It’s appropriate that Ground Hog Day falls on the Monday after the Super Bowl. No matter which team has won, we’ve all seen this before. The NFL season is officially over and we have a long off season ahead of us. Here’s what we have to look forward to.
Free Agency…who stays, who goes? Who is out there that could make a difference on our roster?
Nick Fairley
Frank Gore
The Draft…all that young talent, some future Hall of Famers, some future busts. Who do we end up with?
Danny Shelton
Shaq Thompson
Coaching changes…what new faces will we see on the sideline? OTA’s, Mini camp, Training Camp, and Pre-season games. We can get a few glimpses of our team and speculate on the progression or regression we see.
Will this be another year where we see our shadow and endure more years of mediocrity or will we finally get to see a new day?
Finsmob Unleashed 
Ken
Oh believe me, I hate all he throwing from inside the 5 yard line and in short yardage situations we see in the NFL nowadays. But, that doesn’t change the fact that it is done a lot. It wasn’t like Seattle pulled some completely asinine play out of their playbook. They ran a play lots of teams run in that situation. It didn’t work. Just like the Lynch run they called the play before didn’t work(that nobody is questioning, btw). ultimately, I just don’t buy all the second guessing of play calls that fans do. It’s too easy.
Ok, I must agree…it’s required. That was the worst playcall in the history of football.
Oh yeah…and Tannehill is a future HOF QB! Lol
Later Ya bunch of haters.
It’s about time you got on board…..LOL.
Randy,
I don’t think this had anything to do with second guessing. I think it is more like this: everyone knew it was beast mode until he broke the plane, so Carroll had to show he was smarter than everyone else and try something risky, with very little time on the clock. I don’t call that second guessing, I call it arrogance. Gotta disagree with you here.
If they stopped him, you tip your hat. Now not only did you lose, you lost credibility in your locker room and your organization.
Randy says:
February 2, 2015 at 1:07 pm
I wonder how the courts decide whom to screw when two lesbians get divorced….must be the butch one.
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If i were the judge i wouldn’t screw the butch one…. 🙂 whts the point in that.
rock
by no means do i know but can tell you a client of mine went thru a divorce about 4 years ago. part of the calculation of the amount of alimony factored in what her ability to make a living was, whether she made it of not. so if your wife is a licensed nurse i would think the courts would factor in what her income possibility is when figuring alimony. at least that was how it worked in florida.
but what ever it is i wish you the best of luck, not andrew he sucks but ‘good’ luck
I am currently paying my full child support amount even though my oldest child graduated HS and left his mother’s home last August. When I requested a reduction, I discovered the law here in minnesota states that the child support order doesn’t change until the last child leaves the home….regardless of how many kids there are. So, even though my son dropped out of college, his mom disowned him and said he couldn’t come back to live with her, and he is now living with me, I’m still paying her to ostensibly care for him…which she’s not.
And why is this? Because a woman’s lobby convinced the lawmakers that this was “fair” and got the law changed….Even though the child support program directors in the State disagreed and recommended a different way of determining equitable child support. So, I will get to pay my ex for the cost of raising both my children….even though one now lives with me as an adult….until my daughter graduates in May 2016.
Fair? Nope. Is there a damn thing I can do about it legally? Nope! Bend over and take it with a smile. But hey…..my kids love me, so there’s that.
Thats one of the most fucked up laws i have ever heard.
To me the idea that the run play would or wouldnt be successful isnt as strong as the idea that the safest play would have been the run. I mean to be quite honest, they were so close, Wilson could have snapped the ball and stuck his arm across the plane, i mean they were like ont he half yard line.There were any number of safer plays that could be called than throwing right into the middle of malfunction junction with everyone crowded around the middle to stop what everyone thought would be a punch in.That was probably one of the lower percentage passes you could make given where on the field they were and the formation seeing.
Heading to Savannah this afternoon and then Charleston tomorrow overnight. Having a nice chill time, great food.
Oh yeah, SEA fucked up. Should have stuck with Lynch to victory. Fuck the Pats!!!!!
Did you get your pickles while you were there?
Ugh… We’re still running with that?
Lol do they still give Mike E shit about lending a hand?….long haul my friend long haul.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/page/lastcall-superbowlxlix/seattle-seahawks-last-call-memorable-moments-super-bowl-xlix-clayton-last-call
kicking a FG on 2nd down and losing by 1 was a better play then letting wilson pass the ball.
D, the pickle thing is ffr’s not mine. LOL
How’d you end up with it, should read back a few days ago they were talking about you and king pickle…..
Sorry King Poppa
Pete Carroll @PeteCarroll 5m5 minutes ago
This is really hard to take now but in the long run it will make us stronger. Our guys are so strong and our future is bright. #GoHawks #12s
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Lol i think he’d be better just staying quiet.
D,
No doubt. The only way you can get the order changed is if either of our incomes changed significantly. And, even funnier, my ex quit her good paying job a couple years after the divorce and took a lesser income because she knew she had an additional $800 a month coming in from me…and that increased the percentage I have to contribute.
Even the child support worker on our case apologized to me. She’s the one who told me the Counties had recommended a more equitable means of determining child support and were told by the lawmakers they were going another direction. The Counties know it’s bullshit, but they can’t do a thing about it. But hey….I don’t regret supporting my kids. It’s just money….and it’ll feel like I’m rich when I’m actually done paying….that is if they’re not both living with me by then! Lol
Sounds similar to what happened to my best friend. His wife became a Facebook ranger going off and banging any guy that was a Facebook “friend”. She schemed on the weekends with her parents and side penis while privately meeting w/ a lawyer. One day my buddy comes home to divorce papers, no family, and his life savings removed from their account. Oh yeah she decided to quit her job as a case worker for the state so she could live the dream off from him.
Good view point,
Eagles OLB Trent Cole is currently scheduled to count $11.625 million against the 2015 salary cap.
The Eagles can save $8.425 million by releasing Cole. The expectation is Philadelphia will move on from the 32-year-old. The Eagles were initially concerned about Cole’s ability to make the switch from 4-3 end to 3-4 stand-up edge rusher, but he pulled it off and received extremely high marks from Pro Football Focus the past two seasons. Cole registered 14.5 sacks between 2013-2014, but the Eagles seem poised to find a taller, rangier player to slot in opposite OLB Connor Barwin.
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Give them Jordan for a 2nd & 3rd round pick, and Brandon Graham 🙂
Why? A younger more talented player for an aging player?
Mychal Kendricks straight up trade for Jordan. Take it or leave it. Kelly loves his Oregon guys.
NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors 36s37 seconds ago
#Ravens Release DL Terrence Cody http://bit.ly/1L4VwQ0
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When you read Tannenbaum’s interview on the Fins website all of the things he talks about SOUNDS impressive from trying to get the players bodies in better physical shape so the injuries don’t happen like they’ve been to just proper nutrition but all of those things just sound good. You’ve got to make them work. We’ve been given a basketfull of different promises over the years and nothing has come of any of it.
Excuses like Misi has been injured or Jordan was injured and then suspended. All of this stuff doesn’t matter. Only thing that matters is they find the players who can play the game at a high level and stay healthy. If there’s players who can’t do that they need to go elsewhere.
Omar talks about how good the Pats are but then takes offense when you make a comment about a player needing to hit the road. Can’t have it both ways.
Well injuries and suspensions do matter. It’s part of the reality of the game. A high ankle sprain has nothing to do with nutrition and conditioning. Neither does failing a drug test. That’s individual responsibility.
My point is if a player can’t contribute to the team then it doesn’t do the team any good to have him on the roster. Yeah, Misi was injured but he’s injured every year. It’s not like you can say, “man, it’s too bad Misi was injured this year because he was having a good season.” He’s injured all of the time so it’s not like it’s a surprise.
Jordan’s been with the team two years and has done nothing. Now, it’s different if you’re talking about a Jordan Tripp but a #3 overall should have done something by now even with the suspension he had last season. He didn’t even show any promise. Nothing. Gee, even a tfl or two would have shown us something we could hang our hat on and say maybe he’s coming around but going into this season we still don’t know what we’ve got.
That’s just unacceptable no matter how you look at it.
Another thing you can’t have both ways is that when your answer to all problems is to cut players, you’re left with an ever decreasing pool of talent from which you can choose, and an infinitely less talented team then you started with. You’ve always been cut happy Pro-Lou, and to the point that you’ve blamed fans “acceptance of mediocrity” for the team failures. Sometimes you have to build on what you have and make POSITIVE changes instead of just negative changes, like cut this guy, fire that guy etc.
And, as Tim says, injuries and suspensions DO matter. Labeling them as excuses doesn’t change the fact that they affect game outcomes.
We’ve had a lot of the same guys on the team and we’ve gone nowhere so you look at the talent you’ve got and say, “why aren’t we doing better” and you answer the question by looking at the level of talent.
We have almost an entirely new offensive line vs the year before. Now, that’s positive change. We weren’t going to go anywhere with the same players we had there and I’d be surprised if we don’t have two NEW guards on the line this year. You’ve got to make changes to the roster. It’s the only way you’ll get better because you can’t just keep fielding the same old mix of good players with subpar players because you’ll lose the good guys because they’ll want to play elsewhere where they have a chance to compete.
I’m not saying injuries don’t matter. I’m saying when you have a player like Misi who’s injured every year and he, therefore, can’t contribute to the success of the team because of no consistency it’s time to look elsewhere and let Misi go do something else. Having a guy who is supposed to start on defense but can’t play a full season every year is a liability and it’s something that should be unacceptable.
We went from being the 26th ranked rushing offense in the league in 2013 to being the 12th ranked rushing offense in the league and we didn’t do it by fielding the same exact line we did the year before. We let some guys go and brought in new talent on the line; some of it veteran and we had a rookie RT do a better job than vets we had on the right side for years before him.
This is exactly what I’m talking about.
Yeah D, Tims not the pickle jar guy, he’s the lightly stained rubber fist guy
Have fun in Savannah, Tim. Go you pirate house for lunch/dinner, then go sit on the bench Forrest Gump sat on while telling his story to anyone who will listen. You could also go see the lady Chablis of you are so inclined…
Go to pirate house and anyone who would listen
Tim
We are know you went to savannah to do a pickle tour
Stop denying it
I always wanted to go to Savannah, ever since reading the book ‘Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil’ however many years ago. Loved the ‘Bird Girl’ statue on the cover of the book. Had one in my flower garden at my old house. The buyers asked for it to stay when we were selling, so don’t have it anymore. Funny thing is, we bought each other’s houses, closing was a nightmare and after moving into their house, all sorts of issues popped up not in the inspection. I felt like going back and stealing my Bird Girl but I never did. lol
Steal it back and replace it with that wandering mountain goat 😇
Lol…The driveway to the house was uphill and across the road was what we referred to as the ‘ravine’. One of my neighbors was walking past one evening not long after they had moved in and noticed the guys truck was wheels up in the ravine, must have not set his brake. So she goes to the door, rings the bell several times and knocks because she can hear a tv on inside and assumes they are home and would want to know their vehicle had ‘escaped’. He apparently answered the door with a not very pleasant greeting and I think she enjoyed telling him what happened. I know I enjoyed hearing about it. 🙂
LOL
It’s kinda cool, in a weird way. Similar to Charleston, but a lot more character, imo.
LOL….
@TMZ: #Breaking: Warren Sapp ARRESTED for soliciting prostitute http://t.co/OMGkoinBfb http://t.co/ssVnBdVuiE
Police tape all around the front of my building today. Went to get some packages and talked to the guy in receiving. A woman jumped from her balcony. He was tearing. Asked if he knew her (everyone knows him in the building). He said “yeah…..one classy lady.” Asked if she was older: “Yes and she told me she had some real serious health problems.”
God Bless.
Bummer ++Vibes.
Tough coming home to that.
Pro Lou,
I never advocate for making no changes on a 53. Change for growth and development is healthy. Change of the sake of change is not. Cutting/firing vindictively is not. Misi is a different conversation, if you want to move the mark and talk about him, let the record show, I never mentioned him, and don’t care to discuss him with you.
Heading to Savannah this afternoon and then Charleston tomorrow overnight. Having a nice chill time, great food.
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c if you can stay at a bed and breakfast home. They have a lot of old cool houses with rocking chairs under the porch
@ArmandoSalguero: Blog post. Patriot: Wallace issue a sign of mental weakness …
http://t.co/23e2vUi6y3
I don’t give a rats ass about what some Patriots player says about our team. They’re just playing Patriot Games.
LOL. I agree with the Pats player because he agrees with me😋. Willing to bet that this was Revis….He was annoyed of Wallace talking about how we should’ve scored 50pts that 1st game.
Is that like Reindeer Games, both of which are related, kinda..
@ThatGirlBco: #NFL offseason begins..Terrance Cody keeps alligators as pets, Manziel checked into rehab & Warren Sapp arrested for soliciting a prostitute
From this I’m taking it a gator fatally injured Cody’s dog.
@jamisonhensley: Cody faces animal cruelty charge involving a dog, animal abuse and neglect involving an alligator as well as a charge for drug possession
Try – It certainly is related.
http://office.worthytales.net/banned-budweiser-commercial-hilarious-every-office-needs/#
Don’t prostitutes know Sapp is a horrible tipper…she should have told him NO! 😉
My two cents to the conversation above Regarding cutting players in building a team And more specifically about Misi.
You build your team through the draft, Everyone knows that, So when you trap people you tend to want to keep them until you can find somebody better, You bring that person in and then you cut the expendable 1in my opinion.
Poem me C is not the most physically talented player
Koa Misi Not poem me C
anyway he is not the most physically gifted player. But he does everything the right way. His technique is very very good. I don’t believe in injury prone I think some people just have unlucky Years
the coaching staff said early in the year that when checking tape every time they wanted to show an example of the right way to do something it was Koa Misi doing it. So yeah they want to keep him until they can find an upgrade. But you only get to 3 playable draft picks for draft And you have a salary cap and free agency
Holy shit speech recognition mangled that one. You get the idea even if the wrong words are in there
Mason Foster has been dinged up a few times in the last 2 years, but I’d still take a chance on signing him to our LB corp. He’s a talent when healthy and he’s only 25.
I’m in transit for savannah, no pickle besides my own and he’s fine. LOL
Doesn’t look so good to me
Misi to me isn’t replaceable unless we did it through FA, and if we do that its goig to be at a cost higher than his, im for Misi even though i think he is only a stopgap until someone we draft next year takes over. His coast isnt so significant (2.7mil) that we should feel the need to cut him. We cant find start right away replacement for him for less than that. Misi also brings quality to the locker room, he is a disciplined player and he represents himself well. He is a good mentor for future players. Intangibles are worth something.
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Wallace to me IS replaceable at 2.5mil, because rookie receivers are coming in and giving his level of production straight out the gate. If we took a guy in the first in this draft, we get a guy capable of that, for less than 2.5mil. On top of that Wallace does not bring and actually is a negative in the intangible areas mentioned above, so to me that 2.5mil is really a bit bigger in reality. He will need to do a quick “about face” to salvage his value to the team.
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Hartline to me is worth keeping too,He falls in kinda same boat as Misi, with same intangibles. Only big thing with him is his cap savings at 3.1mil make it a little more tempting if for example we were going after someone really big in FA and HAD to have the extra space. I could only see cutting him is if there was a greater good for the team move that forced it.
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Alot of these guys are no-brainers. They are dead weight guys, offering little to our team but costing a lot. Im a very conservative minded guy when it comes to making roster moves, making FO or staff changes, he;ll even drafting, i don’t favor the trade ups because i like more picks over moving up a few spots for one person. I don’t say these things or cast off these players like refuse, i really weight it out and even with Wallace, i wouldn’t suggest these unless i thought there was a course of action where cutting them wouldn’t take the team in the right direction.
Forget you dont have to space paragraphs out with *’s here….
Hartline situation is gonna depend a lot on what Lazor can/wants to do with him, and not so much about what he coats or saves by dumping him.
He didn’t seem to have as much a part of this new offense last year, and if that is still the case moving forward then our beloved #82 is a goner.
^costs or saves^
I think today is the first day people can start cutting people, dont know if i expect it to busy this early, but who knows, some may want to clear up the roster and give those guys chances to start early negotiating with new teams.
The Dolphins can save $5.95M in cap space by designating Brian Hartline as a post-June 1 cut.
Doing so would leave behind $1.4M in dead money in 2015, the ramifications of a bloated five-year, $30.7M deal handed to Hartline in March of 2013. Perhaps the more logical move is to negotiate a pay-cut that puts him more in line with other No. 3 and 4 receivers around the league. It’s unclear if agent Drew Rosenhaus and his client are willing to accept that.
Wallace’s number is 6.9mil i just posted that below.
Ellerbe’s is almost 8.5 mil if after June 1 as well.
Glad I didn’t have to deal with the snow and cold back home, 50-60 here sunshine. My poor daughter. LOL
Just looked and Wallace cut post June 1 saves 6.9mil,
Sapp failed negotiating with Hookers 101:
@miagarciafox10: POLICE: Warren Sapp met 2 women at Renaissance hotel bar, took them up to room, had fight over money to be paid, women called front desk
Told ya he’s a cheapskate….dumbass.
He stiffs (pun intended) waitresses all the time. Recently at an eatery in Tampa with his buddies, he wrote zero tip on a large tab and it made local news.
Well don’t that make him stupid. You might stiff (not that I would)…….but sure as F you are the stupidest ass in the world if you do it and you have a name that could hit the papers.
Yep, I remember that.
There has to be more to it than that. No way do they call the front desk over money. Was it physical?
Yeah, he’s looking at assault charges as well. Career suicide….SMH
He is charming, but then we are talking about a HOF-type player with a long career who also declared bankruptcy not long after he retired and only got a 2nd chance cause that charm made him a talking head. At least one cylinder ain’t firing.
After looking at teh post June 1 designation cuts, we have a few guys like Wheeler (who doesnt save us much if cut before) that save a lot cut after june 1. Wheeler may still be out the door, his number is like 3mil saved after june 1.
Yup, I’ve seen that before and someone here bashed me saying Wheeler stays cause of no savings to cut him.
Regardless if before or after June 1st, if a team has no use for a guy anymore they may just get rid of his ass ASAP and not worry about it.
Aww…who “bashed” you? Did it hurt? LOL…
Nope, I got alligator hide.
One of the stars of “Power Rangers Samurai” has been arrested for stabbing his roommate to death with a sword … TMZ has learned.
Ricardo Medina Jr. was busted Saturday afternoon by L.A. County Sheriff’s deputies in Palmdale, CA … after a fight broke out between himself and the roommate … Joshua Sutter.
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Got a little into his role…
I guess you could say the ‘Cuts’ have already begun.
LOL
Wheeler at a savings of 200k would stay for sure, so i get why someone would disagree, im probably one of the ones that did, but i dont think i bashed ya lol. In fact im pretty sure of it because i thought you were on the i guess we wind up keeping him even though i really really want to cut him side that i was on.
Another date coming up thats going to be interesting this year is 16th when franchise tags have to be applied. Dont think it means shit to us directly, but who teams dont tag will definitely limit/or open opportunities for us in FA.
Agreed, i doubt we franchise anyone…Well maybe Ross wants to franchise Joe…lol
But I don’t see any of our players being tagged.
Then we can see who is left around the league as UFA’s for us.
I’m really wanting a DT & G in FA first and foremost.
Absolutely, i feel those are musts in FA. Williams in FA would work for me, though i prefer Knighton. Williams growing on me after playing as the Cards in Madden, Williams was a flipping sack machine lol. JK he does look like a good fit for us.
stangerx says:
February 2, 2015 at 4:58 pm
He is charming, but then we are talking about a HOF-type player with a long career who also declared bankruptcy not long after he retired and only got a 2nd chance cause that charm made him a talking head. At least one cylinder ain’t firing.
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How many cylinders ya think he is working with, im thinking 2 tops lol.
Said one is misfiring…….clearly that is true. But at least enough are firing that he comes off good on the tube. Overall with this — clearly not a fully functioning unit. So much stupidity in this latest event. Whatever the dispute was……he would have gladly paid them a hundred times more the next day to make it go away.
Guess it depends on whether he has a V4, 6 or 8 going. 🙂
In savannah, have a great day folks.
Enjoy bud.
Nice place to be TIm….enjoy.
You doing the PC move on Paula Deen’s place?
A lot of people thinking this pick really messes with Wilson, im not thinking it will, that dude is cool as hell, almost impossible to rattle. Tanny was like that his first year but seemed to get a little more rattled the more sacks he took. Tanny and Wilson both though are cool cats and generally bounce back from mistakes. I think this is something Wilson probably forgot about not more than a little bit after it happened. He probably thought a lot about losing the Superbowl, who wouldnt, but that one play isnt going to haunt him IMO.
Helps having won the year before…lol
I’m still fuming over here over yesterday’s final Seattle play.
Epic choke or epic fix, take your pick.
A conspiracy on par with Goldman Sachs (embedding former exec into top financial positions in governments around the world to develop policy that protects Goldman Sach investments globally).
The dark seeds planted in Pete Carroll’s head from his NE days runs deeper than Pioli (who traded for Matt Cassell giving NE the 34th overall pick) it seems.
4 rings with big * next to all of them IMO.
F NE and the great cheat machine.
The NE Assterisks *
D,
If anything i think it teaches Wilson to trust his players more.
I don’t think this game could ruin him any more than the GB game did at one point.
jahndoh says:
February 2, 2015 at 2:57 pm
Pro Lou,
I never advocate for making no changes on a 53. Change for growth and development is healthy. Change of the sake of change is not. Cutting/firing vindictively is not. Misi is a different conversation, if you want to move the mark and talk about him, let the record show, I never mentioned him, and don’t care to discuss him with you.
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I don’t think letting go of players who have been with the team for 4 or 5 years who haven’t done much with the team is cutting vindictively. I’m all about making the team better and looking at it from the perspective that when you’ve got a mediocre team that has the record this team has over the past 6 years there’s definite room for improvement rather than staying with the status quo.
We’ve got some talent on the roster but there’s players who’ve outworn their welcome and need to go play elsewhere. Maybe it’s a scheme fit or a fit in general but you can’t just keep players either just for the sake of keeping players.
The question has to be how long do you keep someone around and hope they start to produce for the team until you finally say you can’t keep them around anymore? How much do you invest in a player before you realize it just isn’t going to work out?
I mean, you can look at players like Fox, Colledge and Finnegan and maybe the team won’t invest anymore in them either because it feels there are better options. It’s not about being vindictive. If any of us were the GM or owner of this team we’d be taking a long, hard look at why the team hasn’t been able to get to the playoffs and compete on a consistent basis whether it be the coaches, players or a combination of both.
With Hickey here, I’m betting we’re going to see some more personnel changes on the roster this year just like last season and I’ll be we see a number of guys from the 2014 roster gone.
I completely agree that Hickey is going to Reshape the roster in His image. But I think while he’s doing it he will keep players like me see. Hopefully he builds And doesn’t just tear down like past GMs Have done. I cannot name the amount of players that I have seen go on to be successful after being a dolphin Because some gm came in And wanted to go a different direction Or wanted his guys
Call it what you will, but a lot of what I’ve seen around here regarding players and execs can only be described as vindictive.
I’m not saying, nor would I say, that every time someone wants someone cut or fired it’s vindictive, but a LOT of the time it is, and it’s never a complete solution, it’s just spitballing. Because that same person (myself included) will have a 50% chance (or less) at identifying a suitable upgrade. “Suh is an upgrade” is about as reliable as “Marshall is an upgrade” afaic.
Misi’s been your whipping boy for years. Tannehill too until this season when you couldn’t fly in the face of results any longer, so with a few players, I’m sorry but I think you’ve got some bias to overcome. Like D, I don’t see a viable Misi upgrade out there for the money. Is he “injury prone” well, ironically I had this discussion a couple days ago…is Albert injury prone? I kind of think so, but I wouldn’t cut him either.
D
i agree with you that the pick doesnt effect wilsons psyche. however, i think it finally puts to bed, well this game and the pack game that he is some elite qb. if he played on a team with an average rb and defense they wouldnt win cause of him. it is clear his job is to not lose and he almost did that against GB and he did do it against the cheats. hell if GB recoved an onsides kick right into that guys hand then GB wins that game. wilson may still be calm and cool but he will be doing it as an average qb at best
I disagree with the Wilson, “Psyche” thing, but that’s gonna be hard to quantify. I personally think he was damaged goods after the NFC Championship game performance, and that look on his face after he threw the pick yesterday, was about as shellshocked as any person I’ve ever seen.
Thus the reason I think Carroll f’d up twice with that playcall. Wilson could’ve easily overcome the NFC Championship game with a Superbowl ring, but now he’s a young kid with a lot of time to THINK and bouncing back is going to be very difficult. Maybe he will, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t dent his psyche a good bit.
Al,
That play was no fix. Nobody acts that well. The difference between a win and a loss there is a hair’s width, and if the “fix” was so “epic” it wouldn’t have been that close.
You’re hangin’ with the paranoia crowd too much. I think the league has it’s favorites, and they get preferential treatment, but there’s no way that game was scripted like that. Come on. How many players who hate the league front office would have to be in on it? That alone will tell you it wasn’t “fixed”.
I saw an evenly matched game that came down to an incredible bang-bang play. I didn’t see any preferential treatement for either team from the refs yesterday. I didn’t watch it like I would a fins game, but I think that game was an even playing field, and shows how closely matched two teams can be in this league.
Silly Tim says:
February 2, 2015 at 5:10 pm
In savannah, have a great day folks.
yes, being in savannah does make for a great day. but i am sure you meant the city.
Regarding Wheeler’s contract, the Fins cap situation, and June 1st cut designation….
A little background on June 1st assignments from overthecap.com:
“The real purpose of the June 1 designation option is to benefit teams that have poor salary cap situations and need to either create space for rookie signings over the summer months or to cut players from the roster whose dead money charges are greater than their charge to remain on the team. In recent years this would be teams like the Dallas Cowboys and Oakland Raiders who have entered into some overpriced contracts for multiple players leaving them tight against the cap every season. The acceleration from one of these underperforming players would put the team over the cap or close enough to it to make it difficult to sign the draft class. Often waiting until June 1 is not an option because of offseason bonus money that would be due to the player if he is on the roster so the only option is to designate him a June 1 cut. So the rule gives the team the ability to avoid paying the player a bloated salary while also avoiding more cap problems. But by no means is it going to be a way to spend more money in the early stages of free agency and it does nothing to improve a teams cap position in March.”
Each team can assign up to 2 players to be placed as a June 1st cut.
The June 1st designation just changes the allocation of remaining signing bonus into 2 cap years instead of all in the current cap year.
It allows teams to avoid accelerating all unearned prorated signing bonus (non-cash situation; pure accounting) into the current year and instead take just the charge of the current yearly allocation (1.4 mill per year for 5 years in Wheeler’s example); deferring the remainder (1.4 x 2 in Wheeler’s example) into the 2016 cap.
Wheeler’s dead money if cut before June 1st is $1.4 mill x 3 years = $4.2 mill; cut on June 1st his cap hit is just $1.4 for 2015 cap then $1.4 x 2 years = 2.8 mill for 2016.
Wheeler was guaranteed 13 mill in his contract…6 mill for base salary in 2013-14 and 7 mill in signing bonus money (for accounting purposes, it was spread out or prorated over 5 cap years. The actual 7 mill was paid out immediately when the contract was signed as it is for all players.
LOL..are you the infamous “basher”? 🙂
June 1 shouldn’t really be on the public’s mind IMHO. It’s kick the can. Kinda like what congress does with Social Security and Medicare every term. It just moves the problem from one year to the next. In a pinch, sure, you use it. But it’s not a tool to be used for signing other big FA contracts….not if a front office is doing it wisely…imho.
Think Wheeler is pretty much in the Wallace category. Now Ellerbe……different subject.
Jahn,
LOL.
I’m not too good at this whole satire thing 😦
LOL..I’m also kinda clueless when it comes to reading between the lines. I still like calling them the Cheatriots…they are documented cheaters of course, who am I to argue against that!
D
Seems to me that you’re only looking at savings, and not dead money and cap hit. Just because you can save 2.5M by cutting Wallace, you LOSE the $9.6M in dead money , which HARDLY makes the 2.5 you save saving anything at all! Please show all the facts!
Jahn,
Regarding Wheeler, i just don’t see much value in cutting him this season. Though not ideal IMO, He’s an established starter in this league and the team has no trustworthy backups to fill his void. If you go to market, the team will still have to pay 2-3 million in whatever relief they get for 2015 to sign any half decent OLB.
I think the whole Fins in cap trouble crap is overrated because people are writing these things in the context of the current cap projection (138-142). Everyone knows the cap is going to be greater come end of Feb / early March when the NFL tallies up all 2014 year revenues. Reports in November talked numbers as high as 155-160 but if last year is any indication it will be at least 8-10 million higher than the 140 average projection talk. The cap last year (2014 season) was projected by the NFL in 2013 to be $123 mill; league announced in March of 2014 that it would be set to $133 million (+10 mill up from projection). By all accounts, this appears to be a great revenue year so I’m expecting 152 or higher.
I think it was a horrible play call. Look at the TD Edelman caught, how wide open he was. If you’re going to throw into the end zone, why throw into a crowd? If the receiver made a quick move like Edelman did, and was open, that’s one thing. Regardless, I thought they should have handed it off to Lynch who likely would have won the game right there.
Mike E,
Savings is only relevant in terms of accounting for the cap (not in actual $ payouts by the owner to players). The signing bonus money is paid out immediately in full amount by all teams to players signing contracts (Wallace got all of his signing bonus money already). The rest of it is paid out in base salary during the first 2 playing seasons.
OK, so Wallace counts $12M against the cap if we cut him before June, and $9.6 after June 1st. I’d hardly call that a “savings”
i am not the player guru you guys are. hell i am just here to make a fool of myself. but what is it with cutting wallace? what is the purpose? isnt he one of if not the best wr on the team? he is paid, already has a huge cap hit, so what is to gain buy cutting him? it just means another place to start over.
It makes no sense from a dollars and sense view. Only reason to do it is if he just has to go. Next year…….then it will be different.
Wheeler, at least monetarily, doe not make sense to cut.
stang
but why would he ‘have to go’? why? cause of the last game of the season. hell who hadnt given up?
For whatever reason, he went out at halftime. Not just lack of effort, but he got yanked supposedly for refusing to play. Even if it was a spat with Philbin…….he still wasn’t there. So if the blood is bad enough, might be we just can’t keep him.
WARREN (I’m A) SAPP was arrested early today in Phoenix for soliciting a prostitute and, later, assaulting 2 female police officers. –This is yet ANOTHER episode in the life of a man WHO WAS BOOED IN HIS HOME STADIUM when he was placed in the Buccaneers Ring of Fame the night the Bucs hosted the Dolphins two years ago. –SAPP, who was forced to file for bankruptcy two years ago, has a long history of anti-social behavior and, allegedly, incidents of abusing women physically. –He finaly landed a job at the NFL Network for $500,000 a year, ONLY TO BE FIRED FROM THAT JOB TODAY!!
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i’VE BELIEVED that some of the “Bad Boys” who played for the U. of Miami in the ’80’s and ’90’s were unfairly criticized for their brash behavior. But NOT in the case of SAPP. –This guy deserves serious jail time. And it’s my guess that’s just what he’ll get from some judge in Arizona!
Tell us how you really feel OD 😛
OD — don’t know enough to say he should get lock down time, but do know enough to know he is criminally stupid. How do we even know about this? It is a step beyond the guys who get a DUI driving their Bentleys after a night out partying. Plan the frick ahead.
I know at least one waiter who packs a gun just in case he has another “meeting” with Warren Sapp. I’m truly amazed at how unpopular he is in the greater Tampa area.
Now that is some serious inside scoop. He seems so affable on TV. Always sorta though about him like an NFL Barkley….but then he’s got in some stuff too.
Fuck Wallace that💩
He’s a pretty good poop though, especially if you use his talents properly
He’s playing WR not full back. He needs to quit being a Whiney bitch.
Mike E,
I’m not sure you’re understanding the Wallace cap implications properly. Dead money is just an accounting measure. Quite simply, the cap savings by cutting Wallace Pre-June 1 is 2.5Million, cutting him POST June 1 is 6.9Million (although the difference will be made up in subsequent years). There is no scenario where CUTTING Wallace= LOSING cap space. We can only remain where projected (by keeping him) or GAIN cap space by cutting him. I personally don’t have an opinion. If the coaches and Tannehill and the team feel he makes them better as a group, keep him. If not, cut him and don’t look back. They can make up his production easily IMHO by getting a young burner and spreading his other production to the veterans we already have on this team. Everyone talks about Hartline, but his production this year was GIVEN to Wallace. It can be given back.
I know you’ll say no one can give us 10 TDs, but if Hartline gives us 4, the Other 6 can easily be distributed to Landry, Clay, Tannehill (he can easily add a couple more TDs with his feet), Miller, and one or two other guys.
I think we need to keep players who can put points on the board. I wasn’t a fan of signing Wallace but the one thing I did like about him is that he can get in the end zone. This team upped it’s scoring this past year, but we need to find a way to increase it a little more. I’m not sure that happens by getting rid of your top scorer on offense. I’d prefer to find a big WR who can draw coverage, so Wallace can exploit single coverage w/o a safety over the top. It would make him…and our offense….even more dynamic. I know….easier said than done.
Jahn – If he plays, $12M counts against the cap. If we cut him before June 1st, he counts as $12M against the cap. If we cut him after June 1st, we save $2.5M of that $12M. Is that not correct?
I’m not following you. It’s really easy math. What is our cap situation if we keep him? If we cut him Pre-June1, or Post June 1.
Answer: Projected cap space is unchanged if we keep him. There’s 2.5 million MORE cap space if we cut him pre-June1 and 6.9Million MORE cap space (for 2015) if we cut him POST June 1. I don’t advocate that though for well discussed reasons.
I think you’re mixing the numbers around too much. It’s really simple. Cut him and we will have MORE cap space in 2015 then if we keep him.
Stanger, I dont’ see Wheeler and Wallace in the same camp at all. One of them produces, the other doesn’t. But the one who produces also gives headaches, and can save you more cap space by cutting him. The only way you save any cap space by cutting Wheeler is to designate him post June 1st, then you save 3M, but he’ll still have dead money vs. the cap in 2016 as well.
I think they are similar this way though: Both are vulnerable. For different reasons, but I wouldn’t be buying any extra S. FL property this spring if I were either of them.
Jahn — just talking contract. Makes no fiscal sense to cut either.
It does though. How does SAVING cap space not make fiscal sense? Production is an entirely different thing.
randy
didnt you mean to add that wallace can exploit single coverage if the fins get a half way decent qb to get him the ball
Jahn,
I’m not sure it’s as simple as just spreading those TDs around to other guys. some guys simply have a knack for getting in the end zone. Wallace has done it, basically, his whole career. I like Hartline, but he has never shown he can score a lot…and he has been targeted plenty over his career. i’m not sold on keeping Wallace, but I don’t think you just replace his production. It sounds nice, but I don’t think it’s that simple. I also don’t think Clay’s slip in production was because of an injury. I think teams learned how to contain him somewhat once he showed he can make plays. Teams will continue to focus on him….especially if a guy like Wallace isn’t on the team.
I think I’ll throw out the numbers to be as clear as possible.
Wallace’s Cap number for 2015 is 12.1 Million
If he were cut before June 1st, he will SAVE us 2.5 Million in cap space (we save the 12.1, but get charged 9.6 in “dead cap space”, net 2.5Million in cap savings.
If he’s designated Post June 1, we save the 12.1M, but only get charged 5.2Million in dead cap space, with another dead cap charge in 2016.
I may be misunderstanding you Mike. Apologies if so. If I were to cut him, (again, it’s not up to me and I have no opinion because it’s such a tough case) I would not advocate doing it Post June 1, because the cap savings difference (4.4M) will affect the 2016 cap as well. I’d just bite the bullet.
I’ve always felt if they can repair the relationships, I’d like to see him remain a fin.
JAHN; GOOD organizations figure out a way to get the most out of a given player. –BAD organizations don’t.
ffr,
I’m not talking about Tannehill. People around here are just insane about him and what he does. Lol
Randy,
I admit it’s easy for me to just say spread the production around, but I remember actually having this discussion with Omar when we lost both Taylor and Porter (I think it was) in the same offseason. He was all worried about how we’d make up for 20 sacks. The next year we actually made up for all 20 of them and then some.
But I admit, it’s easy to assume it can be done, but it’s also not a sure thing Wallace gets 10TDs or more next season. It was, afterall, his best TD output of his career. This is where I worry about his head and it getting in the way of the team. Because his production wasn’t as glamorous as he wanted he quits on the team in week 17? That’s pretty shallow right there.
I definitely and strongly disagree about the reason for Clay’s production slip. I think it’s incredibly obvious it was because of his injury. By late in the season he started to look like his old self.
JMHO of course.
TOTALLY agree with you re: Clay. –He’s one guy the front office needs to reward.
I’d have to agree with that. Clay’s production slipped a little and you’d have to put it on his injury because defenses really didn’t shut him down completely. Hartline, on the other hand, stunk it up last season. You have to wonder the reason. Couldn’t get open or what? Landry outperformed every other receiver except for Wallace.
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This may help a little bit. When the blue number exceeds the red number, the result of cutting the player= extra cap space. When the red number is bigger then the blue number, cutting a player=Less cap space.
http://tinypic.com/r/91atc5/8
Doh! Hoping it would post as an image, lets try again:
PS, credit where it’s due, I got that image from Overthecap.com, but annotated it myself.
Hardly comparing apples to apples when talking Misi vs Albert. Has Albert had injury issues? Yeah, you can definitely say that but the difference is during the time Albert is in the lineup he’s making a significant contribution to the success of the team whereas Misi has not and has never made that kind of contribution. Misi is a backup at best and for what we’ve got invested in him that has never materialized we should have looked elsewhere long ago. Maybe he is my whipping boy but I can’t ignore the fact the guy was taken early in the 2nd rd and hasn’t done shit for this team since he’s been there. That’s exactly the reason why I’m beginning to jump on Jordan as well. He’s a #3 overall and this is the season he needs to make a huge jump because, if he doesn’t, he could end up being another wasted pick.
As far as other leaving here and going on to be successful elsewhere that was true for awhile but take a look at the number of players this team has drafted that are no longer here and have gone on to do NOTHING with anyone. What about all of the players we could have had in the draft but passed over and have gone on to be successful with other teams? Doesn’t THAT bother anyone? I sat here at the beginning of the season being positive about the o-line, d-line, db’s, rb’s, wr’s, etc saying how deep we would be at those positions based on what we brought in and we end up 8-8 again. I know, it was injuries. But, the d-line stayed in tact during the season and Jenkins actually played very well and we got shredded in the run game. It was the db’s that had the injuries.
Yeah, we need to build on things and be positive about the way we do things from a team perspective but even some of the players. like Wake or Odrick, have said it’s addition thru subtraction or time to trim the fat.
I’ve been saying it for at least 4 years now this team isn’t going to do anything as long as it keeps players around who contribute little to it’s success and every year we watch these players make the team and the team does nothing. But, I’m being vindictive.
Here’s my list of guys that need to go:
Wilson
Trusnik
Misi
Colledge
DT3
Matthews
Stanford
Gillislee
Garner was on my list but he appears to no longer be with the team. The list has grown smaller since last season but, nonetheless, we need to find people to replace every one of them.
This is why I don’t want to talk Misi with you. You’re not open minded.
“whereas Misi has not and has never made that kind of contribution.”
Several of those players have been valuable contributors as backups. No team is going to staff 53 NFL level starters. Guys like Stanford might be the guy who gets a game winning superbowl interception for you (or Michael Thomas perhaps).
Thomas may contribute as a backup but Stanford is like a deer in the headlights when he’s out there.
randy
i hear you there. people get crazy talking about tanny. i mean it isnt like he plays on the oline and deserves all the attention. lol
But he is responsible for most of the sacks you know…:-P (just BB Randy!)
Jahn,
Clay himself said his issues weren’t related to injury. Maybe he was lying. I saw teams play him differently late in 2013 and last year. I’m not sure how that can be discounted as a possible contributing factor.
I thought you never believe what coaches and players have to say…lol…double standard much.
I was very forthcoming with the JMHO, but if you want to get nasty and condescending well, we’ve been down that road.
IF MY production as a player resulted from an injured knee or ankle, I’m SURE I’d tell everybody my ankle/knee is far less than 100 per cent. Ya, right I would!! –NOBODY targets specific areas of a player who is injured.
this is where it’s on Lazor to do something to be creative in order to get him the ball. Clay is a versatile guy and is definitely a good weapon to have on offense. I think part of it was Tannehill learning the new offense as well. 2nd year in the offense should be better and he should be able to make the reads easier and spread the ball around more.
Scouting Report: DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville
http://ngscsports.com/2015/02/02/scouting-report-devante-parker-wr-louisville/
ffr,
Stop trying to get me in trouble. I’m being good.
OK, Warren. –I’m out for tonight.
Jahn,
How is that nasty and condescending? I simply said Clay himself said his health wasn’t an issue. I didn’t say it. He did.
I’m gonna take my leave…I just have no desire to partake in this sorta thing. It’s tiresome. No hard feelings….just not interested in chatting when it turns this direction. Not overreacting…just chose not to spend my time in that fashion. Peace, Jahn.
“maybe he was lying”.
I guess that wasn’t condescending at all though right? LOL…don’t bother with the denial. I’m not buying it anyway. See ya.
And, for the record, I have always been a Clay supporter. I wasn’t trying to rip the kid.
Nobody thought you were.
Maybe on Stanford, Pro-Lou, I’m not going to bat to try and defend backup players to you though, I’m just saying that you need them on any football team, and you can’t automatically assume you can just cut and voila, guaranteed improvement when their replacement rolls into town. If you can do it, you’re better then 100% of the NFL talent scouts who get paid for a living.
Cheers OD, glad to see we’re of the same mind with Clay.
Wallace, meh, I think I could say “good organizations know when to cut their losses” (Patriots with Randy Moss, Seahawks with Percy Harvin) and it’d be just as true. Guy gave up on the team (other players observations, not mine) in week 17. That’s a pretty grave sin in my book. But I still feel it’s as simple as: Do the coaches, Tannehill and players feel like the relationship is repairable? If so, he’s certainly talented, and I’d welcome him here.
Q Ryan – Some guy named Randy on a blog said you BLOW CHUNKS
A Well lets see
I make millions
I TAP this
What was the question again?
😉
JBB Randy
Ryan needs to spend a little more time in the sun with Lauren
LOL…
Here’s another example of what I’m talking about with players who are injured. Gillislee had 6 rushes for 21 yds in one game in 2013 and hasn’t done anything since. I know, he was injured in 2014. But, we’re supposed to keep the guy around this year and not worry about trying to find anyone to replace him because he was injured and that’s why he didn’t have any production.
That’s the kind of mentality this team has had for too long. I’m hoping the mentality isn’t there anymore with Hickey at the helm.
Contrast that to udfa Damian Williams who has 36 rushes for 122yds and 21 receptions for 187 yds and 1 td plus his impact on st’s with ff’s and 5 kickoff returns for 102 yds. Now, that’s contribution made and it’s made from an udfa.
Now, back to my whipping boy. Jenkins had 110 tackles last season with 2 ff and 3.5 sacks. 110 tackles is 42% of Misi’s entire production since he’s been with the team and he’s been with the team 5 years. Jenkins wasn’t even a starter last season and he’s a 4th rd draft pick. So, for those who say we can’t replace Misi I’d say that there’s a much better chance of finding a guy in the 3rd or 4th rd of this year’s draft who can play MLB better than Misi can.
That’s right. MLB; Major League Baseball!
Lou
Do any of those guys really save us much salary cap room
Maybe Misi…
You can’t equate salary cap with success. It’s about the talent that’s on the team. It’s not about saying, “well, if we let that guy walk it really doesn’t save us much space under the cap so we may as well keep him even though he’s not doing much to make us better.”
I just want to get better so whether the guy is making millions or thousands doesn’t matter to me. It’s what he brings to the table that matters. How much will he help the team.
Ireland made too many mistakes in the past and we’re still paying for it with the cap situation we’re looking at this year but I think you can find players who you can pay as much or less in some situations who will help your team win because they are better players.
Jahn
I suspect The coaches and Qb aren’t holding grudges against Wallace
I think they are over the final game
But they want him to care
At the end of the day I think it’s a business decision
Namely will some one give up good value for Wallace
Lou, I dont’ deny that a team needs an attitude of constant improvement, but where we disagree is you seem to think the team hasn’t tried to improve year over year, and I just don’t think that’s the case. Every season there will be players replaced, some of those will turn out to be good decisions, some won’t. But until you’re talking very specifically about WHO replaces WHOM (not sure which was proper diction, so I used both), it just comes off as a hit list. Here’s the guys I ax.
You don’t get better MERELY by axing players. So talk to me about who you replace with whom, and I’m all game to discuss in. In some of those cases I’ll agree, others I won’t, but it’d be interesting anyway.
Definitely will be interesting. lol
Piggy,
I think we’ll see. I don’t know if they’re past it or not. Pretty serious incident IMHO.
I’m going on record with this prediction, he won’t be traded. I could be wrong, but that’s my prediction. Troubled, with a 14M price tag in 2016 and 2017. I don’t know who has the cap space and would still give up compensation for him.
If he’s cut, it’s about his attitude IMHO, so we’ll see what happens. I would not saddle Tannehill with his attitude for another year unless Tannehill BELIEVES with all his heart, that Wallace makes him better. It’s time to get behind our QB, and allow him to lead. He’s going to be the biggest contract on the team soon enough. We’re all in as soon as that contract gets signed. Gonna be interesting!
Lou, it’s like you’re cutting to the 53 before free agency even starts. You DO know we have to field 90 players at camp right? You don’t cut players before camp, unless they are camp churnzone, that means 80th-90th best player on the roster. You’re doing it backwards. Replace guys first THEN cut them. Only money can dictate anything else.
It’s not what I was getting at. More than anything I’m just saying that these guys need to be replaced and maybe you can argue it’s easier said than done but you’ve got teams who excel at finding talent and others who don’t. I think some are very good at it and some aren’t so good at it but then I think there are teams who are just complacent and think they have the talent on their team and there’s no reason to continue to look.
That’s where I think this team was stuck at with Ireland at the helm. I DON’T think that’s the case with Hickey because I don’t see him resting on his laurels and I don’t believe that at least half of the guys I mentioned earlier will be with the team this season.
Shamiel Gary is a perfect example of the type of guy who can steal a spot from someone.
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100% agreed, and of course Miko uses that all the time.
I gotcha Pro-Lou. Makes sense. From my perspective you were just offering a hitlist. But I get where you’re coming from conceptually, even if on certain players (like Trusnik and Misi (I’m baffled on Trusnik to be honest, he’d be one of my priority re-signings, not that I’d give him big money, but Belichick would freakin LOVE that guy)) we might disagree. I get your point.
If anything, I’m encouraged by what I see on the roster in guys like A. Johnson, Fede, Aikens and some others as far as depth goes. We still have some to go to get there depth-wise, especially at LB and o-line but it can be done. I think we’re moving in the right direction. Not there yet but moving forward. Might not be this year either. maybe next year we’ll have enough of the pieces to challenge more consistently. Hopefully.
I don’t see anyone currently on the Fins roster who can unseat Trusnik, even Tripp, but there’s some guys I see late or udfa’s that could challenge him for his spot if we were to bring them in to camp.
I know injuries possibly had something to do with keeping us out of the playoffs but we’re still not there yet. Some of it is youth like with Tannehill, Taylor and maybe Jordan and some of it is talent. I don’t envy Hickey.
Well in a way he’s blessed. At least he’s not shopping for a QB in this years’ draft!
Just curious, was Wheeler on your list? That’s a guy who I think fits your description. We can do better then that IMHO. He’s pretty good going downhill, but it’s more then offset by his inability to backpedal, cover and tackle in space.
Wheeler isn’t a guy I have a lot of faith in and just like with all of the players on my list he’s one that we could use an upgrade to and just like all of the guys on my list I know it’s not going to happen with all of them because NOBODY is that good at picking talent and I know I have to be patient and realistic. It’s just that if we had started making the changes 3 or 4 years ago under the Ire man maybe we would be further along. The guy was just horrible at picking offensive linemen.
Jahn,
yeah, thank God he doesn’t have to pick a qb this year. Mcleod Bethel Thompson would be starting. lol
LOL!