Everyone in the universe knows about Ben Heeney right? Right? Um…right? Okay, he may not be very high on your draft board. So put him on your draft board already! This guy can play.
Ben Heeney is an overachieving, unathletic throwback linebacker right? Right? Um…right? Wrong Earthlings! Just wrong. I have no idea why the Kansas linebacker has people convinced he is just an overachiever who plays at a basketball school but if you believe Heeney is an overachiever you have never been more wrong since you bought that Rick Astley album. Didn’t think anyone new about that did you?
Hey Ben, What is that on your shoulder? A chip? Well that explains your 4.59 40 time. Or your 3 cone drill in 6.68, or your 20 yard shuttle in 4 seconds, or your 60 yard shuttle in 11.06. As it turns out Heeney was one of the most athletic linebackers at the combine.
But what is the combine by itself? What did he do on the field? In his time at Kansas the 6’0, 231 pound linebacker racked up 335 tackles including over 35 for a loss. He also had 4.5 sacks, 4 interceptions and 3 forced fumbles. That production lead him to a first team all-Big 12 player in 2014.
Heeney is a sound tackler who demonstrates excellent technique on each tackle. When he gets there, you are going down and trust me, he is getting there! He has great instincts, which is probably the most important trait of any inside linebacker. Heeney moves laterally fluidly and can chase down the ball carrier. But really what impresses this alien the most about Heeney is his coverage skills. Matt Miller thinks he is agile enough to drop into a cover 2.
If I was going to compare Heeney to an Alien Weapon of Destruction, I would compare him to a venusian sheep. I know, I know…a sheep? Well listen: we used to use these sheep to destroy planets. We would drop them off and fly away in our rockets. All the local aliens would say “awww, look at the cute little sheep” but underneath that cuddly wool – would be something like your Earthling wolves. And the wolf would eat them while they slept. It was awesome.
Watch Heeley eat Kansas State in this video
Also from a Green Drunk Alien to the rest of you:
Finsmob Unleashed 
I’d be thrilled with WR Perriman as well. He could turn out to be the best of all the WR’s in the draft by the end of the 2016 season.
None of the big WRs seperate like him after the catch. It’s shocking how explosive he is after he secures the ball.
I tend to think Strong would really compliment Landry and Stills
That would be a nice trio
expecially if we had Clay and Cameron
we would be able to be pretty productive in 2 TE and 3 Wr sets
or a set with no back and 2 TE and 3WRS
I like Strong a lot. I think he is a very physical WR who would be a great red zone presence.
I don’t think he’s going to contribute nearly as much as those top 3 will as rookies. He’s pretty raw.
In fact, I think his skillset duplicates a lot of what we already have in Landry, only Landry was a great route runner coming. Strong’s got size on him, but that’s it.
I don;t know why people say that
I don;t think he is nearly as raw as people say he is
but assuming he doesn;t contrinute like Landry did
I thinkw e have a good situation to let that develop
Not taking a guy at 14 that I want to “develop”…just sayin. People say that because most of the world believes it to be true. 😉
Buffalo needs to shit or get off the pot with Clay. Either make him an offer or move on.
I think they’re playing it perfectly. Standard practice. Make the fins show all their FA cards to decrease the chance of them matching an offer.
while they do that, they miss out on bringing anyone else in too
I think sometimes you can overthink things
They should be more concerned about getting better than making their division rivals worse
If they don;t get Clay its a huge failure on their part
What if a 3rd team gets involved b/c they waited so long
Most free agency moves are fast and furious and there is a reason for that
take the guy off the market when you have the chance
I think they have all the info they need on us now. Most of the premier FAs are gone. What more can we do to show our hand?
I’d take Perriman over Strong, he’s more physical, better run after the catch ability, also I think he has better hands, and tracks and contests the ball better.
Perriman really has a chance at being a GREAT WR.
I like Perriman in the 2nd a lot better than I like Strong at 14, but his hands are highly suspect. I don’t think it’s even close between the two. The rest of what you say I do agree with though…
I think his hands are fine, but he does have concentration lapses sometimes & can try to run before looking the ball in, More so this year than he did with Bortles. His inconsistencies are coachable items. His hands are actually good…..strong yet soft where he doesn’t have to make a double catch.
I hear he doesn’t secure the ball well and his hands are a big ? with him do to multiple drops in his college career.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2015/03/miami-dolphins-in-the-runnig-for-new-england-guard.html
Would be a good move if we can make it happen
Tall order though. Depends on if he’s got his heart set on center vs. guard. Part of me thinks if he’s going to play guard he’ll probably just re-sign with NE rather than with the fins. We’d have to come in at a considerably better offer.
GDP
I don;t know what tape you are watching
but no way inhell does Perriman have better hands than Strong
in fact quite th eopposite
Perriman has some of the most questionable hands int he draft
Yeah thats what i have heard as well. Maycock called him out for it during the combine.
Wow, memories. Makes ya miss those college days.
Jahn, I really don’t know where teams have Kendricks ranked. I won’t be shocked if he goes mid 1st round. I just see so many different rankings for him.
Yeah, I have too. Really I’m just relaying some thoughts I’ve heard from other places when I talk about SF taking him at 15….
A team like SF may draft him mid 1st but he is more like a late first early second guy. SF has the need we did at RT. Its almost identical to our position last year with James.
It feels like your’e contradicting yourself there. If a guy goes in the mid first, whatever the reason, that’s what he is. I don’t and didn’t feel James was a reach at all last year, and I don’t and wouldn’t feel like Kendricks is a reach to us or SF either. But that’s totally subjective of course…
Jahn:
I don’t see Strong and Landry as similar at all. Strong is more of a traditional boundary WR while Landry is the prototypical slot WR. Very different skill sets and will be asked to do very different role than Landry.
I get how you can feel that way, but when it comes to winning contested balls, being gritty, I see the same guy. Very few of these guys are going to come in and be starting boundary receivers their rookie year, and I really don’t think Strong is going to be one of them.
I also should point out that I already gave voice to the size differences in my last post. So I do see the differences that you see, but I see some sames as well.
As it stands now he would not be the starting WR but he would be no. 3. I know he should still have a significant role but I think he can produce as a no. 3. He is by all consensus the no. 4 WR in the draft.
If La’el Collins is there, take him at #14 if all the WR’s are gone. Take Breshad Perriman in the 2nd. I’d be happy with that
Collins or Scherf at 14 would not suck imo.
Absolutely, although I think both will be gone, but yes, I would take Scherff for sure. He could do a weekly spot called Scherff and Turf. lol
If we ended up signing Dan Connolly, Collins and scherf are off my board
But as we currently stand I would probably take him over Strong and Parker and look at WR later
I think I would take Parker over Collins or Scherf but would be okay if we took one of them over Strong even though I like Strong a lot.
Pig, I don’t know what tape you’re watching either. Perriman makes really tough catches, has large soft hands.
Strong has had his drops too, seems to lack focus or not look the ball in at times.
You arent going to see his drops in film. They edit out most those plays for sake of a shorter video, even the full game ones.
Ill trust Maycock who gave him a big endorsement for athletic ability and other skills but he seemed to think his drops were egregious and i dont tink it matters if its concentration or not, he would need to improve quickly or it would be at the detriment of the chemistry between he an Tanny. Ill be honest im nt a big fan of pre 3rd round. Id be for us taking him after then. Id rather have Sammie Coates if i was drafting receiver in the second.
I’m not a huge fan of Perriman
But just so you guys see
Many scouting reports have questioned his hands
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/breshad-perriman?id=2552597
Breshad has good hands….as I mentioned above he will have a concentration drop or try to run before securing the ball. That’s where his drops come from.
He has big hands
but he lacks focus (liek you said) and he sometimes catches it with his body
There are just a few things about Perriman that I just don;t like
And drops is a big one to me
He’s not a good body catcher, but like I said his hands aren’t bad.
No one is, body catching is shitty receiving. He shouldnt be letting the ball get to his body especially if he has the big soft reliable hands you guys say he has.
Jahndoh says:
March 17, 2015 at 2:36 pm
It feels like your’e contradicting yourself there. If a guy goes in the mid first, whatever the reason, that’s what he is. I don’t and didn’t feel James was a reach at all last year, and I don’t and wouldn’t feel like Kendricks is a reach to us or SF either. But that’s totally subjective of course…
I dont see it as a contradiction. Kendricks in most cases would be a late first early second round pick, just like James would have been in a similar boat had it not been for us. Just because SF is willing to take him at 15 doesn’t mean he couldn’t be had lower. If SF passed some other team would likely take him because the value of his pick would be met somewhere lower 1st to early second, meaning on average i think most people would consider him BPA there, vs one person having him as BPA at 15. Kinda see what im saying now? James was a consensus over draft by our part because most people had him as a late first to early second, for us we wanted him, we couldn’t pass or we would lose out on him so we took him regardless of true value.
The real debate here is you feel he should be on our radar at 14 because you feel the need for MLB for us is that strong, and he is best MLB in your opinion. I dont feel that way. I look at the fact we have Misi who is sufficient at MLB for next year, we have other young guys with potential to fill the spot adequately making MLB important but having the luxury of waiting until the second, getting a solid prospect at better value. WR we are almost in a position where we have to get a stud, we have good WR talent but we need that RZ guy. OL could be argued that if we dont get a guy in FA or bring back College we could be in a similar plae there, so to me the Dolphins and Kendricks do not match up at 14.
I love drop discussions. I dropped the blades from my Ninja Professional Blender last night. I admit I’m terrified handling that 3 bladed nightmare. It just seems like it really wants to shear off one of my fingers. It reminds me of one of Wedge’s alien weapons. I’d be happy with Breshad Periman. We’ll fix his dropsies
Mike E. says:
March 17, 2015 at 2:33 pm (Edit)
Absolutely, although I think both will be gone, but yes, I would take Scherff for sure. He could do a weekly spot called Scherff and Turf. lol
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If that is the case then odds are one of the top 3 WRs is there at 14. Just doing the math: 2 QBs, 1 CB, 2 DTs, 5 DEs, 2 OLs, That makes 12 and that is the consensus of the top picks not including the WRs.
So you give me this long serious answer, and no reference to the Scherff and Turf? Me personally, I don’t see all 3 WR’s going before we pick, everyone else thinks they will.
Well I agree with you about one of the top 3 WRs being there at 14, sorry about not giving you props on Scherf and Turf. Sometimes things are better left unsaid. LOL.
D I agree with you about Perriman in the 3rd round
I would also take Coates before Perriman
but if we took Coates – he wouldn;t do much in 2015
He needas a lot of work
I think Iw ould take Angholor over Perriman
I don;t mean to poop on Perriman
I just don;t love that dropsies issue
“as it stands now he would not be the starting WR but he would be no. 3. I know he should still have a significant role but I think he can produce as a no. 3. He is by all consensus the no. 4 WR in the draft.”
Don’t tell that to GDP. 🙂
LOL, well if GDP’s boy was not such a shit head he may have been the no. 1 WR talent in this draft.
PS, I think there’s a really large gap between 3rd and 4th this year with the WR class. I put him a 2nd tier with Coates, Perriman, DGB, as opposed to the first tier which would be Cooper, Parker, White.
JMHO of course.
Funchness is another guy with some dropsies issues
So I kind of have Funchness and Perriman about the same
They both have great size though
Funchness scares me a bit. I think he is a tweener between WR and TE and may not fit great in either role.
I like Perriman a helluva lot more than Funchess. I can’t stand the name Funchess. It sounds like a snack food.
I’m pretty sure the right tema will make a pro bowler out of him
Funchess drops balls on contact from a defender. If he has space he typically makes the catch. So it’s a question of toughness with him.
D says:
March 17, 2015 at 2:36 pm
No one is, body catching is shitty receiving. He shouldnt be letting the ball get to his body especially if he has the big soft reliable hands you guys say he has.
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Like I said I’ve seen enough of his games to say I’m comfortable with his hands. Needs to correct the concentration lapses. Coats to me has even more consistent issues than Perriman. Struggles like hell tracking the ball over his shoulders. As I mentioned a month or so ago is like a larger Chris Chambers in that he’ll make one of the most difficult catches you’ll ever see then follow it up with drops on routine plays. That said Id take either in round 2.
Coates is defiantely nto flawless
I don;t know if its an issue tracking the ball or its just a lack of ability to run diverse routes
He really was limited in his use at Auburn
But he is an insane athlete
At this point he’s similar to Hartline where he likes the ball in front of him. Agholor would be my preference in round 2 if available.
I like Coates better than Perriman. FWIW.
And lets not assume that the top 3 WRs int his draft are Cooper, White and Parker
Its very possible that DGB slips into the top 3
He has qualities that make GMs salicate and some simply won;t care about the offfield issues
I even think its possible that DGB is the first WR taken
I can see a scenario where Cooper and DGB both go off the board before Kevin white even though White is considered by many to be the top WR
DGB is kind of a wildcard
Nothing would make me happier if DGB goes in the top 3, that means one of the others for sure would be there at 14.
In spite of what I said below, I agree 100% with this. If I have my pick, White’s the guy i’d want. Parker next, and Cooper 3rd.
Why wouldn’t I assume what the consensus across the country on all draft boards seems to be?
Sure there’s a chance some brash GM will stake his reputation on DGB, but when I’ve heard Polian, Brandt and Casserly all say that if you want to stay employed in this business you steer clear of prospects like that, I tend to think the chances he goes before those other 3 are very very slim indeed.
I think you can follow the consensus most of the time
But DGB is an atheltic freak
Don’t ever underestimate the ego of a GM or coach
If you want to stay employed you don;t make the moves Chip Kelley has made either
but look at what he has done
Do you really think DGB is ranked 4th or 5th on everyone’s draft board?
I say the chances of that are slim to zero
I think he might be off our draft board
But I bet you the Cowboys like him a lot
Raiders too
A lot of teams do things differently with different results
When you talk about chacrtyer issues vs talent – its a fine line. I don’t think a team can afford to have a black and white rule about it
That is just me
That’s not how Reggie McKenzie operates IMHO. I seriously doubt he’s on the Raiders board. The Cowboys? Even Jerry Jones would be in rarefied air if he thinks he can pair that dude with Dez and not have problems.
I don’t have a crystal ball, we all make assumptions based on what we know, so I put the chances that DGB goes top 10 at 4.297826% 🙂
Nobody is going to be there for us at #14.
The 13 teams that pick before us have 162 picks each
Its bullshit!
fucking Goodell!!!
can you imagine the headache any oline coach must have at signing an ex pat o-linemen
‘NO NO NO DAMMIT, THIS IS NOT NEW ENGLAND, THAT IS HOLDING EVERY SINGLE TIME, NOW GET IT RIGHT’
LOL
According to Mando: “The Dolphins are one of a handful of teams interested in veteran lineman Dan Connelly.”
He’s 32 and obviously not the long-term future; yet also makes a lot of sense as a Vet guy with a lot of starting experience. And at the same time would be pretty cool to get one of the Pats’ discards and hope to show them wrong for once.
The Flying Pig says:
March 17, 2015 at 2:44 pm
I’m pretty sure the right tema will make a pro bowler out of him
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I agree with this! One of the lingerie football teams will bring the best out of him😜
Piggy, if a team takes DGB in the top 3 they will be drafting there again a few more times.
He is compared to Randy Moss by some scouts
ther eis a possibility he ends up being the best WR int he draft
high risk high reward I guess
I tend to like the other 4 WRs we talked about more irrespective of the off field character issues
to me the other 4 guys are just bettwer wrs and its that simple
He is compared to Randy Moss but with much worse character issues. TIFI.
I’ve read he’s really raw though. He didn’t even play last year.
It doesn’t matter who are WRs are if we can’t keep tanny upright and give him time to throw.
No doubt we need to prtect Tanny
but sometimes the difference between a TD and a FG is what the ball carrier does with he ball after the catch
We have to see what the com,pelte picture is before the draft
acquiring some one like Mathis or Connelly changes what we do
But right now I think a couple of the OL are rated above a couple of the WRs we mentioned
The first 2 OL can play OG effectively
but I don;t know that the next tiew of OL is worth taking at 14
and maybe we would be better off with a giy like Cann or Tomlinson inthe 2nd round
^ True that
He’ll be upright, least when Albert is ready to roll. Got three first rounders on the ends and up the middle.
Fwiw
I would prefer we acquire a vet like Connoly or Mathis than a vet WR like Crabtree
dbolt
all kidding aside, didnt NE trade some all world guard to the bucs last year and then the guy turns into a complete bust for the bucs. there is a reason that all these ‘great’ players for NE once they leave are bust for other teams. and yeah yeah i know it isnt every one but it is the majority.
guess it must be they coaching, yeah that is it, that is the ticket.
Yep Mankins. That’s why I LOL’d. What you said is true, in NE. Their OL can tackle defenders like crazy and get away with it, but once those guys go to a different team and play within the NFL rules they struggle. Damien Woody was the exception
Tim
I don;t think DGB is anymore raw than the average prospect
I guess in comparison to some one like Cooper he is
But its not too crazxy to see a team thinking they like DGB’s potential over Cooper’s qualities
I’ve read that he is very raw. I’m just going by what I’ve read and there are a lot of red flags.
Ok the DGB comparisons to Moss have to end. They are compared because of size and that’s the only similarity. There is no comparison athletically or pro readiness. Athletically the closest thing I’ve seen in the mold of Moss was Hunter, but he was very raw.
People thought Wallace had the backing of his teammates here:
@thewiwitos: The Pouncey Brothers speak their minds about Mike Wallace and the Dolphins off season moves… Catch… https://t.co/ZnDp6oQGer
Can’t watch right now, what do they say?
Maurkice called Wallace a Coward and Mike said the team did the right thing getting rid of him & the rest of the guys they did.
Love it.
getterdone says:
March 17, 2015 at 9:33 am
Then spend it on fancy sippy cups.
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HEY The sippy cup belongs to me! LOL
D says:
March 17, 2015 at 3:31 pm
Jahndoh says:
March 17, 2015 at 2:36 pm
It feels like your’e contradicting yourself there. If a guy goes in the mid first, whatever the reason, that’s what he is. I don’t and didn’t feel James was a reach at all last year, and I don’t and wouldn’t feel like Kendricks is a reach to us or SF either. But that’s totally subjective of course…
I dont see it as a contradiction. Kendricks in most cases would be a late first early second round pick, just like James would have been in a similar boat had it not been for us. Just because SF is willing to take him at 15 doesn’t mean he couldn’t be had lower. If SF passed some other team would likely take him because the value of his pick would be met somewhere lower 1st to early second, meaning on average i think most people would consider him BPA there, vs one person having him as BPA at 15. Kinda see what im saying now? James was a consensus over draft by our part because most people had him as a late first to early second, for us we wanted him, we couldn’t pass or we would lose out on him so we took him regardless of true value.
The real debate here is you feel he should be on our radar at 14 because you feel the need for MLB for us is that strong, and he is best MLB in your opinion. I dont feel that way. I look at the fact we have Misi who is sufficient at MLB for next year, we have other young guys with potential to fill the spot adequately making MLB important but having the luxury of waiting until the second, getting a solid prospect at better value. WR we are almost in a position where we have to get a stud, we have good WR talent but we need that RZ guy. OL could be argued that if we dont get a guy in FA or bring back College we could be in a similar plae there, so to me the Dolphins and Kendricks do not match up at 14.
I think the real debate was about where he goes in the draft. Not about whether I see him on our radar at 14. In fact, the discussion started when Tim asked me if I thought SF would “reach” for him at 15, and I revealed I had gotten that idea from an NFL radio show.
My only position is that James wasn’t a reach, and I wouldn’t consider Kendricks a reach at 14 or 15 either.
To be honest, I’ve probably complained less about Misi at MLB than almost anybody on this or any other board we’ve been posting on. I think Misi back at strong would be a better use of his talent though, and I think a guy like Kendricks, especially in light of the Suh signing, would put our front 7 up there with the very best front 7s in the league. We lost Ellerbe (who was our MLB before Misi if you recall) and Wheeler. We will need to replace them. If those guys are in house already great, but if they’re not, and this org, (or SF for that matter) like Kendricks in the 1st, I consider that good drafting, not reaching for need.
We have to agree to disagree then, i tink not taking a WR or OL over Kendricks is foolish for us given our needs there.
To me that’s when you end up reaching. That’s totally need related. I’ll talk specific players with you. White or Parker over Kendricks? Yes. Strong or DGB, No.
I’m not into reaching, I’m into getting the best player that fits a need. That’s any need. Not a specific one.
dbolt48 says:
March 17, 2015 at 3:31 pm
People thought Wallace had the backing of his teammates here:
@thewiwitos: The Pouncey Brothers speak their minds about Mike Wallace and the Dolphins off season moves… Catch… https://t.co/ZnDp6oQGer
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just like anything he had his Brah’s that had his back and he had others that didnt like what he did. I think you probably have some that did stand behind him, one of which is also on another team next year.
You did catch where Mike said the team made the right move getting rid of all the guys they did. I think someone was sick of the whining.
There’s a major difference between Randy Moss and DGB. Randy Moss had a very productive college career, DGB couldn’t stay on the field enough to even come close to what Moss did. Moss also went late in the 1st round. Not top 10, not top 3. The comparisons are getting a little carried away. Moss had 2 legal run-ins. Only 1 in college and it stemmed from probation he was serving for a HS fight he took part in. It was reported a white student made racial remarks to Moss’ friend and moss took part in the fight resulting in a midemeanor charge.
DGB has issues that hit very close to home with the NFL’s current hotbutton issues, and has had trouble staying on the field in college. The issue that’s of most concern was uncharged, but were well documented in a police report. The lack of charges were because the girl (who’s apartment he forced his way into and eventually dragged his girlfriend out of by her hair) whom he pushed down “at least 4 stairs” said she: “was afraid of the media and community backlash,”
DGB IS extremely talented. That’s what he and Moss have in common. Both had some off field issues prior to going pro. So they’ve got that in common too. But the severity of the issues, the amount of actual college production and play time…the differences are stark.
I don’t get the knock on Perriman, his skill set seems more closely to that of White. Yes White seems more polished and turned heads with his speed at the combine. But Perriman is of a similar mold…IMO. I don’t think you could go wrong with him in the 2nd, but he’s likely to go before #47.
stangerx says:
March 17, 2015 at 12:40 pm
A Quad venti half caf breve no foam with whip two splenda stirred skinny three pump peppermint mocha….please.
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Make mine an Ice quad venti breve 2 sugar in the raw latte with a shot of Kahlua and two shots of Stoli please.
And can you put it in my over-sized sippy cup please?
Mulatto Russian?
LOL — you can’t get that one at Starbucks. 🙂
DGB doesnt have the speed Moss did. Moss flat out shocked people who were trying to cover him he would get a step on them so fast.
“In my opinion, he’s a coward,” said Maurkice Pouncey, who played with Wallace in Pittsburgh. “I never want a guy on my team like that to walk out on your band of brothers.”
Mike Pouncey then criticized multiple players. The Dolphins also released receivers Brandon Gibson, Brian Hartline and linebacker Philip Wheeler.
“Obviously our organization felt the way about some guys and they got those guys out of our football team,” Mike Pouncey said. “I felt like it was the right move for everybody.”
WOW……..nobody wants to do the tag team WWF match with the Pouncey bros.
That’s sloppy editorializing I think. Did he actually criticize Hartline? I never saw Hartline whine in my life. He’s always been a team first guy and he was openly critical of Wallace after the Jets game incident. He was one of the players who felt Wallace “walked out on the team”
Whether cutting him and Wheeler was the right thing to do had nothing to do with Wallace…and I agree cutting them was the right thing to do given their pay vs. production.
There’s rumors out there that behind the scenes Hartline was a huge prick. Like I said its a rumor that’s floating around.
But still Jahn, it’s…..whoever was meant
https://theinfamousjcity.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mick-foley-getting-a-chair-shot-to-the-head.jpg%3Fw=600
Nothing int he video mentioned Hartline, or i got a condensed version… i only heard him mention Wallace specifically.
Come on Dbolt. You got to give me something that Omar didn’t start with that. I think propagating rumors with no evidence whatsoever is irresponsible. He was a prick to media. Because the media fucked that whole team over on the Jonathan Martin stuff. They deserved it. Show me one player anywhere who said anything bad about him. Maybe Wallace would since Hartline spoke up when he quit on the team.
Stanger, “whoever was meant” is what i’m taking issue with. He meant the obvious folks IMHO…Wallace and Gibson. Throwing Hartline and Wheeler into that discussion was editorializing.
“whoever was meant” MATTERS. Because if I say some shit about Wallace, then say you’re the same way, you’re going to take issue.
My only point was the Pouncey bros came out with the chairs. Only way we take issue is if you think that ain’t true.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago
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I didn’t realize there were so many latte drinking bastards here.
I drink Breve’s thats a mans drink! Espresso and rich fatty milk….way god intended it to be. No fru fru sugar, no pussy ass flavorings!
Me drink coffee black with real sugar.
Use too, and sometimes still do but it has to be really good coffee to drink it black.
Thank you D. As I suspected. Pouncey wasn’t painting Hartline and Wheeler with the same brush.
He was talking about Wallace, and if I have to speculate anyone else, it was pretty obviously Gibson.
I can’t abide “rumors behind the scenes”. Ugh!!!!!!!!
D, agreed on really good coffee to drink it black. That’s why I know Dunkin’ Donuts coffee is disgusting. I only drink coffee once a day so I make mine at home in the morning and that’s it. I drink Barista House Blend made in the Keurig and it’s fine with me.
Some of the Keurig’s are tastey, though not all, some of those i prefer with milk too. Starbucks has an Ethiopian blend thats really good, their Sumatra is pretty good too. I can drink both of those black.
Never liked any Starbucks coffees I tried so I stopped trying.
I am not sure Hartline was a dick behind the scenes or if he whined. I never really heard much about it. I do know he could be a dick, we saw that in interviews, but then again he kept being asked asinine things by people like Omar and he got friggin tired of it. Hell i woulda snapped on that bunch of shit heads too. I think Hartline’s cut was about money and declining pay. They talked of bringing him back after he tested FA so that screams they wanted him back at THEIR price, but not that they didnt want him back period. You didnt hear any “we would like Gibson back” talk, and i think it was because he on top of saving the team money burned some bridges.
Agreed with all of that analysis.
Wheeler was actually one who whined about rotating players in an out of the lineup. Not surprising because they couldn’t leave him on the field too long without him being a liability.
He also complained openly about the GB game call at the end of the game when he failed to cover the TE and it cost us the game. I do agree with him, Coyle should have never had him on the field covering that guy lol, so that was one of the reasons i went at Coyle for being ineffective at calling proper formations at certain times. Wheeler though should have owned that as a lot of his fault for being flat out shitty at his job. Oh and Coyle wasnt responsible for the other 70% of the time he was also shitty.
LOL
I had forgotten about this. I should just let my defense of Hartline stand alone, because that bothered me too (the Wheeler Green Bay blame game thing).
I want to clarify my position. Whatever cut and paste was above implied that Pouncey(s) criticized all the outgoing players. They did not. They openly criticized Wallace, and Mike said all the cuts they made were good for the team. That does not mean guys like Wheeler and Hartline need to be thrown under the bus as Wallace lackeys.
Hartline was OPENLY critical of Wallace after the Jets game. Gibson was OPENLY supportive of him. Who was Pouncey really criticizing there? I think it’s obvious.
Was cutting Wheeler and Hartline an independently good decision? I agree with Pouncey that it was. Good for the salary cap, good for the pay/production ratio.
That’s probably the case.
hartline’s contribution didn’t match his salary. That why he was cut plain and simple.
Thats how I see it too
I don;t get into the theatrics of it
I tend to think wallace and Gibson are exactly the same
cut b/c their production didn;t match their paychecks
we can do better with guys on rookie contracts
“I don;t get into the theatrics of it”
This from a flying pig who compares draft prospects to fictional weapons of mass destruction. 🙂
Jahn in regards to the Hartline item….Omar has been the one defending him in regards to these rumors.
D says:
March 17, 2015 at 4:04 pm
I am not sure Hartline was a dick behind the scenes or if he whined. I never really heard much about it. I do know he could be a dick, we saw that in interviews, but then again he kept being asked asinine things by people like Omar and he got friggin tired of it. Hell i woulda snapped on that bunch of shit heads too. I think Hartline’s cut was about money and declining pay. They talked of bringing him back after he tested FA so that screams they wanted him back at THEIR price, but not that they didnt want him back period. You didnt hear any “we would like Gibson back” talk, and i think it was because he on top of saving the team money burned some bridges.
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The rumor is Hartline was the WR constantly complaining to the media “anonymously” about the new offense and offensive coordinator. I originally thought that would’ve been Gibson.
It sounds like he was a little disgruntled being that he wasn’t the focus.
What makes you privy to “rumors” that the rest of us aren’t privy too? Who’s spreading this rumor?
Wreaks of douchebaggery to me. I respect you a lot Dbolt, but you’re going out of your way here to impugn Hartline, and I’m not sure the reason. Give me some evidence backing what you’re saying because I’ll feel alot better about it, and am totally open minded about my opinion of Hartline.
But if your’e quoting tweets show us, so we can consider the sources and draw our own conclusions.
I don’t see Hartline throwing his own OC under the bus. Every teammate I ever saw quoted on him from HS on has said he’s an exemplary teammate. Suddenly he’s released from the fins, not an unkind word from his mouth about it, the fins saying they’d like him back at the right price, and we’re to believe he was undermining his coaches?
It’s hard to believe. Give me something here.
stangerx says:
March 17, 2015 at 3:53 pm
LOL — you can’t get that one at Starbucks. 🙂
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I get it, come home and THEN put the Kahlua and vodka in it.
Tim Knight says:
March 17, 2015 at 3:50 pm
I didn’t realize there were so many latte drinking bastards here.
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I will have you know that my mother WAS married to my father when I was born. She just left him a few months later. LOL I KNOW who my father is, just never met him. And yes, if liking espresso with cream is a crime, call me guilty. ;-0
LOL
OMG, talk about whining….look at you guys go….LOL
I’ve never seen so much he said, she said, a scout said, a former GM said, in my life. 🙄
Welcome to the blog. You’re obviously new around here. LOL…
FWIW, I don’t see anyone whining.
Tim Knight says:
March 17, 2015 at 4:09 pm
Never liked any Starbucks coffees I tried so I stopped trying.
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I do not like Starbuck’s brewed coffee.
I like espresso and starbucks has a better machine.
Wait till it’s Mike Pouncey’s turn to be out on his ass. It won’t be long, especially if he plays like he did last year. He’ll be singing a different tune then.
I thought he played OK last year. I think expecting him to be a pro-bowl guard when he hasn’t played there in years and switched for the good of the team is unreasonable. Lot of badmouthing of him went on, but I never agreed with any of it.
Nogtih folks.
(I someone else using that drunken typo a few weeks back, it has made it into the lexicon) The bucket, the Nose tackle tree, etc.
Mike E, good point on Pouncey. He’s entering a contract year or may be asked to restructure, but anyhow, he needs to stay healthy and play better in 2015 than he was able to in 2014.
Pouncey was also coming off of hip surgery. I’m sure he’ll feel better this season.
The Miami Herald’s Armando Salguero reports the Dolphins told him their rumored pursuit of Eagles LG Evan Mathis was “never a thing.”
The Dolphins were closely linked to Mathis after he first popped up on the trade block last Thursday, but there’s been silence since. At least publicly, Mathis’ market has been slow developing.
Jahn
I think Wallace was better at his position than Mike Pouncey was at his. He was pretty much less than average at LG last year, and that’s far from just my opinion, I think it was universal.
Except for the people who voted him into the pro bowl. Suh also said he looks forward to competing with Pouncey.
LOL…
Who voted Pouncey into the Pro Bowl last year?, Even if someone did, that’s entirely on past reputation. I think he was pretty bad last year. My, how easily we forget.
I think we both know the difference between Pouncey and Wallace. And I think the Front Office knows the difference too.
It’s not universal if everyone doesn’t agree to that. “Less than average” is incredibly arguable, but I think he was better than average, so there goes universal out on it’s ear.
He was RG 🙂
LOL, I always get a kick out of seeing this.
Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
RT @JackLaMonica why do you report for the phins if all you do is talk down on them? Go be a patriots > BLOCKED
Mike E, he made the pro bowl at C and RG now. Just saying.
Players, coaches and fans vote for the probowl.
Mike E, Pouncey definitely had some rough moments last year but he also made some great blocks and the announcers pointed them out a bunch of times.
OK,Tim, Jahn, you guys are absoutely right. Pouncey was fantastic last year. I don’t know what I was thinking. You guys convinced me.
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Here we go. I definitely used the word fantastic. SMH.
If I look, I’m sure I could find a few more links. If you like, I’ll find them
http://isportsweb.com/2015/02/28/miami-dolphins-offensive-line-recap/
http://www.thephinsider.com/2015/1/10/7526075/mike-pouncey-going-to-the-pro-bowl
I agree with that too, even if a quote from Ask Mike would carry more weight with me.
“He struggled at the guard position in pass protection but was solid as a run blocker. “
I agree with that. But mainly because I didn’t see the word fantastic used. LOL
I already stated my opinion on Pouncey above.
So I agree with Federico Zabiah even if I’d never heard of him before. Kind of echoes my original comment on the topic:
“Pouncey did not end up performing to the levels we come to expect of him and was affected by the new role.”
My original comment:
“I thought he played OK last year. I think expecting him to be a pro-bowl guard when he hasn’t played there in years and switched for the good of the team is unreasonable. Lot of badmouthing of him went on, but I never agreed with any of it.”
Even if I was wrong about the pro-bowl part…lol..
Mike E, your boy Philbin loves Pouncey, so that should be all that matters to you! 😉
What? There’s a fire? Here’s some gasoline!!!!
I’m looking forward to a healthier Pouncey back at center in our new scheme and offense. I think he’s the perfect fit.
Jahn
It doesn’t matter whether you said fantastic, he wasn’t even average, but neither of you will admit to that, so really, the entire conversation is a farce.
You said universal though. Didn’t you? It DOES matter what people say.
You’re talking as if you never read my 5:12 post.
Cheers Tim and Mike. Just a difference of opinion Mike, and it’s just opinion…from both of us, and from any other fan blog out there. Happy St. Patty’s day.
Cheers everyone actually. Dbolt, I am open minded about Hartline. If you’ve got anything to share with me that can help lend credibility to the “rumors” you mentioned, I look forward to seeing it.
Later Jahn – Cheers sir – Happy St. Pats!
I hate to use PFF, but I know Jahn generally respects their work
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/26/dolphins-pounceys-tough-transition/
For future reference, and not in response to the Pouncey stuff whatsoever, I openly abandoned them late in the 2013 season. Which is why you haven’t seen me site there work in over a year.
I suspect some of their “graders” are wholly unqualified.
Mike E, my comments weren’t meant to defend Pouncey at all costs. I was joking with some stuff.
I want to see him healthy and back at center and regain his form.
I’ll catch you folks later!
Peace and Cheers! I’m going to tip one for you buddy!
You will NOT catch me later
I am free
I will remain free
My Pork among the clouds
My Squiggly Tail unrelenting
My Snout above restraint
My Pants – off
Pork will never be property to be held or “caught” as you Oink
I am free Tim and I will not be caught
…oh shit…did you mean see you later
my mistake…catch up later Tim
just ignore the other stuff I said
Dont think there was any doubts that Pouncey was out of position last year and didnt do very well at OG. Im a Gator fan, i remember when Pouncey played OG, and i will tell you he was great in college but when they moved him to OC, outside some snapping issues in shotgun, he was stellar. We had a need to play him out of position last year, we need to get him back where he belongs this year.
Later Tim – Happy St. Patty’s Day!
If you’re looking for a 5th-7th round sort of guy at MLB, give Auston Johnson from the University of South Dakota a look. This kid tosses OL around and plays like he wants to hurt somebody….and he’s not all that big. I love the way he plays.
If you guys have already discussed him ad nauseum….well then…ignore my post and go drink your fufu drinks.
I haven’t seen him discussed, and I don’t drink fufu drinks.
@ckparrot: Idea Wallace & Hartline being unhappy w/ Tannehill bothers me not at all. Wallace a distraction literally since Gm 1. Hartline a known jerk.
@ckparrot: @OldBenz79 Not one person that I’ve spoke to privately expressed they’ll miss him. All opposite. Some bad words used to describe him.
Some of the follow up tweets were deleted as I can’t find them anymore. Trust me Jahn, I have better things to do in my life than try to character assassinate Brian Hartline.
he’s a coward—-m.pouncey ——mike —-need 11 not 10players——anyone see the cardinals baseball uniforms for today?
HANK GOLDBERG WAS ON A MIAMI area radio show this morning and said he’s not convinced the new Dolphins are as good as the Dolphins who ended the season in 2014. I’m not sure, either. It’s nice to SAY Mr. X is an improvement over Mr. Y. –It’s nice to say that this guy is a better player and less of a pain in the ass than that guy. But until THEY PROVE IT ON THE FIELD, IT IS ALL SPECULATION. ONE AREA where everyone agreed improvement was needed was/is the offensive line. NO measurable improvement there, especially if Albert is not fully recovered. ANOTHER AREA where I strongly believe improvement is needed is the position of HEAD COACH. Still stuck with Mr. NO WINNING SEASONS HIMSELF, Joe Philbin. AND I believe that the single most important person in a franchise is THE HEAD COACH, so no improvement in Philbin’s performance from the prior 3 seasons=no playoff wins this year. –Now I DO BELIEVE the D-Line has made a mega step forward with the acquisition of SUH. –But we STILL NEED significant improvement in both our LB’s and our DB’s if we are to be taken seriously as a playoff team. Can T-Baum, Hickey, and the scouting staff plug these holes in the coming draft?? –WELL, as long as JEFFROE’s NOT calling the shots, there IS HOPE!!
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BY THE WAY, what ever happened to all those Jeffroe supporters????
Why do people instigate and try to call out people who’ve supported members of the organization in the past. Childish.
Another kid that intirigues me…maybe a 4-5th rounder. Justin Shirk from Bloomsburg. Solid player…not sure his measurables are gonna attract much attention.
Doesn’t sombody around here pay attention to Bloomsburg? Should know this kid.
D-Bolt does, he’s an alum
Hey OD
You have to wait until the draft is over to see if we’ve addressed the O-line. I expect us to take one either RD 1 or RD 2
MikeE,
I’ll be curious to see if the team really does draft an OL in the first couple of rounds or figures they can get by on the cheap with a so-so FA….or going with Turner(who I think is still a huge unknown) and/or Thomas(who I still think can get better). They might feel they can get by with what they have and bolster the team in other areas. From what little we’ve heard, they haven’t really gone after any FA OL so far.
going into the season with the guards we have is a HUGE mistake. We have to bring in a solid starting G or possibly 2
I think part of the reason they haven’t looked at O-line is because they tagged Clay, and probably still want to sign him, and at the very least, if he never gets another offer, we may have to pay him the $7M As far as Turner and Thomas, they definitely might feel confident with Turner and Thomas. We’ll see in a month or so.
OD, screw Hank Goldberg, he’s asleep at the wheel. I never like his lousy spread picks anymore either. I can out handicap games better than him. He needs to hang up his Florsheim’s.
Randy, you mean LB Kyle Emanuel from North Dakota St..? He’s got some hops. I’m not sure of the kid you’re talkin about.
Randy,
Interms of Shirk, I didn’t watch him this year. But previous years he never jumped out at me. When I watched BloomU the previous 2yrs I watched Larry Webster attract a shit ton of attention and no one else stepped up on defense. So essentially I saw someone who didn’t really excel when he had an NFL caliber talent on the DL. I keep on hearing he took off this year, but unfortunately I didn’t get to any of his live games. I also have some worries that recently Brian Clarke, BloomU OG 2010-2014, was busted after his NFL stint w/ Dallas for running a steraroid ring back up this way.
shirk might actually be better off left at FB.
OD, why would anyone here be supporting Jeff Ireland two years later after he’s been gone?
I for one thought he should have been fired after the way he handled the WR position in 2012 and then the OL in 2013 along with not getting much value out of his FA spending spree in 2013. He was fired after that. So we move onto the new GM and personnel dept. and go from there.
Cause he wants to berate someone. I’m tired of it actually. He says the same thing over and over. I will never apologize for having supported a member of the Dolphins when they were a member of the Dolphins. That’s what I do. Support the Dolphins.
Dbolt,
I spent my weekend looking at mid to lower round guys, and Shirk was one of them. He’s not a standout athlete when compared to top tier schools, but I liked what I saw. Whether that’s a future starter or a ST/sub sorta guy…I couldn’t say right now.
Like I said I heard people talking him up this year, but previously he appeared to be a better FB. Who knows if it was the light turning on or what. If he makes it I’ll be happy there’s another Husky in the league👍
Former NFL cornerback Patrick Surtain has put a property he owns in south Florida on the market for $4,799,000….This palatial estate covers nearly 12,000 square feet and sits on 1.26 acres of land.
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Hoping Patrick just wants to move somewhere else.
He probably doesn’t need all that.
Dbolt,
WTF kind of access does CKParrot have? He blogged with us on the SS. I think he’s a (insert all kinds of bad names). I consider sources. That’s a shitty one.
He blogged with us?
Yes, Chris Koufmann. At the SS. He didn’t become the “draftwinds” guy until he did a few guest slots for Hyde, where he foretold of the dominance of Christian Ponder LOL…
Regardless, CKParrot is an OK dude. Yes he’s just a poster more or less, but a real knowledgeable one. Could never figure out why he got hit on so hard.
I remember tweets of his being posted on the blogs as if his word was the real deal.
One thing I will say is most people who think they have insider info. have less than half of what they think they do. Organizations don’t sound off with a bullhorn about the state of their franchise. That’s following football 101. LOL
Tim — I spout out my ass all the time, but yet my dogs still love me…….and at least some people on this board are willing to talk to me as well. He knows his ball, and he’s a good dude.
OK dudes don’t slander people while hiding behind twitter.
Jahn you asked me for where I heard this like I was saying Hartline was the dick…..which is why I emphasized rumor. Now the tweet that was deleted was from Ian Wharton in which he said Hartline had worn out his welcome within the front office and coaching staff. It was intermingled in CKs tweets yesterday but gone today so I couldn’t post it. I know you like Hartline, but don’t ever accuse me of fucking trying to smear someone’s nane when I’m not. If I have an issue with a player I’ll state it straight up just like of done with Wallace and others. There’s a reason I said rumor in regards to Hartline and not fact.
Dbolt,
I bent over backwards asking for sources because I couldn’t believe you’d character assassinate the guy. But you did repeat the “rumor” twice without quoting sources, so I’m entitled to ask for them.
I don’t care if you ask for who said it, not a big deal to me. I leave work step away from the Internet until I’m done getting my kids dinner and it looked like my credibility was being attacked. Holy shit things go off in a different direction when you step away…LOL
Vic Carucci of the Buffalo News reports that it’s a five-year, $38 million contract with more than $20 million guaranteed. It seems unlikely that the Dolphins would
clays offer sheet. He’s gone
Fine by me. Like him, but I don’t want him at that.
I like Clay a lot but that’s really rich for him. That said, we don’t have a lot invested anymore in the receiver position which is really what Clay is regardless of position – he’s a receiver.
We’ll see.
Big question….What do you do with that jersey Tim😉
None of these instant reactions consider that the contract might be heavily backloaded and another easy to get away from in year 3 deal.
We’ll see. I am not even close to certain the team won’t match. I need to see more details.
Supposedly first 2yrs are 24 million, so they front loaded the contract.
NOW TIM; YOU know and I know that IRELAND still had his supporters up until (and maybe AFTER) he was fired, albeit at least 2 years too late. Maybe his supporters weren’t on TOP of their game?? Funny, but after several of them ripped me for demanding Ireland’s head, I just don’t seem to hear much from them now. SAME could be said about Sparano’s supporters, too.
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Mike E.; I addressed the issue of the draft YESTERDAY. And I remain hopeful that T-Baum, Hickey, and the scouts can plug more of our leaks come April. But the coaching staff, especially the HEAD COACH, that’s another matter. He REALLY HAS TO “SHOW ME.”
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SPEAKING OF “SHOW ME,” the 1972 Dolphins certainly showed the football universe they were the BEST TEAM OF ALL TIME. –Game 7 of THE PERFECT SEASON featured Earl Morrall’s return to Baltimore to face Johnny Unitas and the Baltimore Colts. In 1968, Unitas got hurt early in the season. Morrall stepped in and got the Colts TO THE SUPER BOWL, winning the NFL’s Most Valuable Player Award along the way. But all that was forgotten when Shula’s Colts lost Super Bowl III to the New York Jets. –Four years later Morrall, after 3 years of little activity, was cut loose by Baltimore and picked up on waivers by the same Don Shula. –Could Morrall (and Shula) get some revenge against the franchise that had turned their backs on both of them? –Could Unitas end Miami’s dream of a PERFECT SEASON?? –The Old Dolfan will put you on the 50 yard line in old Memorial Stadium as your Miami Dolphins continue their search for ABSOLUTE PERFECTION!!!
Who was it OD? Speak up. Not a single person here supported him AFTER he left. Not one.
I think anyone who goes around and shouts for firings is out of line. Do it again, I’ll speak up then too.
PS, I’ll address you directly too, not with backhanded comments.
TOP. just to name one. NOT NICE for a minister to not tell the truth. Criticize me all you want. I expect better than we’ve had the last several years. But mediocrity has always had it’s defenders, too. -I’m just not one of them.
OD, there was a difference in having great disdain for Ireland and blaming him for everything under the sun, and thinking he was great. That’s what always got lost in the discussions. There was real hatred for the guy and I didn’t share in it like many people here. Ireland’s record building this team speaks for itself – 46-50 and one playoff appearance in 08 when Parcells was very much involved.
Let’s move on.
SEE below, Tim. I have NEVER blamed Ireland for everything under the sun. Ireland’s pompous disdain for unhappy season ticket holders has earned him a special place in my Hal of Failures.
“HALL.”
Dbolt, I have to tell my wife that I need a new one because every time I ask her for one that player leaves the team. LOL
I think I’ll take a break for awhile and try to hone in on a real keeper. I really hate that this jersey is meaningless so quickly though. Thanks, Charles.
Tannehill isn’t going anywhere. You can wait until he signs an extension if you want. So long as it’s not the case where every jersey you buy makes the player suck…you can break the trend!
I would match 5 year 38m
It’s really a question of what the vision of this offense is
If Clay gets that kind of deal though, from anyteam, he is probably a free agent again in 2017
But we do have the cap room, at least in 2015 for that deal
Can we do that and get a vet OG?
Me no know….
Yes, easily. We have a ton of cap space right now.
JAHN; YOU are free to support any and all members of the Fins organization as long as you want. The guys who’ve defended our country have guaranteed you that right, among many others. I, too, will support this franchise and I’ll support all members of the franchise who I believe are doing the job properly that they are being paid (handsomely) to do. But if they do things that I believe are WRONG and INEFFECTIVE, I reserve the right to demand better. YOU did not know me during the glory years so, perhaps, you have no idea how much I praised the many successes of the Dolphins franchise during the ’70’s, ’80’s and ’90’s. –Clearly, the good outweighed the bad, especially after George Wilson, Sr., was shown the door. –I was one of many clamoring THEN for a better head coach. When Don Shula was hired, I PRAISED Robbie for getting the best available head coach, even if he had to pay for it with the penalty of a #1 draft choice.
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So if you DON’T like me critcizing ANY dolphin organization members who I believe are NOT performing as I would like them to perform, feel free to totally ignore my postings. But know this; I’m NOT a chronic complainer. I only complain when I believe I have just cause. And during the Ross ownership period there have been too many members of this organization whose performance has merited brutal criticism, Ireland and Sparano being among them.
I never once assailed your right to criticize. I said what I think above. I stand by it. I get tired of the backhanded bullshit comments though. I was compelled to speak up today.
Feel free to stand up, John. And have a good evening.
Good evening yourself. Happy St. Patty’s day.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2015/03/buffalo-finally-makes-offer-to-charles-clay-whopper.html
The trick is he bills front loaded it so that 2016 is a 24
They can match if they really want to, but the question is do they want to? Miami can heavily front load a contract for this year and next with a minimal cost the final 3.
Fish or cut bait time for us with Clay
cut bait
we don’t need to pay a half back that much money. Get another reciever and make sure we get a couple of good starting type guards. Give tanny time and he’ll make an average receiver above average. Just like brady and manning. Invest on the o-line and defense the rest of the way.
I meant 24m for the first 2 years
Of that a 12m cap hit per year that’s tough to swallow
Really, a rogue person in the org not in the room with with Tannenbaum and Hickey know the deal?
Our plan all along may have been we have a number for Clay and if someone wants to blow that away, go for it. By putting that tag on Clay put out feelers for his market. We can either match it or not. It being viewed as a mistake is to say you know exactly what the org was doing. And the way inaccurate reports get thrown around on Twitter, my guess is they don’t know what we’re doing.
I think the fact that Clay signed it the way it was written is because he already knows we’re probably not in at that number and he’s going after his big payday. Which is absolutely his right.
I think they could swing it for Clay. They have the space for this year & they will make the room for next