Thursday night shocker!!!! Dolphins beat Ravens 22-10

Last night was fun! Admittedly, I didn’t watch from start to finish, I vowed not to do that because it was really frustrating me to waste 3+ hours while twisting myself into knots. I care, we all do, that’s why we come here and talk. What happened last night was unexpected. No way in hell did I see that coming. Considering the fact that we were outscored 137-16 (I heard Aikman say that near the end of the broadcast) the last 3 games against the Ravens, there was no reason to expect a good result.

A few questions that need to be answered . . . If Tua is healthy enough to be the backup QB, is he not healthy enough to start? The next question is does Xavien Howard have to force a fumble and recover it in order for us to win games? He has done just that in two of our three victories. The next question is, do we buy into this team after 2 straight victories?

Here’s my take on questions one through three. It’s like this in my mind, either Tua should be playing or he shouldn’t. If he’s hurt and can’t play, he’s OUT. If he’s healthy enough to play, he STARTS. It’s confounding to me the way they are treating Tua and I honestly think it’s inexplicable. If he truly is our QB, then he’s the QB. To be clear, there’s no reason that Tua shouldn’t be our QB, Brissett is clearly the lesser of the two and Tua gives us the best chance to win. When people say “I already know what QB Tua is/will be”, I scoff at that. Players evolve differently. Specifically, this team’s roster has been in such a state of flux, I don’t know how anything on the offense can be evaluated properly. We have different WR’s lining up each week, and the truth is, our two best WR’s Parker and especially Will Fuller haven’t been 100% and in Fuller’s case haven’t been on the field. Preston Williams has also missed extensive time. It’s been a revolving door, and then add in the constant shuffling of the O-line. Deiter, Mancz, Reiter, there’s a different offensive center every game and sometimes during the game. You know what helps players the most? C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-C-Y. We’ve had none of that. No offense to anyone who said that they know what Tua is, but I couldn’t disagree more after just 14 games over two totally different seasons.

So we get a big win in prime time, and man, that was enjoyable. I say savor it because you never know when the next win is going to come. I know we play the Jets at MetLife next and some people are going to get ahead of themselves, although most of us here won’t fall into that trap, we’re seasoned Dolphins fans and we know better. The Jets also had a shocker when they knocked off the AFC North upstart Cincinnati Bengals 34-31 in Week 8. Who knows which Jets team shows up, the one that beat the Bengals or the one that gave up 54 points and 45 points to the Patriots and Colts respectively?

Our schedule for what it’s worth appears a little easier with games against the Jets, Camolina Panthers and then the NY Football Giants before we hit our BYE week in NFL Week 14. If we can duplicate last night’s effort the next 3 weeks is it possible we go into the BYE 6-7? I wouldn’t bet on it, and I think Brian Flores is really showing a lot of signs of WTF? lately. I expected growth from him and it almost seems like we’re seeing regression instead. This team has developed a pattern of being strong in the first quarter and then falling off a cliff. We’re pretty successful on our first drive but then the offense just disappears after that. That’s coaching, not on the players. That needs to be addressed.

Some interesting stats to digest. In the 1st Quarter, we are #7 in scoring. In the 2nd Quarter, we’re #32. In the 3rd Quarter, we’re #30. In the 4th, we’re #18. If that doesn’t point to coaching, what does? It says when we go by game plan we start out well, but as soon as we have to adjust, we completely deteriorate. I know Flores is young and inexperienced. You can be a great positional coach and teacher but when you’re responsible for running the entire show, well that’s a different story. I think Flores needs at least one very experienced coach to be his right hand man. I know Jim Caldwell was supposed to be that guy, and I think it’s a big loss that never materialized. Game management is a difficult skill to learn. You don’t want to step on the toes of your coordinators and you have to watch everything, managing time outs, challenges, substitutions all while watching the game clock and managing that as well. Having someone who’s done it but doesn’t threaten to take your job would be a welcome addition here. I think Flores has a good foundation, but I’m not 100% convinced he’s capable of running the whole show right now.

It didn’t count, but man was that fun to watch when mammoth RG Robert Hunt intercepted the screen pass intended for Myles Gaskin and rumbled towards the endzone and then made an incredibly athletic twisting leap for the goal line that Barry Sanders would be proud of. It didn’t count because he was an ineligible receiver, he didn’t report as an eligible receiver which is required but it was so crazy and amusing! I’m happy we won but the only thing that can keep me happy is more wins, and lots of ’em. Let’s hope we can be focused and keep the positivity flowing in New Jersey against our division rival NY Jets.

GO DOLPHINS!!!

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1,100 Responses to Thursday night shocker!!!! Dolphins beat Ravens 22-10

  1. SB, the US has gained 15 trillion in wealth since the year 2000

    but China has gained 120 trillion in wealth since the year 2000

    that is close to 8-1, which matches the currency ratio of rmb to dollar

    imagine if both nations had currency that was somewhat equal, and not being government manipulated, thats all we can do is imagine, because NOBODY is doing anything to cut into it

  2. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    SB – He said Biden hasn’t ended Trump’s deceitful tariffs. This just means that bad orange man did a bad thing and Biden has too busy to end it. How is that blaming Trump? lol

    • Your comment is funny , lol

      but the damage to our wallets, isnt

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Bidenflation has a shit ton more to do with Biden policies than it does Trump tariffs, but nice try. Gas being over $4 per gallon is on Biden pal, no one else. The same steak that was $7.99 per lb when Trump was President is now $23.99 per lb. Go figure . . .

      • Mike, that is just partisan BS< with no factial basis

        wake up and smell some facts, BOTH trump and biden have fucked this nation over, AND since the year 2000, Bush was elected, the wealth is going to Asia, along with manufacturing

        if you are looking to blame presidents, Biden and trump both fucked up, but so did obama and bush

        but for NOW, Biden could end the deceitful trump tariffs to stop inflation, But he hasnt

        this is our current problem,

        gas prices? can a US president control what opec and russia charges us? no, they cant, US presidents dont control or own OPEC, nor do they control the prices of Chinese imports

        Trump told the truth that china is a currency manipulator, but did nothing to stop it

        all talk and no action, which is what Biden did with inflation too

        passing the buck, and WE pay for it

  3. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    And for today’s random thoughts…

  4. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    LOL @ BBM!

  5. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    Don’t give up Ken! That’s not what Hulks do!

  6. i didnt realize inflation had so many fans, lol that doesnt make sense

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      For a guy who supposedly makes money day trading ETF’s and such, you have a very loose grasp on how our economy works.

  7. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Rock – I need a big favor from you . . . I have a backpack made by Targus, decent manufacturer of such things. Anyway, this fucker of a backpack doesn’t want to stand up, it tips over. It might help if you tell it to “Stand the fuck up!!!!”. Would you help a friend?

  8. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    On the Hunt catch Tim, with him not knowing he can’t catch that pass, is all on him.

    There’s a reason for prerequisites

    Does his OL coach have to teach him how to put his pads on too?

    It’s just baffling some of the shit these players don’t know, that the average fan does

    Another thing that bothers me is a false start by the XP/FG unit, just watch the ball you aren’t firing off to block someone, and moving around to block someone, when all you should be doing is turning into the C to block off gaps

  9. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Maybe some of these guys are so stupid, that the rookie symposium should include NFL football 101, but stupid is as stupid does, so they’ll likely forget anyways

  10. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    David

    Serious question. Do you think it’s good for the blog when you wake up in the morning and type whatever is making you angry at the moment?

    People dive into non football things all the time, so I’m. It trying to give you a hard time

    But first thing in the morning when no one was talking about a subject?

    Do you see how that affects the tone of the blog for the rest of the day?

  11. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    The Hunt catch worked. If he had knocked it down it would’ve been 4th down. The fact that he caught it and took it in the endzone made the ravens take the penalty and give us another shot at 3rd down. Had they declined the penalty it would have been a td

  12. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    You guys honestly think Hunt doesn’t know the rule? You’ve never gotten caught up in the heat of the moment?

    It might be different if he’d ruined the play be catching it, say by reached out in front of Gaskin and taking the ball. I’d understand the criticism then, but Gaskin (the intended screen target) was clearly in front of him, the ball was already past him and he couldn’t make the play. It turned out he actually did the best thing he could in that situation, so I applaud his ‘instincts’, lol.

  13. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I’m pretty sure OL are trained not to touch the ball unless they are eligible

    But you can understand what I am skeptical that this coaching staff has taught our players anything

    I’m that article SB posted he says he just wanted to get into the endzone

    So I don’t think he was thinking about getting the penalty to get a new play

    • sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

      There are plenty of things that point to the coaches shortcomings on offense, but I don’t think this play is the best example of that. In the article, Hunt said he saw Campbell there and he was trying to prevent the interception. He basically got caught up in the moment after that.

  14. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    We are facing Joe Flacco on Sunday

    Thoughts?

  15. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Yes, I believe he didn’t know the rule, and sort of says as much, by saying, it didn’t click in my head that it didn’t count.

    “I was just trying to win at that point,” Hunt said. “Even though it didn’t count, it didn’t click in my head that it didn’t count. I was just trying to score.”

    How many times have we seen other OL in the same position, only to throw there hands up into the air after the ball hits them?

    That would be the natural reaction

    • sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

      Not clicking in his head at at the moment isn’t the same thing as not knowing the rule.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        True, but if he doesn’t react to the ball hitting his hands, he likely never knew

        Most people would have a triggered reaction and the memory would come back

        Odds are he didn’t know the rule

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Steve, they practice reporting as eligible, they also do it in games. Even if Hunt has never done it, he sees other linemen doing it. He would have to be blind, deaf, ignorant, on top of being a moron to not know the rule.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      He doesn’t even remotely say that he doesn’t know the rule that he’s ineligible. You used the comment he makes after he had already grabbed the ball and was caught up in the moment.

      Here is the comment he makes that actually says what he was thinking when he caught the ball

      “…I saw the ball, I didn’t want it to get intercepted, so grabbed it and took off running with it.”

      So if you take what he said about running with it at face value, why not the first thing about catching it?

      Even if you don’t buy that he thought it out and think he just reacted, how can you possibly think an NFL lineman doesn’t know that rule?

  16. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    I would much rather play against a young inexperienced QB than a vet like Flacco

    We really blitz a lot on defense. It’s very disruptive to younger QBs. But a vet like Flacco may be able to discern it better.

    That said, Flacco isn’t really known as the dissecting type

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Not me, we killed Flacco last year, expect the same on Sunday.

      Wilson will have 1 first game against us, a game he should struggle mightily, would rather that day be the next time we play the jets, after beating Flacco in the 1st meeting

  17. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    We’ve watched this team enough times to see our defense allow nobodies like Flacco and inexperienced rookies to carve us up. We could eat either one alive or allow them to carve us up. It’s happened too many times to count, no matter the coaching staff.
    I also know that Flacco gets a lot of undeserved respect on the board and he’s even been called elite, but the guy is just Chad Henne if he had actual coaching.

  18. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Agree

    I like our chances against him a lot more after our last 2 games though

  19. boulderfinfan's avatar boulderfinfan says:

    our playoffs chances according to CBS sports. According to them the
    Titans,Bills,ravens and chiefs are the division winners and the pats, chargers and the steelers are WC teams.

    “Here’s a list of the playoff chances for all the other AFC teams (their percentage chances of getting into the playoffs is listed next to them in parentheses): Colts (49.1%), Bengals (33.1%), Raiders (29.1%), Browns (25.6%), Broncos (21.6%), Dolphins (1%), Jaguars (0.0%), Jets (0.0%), Texans (0.0%).

  20. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    I think our defense will be fine against the jest, no matter who is under center. IMO, if we lose this game, it’ll be the offense and turnovers.

  21. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Hunt made what will be one of the signature plays of the season. He made the elevator in Miami Gardens too.

    But here is a Q for you rules experts, if after the catch Hunt fumbled and Baltimore recovers…. is it then Ravens ball?

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      An ineligible receiver would negate it all, man.

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      Yes, they decline the penalty.

    • sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

      I don’t know exactly, but I would think that offensive penalties after a play has started can’t wipe out a turnover like had the Ravens gotten an interception, but our team committed a holding penalty before it happened.. The Ravens could decline the penalty and keep the turnover.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        I’m not sure either, but think it would be different than if say an illegal formation or false start as well. There was no penalty till he caught the ball.

  22. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Brian Flores

    2019: 0-4 in September, 0-3 in October
    2020: 1-2 in September, 2-1 in October
    2021: 1-2 in September, 0-4 in October

    Career: 2-8 in September, 2-8 in October
    4-16 combined in September and October

    These slow starts are KILLING us.

  23. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  24. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Stang, the ball is live, which is why they let the play run until it’s over. It’s not a dead ball foul, which is where ‘order of operations’ comes into play. If Hunt fumbles and the Ravens recover, it’s their ball, same as if he got taken down at the 5 they could have declined as well.

    And for proof of this, I give you linemen who don’t report as eligible. If that lineman touches the ball but doesn’t make the catch, the defense can decline the penalty and the offense loses a down. We see that happen on occasion.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      I’m still not sure, but if what you say (and I think) true then Hunt should have just batted the ball down. Was a great show, but only thing he could have accomplished was a negative. Different if all just for fun.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        If he just bats the ball down, the ravens decline the penalty, it’s 4th down, and we have to kick the FG right then. The fact he scored a TD gave us another chance at 3rd down.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Fascinating. A play you know will never count done with extreme gusto to get the other team to accept a penalty you committed. NFL can be more chess than checkers at time.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        I’m not saying Hunt knew that about scoring the TD. I’ve been trying to change Steve’s mind about Hunt knowing the rule on illegal touching, but on scoring the TD Hunt basically admitted he just ran with it after he caught it, lol.

        I think you make a valid point about just batting it down. There was far more that could go wrong with him catching it, than just batting it down.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        And if he batted down no penalty…..but that still would have meant field goal.

  25. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  26. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Stang, you make a good comparison with illegal formation vs false start.

    False start kills the play because it happens before the snap, it’s a dead ball foul, i.e. the foul occurs before the ball is live. Nothing that happens after the false start counts.

    Illegal formation is a live ball because it occurs simultaneously with the snap, and if it’s a bad play the defense can decline the penalty and let the play stand. The illegal formation doesn’t automatically kill the play.

  27. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  28. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    MIke, not going to get into a socio-economic argument with you but this is dead wrong.

    “Gas being over $4 per gallon is on Biden pal, no one else.” If you think that one man has the power to control the price of a commodity, then you are simply lost and there is no point in discussing it with you further.

    We went through a year when noone was driving, factories were shut down and Russia was feuding with Saudi Arabia undercutting each other on oil prices. Oil futures hit an incredibly low “Negative price point” in 2020. Now the economy is booming again. there is more work than there are workers, the world has “reopened” and consumers are consuming again. When oil hit negative dollars per barrel were you getting your gas for free? NO you were still paying over $2.50. The is a huge demand for fuel now that wasn’t around last year. Of COURSE gas prices have risen.

    Just out of curiosity, how do you think the POTUS (whomever sits the office) controls commodity prices? It is all supply and demand. (with a more than health share of price manipulation by the supplying contries.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Obviously Biden could lower gas prices by releasing the strategic oil reserve, but he hasn’t done that yet. But that just a short term move and agree no President — Trump or Biden — can control the price of a global commodity in the long term.

  29. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  30. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    David is wrong when he says the Biden can get rid of inflation by cancelling the Tariffs too. Not everything that comes from China is included in the Tariffs, and certainly not everything that has gone up in price comes from China. There are many overlapping reasons for the inflation we are seeing today. Nothing is as simple as can be spat out in one paragraph on a dolphins blog.

  31. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

  32. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    You can’t always take these as infallible, but here is the rule at all levels of play, including the NFL.

    https://www.rookieroad.com/football/penalties/illegal-touch-pass/

    Here are a couple of the pertinent bits:

    “Also, the play does not stop when an illegal touch is made. If the play continues and the defense creates a turnover, they can simply decline the penalty and take possession of the ball.”

    “The NFL also gives a loss of down penalty if the receiver touches the ball after being out of bounds.”

  33. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    Oh, and Mike, face time me and I will try to yell at your backpack, but I don’t think it will help. Most PEOPLE don’t listen to me, why do you think an inanimate object might? LOL

  34. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    CavalierKong says:
    November 17, 2021 at 2:15 pm
    I’m hoping Pereira gets back to you, so we can have the definitive answer. 🙂
    —————-
    Yeah, me too! I don’t even care if I’m wrong, I’m now extraordinarily curious with the evidence you’ve brought forth, Bro.

  35. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    Seems me and CK are of the same train of thought on everything today. Are you sure you’re Kong and not Gorilla Grodd reading my thoughts?

  36. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    NOT joking around: this was my first thought after Robert Hunt caught the ball and ‘scored’ the TD…

  37. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    There is a very simple solution to inflation. STOP BUYING STUFF. We are competing with each other for a finite amount of items. The free money that both administrations gave away to “save the sacred economy” made money less valuable because it was “free” (anyone in my tax bracket who got NOTHING during the pandemic other than a higher tax bill will understand that the free money wasn’t free) it was just government sanctioned redistribution of wealth.

  38. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    What a nifty run that was. Made me realize how bad at it I was (full steam ahead). Did you see how he hit a wall, backed up and found a new crease?

    “Xavien Howard was named AFC Defensive Player of the Week after his 49-yard fumble recovery for a touchdown against Baltimore. Howard also forced the fumble.”

  39. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    I can’t imagine how our team would have looked the last year and a half without X on it.

  40. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    MF13,
    What do you think of Justin Coleman lately?

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      I can’t deny that he’s really come on as of late. Additionally, I feel like our newfound Defense of ’20 has benefitted him greatly. He could be a keeper after all: I’m really happy for him as of late.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Who can complain about that Coleman INT with the vertical leap? He’s come on strong, but also at the expense of Needham’s time. And Needham seemed to be the bonus surprise in the box of cracker jacks before.

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        I feel like our Defense needs to be consistent in order to completely and accurately evaluate Coleman vs Needham. Same goes for the eval of Tua (who has already won me over, though).

        Thinks are looking VERY good for Coleman as late, though… and I really like Needham, too.

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        Damn auto-correct! I usually don’t use it… I’m turning it back off!

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        We have one of the best CB tandems in the league and two young Safeties who look like the future. Then there are Coleman and Needham. Even in this crazy D not many dime sets.

  41. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    LOL

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      I’m just not sure who goes swimming in the everglades. Gators all over the place inland though.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        The article I posted below, they say when Hunt got out of the water his gal got back in, lol.

        “Hunt said he spent time swimming in the Everglades over the weekend, saw an alligator 30 feet away and jumped out of the water. His girlfriend, curiously, jumped back in.”

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        I’m not in water with gators either. But maybe don’t have balls like his GF does. That she got back in makes the story sound less like a Jaws experience though.

  42. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    ▪ In six games since moving to left tackle, Liam Eichenberg has allowed six sacks and 32 quarterback pressures.

    ▪ As a way to combat the speed of Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson, the Dolphins played Jerome Baker on the edge around 15 plays last week, with Duke Riley and Elandon Roberts at inside linebacker.

    ▪ Quick stuff Part 1: Tua Tagoavailoa said his injured finger “feels good” and he’s no longer limited… Quarterbacks coach Charlie Frye disputed any notion that Tagovailoa’s arm is limited when he’s healthy. “Tua has the arm to make all the throws,” Frye said…

    ▪ Quick stuff Part 2: Jaylen Waddle is sixth in the league in receptions with 60. He said he wasn’t aware of that but said that’s “pretty nice.” Tagovailoa says “everyone knows who we’re going to on third down.”

    CBS is sending Sunday’s Dolphins-Jets game to 9 percent of the country, including South Florida, New York City and Naples/Fort Myers….

    https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article255716526.html

    I bet I’m not included in that 9%…

  43. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    with the loss of malcom brown, not sure why doaks is still on the ps? he’s the same big body rb brown was and what we lack.

  44. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    speaking of gators i once heard manny fernandez trapped a baby gator and put it in shulas office.

  45. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    if you’re part of an nfl team, every player on that roster has value, if you publicly say, yeah tua has a weak arm you won’t have a job for long. so forgive me for not buying frye’s comments, i’m not that blind!

  46. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    there was this girl who was apprx 100lbs, she was a model, she was jogging along west broward blvd and stopped along the canal to rest a bit, a gator came out of the water and dragged her in, they caught the gator and found pieces of her in the stomach.

  47. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    it’s Tua’s tiny little feet I tell ya….

  48. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    some of the continual contribution to this site is amazing.

    • Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

      I know, you should thank us for putting up with your continuous nonsense.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      Could not agree more. Just wish we could recruit some new folks. M13 is like the kid on this place and he is no kid. Like an old folks home. 🙂

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        Stanger, I’ve always liked MF 13, never once did i have an issue with him.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Was only saying he was younger than you and me. Glad to know you like him though.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        yes i do like him as well as i like you, not sure why the need to toss his name out like that though,

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        I toss it out cause he is in his 40s and the rest of us older. Did you have a problem with that for some reason? I’d love to be in my 40s again. So don’t get your thing here.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        is this an admin thing?

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        it just strikes me as odd to come out of the blue and say something like that, you seem to be trying to minimize it so that’s a good start, i’m sure if the shoe was on the other foot you wouldn’t wear it well.
        ________________________________

        “M13 is like the kid on this place and he is no kid”.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        “M13 is like the kid on this place and he is no kid”.

        He’s about the youngest person here but he is not that young. What do you have a problem with? More than happy to discuss with you.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        you want to recruit new folks cause “mf 13 is like a kid”?
        _________________________________________

        just your run of the mill statement? you don’t see the lack of respect in that statement? maybe you should try to aim higher.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        I was talking about M13’s age. You can take offense as you will. But have to ask do you really take offense or just see a reason to move to the attack? I’ve already explained it to you 3 times. And I couldn’t care less.

  49. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    some of us talk football others talk stupidity

  50. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    CavalierKong says:
    November 17, 2021 at 4:00 pm
    You think he has a rocket? I think he has a pretty average arm, but I certainly respect your right to a different opinion.
    _______________________________________

    sarcasm aside, the jury is still out on Tua, i’m not ready to anoint him franchise qb, there’s something wrong with this team when he’s under center and i’m not buying it’s a cascade failure.
    the only thing i can come up with is what i’ve stated in the past, teams don’t respect his long ball ability and crowd the los.
    so we have 4 games coming up against sub .500 teams, can’t wait to see how he handles these teams, will they also load the box? will we score more than 1 td and two fgs?
    we shall see

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      They also crowd the LOS because they know our OL can’t block it.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        tough to block 8 against 5

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        That goes for the TEs and RBs too. We are not a good blocking team. Not sure why everyone is still trying to figure it out. It’s obvious every week. When we do get time we usually complete them.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        you have to investigate why that is? why are we a bad blocking team? is there a common denominator? as most talent in the nfl are equal.
        could there be another reason?
        is there an elephant in the room called the lack of downfield plays?

  51. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    If you go back over all tua’s plays this year, is it just me or is there a severe lack of downfield plays?

    I watch every game and I think I can count on two fingers the amount of downfield plays made, compare that with rogers, stafford or brady who consistently make downfield throws.

    Is there something wrong with that picture?

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      What I’ve noticed is Waddle is always double teamed when he runs a deep route. Not many of our WRs have deep ability unless there is a broken coverage – see Wilson and Ford. Most of Tua’s chunk yard passes have been to the TEs down the seems. Our WRs don’t beat corners one on one down the field. That and our QBs don’t get enough pocket time on 7 step drops. We struggle to even get time on 3 and 5 step drops.

  52. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Has anyone ever tried to throw a football with fractured ribs on their throwing side? Doubt they’re healed, as in, fully “repaired”, both hard and soft tissue.

    He came back pretty fast, imo.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      so let’s give him the benefit of doubt, that’s why i said can’t wait to see how he handles the next four teams who are sub .500
      i sure hope he airs it out as advertised

  53. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Rob,

    I am also not ready to anoint him anything. I’m not even sure he is a legitimate starter, let alone a franchise QB. I think he has an average arm, average legs, and so far in a short NFL career is injury prone.

    I think he has elite accuracy, an elite release (speed), and he manages the pocket well.

    I am concerned about him not taking deep shots, but I don’t think it’s because of his release point or his arm strength. He doesn’t have a Josh Allen arm to gun it 40 yards down the field in the blink of an eye, but we’ve seen he can throw the ball deep, he just doesn’t.

    Really the biggest difference in your stance and mine, is I don’t think he has a weak arm, just average, nor is his release point a problem IMO.

    I think when your oline has 25% more pressures than the next worst team in the league, it’s impossible to evaluate the QB play. And I think our coaches scheme everything close to the LOS because of the oline issues which exacerbates the problem, because then it’s easy for teams to play everyone up close. We see that as the same issue, we just have different ideas about why it’s happening.

    And I gave you the same kind of response you gave me with “glad that’s cleared up, so then tua has a rocket, i get it.” so… 😛

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      i agree, release point hasn’t been a problem, i just tried to pick up on what was wrong with him last year and that seemed to be an issue at the time.
      we need more downfield strikes to loosen up the opposing D,

  54. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Is it a valid comparison to make between between a rookie and veterans?

    Holographic OL, might be looked at, as well…lmao

  55. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Stang, I’m pretty sure SB7 is the baby of this bunch (not sure about Twice’s age).

    MF13 is less than a year younger than me, we’re both mid 40s, but if memory serves, SB7 is younger by a few years.

  56. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    Wow, mid 40s….think I’m after OD. Lol…

  57. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    ocalarob says:
    November 17, 2021 at 4:14 pm
    you’re always mad? i know being bald sucks but it’s not the end of the world, cheer up dude.

    I am not always mad. As a matter of fact I am usually laughing when I interact with you. Being bald doesn’t suck, it just is what is is. Nobody ever died of being morbidly bald. Once again your low shot missed the mark. But keep up the good work. I laugh AT you daily.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it’s me, I’m a little fucked up maybe, but I’m funny how, do I amuse you? I make you laugh, I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

    • sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

      Are you one of those dudes that still goes to the barber and gets your haircut? I’m always stuck behind 3-4 guys who refuse to admit they could be taking care of themselves at home. lol

  58. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    no wonder! it’s the wrong time of the day to post here.

  59. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Mike shows up on the blog and writes “Here, all of you hold my beer.”

    (The elderly gentlemen on the blog may have to look that reference up) 🤣🤣🤣

  60. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    ORob, you know another thing this offense lacks is big plays of any kind. Who breaks a big run or has a big catch and run taking to the house? Brown’s 24 yard TD run is the longest run we’ve had overall. Not sure what our longest receiving TD is but it’s not that long. Our defense has two longer TDs than our offense does.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      the thing with that is, opposing DC’s try to take away your strengths and make you beat them with your weaknesses, i believe that’s what they are doing, crowding the box so we cant run and making tua beat them deep.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        But deep passes are not the only way to break a big play to the house. That’s Waddle’s strength but they crowd him and don’t allow him to get into space either. If teams stack the box there should be opportunities to break a few here and there and we’re not doing that either.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        yeag there is an opportunity to break a few, stretch the D with downfield shots!

        it doesn’t strike you as odd to keep throwing screen passes every play?

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        We do throw a lot of screen passes but also hit guys for chunk yards beyond 10 yards. Mostly to the TEs but Hollins and Parker have had some too.

        As I’ve said many times before, the OL is where most of the issues start. When QBs get knocked off their spot too often the plays become improv plays and this team does not have a lot of experience playing together to know what a guy will do say like Rodgers/Adams or Mahomes/Hill. The body of work playing together just isn’t there.

        That said Tua staying on the field is part of that too. They can’t build continuity with guys being in and out of the lineup.

  61. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    stangerx says:
    November 17, 2021 at 4:56 pm
    I was talking about M13’s age. You can take offense as you will. But have to ask do you really take offense or just see a reason to move to the attack? I’ve already explained it to you 3 times. And I couldn’t care less.
    ________________________________________
    stangerx says:
    November 17, 2021 at 4:01 pm
    Could not agree more. Just wish we could recruit some new folks. M13 is like the kid on this place and he is no kid.
    __________________________________-

    i’m not taking offense nor am i attacking you, i just find it odd to post something like that out of the blue, taking everything into consideration as to your history with him it clearly looks like you are taking a shot at him, and he’s not even on the site.
    maybe we should seek higher ground in the future, you know, being an admin calls for a higher standard.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      So then even though have explained what I meant multiple times….. take it as odd. And was not taking a shot at him any way shape or form. Do you think haven’t told you the truth? Given you keep bringing up after explaining a bunch of times seems not.

      Why do you bring up being admin? I’m just the Fest guy.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        i understand your explanation, hindsight is 20/20, you can make up anything after the fact, it is an odd statement out of the blue. the definition i got from it is mf 13 acts like a “kid”.
        let me give you the benefit of doubt so we can move on, maybe next time be more careful with your wording,
        i wouldn’t say this to just anybody but being an admin you have a standard to meet..

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        He’s not an admin guy. Why do you keep saying that?

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        oh i thought he was? no wonder! my bad.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Orob — obviously you had a huge problem with that comment. I just want you to take it any way you want to take, even if you think I was a jerk for writing it. Or you can take it the way I explained it to you. Whatever works best for you man. What you want is all that matters.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        yes all i want is logical conversation and peace, i’m glad we finally agree.

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      LOL — logical conversation is whatever ORob wants is right. You are a character my friend.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        you don’t still have to keep retreating from your statement, after all this is what our conv is about,
        it’s over, don’t worry about it, being a friend you are allowed to make a few mistakes

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        My short comment was exactly what you want it to be. Don’t worry about what I meant, just make it what you want to be. You have the chance to completely manufacture your own reality on that short two sentence post. And I will say you are absolutely right after, or at least not contest. What more are you looking for?

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        wouldn’t being a fest guy hold you to a higher standard as well? if you go around taking shots at people wouldn’t they not want to come to the fest?

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        it’s just that would be my first reaction

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        But I didn’t take shots at anyone….. unless you say I did.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        assuming that you did

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        Didn’t happen in my mind (and did write the post) but understand what you think is what matters.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        “M13 is like the kid on this place and he is no kid.”
        _____________________________________________
        any reasonable person would not like this comment IMO.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        stangerx says:
        November 17, 2021 at 6:09 pm
        what you think is what matters. Whatever works best for you man. What you want is all that matters.
        ___________________________
        and your consistent attempt to discredit me over this matter is very leftwingish, just own it and move on.

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        And that would be your opinion. You are welcome to it, even if have explained what was meant to you three times. But you go Orob…. what difference will there be at the end of the day?

      • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

        “and your consistent attempt to discredit me over this matter is very leftwingish, just own it and move on.”

        Are you just looking for the last word on this? You crack me up man.

  62. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Robert Hunt went swimming in the Everglades. The alligators were afraid

  63. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Seriously who TF goes swimming in the Everglades?

  64. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Robert Hunt cage dives with Great white sharks without the cage

  65. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    i use to go fishing at night in the everglades, down sawgrass or holiday park, i would take a cane pole (calcutta) put 90lbs test on the end, about 18 inches of line, use a lunker lure ( a metal lure with a propeller and skirt on it) and drag it along the shoreline flopping on top of the water from a small jon boat and trolling motor.

    i would catch huge bass one after the other, they couldn’t resist it. there were loads of gators bumping the boat, some would grab my fish off the hook.

    best fishing i have ever done, it is not legal to fish that way now.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      That lure sounds like what we call a spinner bait.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        top water lure, it’s called a lunker lure. you catch one bass after another, they cant resist it. they slam the top of the water hitting it.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Oh okay. I used to use jitterbugs and other noisy top water lures at night for bass. Great fun!

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        other top water plugs would get stuck in the sawgrass, this metal lure with 90lbs test, line only 18 inches long, you can rip it out of the weeds clean it and continue very quickly.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        it’s basically a thick wire with a prop, skirt and hook, very slim and heavy duty.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Yeah where I fished up north the only thing we really dealt with on the top were lily pads. We would cast to the shorelines and reel back to the boat maybe 50 feet out. Made it seem like something on land or in the shallows was venturing out. The bass can’t allow that. LOL

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        you cut the tip end of the calcutta pole to a good thickness, so you have a firm tip, you tie 90lbs test on the end leaving 18 inches of line from tip to lure, then you drag it down the shore line and hang on!

  66. herdfan's avatar herdfan says:

    “….being an admin calls for a higher standard.”

    I don’t think this was ever explained to me. 🤔

  67. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    ORob,

    Thank you for your defense of me(!), but it’s ALL GOOD. I don’t take offense to Stanger calling me a/the “kid” of this blog, given the circumstances of age and in and of itself. GOOD looking out, but again, I don’t take offense whatsoever, man.

    My hair is beginning to recede and I’ve got some gray coming in: I seriously don’t mind being called a/the kid (again, as it pertains to this blog and its collective age)! LOL

    Besides, everybody on this blog certainly knows my acumen as it pertains to the game of football, I should think by now.

    Stanger, no, I didn’t take offense.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Yeah it was just about the age of peeps on the blog. I think you or D might be the youngest. That said, we do act like kids on this blog at times. LOL

      The gray hair for most is usually in the 40’s followed by aging eyes. I always had really good eye sight, never wore glasses. Hit my 40’s and couldn’t read fine type or menus in dim lit restaurants, so I need readers. However I can still see very well distance and at night. I can see the critters of the night. LOL

      • sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

        This happened to me in 2020 of all years. Just out of nowhere, couldn’t read anything unless it was far away. Had to get reading glasses.

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        Do we act like kids on this blog sometimes, you fuckin’ fuck?! LOL 😉

    • stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

      And no offense was intended. I’d love to be the kid on the blog. Heck I’d love to be in my 20’s again.

    • pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

      He wasn’t defending you. He was just stirring shit with Stanger. It’s his MO.

  68. pheloniusphish's avatar pheloniusphish says:

    Rock – I hate to support you because it encourages you to be right more. I prefer when you are wrong and I can fuck with you about it.

  69. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    Still no answer from Mike P. to my tweet.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      I don’t believe I’ll get one, either. He’d have to explain to the whole world why he’d rule it one way or the other.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Are you talking about the Hunt play? It was an illegal play like a false start or illegal formation. The play doesn’t count no matter what happens.

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        You’ll have to read up the board. FWIW, I agree with you.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Tim, the two example you gave aren’t even the same, lol. You can decline an illegal formation and keep the play if it benefits the defense (say on an incomplete pass on 3rd down, false start, there is no play.

        And the Hunt play does count if the defense declines the penalty.

  70. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    sb7, yep seems to happen over night. I often wonder if being on a computer a lot for 25 years played a role in it that might not have happened so quickly without computers.

  71. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Since I know you aren’t a big fan of reading back about what we’re talking about, here’s my post from earlier:

    CavalierKong says:
    November 17, 2021 at 2:08 pm
    You can’t always take these as infallible, but here is the rule at all levels of play, including the NFL.

    https://www.rookieroad.com/football/penalties/illegal-touch-pass/

    Here are a couple of the pertinent bits:

    “Also, the play does not stop when an illegal touch is made. If the play continues and the defense creates a turnover, they can simply decline the penalty and take possession of the ball.”

    “The NFL also gives a loss of down penalty if the receiver touches the ball after being out of bounds.”

  72. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Kong, okay I had some stuff wrong. I thought illegal formation simply isn’t allowed. I thought I read or heard the Hunt play wouldn’t count one way or the other.

    • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

      it definitely counted, that’s why we got another shot on 3rd down, had he not got in the endzone they could’ve declined the penalty making it 4th down, the fact he got into the endzone they had to take the penalty, declining it would mean TD miami.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Weird, I thought illegal plays were not allowed and you get penalized and replay the down.

        Anyway, Hunt needs to know better than that. He’s a good kid with a good spirit and he made a mistake. But don’t ever do that again. The mental part of the game can win and lose games.

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        I disagree, he didn’t know the circumstances at the time, all he seen was the football there, was it a fumble? is the opposing team going to get an interception or a fumble recovery? it was the correct play on his part, grab the ball and take it forward.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Good point. That could have been the case.

  73. twicethethe's avatar twicethethe says:

    Not to go down the NFL rulebook rabbit hole, but the above conversation where ORob mentioned Hunt was in “grab the ball and take it forward” mode got me thinking there’s definitely something to that, because what if hypothetically a defender had tipped the ball first – would Hunt had then been eligible to catch it?

    • bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

      I think so yes, I thought the same thing.

    • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

      I’m pretty sure any first touch, either by pass by defense or receiving team, for that matter, it’s a free ball to take possession.

      • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

        If eligible first touch by offense, offensive player cannot take possession of carrom without touching defender first/next

        If Gaskin touched first, Hunt could still not catch it. Needs to then be touched by defender, then Hunt could have caught it legally.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      All that makes sense, but Hunt was an ineligible receiver. I’m not an expert on the rules. I always thought illegal plays could not stand. Apparently I’m wrong.

      Let’s focus on destroying Flacco and his backups. LOL

    • D's avatar D says:

      You guys are missing the one rule to rule them all….it’s completely legal if …… It was NE on offense and they needed that TD to win a Superbowl.

  74. ElephantRider's avatar ElephantRider says:

    I’m a kid! Woohoo!

  75. ukfinfan's avatar ukfinfan says:

    ocalarob says:
    November 17, 2021 at 5:55 pm
    top water lure, it’s called a lunker lure. you catch one bass after another, they cant resist it. they slam the top of the water hitting it.

    Interesting

  76. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

    pheloniusphish says:
    November 17, 2021 at 6:20 pm
    Rock – I hate to support you because it encourages you to be right more. I prefer when you are wrong and I can fuck with you about it.

    Reply
    Ahhhhh got it. Happens so seldom it’s like looking forward to Hally’s commit passing, even when at the end of the day it’s just another light in the sky and not the exciting. 😉

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      Cool! Thanks!

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Make Lamar think and play QB, and you may get some good results

      Let him adlib and you have no chance

      When our D, schematically, can confuse the O we’re pretty good, but when they have to play Mano y Mano, not so much

      Guys, that are instinctively smart, like X and Holland, can thrive in this system. Minkah would’ve too

      • ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

        i’m just not sure we can continue to play that type of D, teams will look at the video and find a way to beat it,
        it would seem when we do that the middle of the field is wide open

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        We can’t, it’s smoke and mirrors, and will only work for so long

        Cheats used it less often, but at just the most opportune times, because they had a QB that could score

    • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

      LOL, I love the first 2:15 is Warner saying “I told you”.
      Cheers, SB, good video breakdown.

      • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

        Flores was paying attention or at least had the same idea

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Yep, we ran it to near perfection.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        But it also exposed some of Jacksons limitations as a passing qb IMO. It’ll be interesting to see if he can adjust and make teams using this scheme pay.

      • CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

        Then again, there are probably only a handful of teams that are capable of runnnig zero coverage that many times in a game without blowing a bunch of coverages.

  77. steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

    Going forward, how do we use it less often and still have an effective D?

  78. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    Steve,
    Zero blitz is as mano y mano as you can get.

    • steveccnv's avatar steveccnv says:

      Yes, but we only thrive in it, when the pressure is there.

      Was referring to the entire D only being good, when the scheme puts them in position to succeed

      • sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

        Right, but isn’t that just defense? Offense has the advantage because they know they are planning and where they are going. Defenses are forced to react. Offenses have schemes and defenses have schemes. Anytime a defense can be the aggressor and dictate what the offense does that’s a win. Especially in the era of the salary cap, free agency, and 7 round drafts.
        When we run zero blitz we are gambling that our guys can beat their guys straight up. The free blitzer is man to man with the QB. I wouldn’t call it smoke and mirrors. Besides, we don’t run the zero blitz that often. We just pull it out on special occasions.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Yeah we play man single high most of the time. Then when we go zone it’s cover 3.

  79. Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

    That’s what I was thinking. Loved the breakdown by Warner, especially his purpose to teach….lol.

    Defense takes chances….it’s not called every play and QB needs to make quick reads.

  80. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    A trio of items from Barry Jackson.
    ———————————————————————

    So why do the Dolphins want to continue playing Eichenberg at [LT]? And what skills do the Dolphins believe give him a chance to be a good left tackle, a position he played well at Notre Dame?

    “We know this kid,” offensive line coach Lemuel Jeanpierre answered. “He’s tough. He works at it. We believe he’s going to get it right.

    “His skill set allows him to be a good player. Liam has the tools and technique, the quickness, the fundamentals, the smarts, all those tools. Right now, any mistake seems glaring because… all you guys have pointed it out. We’ll keep working to make sure mistakes are minimized.”
    ———————-
    Eric Rowe said transitioning from an every-down starting safety to a backup who still plays a lot but not as much was “difficult… in the beginning. But I understand the nature of the business. It took me awhile to come [to peace] with that. I’m still looking to help the team. When I’m out there, I’ve tried to make the best of it.”

    Rowe has helped by forcing fumbles the past two games. “It’s always been an emphasis,” he said. Rowe has played 56 percent of Miami’s defensive snaps this season, compared with 89 percent last year.
    —————–
    Quick stuff Part 1: Tua Tagoavailoa said his injured finger “feels good” and he’s no longer limited…

  81. Phindog's avatar Phindog says:

    I know it’s not Friday night but I came across this video I have never seen and is one of my favorite songs 😎👍🐕

  82. Rockphin's avatar Rockphin says:

  83. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    “This is what the practice squad currently looks like, with a reminder the Dolphins have an exception for guard Durval Queiroz Neto to give them 17 players in the group:”

    LB Vince Biegel
    DT Andrew Billings
    C Evan Boehm
    CB Javaris Davis
    RB Gerrid Doaks
    LB Mo Eifler
    WR Travis Fulgham
    RB Duke Johnson
    T Roderick Johnson
    DT Benito Jones
    LB Kobe Jones
    QB Jake Luton
    WR Kirk Merritt
    T Adam Pankey
    G Durval Queiroz Neto
    S Sheldrick Redwine
    T Kion Smith

  84. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    When do we get some throwback action again? Hasn’t it only been one time so far this year?

  85. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    WARNING: this isn’t for the faint of heart

    FUCK Zac Stacy! 😡

  86. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    After a google — Zac Stacy is still on the run, or at least hasn’t contacted authorities yet.

  87. CavalierKong's avatar CavalierKong says:

    Disgusting. Even worse than the Ray Rice video.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      He could have killed her with the amount of violence he threw her around with. What if she hit her head on the corner of a table and not the flat screen? She’d either be dead or suffering brain damage.

      He’s fucked and deservedly so.

  88. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I saw a video recently of our “Mount Rushmore of WRs”… didn’t like it. Who do you guys have as our best 4 WRs of all time?

  89. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Duper and Clayton have to be in there. Maybe Nat Moore. #4 is tough

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      Paul Warfield was undoubtedly one of our best, but over his mere 5 years as a Phin, I thought he’d put up better numbers.

      I hear ya on Nat Moore.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Warfiled played in era when we threw 20 or less times per game. He was considered one of the most talented WRs of his time. You can’t compare his stats to the modern era. In his prime if he played in today’s era he’d be top WR every year.

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        I agree with ya on Warfield, Tim. He makes my top-4 in Dolphins history.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        He was considered a Jerry Rice of his time.

  90. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I’m surprised at how little love OJ McDuffie and Chris Chambers had gotten on the video I’d watched.

  91. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    I’d go with the Marks Bros, Paul Warfield, and Nat Moore. Special mention to OJ McDuffie and Chris Chambers as our 5th WR. JMO

  92. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Paul Warfield was also a devastating blocker.

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      That’s something that’s VASTLY underrated… the ability to block as a WR… and it was a STAPLE of Hines Ward’s game. Stellar point, man!

      • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

        It’s rather incredible when one can flex a WR INSIDE to block, as the Stealers* had done with Hines Ward.

        Paul Warfield doesn’t get enough credit for his blocking, either.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Yes on Hines Ward. As gritty and as tough as they come.

  93. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Zac Stacy has popped back on the whole matter. Even if wondering what “naked truth” there can be that justifies the vid of him beating that woman up.

  94. mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

    mf13ss says:
    November 18, 2021 at 7:44 pm
    Like I said, he’d better have a VERY GOOD excuse. I’m talking about he may have prevented WW3, he stopped a killing from happening, or anything of the sort.

    FWIW, I do NOT see that forthcoming…
    —————–
    Now before ANYBODY jumps me about I said that the POS prevented WW3 (ya know, the folks who just LOVE to spin shit… ahem, Phelon), I didn’t say that.

    I was saying, who knows? We’ll see his rebuttal through the judicial system… if the streets don’t kill him first.

    I SAID, he’d better have a VERY GOOD excuse. And I’m the one who brought it to this blog, wanting his fucking head to begin with.

    Time shall reveal…

    • mf13ss's avatar mf13ss says:

      I shouldn’t have come out of the box with so much heat… but I can’t help it when it comes to men beating women. It ANGERS ME!!!

      I believe in justice… and the POS does deserve his day in court. We must have faith in the American justice system.

      • Krishna's avatar Krishna says:

        The evidence is clear as it’s on tape. There is no justification. If he has any friends, they should whoop his ass!

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      I watched the video there is no justification for violence in that situation

  95. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Warfield was the best WR we ever had. His numbers don’t show it because he played in a different era but was uncoverable

  96. ocalarob's avatar ocalarob says:

    Tim Knight says:
    November 18, 2021 at 6:38 pm
    Paul Warfield, Nat Moore, Mark Clayton and Mark Duper.
    ___________________________
    what about Brandon Marshall?

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