The Fringe – Defensive End

The Fringe

Defensive End

 by son of a son of a shula

The Miami Dolphins have seven players battling for a spot on the final roster at the Defensive End position. Sure locks include  starters Cameron Wake and Olivier Vernon while Derrick Shelby who is entering his fourth season and Terrence Fede a 7th round pick last year appear to have the inside track to round out the position. Fede offers versatility as a player who can move inside from time to time. Should the Dolphins carry five DE’s then the battle royale will be between Emmanuel Dieke, Ray Drew and Kendall Montgomery the fringe players.

In order for these fringe players to have a shot at making the team they will first and foremost have to become reliable Special Teams players while showing pass rushing skills and ability to set the edge when they are getting reps with the Defense. It’s entirely possible that two of these 3 players could find themselves as part of the practice squad as we move into the season.

Emmanuel “Too Tall” Dieke  #98

6’6 270 DE Georgia Tech

Dieke was an Undrafted Free Agent for the Giants coming out of Georgia Tech last year so he will be entering his second NFL training camp this year. Several years ago there was another DE the Giants picked up as an undrafted free agent, you may recall, and released him. Will Emmanuel Dieke have to go the way of the CFL the way Cameron Wake did? With Wake and Vernon entrenched as starters Dieke faces a similar situation in Miami as he did in camp last year with the New York Giants. The Giants had Mathias Kiwanuka, Damontre Moore, Jason Pierre-Paul, Robert Ayers in place making it very difficult for a UDFA to crack the squad.

SB Nation had this brief breakdown of Dieke last June:  Pegged as a player with great size, quickness, change of direction and work ethic, Dieke was signed as an undrafted rookie free agent out of Georgia Tech. Last year, Dieke recorded 28 tackles, two sacks, two tackles for a loss and one forced fumble in 13 games. In his four-year career, the 6-foot-6, 270-pound defensive end recorded five sacks.

Ray Drew  #47

6’5 276  DE Georgia

Here is the guy to keep your eye on, Drew played at a very high level in the SEC but for a variety of reasons never was able to set himself apart and distinguish himself as a top level draftee. When Drew joined Georgia he was projected as an outside linebacker but grew too much to stay at the position. Drew then began playing Defensive End where he showed flashes of what he could become. He actually looks like a similar player to Fede.

To explain the rest I’ll insert from CBS Sports:

“Drew was considered one of the crown jewels in Georgia’s highly touted “Dream Team” recruiting class in 2011, but prior to the 2013 season had been considered a bit of a bust.

Expected to play outside linebacker, Drew kept growing and finally earned time at defensive end in ’13, starting seven of 13 games and posting 43 tackles, eight tackles for loss and six sacks. Left on the defensive line as a senior, Drew quietly emerged as one of the SEC’s better and more versatile defenders in 2014 — though his statistics (39 tackles, 1.5 tackles for loss, one sack) hardly prove it.

Drew’s relatively pedestrian statistics can be explained by the block-eating role he was to play at Georgia. Keeping blockers off of Georgia’s playmaking linebackers forced Drew to get stronger but robbed him of the production that could earn him a higher draft selection. Savvy scouts will notice Drew’s size, upside and passionate play, as well as the three blocked kicks he recorded in 2014.

If drafted into a 4-3 alignment that allows him to attack, Drew could prove a better (or at least more productive) player in the NFL than he ever was at Georgia.”

A couple of things stand out from there for me: the first is “savvy scouts”, even though we’ve only seen one year of on field production from Hickey’s picks I think savvy is easily a word we could use to describe him thus far. Second thing is “drafted into a 4-3 alignment” well undrafted in this case but certainly this puts Drew in a position to showcase his talents and gives him the best chance to succeed.

Kendall Montgomery  #67

6’5  262 DE Bowling Green

Although Kendall is wearing what is normally an offensive lineman’s number (67), make no mistake, this kid is here to work and make an impression at the DE position.


Scott Porter: What do you like most about football?

Kendall Montgomery: I like the physicality and putting my hands on people and letting my aggression out on the field.

Scott Porter: What type of person is an NFL team getting in you?

Kendall Montgomery: They are getting an ambitious person. I want to be the best at what I do. They are getting a person who will work hard to be the best player he can be and display great character.

Scott Porter: What separates you from other players?

Kendall Montgomery: My athletic ability combined with my versatility. I could play DE, LB or TE. I can cover, rush and tackle.

Good answers!

There is also this for this fringe player as he tries to forge a career in the NFL.


Bio: Infrequent starter the past three seasons. Posted a career-best 21 tackles, 4 tackles for loss and 3 sacks as a junior.

Positive: Imposing line prospect who’s shown marginal development. Displays good movement skills, easily changes direction and gets a lot of pressure up the field.

Negative: Lacks great first step quickness. Ineffective using his hands to protect himself and slow disengaging from blocks.

Analysis: On paper Montgomery possesses the size and speed desired for a starting defensive end but his results fall far short. He’s a developmental prospect who must quickly pick up the pace of his game for any chance of a career at the next level.

The thing to note about all three of these players is the similar size. All of them are much bigger than what we had seen being brought in from Ireland. When you add Fede to the mix you have four players who are big at the DE spot all possess a good amount of quickness and possibly some of the same position flexibility we saw from Fede when he was playing.

I wish the best of luck to these fringe players as they attempt to become Miami Dolphins.


June 6 1944 – Remember the greatest generation as the allied invasion at Normandy began 71 years ago – D Day

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469 Responses to The Fringe – Defensive End

  1. stangerx says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    Okay folks
    It looks like the Houston game has won the poll
    Let’s try to get a head count of who plans to attend

    Who is in
    Stanger (+1)
    OD (better half TBA)
    Son (in for 2, Maybe more)
    Rock (+1 search on)
    Al ( in, maybe +1)
    Toba (+3, including the dreaded Pats fan)
    Mike E (maybe with +1, +2 or +3)
    FFR (maybe)
    Ken (maybe)
    Bookman (maybe and maybe +1)
    Brian in NY (maybe)
    Herd (probable) Krishna (probable, with +1)

    Repost and add you name if you plan on going to texans at dolphins.
    Fest is on!

  2. getterdone says:
  3. steveccnv says:

    OG Dan Connolly from the cheats, he’s nothing special, and guys that move on after playing there usually don’t fare to well.

  4. manitobafinfan says:

    Jetssuck: we have at least a 10 day snap every year of (have to convert) -22, straight temp, it dips into -40 a few nights a year, and even at -22 with the wind howling we are looking at Winchill factor (winters version of a Humidex reading) of -35 – 40 .. Year before last overnight temp was -40, and a light wind made o/n Windchill -50

  5. getterdone says:

    Greg Jennings ✔ @GregJennings
    Congrats, @SerenaWilliams, on winning your third #FrenchOpen and 20th major tournament title! #GOAT

  6. steveccnv says:

    I was watching some 2104 video and Hartline was catching passes, it seemed like so yesterday.

  7. jetsssuck says:

    You can rent houses from this website.I’m sure their are others and of course with different prices. I don’t know how it works but their is plenty of time to investigate.

  8. manitobafinfan says:

    Stangerx says:
    June 6, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    Just set up where you want to be within the stadium area. And jeez you guys were great on the beverages last year. Hope you can rope the doggie in too…..haven’t heard from him on the game.

    I cannot take all the credit on the beers, but i am hoping you bring the Tub we left for chilling them.. it worked well but was heavier than all Hell.. I am hoping doggie can make it as well, they were a Blast to hang with.. he has a 50th this year that they are going away for , so it is iffy at best.. Was hoping to catch him at CaliFest, but is Dec 20th.. little too close to Xmas…

    • stangerx says:

      Re-use of the tub wasn’t part of the deal….lol. It’s in Warren’s clutches now, and he’s going to have enough to worry about that weekend . I’ll save you both some money and some arm wear……just buy a Styrofoam cooler (available cheap all over this are for you tourists) and fill it with what you want to drink that day. No need for more than that……you know how much Warren brought home. Even If it as an outside chance…..would be great to have the dog there though.

      • manitobafinfan says:

        It would be Great ta have them again yes, i’ll try ta twist his arm a bit.. I will just pre cool the beers overnight, and not bother with trying to transport them in ice to the game..

      • stangerx says:

        LOL — think the cheap and smaller handled cooler with ice in will do just fine. But if you want to bring pre-chilled stuff…..there will be cooler space. If not right when you walk up……guaranteed an hour later. 🙂

  9. manitobafinfan says:

    I Wanna rent Dexters Apartment.. How Cool would that be !!!!!

    • manitobafinfan says:

      That looks quite interesting, . if i can convince the women, it could 1/2 the price of this trip… Thank you much , hope to see you there…

  10. manitobafinfan says:

    looks to be a very exciting year, and Fest .. Looking greatly forward to Both.. But i must bid all Adieu for now as i apprently get to cook supper tonight.. Later Gaters… and Canes 🙂

  11. Tim Knight says:

    The 5-2 run defense may look like this.
    LDE Shelby
    LDT Suh
    RDT Phillips
    RDE Fede
    OLB (Jack) McCain
    ILB Misi
    ILB Jenkins

    The 5-2 pass defense may look like this.
    LDE Wake
    LDT Suh
    RDT Mitchell
    RDE Fede
    OLB (Jack) Vernon (stunting)
    ILB Misi
    ILB Jenkins

  12. steveccnv says:

    Cubs win, Cubs win…American Pharoah too!

  13. getterdone says:

    In a radio interview, ESPN insider Adam Caplan said he expects Eagles LG Evan Mathis to be moved before the start of the season.
    “I’ve been asked repeatedly about his future,” Caplan said, “and I would say I would be pessimistic, clearly, for him to be on the (Eagles) this fall.” The Eagles gave Mathis permission to search out a trade partner last offseason, but to this point he has yet to find any takers. It seems unlikely the 33-year-old guard suddenly finds a team willing to both trade for him and pony up the extra money he is seeking, but a guard-needy team like the Dolphins could be willing to take a shot. Mathis is owed $11.5 million over the final two years of his deal.
    He’s got to agree to lower that contract or everyone will wait till Eagles have no other choice but to cut him.

    • Tim Knight says:

      LT Albert
      LG Douglas
      C Pouncey
      RG Turner
      RT James
      OL Thomas (G/T)
      OL Walton (C/G)
      OL Linkenbach (G/T)

    • getterdone says:

      I think Turner will be solid @ RG, but the LG spot looks like a work in progress all season unless Douglas comes out of the gates strong, or Dallas Thomas finally catches fire.
      Maybe some else surprises like Audrey Walker, Donald Hawkins, or Dionte Savage.

    • steveccnv says:

      He wants more than the $11.5 mil., no way are we paying him that, the $8 mil we’re under the cap needs to be used for Suh next yr.

  14. The Flying Pig says:

  15. getterdone says:

    According to the agent for DeVante Parker, “it’s hopeful” that Parker will be back for Week 1 following Friday’s foot surgery.
    After suffering a foot fracture in 2014, Parker reportedly began experiencing further soreness in his foot while running routes during Thursday’s OTA practice. Doctors examined the foot, and determined Parker needed a new screw. According to FOX Sports’ Alex Marvez, Parker “should be able to return at some point during training camp, but the exact date is still up in the air.”
    Returns at some point in training camp….then will be ready week 1 when the games count….kool.

    • steveccnv says:

      We’ll be ok, if he doesn’t play week 1, the question is will he be productive when he gets back on the field after missing camp or will he like our 2013 draft class? Last yr he came back like an animal after surgery.

  16. steveccnv says:

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly · 23h23 hours ago
    The list of young players who don’t get better from season to season under Joe Philbin & staff is very short. He can coach. But can he lead?

    Counting Parker 13 of our 22 projected starters were drafted by us. So is it Philbin/coaching staff coaching, Hickey/Ireland picking, or a combination of the two?

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly · 23h23 hours ago
    Joe Philbin arguably has one of the NFL’s best O-line, TE, LBer & STeams coaches. He had one of best D-line coaches. Phins staff is strong

    I thought the coaching staff coached, and the head coach led, if that actually is true, what does Philbin do, if he doesn’t lead and doesn’t coach?

    • steveccnv says:

      I guess we’ll see this yr, if he can lead, since it’s basically all his guys, with no apparent bad eggs.

      • Mike E. says:

        Fair or not fair, he’s going to have to find a way to get this team to play it’s best football at the end of the season, and hopefully, that means soaring into the playoffs and beyond.

    • jetsssuck says:

      I expect at the minimum to make the playoffs.Do3es this team have the ability to make a 2 game improvement over the previous 2-3 years records which NFL experts from Las Vegas say is hard to do but possible..

  17. jetsssuck says:

    MikeE you playing and pitching today? U get to watch any of the women’s softball world series? Hope u do well considering the baseball draft is this Friday coming up and they say this is the weakest draft for pitchers in the last decade. I heard they may have to reach for pitchers from the woman’s softball leagues. You have to stay on your toes those scouts may be looking for a softball pitching man first….

  18. olddolphan says:

    SOMEONE on this board suggested that if Philbin is fired after yet another December collapse Miami will have to bring in a cast of new players, new strategies and an entirely new makeover which will lead to several more losing seasons. PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THIS ARE POOR HISTORIANS!!!
    In 1970 Don Shula replaced the ineffective George Wilson, Sr., as head coach –Wilson had led Miami to a 3-11-1 record in 1969 with what was thought to be a pretty good roster of players (including Griese, Csonka, Kiick and Buoniconti). Shula’s first move was to trade his #1 draft pick to Cleveland for Paul Warfield. He then took essentially the same team that Wilson had coached and led them into the PLAYOFFS where he narrowly lost to the Oakland Raiders in Oakland. –Then came Shula’s run of THREE CONSECUTIVE SUPER BOWLS!!
    The point of this is to suggest that SOMETIMES, a shitty coach can keep an otherwise good/great team from making the playoffs. IN MY OPINION, Joe Philbin has yet to prove that he is a playoff quality coach, especially in the month of December. I would go as far as to repeat a famous comment by another coach who said,”You ARE what your won-lost record says you are.” –In the case of Joe Philbin, his record suggests to me that he’s are far better assistant coach than he is a head coach. Philbin is hardly the FIRST Dolphin head coach to be in this category. TONY SPARANO was/is a better assistant coach than head coach. And CAM CAMERON was/is a far better assistant coach than head coach!! –And NO ONE would argue that against the fact that MIAMI is better off for showing the door to both Sparano and Cameron. –The sad truth is this: given superior talent on offense to work with, PHILBIN developed into a really effective offensive coordinator at Green Bay. But he’s proven NOT to be “a leader of men” when it comes to crunch time, either in games or in crunch time during a season (December). Except for the O-Line, I believe Miami RIGHT NOW IS A PLAYOFF CALIBER TEAM!! – – And many on this board believe that a patchwork O-Line can be developed to get us to the playoffs (although I say “show me.”)–However, this franchise WILL NEVER ADVANCE TO THE SUPER BOWL WITH JOE PHILBIN AS HEAD COACH. –And they have yet to have even ONE winning season under his leadership. –So I will go on record AGAIN as saying “If you want mediocrity, JOE is your man. But if you want to WIN A SUPER BOWL, JOE MOST DEFINITELY IS NOT YOUR MAN. – – And when Miami fails, again, for the 15th consecutive season, to win a playoff game, I will tell you these words:”I TOLD YOU SO!”

  19. Tim Knight says:

    It’s no secret a coach can’t stay middle of the pack forever and still keep his job. At some point you have to become a playoff team and compete for a championship. Another late season collapse cannot happen.

    • steveccnv says:

      In horse racing they generally start a horse out slow (I’m not talking about Kentucky Derby horses), then move him up the pack and maybe try to get a show out of it, then when all signs are go they’ll go for the win.

      That’s what I see happening with our team this yr. We’ve played around with Ireland’s non-system players, that didn’t work, so we brought in system players, now it’s time to make a true all in run at the playoffs. As much as can be hoped for in this age of the salary cap, we have quality starters at key positions.

      To say the offense/defense/Philbin/Coyle/Tannehill shit the bed last yr to end the season isn’t accurate, injuries decimated the team. Sure you could say, but Coyle this and Philbin that and it’s probably true.

      Do we really know that much about Philbin? We’ll sure find out this yr, with the roster that’s been put together.

      Changing coaches, if a certain goal isn’t met is fine, as long as you replace him with a similar schemed coach, keeping the ZBS and the 4-3, kind of like what was done in SF with Harbaugh, when he came in. Lazor would be my choice.

      Up until this point I don’t like Philbin, but that could change this yr. Even Barry Switzer can win an SB.

  20. olddolphan says:

    YESTERDAY WAS a true feast for the sports fan!! – – American Pharaoh’s win in the Belmont truly was an unforgettable achievement in racing history. Were some of those New York fans screaming because Pharaoh was wearing Jets’ quality green slime colors?? Probably not! –Tampa Bay’s ultra-exciting win over the Black Hawks had something for everybody! –The NHL’s Stanley Cup Finals are now tied at a game apiece, and probably headed for a full 7-game series! Finally, the college basebal playoffs featured a classic “David and Goliath” contest as LSU and Louisiana/Lafayette were tied 3-3 going into the bottom of the ninth. The game winning home run was right out of a Hollywood script. __Except, this was FOR REAL!! What a day (and night) for the sports fan!

    • olddolphan says:

      OUT to mow the lawn.

    • steveccnv says:

      I like both NHL teams, but I’m pulling for Tampa, although I’ve had a Blackhawks jersey when I was a kid and a hat now. I think Tampa got a couple of questionable calls in the 3rd yesterday with those back to back penalties, could’ve been a make up call though from Chicago’s questionable 3rd goal, so I’ll call it even. I expect a 7 game series, unless Tampa has a letdown.

  21. Tim Knight says:

    OD, you don’t have to go back that far to see how rosters change with new regimes. Just go back and look at how many players are still on the roster from the 2011 team when Philbin took over in 2012. Remember we’re in an age of FA that didn’t exist in 1970. The number of players left from the 2011 team is 7.

    The roster has changed quite a bit since Philbin has been here and if he fails and is fired, the same thing will happen when a new HC comes in and wants to bring in his kind of players, though I’m sure some of the younger guys will remain for awhile.

    I’m not saying this as a reason not to fire Philbin if he doesn’t have a successful season this year because I think 4 years is enough for any coach to start winning with his program. I’m just pointing out that there is significant change when a new regime comes in, especially in years 2 and 3 after he’s a had a chance to learn his team and then look for what he wants.

    • jetsssuck says:

      it’s amazing how the league has changed in 40 years. Csonka weighted 237 lb and weighted as much as some OL back then. Bounacouti weighted 220 and now a days he would be amoung the lightest players in the league. 265-275 was the average for OL back then now a days these guys would get thrown to the ground with today’s D players. Shula didn’t have a CBA agreement to deal with that limits coaching staffs to how much they can practice and if they can practice in pads. Shula was good in his era but he couldn’t handle the new nfl and FA.

  22. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, I’m not looking to push Philbin out the door, I like him. But 4 years and no winning seasons usually gets you fired.

    It doesn’t matter why we collapsed the last 2 seasons, just that we did and you can’t keep doing that. To be a good playoff team you need to be playing your best football late in the year, not struggling. We’ve got to get that turned around and I’m glad it’s been an emphasis within our organization since the end of last year. They’re trying to figure out a way to keep players healthier and fresh down the stretch with every resource they have including sports science. Let’s hope they figure it out.

    • steveccnv says:

      I know you’re not, but we’re in the minority on the subject. I like how Philbin made adjustments in the 2nd half of games last yr, I like how he’s overseeing the teaching process, but I hate his idea of clock management, and I hate his coaching scared at the end of games

      Also in his favor is he isn’t stuck in his ways, he keeps trying new things. I’m more stuck in the middle on if he stays or goes. If he goes I want a replacement that’s in house, If he stays he needs to figure out how to fix some things including what I mentioned above that I didn’t like.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I think his coaching scared at the end of games was due to a lack of confidence in how the team was playing. Sometimes rather than open up the flood gates you try to survive. You don’t want it to be like that, but it happens.

  23. steveccnv says:

    Darnell Dockett, says the 49ers will still win this yr.

    Adding Davis, the Niners have now lost 12 players who started at least six games last season — Borland, Willis and Smith, plus running back Frank Gore (Indianapolis Colts), left guard Mike Iupati (Arizona Cardinals), linebacker Dan Skuta (Jacksonville Jaguars), cornerbacks Chris Culliver (Washington) and Perrish Cox (Tennessee Titans), receiver Michael Crabtree (Oakland Raiders), defensive lineman Ray McDonald (cut) and offensive lineman Jonathan Martin (waived/Carolina Panthers).

    The team also traded punter Andy Lee, sending him to the Cleveland Browns on Saturday for a seventh-round pick in 2017.

    New head coach Jim Tomsula will be charged with guiding the new-look 49ers, whose additions include former Baltimore Ravens wide receiver Torrey Smith, ex-Detroit Lions running back Reggie Bush and Dockett, a defensive end who joined San Francisco after a 11-year run with the Cardinals.

    Wishful thinking, but it’s not going to happen. We had a similar turnover, but the difference is we got rid of the guys not performing up to their contracts, guys that didn’t fit the system, and bad apples, and replaced them with chemistry/scheme fit/quality. they lost quality players and really didn’t get much help back.

  24. steveccnv says:

    I really hope we win an SB soon, I’m getting a little tired of the living in the past sort of thing. I don’t want to deal with what the Cubs/Red Sox fans had to go through. When I was growing up all I heard was how great the Browns were when my dad was a kid. I guess I didn’t hate on the Browns, because we won when I was a kid, but if the Fins didn’t…

  25. Krishna says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    Okay folks
    It looks like the Houston game has won the poll
    Let’s try to get a head count of who plans to attend

    Who is in
    Stanger (+1)
    OD (better half TBA)
    Son (in for 2, Maybe more)
    Rock (+1 search on)
    Al ( in, maybe +1)
    Toba (+3, including the dreaded Pats fan)
    Mike E (maybe with +1, +2 or +3)
    FFR (maybe)
    Ken (maybe)
    Bookman (maybe and maybe +1)
    Brian in NY (maybe)
    Herd (probable) Krishna (probable, with +1)

    Repost and add you name if you plan on going to texans at dolphins.

    I need to back out as I was informed I must attend a birthday party for my grandson that weekend who will be 2. So sorry. I should always check my itinerary with the boss first.

    • stangerx says:

      Krishna — sorry you won’t be there, but who can win the battle against both the better half and a 2-year-old grandson?

  26. Krishna says:

    You cannot WIN and be in the playoffs without the TALENT. I don’t even want to begin to assess the talent on this team over the past MANY years. It just hasn’t been good enough yet we all dreamed. I think that’s the reality more than coaching. Coaching can and does need to improve, no doubt. Now with a team that may have talent and depth at several positions to match the schemes, it looks like the talent may be catching up to the coaching. If we can stay healthy, then I do think we have a good recipe to make the playoffs.

  27. stangerx says:

    You guys might root for a good team but mine has Batman. 🙂

    Michael Keaton shut down an Atlanta Braves fan and heckler at the MLB team’s game against the Pittsburgh Pirates at Turner Field in Atlanta on Friday…and he basically didn’t have to say a word.

    The 63-year-old actor, a Pennsylvania native and longtime Pirates fan, had watched the man heckle center fielder Andrew McCutchen and then confronted him. Keaton was photographed looking at the heckler and pointing at the scoreboard. The Pirates beat the Braves, 10-8. Burn!

  28. Mike E. says:


    Very happy to inform that I did play and pitched 2 games today. It was probably the most rewarding win for our team in a long time. We played the best team in the league, an undefeated team, who up to this week had scored 97 runs and allowed 27 in 10 games. The first game we had a poor 1st inning, kicked the ball around and allowed 4 unearned runs. Then we settled down, and had them 5-5, but again in the 7th inning, we made a few errors and they scored 2 runs and won 7-5. The 2nd game I still felt pretty strong, it was about 75 degrees and breezy, so I still felt great. I pitched my ass off, and the team came through in the field behind me, and we beat them 7-2. It felt great to take them down like that. Hopefully we get some momentum from hereon in. I sure hope we do!

    • olddolphan says:

      Nice work, Mike E!! – – It’s obvious you are committed to WINNING!! – – CONGRATULATIONS, my friend!

      • jetsssuck says:

        I heard somewhere that in baseball/softball good pitching and defense can win championships where as great hitting without pitching and good defense will lose more often than not. Congratulations …

  29. olddolphan says:

    DID JETSSUCK SAY “Shula was good in his era but couldn’t handle the new NFL…”???–I submit that, if the rules are the SAME for all coaches and all franchises, then Shula could have won in ANY ERA!!! –His attention to detail, his ability to motivate (unlike Philbin) would have made him a winner in ANY ERA whether the running game dominated or the passing game dominated. – – NOT quite sure what JETSSUCK is trying to prove with his continued harrangues at the best coach in NFL history but I surmise his criticisms have something to do with an ill-advised attempt to support those who have failed to succeed so why not put down those who HAVE ACTUALLY SUCCEEDED?
    Jeff Ireland, Tony Sparano and Joe Philbin have all had their apologists/supporters on this board from time to time Hell, even the only Dolphins’ owner to NOT win a playoff game has people who think he’s the best owner of all time!! Mediocrity and failure have always had supporters. –Today is no different in that regard. But I p[roudly hold onto a higher standard, the standard of winning! –The standard of SUCCESS!! –THOSE WHO WANT OUR FAVORITE TEAM TO HAVE SUCCESS AND WIN SUPER BOWLS should NOT get side tracked by the apologists for failure. –They should, instead, demand that those in charge of our beloved Miami Dolphins franchise either win or get out of the way. I will be happy about failure the day after I start to root for the Jets!! –And THAT day will NEVER COME!!

    • Tim Knight says:

      But I thought Ireland destroyed this team as a GM? So what you’re saying is Philbin should have already won with the failure of acquiring good enough personnel because that’s how a GM is graded, right?

      There’s also a difference between supporting a regime trying to build a good team and being patient with them, and being an apologist. But you seem to get off of on insulting those of us who are supportive fans. Sorry, I don’t enjoy hating on people. I also don’t enjoy mediocrity but I really have no control over it and neither do you. So what do I do, I root for the team every year regardless of situation.

      I guess I’m just a sap because I’m not paying for planes to fly over Dolphins headquarters insulting people within the organization. But I’m silly like that.

    • steveccnv says:

      If you’re a show me kind of guy why do you assume Shula could win in this era? He couldn’t win an SB with the best QB in NFL history, why assume he could win in this era?

      I went to the same school in 1970 as David Shula, and the same church as the family, I’m as big a Shula fan as there is, but I won’t go as far as saying he could win in every era. He found hidden gems in an era where info wasn’t abundant, he pushed his players harder than anyone, before there were rules against it, and was the master of the ’70s, without cheating. Knoll’s players obviously were on steroids proven by the early deaths of many of his players, which weren’t illegal at the time, but…

      • jetsssuck says:

        proven? David was a great coach according to Don Shula. Don Shula hired his son and Shula defended it but everyone else knew it neponism. How did the younger shula’s career end. Don Shula sure knew how to pick em.

  30. Mike E. says:

    Thanks OD. I had a little pep talk with my team, I told them that this team is the best team in the league, they’re undefeated, but if we play like we’re capable of playing, we can beat them. Even though we lost the first game, I could see that my team believed that we could win, and we just played the way we needed to in order to do just that. It was very satisfying, it really was.

  31. Mike E. says:


    How do you feel about the Mets on WOR 770 radio? I hate it, and you know what really just upset me, on the FAN, the Yankees Sweeny Murty is out, and Mr. Met Bob Heussler just did the Yankee report. That BLOWS!!! I effing hated it!

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah I hated when it changed. I don’t listen to the Mets on radio much anymore especially since Bob Murphy passed away. He was my favorite. In the middle of an at bat he’d say (in his classic voice), Snapple beverages, refreshing on a hot summer’s day, 2-1 and here’s the pitch. LOL

  32. stangerx says:

    Great win Mike E — but why the heck are they putting an old F like you (or me) out there to pitch both ends of a double header like he is Walter Johnson?

  33. steveccnv says:

    Damn Mike, you the man! I pitched a little, but nothing like what you’ve been doing. I was more of a ball placement specialist hitting, .700 was about a normal average. One league I playing in, in my ’20s I only got out twice the entire season, it was coed, but still… 😛

  34. Tim Knight says:

    I think Shelby and Fede are key in keeping Wake and Vernon fresh for long down and distance passing situations and during the season. They need to play some significant snaps.

    I also think McCain will serve as an edge rusher at times. Inside behind Suh and Mitchell I see Phillips and A. Johnson respectively. That’s a 9 man rotation on game day with a SOLB also serving as an edge rusher.

    Base 4-3-4 probably 30% of the time, nickel 4-2-5 probably 45% of the time and 4-1-6/3-1-7 25% of the time. You need depth on the DL and DB more so than LBs. That was evident on how we approached the LB position this offseason.

    • steveccnv says:

      Philbin said he wanted Coyle to simplify the D this yr. I expect that to happen, but in a way that isn’t vanilla.

      If healthy I think we’re going to see lots of different things happen on D, instead of blitzing/rushing more than four a lot, like the past few yrs, we’re going to drop guys like OV into coverage and send someone else LB/DB. Same thing with McCain, when he’s lined up at end.

      The past couple of yrs we’ve had issues on 3rd and long, I expect to see different things happening on every 3rd and long, none of which includes a 2 or 3 man rush. By changing it up we’ll keep the QB guessing.

  35. steveccnv says:

    Looks like Brandon Spikes of the Cheats is in a little trouble with the law.

    If this happened on any other team he’d be cut, belicheat won’t.

  36. jetsssuck says:

    OD—-if the rules are the SAME for all coaches and all franchises, then Shula could have won in ANY ERA!!!
    Shula wasn’t good in the FA era. If I recall the Robbies wanted to get Shula a SB with 19 yes I said 19 former 1st rounders in FA. They couldn’t win the division and they backed into the playoffs with help from other teams and then they failed to win a playoff game. I don’t believe they even had a salary cap either that year. Shula couldn’t win in any era after 1973 if we apply your logic of SB wins. Hell he had the best QB considered by many and he couldn’t win by your standards of SB wins. Shula would never survive in today’s NFL with the CBA and the players of today. I’m sure Shula would have handled the M.Wallace situation professionally as Philbin did in the last game.

  37. finfanrob says:

    lol just got home and decided to see what that chat was about and so cool. bashing shula hour. it is so much fun just bashing the only coach to get this team sb wins. i mean what the hell. lets also rip danny boy for throwing to many td passes.

    i admit i dont get it. i am simple minded. shula won two sb’s with the fins. dan was fucking fantastic, what is it that gets one off to complain about things with the greats of the franchise when there are so many more easy targets to bitch about other then the great names of this franchise.

  38. finfanrob says:

    i am sure all the chi bulls fans only bitch that jordan didnt win 12 championships and lost all those years to the pistons.

  39. steveccnv says:

    Wow, I see the NBA found a way to get Clev. back into the series. Don’t the refs get paid per game?

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