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started perfectly for the undefeated Dolphins. Earl Morrall calmly marched Miami 80 yards down the field. Larry Csonka burst through a small hole and scored from a yard away. Miami had a 7-0 lead. In the second quarter, Miami’s Curtis Johnson broke through the line and blocked a David Lee punt. Larry Ball recovered inside the Colts’ 30. Two plays later, Morrall tossed a lateral pass to wide receiver Marlin Briscoe. Briscoe, who was a starting quarterback when he played for the Denver Broncos, stood up and threw a perfect forward pass to Paul Warfield who was tackled at the one! Again, Larry Csonka ran the final yard foe a touchdown. Yepremian’s extra point was blocked, leaving Miami with a 13-0 lead. Late in the second quarter, Baltimore’s Boris Shlapak tried a 54-yard field goal. Miami’s Lloyd Mumphord blocked it, giving the Dolphins one more chance before halftime. Yepremian made the most of it, converting a 24-yard field goal on the last play of the first half. 16-0, Miami, at halftime. The Dolphins had started the first half with an 80-yard drive for a touchdown. They repeated that feat with another 80-yard touchdown drive to start the second half. 
Mercury Morris got the final seven yards and Miami was in total control, leading 23-0. The “No Name Defense” took command of the rest of the game, preserving the shutout and dominating Baltimore’s offense. The game ended 23-0. In the Colts’ post game locker room, head coach John Sandusky said “We warned our players all week about Miami’s special teams. Then we give up a blocked punt and a blocked field goal. Our special teams put us in a big hole.” In Miami’s locker, linebacker Mike Kolen, known as “Captain Crunch” for his devastating hits on other players, said “holding your opponent scoreless is something every defense tries to do. When you see a big zero on the scoreboard you know you did your job.” | bailbondmike on 2025 Season – Game 16… |
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Wow, 7.6 Per season average With over 12 million per year the first two years Is a big nut to crack. I don’t know if clay is worth that. Or I should say I don’t think he is worth that. I absolutely love Charles clay. But Armando has a good article about it. Is production just does not match the offer And unfortunately I think we’re going to have to watch one of our favorite players go to a division Opponent Again.
Thanks for writing the story, OD.
Head is a little tender this morning.. but my 48 year stretch of not drinking green beer is still intact, so there’s that…
I hear you, Try Pod. I celebrated by having a 2nd Colorado Kool-aid before retiring.-But I did stay up to watch most of the amazing comeback by Ole Miss in the opening round of March Madness. Down by 17 in the 2nd half, the Rebels rallied for a 94-90 victory in a truly sensational game against BYU
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And thanks, fellas, for the kind comments. I hope all of you get the “warm fuzzies” thinking about the achievements of our beloved 1972 Miami Dolphins. –Many sports writers are making a big thing about Kentucky’s “Run to Perfection” this basketball season. –And well that they should!! –But Dolphin fans already know the feeling of ABSOLUTE PERFECTION!! – – AND WHAT A FEELING IT IS!!–GO FINS!!
Talk to you folks again after I get home from work.
Wednesday – Dolphins Win! Take that Colts.
Whattya say Clay you gonna stay?
we probably won’t find out toDAY
Bufflao sure is willing to PAY
Rex Ryan is really GHEY
Happy (belated) Birthday to Michael Thomas 26 years old, yesterday was his b-day.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Alright Michael Thomas aka Brady Herpes
I thought his name was Rico Tubbs?
Ahhhhh
the smell of 1972 is int he air
Thanks OD for the great piece
Glad we kicked the asses of those Colts
I can’t wait to beat the hell out of those Bills next week!
OL running away with the poll ith 10 votes
https://twitter.com/bigoshow/status/578177324128030720
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Good Movie
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-restructuring-dannell-ellerbes-contract-before-trading-him-cost-miami-cap-space-20150317-story.html
I don’t think it’s a huge deal if we lose Clay. He’s a good player, not a great one. 6 TD’s was his best, and he’s never averaged 50 yards per game or better. I like the CLAYMAKER, but he’s a guy we will have to do without. He more than Odrick actually made things happen out there. I didn’t really have a problem letting Odrick go, I think he was more part of the problem than the solution. He was a better fit when we played 3-4, and he was a DE.
Jordan Cameron is a better TE than Clay anyway, but of course, he has the big injury issue hanging over him. When you spend a ton of money at one position (DT), and then are going to need to spend a ton at QB shortly, these are the casualties you face. If Clay is able to stay healthy, he’ll help BUF, but if EJ Manuel is their QB, I’m not extremely worried about him.
Mike i dont know how you can say Cameron is better. He is a more put receiving TE and thats true, but Clay in our offense is a very potent weapon and Clay’s number are superior to Cameron’s.
put=pure
I said our magic number is 7.5 with Clay. I dont know that another 100k is going to make a difference on their decision. Obviously we have 7 days to crunch some numbers and see if we can make it work. As for production numbers vs worth, trow that crap out the window. The market has been set, the offer has been made, so that’s what he will cost.
We paid Cameron about the same amount on a short term contract. Cameron has more risk associated with the fact he has had so many concussions. Clay hasn’t exactly been the shining example of health either but i dont think his risk nearly creates the same worry as Cameron’s does. Statistically Clay has better stats, they entered the league at the same time, and since then Clay had 1800+ yards and 14td’s to Cameron’s 1600+ and 10TD’s. I can see the differences in one being a more true receiving TE, and the other being a hybrid player, but you cant argue with the stats Clay has put up as justifying why he should be paid any less than Cameron.
Sounds like im alone here, but brining back Clay still makes a lot of sense to me. It opens up a lot of formation both with Clay or Cameron in different receiving positions, along with overloading the secondary with 5 targets to cover with 4 guys. Yes it would put us at over 15mil at the TE position, but the gain could be HUGE. We can afford to make adjustments to make it work and i think it would be smart. Replacing Clay will be next to impossible as he has a very unique skillset, and its one that really works for our offensive scheme.
Top of the morning draft BPA approach:
14: R1P14
WR DEVANTE PARKER
LOUISVILLE
47: R2P15
CB KEVIN JOHNSON
WAKE FOREST
111: R4P15
G ALI MARPET
HOBART
141: R5P13
WR PHILLIP DORSETT
MIAMI (FL)
142: R5P14
OT SEAN HICKEY
SYRACUSE
175: R6P15
ILB BEN HEENY
KANSAS
D
Not true. the year Cameron played 15 games (2013) he had 80 receptions for 917 yards and 7 TD’s. That’s better than Clay ever did. Problem with Jordan is he hasn’t been able to stay on the field, but he’s a more dangerous receiver than Clay for sure.
Different scouting service:
14: R1P14
WR DEVANTE PARKER
LOUISVILLE
47: R2P15
G A.J. CANN
SOUTH CAROLINA
111: R4P15
CB STEVEN NELSON
OREGON STATE
141: R5P13
WR TRE MCBRIDE
WILLIAM & MARY
142: R5P14
ILB MIKE HULL
PENN STATE
175: R6P15
S JAMES SAMPLE
LOUISVILLE
D
Can you explain why Clay is better? Are you saying we need an H-back more than a TE? Is it blocking, because I don’t think Clay was really asked to block all that much, and if it’s 2 TE sets, I would think Dion Sims is a better blocker than Clay.
Our offense isnt built around stretch the field, its more crossing routes, quick out, shallow curls, etc. We do try to exploit the seam after we open it up with our other plays. Clay is a short route receiver, and he is better than Cameron on those plays. Cameron without a doubt gives us two things, ability to get behind the safeties and red zone targets. He complements our offense but doesnt make it,. Clay is a more every down target and really helps between the 20’s where most of the game is played. Clay is superios on the crossing routes, out routes , etc which are our bread and butter. You also cite Cameron’s one year being better than any of Clay’s, but they are only a slight bit off Clay’s best year, and quite frankly, given Cameron’s ability, he should have put up better numbers more consistently. His career totals, which im not sure why you ignore, are lesser than Clays both in TD’s and yards. You seem to be picking one thing to state a fact he is better, im trying to give a more top down view of the comparison. They are equivalent in value to us, and therefore should be equivalent in the money they get from us.
Even Hernandez didn’t get that kinda money and he was a better h-back than clay. I think the right move here is to move on.
I’m still not sure if clay’s knees will hold up. Let the bills worry about it.
I don’t think Hernandez was better, he was on a better offense. Their numbers are very similar.
I tend to think healthy Cameron is better than healthy Clay
I don’t think it’s a big disparity
And the benefit if familiarity is worth something so that is an edge for Clay
The concussion concern is real though
I don’t think we need to bring in another TE
I’m ikay with Cameron, Simms, lynche
Really I think they are different style players. I think Clay is the more physical RAC player while Cameron is a better pure seam threat who has a bigger catch radius and high point ability. Different cuts of fabric.
Agreed. Clay is a unique talent.
Also I’m beginning to think Simms is going to be in Miami Long term. If he continues to improve this year I could see Mismi trying to extend him at the end of the year.
He actually sneaks down the field for some big gains.
The thing with Simms is he is getting more explosive off the LOS. His speed has really improved as he’s dropped weight in a healthy way. He is supposedly in the low 250’s right now, but when he was in the high 260’s at the combine he still ran the 40 in a 4.75 & still had a 35″ vertical which is still impressive. The biggest improvement I’d like to see from him is making the over the shoulder basket catch that he still has struggled with, remember his dropped TDS wk 1 versus the Pats. If he gets that down he becomes a better pure TE than both Clay & Cameron. I am shocked that I can even mention that as I was down on him early in the year.
Benefit from Clay is multi-fold, one he is a good fit for our offesne, he create mismatches causing the D to plan around him when he is on the field by bringing safeties in to help the LB’s cover him, and therefore opens up the potential for seam passes. He can line up in any number of positions providing vesatility on routes. All in all he would make Cameron better because individually, they both are good but together they really set each other up for success.
That was the plan with Keller, to have them both on the field.
D
I’m not ignoring anything. I know Cameron can’t stay on the field, and I said before we signed him that I wouldn’t have signed him. WE DID. Now we have him and his contract. If they did that to as leverage against losing Clay, I think it was an extremely risky move. If they didn’t sign Cameron, I’d say we surely would have matched the contract, but now it’s a little more murky, unless they had an idea all along what BUF would offer, and had plans of being able to match it.
Did you consider that maybe they want Tannehill to grow, and and expand his game, and stop relying on all those short throws? I think it’s possible.
Who’s better between Clay & Cameron?
As Dbolt said, they are both different type of players even if they both have the TE label.
HBACK for the most part are considered TE but they are really backs that lines up at TE rather than a TE than lines up as a back or WR.
In terms of how both produce? Well, Clay and Jordan both have their ways of getting open but Clay can’t go over the top (or catching radius in general) in short space to produce touchdowns in the end zone like Jordan can (prime example -> Lions game this past year).
Clay relies on his legs only to make plays and does so with his feet on the ground.
As for injury risks, Clay will likely be on the field longer and is more reliable in that sense. Jordan is a train wreck waiting to happen at any moment Chad Pennington style.
In conclusion, Clay is a guy who makes it happen between the 20s…Cameron is a guy who makes it happen in the end zone.
Cameron is a seam threat too……that works btwn the 20s as well.
Indeed, and they both help each other all over the field. They set each other up and im sorry you send both crossing the same zone thats a fucking nightmare to cover. Both is a mismatch for a LB and most the time safeties. They would compensate by bringing a safety up and having him help cover that zone as well and then Stills runs a deep post and burns the fuck out of them.
In regards to injuries Clay’s knee will be a HUGE? playing on the recycled tire surface in Buffalo. It’s better than the concrete they used to play on, but that rubberized surface sends a hell of a reverberating shock into your knees and it’s even worse once it’s cold. Either way I wish good health to both players.
Mike E,
There is still the draft and post June cuts to deal with.
It’s too early to see what the blue print is with the latest moves.
Remember when Ireland entered the draft with basically no real RB after Brown/Williams’ contracts expired? lol. That’s when Ireland got desperate in the draft and traded up for Daniel Thomas.
However, Ireland had ideas in the open market (at least he thought an option would exist) and he acquired Bush after the draft to cover for experience at RB starter.
“According to NFL Network, the Dolphins’ final offer to Clay was four-years, $27 million, and less than $15 million of that deal was going to be fully guaranteed.”
So the Bills offered one mil more per year plus one more year and $5 mil extra guaranteed.
Doesn’t sound too exciting in consideration of NY’s state income tax.
And we know that guarantees aren’t really guarantees even if they are stated as such by media outlets. Only the signing bonus is guaranteed (and maybe year 1 base because nobody is going to cut a guy they just signed).
Al
I think we’re likely going to draft a big receiver, either in RD 1 or RD 2, and he will be another redzone target. That’s where we need improvement. We need to get into the endzone.
Al
There also may be a late RD TE that we haven’t considered that the Dolphins like, so there’s that possibility too.
Great so we can listen to you get all verklemp all over again
Nick O’Leary doesn’t look like such a bad option now. Paired with Jordan and on a rookie salary he would be a nice addition.
Stanger
When was ybat offered to Clay made?
Today?
According to the report that is what they offered that was their final offer on a final contract that happened sometime before he signed the offer sheet…..wasn’t clear exactly how long before.
If we don’t keep Clay, a way to make up for his absence would be to bring in an RB with pass catching ability who could serve as a true outlet. I’m thinking a Sproles type.
Both Miller (38) and Williams (21) were good catching passes out of the backfield last year. I could see us utilizing them even more this year.
I think Williams showed he can really play and be a heck of a receiving threat
Agreed on Williams, but then he still has to earn a spot. Miller improved, but still think he’s a runner learning that role. Numbers of catches often have to do more with how many times the ball is thrown to you.
OD, good write up. John Sandusky ended up as a coach under Shula for years.
Some one likes our offseason so far
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/big-fish-the-miami-dolphins-are-the-nfls-offseason-champions-and-thats-dangerous/
Yeah. Me!
Stanger, we targeted Miller 52 times and Williams 27 times. That’s 5 times per game which is pretty good. I think Williams is a lock to make the team unless he does something stupid.
But even if WIlliams makes the team doesn’t mean we will be using him. I liked what I saw, maybe he is the guy that steps into the role but I wouldn’t mind drafted a sure thing for it either.
I do think we will be using him. I think he’s the front runner to spell Miller.
What’s up FUers? Re-sign Clay. We can do it.
Wallace responses to the Pouncey brother comments……..seems from a mind unfocused.
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Mike and Maurkice are my lil bros man… Maurkice was speaking on a general situation Not my situation media can do whatever they want!!!
— Mike Wallace (@Wallace17_daKid) March 17, 2015
But that’s my guys 100 they both Knw ME Personally!! No man could ever call me a coward from the biggest to the smallest guy!!’ I have
— Mike Wallace (@Wallace17_daKid) March 17, 2015
Always held my own… I usually don’t get into all of this but that’s my friends that’s the only reason I’m addressing it
— Mike Wallace (@Wallace17_daKid) March 17, 2015
Anyone here watch Busta Anderson, TE South Carolina?
I do think Williams needs to be more decisive as a runner, but the guy gives great effort every time he touches the ball. Maybe with a year under his belt and in the system he’ll improve.
Son
We just signed our seam threat (As long as he doesn’t get tackled). Now we need a complementary guy. This year is not the draft for elite TE prospects anyway, so I don’t care when we get one.
It will be Sims, and Lynch as the backup. Or maybe one of these other TEs we’ve been collecting – Gerell Robinson, Jake Stoneburner or Ryan Taylor.
I think the Dolphins deal was very fair especially with no state taxes. Clay can move on though if he wants. I think Tannehill can make either TE work and a set with Cameron and Sims will be very dangerous as well.
I would like to get a RB in this draft just because it’s such a good one for RBs.
That is true that it’s a good draft for RBs. I should probably not discount that when I say I don’t think we’ll draft a RB.
I agree that it’s not a necessity option but with so many good ones coming out, might be good to add some great competition to what we have. Miller and Williams are really the only guys we should be keeping from previous years.
marcus thigpen is still available and has similar skills plus he can be a kick returner. He is due to return one for a td also.
Just not a fan. He had the chance, and didn’t get there.
Agreed, I don’t think we’ll look at Thigpen again.
New Age, I do think Gillislee will get a chance to compete one more time being that he missed all of last year. Miller, Williams and Gillislee are the only backs on the team. So if we don’t draft one I see us signing a couple of UDFAs and maybe a vet on the cheap.
I’m sure he will since it can’t hurt. I don’t have much faith but he is competition.
Mike E. says:
March 18, 2015 at 11:44 am (Edit)
Son
We just signed our seam threat (As long as he doesn’t get tackled). Now we need a complementary guy. This year is not the draft for elite TE prospects anyway, so I don’t care when we get one.
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It is not a good year for TEs in the draft. All the more reason to re-sign Clay. The offer is not a back breaker. It is essentially the number where we valued Clay at $7.5 million. It is just how it is structured with years 1 & 2 being the biggest years but I think we can manage that.
If we really want him back there are ways to make it work.
LMAO!!!!
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/someone-did-a-shit-so-bad-a-british-airways-flight-had-to-turn-around-and-land-475
“Your asshole is essentially a terrorist.” LMAO!!!!
LOL!
Now that’s funny!
I loved the caption on the picture too:
“No suggestion that this particular airplane is currently weighed down with shit. It’s just a photo of an airplane. “
Piggy I think this is a classic poll opportunity. Match or No Match (for Clay).
I think “No Match might have the lead, but I think the “Match” group might just be a little more subdued.
I’m not sure how I feel. I would be ok either way I think. I get all sides. Jordan’s concussion concerns, Clay’s knee concerns, the mismatches a 2 TE set could create, in the end, I’m 100% undecided.
OD, I want to use my freedom of speech to thank you for the article. As usghe, nicely done.
Good call. It is a good poll topic. I vote match.
OD,
I also want to thank you for another great article. One of my favorite parts is that I know who wins every time.
Mike E
I would love to draft some one named Busta
that is the stuff dreams are made of
Mando is now also riding the Tannehill is the reason we have let go of WRs. Not possible that they were all overpaid for performance…
OD — loved the write-up. How much must have Shula loved putting up twenty-three to a donut hole against the Colts?
if you don’t have a QB it doesn’t matter who the WRs are. Bills are just putting a lipstick on a pig.
These posts need “like” buttons.
Bleacher Reports treatment of the Clay offer sheet:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/charles-clay-reportedly-signs-huge-offer-sheet-with-buffalo-134749254.html
The deal would make Clay “the fourth-highest paid tight end in the league behind Jimmy Graham, Julius Thomas and Rob Gronkowski.” That’s when I start kicking the tires on what kind of G or WR you can get for the same cash.
he’s not the 4th best TE in the league because he’s not even a true TE.
Boulder — taking it you have an opinion on the Clay match or not match. 🙂
I’m with you though…..even if I like the thought of his and Cameron, it would be a luxury. Need both 2 more solid wideouts and a kick ass G.
My mistake- it is from Shutdown Corner, not Bleacher Report.
Thanks for the link. Nice to have someone besides Armando to rely on for info…
Who gives a shit
Hello Jermaine Gresham
Now that would be a shocker, but given the price for Clay…….
apparently he’s got a back injury which is why he hasn’t received any offers yet.
Hi there Stefen Wisniewski
Howdy Mason Foster
stanger. exactly. We have a QB. The bills, the jets and the likes don’t. We were in their shoes before. Going out and getting BM and Bush etc…. It didn’t matter. If you don’t have a QB it really doesn’t matter who the receivers are.
Do think the moves they’ve made show they have confidence in him now. Don’t need to hold his hand.
No question. As far as I’m concerned, the QB gets to call the shots on receivers. If he and Wallace weren’t a good fit, I sure as hell wouldn’t be siding with Wallace.
The ball watchers are going to hate this one!!!!!
14: R1P14 OT LA’EL COLLINS LSU
47: R2P15 RB MELVIN GORDON WISCONSIN
111: R4P15 C B.J. FINNEY KANSAS STATE
141: R5P13 WR JOSH HARPER FRESNO STATE
142: R5P14 S ADRIAN AMOS PENN STATE
175: R6P15 ILB MIKE HULL PENN STATE
MIke E will like it at least. To tell the truth, I said no way on Collins at #14, but with Stills and Suh (which takes away from the need for a stud LB)…….looking more realistic these days.
I love it…save for the Gordon selection. I’d probably be going WR there given what I think will be available.
Graham isn’t a true TE either.
Horseshit
You don’t remember him trying to be considered a WR? He’s not an in-line guy, he’s a receiver.
I thought you meant Gresham…my bad. 😉
Gresham is a true TE though….6’5 260
ree agent Michael Crabtree is visiting the Dolphins on Wednesday.
It’s Crabtree’s first-known visit of free agency. Kenny Stills and Jarvis Landry currently sit atop a remade Dolphins depth chart at receiver. If Crabtree signs, he’d be the outside receiver opposite Stills, with Landry in the slot.
If Crabtree comes cheap, I’m in favor. He really grew up that last 2 years. I think he will keep his ego in check.
I mentioned him a few weeks ago and I was almost stoned here. LOL
I saw that. I stayed out of it. LOL…
We always thought you were normally stoned while here…
Bet you we could get him for 2/3rds the cost of Clay.
Piggy,
That article about “Big Fish” is just ridiculous. This offense has jettisoned it’s WR corp down to a second year pkayer that benefited from catch a bunch of short throws and a guy who has been a backup. Yes, they traded for Stills, but claiming he’s a better deep ball threat than wallace is crazy. Wallace wasn’t a deep threat here because of Tannehill. Stills was a deep threat in New Orleans because of Brees. Just watch, they will try to turn Stills into a possession receiver like they do with everyone, and his deep ball proficiency will plummet. I don’t see how anybody can look at this offense and say it’s better than it was a year ago. When you build around a limited QB….your offense will be limited.
Tannehill isn’t limited, in fact he’s capable of doing more than most QBs. But I know how you feel about him so I get it. LOL
Limited by OL play. QB was the number #13 ranked deep passer last year and that’s with his misses to Wallace and the drops by WRs on other opportunities. I’m still puzzled by the lack office meant on a viable vet OG. Unless they have a high confidence level in Thomas as the starter opposite of Turner.
2nd verse same as the first!
Wrong Tim. He cannot stretch the field with the deep ball.
He hit other receivers down the field. It was a Wallace issue. We shall see.
Dbolt, nope. His deep ball issues were there with or without protection issues.
He had issues with Wallace & once again #13.
Miami Dolphins 2016 Free Agents
Mike Pouncey C 25 MIA TBD $7,438,000 UFA
Charles Clay TE 26 MIA TBD $7,071,000 UFA
Ryan Tannehill QB 26 MIA TBD $4,030,364 UFA
Derrick Shelby DE 26 MIA TBD $2,356,000 UFA
Olivier Vernon DE 24 MIA TBD $1,701,520 UFA
Lamar Miller RB 23 MIA TBD $1,663,500 UFA
Kelvin Sheppard ILB 27 MIA TBD $1,350,000 UFA
Rishard Matthews WR 25 MIA TBD $673,403 UFA
Michael Thomas S 26 MIA TBD $585,000 RFA
Ryan Taylor TE 27 MIA TBD $585,000 UFA
Michael Preston WR 25 MIA TBD $585,000 RFA
Jordan Kovacs S 24 MIA TBD $585,000 RFA
T.J. Heath CB 27 MIA TBD $585,000 RFA
McLeod Bethel-Thompson QB 26 MIA TBD $585,000 RFA
Mark Asper LT 29 MIA TBD $585,000 RFA
Jake Stoneburner TE 25 MIA TBD $510,000 ERFA
Gerell Robinson WR 25 MIA TBD $510,000 ERFA
Lowell Rose CB 25 MIA TBD $510,000 ERFA
Jake Knott ILB 24 MIA TBD $510,000 ERFA
Matt Hazel WR 23 MIA TBD $510,000 ERFA
A.J. Francis DT 24 MIA TBD $510,000 RFA
DeAndre Coleman DT 24 MIA TBD $510,000 ERFA
Sam Brenner C 24 MIA TBD $510,000 ERFA
Tyler McDonald WR 23 MIA TBD $435,000 ERFA
Emmanuel Dieke DE 24 MIA TBD $435,000 ERFA
I really want to get to a point were we are drafting 2 years in advance of or FA’s
That way if someone doesn’t pan out we get another chance at it!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think Randy just comes on here to dial up his inner “Home”
Besides, everything I read is how miami is developing their offense around tannehill’s strengths…short and intermediate passing. If there was no issue with his deep ball, they wouldn’t need to design an offense for him that doesn’t focus on it.
The concern I have is whether or not we can score points and win when teams don’t have to worry about defending the whole field….sorta like they used to do against Pennington because he couldn’t throw deep.
It’s a high percentage passing offense. There is plenty of tape of Tanny pushing the ball down the field 20+ yards. Just because he didn’t hit Wallace in stride a few times doesn’t mean he can’t push the ball down the field. I’ve always felt this topic was exaggerated and overly used by people who don’t like Tannehill.
Agreed. The difference between Tannehill and Pennington’s deep ball is night and day. Tannehill was fine with WRs that actually practiced with him in the pre and off season.
To close out the season with NE, Minn, & the Jets his deep passing was spot on
Yep, we’ll see.
Wyoming,
I miss Home. He was entertaining, and he actually did make some hood points every now and then. Lol
Unlike your failed attempts to make everyone believe Tannehill isn’t a good QB.
Poor Wallace….imagine the year he could’ve had if Tanny wasn’t his QB last season. 🙄
Tim,
I disagree. Not being able to stretch the field is an issue, and we rarely do it. We need 12 play drives to score because we can’t get chunk yards. Why? Partly because we can’t stretch the field. It also affects our running game because safeties aren’t kept honest.
You talk about getting big plays all the time but yet downplay the importance of stretching the field. Easier to throw a 30 yard pass than throw a 15 yard pass and expect the receiver to run for 15 yards.
Yet when teams like the NE score on 12-14 play drives, everyone lauds them as NFL powerhouses on offense. smh
A lot of that was the lack of YAC. When you throw short and medium range passes you want YAC. Remember Montana hitting Rice or Taylor on a 7 yard slant and they took it to the house? Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb do the same thing in GB.
Jahn,
Wrong again. Tannehill has had issues hitting deep throws before Wallace ever played here. He missed Hartline on many. This is not a wallace…or a Wallace never practiced(ludicrous notion) is due.
Nope. Right as usghe.
LOL…
BTW, Tannehill and Wallace came in the same offseason.
Wrong again. Did he miss some deep throws? Yes he did, but I saw a stat where if you removed MWs targets Ryan has been the #6 rated deep passer. Once you add Wallaces targets it dropped to #17.
LOL….@ those pesky stats.
Randy:
The reason why we rarely stretch the field with the deep ball is because almost every time we tried Tannehill is planted on his backside by the absolute inadequate pass protection he has had through out his entire career.
C’mon now….Tanny always had at least 1.7 seconds to find his receivers deep downfield, err, standing just beyond the line of scrimmage.
Maybe we should sign Jay Schroeder to throw the deep ball.
LMAO…
GDP
Wallace did just fine in his career without Tannehill throwing him the ball, and he’ll do just fine in Minnesota. Wallace has produced where ever he’s been. Now, is he a good teammate…debatable, but his production isn’t.
Completion % on deep passing for Wallace got progressively worse in Pitt. His final season Ben completed the same percent of targets to Wallace deep that Tannehill did in his MWs first season in Miami. I don’t remember the exact number, but it was like 23-25%
He had 10TD’s last year. I guess Tannehill sucks, even tho that was the best year that Big Ben could get out of him too.
Ken,
That’s simply not true, but folks keep saying it. Tannehill was getting adequate protection the first half of the season, but we still didn’t stretch the field. I agree that the protection went downhill after the midway point of the season but not before. I watched TANNY have time to set his feet and throw with plenty of time and still miss his receiver by 3 yards. Are you saying that just never happened? Nobody seems to remember how inconsistent he was for the first 8 games or so.
Wrong again, he went on a tear starting with the Raider game. That was week 4.
yeah
he threw for a high % and played well
but he didn;t throw deep
I think that is what Randy means
Oops, I forgot…we had a brand new offensive system. Heck he shoulda been hitting guys 40yards down the field every series to start the season.
Most sacked QB in league since he has been a pro but that didn’t happen either. Yeah he has great protection.
I agree with this
I’ve said similiar before
We did have time for the first part of the season and we didn;t throw deep
but I think that was the design of the offense
And I don;t think when we threw deep they were great throws
I think calling Tanny limited though is taking it to a level I don;t agree with
Inconsisties in games 1-3. Wasn’t only him, you had a lot of incorrect routes run by the WRs also.
Randy
I didn’t write the article, don;t blame me
I guess the idea is that Still can do the same things as Wallace
I wouldn;t get carried away qwith the WR changes, I don’t think we were getting a lot of production out of Hartline and Gibson
I think the writer also was under the impression we would have Cameron AND Clay
If we came into the season with Cameron & Clay, Stills, Landry and a rookie WR like Parker , and we improved the OL – I think the offense would improve
The offseason is not done yet
But I can see the moves we made making us a better offense if we make a couple of other moves
Some people really like Stills and Cameron I guess, so they are ready to say that now
It cracks me up we had a QB with over 4K yards. 2nd highest % of completions in team history and better than a 2-1 TD to int ratio and it’s his fault while we traded away or released WRs. SMH. Maybe we should have signed Ryan Fitzpatrick.
I heard Matt Schaub is available.
Dbolt,
Oh, so we’re gonna go the stat route then? We all know how that conversation goes around here. Lol besides, just how many deep throws did Tanny attempt to anyone other than Wallace…3? Sample size matters. Lol
Yes sample size matters, but he was always spot on with Clay. You mention how during his rookie season that he missed Hartline on few deep throws but leave out how he’d hit Hartline for big gains that same year. Go back to the NE games: Simms drops a deep over the shoulder TD, Wallaxe runs himself out of bounds on another nice throw while Wilfork is in his grill…GM 2 underthrow on a 50yd completion to MW, Hartline loses what should’ve been a 70yd TD in the sun, and Damien Williams drops a deep over the shoulder TD, he hits Wallace with a perfectly placed deep pass for a TDS prior to the half. This can’t throw a deep pass is very incorrect. He will miss deep passes, but every QB does.
It’s funny this debate about Tannehill throwing deep. Do we really need to debate it when we all know what we see? It really comes down to how extreme you go one way or the other. I try to not to be extreme about it. He’s not a great deep passer but he’s not bad either. He throws very nice zip line medium range passes which is his bread and butter. It was Marino’s too. 🙂
The problem with this debate is that people are very defensive about Tanny
If you removed everything in your post but the phrase “he’s not a great deep passer” 10 posts telling you how wrong you are would follow
The fact is Tanny has not been a great deep passer so far
And I just think arguing that is denial
but I don’t agree with taking that to the level of challenging Tanny ability to be our QB of the future
And I think some people are ingoring the design of the offense which really doens;t get a lot out of the deep ball
Is it really that people are “defensive”? Because it never comes up until Randy gets Offensive about Tannehill.
I agree with Tim, and I think most here agree. He may not be a “great” deep passer, but he’s a VERY GOOD QB overall, and has potential to be great. I really don’t see what’s to criticize. The kid works his ass off everyday to get better. Sitting around nitpicking the weaker parts of his game while ignoring his strengths does it for some, but for me it seems off the mark.
You guys make my day. I work with the mentally ill, so I’m used to delusional thinking. Lol
Anyway…nice chatting with you. Enjoy another year of mediocrity. No doubt it will be everybody’s fault BUT tannehill’s.
Now back to your regularly scheduled fanboy chat.
See ya grumpy!
Ken, no, we should’ve signed the Mighty Flynn in FA back in 2012. Imagine what he could’ve become by now, especially throwing deep to Wallace. Aaron who?
He hurt his shoulder.
I always said I was with Philbin on that call. Glad he made the right call. I think they intended to draft Tannehill anyway and have him compete. Funny that instead of losing his job to Tannehill he lost it to Wilson.
JAHN,
I’m not grumpy. All my posts were made with a big grin on my face! Lol
And I’m out.
😀
^ me.
Randy’s bucket list….piss off Tannehill fans as often as possible….lol
Good to see ya bud. Have a good remaining day.
Randy is right. Tannehill is limited….in pleasing Randy that is.
Tannehill has been unable to throw the deep ball consistently, he either overthrows or underthrows it and if you claim that is not an issue then you are wrong. He got Dustin Keller’s knee/career destroyed on a pass thrown behind him and same for Gibson. He is much slower to react to pressure then say Russell Wilson, who did not exactly have great protection as well. Great QBs i.e. Tom Brady or Peyton Manning make any receiver look good. Tannehill has yet to do that. If we do not make the playoffs this year and he cannot come through in big games then he will have been a major bust IMO.
I don’t blame Tanny for Keller or Gibson
DJ swearinger dove at Keller’s knees – it really doesn;t matter where the ball was placed if a defender does that
Gigi — Tanny had a 93 QB rating last year and a mighty fine season overall. He might not be able to carry a team on his back yet, but he’s a long way from being a major bust. No matter what happens next season, and playoffs or not are only party in his control.
Major Bust is WAY off the mark IMO.
You call those of us who don’t agree with what you’re saying here, when a lot of what you wrote here is inaccurate. But you rarely say anything positive about the team anyway. LOL
damn, i missed randy. shoot. i always look forward to he refreshing view of how world hunger is still and issue cause tanny cant move in the pocket.
i am not even going to look back, i am sure the chat was tanny sucks, the oline is average and tanny still sucks
Bingo.
Piggy, I’ve seen Tanny hit Hartline and Clay in stride down the field. He also threw two perfect passes down the field to Sims that he dropped. He can do it. The reality is we don’t attempt that many deep throws.
I saw a stat a few weeks ago that said Tanny was 10th in comp. pct. on throws of 20+ or more. But his attempt numbers were low. Luck wasn’t even in the top 10 in comp. pct. but he probably connected on 20 more deep balls than Tanny because he attempts a lot of them.
That 20 yard+ stat is a better measure than the often referenced 30+ stat because of sample size. When you consider the drops, the lazy efforts from Wallace, that ranking in 20+ attempts is actually pretty impressive.
It’s all academic discussion anyway since he doesn’t have to be the best deep passer in the league for us to succeed, since the offense isn’t built that way.
I remember in 2012 he did a good job of hitting Hartline deep – teh Cardinals game comes to mind
and it seemed like he hit Clay deep(er) in 2013 a few times. – the Colts game comes to mind
But I don;t remember it at all last year
This was not simply a Wallace issue
I thinkt hat criticism is way off the mark
Ultimately I get the point you are making
I have no problem with a shorter passign game iof the QB is accruate
and that is sort of the expectation with the WCO
I think Tanny is doing his job
But whent he opportunity is there for him – you want to see him hit the deep ball
It changes the game
So far I don;t think he has done that and may have evne regressed in 2014
Jahn
We have the discussion without Randy many times here, and people want to deflect as much a spossible from Tanny – so I don’t think the conversation is ever reasonable
I agree that Tanny is a good overall QB
He has a shot at becoming one of the better QBs int he league
I’m not reaslly concenred about the QB position
But I don;t lie to myself about the player
I encourage you to reread mine and Tims responses. Just read my reply above. I think there are plenty of reasonable responses to Randy. Neither of us tout him as an outstanding deep passer, but as you say (and I echoed in my own posts) he doesn’t have to be all-world in that department because of the way the offense is designed.
It’s not like Randy shows up being all reasonable and every response to him is totally irrational. LOL..he instigates this discussion every single time. it entertains him.
What’s lying to yourself? No one saying he’s great at the deep ball, but it’s a gross generalization and lazy to say he’s bad or sucks at it.
Gigi, you too? SMH
FWIW Tom Brady is not a good deep ball passer. Statistically he is one of the worst at throwing the deep ball.
He has a shitty OL too…oh wait….
That is right
and that offense is defiantely a short passign game
They sort of came around late int he year with Lafell
Brady used to go deep a lot more though (with Moss) they have just changed as an offense
That is about the only time that Brady was good with the deep ball but historically speaking he has generally been near the bottom of the league in % of completions of deep passes.
Yeah because all he had to do was throw it up and Moss would go get it. Moss is the best deep WR I’ve ever seen.
So now anytime an offensive player gets hurt, it’s Tannehill’s fault. Now I’ve heard everything….LMAO.
DJ Swearing agrees and then kicks you in the nuts (because he is dirty)
First pass. LOL
lol @ you guys trying to talk to the tanny haters with facts. it is worse then talking religion or politics.
no matter what tanny does they will always speak poor about him.
They yearn for the days of Henne
Tim, you’re gonna believe what some video says?
Randy & Gigi have good company 😉
Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
“@DexterC73: Is Tannehill a leader?”» ask someone else. Nobody would like or respect my answer.
Mainly because you don’t know the answer Omar, you’re too busy being bias.
i had a client a little pissy i hadnt finished his returns yet. i just told him it wasnt my fault it was tannys fault and the client said, ‘well in that case i understand’
That video also shows no pocket presence. LOL
Tanny is a work in progress. but I think the jump he made from year 2 to 3 makes me think that he can be a championship caliber QB. He does need to work on his deep ball.
His short distance accuracy has improved immensely. That’s what brady does. He’s very accurate short distances. The long ball will come. I hope we invest in the o-line and build on running attack that we had last year. If we can run the ball and keep tanny up right we’ll be fine.
That’s how I feel about it. Needing to work on parts of his game is an even keeled way to say it without being hyper negative and exaggerating to criticize the guy.
Bills signed WR Percy Harvin, formerly of the Jets, to a one-year, $6 million contract.
It’s official this time. The deal was agreed to five days ago, but a report surfaced that the 49ers were trying to make a late push to pry Harvin away from Buffalo. Instead, Harvin is hitching his wagon to Matt Cassel and following coach Rex Ryan to Western New York.
i too hope one day tanny can inspire to the greatness of wilson. i mean who doesnt want their qb to throw 4 picks in the conference championship and one incredible pick to lose a sb.
Wilson escapes pressure because he doesn’t stand tall in the pocket, he runs immediately at any sense of pressure.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
When Michael Crabtree came out in 2009, he was No. 1 player on Jets’ board. Jets former GM Mike Tannenbaum now in MIA. Crabtree visiting.
Crabtree is a very good possession WR.
I’d take Crabtree plus a rook in the first two rounds. Four quality wideouts might make up for not having a 2 TE set.
Just watched the play Dustin Keller got injured on a couple times. No it ain’t a great throw, but it didn’t end up in “Danger Will Robinson” territory either. Was just another play, except it came with a bad end.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000231285/Dustin-Keller-injures-knee
tim
any one that is going to say wilson is an elite qb is just starving for some attention. he is barely an average qb that plays on a team with a monster rb and maybe the best d in the nfl.
but i am sure some are going to give him all the credit in the world for the recovering that onsides kick to spur his team onto the sb
Elite or not we can debate, but Wilson has some might find game savvy to him.