A Sonny Football Fantasy
Dolphins Mock Draft
by son of a son of a shula
Alright no stories of poop today, instead we’ll discuss ordinary draft bullshit. Kiper has us taking Nelson Agholor at 14. Talk about a stretch or reach. Most mocks out there have us taking either a CB, OT who will play Guard or a Wide Receiver. Well we are officially inside of two weeks until the draft starts so there is an end in sight. Thank goodness because this really gets crazy and guys like Kiper flip out. Remember you should take the best athlete or player at your pick not reach for a position of supposed need.
If there is a run early on Wideouts then the idea of trading way up to get Cooper or White makes sense, you will have beaten the crowd to the checkout. But an early slip up by the first few teams could leave a high end top five player dangling out there. Imagine if Fowler slid to #5, teams would go crazy trying to trade up to get him. Charles Davis has Leonard Williams going at #5 in his mock to show yet again the insanity that begins to creep in.
I feel that the NFL people evaluate the talent pretty well and I don’t expect to see many of the crazy things we see from mocksters. Based on that assumption I will put forth my mock of the top 15 picks followed by my mock/hope for the Dolphins haul in this draft.
1. Bucs – Winston
2. San Diego – Mariota (trade)
3. Jax – Fowler Jr.
4. Oakland – White
5. Washington – Williams
6. Stej – Beasley (eerie shades of Gholston)
7. Dolphins – Cooper (trade)
8. Atlanta – Shane Ray
9. Giants – Brandon Scherff
10. St. Louis – Jalen Collins
11. Minnesota – Devonte Parker
12. Cleveland – La’el Collins
13. Saints – Randy Gregory
14. Chicago – Breshad Perriman
15. San Fran – Arik Amstead
As you can see we make a splash and land Amari Cooper who will fit our offense like a glove. And I’m as insane as Charles Davis.
The rest of our draft is as follows, assuming we used next years #1 to move up and maybe another player. Whatever the trade compensation would be I’m assuming for the purposes of doing this that we retain the remainder of our picks.
2 – McKinney LB
4 – Nick O’Leary TE
5 – Arie Kouandijo G
5 – Cam Thomas CB
6 – Tyler Varga – You knew I had to do that!
So there are my predictions as we move inside of two weeks to the actual draft.
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Varga!!!!!!
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Son,
Nice draft. In regards to Agholor I’ve considered him 1st round worthy for a while. He is stylistically similar to Cooper but is a better high point player. Cooper is an ELITE route runner and has ELITE hands. Cooper has a lower ceiling, but a higher floor. If you could move up with just next years first I could see it happening. If not Agholor is 1st round worthy.
Nice job Sonny! I like that we got Cooper, but man do I hate giving up next years #1. I can’t roll with that. I also don’t think Koujo is available in the 5th, and I don’t like him anyway. I’ll stop before this looks like a bitch post. lol
Getting Varga fixes everything though.
It’s draft time. LOL
SMH (scratching my head) @ Son the UCF homey, with the Bears trading picks with us so we can get Cooper & then they take Perriman @ #14….lol
Yeah i could live with that draft. I know the cost of a next years 1 is high but the return could be really equal to staying put at 14 and drafting another mid ranger next year. If we re in a strike not position, i think for sure a 1st next year would be wisest trade offer, and it would likely be appetizing for a team like Chicago who are probably more in rebuild mode than strike now. This IMO has a lot of merit and is more a realistic scenario than a dream. Good job Son.
Only dream part i think is Kouandjio in the 5th, not sure he lasts that long but given where he is slotted (approximately 3rd at this point) a draft day shift of a couple rounds wouldnt be shocking.
What’s up FUers? A rare office day for me today. Hopefully I will have some time to keep an eye on the blog today.
Fans are afraid of trade ups because they like more draft picks. The bottom line is it’s about acquiring talent and there is no perfect formula. If we feel getting a special talent at the top helps put us over the top I’m all for it. We’ve done the average thing for a long time. We didn’t sign Suh because we’re looking 2-3 years down the road. Just keep that in mind.
I am not a huge fan of draft trades up or down but I agree with you. The signing of Suh puts us in a win now mode so if there is a talent above 14 that we think is a difference maker such as an Amari Cooper or Kevin White I am all for a trade up.
I love Aghjolor — in the 2nd round.
Im not a fan of him. He shows up pretty ok on film, but i just cant see him on equal level with Devin Smith, Philip Dorsett, Sammie Coates or even Justin Hardy. He has tons f potential but i would feel a lot better about one of the guys i listed than i would Aghjolor
I like Devin Smith a lot as well. I would be very happy with him in round 2 as well. I like Coates but I think he is raw and will need time to develop. I think Agholor is a better WR than him right now, Coates may have more upside. Dorsett is a great deep threat in the Mike Wallace mold but I think he is a little too small for what we want in a WR. I much prefer Devin Smith who has better size but all of the same type of explosiveness that Dorsett has. I have not really seen that much of Hardy to have a strong opinion one way or the other. The other round 2 prospect who I like a lot is Funchess. I see him as a Plaxico Burress clone. Real red zone threat who can gain separation with his size more so than speed.
another benefit of trading next years #1 is that is money saved which we have little cap space money next year.
Actually we are slated to be better cap wise next year than we were this year.
Not sure about that. We are in pretty bad cap shape next year. Something like 135 million already committed with only 37 guys under contract for next year.
I find it funny worrying about whether a guy will be there in the 5th rd or not. You’re not relying on that guy to make an immediate impact anyway.
14 is one of those positions where trade up, trade down and stay put ALL have merit. Its really flexible spot, and i said that as soon as it was determined we would be picking there. It really puts the pressure on the GM’s and scouts to have significantly done thier homework and determined what the best option is, so to me it all depends on the confidence you have in our staff to do their job. There is no clear cut BEST plan for us at 14, which is bot good and potentially scary. Only thing i keep coming back to is draft currency, we dont have it this year, outside trading picks from next year, that may limit the potential partners as im sure most are going to want something that pays off now.
The way I look at no. 14 this year is that it is kind of the sweet spot in the draft. At 14 we should be able to find an impact player. It may not be at WR but there are also good options at 14 on OL, CB, S or RB. We trade down our options become more limited for impact players but we get more developmental talent. We trade up, fewer developmental players but in theory we get the greater impact player. So to me, stay put or trade up but do not trade down this year.
The Wedge report has a tie between La’el Collins and DGB
Wedge is distraught – who to scout???
But it looks like the ScrotumHurtsNow Device is in the lead – sickos!
I voted for DGB as WRs are your wheelhouse. Go with that.
He is still 2 votes between Collins
I’m about to close the voting
So Collins it is
Now the question is: What kind of weapon is he?
Intergalatic road grader
Somebody STOP HIM! Cooper is not and never would be worth TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS! ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?????????? Please stop the madness.
I bet ya he is worth it. He’s a bigger, faster version of Landry who can line up anywhere. I think he would make our offense complete.
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Ken, that’s exactly right. We have an ascending QB entering his 4th season, we added Suh and we already have a few ready now players on the team. What are we waiting for?
moving from 14 to 7 or 8 or 9 is a lat more plausable than moving to 5
I’m not sure it would take a 2016 next though though
more like a 2nd roudner this year
Based on the trade value chart, our 1st, 2nd and 4th wouldn’t be enough to get to #5. So a 2016 pick or a player(s) would likely have to be involved.
Yeah but I am talking about moving up to 7, 8 or 9
which should be a 2nd – maybe a little more, like a 5th or a 6th
It would cost more, to move up to 7-8 would cost us 1st and a 2nd and 5th at minimum. We need those picks. Id be WAY happier with trading next year’s 1 than 2 other pciks from this year. I feel we pretty much NEED that 2nd as well, i mean going from 1st round pick all the way to the 4th would be detrimental to me far more than trading next year’s 1, which if all goes well is a later round 1.
I agree. I am actually more comfortable with trading next year’s no. 1 than our no. 2 this year.
I don’t have a problem mortgaging one high pick in 2016 to make an impact this year. It’s not like we’ll fall apart because of one lost draft pick next year. We’ve got a lot of key pieces in place. Let’s get better now.
NO NO NO NO NO NO and FUCKING NO! I would smash my TV and anything else at hand if we traded next year’s first round pick to move up. Cooper has the potential to be a great player. But so do TWO first round picks!
You just love mediocrity. LOL
Yup that’s me RockMediocrityloverphin
I swear I will drive to Davie and murder Tannebaum / hickey at their desks if they did it.
If he is the difference between wining now or waiting another year why not use next year’s no. 1? Signing Suh narrows our window of opportunity. We need to win in the next couple of years. Holding on to future picks is nice but may be counter productive to what we need at the moment.
what about trading our 1st next year and getting a 3 or 4 th their from trading partner
looks like Collins is the The Tentacle Disposer
This year you might want to trade next year’s #1
But next year you are gonna hate it….lol
Not if we became a better team and made the playoffs.
Its not madness to trade a next year pick, picks are currency, currency is purchasing power. I do think it means you HAVE to purchase the right product, but wouldnt staying at 14 and having a next year 14 pretty much still mean we HAVE to pick well. Im ready for us to make a bold move on a great player. Fowler, Cooper, Leonard Williams (and i don’t mean for us but in general) are all players worth taking that kinda chance on. They all have shown NFL ability at the college level. I wouldnt fault any team for spending a next years 1st on any of those guys. Now some teams a re further away from being deep in the draft next year, so they could be giving away more but i think if we got a guy like Cooper, we could be picking in the 22ish range at the least which means that 1st isnt really as big a cost as if your mind is around us picking somewhere around where we are, but thats basically saying nothing we do at 14 will make us better…. so i mean i dont see the argument there unless you are just a perpetual pessimist.
Piggy, our 1st and 2nd would be enough to get to #7.
http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php
Yeah, that makes sense, given that we moved from 10 to 3 a couple of years ago – which was a slight benefit to us in terms of value ont he vlaue chart
Moving up to 5 or better is when it gets pricey
LOL @ Rock
2016 defensive draftees worth a looksee
Myles Jack
Shawn Oakman
Vernon Hargraves III
Jalen Ransey
There’s gonna be a lot of talent next year
http://nextimpulsesports.com/2015/04/16/shawn-kemp-is-co-hosting-a-party-in-seattle-to-celebrate-the-thunder-missing-the-playoffs/
All 18 of his kids are expected to attend the party that takes place in a shoe
LOL, so Kemp is the old woman who lives in a shoe? He had so many kids his uterus fell out.
Why do we care about giving up a #30-32 1st round pick next year? 😉
There is no guaranty that White is the 1st WR off the board
I think Cooper, White or evenn a darkhorse like Perriman might be the 1st wr off the board
In which case moving up to say 7 or 8 or 9 makes a little more sense than moving all the way to 5
There is actually no guaranty that a WR goesin the first 5 picks at all
what if no WR goes inthe top 6 picks?
Given all the pass rushers at the top of this draft, the 2 QBs which might go top 2, a high quality CB like Waynes, OL like Collins and Scherf and players like Gurley that are wildcards it spossible the top WR is avilable at 7 or later
So if that happens, then trade up?
IMO that is a lot easier to digest
I have a hard time seeing the Raiders pass on a WR. I think ideally they would love to move down and get extra picks and still can land a quality WR. So I think if there is a likely trading partner the Raiders would be a good one but that is all the way to no. 4.
Tim
even if we made the playoffs its a little tough to digest not having a 1st next year
I tend to like a lot of the draft prospects that are ranked between 20-40 every year
A lot of quaility players are there annually
You can usually land a good LB, DT, WR, RB or DB in that area
There are plenty of probolwers that go late first and early 2nd
You trade up enthusiasts are nuts in this draft where it’s been repeatedly said by different NFL experts on how very little the talent differs in the Top 50-75+ players of this draft class.
The cream of the crop is in the top 10 then the rest levels off.
I would hate to give up our no. 2 this year because we don’t have a no. 3. I would prefer to give up next year’s no. 1 and keep the no. 2 for this year because there will be good talent in round 2 that can help immediately.
Waiting to round 4 for our 2nd pick would deprive us of a potential impact player imo.
Which begs of staying put or trading down with that assumption.
You guys keep talking trading up to get an impact player, but now you say there will be an impact player in the 2nd…so which is it? lol
You could trade up but you would have to give up next year’s no. 1 which imo is just fine.
The Flying Pig says:
April 17, 2015 at 10:19 am
So Collins it is
Now the question is: What kind of weapon is he?
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A lactating cock farter of devastation
That is still in th works
We only have a bluepirnt
Well you’re rolling out the design plans tomorrow aren’t you?🐓💨💥
La’El Collins the Tentacle Disposer
Okay…
if you guys says so…
With the 2 question marks on the Oline not answered!
I can’t et behind trading up for a WR!
No way No how!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now if we get a OT that can play OG in FA before the draft!
I might consider it!
Or we can sign one after the June cuts and post draft.
I tend to think that may be the plan if we come up empty at OL inthe draft
maybe the Eagles actually cut Mathis
but they might not do it before the draft
Unless they have someone with an illegally signed contract already it’s to much of a risk!
IMHO of course!
…especially in a known deep WR class this year, like last.
I bet you half of the WRs being discussed in this deep pool don’t pan out as anything special. Happens every year. But pre-draft there are always great expectations and projections. I think we make too much out of trading picks to move up. The issue is if every year you have no picks because of trading them away, not once in awhile.
Tim,
The value changes by supply and demand i guess (trade up or trade down value).
Some team committed to trading down without a desperate team looking to trade up aggressively will not get much going down (just a 2nd or 3rd RDer) while a desperate team can drive up the price.
Buffalo last year moved from 9 to 4 (Cleveland) and gave up their 2015 1st & 4th RD picks to do so.
Meanwhile, Miami gave up a 2nd RDer in 2013 to move up from 12 to 3.
SD & Cleveland will be in a bidding war to trade up for Mariota, maybe even Philly too.
SD has Rivers. The no. 2 pick is theirs if they want it. No one else can offer a franchise QB with what is likely 4-5 good years left.
It’s just a guide to go by. There really is no other way for us fans to do it without knowing the details. We’ve all seen the mocks here where we end up with 7 2nd round picks. Yeah that’s realistic. LOL
I think Ultimately I would rather go WR at 14 even if that means White and Cooper are off the baord
and a defensive player (LB or CB) in the 2nd round
I don;t hate trading up though
expecially if it nabs us Kevin White – if we get white I’m buying that jersey
The White one?
🙂
Okay Humans
I’m out
Catch up later
Nice piece Son — exactly what should be done is bring up possible scenarios for us……even if I would be so against trading next year’s one, mostly from a selfish standpoint. We do that and March and April next year are going to be real boring.
It’s about winning, not about draft picks. We’ve been mediocre for quite some time with plenty of draft picks.
Guess I’m just more patient. Every year you could make the team better by trading away future picks. Just not sure why this year is the one to do it in.
This trade up discussion brings up on how much value everyone puts on draft choices. The idea of trading up makes people think we are giving up gold. Draft picks are valuable but they are only valuable if you use them wisely. I don’t see it as unwise to use a future pick now that may well be the difference between being a contender now or a another year as a pretender. We have a narrow window now, it is wise to load up on the talent now. Losing a no. 1 next year is not going to set us back especially if we go deep into the playoffs.
Bingo! The name of the game isn’t the draft, it’s winning football games.
Why do you think our window is a narrow one? I see a young team with Suh signed long-term and a young QB just starting to hit his stride.
Agreed Stanger…they must think we have Manning & Wilfork 😉
“Remember you should take the best athlete or player at your pick not reach for a position…”
Son — and think you have to have to balance need versus talent. Just like Barney does hot and crazy.
Tim, yeah we’ve had a lot of draft picks in the past, but they were not used wisely by the grocery shoppers at the time…lol
Hopefully that is changed with the addition of Hickey/Mr. T.
There are only 7 draft picks per year. (Typically less for the dolphins) I am a proponent of building your team through the draft so you need every pick you can get. With ONLY using draft picks (not taking free agency into consideration) it takes 7 years of drafts to fill out a 53 man roster. (7.57 years actually) with the average NFL career being 3.5 years you can never build / maintain a roster giving your picks away. With the BOAT LOADS of money we are spending between Suh & Tannehill over the next few years plus having to re-up some of the players we have that are coming to the ends of their contracts it is CRITICAL that we draft and develop ‘cheep’ young talent. we cannot afford to throw away 1st round draft picks to move up for good, but not “the best” players. It will spell doom for this franchise.
Good teams usually do both. They have to draft well and they also use FA. The Pats have done both, they trade for extra picks and then you see them trade those picks to get talent and make FA Signings such as Revis. It’s not an all or nothing.
Stanger, to me signing Suh was a sign that 7-9 and 8-8 is no longer acceptable. This team is trying to change that and get to the next level. A draft pick or two isn’t the end of the world.
Don’t get me wrong Tim — I think 8-8 will get Philbin fired. I just don’t see any one player in this draft who is going to get us to the bowl over Denver and NE or win it against, say, Seattle.
Stanger:
I see it as a narrow window in that We have committed so much money to the roster for the next 3 years that this team has to win now or it is likely to get blown up if it doesn’t. Between Suh’s contract, Pouncey’s, Tannehill’s likely extension the window to win is now. If it doesn’t I expect that you will see us start to cut the dead weight contracts if we fail. Additionally Wake is getting older so the idea of this dominating DL is one that has a short shelf life.
I see Suh and, assuming, Tanny’s contracts as a fact of life for the long-term. Something we will have to live with. And the way we are going to have to do that is with players on rookie contracts. So putting two firsts into one player goes against that.
It would be different if I thought we were ready for the push. Maxing out to win one playoff game I don’t favor.
^^^ this x1000000000000
Like I said
as the roster stands I can’t see trading up for a WR
Hell as the roster stands I could see trading up for an OT/OG
I hate giving up first round picks!
that should be the one pick that plays and makes an impact!
I’ll beat on a dead horse for a second. If we take lane Johnson instead of Jordan we aren’t having his conversation (maybe)!
Last year we took a LB/FS instead of an OT
Spilled milk!
I don’t see anyone in this draft worth 2 1st round picks!
I still see that as a post June 1 fill. I am thinking that is plan. We probably add someone in the draft, probably a round 4 type and if we don’t we sign some one post June 1.
I love the avi.
I like athletes like the next guy but i want a guy who excels at 1 position not very good at 2.
To me, no first rounder should ever have a question mark as to what position is best fit. If that’s the kind of question you are asking, then you shouldn’t be taking that guy in RD 1.
Not necessarily. Say Lael Collns he can play both OG or OT and I think that versatility makes him even more valuable.
I think there are times to stay put, trade down and acquire more picks, and then a time to pounce. To me now is the time to pounce. If you look at our roster, we have a lot of young players we’re looking to take the next step. We need special, not more of those.
I agree. The question is can we win now? If you can then there is no reason not to pounce. It would be one thing if you are say the Jaguars trying to move up to no. 1 when realistically whoever they draft they are still not a playoff team. Then you build through the draft.
Stanger, t’s not about one player putting us over the top as if it’s up to him. It’s about adding a player that helps make the team better.
Isn’t that what every draft pick is for? 😉
Just saw another mock draft (Football Savages) that has Miami taking Trae Waynes.
While Trae Waynes is a player a few other people are mocking to Miami, here is why I don’t think it will happen.
Last year Mike Tannenbaum discussed on NFL network the importance of scheme fit. He brought up Darrelle Revis for example and said Rex Ryan’s man press scheme demanded a man to man cover guy. Mike went on to say that Rex came into his office and goes “I need the best man cover guy you can find” (something to that effect) and that Revis was eventually that guy. Mike then said that if man press wasn’t the scheme, the Jets wouldn’t have taken Revis under that criteria (would have taken a different corner).
Now that Mike is in Miami, and that Trae is seen as a man press guy instead of zone, I wonder how Coyle’s scheme will play into the draft selection process. I have to think Mike won’t peg Trae as best fit for Miami at CB. Personally, I see Peters as best fit but character questions is something the FO might not like (I don’t really see it as a problem). Mike himself with the Jets took on so called ‘bad character’ guys so its not something he might be concerned about.
I still think Miami goes CB if one of the top 3 WR are not on the board. I think they may not feel an OL at 14 is warranted over a position such as CB or LB even if the team is needing another OG. There are many teams out there that just don’t believe in needing to draft an OG that high.
Al,
The only problem with Tannenbaum saying that he got the CB Rex wanted is Revis was there under Mangini.
Did he mean Mangini?
Miami has had mostly DB’s & WR’s in for pre-draft visits. It’s a good bet those 2 positions see a selection by the Phins in 2015.
Red herring at times. They don’t need to work out a guy to know what they are getting in him. Scouts been scouting them for years. Seems like a dog and pony show at that point in the draft process.
Who in this draft is worth 2 1st round picks?
I think that could be anyone who can be the difference between being a playoff team this year or not. To me there are a 2 WRs that are head and shoulders above all others in Cooper and White. I also think there are 2 OL that are head and shoulders better than all others in Scherff and Collins. I am not necessarily saying they are worth 2 1st round picks but those are the guys I see making the biggest impact for us this year and I would not criticize the FO if they traded up for one of those guys.
To me the best player in the draft is Leonard Williams but I don’t see any way in which we trade up for him. However, I can easily see a team giving up 2 no. 1s for him.
According to Son: Amari Cooper. That’s how we got on the whole subject.
no one
Dbolt/Tim,
Oops! Mangina yes!
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 2m2 minutes ago
WR Jaelen Strong did not attend the medical recheck in Indy due to a schedule conflict. Updated medical information has been sent to teams.
Where the hell did he have to be? This is the combine, essentially the most important job interview he will ever have.
GD, not all draft picks are game ready as rookies. If we feel a certain prospect can come right in and change the dynamic of our team, that has more value then a guy we think has upside but it may take a year or two. That’s the difference in trading up or not.
GDP,
The Chiefs fans gave up Perriman lol
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/4/17/8440103/2015-nfl-mock-draft-miami-dolphins-select
I need to stop reading “A Sonny Football Fantasy” I just get really worked up and pissed off every time! LOL
CAM FUCKING NEWTON? SPEND TWO 1sts on a WR? DON’T SPRAY AFTER TAKING A SHIT!? WTF? LOL
Al in MIA says:
April 17, 2015 at 11:34 am
Red herring at times. They don’t need to work out a guy to know what they are getting in him. Scouts been scouting them for years. Seems like a dog and pony show at that point in the draft process.
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Right, but at this point the pre-draft visits are also more about personal interviews, character, mano a mano look in the eyes, smarts, seeing if a prospect can understand the scheme you see fit for him, etc.
What’s funny about today’s discussion is how passionate people get about something they will have no say in. LOL
You included 😉
I’m not saying we have to do this or that or I’ll flip out like some you. I’m just not opposed to trading up. If we stay put or trade down that’s okay too. 😉
It’s one thing to like prospects and discuss possibilities but to put your foot down against what we could do is funny to me.
Lol Son!
If there is a run early on Wideouts then the idea of trading way up to get Cooper or White makes sense, you will have beaten the crowd to the checkout.
So is the run going to be guys like Agholor at 2,3, and 4 then we can trade up to 5 to get Cooper or White 😉
Perriman is of high character, from NFL bloodlines and has an NFL ready body right now. He is very aggressive for the ball. These are traits that has to have Philbin & Hickey drooling.
I think it’s a good pick even @ #14. Remember how we were accused of reaching last year for James & Landry, yet they did well.
I agree.
“I need to stop reading “A Sonny Football Fantasy” I just get really worked up and pissed off every time! LOL”
Rock — Son gets us talking…..seems that’s the whole point. You ever watch Private Parts?
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Researcher: The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes a day. The average Howard Stern fan listens for – are you ready for this? – an hour and twenty minutes.
Pig Vomit: How could this be?
Researcher: Answer most commonly given: “I want to see what he’ll say next.”
Pig Vomit: All right, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?
Researcher: Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.
Pig Vomit: But… if they hate him, why do they listen?
Researcher: Most common answer: “I want to see what he’ll say next.”
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The average Joe talks about a 40 time like they really know what it means. Many on here use the 3-cone and other drills to break it down, but what I’d like to see is top speed from a radar gun, and combine drills where a 40 is run in pads, then with a football, then with a football and someone chasing you, then standing still catching a ball (after the catch run a 40) while someone is running towards you, then you chasing someone. These are the real football equivalent times that are important.
Great point. Would love to know what this WR or that is running on the fly pattern. But even if they don’t have the radar gun……guess that is why watching the tape comes in.
We’ve talked about this many times. I’d like to see guys run in pads from the stance they would use in a game.
Tim, if we trade up so be it, I hope it works out this time, I mean the 3rd time is the charm right? (DT3, DJ95) lol
I just prefer that we don’t, when we still have many needs, are young, and in a deep WR class in 2015.
As much as I want a big WR as you all know, I think I could stomach a trade up for a stud OL better than WR which I think can be found @ #14 & higher.
I don’t use the past as an example of completely different circumstances and prospects this year. They have nothing to do with each other.
You could go back and say would you rather have Earl Thomas or Odrick and Misi from a trade down. What’s done is done. Each move is it’s own and not comparable.
Yup, I just don’t wanna keep saying we shoulda, with poor drafting.
If we have stand out run blocking & pass blocking, then Tanny can work, the receivers will make plays. We will win games…YEA! 😀
Ken says:
April 17, 2015 at 11:44 am
Where the hell did he have to be? This is the combine, essentially the most important job interview he will ever have.
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Ken,
They have injured prospects go back to Indy for a league medical re-check.
The bottom line in all of this draft talk is we want the team to do well and win. We shouldn’t really care how we get there.
Tim
I’m not afraid of trade ups. I just think next year when we’re cap strapped (WE WILL BE!), that’s not the time not to have your 1st RD pick. We’ll always need to keep adding talent, and I’m sure another hole will open up somewhere on the roster, and not having a 1st next year will hurt us.
I’m not sure the cap will be in such bad shape next year.
“So it turned out well. Of course, after that, after he signed [a $40 million contract extension], things kind of went awry.”
— former Pats exec Floyd Reese on how the team knew Hernandez had character concerns when they drafted him.
“things kind of went awry” I’ll nominate for the understatement of the day.
Tim Knight says:
April 17, 2015 at 12:17 pm
The bottom line in all of this draft talk is we want the team to do well and win. We shouldn’t really care how we get there.
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Agreed.
Why I want to stay @ #14 or trade down is we need more talent. Didn’t we lose/get rid of 3 starting WR’s, 2 starting LB’s, 2 starting DL,1 starting CB & 1 starting TE?
Let’s draft wisely and build this team for now & for the long haul. Suh just turned 28 in Jan, Tanny is 26, Stills is young, Landry, James, Pouncey, Cameron, etc.
This reminds me of needing to get younger @ outside corner…Grimes is getting up there, we don’t know what we have in Taylor yet…ugh.
“Didn’t we lose/get rid of 3 starting WR’s, 2 starting LB’s, 2 starting DL,1 starting CB & 1 starting TE?”
We replaced Wallace with Stills, Landry is our other starter, we need some WR help. We played without Ellerbe all year and Wheeler was a liability. Suh and Mitchell starting is an upgrade. Not as concerned about corner as others. Cameron was an equal replacement for Clay.
Tim
I can’t see how it can be anything but tight. Suh – $28M, Tannehill (if not signed) $16M, Grimes about $9.5, Albert over $10M, Wake $10M, Cameron $9.5M, Jones $8.25M. There’s more, but that, in and of itself is a lot of cap money.
We’ll see. I don’t expect us to have a lot of cap room, just that we won’t be in cap hell.
We will be in cap hell from what I have read.
You forgot Pouncey’s new contract. But you also have to figure that you wont have to pay 4-5 million for a 1st round pick next year if you trade up. So there is economic sense to it.
I don’t follow the draft like some (most) of you, so I defer to you mostly. I am sticking with my pick of Parker @14. I think the FO did their draft projections and felt Parker would still be there @ 14, which is why they brought him in. Could there be a surprise- someone who is still there that was projected to be gone? Sure, and if the believe that person is better than Parker, then they will have to consider him. A scenario or 2 what I could see them not taking Parker @ 14 is because he is no longer available, or because they have traded out of that spot (because he is no longer there/value not to their looking at that spot). I just recently heard him compared favorably to AJ Green, and I think most here would be happy with that.
Value not to their liking^
From what I can see, I like Perriman over Parker…IMHO
Really? I have not heard you say that (a million times) 🙂
You are allowed to feel that way. I still prefer Parker.
I think Perriman is being way overrated because of his great 40 time. I think he is this year’s version of Darrius Heyward Bey.
I would love Parker at 14 but no guaranty he is there. I have seen a number of mocks with him going to Cleveland at 12.
Ken
That is why I asked!
Leonard
Winston
Moriota
Hell I’ll even put Shelton in there
Not one WR or OL!
Of course JMHO 🙂
But it is all relative to what a team feels the individual player will bring. To me Winston or Mariotta is not worth 2 no. 1s but Philly may feel differently because Mariotta fits what they want to do. So I don’t think you can say any particular player is not worth 2 no. 1s. If we think Cooper and or White are elite talents and no one else is at their level then maybe they are worth 2 no. 1s in our estimation. It’s what they bring to the individual teams that matter. Leonard Williams may be the best player in the draft. No way would we give up a pick to get him. It’s all relative.
We also have to remember we have a lot of dead cap money this year that will be gone next year and we don’t know what the plan is long-term yet with some players. We’ll see when get there.
I don’t think anyone in this draft is worth two #1 picks.
On the cap situation, you can only work magic for so long, and then it runs out. Next year it runs out. If we have a big hole to fill, we’ll be doing it without a 1st RD pick, or any money to spend in FA. (If we trade our 1st RD pick next year)
I’m not sure that will be the case. The salary cap is projected to be over $150M next year which will be an increase of $17M.
To my understanding we already have 135 million already committed next year for just 37 players.
“The death of a man sharing a prison cell with former NFL running back Lawrence Phillips was ruled a homicide by strangulation.” Also Phillips “was convicted of twice choking his girlfriend in 2005.”
So guess off the field Phillips finally found his “go to” move.
He would have made a superb chicken farmer in the early 1900’s.
LOL — he’s sorta like Hernandez without the stats.
Ken, how do we know who the 37 players are next year?
I was wondering when that would get here:
http://news.yahoo.com/coast-guard-cutter-arrives-us-14-tons-cocaine-012305459.html
Shula’s shipment has arrived. 😉
So much talk about Gurley & the Phins lately. I’m kinda hoping it’s a smoke screen to entice teams to trade with us @ #14.
I really love his potential, but feel it’s a bit of a waste when we have Lamar Miller ascending.
Gurley and Miller would be an exceptional duo and in today’s game it’s important to have 2 quality RBs.
Do you spend a 1st round pick on a RB and then re-sign Miller next year in our offense?
Ok, sure it is. But not 2 star lead backs. We may have a good backup in my boy Damien Williams, Gillislee could finally emerge in his 3rd year like Miller did, that and I think the draft is also deep @ RB, so we can find a good one if wanted in the 4th round and beyond.
HERDFAN: I think I have explanation to your seeing your ex-boyfriend that you just found out had died from our unexplained things blog night.
This is just theory but when one dies, people feel sorry and if one is particularly close to that person, animal or thing one wishes they could have one last moment with them. This is part of the grieving process. These people have images stored in the brain and they recall them. Well the brain recalls them and you could visualize them but somewhere the visualization got confused in your brain. A good example is when people do LSD (wall melting) they can see things that look real but are illusions of where the brain got confused. I would be concerned if your ex was wearing glasses when he never did or if he was wearing modern clothes and he wasn’t a stylish dresser.
OK —we solved all (MikeE,Tim and Herdfan) I’m ready for our next Unexplained events blog night.
She didn’t know he had died when she kept thinking of him.
damn u ruined my theory. Now I have to start all over
jestssuck, Oh boy…can we just go back to Shula’s drug habit? lol jk/bb 😉
gigi isn’t going to like that. she just can’t
LOL
LOL @ GDP (Shula)
jetssuck You the man! We’ll call you the “problem solver” from now on
Except I blew up his theory. LOL
That was mean Tim. lol
Free agent Greg Jennings left his Saints visit without a contract.
It’ll be his last visit, according to the New Orleans Advocate’s Nick Underhill. In addition to the Saints, the Ravens, Panthers, and Jaguars remain interested in Jennings. He also visited the Dolphins after his release from the Vikings. Jennings isn’t going to get more than about $3 million on a one-year contract.
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Looks like he could finally be ours due to the Philbin connection, our up n coming team, etc. But the Ravens could be attractive too.
Rockphin says:
April 17, 2015 at 11:45 am
I need to stop reading “A Sonny Football Fantasy” I just get really worked up and pissed off every time! LOL
hold on…………………we are suppose to read the article too. fuck, this whole time i just came here for the comments
There are some very pissed of drug cartels right now. I’m sure a few traffickers were killed because of the loss of money as well.
maybe that is why everyone is selling off today.I bought fnrg at 4.70 and I didn’t get chance to set pre established losses. Well it’s down to 3.72 right now. Dream team public relations scandel announced yesterday eve.
Rob – You don’t read the comments either. Who ya kidding?
He relishes the butt rodents & anal aliens with great anticipation weekly.
He puts relish on them before he eats them. LOL
Ken says:
April 17, 2015 at 12:58 pm
I think Perriman is being way overrated because of his great 40 time. I think he is this year’s version of Darrius Heyward Bey.
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Disagree 100% with that comparison. He was being talked about late first prior to his 40. I mentioned plenty of times he’s probably the most physically gifted WR in this draft. He’s a physical WR who runs through tackles and accelerates faster than ANYONE out of his breaks. His a really good prospect who needs refinement, but he’s not a similar climber as DHB.
I’ve said that several times, that I was high on Perriman before his 40 times, due to how much more physical he is than Parker, Cooper, Etc, and not just after the catch, but also very aggressive in fighting for position and the ball. He’s QB friendly.
And the drops argument is so overblown. Out of 61/62 catchable balls he came down w/ 54 of them. But the narrative is he drops everything.
Typical late night for FFR 😉
Mike E. says:
April 17, 2015 at 2:05 pm
Rob – You don’t read the comments either. Who ya kidding?
i would respond to this comment and tell you where to fucking go and what to do when you got there but since i dont read the comments i didnt see it.
This is what FFR and some of his co-working buddies do after tax time is over.
“Jennings isn’t going to get more than about $3 million on a one-year contract.”
I’d take him at that for sure. That would both get the mentor WR in and free up our draft options big time.
Tim just LOVES that GIF. lol
Figure it is don’t ask on that one. 🙂
It cracks me up and it’s one of GD’s favorites. LOL
The thought of FFR and his good time buddies doing that in a bar celebrating tax season being over is funny shit.
OK Rob, I guess you read them occasionally.
This is what is bad about our media-her false claims only get small retraction
Dianne Feinstein claim that prisoners were keep awake 1.5 weeks is claimed to be typo error by her staff. The defense intelligence community report stated prisoners were only keep awake 90 hours which amounts to 72 hour=3 days and 18 hours. She claims the mistake of 1.5 weeks is because someone put a 1 in front of 90 hours. Well it doesn’t explain 168 hours equals 1 week and she says they were keep awake 1.5 weeks. She claims prisoners were sprayed with bleach—the report said they were sprayed with water but a couple of bottles may have previously been used with bleach but these bottles were cleaned. She claims prisoners were fed rectally patients that go on hunger strike could be fed through their nose with a tube or rectally. If anyone has had surgery knows having a feeding tube shoved down ones nose is a very unpleasant experience rectally is another choice instead of letting prisoner die from hunger strike.
Feinstein, Hillary, & Pelosi need to take a long walk off a short pier with hungry Hammerheads swimming below.
Can they take Rosie along with them?
Of course, along with Rosanne & Oprah….lol
Dbolt, yeah I hear ya on the drops issue. If you research enough, you’ll see where Cooper & Parker had some significant focus drops too, but it doesn’t get brought up like it does with Perriman.
I don’t care if Perriman drops the ball a couple of times a year more than the others….he will make up for it with far better contested catches & YAC throughout the year than the others…IMO.
Perriman seems Landry & Tannehill tough!
Agreed