In the O-line of Fire

We’ve already focused on the linebackers, and safeties, but today we go to the trenches, where the 300 pound behemoths lurk, the ones in the line of fire, whose sworn duty is to protect #17, the QB, Ryan Tannehill.

A lot of people point to the Dallas Cowboys as the blueprint for success for Dolphins Head Coach Joe Philbin. They point to what Jason Garrett did in his first full 3 years (8-8), and then to his breakout year last year with the Cowboys (12-4). Not that the Dolphins roster is structured exactly the same as the Dallas Cowboys at this juncture, but one could easily point to their 1st RD draft choice, OG Zack Martin as the move that enabled the Cowboys to be what they were last year. Martin solidified the O-line, and this allowed the Cowboys offense to perform on an entirely new level. LT Tyron Smith (1st RD ’11)) – LG Ronald Leary (UDFA ’12) – C Travis Frederick (1st RD ’13) – RG Zack Martin (1st RD ’14) – RT Doug Free (4th RD 2007) So you see, the Cowboys have used THREE 1st RD picks to out this excellent line together, along with a 4th RD pick, and UDFA.

The Dolphins line, if projected right now, with what we currently have on the roster, and assuming Brandon Albert is ready to start the season healthy is this . . . LT Branden Albert (1st RD ’08) – LG Billy Turner (3rd RD ’14) – Mike Pouncey (1st RD ’11) – RG Shelley Smith (6th RD ’10) – RT Ja’Wuan James (1st RD ’14). Billy Turner played in 2 games, and did not start either game. Shelley Smith played in 11 games, started 3. Both OG spots, at least as far as I’m concerned are question marks. If Albert is healthy, he’s our LT, Pouncey goes back to C, and Rookie standout Ja’Wuan James goes back to his natural RT spot. The question is, do we need to draft a G in the first RD? Not necessarily, but . . . . If La’el Collins is there at #14, and he likely will be, do you take him?

My reasoning behind why I might do it, is this. We all say we need the O-line fixed, because we were lousy at pass protection, and we couldn’t convert on short yardage plays. We also, unfortunately, don’t know if Branden Albert will actually be healthy enough to start game 1 of the ’15 season, so then not only do we have 2 holes to fill at both OG spots, but now we don’t have a LT either. My thought is that if Albert can’t go early, Ja’Wuan James once again mans the LT spot as he did after Albert went down, and La’el Collins plays the RT spot until Albert comes back. Once Albert is healthy, James goes to RT, and Collins plays RG. Collins is a fierce run blocker, and I think he would help immeasurably on all those short yardage conversions we’ve failed on the last couple of years, as well solidify the line as a pass blocker.

Let’s look at the options available in this years draft . . .

NCAA Football: Outback Bowl-Iowa vs Louisiana State
Brandon Scherff – OT Iowa 6’5” 320

The best OL prospect in the ’15 draft, Scherff will almost certainly be off the board before the Dolphins pick at #14, and most likely, in the top 5 picks. Scherff is real road grader, easily the best run blocker in this draft. He isn’t, however a great pass protector. He’s as powerful as they come, but he doesn’t always get his hands out on defenders, and doesn’t move laterally well, and may be forced to play either RT or even move inside to OG in the NFL.’s Lance Zeirlein rates him tops at 6.45, and clearly, his pass blocking is what keeps that grade down. He will likely be impressive at the combine, as he is a real gym rat and is a very impressive weight lifter, and his leg strength is tremenedous.

NFL comparison – Reilly Reiff


Andrus Peat

Andrus Peat – OT Stanford 6’7” 316

I know, I know, never again should we take an OT from Stanford! Peat is not Jonathan Martin, so therefore, you have to look at him as an individual, and not from the school he comes from. Peat is most likely the 2nd highest rated OL on most boards, and has him as #2.

As opposed to Jon Martin, Peat is a powerful run blocker, and a pretty good pass blocker as well. At LT, Peat struggles with speed rushers. He may, like Scherff, need to move to the right side as a RT in the NFL. has him rated at 6.2

NFL comparison – Charles Spencer


La'el Collins 2

La’el Collins – OT LSU 6’5” 321

Collins is a brawler, a mean run blocking machine. He loves to intimidate opponents, and is a real finisher who plays to the whistle. Like all prospects, he has his struggles, and even though he played LT at LSU, he too will most likely have to play RT, or even move inside to OG in the NFL. I look at Collins, and think of all those short yardage plays we were pushed back. I also like that he’s a big insurance policy for us if Branden Albert isn’t ready, or even worse, if he has a setback. I know some guys say Jason Fox, or this guy, or that guy, but all of those guys didn’t help us last year, and we saw what Ja’Wuan James did last year, and look over to Dallas, and see what Zack Martin did. Sometimes, you get what you pay for. I’m not saying if we draft Collins we’re set for the next 10 years, but we might be. The main reason why I wont be opposed to another 1st RD OL, is because it’s a legitimate need. Yes, there are other OG’s in this draft who may suffice, or maybe even other OT’s, but I love the versatility and meanness that Collins brings. has Collins graded at at 6.16,the 3rd best OL, and most teams boards probably do as well.

NFL comparison – Maurkice Pouncey


TJ Clemmings

TJ Clemmings – OT Pitt 6’5” 309

Clemmings was possibly a top 20 lock before the Senior Bowl, but his stock may have dropped a bit, after struggling in some individual drills in practice. Regardless, he’s till probably top 5 on most boards.

Clemmings is a very athletic OL who really moves well. What may elevate him still is the fact that he may be the best true LT prospect in this draft. He has the speed, and athleticism to handle the speed rushers, and although he’s not overpowering, he delivers a jolting hand punch, and he plays with a mean streak, so he has potential. Like most prospects, he’s a work in progress. has him rated at 6.14

NFL comparison – Duane Brown


NCAA Football: Furman at South Carolina

AJ Cann – OG South Carolina 6’4” 311

Cann is the first true guard prospect we’re looking at. Although some are projected to play G, Cann is a 4YR starter at G. Had the agility to be a LG prospect. He is a good drive blocker, but also is excellent at neutralizing the defender, and staying with blocks. One of his weaknesses is once he gets to the second level, he doesn’t always maintain control, and sometimes gets his weight too far forward in pass protection, which many prospects do.

He’s the highest rated OG on at 6.0. Most likely to be a starter from day one.


Ereck Flowers
Ereck Flowers – OT “The U” 6’6” 324

Flowers is a big boy, and plays with a nasty demeanor.  L

ike some of the other prospects I’ve discussed, he’s a great run blocker, but his pass blocking is what most likely insures he’s only a RT, and not LT prospect. Keep in mind though, he did play LT at Miami. He could probably start at RT, but would need work to be an NFL LT. He’s another OL that finishes his blocks in the run game. For those of you who want to improve Tannehill’s protection, not sure Flowers is the man. I await flak from D-Bolt about that! has Flowers rated at 5.97

NFL comparison – Anthony Davis


Laken Tomlinson

Laken Tomlinson – OG Duke 6’3” 330

4 year starter, and an intelligent player. Not a very athletic guard, but excellent in his pass blocking technique. Get this, he did not allow a sack in the last 2 years! Projecting to the NFL is the big issue, because although Tomlinson did very well on the college level, scouts think he might struggle with the speed in the NFL.

He’s rated at 5.6 on

NFL comparison – Chris Watt


Ali Marpet

Ali Marpet – OG Hobart 6’4” 310

The real knock on Marpet is the level of competition he played against at Hobart (Div. III). He is, however, a very good OL. He was a 4YR starter at LT. Has good foot quickness and a strong leg drive. Technically sound blocker who can get lower than his opponent giving him better leverage. Looked great at the Senior Bowl, played with a chip to prove he belongs with the better competition. Most likely too short, both in height and arm length and will project better to OG. has him rated 5.45

NFL comparison – Eric Kush (Marpet says Justin Pugh)


Cedric Ogbuehi

Cedric Ogbuehi – OT Texas A&M 6’5” 305

Very smooth athlete who moves well, good foot quickness. Is able to slide step well to meet opponent and maintains good balance. Ogbuehi’s achilles is his playing strength. While he moves well, he doesn’t have the power to beat more powerful opponents, he works hard to sustain blocks and uses his hands well. He played both OT and OG at A&M, and played both well, against stout competition.

He’s the 2nd highest rated OG on at 5.9

NFL comparison – Eugene Monroe

If Ogbuehi hits the weight room for a year, he could turn out to be a great NFL player.


Rob Havenstein

Rob Havenstein – OT Wisconsin 6’8” 333

Havenstein is a big, big dude. He’s probably going to have the longest arms at the combine, and at OT, that’s a real advantage. Moves better than expected for a guy his size. Excellent drive blocker who has good control at the second level, maintaining his balance and hitting targets. Obvious difficulties are he rarely gets lower than his opponent, and he has stiffness in his knees, which Doctors will undoubtedly look into thoroughly. He’s a 3 year starter, who most likely will have to play RT in the pros. rates him at 5.77

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354 Responses to In the O-line of Fire

  1. Randy says:

    I’m not tied to any player over another. I just want to start winning, and I don’t care who they have to play to do that. Coaches typically start guys who earn it in practice. I just think we need to continue bringing in better talent. We need to continue to upgrade the talent level on the team….in many areas…so just get it done.

  2. Mike E. says:

    Hey Boulder – Thomas might improve, and it’s likely Garner is gone (Cap cut), so we need a swing player on the line, and THomas can play both inside or out, even if he’s not great, he may be better with more experience and a little more strength.

  3. Silly Tim says:

    Dbolt, Turner is likely to be given every opportunity to start in camp and the PS so I would consider him penciled in as a potential starter but nothing more.

  4. Randy says:

    Not sure the coaches are going around telling reporters who the starters are for next season. Philbin is usually pretty ambiguous on that sorta stuff. Not sure why they’d even make those decisions before the draft, FA and the PS/practices start. With albert’s status in question, this whole OL is up for debate. James might start at LT, an FA might. If james does, who plays RT? Thomas, Turner, an FA or draftee? what’s Colledge’s status? Can they afford to move Pouncey back to center, or do they believe they have to play him at guard because Satele is one of the 5 best and can only play center? Lots and lots of questions.

  5. getterdone says:

    Peeking my head in the blog….is the OL talk over yet? 😉

  6. dbolt48 says:

    The thing I love about Perrymans game is when he hits someone, he causes momentary organ shifts.

  7. getterdone says:

    WTF? They can keep him @ $10M for 1 season…yikes!

    Coach Pete Carroll said Friday that Seahawks are negotiating “in earnest” to keep Marshawn Lynch out of retirement.
    The Seahawks want to keep Lynch and give him a raise. “We’ve had big offers out there,” Carroll said. It’s believed the Seahawks have offered as much as $10 million for Lynch to play in 2015. He’s currently owed $7 million.

  8. D says:

    IMO Marshawn is doing himself a favor right now by retiring. He has had enough with NFL BS, and i dont think thats going to get better next year. Media pounce at that shit so you can bet his QnA sessions arent going to be pleasurable.

    • D says:

      Maybe he needs to take a Rickie sanity break and then come back later, or hell just keep on smoking…i mean sailing off into the distance. He’s going to go down as one of the better running backs so why put himself through that shit.

  9. getterdone says:

    My sleeper has been awoken. I’ve been hot on this guy since Oct of 2014. He will be a mid-later round steal…IMO.

    Georgia Tech WR Darren Waller is amenable to working out as either a WR or a TE.
    TFY Draft Insider’s Tony Pauline passes along the report, mentioning that Waller is prepared to work out at either spot at both the combine and Georgia Tech’s pro day. It’s smart for Waller to take this stance. He was a jumbo receiver in the Yellow Jackets’ triple-option offense, but Waller is an extremely raw pure pass catcher. The tools, though, are ridiculous. Measured 6-foot-6 5/8 and 242 pounds at the East-West Shrine game, Waller runs a 4.54 forty.

  10. D says:

    Saxton ran a 4.65, TE from South Alabama. Walford 4.79…ouch i think thats a lot higher than expected, same for Maxx Williams 4.78. Marpet was only OL to get under 5.

  11. D says:

    Marpet so far has some of the best numbers in every event he has been in.

  12. getterdone says:

    Could Darren Waller become the stud Jeffro thought Eggphew Young was gonna be?

  13. getterdone says:

    Hmm, if we can’t get Clay signed, then there’s always this route too 😉

    According to the player rep for free agent Julius Thomas, Thomas’ late-season ankle injury was later diagnosed as torn ligaments.
    It wasn’t just a high ankle sprain that cost Thomas time and robbed him of his late-season explosion. When Julius’ father felt his son’s toughness was being questioned, Greg Thomas allegedly used Twitter to lash out at the Broncos, Peyton Manning, GM John Elway, and the team’s contract proposals. Per the Denver Post, the sides “seem to be headed their separate ways.”

    • stangerx says:

      Hey — would like to re-sign Clay, but if there is a better option…….business after all.

    • getterdone says:

      I’m good with Clay…he knows this offense, he’s got proven versatile abilities, he just needs to stay healthy and sign a team friendly deal….he’ll get paid, but I hope he doesn’t let his agent get carried away.

      • D says:

        They really are two different types of players, having both types would really complement our offense and also give us the RZ guy we need. I dont think, however that would could afford both, and i think Clay would be harder to replace. We could get a guy like Thomas in a draftee, someone like Funchess, or Waller, etc and get that complement guy at a rookie cost, and be able to use them in the WR spots as well. The Clay replacement guy was in last years draft, i mentioned him about 100 times, but eagles were smarter than us and brought him in (Trey Burton).

  14. getterdone says:

    Damn, I guess GB is going to try and resign FA AJ Hawk then.

    Packers released ILB Brad Jones.
    Drafted as a pass rusher out of Colorado, Jones appeared to be an ascending player in 2012 after seizing a starting inside linebacker job. His play tumbled off a cliff immediately after GM Ted Thompson signed Jones to a $12 million extension in March of 2013. Although he is still only 28, Jones has such bad tape that he may struggle to generate much free agent interest.

  15. Mike E. says:

    Finally can relax for a few minutes, until dinner is ready.

  16. getterdone says:

    D, that’s my thoughts on Waller, get him later if we don’t go Big WR in the 1st or 2nd, but definitely keep Clay, he’s young and worth keeping here since we’ve developed him.

  17. D says:

    Walford had drop on his catching competition, he ran it well, and ones he cought were nice clean catches but he dropped an easy one.

  18. Silly Tim says:

    D, why were the Eagles smarter than us to sign UDFA Trey Burton when we already had Clay? He also did nothing with the Eagles so I can’t say he’s as good as Clay. He didn’t even catch a pass.

  19. The Flying Pig says:

    Here is a photo of the marpet family reunion

  20. getterdone says:

    Walford & Maxx Williams seem neck n neck in the measurables.

  21. The Flying Pig says:

    Wow,this is a reminder that this TE draft class stinks
    Better resign clay or draft one early

  22. D says:

    Mayock just said it was a will below average tight end class

    • D says:

      that doesn’t say to me that you should use a early pick on someone it says to me you should sign clay and pick a developmental guy later

  23. Silly Tim says:

    If we re-sign Clay and we better, I wouldn’t focus on TE in the draft, at least not high in the draft.

  24. getterdone says:

    Right, we got Clay in the 6th round, so if need be, we can always develop another guy like him…who knows Lynch could be that guy. But, yes resign Clay, he’s earned his stay.

  25. getterdone says:

    Tim, yes thanks for the jog of memory…Clay fell to the 6th round not because of talent, but more on not having a true position it seemed at the time. Kinda like Jordan without the lofty draft status…ugh.

    • Silly Tim says:

      I still don’t blame Ireland for trading up for Jordan as a future ‘pass rusher’. Everyone knew he was coming off of shoulder surgery. But year two nobody projected a 6 game suspension. There aren’t too many 6-6 250+ guys who run 4.5 and are athletic on the planet.

      It’s time for Jordan to step up as a player, not on the coaches not knowing how yo use him. Good players make plays when they’re on the field. The ball is in Jordan’s court now.

  26. wyoming85 says:

    Here ya go Tim!
    I know you miss it

    Your score is: 5382 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 14: Cameron Erving, OT/OG, Florida State (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 15: Eric Kendricks, ILB/OLB, UCLA (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Gabe Wright, DT, Auburn (A)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Eric Rowe, CB/FS, Utah (B-)
    Round 6 Pick 15: Anthony Jefferson, SS, UCLA (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 15: Karlos Williams, RB, Florida State (A)

    • Silly Tim says:

      I don’t like Erving at #14.

      • olddolphan says:

        Right now I like Erving at 14 better than I like what Ireland gave up to take Jordan. BTW, Tim, missing 6 games last year is totally on Jordan and the poor choice(s) he made. The fact that Jordan was only a part time player at Oregon should have tipped someone off to the fact that he, Jordan, had yet to prove he could play full time against quality opponents at a very high level. Jordan STILL HASN’T PROVEN HE COULD DO THAT 2 YEARS LATER!! –I’m guessing when all is said and done JORDAN WILL NOT justify what we, er, IRELAND, paid for him.
        OUT FOR THE WEEKEND. –Me and Mrs. OD heading to the Palm Beaches for a little work and pleasure. Talk to you folks Monday. –And, Mike, this was another outstanding analysis on your part!

  27. finfanrob says:


    that is a horrible draft. you only have one selection in each round. what is wrong with you, you are suppose to trade away and acquire 37 additional picks

  28. Try Pod says:

    So I’m at dinner, and my neighbor calls to tell me I have water gushing over the front front entryway. I get home, he’s been able to turn the water of at the main, in expecting flooding all throughout the house. Nope- a pipe busted somewhere between the siding and insulation board, nothing appears to have happened inside the house. Of course, it’s been so cold were are several deep on the waiting list to get repairs, and usaa is not sure they cover this, but still, we were spared a major disaster. Plumber plans on coming out tomorrow and getting it fixed, my neighbor just told me-he builds for a living and has friends from different industries. He’s actually pulling down my soffeting looking for break.

  29. Silly Tim says:

    Try, did you check out Bruford ‘One of a Kind’?

    • Try Pod says:

      Sorry Tim,
      I haven’t- I had a job interview I was prepping for and a presentation I had to give, on top of this water thing and the sub zero temps, but I promise I will, because Bruford is up there with Bonham, Peart, Carey, Rich and others in my book.

      • Silly Tim says:

        Good luck with the water issue.

        Bruford might be my favorite drummer. Give me a guy who play like him and Bonham and I’m good. LOL

        All those drummers you mentioned are excellent. Phil Collins/Chester Thompson in early Genesis is also very good. Steve Gadd, Billy Cobham, Steve Smith (Journey/Jazz Fusion), Ginger Baker, Keith Moon, Chad Wackerman etc.

  30. olddolphan says:

    SILLY TIM; Reply for you about 4 spaces up the page.

    • Silly Tim says:

      Jordan was ranked top 5 by everyone for upside. Ireland didn’t do anything weird there. To go from #12 to #3 with one of two 2nd rd picks is a steal if Jordan pans out. It’s not a lost cause yet.

      But to help the team in 2013 and even last season, yes, not a great investment.

  31. Ken says:

    Nice Job Mike E. Lets get some OL. Sorry I have not been on much the last few days. Busy at work and some other stuff to take care of.

  32. Ken says:

    Hulk like L’ael Collins. He just what Fins need. Hulk listening to NFL radio recently and Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan have hard on for Collins as well.

  33. dcoralsprings says:

    Big day for WR’s and the backs today
    Hope to see Dorsett shine, really excited for him

    Smoked a very nice 14lb brisket yesterday
    11 hours to get that thing to 210 degrees
    Very nice florida oak smoke ring
    Can you say YUM

    Have a great weekend,

  34. wyoming85 says:

    I don’t understand why folks don’t want the best player available that fills a need?

    Isn’t the how you are supposed to draft?

    Cameron Erving is a little raw for a first rounder I’ll give you that.
    BUT He was the best in his class in 3 out of 6 categories!
    I’ll let the Accountants figure that % out! 😉

    If One of the top OT’s or Erving are there I’d do it in a heart beat!

  35. Mike E. says:


    Am I sensing your lack of love for La’el correctly?

  36. rgs322 says:

    Nice to see the love for La’el. He’s been my #1 O-lineman since November. I had him as my #1 pick for the phins when I did an early mock 2 months ago on the other site. …My dream draft would be to somehow get Collins and Malcom Brown this year. …Also love Maxx Williams if available in the 2nd.

  37. dbolt48 says:

    I see a lot of people questioning Miami’s interest with Vic Beasely & how we have enough OLB’s. Well, there’s a good chance if Miami took him that they’d play him at DE. Similar stature to OV & Wake. He has that really explosive low bend around the edge like Wake.

    • rgs322 says:

      Vic Beasley is a damn good player. …Not sure he’ll be there at #14.

      That’s why I pretty much gave up on getting Shelton, knowing he has no way of getting out of the top 10.

  38. rgs322 says:

    Dorsett had a little stumble and still ran an unofficial 4.35. …Wow

  39. wyoming85 says:

    Oh I like Collins all right
    The Athlete!
    I’m not sure about the person?

    We all complain about the team “quitting”!
    So why would we draft players that sometimes don’t give 100% effort?

    Draft the people you want your team to be like!

    Of course I could be wrong!
    But then again it could really be that simple!

    • rgs322 says:

      I don’t think Miami will draft him if he’s there at #14, but I still love the player. …Nasty SOB and that’s what we need a little of on the OL.

  40. Try Pod says:

    You know, rarely do I hear people bring up Steve Smith, but he is very underrated.
    BTW, Geddy Lee is the first guest of the season on TMS tonight @9, in case you’re interested. I always record them and watch them later.

  41. Mike E. says:


    Do you like Paul Dawson if we don’t get Beasley?

    • rgs322 says:

      Yes, very much. Don’t care about his size, he just makes plays. He was on my top 20 favorite prospects list I posted here last month. …Perryman and Kendricks were both on that list too.

      • Mike E. says:

        I would like Perryman or Kendricks as well to play MLB, and I think Dawson could play either, but is likely best at OLB

  42. Mike E. says:


    I totally understand what you’re saying with Collins. I know he plays hard in games, and like rgs said, he plays nasty, which is good, but I’d trust them to vet him correcty in the interviews.

    Just a recent example, but look at Seantrel Henderson, who everyone said was lazy. He started every game for BUF and really showed that wasn’t really accurate.

  43. stangerx says:

    Nice interview on the phinsiders with Todd Mcshay focused on our draft.

    When asked to name the deepest positions (but I think that is mainly first two-three rounds) he names RB, WR and edge-rushers. Two of three of those are good for us and the third might offer trade possibilities.

    He also says he wouldn’t touch CB till the 2nd.

    • rgs322 says:

      I agree about not touching a cb till the 2nd. My 3 guys at wr right now are 2nd/3rd rounders too. …Agholor, Dorsett, and Hardy.

      I would go trenches in the 1st all the way, but that’s just me. 😉

      • stangerx says:

        It is starting to look like it will either be one of your trench guys or a wideout unless we trade down (which is really what I’m hoping for).

      • rgs322 says:

        Danny Shelton and La’el Collins are my 2 favs, but Malcom Brown and Cameron Erving in a trade down would be a very close 2nd option for me.

  44. The Flying Pig says:

    What’s up humans and combine watchers

  45. stangerx says:

    Found this list of the QBs drafted in the top three rounds in the last three years. Makes you appreciate how Tanny has turned out.

    Who would you take over him other than Wilson and Luck?

    Blake Bortles, 1st, Jacksonville: 14 games, 11 touchdowns 17 interceptions.
    Johnny Manziel, 1st, Cleveland: two disastrous starts.
    Teddy Bridgewater, 1st, Minnesota: started by Week 4, 14 TDs, 12 INTs.
    Derek Carr, 2nd, Oakland: starting 21 TDs, 12 INTs.
    Jimmy Garoppolo, 2nd, New England: backup to Tom Brady.

    EJ Manuel, 1st, Buffalo: benched in 2014.
    Geno Smith, 2nd, New York Jets: benched and reinstated as starter in 2014.
    Mike Glennon, 3rd, Tampa Bay: likely to compete with Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota in 2015.

    Andrew Luck, 1st, Indianapolis: led Colts to AFC title game in 2014.
    Robert Griffin III, 1st, Washington: solid first season, has declined since.
    Ryan Tannehill, 1st, Miami: Dolphins will decide in May whether to pick up fifth-year option.
    Brandon Weeden, 1st, Cleveland: released and picked up by Dallas.
    Brock Osweiler, 2nd, Denver: the heir to Peyton Manning?
    Russell Wilson, 3rd, Seattle: one Super Bowl ring and one bad pass away from another.
    Nick Foles, 3rd, Philadelphia: perfect passer rating and seven TD passes in a 2013 game.

  46. wyoming85 says:

    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet · 6m6 minutes ago
    #UCF WR Breshad Perriman was not cleared by the @NFL to workout today due to a hamstring pull, I’m told. Should be good by his 3/25 pro day

  47. dbolt48 says:

    Jaelen Strong can officially jump out of Sun Life. 42″ vertical w a 10-3 broad jump.

  48. D says:

    Mayle is very slow. Smith just ran and was slower than parker.

  49. D says:

    Strong had a solid run but parker is faster 🙂

    • dbolt48 says:

      Thing about strings performance shows his physical explosiveness. With good coaching in his route running he has a chance to be special.

  50. D says:

    White runs a 4.35 damn

  51. dbolt48 says:

    TY Montgomery hasn’t really helped himself.

  52. dbolt48 says:

    wow….Strong hit a 4.44

  53. Mike E. says:

    Anyone here know if Perriman isn’t doing drills at the combine, and why?

  54. BoulderPhinfan says:

    I liked JJ nelson’s hands and speed. He could be a good later round pick up.

  55. Mike E. says:

    Funchess 4.7 – Yuck! I didn’t like the guy anyway, but that’s not helping him any, that’s for sure.

  56. naplesfan2010 says:

    Kevin White ran a 4.35 AND put up 23 reps AND he’s 6’3 215.
    Cut Wallace and draft White.

  57. Ken says:

    DGB had a good 40 time. He was in the 4.4s and he weighs 237. He could be beast if he can stay out of jail.

  58. Mike E. says:

    LOL Wyo – Now I see it. Now I’m alone at work, and it’s quiet now, so I’m blogging 100MPH while I can!

  59. Mike E. says:


    Besides Landry, the whole rest of the team quit that game, Wallace is just the only one who sat on the bench. JMO

    • Ken says:

      I am sorry I can’t forgive him for taking himself out of a game after his team mate scored a TD. That is being a POS imo. I have no use for him.

  60. naplesfan2010 says:

    What I read was Wallace goofed off in the WR room and did not even know some of the formations because he thinks he’s too good for all that filmroom stuff.
    plus he thinks he is beyond coaching. Cut the cancer.

  61. Ken says:

    RGS is correct. We have no shot at White. Nor Cooper. I think DeVante Parker would be a good target. He is a big physical guy and he ran a 4.5 today.

    • dbolt48 says:

      Strong would be ideal. More natural explosion than Cooper. Nelson Agohlor in round 2 makes way too much sense. Justin Hardy clocked in at 4.56….identical to Antonio Brown’s combine and looked great in drills. Tre McBride solidified himself a spot in the 2nd round.

  62. naplesfan2010 says:

    Before today White was mocked to go 9-12…not too too far from 14. After that 40 time though he may go up to 4 where Oakland is, which might make Amari drop towards us. Cleveland might want him at 12.

  63. Ken says:

    I like Strong as well. He would be a good addition. I think he posted a huge vertical today.

  64. rgs322 says:

    These seem to be the 13 players who keep coming up in the first 15 picks of most mock drafts, so we have the opportunity to either draft one of these guys if they fall or have the pick of the litter on the rest of the 1st round talent.

    Winston-QB, Mariota-QB, L. Williams-DT, Gregory-DE, Ray-DE, Fowler-DE, White-WR, Shelton-DT, Cooper-WR, Parker-WR, Scherff-OL, Beasley-DE/LB, Peat-OT.

  65. dbolt48 says:

    Funny thing is TY Montgomery may have sealed his fate as a late round to UDFA.

  66. Mike E. says:


    If it was so clear cut that Wallace needed to go, he’d be gone already. I chalk it up to one bad decision, by a talented WR who makes our team better. I can’t tell you what to feel, and vice-ersa, but if we cut him, we just guaranteed that we have to draft a top WR, and we just lost flexibilty, and we may lose out on a top big guy because we had to take a WR early.

    • Ken says:

      I doubt we cut him alright but I would not surprised if he is not on the roster come opening day. I highly doubt it is one bad decision. You don’t pull yourself off the field because your team mate caught the the TD instead of you. that is bs. We talk about wanting a winning culture on our team. It’s hard to develop that when you have guys that pull themselves out of games so they can have a pity party.

    • stangerx says:

      I really want to keep Wallace — the cap just says we should unless they just can’t work it out somehow. Doesn’t mean we can put another horse in the stable though to run his paces until next year when Wallace is cuttable.

      Wouldn’t even mind that guy in the first….even if I think that would mean a goodbye to Hartline and/or Gibson.

  67. Ken says:

    Devin Smith from Ohio State in round 2 or 3. He would make us forget about Wallace.

  68. wyoming85 says:

    Dan Hope ‏@Dan_Hope · 55s56 seconds ago
    Cleanest wide receivers in that on-field session were Kevin White, Tyler Lockett, J.J. Nelson and Tony Lippett. #NFLCombine

  69. naplesfan2010 says:

    We need stars. The problem with the former GM is he drafted a bunch of good players. Only. With some injuries and a little bad luck (or bad coaching decisions) what you get with lots of good players and few stars is 8-8. With a few more stars you get into the playoffs, even if you “don’t belong” at every roster spot, because the stars win 2 games for you that maybe you would not otherwise have won. The difference in 10-6 and 8-8 is way more than two games. It is THE biggest two games difference in the NFL. (For a few teams the big 2 is 12-4 to 10-6 for home-field, but few teams live at that level for very long.) We don’t need players to compete for a starting spot. We need about 3-4 guys who will just walk right in and take a starting spot. 10-6.

    • stangerx says:

      naples — I still like the foundation though, especially with as young as the team is. And I get the star versus base argument, but for me the question is when are you ready to take the risk or spend the draft picks and/or money for the special talent. Truthfully don’t think we are ready to do that yet. In my mind, maybe next year.

  70. dbolt48 says:

    Montgomery only ran a 4.56 and was dropping a shit ton of passes. Showing those inconsistencies that he had this past year.

  71. stangerx says:

    University of Alabama-Birmingham wide receiver JJ Nelson only weighs 156 pounds. He did run a 4.29 though. Smell kick return specialist in his future.

  72. Ken says:

    Gotta run for now. Peace.

  73. D says:

    Parker ran 4.45 not 4.5.

  74. D says:

    Damn mike I know he’s your name broths but is there a synagogue in your future with Wallace lol. Like M13 and Keenum or Patterson.

  75. Silly Tim says:

    I knew Kevin White was a beast. He’s got Julio Jones type talent. I agree he probably goes top 10.

  76. The Flying Pig says:

    David Johnson was pretty impressive

  77. Silly Tim says:

    To my fellow northeasterners, are you getting the snow? It’s kind of nasty right now. I just ran some errands before it go too bad and the roads got bad quickly. Stay inside if you’re getting the shit we’re getting.

  78. Silly Tim says:

    Remember that little dude Foster? we brought in a few years back, he was 5-7 160 or something and ran a 4.3. He couldn’t make it on speed alone.

    • stangerx says:

      Nelson is 5’11 though, but not sure if that makes it better or worse. Might be able to reach up for passes better, but that also makes him mighty breakable.

      • Silly Tim says:

        156 is real thin at 5-11. I’m 5-9 160 though not in that kind of shape. I can’t imagine a guy my size playing in the NFL.

  79. Mike E. says:


    Not sure what you were saying about Wallace. I simply don’t want to cut him. If we can trade him and get a pick or 2, at least 3rd RD pick, I’d do it, but to cut him and get no compensation, and still take a big cap hit just doesn’t make sense to me. I really want some value back for him, or I’m keeping him.

    • stangerx says:

      Don’t think getting a third for him will be possible. Part of why I’m hoping to hear about him and Joe taking a trip to Disney World together.

  80. Mike E. says:

    Snowing here Tim – Probably looking at 2-3″ when it’s all done

  81. Mike E. says:


    Northern Iowa kid?

  82. wyoming85 says:

    Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout · 55s56 seconds ago
    Shaq Thompson would like you to know he’s not a safety. Or a running back. He’s a linebacker.

  83. Silly Tim says:

    Stanger, it might be a good idea for Wallace to take all his teammates to Disney World as a peace offering. He quit on them.

    Mike E, Miller didn’t quit in that game nor did a lot of other guys. Wallace sure as hell did though.

    • Mike E. says:

      Meh, we didn’t really compete in that game, and it wasn’t just Wallace, but whatever. I’d worry much more about it if it were a game that meant something, and it was a game that we were competitive in, but that’s just me.

      • Silly Tim says:

        I think it’s unfair to say quit. I think the defense was spent going in and it showed. That has to get corrected because this team can’t keep falling apart late in the year or the goal with never be achieved. That’s Philbin’s biggest negative as a HC, how his team finishes. If it happens again he’s definitely gone.

  84. Silly Tim says:

    My view on the OL is to add a solid rook from the draft, add a guard in FA who is starter caliber and continue developing James, Thomas, Smith and Turner. A big part of improving the OL is chemistry and these guys now have a year under their belts in Benton’s ZBS. Albert and Pouncey are the vets.

  85. The Flying Pig says:

    Yep mike
    The northern Iowa kid

  86. The Flying Pig says:


    It’s snowing a lot in nyc
    Didn’t expect it
    It’s not so cold though

    • Silly Tim says:

      It’s weird, it’s about 25-30 here but doesn’t feel so cold because I’m used to 2-19 lol, and it’s going to be 45+ tomorrow and then back to 15-20 on Monday. WTF?!!!!

      • Mike E. says:

        It’s snowing pretty good here, but this one is supposed to the usual, worse north and west, and not as bad going south, which is what I am compared to you guys.

  87. The Flying Pig says:

    Mike E
    WE were discussi cap room last week
    Finnegan, ellerbee and a few others being cut create a ton of cap room

    Our cap situation is not so bad
    We have to shed some of the fat

    We will defiantly have room for. Good free agent OG

  88. stangerx says:

    TIm — the way I see it is that what happened with Wallace was the heat of the moment, and maybe a fight with Philbin to an extent. Temper has had time to die down. And my guess is his people are saying…….”like it or not but buck up for one season and show what you got — you’ll be screwing up your next contract if you do anything else.”

    • Silly Tim says:

      Very possible, but this is Wallace’s last big contract. He’s signed through 2017 and he turns 29 in August. His biggest asset is speed and when he starts to lose some of it his value will go way down.

      • stangerx says:

        He’s a cap cut candidate next year unless he shows it. Next year he can either earn what is left on his current one or play for what he’ll get on the next one. Either way his performance next year matters millions to him.

  89. The Flying Pig says:

    Karlos Williams ran. 4.46

  90. The Flying Pig says:

    David Johnson

  91. Silly Tim says:

    It’s actually slowing down here with the snow. We were suppose to get 3-5 but not sure that will happen now :). Probably only an inch on top of our 5-6 base.

  92. Silly Tim says:

    Add this to some cap cuts and like Piggy said, our cap situation improves pretty quickly.

  93. Silly Tim says:

    Spoke too soon, now bigger flakes coming down. Oh well, it is what it is. I’m inside, it’s Saturday and tomorrow will be 45+ and melt some of this shit. Then there will be a lot of water everywhere but shouldn’t be too bad. It seems like we’ll get another week of real cold weather and the forecast heading into March looks like more 30s and 40s. We’re getting closer to spring. 🙂

  94. The Flying Pig says:

    new blog up

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