In the O-line of Fire

We’ve already focused on the linebackers, and safeties, but today we go to the trenches, where the 300 pound behemoths lurk, the ones in the line of fire, whose sworn duty is to protect #17, the QB, Ryan Tannehill.

A lot of people point to the Dallas Cowboys as the blueprint for success for Dolphins Head Coach Joe Philbin. They point to what Jason Garrett did in his first full 3 years (8-8), and then to his breakout year last year with the Cowboys (12-4). Not that the Dolphins roster is structured exactly the same as the Dallas Cowboys at this juncture, but one could easily point to their 1st RD draft choice, OG Zack Martin as the move that enabled the Cowboys to be what they were last year. Martin solidified the O-line, and this allowed the Cowboys offense to perform on an entirely new level. LT Tyron Smith (1st RD ’11)) – LG Ronald Leary (UDFA ’12) – C Travis Frederick (1st RD ’13) – RG Zack Martin (1st RD ’14) – RT Doug Free (4th RD 2007) So you see, the Cowboys have used THREE 1st RD picks to out this excellent line together, along with a 4th RD pick, and UDFA.

The Dolphins line, if projected right now, with what we currently have on the roster, and assuming Brandon Albert is ready to start the season healthy is this . . . LT Branden Albert (1st RD ’08) – LG Billy Turner (3rd RD ’14) – Mike Pouncey (1st RD ’11) – RG Shelley Smith (6th RD ’10) – RT Ja’Wuan James (1st RD ’14). Billy Turner played in 2 games, and did not start either game. Shelley Smith played in 11 games, started 3. Both OG spots, at least as far as I’m concerned are question marks. If Albert is healthy, he’s our LT, Pouncey goes back to C, and Rookie standout Ja’Wuan James goes back to his natural RT spot. The question is, do we need to draft a G in the first RD? Not necessarily, but . . . . If La’el Collins is there at #14, and he likely will be, do you take him?

My reasoning behind why I might do it, is this. We all say we need the O-line fixed, because we were lousy at pass protection, and we couldn’t convert on short yardage plays. We also, unfortunately, don’t know if Branden Albert will actually be healthy enough to start game 1 of the ’15 season, so then not only do we have 2 holes to fill at both OG spots, but now we don’t have a LT either. My thought is that if Albert can’t go early, Ja’Wuan James once again mans the LT spot as he did after Albert went down, and La’el Collins plays the RT spot until Albert comes back. Once Albert is healthy, James goes to RT, and Collins plays RG. Collins is a fierce run blocker, and I think he would help immeasurably on all those short yardage conversions we’ve failed on the last couple of years, as well solidify the line as a pass blocker.

Let’s look at the options available in this years draft . . .

NCAA Football: Outback Bowl-Iowa vs Louisiana State
Brandon Scherff – OT Iowa 6’5” 320

The best OL prospect in the ’15 draft, Scherff will almost certainly be off the board before the Dolphins pick at #14, and most likely, in the top 5 picks. Scherff is real road grader, easily the best run blocker in this draft. He isn’t, however a great pass protector. He’s as powerful as they come, but he doesn’t always get his hands out on defenders, and doesn’t move laterally well, and may be forced to play either RT or even move inside to OG in the NFL.

NFL.com’s Lance Zeirlein rates him tops at 6.45, and clearly, his pass blocking is what keeps that grade down. He will likely be impressive at the combine, as he is a real gym rat and is a very impressive weight lifter, and his leg strength is tremenedous.

NFL comparison – Reilly Reiff

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Andrus Peat

Andrus Peat – OT Stanford 6’7” 316

I know, I know, never again should we take an OT from Stanford! Peat is not Jonathan Martin, so therefore, you have to look at him as an individual, and not from the school he comes from. Peat is most likely the 2nd highest rated OL on most boards, and NFL.com has him as #2.

As opposed to Jon Martin, Peat is a powerful run blocker, and a pretty good pass blocker as well. At LT, Peat struggles with speed rushers. He may, like Scherff, need to move to the right side as a RT in the NFL. NFL.com has him rated at 6.2

NFL comparison – Charles Spencer

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La'el Collins 2

La’el Collins – OT LSU 6’5” 321

Collins is a brawler, a mean run blocking machine. He loves to intimidate opponents, and is a real finisher who plays to the whistle. Like all prospects, he has his struggles, and even though he played LT at LSU, he too will most likely have to play RT, or even move inside to OG in the NFL. I look at Collins, and think of all those short yardage plays we were pushed back. I also like that he’s a big insurance policy for us if Branden Albert isn’t ready, or even worse, if he has a setback. I know some guys say Jason Fox, or this guy, or that guy, but all of those guys didn’t help us last year, and we saw what Ja’Wuan James did last year, and look over to Dallas, and see what Zack Martin did. Sometimes, you get what you pay for. I’m not saying if we draft Collins we’re set for the next 10 years, but we might be. The main reason why I wont be opposed to another 1st RD OL, is because it’s a legitimate need. Yes, there are other OG’s in this draft who may suffice, or maybe even other OT’s, but I love the versatility and meanness that Collins brings.

NFL.com has Collins graded at at 6.16,the 3rd best OL, and most teams boards probably do as well.

NFL comparison – Maurkice Pouncey

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TJ Clemmings

TJ Clemmings – OT Pitt 6’5” 309

Clemmings was possibly a top 20 lock before the Senior Bowl, but his stock may have dropped a bit, after struggling in some individual drills in practice. Regardless, he’s till probably top 5 on most boards.

Clemmings is a very athletic OL who really moves well. What may elevate him still is the fact that he may be the best true LT prospect in this draft. He has the speed, and athleticism to handle the speed rushers, and although he’s not overpowering, he delivers a jolting hand punch, and he plays with a mean streak, so he has potential. Like most prospects, he’s a work in progress.

NFL.com has him rated at 6.14

NFL comparison – Duane Brown

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NCAA Football: Furman at South Carolina

AJ Cann – OG South Carolina 6’4” 311

Cann is the first true guard prospect we’re looking at. Although some are projected to play G, Cann is a 4YR starter at G. Had the agility to be a LG prospect. He is a good drive blocker, but also is excellent at neutralizing the defender, and staying with blocks. One of his weaknesses is once he gets to the second level, he doesn’t always maintain control, and sometimes gets his weight too far forward in pass protection, which many prospects do.

He’s the highest rated OG on NFL.com at 6.0. Most likely to be a starter from day one.

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Ereck Flowers
Ereck Flowers – OT “The U” 6’6” 324

Flowers is a big boy, and plays with a nasty demeanor.  L

ike some of the other prospects I’ve discussed, he’s a great run blocker, but his pass blocking is what most likely insures he’s only a RT, and not LT prospect. Keep in mind though, he did play LT at Miami. He could probably start at RT, but would need work to be an NFL LT. He’s another OL that finishes his blocks in the run game. For those of you who want to improve Tannehill’s protection, not sure Flowers is the man. I await flak from D-Bolt about that!

NFL.com has Flowers rated at 5.97

NFL comparison – Anthony Davis

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Laken Tomlinson

Laken Tomlinson – OG Duke 6’3” 330

4 year starter, and an intelligent player. Not a very athletic guard, but excellent in his pass blocking technique. Get this, he did not allow a sack in the last 2 years! Projecting to the NFL is the big issue, because although Tomlinson did very well on the college level, scouts think he might struggle with the speed in the NFL.

He’s rated at 5.6 on NFL.com

NFL comparison – Chris Watt

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Ali Marpet

Ali Marpet – OG Hobart 6’4” 310

The real knock on Marpet is the level of competition he played against at Hobart (Div. III). He is, however, a very good OL. He was a 4YR starter at LT. Has good foot quickness and a strong leg drive. Technically sound blocker who can get lower than his opponent giving him better leverage. Looked great at the Senior Bowl, played with a chip to prove he belongs with the better competition. Most likely too short, both in height and arm length and will project better to OG.

NFL.com has him rated 5.45

NFL comparison – Eric Kush (Marpet says Justin Pugh)

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Cedric Ogbuehi

Cedric Ogbuehi – OT Texas A&M 6’5” 305

Very smooth athlete who moves well, good foot quickness. Is able to slide step well to meet opponent and maintains good balance. Ogbuehi’s achilles is his playing strength. While he moves well, he doesn’t have the power to beat more powerful opponents, he works hard to sustain blocks and uses his hands well. He played both OT and OG at A&M, and played both well, against stout competition.

He’s the 2nd highest rated OG on NFL.com at 5.9

NFL comparison – Eugene Monroe

If Ogbuehi hits the weight room for a year, he could turn out to be a great NFL player.

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Rob Havenstein

Rob Havenstein – OT Wisconsin 6’8” 333

Havenstein is a big, big dude. He’s probably going to have the longest arms at the combine, and at OT, that’s a real advantage. Moves better than expected for a guy his size. Excellent drive blocker who has good control at the second level, maintaining his balance and hitting targets. Obvious difficulties are he rarely gets lower than his opponent, and he has stiffness in his knees, which Doctors will undoubtedly look into thoroughly. He’s a 3 year starter, who most likely will have to play RT in the pros.

NFL.com rates him at 5.77

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354 Responses to In the O-line of Fire

  1. Rockphin says:

    BIG UGLIES!
    I am NOT opposed to Drafting a very good offensive lineman In the first round to hopefully finally solidify our line. If we could have converted two or three 3rd down and shorts Or had one more second For several pass plays to develop last year We WOULD have been in the playoffs. I know if my aunt had testicles, She would be my uncle. I’m just saying a lot of our issues started with the offensive line And defensive line. Taking two or three big ugly is in the draft this year would not hurt my feelings

  2. Rockphin says:

    As long as we can pick up an inside linebacker and safety And a big bodied wide receiver with good hands With the rest of the picks I will be happy

  3. dbolt48 says:

    Mike E,
    Nice article. No flack from me on Flowers, but do understand all the top tackle prospects struggled with “speed” edge rushers this year. That said I think we need to focus on the 3 OGS prospects in Cann, Tomlinson, & Marpet. These 3 are easily day 1 starters if we don’t land a Vet. They mention Tomlinson holding up against speed, but I’ll call BS on this. I watched a lot of Dukes games the last 2yrs & he was purely dominant. He goes to the senior bowl and pretty much dominates Shelton, who scouts marvel at his speed and athleticism. Those 3 players are plug and play starters.

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  5. dbolt48 says:

    Once again, I did a quick write on another undersold WR if you are interested:
    http://www.finsmob-exoduss.com/2015/02/20/deandre-smelter/

  6. The Flying Pig says:

    Good job Mike E aka Chubby Chaser

  7. The Flying Pig says:

    Dbolt

    Would you be interested in submitted anything for this site?

    • dbolt48 says:

      Once everything starts slowing dow, sure. I told Walker Id throw out some WR articles on non round 1 guys over @ FME. I can look at possibly looking at something else over here as you pretty much got the WE prospecrs covered etc.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        whatever works for you

        whenever you feel like you can, just submit it to our blog email.

        no pressure…we are producing a lot of original material here – but we always invite more

        and you always come up with stuff completelyoff my radar

  8. dbolt48 says:

    @RoadToRadioCity: #LSU OT La’el Collins’ first 40 attempt a 5.13

  9. The Flying Pig says:

    11′ hands are crazy big

    He can proababkty catch a football and a basketball at the same time….lol

  10. The Flying Pig says:

    Off to Court

    will be reading those combine updates
    Catch up later humans

  11. dbolt48 says:

    @TonyPauline: Tyler Kroft/TE/Rutgers strained his ankle during combine medicals as doctors twisted the joint too much. No 40 till pro-day.

  12. dbolt48 says:

    @RoadToRadioCity: #Miami OL Ereck Flowers:
    40 yd – 5.32
    10 yd – 1.90

    Was also the bench rep champ at 37 reps.

  13. dbolt48 says:

    @RoadToRadioCity: #Oregon OL Jake Fisher:
    40 yd – 5.05
    10 yd – 1.75

    6’6″, 306 lbs and he looks pretty athletic for a big guy.

  14. dbolt48 says:

    @RoadToRadioCity: Hey-oh! RT @BryanDFischer: Shaq Thompson will work out at both linebacker AND running back.

  15. getterdone says:

    Flowers topped all OT’s with 37 reps…boy is strong. Seems most all the Canes in this draft class are really good.

  16. dbolt48 says:

    @nfldraftscout: For 10 yard times, “good” for an OL is 1.80. You can consider 1.75 a “wow” speed. Anything lower is insane.

  17. getterdone says:

    Interesting start to the combine. DGB has added some weight, no longer being listed @ 225 but now 6’5 237, that’s significant. He could be a bull in the NFL.

    Also could be a blessing that Perriman isn’t working out, maybe he falls to us in 2nd round or maybe the 3rd, but I see him as a 2nd rounder.

  18. dbolt48 says:

    @nfldraftscout: I’m not worried about Randy Gregory being 235 lbs. He’s a blank canvas. Team will bulk him up to where they want him.

  19. getterdone says:

    Penn State TE Jesse James “could get into the low 4.7’s during his forty and over 35-inches on the vertical jump,” reported TFY Draft Insider’s Tony Pauline.
    James measured in at 6-foot-7, 261 pounds at the combine with 33″ arms and 9 3/8″ hands. “I’m told James has also run good shuttle times in training,” Pauline added. We’d previously heard his 40 time reported at 4.78, with 27 reps of 225 pounds on the bench.
    ________________
    WOW, and how cool would it be to have a guy named Jesse James on your team. Everytime he scored a red zone TD, he and his teammates could act like they’re drawing guns and he shoots them dead…lol

  20. dbolt48 says:

    @RoadToRadioCity: Missed this, Ereck Flowers had a 1.78 10-yard split for his second run. Take away for him so far: he’s big, thick, powerful and quick.

    • D says:

      5.29 40, not that 40 is important lol.

      • D says:

        Trenton Brown has same 40 time and is a couple inches taller and 30lbs heavier. Thats pretty impressive to get that big ass body moving that fast. Should mean he has pretty good power, id expect a decent verticle and broad jump.

  21. D says:

    Big Fattys are slow this year, none of them below of 5 yet lol. Fisher is best so far with a 5.01

    • getterdone says:

      I don’t pay much attention to that…just the 10yd burst off the snap.

      • D says:

        40 does give you an idea of power, leans and explosive burst, but it has tobe paired with braod jump and vertile jump to really see what their off the line burst would be like. Cone drills and shuttle are good to see how well they would pull, and shift in ZBS. Its not a usless stat but its not useful right by itself either.

  22. stangerx says:

    Awesome info Mike E. That’s why I don’t put much effort into draft research……guys like you do it for me.

    And if you spend all the time into something as good as that, “Put a name on it”…….that’s about as good of a Beyoncé impression as I’m capable of. 🙂

  23. getterdone says:

    Strength, punch, hand placement, feet and balance are the most important on the big Chubs!

    • D says:

      I replied above, like i said 40 time isnt irrelevant because it combines some of those skills your mentioning here, it just isnt the end all be all, in fact to really see how a guy would hold up in ZBS you need all of them but all of them as one combined tally vs any one of them individually. ZBS guys just need to be athletic, plain and simple.

  24. dbolt48 says:

    @nfldraftscout: La’el Collins is by far the most athletic of the Group 1 linemen. Killing folks.

  25. getterdone says:

    TJ Clemmings looks like he could do a position switch to DE….lol

  26. stangerx says:

    Any of you guys know where AJ Cann is projected to go? Sounding like he might be on our radar after a trade down.

    • Al in MIA says:

      nfldraftscout has him as the top OG available and has a solid 2nd RD grade (top 50 player)

      • stangerx says:

        Then sounds like he is the G I’d like in the 2nd…….that’s my ideal spot at least. 1st is too high and 3rd too low. So it’s the Goldilocks spot, as would be low first if we end up there.

  27. Al in MIA says:

    Football Outsiders ‏@fboutsiders 7m7 minutes ago

    How do you measure player toughness, what if Brett Hundley had played at Oregon, and other draft questions. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2015/futures-inner-game-and-2015-class

  28. Al in MIA says:

    Collins (LSU) has always had top 15 talent but the real issue is character concerns.

  29. D says:

    stangerx says:
    February 20, 2015 at 10:11 am
    Any of you guys know where AJ Cann is projected to go? Sounding like he might be on our radar after a trade down.
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    Looks like people are cooling towards him right now. I am not sure why but im beginning to think possibly round 2 now.

    • stangerx says:

      Thanks (and should have said that to Al as well). Don’t know the player but, as I said above, the type of place where I’d like us to pick a G.

  30. Al in MIA says:

    Stanger,
    You want OG value you go for Ali Marpet.
    Tomlinson I like better than Cann.
    Of the guys listed in this blog entry, I like Marpet, Tomlison, Ogbuehi the most. Mcann i don’t mind either but i’ve always been iffy about Spurrier’s scheme.

    • Al in MIA says:

      Eh, don’t know how I got an M in there….obviously Cann is what I meant (must be baseball season lol)

    • stangerx says:

      My learning continues. Just like to hear we have options, even if a real possibility is that we won’t be looking for Gs that high after FA……which is part of the reason I save my real draft prep (as much as it is) till after that.

  31. Al in MIA says:

    The 3rd RD has been the jinx round for Miami.
    Parcells/Ireland woes there are well documented but Hickey took Turner there and while I feel great about him, he didn’t get on the field last year (yes, injuries happened but I’m a “excuses are like assholes, everyone’s got em” kinda guy).

    • stangerx says:

      The sign on the window for Turner was raw with potential. So not a great surprise. Different sign for Dallas Thomas though.

  32. getterdone says:

    Arie Kouandjio from Bama & John Miller Louisville, are intriguing as well if we go other positions 1st & 2nd, those are the types that could sneak into the 3rd, maybe even FSU’s Tre Jackson.

    • D says:

      Jackson is going to probably be 3-4th. He looked really bad at Senior Bowl…they actually said he “looked like he was on roller skates” in describing how dominated he was by the DL. Im not nearly as confident in him as i was prior to then. I really wouldn’t take him until 4th, and i think i prefer the Tenn. State kid Myers, better than him.

  33. D says:

    Al in MIA says:
    February 20, 2015 at 10:12 am
    Football Outsiders ‏@fboutsiders 7m7 minutes ago

    How do you measure player toughness, what if Brett Hundley had played at Oregon, and other draft questions. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2015/futures-inner-game-and-2015-class
    —————————————————————–
    I agree with these kinda of questionings and stuff, and its why the interviews are so important. You can glean more from asking the right questions than you could looking at film. You should be mindful of talent around a player, and you should try to find common opponents so you get a better basis on oyur study, but you want to know how ood a guy is i think biggest thing is to see what drives him, and how he is made up, and you can get a lot of that from talking to them.

    Example, i listened to Mariota’s interview yesterday and after that i am even more certain he is the better guy than Winston. Athletically, no doubt, Winston is better, but after the interview i get the feeling that Mariota is a calm and collected dude. He needs to improve as a QB but he knows what he needs to work on, he admitted to his weaknesses and had a plan for improving them. His vocal inflections never changed during the interviews and he never had long pauses nor did he interject the same canned responses every time. To me that says this dude is going to play with poise, he wont get rattle easily, he has enough confidence to handle the position and he is humble enough to kow your never perfect and you constantly need to refine. He hit a ton of markers i would have been looking for from an interview. Im not saying my position has changed and he will be a stud in the NFL but i definitely think he could start right off and survive, even if he might be better off getting a few games as an observer to start out with. He’s going to continually improve until he hits his ceiling which probably is lowers than Winstons, but when Winston does interviews he just confirms to me, he will never reach his.

  34. Al in MIA says:

    Oliver Thomas ‏@OliverBThomas 13m13 minutes ago

    Patriots offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo directing a drill at the combine.

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    SMH….The NFL should ban Patriots coaches from these events. I’m tired of the cheating/espionage ways.

  35. Al in MIA says:

    Stanger,
    All 3rd RDers come with non starter type labels.
    traditionally only RD 1 and 2 players are considered starter ready.
    Everyone beyond that is considered a non starter in YR 1.

  36. getterdone says:

    Keep an eye on the Utes Jeremiah Poutasi…he’s started a lot of games for them as LT, also played RT, but projects to make a good Guard in the NFL that could help on the ends if someone went down with injury.

  37. getterdone says:

    D, yeah Jackson was just pure raw power @ FSU and got away with it. That power will make him dominant in the NFL once/if he picks up good technique from a guy like Benton.

  38. getterdone says:

    Washington LB Shaq Thompson will also work out at RB.
    Thompson, per Daniel Jeremiah, previously stated he would not go through RB drills. Something changed, and it might have involved Thompson’s representation.
    ___________________________________
    As I’ve said before….I’LL PASS!

  39. Al in MIA says:

    GDP,
    I’m intrigued by Miller (louisville) as well but seems a bit on the fat side for ZBS?

  40. stangerx says:

    “All 3rd RDers come with non starter type labels.
    traditionally only RD 1 and 2 players are considered starter ready.”

    Al — but position matters too. You pick a safety in the 3rd and that guy better be starting pretty quick or he is a disappointment. Guard isn’t quite like that, but it is pretty close.

  41. stangerx says:

    AS if we didn’t already know Bellicheck was conceited.

  42. getterdone says:

    Satan & his QB’s…LOL

    Alabama QB Blake Sims will also test at RB at the NFL Combine.
    Sims has outstanding phone booth movement in the pocket for a quarterback, and he actually began the early portions of his career at RB and WR.

  43. getterdone says:

    Jamon Brown is the other Louisville OL I’m watching.

  44. stangerx says:

    Tried posting this with just the pic and got “your comment is awaiting moderation.” Unless I pissed someone off, assume it was the source. Anyhow, Belicheck showed up at the combine wearing a sweatshirt with his name in big letters on the front. Ego much?

    http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/2/20/8075127/total-bill-move

  45. Al in MIA says:

    Stanger,
    Not really, a safety in the 3rd round is a player in the 3rd round and not deemed starter ready from day 1. Efforts in scouting is very important of course and people who are starting day 1 outside of Rd 1 and 2 is a product of great fitting of scout work by GM vs coaches scheme.

    Don’t take my word for it, look at this statistical analysis…
    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/digging-deeper-into-draft-probabilities/
    As you can see on the chart somewhere 1/3 down the page, the probably of a pick selected 67th overall to 86 overall is 12.5%.

    • Al in MIA says:

      er, probability to start in his first year.

    • stangerx says:

      I get the overall point, but that doesn’t separate by position. And day one or not, wouldn’t you expect a safety taken in the third to be more likely to get a non-injury start before say a QB taken in the same spot?

  46. getterdone says:

    Larry Fitzgerald’s new two-year, $22 million contract with the Cardinals contains a no-trade clause.
    As all of Fitzgerald’s 2015-2016 pay is guaranteed and he can prevent any would-be trades, Fitz is locked in as a Cardinal through his age-33 season (2016)

  47. getterdone says:

    This is my kinda Combine workout!

  48. herdfan says:

    Stanger: I approved the post in moderation. I can only assume the site thought a pic of BB and RR too obscene to allow. 😖

  49. Al in MIA says:

    Stanger,

    While the chart I’m referencing doesn’t separate 1st year starter probabilities by position, there is another chart in the article displaying positional probabilities of a pick being a 5 year starter.

    Safety position is very average and has a 25% probability assigned for a pick taken 67-86 (8th of all 13 positions shown -> QB, RB, FB, WR, TE, C, G, OT, DE, DT, LB, CB. S). Safeties in the 41-66 range had a 52% 5 year starter probability (big drop off).

    The highest 5 year starter positional probabilities in the 67-86 range?

    OG & DE in this range (67-86) had a 50% chance of being 5 year starters.

    QB were the worst (0%) …we all know why. FB not even rated, CB & RB the next two worst (8% & 10% respectively).

    Anyway, that chart should fit nicely to what you want -> OG :P.

    • stangerx says:

      Great info Al —- slightly different topic, but still very relevant. But that OG is there so high does leave us back to our two third round guards. Maybe they made me gunshy, but if we do draft want a notch higher than that…….and in this case we would be looking for an immediate starter.

  50. Al in MIA says:

    GDP,

    lol @ combine workout.

    That got my attention 🙂

    Tim,

    I hear ya, it’s not about the size of the breast for me ….to me it’s all about the areola. I don’t like big ones.

  51. getterdone says:

    Tim leave Brittney alone!!!

  52. Mike E. says:

    Hey FUers! Work is really eating into my blog time. So the big guys are doing drills today, eh? La’el baby! Not saying we have to take him, but wouldn’t be upset in the least if we did.

  53. dbolt48 says:

    @AbramsonPBP: Texas DT Malcom Brown, potential #Dolphins target? Says he’s playing for his wife and kids, not just him http://t.co/Ikc1EiRVBv

  54. dbolt48 says:

    @willieapreston1: Dolphins meet with ex-UM stars Clive Walford, Duke Johnson at scouting combine – Sun Sentinel (via http://t.co/UePrN7HYqB) http://teamstre.

  55. dbolt48 says:

    @evansilva: #PennState TE Jesse James having nice Combine so far. 6’7/261, 33″ arms, 26 reps of 225, 10’1″ broad jump (h/t @jharrisfootball).

    • getterdone says:

      Wild Wild West

      • The Flying Pig says:

        He can chick check Gronk if he
        He just has to hit him in the balls first

        Seriously Perrymans tackling is a work of art
        It’s not just big hits
        It big clean hits consistently
        It would be amazing to watch him in a weekly basis for the Dolphins

  56. getterdone says:

    Mike E, Believe me, I wanna give Tanny lots of time to carve defenses too!
    But I just can’t get excited about a OL who will be a G for us @ #14…I think that pick can be better well spent at this point in time. Do I want a very solid G, yes, you betcha, but we have FA for that as well as other OL in the draft that I think can end up doing as well as Collins in a G position.

  57. dbolt48 says:

    @RoadToRadioCity: Hot name in the Draft community:
    #UCLA Eric Kendricks came in at 6’0″, 232 lbs with 31″ arms and 9 5/8 hands.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I love Kendrick’s instincts

      Perryman too

      For those two I would say throw out whatever their combine numbers at look at the tape

  58. dbolt48 says:

    @RobRang: WSU DL Xavier Cooper says he is hoping to run “in the low 4.7s” after measuring in a little under 6-3, 293 pounds.

  59. dbolt48 says:

    @RoadToRadioCity: #Miami LB Denzel Perryman came in at 5’11”, 236 lbs. Not positive, but pretty sure he bulked up each year. Now down from Senior Bowl weight.

  60. Mike E. says:

    GDP

    Obviously if we address the OL in FA, we won’t need to draft an OG in the 1st RD.

  61. dbolt48 says:

    @RoadToRadioCity: #Houston DT Joey Mbu came in at 6’3″, 313 lbs with 35″ arms. Longest arms of the DL group.

  62. The Flying Pig says:

    I think Perryman is my favorite player in this draft BTW

  63. The Flying Pig says:

    Dolphins meeting with air of Hurricanes I guess

  64. getterdone says:

    I think someone mentioned Mizzou OL Mitch Morse earlier…he looks the part of a good pulling G in our ZBS, he’s not a mauler, but he’s quick, smart, instinctive.

  65. dbolt48 says:

    Pig,
    I like Perryman a lot. The brute physicality he plays with is awesome.

  66. dbolt48 says:

    Interesting to note that Vic Beasely said we’ve shown more interest in him than any other team at this point.

  67. getterdone says:

    Mike E, correct, and that is why I want to land an experienced proven G in FA. Tanny doesn’t have time to wait for more rookies to get up to speed….we’re still waiting on Dallas Thomas, Turner, and we need to hope James continues to develop and not plateau after teams have a lot of film on him.

  68. dbolt48 says:

    @RoadToRadioCity: #USC DL Leonard Williams official measurements: 6’5″, 303 lbs, 34 5/8″ arms and 10 5/8″ hands.

    WOW!

  69. drg says:

    Nice job Mike. Good stuff.

    Hey Stanger, I was calling for Miami to cut Fields on Twitter. Feel like it’s a waste to pay that much for a punter unless he is elite and the analytics back it up. There is not a huge variance in kicker or punter numbers over a five year span which allows for a decent sampling size. There are a few elites worth paying top dollar to, but 95% of the guys all put up about the same numbers over time.

    Just know that I felt guilty about it the whole time for your sake. Also, it’s snowing(raining) in Utah right now. Maybe some snow for you by next week?

  70. Mike E. says:

    GDP

    I think we also need to have a legit insurance policy against Albert not being ready, so in reality, we may need 3 OL altogether.

    • getterdone says:

      I can’t bear another consecutive year with poor OL play, but when do we stop drafting OL with our 1st pick? I know Chicken or Egg.

  71. getterdone says:

    WOW, whoever keeps mentioning TE Jean Sifrin needs to forget him, he’ll be 28 by the time the season starts and ready to retire by the time his rookie contract is up…LOL

  72. Randy says:

    I keep seeing folks put out their thoughts on our starting OL next year, and nobody mentions Dallas Thomas…..but they name starters who Thomas played ahead of last season. I get the impression the coaches have a different view of Thomas than fans do. After all, they ran him out there game after game last season….ahead of Shelley….ahead of Turner(rookie, yes)….ahead of Fox. It would appear that Thomas is clearly a player the coaches feel is a starter. Fans wanna write him off after 2 seasons where he really only played in one. I think he’s a kid they need to continue to invest in and develop because he’s one of the best athletes on the unit. Personally, I think it takes 3 or 4 years for OL to become the player they can be.

    • stangerx says:

      Randy — Thomas is in the mix, but at best he’ll be in a compete for one guard spot. Not Kreskin, but pretty sure the other will be filled by some stud (young or older) walking into camp at Davie.

    • Silly Tim says:

      I believe he started out of necessity and he played mainly at RT when James had to move to LT. I could see him as the new swing guy at G/T because I’m not convinced he’ll be a starter. That’s just my gut feeling though.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      people want results right away

      but I think if you draft an interior OL in the 3rd round, you have to expect a learning curve

      Same thing with Turner
      Just because the Dolphins screwed up by not developing players prior to Philbin doesn;t mean we must have impact players

  73. Silly Tim says:

    I don’t think it matters that we’ve used 1st rd picks on OL in the recent past. It’s not every year but you get the feeling that it is. Circumstances change priorities though.
    2008 Jake Long
    2011 Mike Pouncey
    2014 Ja’Wuan James

  74. stangerx says:

    drg — I don’t take it personal if you go after Fields. I know last year was an off year for him, but he did kick it in 2nd half of the season. My guess is though that they extend him rather than cut him. Think they see what I have…….but been wrong before.

    And yeah…….snow reports are almost as bad as the 1-15 season. Saw one that said no snow since Feb 9th. Ouch. But hey, will be a good trip regardless.

  75. dbolt48 says:

    @JoshNorris: #Minnesota TE Maxx Williams 2nd forty: 4.77, 10 yd of 1.63

  76. Randy says:

    The draft is all about slotting guys in the right spot. If you have an OG slotted in the top 15….and he’s sitting there for you to pick at #14….it’s a valid pick. Now, that doesn’t mean you can’t pick another position, but if they truly value a guard at #14 then there’s nothing wrong with making that choice. You get yourself in trouble when you start picking guys ahead of where you have them slotted. I think Ireland seemed to do that too often. One year it seemed like every pick he made was a round higher than they should’ve been picked.

    Too me, I don’t care what the position is. Anybody you pick at #14 needs to become a pretty solid, long term starter. If he does, regardless of position, it was a good pick.

  77. Mike E. says:

    Tim

    We paid for a 1st RD pick OL in FA (Branden Albert), but yes, it’s not like we’re drafting an OL in the 1st every year.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      3 first round picks in 7 years is a lot
      if we drafted OL in the first this year, it would be 4 in 8 years

      That is a lot
      Its borderline absurd

      • Silly Tim says:

        I disagree based on the circumstances. Jake Long broke down and left via FA. Pouncey is still a starter and Martin forced us to address the RT position.

  78. Randy says:

    Tim,
    Actually, Thomas played guard…ahead of shelley early in the season.

    • Silly Tim says:

      I believe Smith started first and Thomas started when Smith got hurt.

    • dbolt48 says:

      Nope, Smith started at RG first 2 games and then was replaced in the 2nd half versus the Bills.

      • dbolt48 says:

        Then it was rotating guys in and out until Pouncey came back. Against Detroit Thomas would enter the game then get benched in favor of Garner only to have Garner get knocked out. He comes back in for a play or two then is replaced by Garner who then gets rolled into Alberts knee. This then put Thomas at RT.

  79. D says:

    I still see a lot of value in Cann, but i think i prefer Tomlinson, Marpet and Robert Myers best as a kinda higher round, followed by two potential mid to lower mid rounders.

    Kouandjio like too, and though i didnt list him as one of my favorites i think a lot of him. I think he is better of the two brothers, he just got less attention due to being an OG. He made his brother look better until he had to focus more on his own dude in that Oklahoma game which exposed some of the flaws in his brothers technique. He also has held down his position and played it well through several transitions of the OL talent, and scheme changes, showing adaptability and being the true anchor of what for several years has been a team with a great OL. Only reason i didnt list him is i think he and Tomlinson are going to both be 2nd rounders and if we had a shot at both, Tomlinson is my choice.

  80. dbolt48 says:

    Honestly I have no complaints on drafting OL early every year just like WR.

  81. Silly Tim says:

    Mike E, the OL situation in 2013 changed everything. This is year two for the OL in my eyes. I don’t care about the past before that, it has no bearing on the current situation.

  82. D says:

    I agree with that Randy but you also have to weight certain players. I mean you could wind up with 3-4 guys you have ranked roughly same spot, and at that point it can be a lot about a lot of factors, how fast certain positions are falling off the board, who’s picking behind you, whether or not there is more value in a trade up or trade down, etc. Its morphic and changes with every pick before oyu get to yours.

  83. Randy says:

    stanger,
    I’m just going by what the coaches did and the choices they made. They chose to play Thomas….over other guys. Fans focus on the sacks. Coaches look at all the plays, so I assume they felt Thomas was thier best option, or they wouldn’t have kept running him out there.

    Shelley was, as I expected, terrible in pass pro…but strong in the run game. Fox looked bad or close to it almost any time he played. Turner simply didn’t get much run, but I gotta assume he wasn’t earning it in practice. If he was clearly beating out Thomas, I assume the coaches would’ve put him in. They’ve shown they’re willing to start rookies if they can play.

    • stangerx says:

      I hope Thomas turns all pro, just not waiting on it. Actually have more hope for Turner, but that is only cause he came in billed as a raw rookie and we don’t have as much track record with him. Even Pouncey said we need “guard help.”

  84. Randy says:

    Tim,
    My memory isn’t what it used to be, but I remember Smith getting his ass handed to him and Thomas being put in…and Smith not getting back in until Thomas had to move out to RT….but I might be wrong.

    • dbolt48 says:

      1st Bills game he was destroyed in pass pro at RG. He played better late in the season at LG, but he may have looked better because of how bad Colledge looked the second half of the season.

  85. D says:

    We have need at OL, we have need at WR, we have need at ILB, we have need at S, we have need at CB, we have need at DT, yadda yadda yadda…so having so many needs bad thing is almost everyone will be somewhat disappointed if they have their mind locked on one guy or one positon, but the flipside is, almost anyone we pick is going to help us somewhere. 14 is a pick point at which a lot of people go it kinda sucks because you are at the top getting someone elite, and your not at the bottom not needing such a high pick lol and likely able to entertain more trades. To me i look at it as we have a lot of maneuverability incase of almost any kinda direction the draft takes us. We can flow and roll with it, trade down if we want, etc and also alost anyone we pick is going to help us. Makes it almost impossible to predict a pick but its also kinda exciting knowing we got a lot of good options.

  86. Randy says:

    D,
    Yep, that’s why I said there’s nothing wrong with taking another guy/position….depending on all those factors. But, there’s nothing wrong with taking a guard at #14 if the team slots him there.

    Personally, I hope they go WR or TE, but I don’t care if they take a guard who belongs at #14. I’m just not sure any guards have that sorta value this year.

    • D says:

      Im not seeing a stud OG this year, even Collins who people seems to assume will dominate there, i dont see him having that impact.

  87. D says:

    Randy, you a re right, fans focus on sacks and a lot of other things that doesn’t show the full story of a game or how well a guy played. Thomas had some bad outings, and definitely had some bad plays in those outings, but he had some really good ones against some really good DE’s. I cant comment on Turner since we didnt see him but im of the same opinion as you, he just wasn’t ready to come in or he too would have suffered similar fate as Thomas. Everyone has this inflated opinion of Turner, i just dont understand how they can. Shelley Smith was horrible in some games too, yet he’s better. Thomas god jerked around all season and if ya watch him snap by snap he wasn’t horrible, he just wasn’t as good as we really needed him to be given the predicament we were in with Albert going out.

    • dbolt48 says:

      I have my personal opinion of Turner😆 Mine was formed watching him at NDSU along with his play in the pre-season along with his limited snaps against the Jets. Plain and simply he’s the most physical OL on the team. Turner has admitted that the injury and some technique development held him back. If you go back and look at that final Jets game he dominated in his 12 snaps. Calvin Pace quit coming with pressure. Once Fox was put back in at RT they started bringing the heat from that side again. Turner, I believe, is not only going to start, but will play at a legitimate pro bowl level.

  88. drg says:

    Stanger,

    Miami was top 5 in net punt stats for 2012 and 2013, but they average around 12th throughout Fields career. To me, he’s JAG and should be paid as such. A punter has to be pretty incredible to justify big dollars and the way most teams move the ball these days an extra couple yards in the field position game doesn’t make a noticeable impact.

    Even kickers stats all tend to even out over a larger sample size, but if you find one that is really reliable and consistently puts up numbers from 45+ distance like a Viniateri they are worth the money. Since they moved the spot up kickoff length isn’t really much of a factor anymore.

    I’ll be in touch when you guys get into town. Looking like I’ll be able to swing up for a drink or quick dinner to meet.

    • stangerx says:

      drg — watched him practice and the guy is amazing. We’ll see but bet the three time man of the year from the charity aspect remains on the team.

      And cool that you may have time. Would be great to meet you. Just give the wife’s cell a buzz…..and you know where we’ll be.

  89. Silly Tim says:

    Randy, our depth on the OL isn’t anything to write home about. So Thomas starting over other guys isn’t a great achievement.

  90. Randy says:

    D
    I kinda have the same thoughts about our OL as you posted. But, I do agree that we need to bring in another couple young fellas. I think our depth is weak. Garner, Fox, Smith, Brenner….bleh.

    If it were me, I’d take Scherff, put him at guard and watch him kick some ass. I think it’s possible he may drop a bit in this draft because he has movement limitations….and teams may not see him as a legit LT. Whether or not he will drop all the way to #14 is debatable….probably not likely given he’ll be one of the top tackles in this draft.

    • D says:

      I have read that several people see him as a OG, he will be this years Martin i think, though im not sure if he has the same first year Martin did, but there are never those kind of guarantees with the draft.

  91. Silly Tim says:

    D, from what I’ve read about Turner the coaches feel he has tremendous ability and upside. So I’m riding with the 2nd year jump.

    • D says:

      I dont disagree with that, but im saying He wasnt ready last year and wouldnt likely have provided a boost overThomas. They were smart to hold him out until he got a better chance to get his feet. IM just saying with all the BS about Thomas it always resounds with Turner is much better, and i dont know how you can say that with a guy who showed nothing to support it last year. I do think he will develop into a good if not great player but most here are running wild with speculation over a guy who may indeed turn out just like Thomas, and need even more time to acclimate.

      Understand you have two guys that most are holding one up over the other, that have the same back story and history lol, neither were ready first year, and had injuries limiting them, both were consider good selection in the 3rd round, both are hybrid players that can play each position, etc. So tell me how the belief in both are dramatically different, and have been from the get go. Trust me Thomas was really good at UT, and SEC school, so even his college clout is remarkably similar.

      • Silly Tim says:

        For me it’s a gut feeling. When we drafted him Hickey was very excited about him and Dbolt was big on him before we drafted him. He has that rare combo of natural size strength and athleticism.

  92. dbolt48 says:

    @AbramsonPBP: #Canes LB Denzel Perryman said he’s meeting with #Dolphins tonight

  93. Silly Tim says:

    All that said about the OL, I’ve defended Thomas with patience and I hope he continues to develop and improve. That only makes us better.

    • D says:

      He’s not a toss away guy, there is still a player in there that could at very least give us good depth at two positions. Thats all im really saying too. Turner may wind up being a stater, he might be an all pro, he may be a lot, but that’s all guessing, he may also wind up a very good depth player too.

  94. dbolt48 says:

    @AbramsonPBP: Mississippi State LB Benardrick McKinney says he’s met with #Dolphins, likes LB coach and thinks he’s be a good fit http://t.co/T5Vre47oHk

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I would liek to draft McKinney and play him at OLB

      I wouldn;t mind if our first 2 pciks were Perryman and McKinney!

      Ouch!

    • D says:

      I think he would be too. I think he has some refinement points but all of the ILB’s this year need it. I think the versatility of moving him around is what i like best. He is more natural ILB, but can bring the pain lined up on the outside. Very fast blitzer and when he squares up to make a tackle its a hard hit.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        He’s just not very good in coverage

        and IMO doesn;t have instincts liek Perryman or Kendricks, so as 4-3 MLB I like Perryman and Kendricks better than McKinney

  95. Randy says:

    Dbolt,
    I liked how Turner looked overall against the jets too. But remember….when guys come in like that…defenders haven’t spent the week evaluating him, picking out his weaknesses and figuring out how to exploit them. That’s why guys in those situations can look better than they would otherwise. It’s also why they look good in the running game and not as good in the passing game. He was allowed to just go out there and be physical….which was always a strength.

    That said, he did what he needed to do….we’ll find out if he can continue to develop his technique…because that’s what matters most in the NFL.

    • dbolt48 says:

      Agreed, but he did well when Ryan tested him with multiple blitzers which means he’s mentally well prepared. As you said we went out there and did his job and got it done by whatever means necessary…..which was physically beating down defenders.

  96. D says:

    Mine and Randys arguments are the same i think. Turner isnt better than Thomas at thsi point, so we need more competition for a starter on the OL and if we get that through FA or draft, so be it, we just need more than what we have. Cant really fully count on either of them at this point.

  97. The Flying Pig says:

    Watch this and get excited

    This is the way football was meant to be played

  98. BoulderPhinfan says:

    thomas is not the answer for any of the o-line positions. I don’t even think he’s a capable backup.

  99. Randy says:

    Tim,
    Coaches and fellow players have said those same things about Thomas too. I believe Albert said Thomas was the most physically gifted player on the OL or something like that. It really doesn’t matter unless they put it together on the field. Turner simply hasn’t had the opportunity yet. We’ll know more when we can see him play….until then, it’s just hype and speculation.

    • Silly Tim says:

      I admit I’m positively projecting Turner as a starting guard. I did the same with Thomas last year and he was 50/50 in my eyes.

  100. The Flying Pig says:

    And watch this


    More Perryman

  101. Randy says:

    I’m not tied to any player over another. I just want to start winning, and I don’t care who they have to play to do that. Coaches typically start guys who earn it in practice. I just think we need to continue bringing in better talent. We need to continue to upgrade the talent level on the team….in many areas…so just get it done.

  102. Mike E. says:

    Hey Boulder – Thomas might improve, and it’s likely Garner is gone (Cap cut), so we need a swing player on the line, and THomas can play both inside or out, even if he’s not great, he may be better with more experience and a little more strength.

  103. Silly Tim says:

    Dbolt, Turner is likely to be given every opportunity to start in camp and the PS so I would consider him penciled in as a potential starter but nothing more.

  104. Randy says:

    Not sure the coaches are going around telling reporters who the starters are for next season. Philbin is usually pretty ambiguous on that sorta stuff. Not sure why they’d even make those decisions before the draft, FA and the PS/practices start. With albert’s status in question, this whole OL is up for debate. James might start at LT, an FA might. If james does, who plays RT? Thomas, Turner, an FA or draftee? what’s Colledge’s status? Can they afford to move Pouncey back to center, or do they believe they have to play him at guard because Satele is one of the 5 best and can only play center? Lots and lots of questions.

  105. getterdone says:

    Peeking my head in the blog….is the OL talk over yet? 😉

  106. dbolt48 says:

    The thing I love about Perrymans game is when he hits someone, he causes momentary organ shifts.

  107. getterdone says:

    WTF? They can keep him @ $10M for 1 season…yikes!

    Coach Pete Carroll said Friday that Seahawks are negotiating “in earnest” to keep Marshawn Lynch out of retirement.
    The Seahawks want to keep Lynch and give him a raise. “We’ve had big offers out there,” Carroll said. It’s believed the Seahawks have offered as much as $10 million for Lynch to play in 2015. He’s currently owed $7 million.

  108. D says:

    IMO Marshawn is doing himself a favor right now by retiring. He has had enough with NFL BS, and i dont think thats going to get better next year. Media pounce at that shit so you can bet his QnA sessions arent going to be pleasurable.

    • D says:

      Maybe he needs to take a Rickie sanity break and then come back later, or hell just keep on smoking…i mean sailing off into the distance. He’s going to go down as one of the better running backs so why put himself through that shit.

  109. getterdone says:

    My sleeper has been awoken. I’ve been hot on this guy since Oct of 2014. He will be a mid-later round steal…IMO.

    Georgia Tech WR Darren Waller is amenable to working out as either a WR or a TE.
    TFY Draft Insider’s Tony Pauline passes along the report, mentioning that Waller is prepared to work out at either spot at both the combine and Georgia Tech’s pro day. It’s smart for Waller to take this stance. He was a jumbo receiver in the Yellow Jackets’ triple-option offense, but Waller is an extremely raw pure pass catcher. The tools, though, are ridiculous. Measured 6-foot-6 5/8 and 242 pounds at the East-West Shrine game, Waller runs a 4.54 forty.

  110. D says:

    Saxton ran a 4.65, TE from South Alabama. Walford 4.79…ouch i think thats a lot higher than expected, same for Maxx Williams 4.78. Marpet was only OL to get under 5.

  111. D says:

    Marpet so far has some of the best numbers in every event he has been in.

  112. getterdone says:

    Could Darren Waller become the stud Jeffro thought Eggphew Young was gonna be?

  113. getterdone says:

    Hmm, if we can’t get Clay signed, then there’s always this route too 😉

    According to the player rep for free agent Julius Thomas, Thomas’ late-season ankle injury was later diagnosed as torn ligaments.
    It wasn’t just a high ankle sprain that cost Thomas time and robbed him of his late-season explosion. When Julius’ father felt his son’s toughness was being questioned, Greg Thomas allegedly used Twitter to lash out at the Broncos, Peyton Manning, GM John Elway, and the team’s contract proposals. Per the Denver Post, the sides “seem to be headed their separate ways.”

    • stangerx says:

      Hey — would like to re-sign Clay, but if there is a better option…….business after all.

    • getterdone says:

      I’m good with Clay…he knows this offense, he’s got proven versatile abilities, he just needs to stay healthy and sign a team friendly deal….he’ll get paid, but I hope he doesn’t let his agent get carried away.

      • D says:

        They really are two different types of players, having both types would really complement our offense and also give us the RZ guy we need. I dont think, however that would could afford both, and i think Clay would be harder to replace. We could get a guy like Thomas in a draftee, someone like Funchess, or Waller, etc and get that complement guy at a rookie cost, and be able to use them in the WR spots as well. The Clay replacement guy was in last years draft, i mentioned him about 100 times, but eagles were smarter than us and brought him in (Trey Burton).

  114. getterdone says:

    Damn, I guess GB is going to try and resign FA AJ Hawk then.

    Packers released ILB Brad Jones.
    Drafted as a pass rusher out of Colorado, Jones appeared to be an ascending player in 2012 after seizing a starting inside linebacker job. His play tumbled off a cliff immediately after GM Ted Thompson signed Jones to a $12 million extension in March of 2013. Although he is still only 28, Jones has such bad tape that he may struggle to generate much free agent interest.

  115. Mike E. says:

    Finally can relax for a few minutes, until dinner is ready.

  116. getterdone says:

    D, that’s my thoughts on Waller, get him later if we don’t go Big WR in the 1st or 2nd, but definitely keep Clay, he’s young and worth keeping here since we’ve developed him.

  117. D says:

    Walford had drop on his catching competition, he ran it well, and ones he cought were nice clean catches but he dropped an easy one.

  118. Silly Tim says:

    D, why were the Eagles smarter than us to sign UDFA Trey Burton when we already had Clay? He also did nothing with the Eagles so I can’t say he’s as good as Clay. He didn’t even catch a pass.

  119. The Flying Pig says:

    Here is a photo of the marpet family reunion

  120. getterdone says:

    Walford & Maxx Williams seem neck n neck in the measurables.

  121. The Flying Pig says:

    Wow,this is a reminder that this TE draft class stinks
    Better resign clay or draft one early

  122. D says:

    Mayock just said it was a will below average tight end class

    • D says:

      that doesn’t say to me that you should use a early pick on someone it says to me you should sign clay and pick a developmental guy later

  123. Silly Tim says:

    If we re-sign Clay and we better, I wouldn’t focus on TE in the draft, at least not high in the draft.

  124. getterdone says:

    Right, we got Clay in the 6th round, so if need be, we can always develop another guy like him…who knows Lynch could be that guy. But, yes resign Clay, he’s earned his stay.

  125. getterdone says:

    Tim, yes thanks for the jog of memory…Clay fell to the 6th round not because of talent, but more on not having a true position it seemed at the time. Kinda like Jordan without the lofty draft status…ugh.

    • Silly Tim says:

      I still don’t blame Ireland for trading up for Jordan as a future ‘pass rusher’. Everyone knew he was coming off of shoulder surgery. But year two nobody projected a 6 game suspension. There aren’t too many 6-6 250+ guys who run 4.5 and are athletic on the planet.

      It’s time for Jordan to step up as a player, not on the coaches not knowing how yo use him. Good players make plays when they’re on the field. The ball is in Jordan’s court now.

  126. wyoming85 says:

    Here ya go Tim!
    I know you miss it

    Your score is: 5382 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 14: Cameron Erving, OT/OG, Florida State (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 15: Eric Kendricks, ILB/OLB, UCLA (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Gabe Wright, DT, Auburn (A)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Eric Rowe, CB/FS, Utah (B-)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Anthony Jefferson, SS, UCLA (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 15: Karlos Williams, RB, Florida State (A)

    • Silly Tim says:

      I don’t like Erving at #14.

      • olddolphan says:

        Right now I like Erving at 14 better than I like what Ireland gave up to take Jordan. BTW, Tim, missing 6 games last year is totally on Jordan and the poor choice(s) he made. The fact that Jordan was only a part time player at Oregon should have tipped someone off to the fact that he, Jordan, had yet to prove he could play full time against quality opponents at a very high level. Jordan STILL HASN’T PROVEN HE COULD DO THAT 2 YEARS LATER!! –I’m guessing when all is said and done JORDAN WILL NOT justify what we, er, IRELAND, paid for him.
        ———-
        OUT FOR THE WEEKEND. –Me and Mrs. OD heading to the Palm Beaches for a little work and pleasure. Talk to you folks Monday. –And, Mike, this was another outstanding analysis on your part!

  127. finfanrob says:

    wyom

    that is a horrible draft. you only have one selection in each round. what is wrong with you, you are suppose to trade away and acquire 37 additional picks

  128. Try Pod says:

    So I’m at dinner, and my neighbor calls to tell me I have water gushing over the front front entryway. I get home, he’s been able to turn the water of at the main, in expecting flooding all throughout the house. Nope- a pipe busted somewhere between the siding and insulation board, nothing appears to have happened inside the house. Of course, it’s been so cold were are several deep on the waiting list to get repairs, and usaa is not sure they cover this, but still, we were spared a major disaster. Plumber plans on coming out tomorrow and getting it fixed, my neighbor just told me-he builds for a living and has friends from different industries. He’s actually pulling down my soffeting looking for break.

  129. Silly Tim says:

    Try, did you check out Bruford ‘One of a Kind’?

    • Try Pod says:

      Sorry Tim,
      I haven’t- I had a job interview I was prepping for and a presentation I had to give, on top of this water thing and the sub zero temps, but I promise I will, because Bruford is up there with Bonham, Peart, Carey, Rich and others in my book.

      • Silly Tim says:

        Good luck with the water issue.

        Bruford might be my favorite drummer. Give me a guy who play like him and Bonham and I’m good. LOL

        All those drummers you mentioned are excellent. Phil Collins/Chester Thompson in early Genesis is also very good. Steve Gadd, Billy Cobham, Steve Smith (Journey/Jazz Fusion), Ginger Baker, Keith Moon, Chad Wackerman etc.

  130. olddolphan says:

    SILLY TIM; Reply for you about 4 spaces up the page.

    • Silly Tim says:

      Jordan was ranked top 5 by everyone for upside. Ireland didn’t do anything weird there. To go from #12 to #3 with one of two 2nd rd picks is a steal if Jordan pans out. It’s not a lost cause yet.

      But to help the team in 2013 and even last season, yes, not a great investment.

  131. Ken says:

    Nice Job Mike E. Lets get some OL. Sorry I have not been on much the last few days. Busy at work and some other stuff to take care of.

  132. Ken says:

    Hulk like L’ael Collins. He just what Fins need. Hulk listening to NFL radio recently and Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan have hard on for Collins as well.

  133. dcoralsprings says:

    Big day for WR’s and the backs today
    Hope to see Dorsett shine, really excited for him

    Smoked a very nice 14lb brisket yesterday
    11 hours to get that thing to 210 degrees
    Very nice florida oak smoke ring
    Can you say YUM

    Have a great weekend,

  134. wyoming85 says:

    I don’t understand why folks don’t want the best player available that fills a need?

    Isn’t the how you are supposed to draft?

    Cameron Erving is a little raw for a first rounder I’ll give you that.
    BUT He was the best in his class in 3 out of 6 categories!
    I’ll let the Accountants figure that % out! 😉

    If One of the top OT’s or Erving are there I’d do it in a heart beat!

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/cameron-erving?id=2552240

  135. Mike E. says:

    Wyo

    Am I sensing your lack of love for La’el correctly?

  136. rgs322 says:

    Nice to see the love for La’el. He’s been my #1 O-lineman since November. I had him as my #1 pick for the phins when I did an early mock 2 months ago on the other site. …My dream draft would be to somehow get Collins and Malcom Brown this year. …Also love Maxx Williams if available in the 2nd.

  137. dbolt48 says:

    I see a lot of people questioning Miami’s interest with Vic Beasely & how we have enough OLB’s. Well, there’s a good chance if Miami took him that they’d play him at DE. Similar stature to OV & Wake. He has that really explosive low bend around the edge like Wake.

    • rgs322 says:

      Vic Beasley is a damn good player. …Not sure he’ll be there at #14.

      That’s why I pretty much gave up on getting Shelton, knowing he has no way of getting out of the top 10.

  138. rgs322 says:

    Dorsett had a little stumble and still ran an unofficial 4.35. …Wow

  139. wyoming85 says:

    Oh I like Collins all right
    The Athlete!
    I’m not sure about the person?

    We all complain about the team “quitting”!
    So why would we draft players that sometimes don’t give 100% effort?

    Draft the people you want your team to be like!

    Of course I could be wrong!
    But then again it could really be that simple!

    • rgs322 says:

      I don’t think Miami will draft him if he’s there at #14, but I still love the player. …Nasty SOB and that’s what we need a little of on the OL.

  140. Try Pod says:

    Tim,
    You know, rarely do I hear people bring up Steve Smith, but he is very underrated.
    BTW, Geddy Lee is the first guest of the season on TMS tonight @9, in case you’re interested. I always record them and watch them later.

  141. Mike E. says:

    rgs

    Do you like Paul Dawson if we don’t get Beasley?

    • rgs322 says:

      Yes, very much. Don’t care about his size, he just makes plays. He was on my top 20 favorite prospects list I posted here last month. …Perryman and Kendricks were both on that list too.

      • Mike E. says:

        I would like Perryman or Kendricks as well to play MLB, and I think Dawson could play either, but is likely best at OLB

  142. Mike E. says:

    Wyo

    I totally understand what you’re saying with Collins. I know he plays hard in games, and like rgs said, he plays nasty, which is good, but I’d trust them to vet him correcty in the interviews.

    Just a recent example, but look at Seantrel Henderson, who everyone said was lazy. He started every game for BUF and really showed that wasn’t really accurate.

  143. stangerx says:

    Nice interview on the phinsiders with Todd Mcshay focused on our draft.

    http://www.miamidolphins.com/multimedia/videos/ESPNs-McShay-Analyzes-Dolphins-Draft-Options/31c22b46-20cf-4823-8271-c9f2468a8b5b?_ga=1.99763485.2023638700.1369318491

    When asked to name the deepest positions (but I think that is mainly first two-three rounds) he names RB, WR and edge-rushers. Two of three of those are good for us and the third might offer trade possibilities.

    He also says he wouldn’t touch CB till the 2nd.

    • rgs322 says:

      I agree about not touching a cb till the 2nd. My 3 guys at wr right now are 2nd/3rd rounders too. …Agholor, Dorsett, and Hardy.

      I would go trenches in the 1st all the way, but that’s just me. 😉

      • stangerx says:

        It is starting to look like it will either be one of your trench guys or a wideout unless we trade down (which is really what I’m hoping for).

      • rgs322 says:

        Danny Shelton and La’el Collins are my 2 favs, but Malcom Brown and Cameron Erving in a trade down would be a very close 2nd option for me.

  144. The Flying Pig says:

    What’s up humans and combine watchers

  145. stangerx says:

    Found this list of the QBs drafted in the top three rounds in the last three years. Makes you appreciate how Tanny has turned out.

    Who would you take over him other than Wilson and Luck?

    2014
    Blake Bortles, 1st, Jacksonville: 14 games, 11 touchdowns 17 interceptions.
    Johnny Manziel, 1st, Cleveland: two disastrous starts.
    Teddy Bridgewater, 1st, Minnesota: started by Week 4, 14 TDs, 12 INTs.
    Derek Carr, 2nd, Oakland: starting 21 TDs, 12 INTs.
    Jimmy Garoppolo, 2nd, New England: backup to Tom Brady.

    2013
    EJ Manuel, 1st, Buffalo: benched in 2014.
    Geno Smith, 2nd, New York Jets: benched and reinstated as starter in 2014.
    Mike Glennon, 3rd, Tampa Bay: likely to compete with Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota in 2015.

    2012
    Andrew Luck, 1st, Indianapolis: led Colts to AFC title game in 2014.
    Robert Griffin III, 1st, Washington: solid first season, has declined since.
    Ryan Tannehill, 1st, Miami: Dolphins will decide in May whether to pick up fifth-year option.
    Brandon Weeden, 1st, Cleveland: released and picked up by Dallas.
    Brock Osweiler, 2nd, Denver: the heir to Peyton Manning?
    Russell Wilson, 3rd, Seattle: one Super Bowl ring and one bad pass away from another.
    Nick Foles, 3rd, Philadelphia: perfect passer rating and seven TD passes in a 2013 game.

  146. wyoming85 says:

    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet · 6m6 minutes ago
    #UCF WR Breshad Perriman was not cleared by the @NFL to workout today due to a hamstring pull, I’m told. Should be good by his 3/25 pro day

  147. dbolt48 says:

    Jaelen Strong can officially jump out of Sun Life. 42″ vertical w a 10-3 broad jump.

  148. D says:

    Mayle is very slow. Smith just ran and was slower than parker.

  149. D says:

    Strong had a solid run but parker is faster 🙂

    • dbolt48 says:

      Thing about strings performance shows his physical explosiveness. With good coaching in his route running he has a chance to be special.

  150. D says:

    White runs a 4.35 damn

  151. dbolt48 says:

    TY Montgomery hasn’t really helped himself.

  152. dbolt48 says:

    wow….Strong hit a 4.44

  153. Mike E. says:

    Anyone here know if Perriman isn’t doing drills at the combine, and why?

  154. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I liked JJ nelson’s hands and speed. He could be a good later round pick up.

  155. Mike E. says:

    Funchess 4.7 – Yuck! I didn’t like the guy anyway, but that’s not helping him any, that’s for sure.

  156. naplesfan2010 says:

    Kevin White ran a 4.35 AND put up 23 reps AND he’s 6’3 215.
    Cut Wallace and draft White.

  157. Ken says:

    DGB had a good 40 time. He was in the 4.4s and he weighs 237. He could be beast if he can stay out of jail.

  158. Mike E. says:

    LOL Wyo – Now I see it. Now I’m alone at work, and it’s quiet now, so I’m blogging 100MPH while I can!

  159. Mike E. says:

    Ken

    Besides Landry, the whole rest of the team quit that game, Wallace is just the only one who sat on the bench. JMO

    • Ken says:

      I am sorry I can’t forgive him for taking himself out of a game after his team mate scored a TD. That is being a POS imo. I have no use for him.

  160. naplesfan2010 says:

    What I read was Wallace goofed off in the WR room and did not even know some of the formations because he thinks he’s too good for all that filmroom stuff.
    plus he thinks he is beyond coaching. Cut the cancer.

  161. Ken says:

    RGS is correct. We have no shot at White. Nor Cooper. I think DeVante Parker would be a good target. He is a big physical guy and he ran a 4.5 today.

    • dbolt48 says:

      Strong would be ideal. More natural explosion than Cooper. Nelson Agohlor in round 2 makes way too much sense. Justin Hardy clocked in at 4.56….identical to Antonio Brown’s combine and looked great in drills. Tre McBride solidified himself a spot in the 2nd round.

  162. naplesfan2010 says:

    Before today White was mocked to go 9-12…not too too far from 14. After that 40 time though he may go up to 4 where Oakland is, which might make Amari drop towards us. Cleveland might want him at 12.

  163. Ken says:

    Dbolt:
    I like Strong as well. He would be a good addition. I think he posted a huge vertical today.

  164. rgs322 says:

    These seem to be the 13 players who keep coming up in the first 15 picks of most mock drafts, so we have the opportunity to either draft one of these guys if they fall or have the pick of the litter on the rest of the 1st round talent.

    Winston-QB, Mariota-QB, L. Williams-DT, Gregory-DE, Ray-DE, Fowler-DE, White-WR, Shelton-DT, Cooper-WR, Parker-WR, Scherff-OL, Beasley-DE/LB, Peat-OT.

  165. dbolt48 says:

    Funny thing is TY Montgomery may have sealed his fate as a late round to UDFA.

  166. Mike E. says:

    Ken

    If it was so clear cut that Wallace needed to go, he’d be gone already. I chalk it up to one bad decision, by a talented WR who makes our team better. I can’t tell you what to feel, and vice-ersa, but if we cut him, we just guaranteed that we have to draft a top WR, and we just lost flexibilty, and we may lose out on a top big guy because we had to take a WR early.

    • Ken says:

      I doubt we cut him alright but I would not surprised if he is not on the roster come opening day. I highly doubt it is one bad decision. You don’t pull yourself off the field because your team mate caught the the TD instead of you. that is bs. We talk about wanting a winning culture on our team. It’s hard to develop that when you have guys that pull themselves out of games so they can have a pity party.

    • stangerx says:

      I really want to keep Wallace — the cap just says we should unless they just can’t work it out somehow. Doesn’t mean we can put another horse in the stable though to run his paces until next year when Wallace is cuttable.

      Wouldn’t even mind that guy in the first….even if I think that would mean a goodbye to Hartline and/or Gibson.

  167. Ken says:

    Devin Smith from Ohio State in round 2 or 3. He would make us forget about Wallace.

  168. wyoming85 says:

    Dan Hope ‏@Dan_Hope · 55s56 seconds ago
    Cleanest wide receivers in that on-field session were Kevin White, Tyler Lockett, J.J. Nelson and Tony Lippett. #NFLCombine

  169. naplesfan2010 says:

    We need stars. The problem with the former GM is he drafted a bunch of good players. Only. With some injuries and a little bad luck (or bad coaching decisions) what you get with lots of good players and few stars is 8-8. With a few more stars you get into the playoffs, even if you “don’t belong” at every roster spot, because the stars win 2 games for you that maybe you would not otherwise have won. The difference in 10-6 and 8-8 is way more than two games. It is THE biggest two games difference in the NFL. (For a few teams the big 2 is 12-4 to 10-6 for home-field, but few teams live at that level for very long.) We don’t need players to compete for a starting spot. We need about 3-4 guys who will just walk right in and take a starting spot. 10-6.

    • stangerx says:

      naples — I still like the foundation though, especially with as young as the team is. And I get the star versus base argument, but for me the question is when are you ready to take the risk or spend the draft picks and/or money for the special talent. Truthfully don’t think we are ready to do that yet. In my mind, maybe next year.

  170. dbolt48 says:

    Ken,
    Montgomery only ran a 4.56 and was dropping a shit ton of passes. Showing those inconsistencies that he had this past year.

  171. stangerx says:

    University of Alabama-Birmingham wide receiver JJ Nelson only weighs 156 pounds. He did run a 4.29 though. Smell kick return specialist in his future.

  172. Ken says:

    Gotta run for now. Peace.

  173. D says:

    Parker ran 4.45 not 4.5.

  174. D says:

    Damn mike I know he’s your name broths but is there a synagogue in your future with Wallace lol. Like M13 and Keenum or Patterson.

  175. Silly Tim says:

    I knew Kevin White was a beast. He’s got Julio Jones type talent. I agree he probably goes top 10.

  176. The Flying Pig says:

    David Johnson was pretty impressive

  177. Silly Tim says:

    To my fellow northeasterners, are you getting the snow? It’s kind of nasty right now. I just ran some errands before it go too bad and the roads got bad quickly. Stay inside if you’re getting the shit we’re getting.

  178. Silly Tim says:

    Remember that little dude Foster? we brought in a few years back, he was 5-7 160 or something and ran a 4.3. He couldn’t make it on speed alone.

    • stangerx says:

      Nelson is 5’11 though, but not sure if that makes it better or worse. Might be able to reach up for passes better, but that also makes him mighty breakable.

      • Silly Tim says:

        156 is real thin at 5-11. I’m 5-9 160 though not in that kind of shape. I can’t imagine a guy my size playing in the NFL.

  179. Mike E. says:

    D

    Not sure what you were saying about Wallace. I simply don’t want to cut him. If we can trade him and get a pick or 2, at least 3rd RD pick, I’d do it, but to cut him and get no compensation, and still take a big cap hit just doesn’t make sense to me. I really want some value back for him, or I’m keeping him.

    • stangerx says:

      Don’t think getting a third for him will be possible. Part of why I’m hoping to hear about him and Joe taking a trip to Disney World together.

  180. Mike E. says:

    Snowing here Tim – Probably looking at 2-3″ when it’s all done

  181. Mike E. says:

    Piggy

    Northern Iowa kid?

  182. wyoming85 says:

    Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout · 55s56 seconds ago
    Shaq Thompson would like you to know he’s not a safety. Or a running back. He’s a linebacker.

  183. Silly Tim says:

    Stanger, it might be a good idea for Wallace to take all his teammates to Disney World as a peace offering. He quit on them.

    Mike E, Miller didn’t quit in that game nor did a lot of other guys. Wallace sure as hell did though.

    • Mike E. says:

      Meh, we didn’t really compete in that game, and it wasn’t just Wallace, but whatever. I’d worry much more about it if it were a game that meant something, and it was a game that we were competitive in, but that’s just me.

      • Silly Tim says:

        I think it’s unfair to say quit. I think the defense was spent going in and it showed. That has to get corrected because this team can’t keep falling apart late in the year or the goal with never be achieved. That’s Philbin’s biggest negative as a HC, how his team finishes. If it happens again he’s definitely gone.

  184. Silly Tim says:

    My view on the OL is to add a solid rook from the draft, add a guard in FA who is starter caliber and continue developing James, Thomas, Smith and Turner. A big part of improving the OL is chemistry and these guys now have a year under their belts in Benton’s ZBS. Albert and Pouncey are the vets.

  185. The Flying Pig says:

    Yep mike
    The northern Iowa kid

  186. The Flying Pig says:

    Tim

    It’s snowing a lot in nyc
    Didn’t expect it
    It’s not so cold though

    • Silly Tim says:

      It’s weird, it’s about 25-30 here but doesn’t feel so cold because I’m used to 2-19 lol, and it’s going to be 45+ tomorrow and then back to 15-20 on Monday. WTF?!!!!

      • Mike E. says:

        It’s snowing pretty good here, but this one is supposed to the usual, worse north and west, and not as bad going south, which is what I am compared to you guys.

  187. The Flying Pig says:

    Mike E
    WE were discussi cap room last week
    Finnegan, ellerbee and a few others being cut create a ton of cap room

    Our cap situation is not so bad
    We have to shed some of the fat

    We will defiantly have room for. Good free agent OG

  188. stangerx says:

    TIm — the way I see it is that what happened with Wallace was the heat of the moment, and maybe a fight with Philbin to an extent. Temper has had time to die down. And my guess is his people are saying…….”like it or not but buck up for one season and show what you got — you’ll be screwing up your next contract if you do anything else.”

    • Silly Tim says:

      Very possible, but this is Wallace’s last big contract. He’s signed through 2017 and he turns 29 in August. His biggest asset is speed and when he starts to lose some of it his value will go way down.

      • stangerx says:

        He’s a cap cut candidate next year unless he shows it. Next year he can either earn what is left on his current one or play for what he’ll get on the next one. Either way his performance next year matters millions to him.

  189. The Flying Pig says:

    Karlos Williams ran. 4.46

  190. The Flying Pig says:

    David Johnson

  191. Silly Tim says:

    It’s actually slowing down here with the snow. We were suppose to get 3-5 but not sure that will happen now :). Probably only an inch on top of our 5-6 base.

  192. Silly Tim says:

    Add this to some cap cuts and like Piggy said, our cap situation improves pretty quickly.

  193. Silly Tim says:

    Spoke too soon, now bigger flakes coming down. Oh well, it is what it is. I’m inside, it’s Saturday and tomorrow will be 45+ and melt some of this shit. Then there will be a lot of water everywhere but shouldn’t be too bad. It seems like we’ll get another week of real cold weather and the forecast heading into March looks like more 30s and 40s. We’re getting closer to spring. 🙂

  194. The Flying Pig says:

    new blog up

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