FU Ground Hog Day

groundhog day

It’s appropriate that Ground Hog Day falls on the Monday after the Super Bowl. No matter which team has won, we’ve all seen this before. The NFL season is officially over and we have a long off season ahead of us. Here’s what we have to look forward to.

Free Agency…who stays, who goes? Who is out there that could make a difference on our roster?

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Nick Fairley

Frank Gore

The Draft…all that young talent, some future Hall of Famers, some future busts. Who do we end up with?

Danny Shelton

Shaq Thompson

Coaching changes…what new faces will we see on the sideline? OTA’s, Mini camp, Training Camp, and Pre-season games. We can get a few glimpses of our team and speculate on the progression or regression we see.

Ifo- Walford1

Will this be another year where we see our shadow and endure more years of mediocrity or will we finally get to see a new day?

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388 Responses to FU Ground Hog Day

  1. Try Pod says:

    Tired.

  2. Rockphin says:

    First?
    What a fucking horrible ending to the game. What an incredible highlight reel catch to get them in scoring position. All they had to do was handed off to Marshon Lynch. Two tries to get one yard. You don’t think beastmode would have gotten in? I am sick. I am disgusted seeing the cheaters hoist another trophy

  3. Rockphin says:

    I am severely depressed today. My wife and I had the “final” talk yesterday and determined that there is no way to salvage our marriage. The Patriots won. Football is over And we are entering the log off season drought and will have to listen about the Patriot Way for the next month. Everything is just fucking horrible

  4. Rockphin says:

    I don’t think I can make myself get up and go to work today.

  5. wyoming85 says:

    Rock
    I’m sorry to hear that Brother!
    I usually go for a ride in the country and set on my tailgate for awhile!
    I hope you get some piece soon!

  6. Rockphin says:

    Thanks Wyoming. I don’t know what to do. Basically getting reset at 46 years old. I am so tired.

  7. Brian in NY says:

    Rock,
    After your understandable period of mourning, you need to follow a piece of advice I heard from someone I met recently and “GET THE FUCK UP!!!!”

  8. dbolt48 says:

    Brian,
    You definitely need to try making that pizza. Was one of the best I’ve ever had!

  9. convict says:

    Well that sucked.

  10. convict says:

    About 5 months ago we were talking about how the Pats were done, and we were going to be competing for the divisional championship. LOL. Just goes to show the importance of learning to win in December and January. September wins don’t mean shit.

    • dbolt48 says:

      Wins in September are still important, but you have to improve throughout the entire season. Coaching and execution needs to evolve w/ as the season moves forward.

  11. sixthree0ne says:

    I don’t know what was worse, having to watch two cheaters play in the SB, listening to the cheaters complain about being interrogated about cheating and act like they’re saints, or the halftime show. I’m torn. The whole SB was a waste.

  12. Ken says:

    RocIk hold that chin up bro. Things will get better and if not there is always beer.

  13. Ken says:

    Snow day here in Connecticut.

  14. Ken says:

    Hopefully the myth of Pete Carroll as a good coach has been destroyed. At least that happened.

  15. dbolt48 says:

    GDP’s favorite….trade down mock😃

    Your Picks:
    Round 2 Pick 25 (CAR): Paul Dawson, OLB, TCU (A)
    Round 2 Pick 26 (BALT): Cody Prewitt, FS, Ole Miss (A)
    Round 2 Pick 27 (DEN): Michael Bennett, DT, Ohio State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 1 (T.B.): Clive Walford, TE, Miami (Fla.) (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 5 (WASH): Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 10 (NYG): Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 26 (BALT): Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (C+)
    Round 3 Pick 28 (DEN): Andy Gallik, C, Boston College (A)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Ladarius Gunter, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 5 (WASH): Eric Rowe, CB, Utah (C)
    Round 5 Pick 7 (DEN): Rob Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin (B)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (Fla.) (C)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Deion Barnes, DE, Penn State (B)

  16. Brian in NY says:

    Ken,

    IMO Pete Carroll is a very good coach. Yes, he has some excellent assistants surrounding him, but that’s also part of being a good coach. He has a very aggressive style, and is perhaps a little reckless at times. He made a bone-headed call, easily the worst call in the history of the NFL, but you can’t deny his success: 50 regular season wins in five years, with four playoff appearances and two SB appearances, and one Championship. I’ll take that any day.

  17. Brian in NY says:

    dbolt,

    I’m defintiely going to try that pizza recipe soon! Maybe this coming weekend. We get frozen dough from the store pretty often and let the kids have “make your own pizza” nights.

  18. The Flying Pig says:

    Rock

    You will get through this
    Just recharge for now
    Then go get the world!

  19. The Flying Pig says:

    Still in shock over that stupid call by the Seahawks
    Why did they do that?

    We will see what the NFL has in store for the Patriots this offseason – my guess is nothing (sigh)

    • dbolt48 says:

      Absolutely nothing will be done. Goodell made that clear when he said they didn’t know if a violation even occurred…..COCK OF SHIT💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩

  20. jetsssuck says:

    In 15 season in NE Bellichick has won the afc east division 12 times, been to 9 afc title games with 6 afc titles. He has been to 6 super bowls winning 4 and if not for 2 incredible catches he could have won 6. No coach has ever produced numbers like this.

    Lets hope he retires soon.

  21. son of a son of a shula says:

    Well that sucked last night.
    Good article Herd.
    No picture of Suh but that’s ok, I’ll supply one here:

  22. Ken says:

    Brian I have never thought Pete Carroll was a good coach from back to his days in New England. He always outsmarts himself. His success at USC was because his team was more talented than any other team. He also paid to have the most talented team, more than the other teams were paying their players. I was at least happy to see his stupidity put full on display once again. It was the worst play call in NFL history and I am happy it exposed Carroll for the fraud he is.

    • Brian in NY says:

      He definitely has had teams with talent, but talent alone doesn’t win (see 1995 Dolphins). I can’t stand him either, but I have to give credit where credit is due!

  23. stangerx says:

    Stand strong Rock. Was in my late thirties when I went through the same thing. One of the worst times in my life. Also ended up being about the best thing that ever could of happened.

  24. sixthree0ne says:

    dbolt48 says:
    February 2, 2015 at 8:48 am
    Best thing was the trailer for Jurassic World.

    Damn I missed that. I gotta look it up

  25. stangerx says:

    Hated seeing the Pats win, but man that was one exciting game. Right up there with Rams/TItans and GIants/Pats.

  26. getterdone says:

    Well, what a cap to a friggin disappointing Dolphins season.

    DBolt, nice mock above with the trade down, but do you really think all those talented players will do anything in Miami….more SOS ahead!

    • dbolt48 says:

      LOL. I honestly think if you can land some of the local homegrown talent you can avoidany off field distractions and have guys ready to role.

  27. Ken says:

    Brian:
    Pete Carroll has had 2 of the worst coaching decisions I have ever seen. Last night and the USC Texas championship. Both absolutely moronic decisions that I think my cat could have called better decisions than he made.

  28. Ken says:

    We all know what Piggy’s favorite commercial was last night.

  29. Rockphin says:

    Did anyone else here the report last night that one ONE of the 11 balls was 2lbs under inflated and that the rest were “marginally” under pressure? This after the first report? The cover up has already started. There will be no findings to “tarnish” this win……

    • Ken says:

      I heard that. It’s spin. Fact is 11 of 12 balls underinflated while the other team had 0 underinflated. Coincidence?

    • getterdone says:

      Goodell & Kraft now hold hands on vacation…it’s done.

    • dbolt48 says:

      Yep. The cover up started last Friday at Goodells presser when he said that the league doesn’t even know if a violation had even occurred. that line was Goodell saying “Fuck the fans & praise Kraft”

  30. Ken says:

    There were not enough injuries for my liking last night.

  31. getterdone says:

    True Colors…he should have went to Boston instead on Ben Volin….SMH!

    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
    The Super Bowl went how I expected. The Patriots are a dynasty. Deny it all you want but look at the record. Respect greatness!

  32. Rockphin says:

    Maybe some day we will have every player step up at the right moment for things to go right for us? It seams like other teams always get that play when they need it. That nobody who steps up to WILL A WIN. Why are we always on the receiving side of those moments?

    • Ken says:

      I blame coaching at least this past season. Cueing Tim right about now. LOL.

      • Rockphin says:

        I don’t know man. Maybe. It just seams that regardless of “coaching” and sometimes in spite of it other teams just “get lucky” while we never do

      • Ken says:

        I don’t think it is luck. It is coaching. Bellicheat’s players are disciplined enough to still play the pass when facing Marshawn Lynch in short yardage. That’s discipline, that’s coaching. Our coach calls TOs in crucial situations to make sure the other team has enough time to run a play.

    • Ken says:

      In all honesty if that was us last night who lost the SB like that this place would be on fire right now and I mean literally.

  33. getterdone says:

    Andrew Abramson ✔ @AbramsonPBP
    Remember that time Dolphins vs Pats with playoffs on the line refused to give ball to Ricky, let Fiedler pass it? This was that bad x1000

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Regular season game but remember having Ricky throw against Buff after we marched right down the field and Ricky threw a pick in the endzone.
      Coaches over thinking stuff.

  34. son of a son of a shula says:

    Edelman makes me insane as a fan of any team who plays against the pats but there is no denying his work ethic and production. I wonder if we truly have guys in Miami with his type of work ethic. He feeds off of Brady’s desire to be great, seems like we have a mentality of “Gee I hope we can get better, la de da”.

  35. Rockphin says:

    Finding a hall of fame QB in the 6th round. Lucky

  36. Mike E. says:

    Rock

    Stay strong. Try to think positive, and keep your chin up. You can do it man. You’ll get through this. You’re a Dolphins fan, you’re resilient as anyone can be. Wishing the best for you man!

  37. Rockphin says:

    I heard a stat last night that blew my mind
    NE has ONE first round pick on offense

  38. getterdone says:

    Trent Hosick @TrentHosick
    44 starters in the Super Bowl:
    5 Star Recruits – 0
    4 Star Recruits- 4
    3 and below- 40

    #KeepYourDream
    Retweeted by Brian Hartline
    _____________________________

    Coaching Tim, it’s coaching!

  39. Mike E. says:

    It would have been so different last night if they just gave the ball to Lynch one more time. Goodell probably called Pete Carroll and told him “You make sure your little QB turns that ball over now, you hear!” “You’ll be compensated later”

  40. son of a son of a shula says:

    Let’s play Dion Jordan at TE and draft Dante Fowler Jr.

  41. Mike E. says:

    Coaching is a big part of it as well, and cheating too. I’m becoming more and more cynical about ALL things NFL. 😦

    • dbolt48 says:

      Been there for a long time

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Want a conspiracy theory:
      Since the Pats, as I proclaimed, had already bought and paid for this one. What other reason do they have to pass unless its to squander the game as [planned].

    • getterdone says:

      All big time sports is rigged Mike, it’s all about the almighty entertainment dollar at any cost…that cost has been the integrity of what sports was supposed to be as a child competing and while maintaining good sportsmanship.

  42. Ken says:

    Gotta run for now. I will be back later. Peace.

  43. Mike E. says:

    Later Hulk

  44. Mike E. says:

    Too bad Travolta didn’t introduce Idina Menzel to sing the Star Spangled Banner last night

  45. Mike E. says:

    Son – Besides cheating, the only reason fuckface Carroll would pass is because he thinks he’s so fucking smart. If for some reason it was legit, he now has to live with that for the rest of his life.

  46. BoulderPhinfan says:

    that was easily the worst play call in the history of superbowl. I thought the game was over. Just ahd it to the beast mode. Carroll is gonna regret it for the rest of his life

    • stangerx says:

      No doubt he’ll be regretting. Don’t know about worst play call in SB history, but certainly shocked me. Would have been different if they gave it a shot once on the ground and it was the next play.

  47. D says:

    son of a son of a shula says:
    February 2, 2015 at 10:24 am
    Let’s play Dion Jordan at TE and draft Dante Fowler Jr.
    ————————————
    Very few times has he fallen to me when i was doing those mock drafts but I have truly considered selecting him. He is one of those super high motor to go along with very high athletic ability guys. Only reasons i have never brought him up is because i feel we are fairly solid OLB, and need a guy who can play MLB instead. He is going to be a stud, but im also thinking a likely top 10 dude.

    • D says:

      If we miss at Cb this year, next year we can look at Hargreaves from UF as well. He loves playing the game, very very motivated player. These are people you just want on your team and i was lucky to have both on my college team last couple of years.

  48. Al in MIA says:

    Boulder,
    Agreed.
    Bear Bryant must be laughing somewhere from his grave. ->
    “There are only three things that can happen when you pass and two of them are bad.”

  49. son of a son of a shula says:

    D,
    Fowler does seem to have solidified a top ten ranking in most places, unfortunately for us. He can play all over the front 7 and with a high motor, I’d love to get him here.

    • D says:

      Yeah, he is probably better than Easley, who i still feel will be dominant in years to come, he also can play any technique on the DL, and both can drop into coverage on occasion without looking ridiculous at it.

  50. D says:

    I may be in the minority here, for obvious reasons, but im glad Pats won. I think i hate the hype around Seattle more than the ball licking service everyone pays the Pats year in and year out. The Seattle players irk me too, their attitudes and trash-talking is just tired and im over it. As i said prior to the game, i really would love it if the NFL made an exception and neither one could win, but since that wasnt in the cards, im happier with NE winning.It was a gift though, Seattle had that in the bag, Even Brady would have faltered in getting them back down the field in 20 seconds, so yeah i agree with you, worst play call i have seen in a Superbowl in recent memory, potentially in any game in recent memory. Im hoping getting a 4th SB ring, will make Brady walk away from the game. 4 rings, guaranteed spot in the Hall, smoking hot supermodel wife, kids, why put yourself throught he grind, the controversy, the coach who will bail on you at the drop of a hat, instead of just walking off a winner and enjoying the rest of your incredibly awesome life lol. I dont know if he will, but there has never been a better time IMO.

    • D says:

      Maybe he is waiting to see what Peyton’s decisions will be…. I dunno but both of them leaving football the same year would eb pretty awesome for AFC teams lol.

      • son of a son of a shula says:

        Time for Tannehill to nut up if that’s the case. Leave no question who will fill the void.

      • stangerx says:

        I don’t think Brady retires. Think he loves football and won’t be happy with being a trophy husband (Giselle already makes twice what he does).

        Could see him moving to another team though, but only if deflategate creates bad blood btwn him and the E genius as they try to throw each other under the bus.

  51. new age says:

    Worst SB I’ve watched. Petey is an idiot. The pundits say that Seattle is getting ready to sign Lynch to a giant deal for a modern RB. So, they are smart enough to know what drives that team’s success but not smart enough to use him in the biggest moment of the year. What can you say?

    Pats earned their part of this win but anyone who doesn’t think their cheating affects games didn’t read the guy who studied their fumble ratio. What win games Petey Carroll? TOs and the flat balls prevent them. Look at how many ints Brady suddenly was having. Also, that team is completely different without Gronk. Why he isn’t their MVP I don’t know.

  52. son of a son of a shula says:

    Stanger I can’t see how deflategate could unfold in such a way that the pats and Tom part ways. They seem to have a unified front. Kraft was even declaring in his post game interview that “nobody did anything to those balls”. This is going to blow over like a warm spring breeze. There’s no way Goodell would even consider tarnishing his best bud’s name and accomplishment. He’d rather besmirch the entire rest of the league and the remaining bit of integrity they still may have.

  53. jahndoh says:

    I think the playcall cuts twice. 1) Gave away a superbowl title. As Boulder mentioned, that’ll haunt them for the rest of their lives. 2) Crushed a young QB’s confidence in the wake of a horrible NFC Championship game. That’ll haunt Wilson the rest of his career too.

    • BoulderPhinfan says:

      agreed. I think that call might change the direction of that team going forward. It was that bad. They had the ring. All they had to do was hand it off to beast mode.

  54. getterdone says:

    D,
    Tom Brady dismissed the idea of going out on top and retiring after the Patriots’ Super Bowl win.
    “No. I’ve got a lot of football left,” Brady said. He’ll be 38 before next season, but Brady is still playing at an extremely high level. He’s not the downfield thrower anymore, but Brady remains one of the elite quarterbacks in the league. As long as he and Rob Gronkowski are healthy, Brady is on the QB1 map.

    • D says:

      A lot of people think other retire when they are in decline, some wanna walk out on top. He has noting to play for….not saying he will do it, but i also wouldnt be at all shocked if he hung em up this off season.

  55. son of a son of a shula says:

    Oh and one thing from what I read from yesterday: Japan doesn’t have an army. That was part of the surrender agreement from WWII. They have a homeland defense but that’s it. Japan Ground Self-Defense Force or JGSDF ( 陸上自衛隊)

  56. getterdone says:

    The only good thing about the Pats SB win was if/when Tanny leads his team to wins over them, wins the division, it will be all the sweeter!

    Ok, let me pass this pipe before I pass out again….LOL 😯

    • stangerx says:

      Will add in one more — Brady has less to prove. Yeah how he’ll rank in the best QB of all time debate is probably a factor for him.

  57. D says:

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  58. The Flying Pig says:

    Me likey

  59. new age says:

    Lynch had two runs all game that weren’t for positive yardage. H did not lose a single yard though.

    Rock,
    Hope you find a way to move on from the bad. It does get better eventually.

  60. The Flying Pig says:

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  62. D says:

    Browns are just a fucked up organization right now. Farmer has to WISH he took the Miami job now. Gordon and his shit, and now their new “face of the franchise” player. That team is actually LOADED with talent, just a good chunk of them are basket cases.

  63. stangerx says:

    Gonna try not to make this pic of Lane’s injury pop out on the screen. It is unsettling. So only if you want to see.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/photos/seahawks-lane-suffers-ugly-injury-1422838761-slideshow/

  64. The Flying Pig says:

  65. The Flying Pig says:

    Here is something for la’el Collins fans

  66. Mike E. says:

    I’m not worried about the Browns or the Seahawks. I want our team to be in the big game, and i want them to be a contended every year

  67. Try Pod says:

    Son,
    Good catch on there not being a Japanese military force as part of their surrender agreement. I knew this, but I just let it go by as other things were being being discussed and I was involved with other things. Glad to see you around.

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Thanks Try, I got busy the end of last week and had a crazy weekend and I just never had a chance to get on here.

  68. Rockphin says:

    I just got off the phone with a divorce lawyer that was refered to me by another lawyer friend that doesnt do divorce. I am sick. Inconsolable. The guy wanted $300 for a consultation And a $5,000 retainer. I don’t have 5000 dollars just laying around. He also said that I will be paying alimony. I don’t know what the fuck to do. I can’t afford that kind of money

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      Does she have a lawyer?
      Is there any chance you guys can divide everything up without having the lawyers fight it out?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      You can represent yourself if necessary

      Are you guys requiring judicial intervention? Is one of the two of you contesting the divorce?

    • stangerx says:

      Rock — I’m neither a divorce lawyer or one in your state, but I learned at least something when I went threw mine. Feel free to give me an e-mail and I’ll offer what I can. As obviously from what he said Pig will too. Maybe we could do a three-way e-mail on it.

    • Brian in NY says:

      The United Sates is a great place to be a woman; they have all of the rights in a divorce. My buddy is going through one right now (NY is notorious for divorce outcomes for males). He’s at $20,000 K, and he’s barely gotten started. She wants the house, kids, cars, child support and alimony. He’s got to pay for every cent of her legal fees, as well as his. A few of my friends have gone through this. My best advice, try to see if you guys can work out the settlement as much as you can on your own.

  69. Rockphin says:

    I don’t think either of us are contesting the divorce at this point. It’s just that she works for a billionaire Who will hire her a lawyer. I’m just afraid that when she sees how expensive it is to live and realizes she cannot pay bills Or even keep anything that I give to her like either of the two houses She is going to panic

    • son of a son of a shula says:

      You just want to avoid alimony, she can sell a house you give her and live somewhere within her means.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Go down to the local family court (if that is what they call it in your jurisdiction)
      Pick up the informational docs they have about representing yourself

      Then present a cost effective fair offer to her

      It might not stop her from suing you for alimony down the line of she feels like she needs it. But it’s worth a try.

      You might not need to hire an attorney and fight it all out

    • stangerx says:

      See what I wrote above, but the time now is to learn not to act unless you get the papers. These things take time if it is contested…….and best thing is that it is not.

  70. Rockphin says:

    She would lose either of the two houses or both Because she can’t afford to pay for either And they’re both on my credit She is not on either loan Just on the deeds
    Both houses are upside down So bad there’s no way we can sell them

  71. Brian in NY says:

    Rock,
    See if you can reason with her by telling her that you guys can try to work it out yourselves, or the lawyers are going to take almost everything from the BOTH of you.

  72. Rockphin says:

    Thanks for the support guys. BBL I need to make some calls For work. It doesn’t help that I’ve had the worst case of the flu I’ve had in 10 years For the last week

  73. Mike E. says:

    Rock – I’m not going to offer any advice because I simply don’t know the right way to handle your situation. It does sound best to keep the lawyers out of it though for as long as you can.

    • stangerx says:

      Always best to keep it without a contest. Only reason you don’t is if the other side is bat shiot unreasonable. Chances are a lawyer will have to be involved in some way though if the finances are other than real simple, but that includes just getting the thing done.

    • Try Pod says:

      Yeah, I decided to let the adults talk and to keep my mouth shut lol

  74. jahndoh says:

    +++ Vibes Rock. Hang in there.

  75. Ken says:

    Pete Carroll is still an idiot.

  76. Brian in NY says:

    I think we are really going to need Brady to get injured again, or retire if we are to have a chance of winning the division. There is just so much distance between us and them right now.

  77. Ken says:

    Rock:
    Find a different lawyer. It’s BS he would charge for an initial consultation. The goal should be to try to get you as a client. Charging an upfront fee is just a way to see how much you are willing to pay. It’s a guy who plans to bill you to no end. There are plenty of lawyers who will not charge for an initial consultation because they want your business and know divorces can be difficult.

  78. dbolt48 says:

    LOL Brian, it’s not Brady we need to worry about, it’s Goodells relationship w/ Kraft. It’s this relationship that allows the Pats to cheat no -stop and also gives them an extra ace up their sleeve with officials.

    • Brian in NY says:

      All of the consistently good teams get breaks with the refs. Once we get there again, those calls will go our way. I can’t see the NFL fining the Pats anything significant now, or taking away draft picks now that the are the SB Champs.

  79. Brian in NY says:

    I don’t buy the Patriots mystique either Ken, they are just clearly much better than us right now. It doesn’t matter if we can beat them head to head once a year; they beat the other teams i the league on a regular basis that we don’t. We are basically fighting for a WC spot every year with the in our division..

  80. finfanrob says:

    convict says:
    February 2, 2015 at 8:03 am

    About 5 months ago we were talking about how the Pats were done, and we were going to be competing for the divisional championship. LOL. Just goes to show the importance of having the commish in your back pocket.

    there fixed it for you

  81. Randy says:

    Fun Super Bowl to watch. I didn’t care who won….just wanted a competitive game. I think people are going a little overboard on the final Seattle call. Lynch had failed on several(I think) short runs earlier in the game….and it wasn’t like he had a dominant game. People are acting like it was a given he would’ve scored….nobody knows for certain. Hindsight in playcalling is always perfect. Lol. The NE defender simply made a great play, and the Hawks receiver could’ve made a stronger play on the ball. If they’d run Lynch and he didn’t get in, people would be calling Carroll an idiot for being so predictable.

    I hope we make it there before I become too senile to enjoy it…..maybe it’s too late already.

    • Try Pod says:

      Which would you rather be explaining, why you couldn’t get your bread and butter playmaker into the end zone, or why you couldn’t get in on a very questionable play call?
      Point being, I could much easier look myself in the mirror and face my fan base on one over the other.

  82. finfanrob says:

    Brian in NY says:
    February 2, 2015 at 12:10 pm

    The United Sates is a great place to be a woman; they have all of the rights in a divorce….. My best advice, try to see if you guys can work out the settlement as much as you can on your own.

    nope, the best advice is dont get fucking married.

  83. Randy says:

    I wonder how the courts decide whom to screw when two lesbians get divorced….must be the butch one.

  84. finfanrob says:

    brian

    if that is the case and the cheats walk away from this with no penalty i am done with the wwf, i mean the nba….dammit i mean the nfl.

    if they get no penalty it is a proven fact the fix is in with kraft and goodell. i wont watch pro football anymore.

  85. Ken says:

    Brian:
    They are better but I don’t put them on a pedestal. We can compete for a division title but it takes some better coaching and some more talent. The focus should be on fixing that and not on when is Brady going to retire. I never concede that my opponent is superior to me. My focus is on what do I have to do to beat him.

  86. finfanrob says:

    randy

    they are lesbians, neither gets screwed, but one of them sure does get licked hard once the paper work is settled.

  87. herdfan says:

    Rockphin, I hope things turn out well for you. A reset as you call it at 46 isn’t the end of the world. I’m doing it at 53.

    For all of you saying how women always come out ahead in a divorce, I’m here to tell you that’s not always the case. At least that’s how it seems to me.

    • stangerx says:

      Herd — agreed on that it is not about women. Mostly has do to with who makes the most money and a big issue is child support, and the Moms normally end up the caretakers of the kids. Checks involved with that one. Most divorce laws are distinctly sex neutral.

    • Rockphin says:

      Thanks But as I understand it there are no “winners”
      I just don’t think it’s fair that I have supported her for the last 10 years In any endeavor She wanted to try. Nursing school sure I’ll pay for it. She got her certificate and doesn’t nurse. Real estate school sure I’ll pay for it. She got her certificate and doesn’t practice real estate. Buying and selling stuff on eBay? If that’s what will make you happy sure go right ahead. Now after 10 years of this shit she’s unhappy with me and I will have to pay her alimony????? It’s just not fair. I can see from your point of view that you feel that you didn’t get a fair shake. But like I said to begin with there are no winners In a divorce. We both stand to lose more than just half Of what we built together

  88. Ken says:

    Randy:
    It was a terrible call to throw there. The Seahawks have 2 great options from the 1 yard line. They have the best goal line runner in football and the best running QB in football. For whatever Lynch failed to earlier in the game he did score one short yardage TD and he had no negative runs. 3 shots from the 1 with Lynch and Wilson, no brainer to run it imo. Totally stupid decision to throw. This is what big uglies live for. C’mon Randy.

  89. Randy says:

    Trypod,
    None of us know what the Seattle coaches feel good about or have confidence in. Like I said, lynch failed to get a crucial first down earlier in the game on a short yardage run….and had just failed to get much positive yardage the previous play, didn’t he? Maybe they felt they needed to go against their tendencies and see if it worked because NE was playing to stop Lynch. I’m pretty sure they weren’t expecting a NE backup to make a phenomenal play for an INT.

    Also, if you’re gonna second-guess every call that doesn’t work, you won’t be a head coach for long because they all have failed calls every game. It wasn’t a bad call. It was a great defensive play by the NE kid.

  90. professor lou says:

    Didn’t watch the game and judging by a lot of the reactions here I’m glad I didn’t because I’d probably be extremely disgusted but the fact that I didn’t watch and didn’t see anything that happened makes me a happy camper.
    Let’s just hope we have the right people in place to bring our team back to glory.

    • stangerx says:

      Great game, bad result. Will be in the talk for best bowl ever though.

      And of course what we want is an Aqua and Orange one.

  91. professor lou says:

    I’ll be honest with you guys. The Pats won another won. I don’t give a flying pig, uh, fig. Time to focus on FA and the draft and the udfa’s after the draft, camp and the season. I’m just hoping there is a definite sense of urgency in Miami right now after the Pats have stole another SB. The guys this team has at the top need to look at it like it’s their jobs if they don’t put together a team that can compete like the Pats week in and week out. Time to stop screwing around and get some players in here.

  92. Ken says:

    Randy:
    Guys like Tom Jackson and Emmett Smith have called it the worst play call in football history. 3 shots from the 1 with the best goal line runner in the NFL and you throw? No way. Its a fuck up of historic and monumental proportion and it exposes Carroll for the idiot he really is. With that I have to run. Peace.

  93. Ken says:

    I was watching the game with my brother who knows jack about football. I remember him saying after the Seahawks got to the 1 that the Pats need an int now. I turned to him and said there is no way they are running the ball here but….. Now I am out.

  94. Randy says:

    Ken
    Oh believe me, I hate all he throwing from inside the 5 yard line and in short yardage situations we see in the NFL nowadays. But, that doesn’t change the fact that it is done a lot. It wasn’t like Seattle pulled some completely asinine play out of their playbook. They ran a play lots of teams run in that situation. It didn’t work. Just like the Lynch run they called the play before didn’t work(that nobody is questioning, btw). ultimately, I just don’t buy all the second guessing of play calls that fans do. It’s too easy.

  95. Randy says:

    Ok, I must agree…it’s required. That was the worst playcall in the history of football.

    Oh yeah…and Tannehill is a future HOF QB! Lol

    Later Ya bunch of haters.

  96. Try Pod says:

    Randy,
    I don’t think this had anything to do with second guessing. I think it is more like this: everyone knew it was beast mode until he broke the plane, so Carroll had to show he was smarter than everyone else and try something risky, with very little time on the clock. I don’t call that second guessing, I call it arrogance. Gotta disagree with you here.

    • Try Pod says:

      If they stopped him, you tip your hat. Now not only did you lose, you lost credibility in your locker room and your organization.

  97. D says:

    Randy says:
    February 2, 2015 at 1:07 pm
    I wonder how the courts decide whom to screw when two lesbians get divorced….must be the butch one.
    —————————————
    If i were the judge i wouldn’t screw the butch one…. 🙂 whts the point in that.

  98. finfanrob says:

    rock

    by no means do i know but can tell you a client of mine went thru a divorce about 4 years ago. part of the calculation of the amount of alimony factored in what her ability to make a living was, whether she made it of not. so if your wife is a licensed nurse i would think the courts would factor in what her income possibility is when figuring alimony. at least that was how it worked in florida.

    but what ever it is i wish you the best of luck, not andrew he sucks but ‘good’ luck

  99. Randy says:

    I am currently paying my full child support amount even though my oldest child graduated HS and left his mother’s home last August. When I requested a reduction, I discovered the law here in minnesota states that the child support order doesn’t change until the last child leaves the home….regardless of how many kids there are. So, even though my son dropped out of college, his mom disowned him and said he couldn’t come back to live with her, and he is now living with me, I’m still paying her to ostensibly care for him…which she’s not.

    And why is this? Because a woman’s lobby convinced the lawmakers that this was “fair” and got the law changed….Even though the child support program directors in the State disagreed and recommended a different way of determining equitable child support. So, I will get to pay my ex for the cost of raising both my children….even though one now lives with me as an adult….until my daughter graduates in May 2016.

    Fair? Nope. Is there a damn thing I can do about it legally? Nope! Bend over and take it with a smile. But hey…..my kids love me, so there’s that.

  100. D says:

    To me the idea that the run play would or wouldnt be successful isnt as strong as the idea that the safest play would have been the run. I mean to be quite honest, they were so close, Wilson could have snapped the ball and stuck his arm across the plane, i mean they were like ont he half yard line.There were any number of safer plays that could be called than throwing right into the middle of malfunction junction with everyone crowded around the middle to stop what everyone thought would be a punch in.That was probably one of the lower percentage passes you could make given where on the field they were and the formation seeing.

  101. Silly Tim says:

    Heading to Savannah this afternoon and then Charleston tomorrow overnight. Having a nice chill time, great food.

    Oh yeah, SEA fucked up. Should have stuck with Lynch to victory. Fuck the Pats!!!!!

  102. finfanrob says:

    kicking a FG on 2nd down and losing by 1 was a better play then letting wilson pass the ball.

  103. Silly Tim says:

    D, the pickle thing is ffr’s not mine. LOL

  104. D says:

    Pete Carroll ‏@PeteCarroll 5m5 minutes ago

    This is really hard to take now but in the long run it will make us stronger. Our guys are so strong and our future is bright. #GoHawks #12s
    0 replies 563 retweets 912 favorites

    Lol i think he’d be better just staying quiet.

  105. Randy says:

    D,
    No doubt. The only way you can get the order changed is if either of our incomes changed significantly. And, even funnier, my ex quit her good paying job a couple years after the divorce and took a lesser income because she knew she had an additional $800 a month coming in from me…and that increased the percentage I have to contribute.

    Even the child support worker on our case apologized to me. She’s the one who told me the Counties had recommended a more equitable means of determining child support and were told by the lawmakers they were going another direction. The Counties know it’s bullshit, but they can’t do a thing about it. But hey….I don’t regret supporting my kids. It’s just money….and it’ll feel like I’m rich when I’m actually done paying….that is if they’re not both living with me by then! Lol

    • dbolt48 says:

      Sounds similar to what happened to my best friend. His wife became a Facebook ranger going off and banging any guy that was a Facebook “friend”. She schemed on the weekends with her parents and side penis while privately meeting w/ a lawyer. One day my buddy comes home to divorce papers, no family, and his life savings removed from their account. Oh yeah she decided to quit her job as a case worker for the state so she could live the dream off from him.

    • D says:

      Good view point,

  106. getterdone says:

    Eagles OLB Trent Cole is currently scheduled to count $11.625 million against the 2015 salary cap.
    The Eagles can save $8.425 million by releasing Cole. The expectation is Philadelphia will move on from the 32-year-old. The Eagles were initially concerned about Cole’s ability to make the switch from 4-3 end to 3-4 stand-up edge rusher, but he pulled it off and received extremely high marks from Pro Football Focus the past two seasons. Cole registered 14.5 sacks between 2013-2014, but the Eagles seem poised to find a taller, rangier player to slot in opposite OLB Connor Barwin.
    ___________________________
    Give them Jordan for a 2nd & 3rd round pick, and Brandon Graham 🙂

  107. D says:

    NFLTradeRumors.co ‏@nfltrade_rumors 36s37 seconds ago

    #Ravens Release DL Terrence Cody http://bit.ly/1L4VwQ0
    0 replies 0 retweets 0 favorites

  108. professor lou says:

    When you read Tannenbaum’s interview on the Fins website all of the things he talks about SOUNDS impressive from trying to get the players bodies in better physical shape so the injuries don’t happen like they’ve been to just proper nutrition but all of those things just sound good. You’ve got to make them work. We’ve been given a basketfull of different promises over the years and nothing has come of any of it.
    Excuses like Misi has been injured or Jordan was injured and then suspended. All of this stuff doesn’t matter. Only thing that matters is they find the players who can play the game at a high level and stay healthy. If there’s players who can’t do that they need to go elsewhere.
    Omar talks about how good the Pats are but then takes offense when you make a comment about a player needing to hit the road. Can’t have it both ways.

    • Silly Tim says:

      Well injuries and suspensions do matter. It’s part of the reality of the game. A high ankle sprain has nothing to do with nutrition and conditioning. Neither does failing a drug test. That’s individual responsibility.

      • professor lou says:

        My point is if a player can’t contribute to the team then it doesn’t do the team any good to have him on the roster. Yeah, Misi was injured but he’s injured every year. It’s not like you can say, “man, it’s too bad Misi was injured this year because he was having a good season.” He’s injured all of the time so it’s not like it’s a surprise.
        Jordan’s been with the team two years and has done nothing. Now, it’s different if you’re talking about a Jordan Tripp but a #3 overall should have done something by now even with the suspension he had last season. He didn’t even show any promise. Nothing. Gee, even a tfl or two would have shown us something we could hang our hat on and say maybe he’s coming around but going into this season we still don’t know what we’ve got.
        That’s just unacceptable no matter how you look at it.

    • jahndoh says:

      Another thing you can’t have both ways is that when your answer to all problems is to cut players, you’re left with an ever decreasing pool of talent from which you can choose, and an infinitely less talented team then you started with. You’ve always been cut happy Pro-Lou, and to the point that you’ve blamed fans “acceptance of mediocrity” for the team failures. Sometimes you have to build on what you have and make POSITIVE changes instead of just negative changes, like cut this guy, fire that guy etc.

      And, as Tim says, injuries and suspensions DO matter. Labeling them as excuses doesn’t change the fact that they affect game outcomes.

      • professor lou says:

        We’ve had a lot of the same guys on the team and we’ve gone nowhere so you look at the talent you’ve got and say, “why aren’t we doing better” and you answer the question by looking at the level of talent.
        We have almost an entirely new offensive line vs the year before. Now, that’s positive change. We weren’t going to go anywhere with the same players we had there and I’d be surprised if we don’t have two NEW guards on the line this year. You’ve got to make changes to the roster. It’s the only way you’ll get better because you can’t just keep fielding the same old mix of good players with subpar players because you’ll lose the good guys because they’ll want to play elsewhere where they have a chance to compete.
        I’m not saying injuries don’t matter. I’m saying when you have a player like Misi who’s injured every year and he, therefore, can’t contribute to the success of the team because of no consistency it’s time to look elsewhere and let Misi go do something else. Having a guy who is supposed to start on defense but can’t play a full season every year is a liability and it’s something that should be unacceptable.

      • professor lou says:

        We went from being the 26th ranked rushing offense in the league in 2013 to being the 12th ranked rushing offense in the league and we didn’t do it by fielding the same exact line we did the year before. We let some guys go and brought in new talent on the line; some of it veteran and we had a rookie RT do a better job than vets we had on the right side for years before him.
        This is exactly what I’m talking about.

  109. dbolt48 says:

    Yeah D, Tims not the pickle jar guy, he’s the lightly stained rubber fist guy

  110. Try Pod says:

    Have fun in Savannah, Tim. Go you pirate house for lunch/dinner, then go sit on the bench Forrest Gump sat on while telling his story to anyone who will listen. You could also go see the lady Chablis of you are so inclined…

  111. The Flying Pig says:

    Tim

    We are know you went to savannah to do a pickle tour
    Stop denying it

  112. herdfan says:

    I always wanted to go to Savannah, ever since reading the book ‘Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil’ however many years ago. Loved the ‘Bird Girl’ statue on the cover of the book. Had one in my flower garden at my old house. The buyers asked for it to stay when we were selling, so don’t have it anymore. Funny thing is, we bought each other’s houses, closing was a nightmare and after moving into their house, all sorts of issues popped up not in the inspection. I felt like going back and stealing my Bird Girl but I never did. lol

    • dbolt48 says:

      Steal it back and replace it with that wandering mountain goat 😇

      • herdfan says:

        Lol…The driveway to the house was uphill and across the road was what we referred to as the ‘ravine’. One of my neighbors was walking past one evening not long after they had moved in and noticed the guys truck was wheels up in the ravine, must have not set his brake. So she goes to the door, rings the bell several times and knocks because she can hear a tv on inside and assumes they are home and would want to know their vehicle had ‘escaped’. He apparently answered the door with a not very pleasant greeting and I think she enjoyed telling him what happened. I know I enjoyed hearing about it. 🙂

      • dbolt48 says:

        LOL

    • Try Pod says:

      It’s kinda cool, in a weird way. Similar to Charleston, but a lot more character, imo.

  113. dbolt48 says:

    LOL….

    @TMZ: #Breaking: Warren Sapp ARRESTED for soliciting prostitute http://t.co/OMGkoinBfb http://t.co/ssVnBdVuiE

  114. stangerx says:

    Police tape all around the front of my building today. Went to get some packages and talked to the guy in receiving. A woman jumped from her balcony. He was tearing. Asked if he knew her (everyone knows him in the building). He said “yeah…..one classy lady.” Asked if she was older: “Yes and she told me she had some real serious health problems.”

    God Bless.

  115. jahndoh says:

    Pro Lou,

    I never advocate for making no changes on a 53. Change for growth and development is healthy. Change of the sake of change is not. Cutting/firing vindictively is not. Misi is a different conversation, if you want to move the mark and talk about him, let the record show, I never mentioned him, and don’t care to discuss him with you.

  116. jetsssuck says:

    Heading to Savannah this afternoon and then Charleston tomorrow overnight. Having a nice chill time, great food.
    ——————————————–
    c if you can stay at a bed and breakfast home. They have a lot of old cool houses with rocking chairs under the porch

  117. dbolt48 says:

    @ArmandoSalguero: Blog post. Patriot: Wallace issue a sign of mental weakness …

    http://t.co/23e2vUi6y3

    • Mike E. says:

      I don’t give a rats ass about what some Patriots player says about our team. They’re just playing Patriot Games.

      • dbolt48 says:

        LOL. I agree with the Pats player because he agrees with me😋. Willing to bet that this was Revis….He was annoyed of Wallace talking about how we should’ve scored 50pts that 1st game.

      • Try Pod says:

        Is that like Reindeer Games, both of which are related, kinda..

  118. dbolt48 says:

    @ThatGirlBco: #NFL offseason begins..Terrance Cody keeps alligators as pets, Manziel checked into rehab & Warren Sapp arrested for soliciting a prostitute

  119. dbolt48 says:

    @jamisonhensley: Cody faces animal cruelty charge involving a dog, animal abuse and neglect involving an alligator as well as a charge for drug possession

  120. Mike E. says:

    Try – It certainly is related.

  121. getterdone says:

    Don’t prostitutes know Sapp is a horrible tipper…she should have told him NO! 😉

  122. Rockphin says:

    My two cents to the conversation above Regarding cutting players in building a team And more specifically about Misi.

    You build your team through the draft, Everyone knows that, So when you trap people you tend to want to keep them until you can find somebody better, You bring that person in and then you cut the expendable 1in my opinion.

    Poem me C is not the most physically talented player

    • Rockphin says:

      Koa Misi Not poem me C
      anyway he is not the most physically gifted player. But he does everything the right way. His technique is very very good. I don’t believe in injury prone I think some people just have unlucky Years
      the coaching staff said early in the year that when checking tape every time they wanted to show an example of the right way to do something it was Koa Misi doing it. So yeah they want to keep him until they can find an upgrade. But you only get to 3 playable draft picks for draft And you have a salary cap and free agency

      • Rockphin says:

        Holy shit speech recognition mangled that one. You get the idea even if the wrong words are in there

      • getterdone says:

        Mason Foster has been dinged up a few times in the last 2 years, but I’d still take a chance on signing him to our LB corp. He’s a talent when healthy and he’s only 25.

  123. Silly Tim says:

    I’m in transit for savannah, no pickle besides my own and he’s fine. LOL

  124. D says:

    Misi to me isn’t replaceable unless we did it through FA, and if we do that its goig to be at a cost higher than his, im for Misi even though i think he is only a stopgap until someone we draft next year takes over. His coast isnt so significant (2.7mil) that we should feel the need to cut him. We cant find start right away replacement for him for less than that. Misi also brings quality to the locker room, he is a disciplined player and he represents himself well. He is a good mentor for future players. Intangibles are worth something.
    *
    Wallace to me IS replaceable at 2.5mil, because rookie receivers are coming in and giving his level of production straight out the gate. If we took a guy in the first in this draft, we get a guy capable of that, for less than 2.5mil. On top of that Wallace does not bring and actually is a negative in the intangible areas mentioned above, so to me that 2.5mil is really a bit bigger in reality. He will need to do a quick “about face” to salvage his value to the team.
    *
    Hartline to me is worth keeping too,He falls in kinda same boat as Misi, with same intangibles. Only big thing with him is his cap savings at 3.1mil make it a little more tempting if for example we were going after someone really big in FA and HAD to have the extra space. I could only see cutting him is if there was a greater good for the team move that forced it.
    *
    Alot of these guys are no-brainers. They are dead weight guys, offering little to our team but costing a lot. Im a very conservative minded guy when it comes to making roster moves, making FO or staff changes, he;ll even drafting, i don’t favor the trade ups because i like more picks over moving up a few spots for one person. I don’t say these things or cast off these players like refuse, i really weight it out and even with Wallace, i wouldn’t suggest these unless i thought there was a course of action where cutting them wouldn’t take the team in the right direction.

  125. getterdone says:

    Hartline situation is gonna depend a lot on what Lazor can/wants to do with him, and not so much about what he coats or saves by dumping him.
    He didn’t seem to have as much a part of this new offense last year, and if that is still the case moving forward then our beloved #82 is a goner.

  126. D says:

    I think today is the first day people can start cutting people, dont know if i expect it to busy this early, but who knows, some may want to clear up the roster and give those guys chances to start early negotiating with new teams.

  127. getterdone says:

    The Dolphins can save $5.95M in cap space by designating Brian Hartline as a post-June 1 cut.
    Doing so would leave behind $1.4M in dead money in 2015, the ramifications of a bloated five-year, $30.7M deal handed to Hartline in March of 2013. Perhaps the more logical move is to negotiate a pay-cut that puts him more in line with other No. 3 and 4 receivers around the league. It’s unclear if agent Drew Rosenhaus and his client are willing to accept that.

  128. Silly Tim says:

    Glad I didn’t have to deal with the snow and cold back home, 50-60 here sunshine. My poor daughter. LOL

  129. D says:

    Just looked and Wallace cut post June 1 saves 6.9mil,

  130. dbolt48 says:

    Sapp failed negotiating with Hookers 101:

    @miagarciafox10: POLICE: Warren Sapp met 2 women at Renaissance hotel bar, took them up to room, had fight over money to be paid, women called front desk

    • getterdone says:

      Told ya he’s a cheapskate….dumbass.
      He stiffs (pun intended) waitresses all the time. Recently at an eatery in Tampa with his buddies, he wrote zero tip on a large tab and it made local news.

      • stangerx says:

        Well don’t that make him stupid. You might stiff (not that I would)…….but sure as F you are the stupidest ass in the world if you do it and you have a name that could hit the papers.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Yep, I remember that.

    • stangerx says:

      There has to be more to it than that. No way do they call the front desk over money. Was it physical?

      • getterdone says:

        Yeah, he’s looking at assault charges as well. Career suicide….SMH

      • stangerx says:

        He is charming, but then we are talking about a HOF-type player with a long career who also declared bankruptcy not long after he retired and only got a 2nd chance cause that charm made him a talking head. At least one cylinder ain’t firing.

  131. D says:

    After looking at teh post June 1 designation cuts, we have a few guys like Wheeler (who doesnt save us much if cut before) that save a lot cut after june 1. Wheeler may still be out the door, his number is like 3mil saved after june 1.

    • getterdone says:

      Yup, I’ve seen that before and someone here bashed me saying Wheeler stays cause of no savings to cut him.
      Regardless if before or after June 1st, if a team has no use for a guy anymore they may just get rid of his ass ASAP and not worry about it.

    • getterdone says:

      Nope, I got alligator hide.

  132. getterdone says:

    One of the stars of “Power Rangers Samurai” has been arrested for stabbing his roommate to death with a sword … TMZ has learned.

    Ricardo Medina Jr. was busted Saturday afternoon by L.A. County Sheriff’s deputies in Palmdale, CA … after a fight broke out between himself and the roommate … Joshua Sutter.

    Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/01/power-rangers-ricardo-medina-arrested-murder-sword/#ixzz3QcwMBlWP

  133. getterdone says:

    I guess you could say the ‘Cuts’ have already begun.

  134. D says:

    Wheeler at a savings of 200k would stay for sure, so i get why someone would disagree, im probably one of the ones that did, but i dont think i bashed ya lol. In fact im pretty sure of it because i thought you were on the i guess we wind up keeping him even though i really really want to cut him side that i was on.

  135. D says:

    Another date coming up thats going to be interesting this year is 16th when franchise tags have to be applied. Dont think it means shit to us directly, but who teams dont tag will definitely limit/or open opportunities for us in FA.

    • getterdone says:

      Agreed, i doubt we franchise anyone…Well maybe Ross wants to franchise Joe…lol
      But I don’t see any of our players being tagged.
      Then we can see who is left around the league as UFA’s for us.
      I’m really wanting a DT & G in FA first and foremost.

      • D says:

        Absolutely, i feel those are musts in FA. Williams in FA would work for me, though i prefer Knighton. Williams growing on me after playing as the Cards in Madden, Williams was a flipping sack machine lol. JK he does look like a good fit for us.

  136. D says:

    stangerx says:
    February 2, 2015 at 4:58 pm
    He is charming, but then we are talking about a HOF-type player with a long career who also declared bankruptcy not long after he retired and only got a 2nd chance cause that charm made him a talking head. At least one cylinder ain’t firing.
    ——————————————————-
    How many cylinders ya think he is working with, im thinking 2 tops lol.

    • stangerx says:

      Said one is misfiring…….clearly that is true. But at least enough are firing that he comes off good on the tube. Overall with this — clearly not a fully functioning unit. So much stupidity in this latest event. Whatever the dispute was……he would have gladly paid them a hundred times more the next day to make it go away.

      Guess it depends on whether he has a V4, 6 or 8 going. 🙂

  137. Silly Tim says:

    In savannah, have a great day folks.

  138. D says:

    A lot of people thinking this pick really messes with Wilson, im not thinking it will, that dude is cool as hell, almost impossible to rattle. Tanny was like that his first year but seemed to get a little more rattled the more sacks he took. Tanny and Wilson both though are cool cats and generally bounce back from mistakes. I think this is something Wilson probably forgot about not more than a little bit after it happened. He probably thought a lot about losing the Superbowl, who wouldnt, but that one play isnt going to haunt him IMO.

  139. Al in MIA says:

    I’m still fuming over here over yesterday’s final Seattle play.
    Epic choke or epic fix, take your pick.
    A conspiracy on par with Goldman Sachs (embedding former exec into top financial positions in governments around the world to develop policy that protects Goldman Sach investments globally).
    The dark seeds planted in Pete Carroll’s head from his NE days runs deeper than Pioli (who traded for Matt Cassell giving NE the 34th overall pick) it seems.
    4 rings with big * next to all of them IMO.
    F NE and the great cheat machine.

  140. Al in MIA says:

    D,
    If anything i think it teaches Wilson to trust his players more.
    I don’t think this game could ruin him any more than the GB game did at one point.

  141. professor lou says:

    jahndoh says:

    February 2, 2015 at 2:57 pm

    Pro Lou,

    I never advocate for making no changes on a 53. Change for growth and development is healthy. Change of the sake of change is not. Cutting/firing vindictively is not. Misi is a different conversation, if you want to move the mark and talk about him, let the record show, I never mentioned him, and don’t care to discuss him with you.

    __
    I don’t think letting go of players who have been with the team for 4 or 5 years who haven’t done much with the team is cutting vindictively. I’m all about making the team better and looking at it from the perspective that when you’ve got a mediocre team that has the record this team has over the past 6 years there’s definite room for improvement rather than staying with the status quo.
    We’ve got some talent on the roster but there’s players who’ve outworn their welcome and need to go play elsewhere. Maybe it’s a scheme fit or a fit in general but you can’t just keep players either just for the sake of keeping players.
    The question has to be how long do you keep someone around and hope they start to produce for the team until you finally say you can’t keep them around anymore? How much do you invest in a player before you realize it just isn’t going to work out?
    I mean, you can look at players like Fox, Colledge and Finnegan and maybe the team won’t invest anymore in them either because it feels there are better options. It’s not about being vindictive. If any of us were the GM or owner of this team we’d be taking a long, hard look at why the team hasn’t been able to get to the playoffs and compete on a consistent basis whether it be the coaches, players or a combination of both.
    With Hickey here, I’m betting we’re going to see some more personnel changes on the roster this year just like last season and I’ll be we see a number of guys from the 2014 roster gone.

    • Rockphin says:

      I completely agree that Hickey is going to Reshape the roster in His image. But I think while he’s doing it he will keep players like me see. Hopefully he builds And doesn’t just tear down like past GMs Have done. I cannot name the amount of players that I have seen go on to be successful after being a dolphin Because some gm came in And wanted to go a different direction Or wanted his guys

    • jahndoh says:

      Call it what you will, but a lot of what I’ve seen around here regarding players and execs can only be described as vindictive.

      I’m not saying, nor would I say, that every time someone wants someone cut or fired it’s vindictive, but a LOT of the time it is, and it’s never a complete solution, it’s just spitballing. Because that same person (myself included) will have a 50% chance (or less) at identifying a suitable upgrade. “Suh is an upgrade” is about as reliable as “Marshall is an upgrade” afaic.

      Misi’s been your whipping boy for years. Tannehill too until this season when you couldn’t fly in the face of results any longer, so with a few players, I’m sorry but I think you’ve got some bias to overcome. Like D, I don’t see a viable Misi upgrade out there for the money. Is he “injury prone” well, ironically I had this discussion a couple days ago…is Albert injury prone? I kind of think so, but I wouldn’t cut him either.

  142. finfanrob says:

    D

    i agree with you that the pick doesnt effect wilsons psyche. however, i think it finally puts to bed, well this game and the pack game that he is some elite qb. if he played on a team with an average rb and defense they wouldnt win cause of him. it is clear his job is to not lose and he almost did that against GB and he did do it against the cheats. hell if GB recoved an onsides kick right into that guys hand then GB wins that game. wilson may still be calm and cool but he will be doing it as an average qb at best

  143. jahndoh says:

    I disagree with the Wilson, “Psyche” thing, but that’s gonna be hard to quantify. I personally think he was damaged goods after the NFC Championship game performance, and that look on his face after he threw the pick yesterday, was about as shellshocked as any person I’ve ever seen.

    Thus the reason I think Carroll f’d up twice with that playcall. Wilson could’ve easily overcome the NFC Championship game with a Superbowl ring, but now he’s a young kid with a lot of time to THINK and bouncing back is going to be very difficult. Maybe he will, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t dent his psyche a good bit.

  144. jahndoh says:

    Al,
    That play was no fix. Nobody acts that well. The difference between a win and a loss there is a hair’s width, and if the “fix” was so “epic” it wouldn’t have been that close.

    You’re hangin’ with the paranoia crowd too much. I think the league has it’s favorites, and they get preferential treatment, but there’s no way that game was scripted like that. Come on. How many players who hate the league front office would have to be in on it? That alone will tell you it wasn’t “fixed”.

    I saw an evenly matched game that came down to an incredible bang-bang play. I didn’t see any preferential treatement for either team from the refs yesterday. I didn’t watch it like I would a fins game, but I think that game was an even playing field, and shows how closely matched two teams can be in this league.

  145. finfanrob says:

    Silly Tim says:
    February 2, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    In savannah, have a great day folks.

    yes, being in savannah does make for a great day. but i am sure you meant the city.

  146. Al in MIA says:

    Regarding Wheeler’s contract, the Fins cap situation, and June 1st cut designation….

    A little background on June 1st assignments from overthecap.com:

    “The real purpose of the June 1 designation option is to benefit teams that have poor salary cap situations and need to either create space for rookie signings over the summer months or to cut players from the roster whose dead money charges are greater than their charge to remain on the team. In recent years this would be teams like the Dallas Cowboys and Oakland Raiders who have entered into some overpriced contracts for multiple players leaving them tight against the cap every season. The acceleration from one of these underperforming players would put the team over the cap or close enough to it to make it difficult to sign the draft class. Often waiting until June 1 is not an option because of offseason bonus money that would be due to the player if he is on the roster so the only option is to designate him a June 1 cut. So the rule gives the team the ability to avoid paying the player a bloated salary while also avoiding more cap problems. But by no means is it going to be a way to spend more money in the early stages of free agency and it does nothing to improve a teams cap position in March.”

    Each team can assign up to 2 players to be placed as a June 1st cut.
    The June 1st designation just changes the allocation of remaining signing bonus into 2 cap years instead of all in the current cap year.

    It allows teams to avoid accelerating all unearned prorated signing bonus (non-cash situation; pure accounting) into the current year and instead take just the charge of the current yearly allocation (1.4 mill per year for 5 years in Wheeler’s example); deferring the remainder (1.4 x 2 in Wheeler’s example) into the 2016 cap.

    Wheeler’s dead money if cut before June 1st is $1.4 mill x 3 years = $4.2 mill; cut on June 1st his cap hit is just $1.4 for 2015 cap then $1.4 x 2 years = 2.8 mill for 2016.

    Wheeler was guaranteed 13 mill in his contract…6 mill for base salary in 2013-14 and 7 mill in signing bonus money (for accounting purposes, it was spread out or prorated over 5 cap years. The actual 7 mill was paid out immediately when the contract was signed as it is for all players.

    • jahndoh says:

      LOL..are you the infamous “basher”? 🙂

      June 1 shouldn’t really be on the public’s mind IMHO. It’s kick the can. Kinda like what congress does with Social Security and Medicare every term. It just moves the problem from one year to the next. In a pinch, sure, you use it. But it’s not a tool to be used for signing other big FA contracts….not if a front office is doing it wisely…imho.

  147. Al in MIA says:

    Jahn,
    LOL.
    I’m not too good at this whole satire thing 😦

    • jahndoh says:

      LOL..I’m also kinda clueless when it comes to reading between the lines. I still like calling them the Cheatriots…they are documented cheaters of course, who am I to argue against that!

  148. Mike E. says:

    D
    Seems to me that you’re only looking at savings, and not dead money and cap hit. Just because you can save 2.5M by cutting Wallace, you LOSE the $9.6M in dead money , which HARDLY makes the 2.5 you save saving anything at all! Please show all the facts!

  149. Al in MIA says:

    Jahn,
    Regarding Wheeler, i just don’t see much value in cutting him this season. Though not ideal IMO, He’s an established starter in this league and the team has no trustworthy backups to fill his void. If you go to market, the team will still have to pay 2-3 million in whatever relief they get for 2015 to sign any half decent OLB.
    I think the whole Fins in cap trouble crap is overrated because people are writing these things in the context of the current cap projection (138-142). Everyone knows the cap is going to be greater come end of Feb / early March when the NFL tallies up all 2014 year revenues. Reports in November talked numbers as high as 155-160 but if last year is any indication it will be at least 8-10 million higher than the 140 average projection talk. The cap last year (2014 season) was projected by the NFL in 2013 to be $123 mill; league announced in March of 2014 that it would be set to $133 million (+10 mill up from projection). By all accounts, this appears to be a great revenue year so I’m expecting 152 or higher.

  150. Mike E. says:

    I think it was a horrible play call. Look at the TD Edelman caught, how wide open he was. If you’re going to throw into the end zone, why throw into a crowd? If the receiver made a quick move like Edelman did, and was open, that’s one thing. Regardless, I thought they should have handed it off to Lynch who likely would have won the game right there.

  151. Al in MIA says:

    Mike E,
    Savings is only relevant in terms of accounting for the cap (not in actual $ payouts by the owner to players). The signing bonus money is paid out immediately in full amount by all teams to players signing contracts (Wallace got all of his signing bonus money already). The rest of it is paid out in base salary during the first 2 playing seasons.

    • Mike E. says:

      OK, so Wallace counts $12M against the cap if we cut him before June, and $9.6 after June 1st. I’d hardly call that a “savings”

  152. finfanrob says:

    i am not the player guru you guys are. hell i am just here to make a fool of myself. but what is it with cutting wallace? what is the purpose? isnt he one of if not the best wr on the team? he is paid, already has a huge cap hit, so what is to gain buy cutting him? it just means another place to start over.

    • stangerx says:

      It makes no sense from a dollars and sense view. Only reason to do it is if he just has to go. Next year…….then it will be different.

  153. Mike E. says:

    Wheeler, at least monetarily, doe not make sense to cut.

  154. finfanrob says:

    stang

    but why would he ‘have to go’? why? cause of the last game of the season. hell who hadnt given up?

    • stangerx says:

      For whatever reason, he went out at halftime. Not just lack of effort, but he got yanked supposedly for refusing to play. Even if it was a spat with Philbin…….he still wasn’t there. So if the blood is bad enough, might be we just can’t keep him.

  155. olddolphan says:

    WARREN (I’m A) SAPP was arrested early today in Phoenix for soliciting a prostitute and, later, assaulting 2 female police officers. –This is yet ANOTHER episode in the life of a man WHO WAS BOOED IN HIS HOME STADIUM when he was placed in the Buccaneers Ring of Fame the night the Bucs hosted the Dolphins two years ago. –SAPP, who was forced to file for bankruptcy two years ago, has a long history of anti-social behavior and, allegedly, incidents of abusing women physically. –He finaly landed a job at the NFL Network for $500,000 a year, ONLY TO BE FIRED FROM THAT JOB TODAY!!
    —————
    i’VE BELIEVED that some of the “Bad Boys” who played for the U. of Miami in the ’80’s and ’90’s were unfairly criticized for their brash behavior. But NOT in the case of SAPP. –This guy deserves serious jail time. And it’s my guess that’s just what he’ll get from some judge in Arizona!

    • steveccnv says:

      Tell us how you really feel OD 😛

    • stangerx says:

      OD — don’t know enough to say he should get lock down time, but do know enough to know he is criminally stupid. How do we even know about this? It is a step beyond the guys who get a DUI driving their Bentleys after a night out partying. Plan the frick ahead.

      • olddolphan says:

        I know at least one waiter who packs a gun just in case he has another “meeting” with Warren Sapp. I’m truly amazed at how unpopular he is in the greater Tampa area.

      • stangerx says:

        Now that is some serious inside scoop. He seems so affable on TV. Always sorta though about him like an NFL Barkley….but then he’s got in some stuff too.

  156. dbolt48 says:

    Fuck Wallace that💩

  157. jahndoh says:

    Mike E,
    I’m not sure you’re understanding the Wallace cap implications properly. Dead money is just an accounting measure. Quite simply, the cap savings by cutting Wallace Pre-June 1 is 2.5Million, cutting him POST June 1 is 6.9Million (although the difference will be made up in subsequent years). There is no scenario where CUTTING Wallace= LOSING cap space. We can only remain where projected (by keeping him) or GAIN cap space by cutting him. I personally don’t have an opinion. If the coaches and Tannehill and the team feel he makes them better as a group, keep him. If not, cut him and don’t look back. They can make up his production easily IMHO by getting a young burner and spreading his other production to the veterans we already have on this team. Everyone talks about Hartline, but his production this year was GIVEN to Wallace. It can be given back.

    I know you’ll say no one can give us 10 TDs, but if Hartline gives us 4, the Other 6 can easily be distributed to Landry, Clay, Tannehill (he can easily add a couple more TDs with his feet), Miller, and one or two other guys.

  158. Randy says:

    I think we need to keep players who can put points on the board. I wasn’t a fan of signing Wallace but the one thing I did like about him is that he can get in the end zone. This team upped it’s scoring this past year, but we need to find a way to increase it a little more. I’m not sure that happens by getting rid of your top scorer on offense. I’d prefer to find a big WR who can draw coverage, so Wallace can exploit single coverage w/o a safety over the top. It would make him…and our offense….even more dynamic. I know….easier said than done.

  159. Mike E. says:

    Jahn – If he plays, $12M counts against the cap. If we cut him before June 1st, he counts as $12M against the cap. If we cut him after June 1st, we save $2.5M of that $12M. Is that not correct?

    • jahndoh says:

      I’m not following you. It’s really easy math. What is our cap situation if we keep him? If we cut him Pre-June1, or Post June 1.

      Answer: Projected cap space is unchanged if we keep him. There’s 2.5 million MORE cap space if we cut him pre-June1 and 6.9Million MORE cap space (for 2015) if we cut him POST June 1. I don’t advocate that though for well discussed reasons.

      I think you’re mixing the numbers around too much. It’s really simple. Cut him and we will have MORE cap space in 2015 then if we keep him.

  160. jahndoh says:

    Stanger, I dont’ see Wheeler and Wallace in the same camp at all. One of them produces, the other doesn’t. But the one who produces also gives headaches, and can save you more cap space by cutting him. The only way you save any cap space by cutting Wheeler is to designate him post June 1st, then you save 3M, but he’ll still have dead money vs. the cap in 2016 as well.

    I think they are similar this way though: Both are vulnerable. For different reasons, but I wouldn’t be buying any extra S. FL property this spring if I were either of them.

  161. finfanrob says:

    randy

    didnt you mean to add that wallace can exploit single coverage if the fins get a half way decent qb to get him the ball

  162. Randy says:

    Jahn,
    I’m not sure it’s as simple as just spreading those TDs around to other guys. some guys simply have a knack for getting in the end zone. Wallace has done it, basically, his whole career. I like Hartline, but he has never shown he can score a lot…and he has been targeted plenty over his career. i’m not sold on keeping Wallace, but I don’t think you just replace his production. It sounds nice, but I don’t think it’s that simple. I also don’t think Clay’s slip in production was because of an injury. I think teams learned how to contain him somewhat once he showed he can make plays. Teams will continue to focus on him….especially if a guy like Wallace isn’t on the team.

  163. jahndoh says:

    I think I’ll throw out the numbers to be as clear as possible.

    Wallace’s Cap number for 2015 is 12.1 Million
    If he were cut before June 1st, he will SAVE us 2.5 Million in cap space (we save the 12.1, but get charged 9.6 in “dead cap space”, net 2.5Million in cap savings.

    If he’s designated Post June 1, we save the 12.1M, but only get charged 5.2Million in dead cap space, with another dead cap charge in 2016.

    I may be misunderstanding you Mike. Apologies if so. If I were to cut him, (again, it’s not up to me and I have no opinion because it’s such a tough case) I would not advocate doing it Post June 1, because the cap savings difference (4.4M) will affect the 2016 cap as well. I’d just bite the bullet.

    I’ve always felt if they can repair the relationships, I’d like to see him remain a fin.

  164. Randy says:

    ffr,
    I’m not talking about Tannehill. People around here are just insane about him and what he does. Lol

  165. jahndoh says:

    Randy,
    I admit it’s easy for me to just say spread the production around, but I remember actually having this discussion with Omar when we lost both Taylor and Porter (I think it was) in the same offseason. He was all worried about how we’d make up for 20 sacks. The next year we actually made up for all 20 of them and then some.

    But I admit, it’s easy to assume it can be done, but it’s also not a sure thing Wallace gets 10TDs or more next season. It was, afterall, his best TD output of his career. This is where I worry about his head and it getting in the way of the team. Because his production wasn’t as glamorous as he wanted he quits on the team in week 17? That’s pretty shallow right there.

    • jahndoh says:

      I definitely and strongly disagree about the reason for Clay’s production slip. I think it’s incredibly obvious it was because of his injury. By late in the season he started to look like his old self.

      JMHO of course.

      • olddolphan says:

        TOTALLY agree with you re: Clay. –He’s one guy the front office needs to reward.

      • professor lou says:

        I’d have to agree with that. Clay’s production slipped a little and you’d have to put it on his injury because defenses really didn’t shut him down completely. Hartline, on the other hand, stunk it up last season. You have to wonder the reason. Couldn’t get open or what? Landry outperformed every other receiver except for Wallace.

  166. olddolphan says:

    YOUNG STANGER: -Just had a conversation with my next door neighbor who had an incident with SAPP several years ago here in Tampa. –Seems like my neighbor sold SAPP a couple of jet skis and SAPP returned a few days later for some reason. -My neighbor asked if SAPP would autograph a plain sheet of paper for my neighbor’s father-in-law and SAPP turned it into a big incident totally unnecessarily. –He said, “I’m not surprised at all SAPP got in trouble with the cops again. When he was still playing, the cops used to let him skate. –But NOT anymore!”

  167. jahndoh says:

    This may help a little bit. When the blue number exceeds the red number, the result of cutting the player= extra cap space. When the red number is bigger then the blue number, cutting a player=Less cap space.
    http://tinypic.com/r/91atc5/8

  168. jahndoh says:

    Doh! Hoping it would post as an image, lets try again:

  169. professor lou says:

    Hardly comparing apples to apples when talking Misi vs Albert. Has Albert had injury issues? Yeah, you can definitely say that but the difference is during the time Albert is in the lineup he’s making a significant contribution to the success of the team whereas Misi has not and has never made that kind of contribution. Misi is a backup at best and for what we’ve got invested in him that has never materialized we should have looked elsewhere long ago. Maybe he is my whipping boy but I can’t ignore the fact the guy was taken early in the 2nd rd and hasn’t done shit for this team since he’s been there. That’s exactly the reason why I’m beginning to jump on Jordan as well. He’s a #3 overall and this is the season he needs to make a huge jump because, if he doesn’t, he could end up being another wasted pick.
    As far as other leaving here and going on to be successful elsewhere that was true for awhile but take a look at the number of players this team has drafted that are no longer here and have gone on to do NOTHING with anyone. What about all of the players we could have had in the draft but passed over and have gone on to be successful with other teams? Doesn’t THAT bother anyone? I sat here at the beginning of the season being positive about the o-line, d-line, db’s, rb’s, wr’s, etc saying how deep we would be at those positions based on what we brought in and we end up 8-8 again. I know, it was injuries. But, the d-line stayed in tact during the season and Jenkins actually played very well and we got shredded in the run game. It was the db’s that had the injuries.
    Yeah, we need to build on things and be positive about the way we do things from a team perspective but even some of the players. like Wake or Odrick, have said it’s addition thru subtraction or time to trim the fat.
    I’ve been saying it for at least 4 years now this team isn’t going to do anything as long as it keeps players around who contribute little to it’s success and every year we watch these players make the team and the team does nothing. But, I’m being vindictive.
    Here’s my list of guys that need to go:
    Wilson
    Trusnik
    Misi
    Colledge
    DT3
    Matthews
    Stanford
    Gillislee
    Garner was on my list but he appears to no longer be with the team. The list has grown smaller since last season but, nonetheless, we need to find people to replace every one of them.

    • jahndoh says:

      This is why I don’t want to talk Misi with you. You’re not open minded.
      “whereas Misi has not and has never made that kind of contribution.”

    • jahndoh says:

      Several of those players have been valuable contributors as backups. No team is going to staff 53 NFL level starters. Guys like Stanford might be the guy who gets a game winning superbowl interception for you (or Michael Thomas perhaps).

      • professor lou says:

        Thomas may contribute as a backup but Stanford is like a deer in the headlights when he’s out there.

  170. finfanrob says:

    randy

    i hear you there. people get crazy talking about tanny. i mean it isnt like he plays on the oline and deserves all the attention. lol

  171. Randy says:

    Jahn,
    Clay himself said his issues weren’t related to injury. Maybe he was lying. I saw teams play him differently late in 2013 and last year. I’m not sure how that can be discounted as a possible contributing factor.

    • jahndoh says:

      I thought you never believe what coaches and players have to say…lol…double standard much.

      I was very forthcoming with the JMHO, but if you want to get nasty and condescending well, we’ve been down that road.

    • olddolphan says:

      IF MY production as a player resulted from an injured knee or ankle, I’m SURE I’d tell everybody my ankle/knee is far less than 100 per cent. Ya, right I would!! –NOBODY targets specific areas of a player who is injured.

    • professor lou says:

      this is where it’s on Lazor to do something to be creative in order to get him the ball. Clay is a versatile guy and is definitely a good weapon to have on offense. I think part of it was Tannehill learning the new offense as well. 2nd year in the offense should be better and he should be able to make the reads easier and spread the ball around more.

  172. Randy says:

    ffr,
    Stop trying to get me in trouble. I’m being good.

  173. Randy says:

    Jahn,
    How is that nasty and condescending? I simply said Clay himself said his health wasn’t an issue. I didn’t say it. He did.

    I’m gonna take my leave…I just have no desire to partake in this sorta thing. It’s tiresome. No hard feelings….just not interested in chatting when it turns this direction. Not overreacting…just chose not to spend my time in that fashion. Peace, Jahn.

    • jahndoh says:

      “maybe he was lying”.

      I guess that wasn’t condescending at all though right? LOL…don’t bother with the denial. I’m not buying it anyway. See ya.

  174. Randy says:

    And, for the record, I have always been a Clay supporter. I wasn’t trying to rip the kid.

  175. jahndoh says:

    Maybe on Stanford, Pro-Lou, I’m not going to bat to try and defend backup players to you though, I’m just saying that you need them on any football team, and you can’t automatically assume you can just cut and voila, guaranteed improvement when their replacement rolls into town. If you can do it, you’re better then 100% of the NFL talent scouts who get paid for a living.

  176. jahndoh says:

    Cheers OD, glad to see we’re of the same mind with Clay.

    Wallace, meh, I think I could say “good organizations know when to cut their losses” (Patriots with Randy Moss, Seahawks with Percy Harvin) and it’d be just as true. Guy gave up on the team (other players observations, not mine) in week 17. That’s a pretty grave sin in my book. But I still feel it’s as simple as: Do the coaches, Tannehill and players feel like the relationship is repairable? If so, he’s certainly talented, and I’d welcome him here.

  177. wyoming85 says:

    Q Ryan – Some guy named Randy on a blog said you BLOW CHUNKS
    A Well lets see
    I make millions
    I TAP this

    What was the question again?

    😉

  178. professor lou says:

    Here’s another example of what I’m talking about with players who are injured. Gillislee had 6 rushes for 21 yds in one game in 2013 and hasn’t done anything since. I know, he was injured in 2014. But, we’re supposed to keep the guy around this year and not worry about trying to find anyone to replace him because he was injured and that’s why he didn’t have any production.
    That’s the kind of mentality this team has had for too long. I’m hoping the mentality isn’t there anymore with Hickey at the helm.
    Contrast that to udfa Damian Williams who has 36 rushes for 122yds and 21 receptions for 187 yds and 1 td plus his impact on st’s with ff’s and 5 kickoff returns for 102 yds. Now, that’s contribution made and it’s made from an udfa.
    Now, back to my whipping boy. Jenkins had 110 tackles last season with 2 ff and 3.5 sacks. 110 tackles is 42% of Misi’s entire production since he’s been with the team and he’s been with the team 5 years. Jenkins wasn’t even a starter last season and he’s a 4th rd draft pick. So, for those who say we can’t replace Misi I’d say that there’s a much better chance of finding a guy in the 3rd or 4th rd of this year’s draft who can play MLB better than Misi can.

  179. The Flying Pig says:

    Lou

    Do any of those guys really save us much salary cap room

    Maybe Misi…

    • professor lou says:

      You can’t equate salary cap with success. It’s about the talent that’s on the team. It’s not about saying, “well, if we let that guy walk it really doesn’t save us much space under the cap so we may as well keep him even though he’s not doing much to make us better.”
      I just want to get better so whether the guy is making millions or thousands doesn’t matter to me. It’s what he brings to the table that matters. How much will he help the team.
      Ireland made too many mistakes in the past and we’re still paying for it with the cap situation we’re looking at this year but I think you can find players who you can pay as much or less in some situations who will help your team win because they are better players.

  180. The Flying Pig says:

    Jahn
    I suspect The coaches and Qb aren’t holding grudges against Wallace

    I think they are over the final game
    But they want him to care

    At the end of the day I think it’s a business decision

    Namely will some one give up good value for Wallace

  181. jahndoh says:

    Lou, I dont’ deny that a team needs an attitude of constant improvement, but where we disagree is you seem to think the team hasn’t tried to improve year over year, and I just don’t think that’s the case. Every season there will be players replaced, some of those will turn out to be good decisions, some won’t. But until you’re talking very specifically about WHO replaces WHOM (not sure which was proper diction, so I used both), it just comes off as a hit list. Here’s the guys I ax.

    You don’t get better MERELY by axing players. So talk to me about who you replace with whom, and I’m all game to discuss in. In some of those cases I’ll agree, others I won’t, but it’d be interesting anyway.

  182. jahndoh says:

    Piggy,

    I think we’ll see. I don’t know if they’re past it or not. Pretty serious incident IMHO.

    I’m going on record with this prediction, he won’t be traded. I could be wrong, but that’s my prediction. Troubled, with a 14M price tag in 2016 and 2017. I don’t know who has the cap space and would still give up compensation for him.

    If he’s cut, it’s about his attitude IMHO, so we’ll see what happens. I would not saddle Tannehill with his attitude for another year unless Tannehill BELIEVES with all his heart, that Wallace makes him better. It’s time to get behind our QB, and allow him to lead. He’s going to be the biggest contract on the team soon enough. We’re all in as soon as that contract gets signed. Gonna be interesting!

  183. jahndoh says:

    Lou, it’s like you’re cutting to the 53 before free agency even starts. You DO know we have to field 90 players at camp right? You don’t cut players before camp, unless they are camp churnzone, that means 80th-90th best player on the roster. You’re doing it backwards. Replace guys first THEN cut them. Only money can dictate anything else.

    • professor lou says:

      It’s not what I was getting at. More than anything I’m just saying that these guys need to be replaced and maybe you can argue it’s easier said than done but you’ve got teams who excel at finding talent and others who don’t. I think some are very good at it and some aren’t so good at it but then I think there are teams who are just complacent and think they have the talent on their team and there’s no reason to continue to look.
      That’s where I think this team was stuck at with Ireland at the helm. I DON’T think that’s the case with Hickey because I don’t see him resting on his laurels and I don’t believe that at least half of the guys I mentioned earlier will be with the team this season.

    • professor lou says:

      Shamiel Gary is a perfect example of the type of guy who can steal a spot from someone.

  184. jahndoh says:

    I gotcha Pro-Lou. Makes sense. From my perspective you were just offering a hitlist. But I get where you’re coming from conceptually, even if on certain players (like Trusnik and Misi (I’m baffled on Trusnik to be honest, he’d be one of my priority re-signings, not that I’d give him big money, but Belichick would freakin LOVE that guy)) we might disagree. I get your point.

    • professor lou says:

      If anything, I’m encouraged by what I see on the roster in guys like A. Johnson, Fede, Aikens and some others as far as depth goes. We still have some to go to get there depth-wise, especially at LB and o-line but it can be done. I think we’re moving in the right direction. Not there yet but moving forward. Might not be this year either. maybe next year we’ll have enough of the pieces to challenge more consistently. Hopefully.
      I don’t see anyone currently on the Fins roster who can unseat Trusnik, even Tripp, but there’s some guys I see late or udfa’s that could challenge him for his spot if we were to bring them in to camp.
      I know injuries possibly had something to do with keeping us out of the playoffs but we’re still not there yet. Some of it is youth like with Tannehill, Taylor and maybe Jordan and some of it is talent. I don’t envy Hickey.

      • jahndoh says:

        Well in a way he’s blessed. At least he’s not shopping for a QB in this years’ draft!

        Just curious, was Wheeler on your list? That’s a guy who I think fits your description. We can do better then that IMHO. He’s pretty good going downhill, but it’s more then offset by his inability to backpedal, cover and tackle in space.

      • professor lou says:

        Wheeler isn’t a guy I have a lot of faith in and just like with all of the players on my list he’s one that we could use an upgrade to and just like all of the guys on my list I know it’s not going to happen with all of them because NOBODY is that good at picking talent and I know I have to be patient and realistic. It’s just that if we had started making the changes 3 or 4 years ago under the Ire man maybe we would be further along. The guy was just horrible at picking offensive linemen.

  185. professor lou says:

    Jahn,
    yeah, thank God he doesn’t have to pick a qb this year. Mcleod Bethel Thompson would be starting. lol

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