But yeah the telling people what they should talk about or not bothers me too. You are a good dude.

  80. Tim Knight says:

    M13, being a conservative doesn’t mean support the Republican Party no matter what. I know a lot of conservatives who couldn’t stand Trump so they may have crossed the aisle for president or opted out an voted Libertarian, or not at all. That doesn’t change their conservative ideology. Just can’t support the person. I wish more liberals would do that from time to time than voting their party regardless of who the candidate is. That said I do know some people who did that too because of the far left within the Democratic Party and they can’t get on board with their agenda.

    It’s okay for we the people to call all of them out and be individual thinkers.

    • mf13ss says:

      Bro, this country as we once knew it is GONE. Freedom of speech is GONE.

      • Tim Knight says:

        No it’s not, that’s just perception. I’m also glad that a lot of things in this country as we once knew it is GONE. What do you want to go back to?

        I agree there is a lot of hypocrisy and overly sensitive people today. But what freedom of speech is gone that you want back? It’s not illegal to say anything, but it might put a red flag on you if you’re spewing hate and danger to others. Just like the idiot CB from the Raiders who’s been released for posting threats. It’s a civil thing, he was still allowed to post it but that has consequences in a civil society.

        People will have you thinking you can’t say Merry Christmas anymore. That’s a bunch of nonsense. People still say it freely all the time. Happy Holidays became a way to allow all faiths to be represented within public arenas. Companies did so as to not to alienate people of different faiths. That’s your belief in the freedom of religion at work.

      • Ken says:

        Shit do I need to change my address

  81. mf13ss says:

    sb7mvp says:
    November 9, 2021 at 6:27 pm
    I’ll talk about what I want to talk about. This is a public forum. For someone who’s supposedly free speech you sure go out of your way to tell people who and what they can discuss…
    I never told ya what one can and can’t discuss. But as it pertains to personal matters between 2 people, and then other people piling on, c’mon.

    Perhaps the next time you get into with somebody else, I’LL pile on you… see how it feels.

    You’ve slandered me twice this evening… three strike policy with me. The so-called ‘beef’ (and it’s a mere disagreement) is between Stanger and me… not for others to pile on, such as yourself.

    SB7, maybe now you understand why I don’t like derisive posts on this board: it only serves to divide us! If we STOP with the derisive posts, perhaps we regain what once was!

    I truly don’t mind going off the usual football posts, but discretion should be used, always. Stanger is good people and I consider him a friend. He and I can settle the matter as gentlemen, without you piling on. Get it?

    • stangerx says:

      “mere disagreement”? Do you realize you attack me more than any other 3 posters combined on this board? I can deal with it, but you seem to make light of it when you phrase it that way.

      • mf13ss says:

        “Attack”? No, mere disagreement is accurate. And you can’t deal with it, being you called me an asshole as a retort to being unable to answer me.

        Turn the page, man.

  82. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    November 9, 2021 at 6:28 pm
    I didn’t call you asshole, today at least…
    That’s WEAK, Brother. You called me an asshole, PERIOD. I don’t expect an apology, either. You hadn’t anything of substance by which to debate me… so as to call me an asshole.

    I let bygones be bygones.

    PLEASE, let’s just get back to foosball!!! 😉

    • stangerx says:

      I said didn’t call you an asshole today. Pull up when I did. Board is here for all to read.

      • mf13ss says:

        Stanger, I did NOT say you called me an asshole TODAY. I said you called me an asshole, referring to the other day, most obviously.

        Look, I’m done playing these mental games with you. Shouldn’t you be looking up the Bohemian Grove, as suggested? Doesn’t the mere curiosity interest you, or are you more about debating me on what “is” means?

      • stangerx says:

        “You hadn’t anything of substance by which to debate me… so as to call me an asshole.” So lets just leave it at that. You said the former law professor had nothing of substance to offer. Do you realize how silly that sounds? But once again you knew what I was thinking better than me.

      • mf13ss says:

        Stanger, I like you very much. I have a voice, too. Do ya remember my motto?

        Don’t take things so personally, so as to call me an asshole. You’ve internalized something you shouldn’t have internalized.

        I UNDERSTAND you take politics very seriously… but why do you constantly clown your own party? Surely, you understand where others come from!

      • stangerx says:

        I called you an asshole multiple times in one day cause that is what you where. You are the one who keeps bringing it up. I’m over it. But you can deal with it as you will. Much as you encourage me to have a thick skin, the way you do is a bit surprising.

      • mf13ss says:

        Then we’re good, Stanger. I can take one on the cheek, as can you.

  83. mf13ss says:

  84. Tim Knight says:

    M13, do you think you and Stanger are coming to a sound resolution or just continuing with the same disagreements? I don’t know how you would consider him a good friend the way you talk to him. I don’t talk to any of my friends like that.

    The only friend of mine that we can call each other out on anything like this is my friend I grew up with when we met at 4 years old. He’s also a Dolphins fan. We’re truly brothers from another mother. But brothers fight. We grew up in life together so we see when one of us is off the mark and feeding some bullshit. We have the best and roughest conversations that two people can have that care and love each other. Because we’re honest with each other even if we’re not seeing eye to eye on this or that. It’s different with couples in an intimate way because there is more emotion involved with that. Him and I can throw reality in each others faces; laugh about it, agree or disagree, bust each other’s chops over it and continue onto other things.

    I said all that because you and Stanger are starting to sound like a couple and you’ve never met. LOL

    • stangerx says:

      For whatever reason M13 doesn’t think I live my political life right. Which is strange cause plenty of Democrats on the board he could go after. And that don’t think anyone has done more Republican politics than me. Today it was about laughing about Q.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I understand. Not sure why what you post bothers him so much. If you were a fisherman and M13 was a large mouth bass, no matter what you have in your tackle box and tossed into the lily pads, he would bite while some of us say that’s not my meal today.

        I admit that ORob’s Tua lure draws me in at times and I just want to kill it as a pissed off large mouth bass. LOL

  85. ocalarob says:

    Stanger, most of the shots i’ve heard you take are absolutely pro left, the fact the you say you’re republican yet you voted for Biden has left me confused as well.

    please take no offense to this post, it’s not meant to impugn you just sort out the confusuion?

    • stangerx says:

      stangerx says:
      November 9, 2021 at 5:55 pm
      I’m a registered Republican.
      I vote 95% Republican.
      I give money to Republican candidates.

      If I’m not a Republican what am I?
      And yes I don’t like Trump or Trumpists. What are you looking for ORob?

  86. sb7mvp says:

    Again, this is a public forum. What you post here is for all to see. Any private conversations would be between you and Stanger via email, text, phone call, messenger, etc. You consistently going after Stanger on this PUBLIC FORUM and pretending that you aren’t doing anything wrong brings the blog down. This “piling on” as you call it, is several members of the board who are pointing out what you are doing and you are completely ignoring them or you are oblivious to the way you come off around here. MULTIPLE PEOPLE are saying the same thing to you. Take the time to absorb the feedback and change for the better.

  87. ocalarob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    November 9, 2021 at 5:29 pm
    Humans are crazy fucks

    what species are you?
    is this like a self personal attack?

  88. sb7mvp says:

    stangerx says:
    November 9, 2021 at 6:37 pm
    sb7 — I appreciate it really do. Not a fan of being the center of attention of such though. Sorta gonna be what it will be. But yeah the telling people what they should talk about or not bothers me too. You are a good dude.
    Well, you aren’t the one making you the center of attention.

  89. Tim Knight says:

    The basics:
    What does a Republican stand for?
    What does a Democrat stand for?

    When you’re at a social function say at a BBQ; do you care which one offers you a beer or a cheeseburger?

    The Neanderthal who likes to intimidate and throw people into the pool is still an asshole.

    The nervous one who doesn’t think there are enough veggies and safe areas is still a nitwit.

    Most of us get by just fine. 🙂

  90. pheloniusphish says:

  91. pheloniusphish says:

    Reading today’s blog conflict

  92. pheloniusphish says:

  93. The Flying Pig says:

    I guess I missed the fighting

  94. Rockphin says:

    For fear of piling on I won’t agree publicly that mf13 is a self righteous asshole.

  95. ElephantRider says:

    I just don’t understand why anyone cares what anyone is? I’m so confused by this. Lol

  96. Krishna says:

    It’s 4am….thanks pp for helping me start the day lmfao? 👍🙃

    Reality in a box…

  97. bailbondmike says:

    Cav, I agree 100% on the long haired ginger being slanted way to the right. I do remember one he did pointing out the hypocrisy of someone on the right. I only posted ones that have some truth that make people think. Others I found to way to corny.

    I think you missed on Tom MacDonald though. Like Stanger says he is conservative (I believe him), TM has repeatedly stated he does not fully support one side or the other and is more independent. He calls out what he sees wrong in this country, calls out certain agendas, calls out the fear mongering and propaganda and calls out all the hypocrisy. It may seem he is right leaning because the majority of that is coming from the left and left media.

    More than anything he calls out the media, music industry and the Elites.

    • CavalierKong says:

      BBM, cool, bro. I certainly wasn’t saying there was anything wrong with posting them or calling you out for it, I was just saying I think we do see some stuff from both sides. I appreciate you taking the time to give it some explanation in response to me.

      I’ve never actually listened to any of the MacDonald videos, I was only making assumptions based on context, so I stand corrected on that and thanks for the clarification.

      The long haired guy, I watch his videos when you post them because it’s irrelevant to me whether he’s right, wrong, or dumbing things down, I think he’s funny as hell, lol.

  98. bailbondmike says:

    Rob Demovsky
    The NFL’s review of the Packers’ COVID-19 protocols is done.

    Per league source, Packers fined$300,000 for violations of the NFL and NFL Players Association protocols, while Aaron Rodgers and Allen Lazard were each fined $14,650.

    Full story coming on ESPN momentarily
    7:06 PM · Nov 9, 2021·TweetDeck

  99. bailbondmike says:

    I agree Rodgers is a selfish entitled bitch.

    Why is he the only one being called out by you guys and the media when he was not the only one guilty?

    You have to look at when the lie occurred. It was during the height of the offseason when the NFL was basically forcing players to get vax’ed or they wouldn’t get to play. The NFL was, at that time, was encouraging teams not to sign or retain unvaccinated players, especially ones who were deemed dispensable.

    Rodgers did his homework on the vaccines. He was allergic to an ingredient in 2 of them and was recommended by his doctor not to take them. Also, there were huge concerns about the other vaccine causing blood clots. He even referenced Atlanta Hawks guard Brandon Goodwin having to end his season due to having blood clots after getting vaccinated. The NBA tried covering it up saying he had a “respiratory condition”.

    “I got sick, then I never recovered from it. I would always have back pain. I was just super tired in the games, like when we played Philly [Apr. 28-30] back to back. Bro, I was so tired, like I couldn’t run up and down the court. Then we went home, that’s when my back really started hurting bad. Then I’m like I have to go to the doctor, that’s when I found out I had blood clots.”

    “I was fine up until then, up until I took the vaccine,” Goodwin said. “I was fine. So people trying to tell you it’s not the vaccine, how do you know? You don’t know. Yes, the vaccine ended my season, one thousand percent.”

    The NFL denied his request for exemption.

    Yeah, he didn’t have to lie. Maybe he didn’t want all the backlash like Zack Seiler and others got just for deciding what was right for their body.

    I think the punishment was just. I mean, those who lie under oath to congress go unpunished. I don’t think he was under oath when he lied about getting vax’ed.

    Lastly, he is putting no one at greater risk through his lie as the science shows you can get it and pass it on to others vax’ed or not.

    • Ken says:

      You have to look at when the lie occurred. It was during the height of the offseason when the NFL was basically forcing players to get vax’ed or they wouldn’t get to play. The NFL was, at that time, was encouraging teams not to sign or retain unvaccinated players, especially ones who were deemed dispensable.
      Not true. Never was a mandate by the league to be vaccinated in order to play. In fact 2 notable QBs Carson Wentz and Kirk Cousins are both unvaccinated but unlike Rodgers they didn’t lie about it and they complied with the league’s enhanced protocols for unvaccinated players. Rodgers lied and didn’t comply with protocols and by the way the Packers have had the worst breakout of Covid of any team in the league

      • stangerx says:

        No excuse for the lie/dodge. Even if not confirmed am also pretty sure he didn’t follow the enhanced protocols for the unvaxed. If he did wouldn’t that fact be the first thing out of his mouth on this?

    • stangerx says:

      On this one I start with the NFL rules do not require players to get vaccinated. He didn’t have to get the shot. He just had to go through some measures like extra testing, social distancing and more mask wearing if he did not.

      And yeah some teams might have cut unvaxed fringe players cause not worth the extra hassle, but this is Aaron freek’n Rodgers.

      Not doubting his choice to not get the vax except he had to know if he did get Covid would cause more problems as far as playing. And that impacts the team, like it is now.

    • bookman11 says:

      I cannot stand Rodgers and have to live his crap everyday here in the media. Even locally in Wisconsin he is getting blasted by fans. The only reason most fans here cheer him is because of his on-field success. As a person, he is an egotistical, self entitled, know it all, and that does not resonate with most of the fan base here in Wisconsin.

      Like I said, he is forgiven without even having to ask for it here, as long as he continues to win.

  100. Randy says:

    I used to love the old series “The Time Tunnel”. Damn, I’m old.

  101. Randy says:

    It’s our culture now. If I can identify you as this or that, then I can attribute certain thoughts, beliefs and actions to you and judge you based on those preconceptions. Then I can silence you, berate you or just down right hate you based on my idiotic preconceptions that really have nothing to do with reality. It’s what lots of people do these days. It allows me to cancel you and your beliefs or political leanings because I’ve already pigeonholed you.

    • stangerx says:

      That is really well said. “Label and proceed” is the new way to approach things. Once the label is in place the person knows what you think better than you do.

      • bookman11 says:

        Easy for you to say you “so called” Republican. LOL

      • stangerx says:

        LOL — but also a perfect example. They have been trying to tag me as a liberal but the facts just don’t match up. Not sure why they just don’t label me as a RINO and move on in life. Cause that one can’t debate much in the new GOP dynamic.

    • steveccnv says:

      And you guys own this shit, because you voted them in😉

      • stangerx says:

        I think that comment was an unbiased opinion about how both sides work these days. Not a fan of the new social media culture and political divide.

      • Phindog says:

        Oh shit, you said you guys. I’m totally offended!! 😆

  102. bailbondmike says:

    Not true. Never was a mandate by the league to be vaccinated
    I never said there was a mandate. I said, the NFL “was encouraging teams not to sign or retain unvaccinated players, especially ones who were deemed dispensable.” This is true. There was no mandate but there was coercion.

    I said Rodgers lied and he got punished and the punishment was just.

    I wonder how many fringe players got the vax out of fear of being cut or released. Again, I know there was no mandate and protocols were in place for those who don’t.

    From MSN, “And while the league can’t force players to get vaccinated, it can create an environment to encourage it happening. That’s where the COVID protocols come in. They’re protocols that stand to ostracize, separate and pressure unvaccinated players to take the shot.”

    Even Jerry Jones said all summer that if you don’t get vaccinated, you’re not part of the team.

    • stangerx says:

      But some places do mandate getting vaccinated. NFL could have gone that route too, but it didn’t. And still a good number of unvaccinated players in the NFL.

      I’m against mandated vaccinations. Think the NFL hit it right with vaccinate or extra testing and other precautions.

    • Ken says:

      You said the was forcing them to get vaxxed or not play. Also you can talk about marginal players all you want but Rodgers is not one of them

  103. herdfan says:

    Why are people so out of their minds over all this? This happened yesterday.

    My 21 yr old daughter calls me all upset. Her boyfriend’s mother told my daughter that their children ‘are going to be retarded because they got the jab’. I don’t know this woman, I’ve met the BFs dad but not her. I’m about ready to drive down to her house and teach her a few things.

    I told my girl, First, that term she used is offensive, Second, I don’t believe his mother has any science background or knowledge to back up her claims and Third, WHAT CHILDREN?!?!

  104. D says:

    Can identify a person as their biological sex if I identify as a person who doesn’t accept other people’s identification?

    If you say know how about this guy.

    • D says:

      Incidentally I actually don’t care what a person identifies as doesn’t hurt me so I don’t really care

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Space Elf!


      He actually doesn’t look as weird as some of the people who do this sort of staff.

      I saw a girl on tik tok who injected ink in her eyes (professionally) and have really some so,e really weird stuff where people make themselves monsters

  105. Ken says:

    My bottom line on Rodgers is he had options. He could have challenged the league rules, he could have complied with the enhanced protocols or he could have received the vaccine. Instead he chose deceit. I think it speaks volumes about his character. Which is too bad because I really like him as a player. I think he may be the best QB I have seen play

  106. CavalierKong says:

  107. CavalierKong says:

    Well thank heavens. So all good on the oline then?

  108. CavalierKong says:

    ▪ Mike Gesicki has been arguably the Dolphins’ best player, making a handful of one-handed catches and ranking fourth among tight ends in receiving yards with 529.

    His 44 receptions are third among tight ends, behind only Travis Kelce and T.J. Hockenson.

    His 12.0 yards-per-reception average is ninth. PFF ranks Gesicki 14th among all tight ends.

    He’s playing 72 percent of the Dolphins’ offensive snaps, up from 62 percent last season.

    The Dolphins, wisely, have used him in pass protection only seven times all season. He has allowed two pressures on those seven pass blocking snaps.

    ▪ Durham Smythe had 15 catches for 161 yards — a strong 10.7 yards per catch — and he’s playing 52 percent of the Dolphins’ offensive snaps, up from 45 percent each of the past two seasons.

    PFF rates him 51st among 72 tight ends.

    Read more at:

  109. CavalierKong says:

    Smythe has been fine as a pass blocker, allowing three pressures in 30 pass blocking chances.

    But PFF rates him only 72nd of 122 tight ends as a run blocker.

    Though blocking was his forte at Notre Dame, his run blocking metrics — according to PFF’s evaluation — have never been as good as there seemingly should be.

    He has run blocked on 118 plays, compared with 97 for Gesicki, who ranks 117th of 122 as a run blocker.

    The fact Gesicki remains subpar as a run blocker is one reason the Dolphins drafted Hunter Long.

    It could be a factor in why the Dolphins haven’t given Gesicki a long-term contract, though he clearly needs to be retained because he’s one of the Dolphins with a top 10 NFL skill (receiving tight end).

    ▪ The good news on Adam Shaheen is he’s rated 29th as a run blocker among 122 tight ends; he has been used as a run blocker on 83 snaps.

    And he has allowed one pressure in 26 pass blocking chances. So as blocker, he has been clearly above average.

    But after scoring three touchdowns on just 12 catches last season (for a 12.5 average), he hasn’t had those opportunities this season and has no touchdowns on eight receptions (and a 7.1 average).

    He has played 45 percent of Miami’s offensive snaps — up from 34 percent last season. PFF rates him 54th of 72 tight ends.

    ▪ Cethan Carter — the Dolphins’ first offseason signing in free agency — has had a negligible impact as a tight end/H-back, playing just 43 offensive snaps (he has two catches for 16 yards).

    His biggest impact has been on special teams (144 snaps).

    ▪ Long has been inactive for six of Miami’s nine games and has played just 29 offensive snaps and five special teams snaps.

    He has no receptions and been targeted once. The Dolphins still don’t have any idea what they have with him.

    Read more at:

  110. bookman11 says:

    stangerx says:
    November 10, 2021 at 3:23 pm
    He didn’t choose deceit — he consulted a specialist…… Dr. Joe Rogan.

    Stanger, he chose deceit by using the word immunized versus vaccinated when he very well knew they were asking him if he got the shot. He tries to play these games because he thinks he is smarter than anyone else, and this time he got caught. Could not have happened to a bigger jerk.

    • stangerx says:

      Believe me was not a favorable comment on Rodgers. Pretty clear he wanted to skate through the situation at his own maximum convenience….. but then he got Covid.

  111. Krishna says:

    LOL….just got back from about 5 hours from a beautiful waterfall in La Fortuna from Arenal Volcano. 500 steps!!!

    Gorgeous day and had to do laundry. The question of the day is clothes hanging in the pure air here. Do you hang your shirts upside down or topside up? It’s been a long time since I’ve done this, so forgot. I was thinking I didn’t want the clothes pin marks to be seen on my shoulder sleeves so I hung all my t-shirts upside down……lol. Yes?

  112. stangerx says:

    Even if will note the salary is cheap. Interesting fact from Barry Jackson:

    “If the Dolphins want to move on from Parker after 2021, they can save $6.2 million in cap space (and his entire $5.7 million salary) by releasing him after June 2022.”

  113. stangerx says:

    “Rittenhouse acknowledged that one of the main reasons he chose to have a friend buy an AR-15 for him as opposed to another type of gun was that “I thought it looked cool.”

    Seems a good reason to not let 17-year-olds get an AR-15 and then kill 2 people with it. Whatever happened in the trial he got the weapon underage and headed into the riots.

    • Phindog says:

      I’m confused, His friend of legal age obtained it legally and lent it to him. His friend should be in violation of the law. Kinda like contributing to the delinquency of a minor. If I gave my son when he was 17 a 6 pack and let him drive to his friends house and he crashed and injured someone I think I would be held accountable in the court of law.. just saying.

      • stangerx says:

        The friend who bought it for him is a “cooperating witness” in the trial. And why not? The cops have the record of sale and the serial number on the AR-15, Not like he can help his buddy now on that point.

  114. ocalarob says:

    CavalierKong says:
    November 10, 2021 at 3:36 pm
    ▪ Mike Gesicki has been arguably the Dolphins’ best player, making a handful of one-handed catches and ranking fourth among tight ends in receiving yards with 529.
    I totally disagree with that stat, for the simple reason Gesicki isn’t playing T.E.
    he’s now a slow slot rec.
    he lines up in the slot on passing downs, Shaheen is our T.E.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I don’t know what the breakdown is on where he lines up, but I know awhile back a te argued something similar when they franchised him as a te and he said he should get wr money.

    • bailbondmike says:

      I read where Travis Kelce lines up off the line 70% of the time. Zack Ertz did the same half his career. It’s not uncommon for teams to do this with receiving TE’s who are a weapon.

      • CavalierKong says:

        Yep, if it’s going to be looked at that way, it’ll be the same for his contemporaries, and Gesicki still ends up ranking the same.

    • ocalarob says:

      The reason he’s so successful is Tua can’t get the ball downfield, his go to guy is gesicki because he can float a pass to him high and gesicki can out jump the guy.

      you have to weigh that against a true slot rec with speed and a qb with a strong arm.

      I’ll take the latter as the qb with the strong arm can stretch the field and make room for a running game.

      The problem with Gesicki playing T.E. is he telegraphs our play. if he lines up at T.E. they blitz!

      • CavalierKong says:

        281 of his yards have come with Brissett throwing it to him. More than half his yardage. And he has lined up for 97 run plays.

      • ocalarob says:

        i think brissett is more of a deep threat than tua has been but still leaves a lot to be desired,

        no doubt gesicki is playing great, i don’t think he’ll be here next year, if they franchise him that’s a hard cap hit. no signing bonus the full amount hits their cap. the fact that they didn’t resign him last off season and drafted a T.E. is very telling, now you think they will take that hit on their cap?

        very doubtful.

      • CavalierKong says:

        We may have different reasons for believing it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s gone after the season.

  115. Randy says:

    I really don’t think the move of Jackson to guard should be a permanent move. I never liked Jackson as a 1st round prospect. He was just too raw and weak. He was over drafted at a position that gets over drafted all the time, so I can see the logic. But, he is not a guard unless he gets a whole helluva lot more power in his game. He also needs to get a little nasty. He’s got the feet of a LT. He’s the most athletic OL we have by a far margin. I know it hasn’t looked that way this year, but he is. Plus, where does Kindley play if Jackson stays there? Kindley might end up being a pretty good guard. Not playing him unless he’s just not buying into the program is just weird.
    So, here’s what I’m thinking….not that this is reality. Lol They move Jackson to guard to let him grow up and get some compete in his game. Throw him inside where you better be physical or you’ll get your ass whooped. That toughens his ass up, gives him time to grow and mature which he always needed anyway and also let’s you get Eich on the field for some experience and to see what he is. Kindley is the odd guy out. Or, maybe they’re cross training him at center too.

  116. ocalarob says:

    this is how much he lines up as a slot rec

  117. Randy says:

    New Wheel of Time series starts on Amazon on the 19th for all you geeks out there!

  118. ocalarob says:

    the problems with gesicki has been discussed over and over, i’m just going by what i read as i’m not in the locker room.
    you have to admit to begin the season he wasn’t being used much, everyone was wondering where gesicki was.
    i guess they just found a way to use him.
    the problems with blocking and telegraphing our position was linked to the reason why they didn’t re-up his contract and drafted a te, it would seem the writing is on the wall.

    we shall see

    • stangerx says:

      He’s one of the top TEs in the league and we can keep on franchise cheap or use that as leverage for long-term. Last position am worried about.

  119. Rockphin says:

    DAMN AMAZON!!!! Been waiting for someone to make WOT for decades!! The rights were sold two or three times before Amazon finally produced it.

    Too bad for me I boycott Amazon

  120. pheloniusphish says:

    Regarding Rittenhouse – he was attacked and he killed two people defending himself. Gun was legal as was his possession of the gun. Unlike the third guy he shot who was a convicted felon with an illegal gun.

    • CavalierKong says:

      I am not a lawyer, but from what I’ve seen so far, I’m having a hard time seeing how the prosecution can possibly get a conviction on anything other than him possessing a dangerous weapon being under 18.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I think some of the perception of it can be misleading

        Bc the prosecution is fighting to bring stuff into evidence a verdict should not hinge on

        But they really made the kind of mistake that might lead to a mistrial by pushing and pushing for something they really didn’t have to push for

        And they put way to much emphasis on the belief he was motivated to be a social media star – and I’m really confused with the emphasis on that rather than practicality

        A self defense defense is affrimative defenses – it’s not three prosecutions burden to prove an affirmative defense, just challenge it
        That’s why I say it can be misleading

        Ultimately the defense has to satisfy a burden
        Which is to say that if the prosecution can’t get evidence in and fails over and over again to do that, it doesn’t mean the other side satisfied that burden

  121. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    November 9, 2021 at 8:01 pm
    For whatever reason M13 doesn’t think I live my political life right. Which is strange cause plenty of Democrats on the board he could go after. And that don’t think anyone has done more Republican politics than me. Today it was about laughing about Q.
    Stanger, I simply fail to understand why you always trash the conservative movement. And just earlier today, you were going after Kyle Rittenhouse.

    I don’t CARE how you live your political life, man! I’m just totally ‘mind-fucked’ as to how you call yourself a Republican, yet constantly disrespect the right side of the aisle. It’s nothing personal, yet you take it personally.

    If you put it out there (as SB7 has noted, it’s a PUBLIC BLOG), you cannot possibly believe that 100% of the blog is going to agree… first of all, it’s political, LOL. If you don’t like the blowback, then perhaps it’s better not to get into those matters. Don’t internalize it, don’t get offended, and don’t play the victim card like you’re getting picked on.

    After today, I’m going to do you a favor… while you have every right to post what you’d like, I’m going to do my very best not to bite on your political posts that rant against Republicans and Conservatives.

    Know why? Because I don’t feel it’s worth it to jeopardize our friendship and love of our Miami Dolphins. Call it a concession if you’d like (I’m tired of arguing, I’d rather get back to agreeing), but I’d implore you to please THINK about what I’ve said above. There’s no ‘movement’ against you… but there are a least half a dozen folks on this blog who question your political stances. And it’s NOT anybody’s biz, yet you continue to air it out to everybody (again, PUBLIC FORUM).

    My political hatchet is thus buried, even if I’m confounded by you politically. You’re a great person, and that’s all that matters in my book.

    GO PHINS!!!
    HELL YEAH!!!

    • stangerx says:

      I’m glad you put some thought into this but you said you hated the 19 GOP Senators who voted for the infrastructure bill. At that point can’t you see how someone could have problems with a legislator or others in their own party?

      But am glad you have buried the hatchet. Even if yeah hoping that actually true.

  122. mf13ss says:

    Rockphin says:
    November 10, 2021 at 12:53 am
    For fear of piling on I won’t agree publicly that mf13 is a self righteous asshole.
    I don’t believe you understand what self-righteous means, but thanks for sharing, publicly.

    Having a spine/backbone doesn’t make one self-righteous. Calling someone an asshole (especially from behind a keyboard) is more akin to a self-righteous individual.

    I’m not morally superior to ANYBODY. We’re all human, and to err is human. We’re all equal… so thanks for looking down on me, just because you disagree.

  123. mf13ss says:

  124. mf13ss says:

    Something to consider…

    • mf13ss says:

      We jettisoned the veterans, never rememberin’ about gel time and leadership… on BOTH sides of the ball.

      • Tim Knight says:

        They definitely made a mistake going too young too fast. Nothing can be done about it now. The young bucks are getting plenty of reps. Could bode well for next year but we dug ourselves into quite the hole this year.

      • mf13ss says:

        Agreed, on all accounts. I don’t see Coach Flores losing his job after this season, regardless of how we finish… barring some kind of news that’s near criminal.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Agreed. But the learning curve has to stop next season. Time to play ball and compete next year for the playoffs.

      • mf13ss says:

        Absolutely. Coach will be on the hottest of seats if he can’t get it done next season. Methinks there will be changes made on the OC and/or DC front in the offseason… and I hope it works.

  125. CavalierKong says:


    What I think you’re saying is the burden is on the defense to prove he acted in self-defense.

    So the defense will say “this is the way it went down and why it is self-defense.” But the prosecution still has to challenge that and get the jury to believe either their version of events or that the defense’s version isn’t self-defense.

    I’m obviously not on the jury so I haven’t seen everything, but it is getting pretty detailed coverage and I just haven’t seen anything so far that even remotely challenges the idea he might have really been in fear for his life.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Yeah I haven’t seen that either

      But don’t fall into the trap of believing that those other evidentiary failures have any affect on disproving the self defense. They don’t.

      I don’t really like what the prosecution has focused on so far – but a real strong cross examination by itself can undercut that idea. It’s actually the defense’ obligation to prove the state of mind self defense requires for 3 different moments not a general fear for his life that night

      but the prosecution flubbed around with this “he wanted to be famous idea “ – the prosecution is looking for some sort of sweeping way to undercut those defenses. If it landed it would undercut it. that’s sort of like a haymaker instead of a jab

      And he swung that haymaker and missed big time

      But the reality is a jury can find that self defense applies to 1 or 2 of the men shot that day rather than all 3

      That the big picture at the end of the day. It’s the defense job to prove that state of mind at each moment before firing each shot – and that’s hard

      Unfortunately for the prosecution, those haymakers were so wild he opened the door for a mistrial. So the jury might not even get to decide that bigger question(s)

      Prosecutors rarely get the chance to cross examine the guy charged. The prosecutor showed how unfamiliar he was with it today.

      • CavalierKong says:

        I see what you’re saying with the prosecutorial failures regarding the prior evidence and such. Yeah, I’m not getting caught up in those ‘momentum swings’ that really don’t necessarily have bearing on the verdict.

        In the event of a mistrial, the prosecutor could take it to trial again, correct? It’s basically a reset, and the DA would then have to weigh whether another trial is worth it?

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Not if it’s with prejudice which is what I think the defense asked for today and the judge is considering

        That’s as good as an acquittal

      • CavalierKong says:

        Wow, that’s nuts.

      • Ken says:

        If there is a mistrial it can be taken to trial again. There really isn’t such a thing as a mistrial with prejudice

    • pheloniusphish says:

      Given all the video of Rittenhouse being chased by the mob, getting hit with a skateboard, having a pistol pointed at him (as it turned out by a convicted felon who couldn’t legally possess a firearm), I am surprised they prosecuted to begin with.

  126. Tim Knight says:

    M13, I’m not sure Boyer is on the hot seat because this defense is Flores’ defense. They have the same approach. They just have to play better. There is talent on defense.

    As for the OCs I still think the OL is the main culprit. They’re bad.

    • mf13ss says:

      I think that’s fair, regarding Boyer. It’s been nice seeing this Defense come together in recent weeks, and I DO see promise there… good take, and I hear ya.

      But what with the Offense? Man, that’s a mixed bag, IMO. Is it the coaching or the drafting that our O-Line sucks so badly? And why can’t we scheme around a shoddy O-Line, as the Stealers* have done all season long thus far?

      That’s a ‘chicken or the egg’ discussion that WILL be addressed in the offseason. I’m still not good with co-OCs, but that’s just me. There will certainly be a shakeup on the Offensive side of the ball, IMO.

      • mf13ss says:

        Honestly… this is the worst scenario (what we’ve seen this season) by which to evaluate the young Tua. Tua’s still recovering from his ribs and now a broken middle finger and his passing hand, behind the worst O-Line in the NFL right now, his receivers are banged up (to put it lightly), and we’re experimenting with Co-OCs… with some saying that it’s Charlie Frye who is actually calling the plays.


      • Tim Knight says:

        You know how I think teams defend us, don’t let Waddle beat us deep, we’re not worried about anyone else deep so keep everything in front of us – because they don’t think our OL is good enough to sustain long drives. Don’t allow big plays an make them have to execute long drives. That’s why our biggest plays in the passing game are down the seems to the TEs. The offense overall needs a lot of work, but until that OL gets fixed not much will change.

      • mf13ss says:

        IYO, is it the lack of talent at the O-Line positions, is it that they’re too young, is it the coaching that abysmal, or is the scheme just WRONG for the young O-Line we drafted?

        I’ve gotta say, probably ALL of the above.

  127. Tim Knight says:

    I think what we were doing was Godsey was calling the plays but Frye was the voice in the QBs helmet communicating them. Now it’s Godsey calling the plays and the voice in the helmet. I don’t think it’s that a big a deal, never have. It’s not the plays, it’s the execution. How do you run a consistent offense with an OL that struggles most of the game?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I Actually think it’s a big deal not to have a set organized way of doing it from training camp

      If the execution is bad now, it flows from that lack of organization

      If they figured it out now, in November, it’s like asking your team to execute perfectly without that trial and error period that we see in September, that their opponents got out of their system in September. If your opponent is firing on all cylinders and we are still working through the kinks, losses will continue

      I also think the playcalling is horribly predictable but I’ve ranted about that a lot

      • mf13ss says:

        I agree with ya, Pigster. We should have been able to identify our best 5 O-Linemen through TC, and have them starting together from the jump, in order for them to gel.

        And I agree with ya, Tim… our O-Line is likely (if not probably) our biggest problem on the entire team.

        So it comes down to either the bad coaching or the bad drafting… yet, it could be BOTH.

      • Tim Knight says:

        But when you call say a run play and the RB gets hit behind the LOS what did it have to do with how they called it? If you don’t block a pass play, same thing. When we all agree that our OL is a weak link, it really all starts there. We don’t know what this offense would look like with better blocking. How many times do you see the OL all standing around as defenders play in the backfield? It’s so frustrating. Then we get a good play and it’s a hold or false start. They’re bad.

  128. Tim Knight says:

    M13, I see our OL get beat physically and fundamentally too often. All of them. I’m sure the coaches feel it’s on them too. Maybe our young guys are not ready or not good enough. Right now it looks like both. But as Randy has pointed out, these guys have potential but are green and lack core strength. That can improve but until we see it, who knows?

    • mf13ss says:

      I’m with ya, man. See my reply above to you and Pigster. Who knows if it’s the coaching or the drafting? MANY variables to work through… but I’m coming around to it being the coaching.

      • mf13ss says:

        It’s like Pig said the other day (it’s LOGICAL)… if we have so many high picks on our O-Line, it can’t possibly be a matter of so many talented people sucking… it’s likely the coaching.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I really don’t know. But what I see is not good.

  129. mf13ss says:

    Tim Knight says:
    November 10, 2021 at 11:22 pm
    But when you call say a run play and the RB gets hit behind the LOS what did it have to do with how they called it? If you don’t block a pass play, same thing. When we all agree that our OL is a weak link, it really all starts there…
    YUP, and we absolutely concur. What should we do about it in order to fix it? I’m at loss, other than to bring one of the better O-Line coordinators in the game to Miami. But we’ve tried that before, too.

  130. mf13ss says:

    Gotta run, TTT (Talk To ya Tomorrow)!

  131. The Flying Pig says:


    To answer you question about the RB being hit behind the LOS, the kind of thing I’ve been Saying here (live during the game sometimes) is that it’s often the same play, on the same down, over and over again

    It seems predictable to me.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t know, run plays are pretty basic in general. You can’t trick your way into a run game. Gotta get some push up front and we struggle with that. That has to get better first. They’re going to get plenty of snaps.

      • ocalarob says:

        I disagree, the run plays we use are RPO situations, that’s why they suck, when you have a QB who struggles to throw outside the numbers most defenders are inside the numbers, factor that with a slow developing run pass option.
        very difficult to have success.
        this situation makes the OL & RBs look bad.

        knowing the symptoms does not equate to success, you have to know the root cause.

        it’s the lack of arm strength at QB which dictates the lack of success

      • ocalarob says:

        running plays we use are not basic smash mouth football, they are designed to mis direct due to the lack of physicality that plagues this team. RPO, tua either hands off or takes it himself on running plays, which way did he go????
        not basic in general.

      • Brian in NY says:

        You’re right Rob, Brissett does struggle with those throws, hopefully we get Tua back tonight.

      • ocalarob says:

        I hope we don’t, i want to give Tua every chance to succeed, trotting him out there against a hungry ravens squad would be demoralizing for him, i’d rather wait till the next game where we have 4 easy games in a row.

      • ocalarob says:

        it’s not like we’re fighting for a playoff spot

  132. Brian in NY says:

    Flores is clearly having difficult assembling an offensive coaching staff. He learned from Belichick, which is great, but he’s not Belichick. Not many coaches can lose OC’s and DC’s, jettison high priced veterans, and plug and play unknown players like he did. I feel like Flores is trying to be Belichick, where Bill had tons of experience before he okayed that game, as is a far better coach. You can’t go through three OC’s in three years, get rid of a franchise LT, and all pro second year safety, sign and then trade/release impact players and expect to had the consistency and continuity that an NFL team needs to be successful.

  133. Brian in NY says:

    Another problem with us running the RPO IS the OL. In the RPO every lineman starts out run blocking (which we suck at). So ideally the lineman are already downfield if they are doing it correctly. If Tua wants to pass, that ball has to be out before the lineman go behind 3 yards. I don’t think we are disciplined enough on offense to be able to run that proficiently, but I do have confidence in Tua running those plays.

    • ocalarob says:

      I agree, the scheme is flawed, you’re dealing with inexperience along the OL, they need to learn smash mouth, it limits their thinking and turns them loose. when you have to decide between pass pro or run blocking it slows reaction time and causes mistakes, like the ineligible guy downfield which we’ve seen a lot of, also holding penaltys.

      i’m a firm believer in imposing your will, not trickery.

  134. Ken says:

    Rittenhouse will likely be acquitted of the murder and attempted murder charges and should be convicted of the possession charge. But whatever the verdict is he is guilty of sheer stupidity. He goes to a protest with a fully loaded AR 15. He is looking for trouble either intentionally or he just so stupid that he doesn’t recognize the danger in what he is doing. He should go to prison because of his stupidity but we unfortunately don’t send people to prison because of stupidity

  135. ocalarob says:

    i believe having a marshawn lynch get a handoff from a qb in a pro set who has elite arm strength and accurate. makes success in the running game and play action work. we don’t do that.

    you have to make the opposing D guard the entire field not a portion of it, the lack of arm strength we have allows D’s to crowd the LOS.

    this makes the entire team coaches included look bad. can anyone point out a good facet of this team? is everyone on it not nfl worthy? most are pointing fingers all around.

    lack of arm strength is the culprit.

    • Ken says:

      You keep talking about Tua’s arm strength but that is not a problem. His arm more than strong enough. He was an elite prospect with the only red flag being the hip injury. You don’t get to be an elite prospect if you don’t have a strong enough arm. It wasn’t a shock when he was drafted at number 5. You don’t get drafted there if you have a weak arm. It’s not just the Dolphins that made that assessment but all 32 teams had him ranked as a top prospect

  136. Mike E. says:

    NEW BLOG UP!!!

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