By: Randy Campbell (Old Dolfan)
New York Jets @ Miami Dolphins, Oct. 7, 1973
The New York Jets-Miami Dolphins rivalry had a nasty edge to it right from the get-go. This was especially true for those games played in the historic Orange Bowl. Jet fans typically outnumbered Dolphin fans in the pre-Shula days, mostly because of all the ex-New Yorkers who migrated to Florida in the 1950’s, ’60’s and, later, in the 1970’s.
The very first game in this bitter rivalry took place in early September of 1966. It was Miami’s second official game of their existence. New York scored early and often, taking a 19-0 lead into the final quarter. By this time, Jet fans insults had led to dozens of fights and many arrests.
Miami returned a Namath interception for a touchdown early in the fourth quarter. Then QB Rick Norton hit TE Dave Kocourek with a 47-yard touchdown bomb and the Dolphins trailed only 19-14 to the delight of beleagured Miami fans. Eventually, the Jets stopped Miami’s final drive, preserving an unimpressive win over an AFL expansion team. More fights followed during the Jet fans post-game celebration. Miami mayor Robert King High called Jets fans behavior “inexcusable.” The rivalry “was on!”
The misery continued as Namath and the Jets swept the first eight games in this rivalry, most by lopsided scores. But, in 1970, new head coach Don Shula promised things would be different. Indeed, they were. Under Shula, the Dolphins won five of the next six contests, including two classic narrow victories during the 1972 season. The second win against New York in 1972 was, and IS, considered one of the greatest games ever played in the historic Orange Bowl! The Dolphins would go on from this come from behind 28-24 victory to complete the NFL’s one and only Perfect Season!
As the 1973 season dawned, Jet fans obsessed on one thing. –REVENGE against the Dolphins! But that would have to wait. The Jets lost their opening game at Green Bay. Then, the first half of their next game against Baltimore, Namath suffered a serious knee injury. It would cause him to miss about half of the 1972 season.
Trailing 10-3 at halftime, back-up Jets QB Al Woodall took control of the New York offense. Two Woodall touchdown passes plus a FG by Bobby Howfield gave the Jets a 20-10 lead. The Jets’ defense did the rest, returning two Bert Jones interceptions for “pick-six” touchdowns. The Jets had crushed Baltimore 34-10 without Joe Namath for most of the game. Would Al Woodall become the next Earl Morrall? Woodall, a 2nd round pick in the ’69 draft out of Duke, had seen limited action in his first four seasons behind Namath.
Next for New York was a trip to Buffalo to play O.J. Simpson and his powerful Bills’ team. Could Woodall maintain the hot hand and produce another upset? Three John Leypoldt field goals gave Buffalo a 9-0 lead early in the 4th quarter. But Woodall connected on a 34-yard bomb to speedy Jerome Barkum, narrowing Buffalo’s lead to just two points. New York was unable to score again, thus Buffalo escaped with a 9-7 win that was in doubt until the games’ final play.
Even without Namath, Don Shula knew these Jets were a dangerous team. New York’s top two runners, Emerson Boozer and big John Riggins, were among the best duos in the NFL. Wide receiver Eddie Bell was having a solid season. And tight ends Richard Caster and Jerome Barkum had the speed to go deep. Defensively, the Jets had allowed just 36 points total during their first three games.
Shula believed the key to beating the Jets rested on two factors. First, the Dolphins offense had to get off to a fast start. His plan was to open up the passing offenseto offset the Jets strong run defense. Secondly, he believed a strong pass rush against Woodall would pay huge dividends. Woodall lacked Namath’s quick release. And he wasn’t a threat to run the ball. So Miami’s defensive ends were told to pin their ears back. Shula’s plan worked to perfection.
Last week Mercury Morris ran for a Dolphins’ record 197 yards. On the first play of 
this game, Morris bolted for 25 yards in the blink of an eye! Griese followed with a 17-yard completion to Jim Kiick and the Dolphins were already in Jets’ territory. Runs by Morris, Kiick and Csonka moved the ball to the three yard line. Morris scooted the final three yards putting the Dolphins ahead 7-0.
Defensive captain Nick Buoniconti recovered a Jets’ fumble on their next series. 
Morris sprinted around end for 9 yards. Griese hit Marlin Briscoe for 15 yards. Two plays later Bob Griese threw a low pass to Briscoe who laid out to make a sensational diving catch for another touchdown! 14-0, Dolphins, after the first quarter.
Meanwhile, the Dolphins’ pass rush was totally intimidating Al Woodall. Defensive end Bill Sttanfill constantly hounded the Jets quarterback. By games’ end, Stanfill had recorded FIVE sacks and close to a dozen tackles. He was, in a word, unstoppable!
Griese, Briscoe and Paul Warfield continued to shred the Jets’ secondary in the second quarter. A long drive produced a 19-yard FG by Yepremian. Then, just before halftime, Griese tossed a 3-yard TD pass to Warfield, making the score a shocking 24-0 at intermission! The usually noisy and profane Jets fans were stone quiet.
Shula saw no reason to let-up on the passing game in the third quarter. A 
long 40-yard bomb, Griese to Warfield, turned this game into an absolute (and unexpected) blowout. The Dolphins led 31-0 heading into the final quarter.
By this time everyone agreed that Al Woodall was NOT the next Earl Morrall. Woodall was unceremoniously yanked after completing just 4 of 15 passes for 45 yards and two interceptions. Woodall’s back-up, Bill Demory, completed 2 of 5 passes and led the Jets to a field goal in the final moments of this lopsided 31-3 Dolphins’ victory.
And what of the REAL Earl Morrall? He entered the game in the fourth quarter and completed 2 of 4 passes for 46 yards, 1 yard more than Woodall achieved in over three quarters.
On the day, Miami passed for 219 yards and 3 touchdowns, a season’s high at that point. They also ran for 151 yards and another TD against a Jets’ defense that previously had yielded only 12 points per game.
Shula praised his offense, his defense and his special teams’ play. “It was our best effort of the year so far,” said the smiling Don of Miami.
In the Jets’ locker room a somber Weeb Ewbank said “We were totally outclassed today. This Dolphin team may be even better than the ’72 team.”
The 1973 Miami Dolphins were now 3-1. And they had just crushed the hated New York Jets, a thought that was foremost in my mind as I drove back home to West Palm Beach to continue my celebration!
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Nice work yet again OD. I have a feeling that we are going to be AT LEAST 3-1 after four games this season as well…
Nice work OD!
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MY THANKS to Brian and Wyoming (and Piggy from the prior page) for your kind comments on game #4 of FOLLOWING PERFECTION. But my 2 biggest “Thank Yous” go to MISS GIGI for all her help when this series was first run in 2014 and to HERDFAN for doing a lot more work digging up old photos and other things that gloss-up this modest effort. A big percentage of the credit goes to them!!!
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NOTE that passing for 219 yards against the Jets marked a serious change in strategy at this stage of the Dolphins two year run to glory. Shula’s flexibility, his willingness to change strategies depending on the game circumstances, made him both GREAT and UNPREDICTABLE. This trait would come in handy when, during the David Woodley era, Shula took an under talented offense all the way to Super Bowl XVII. That was, in the view of many observers, Shula’s greatest coaching achievement. – – Have a great day, Dolfans everywhere as you bask in the glory of a Jets butt-kicking, 1973 style!!
DOLPHINS BLOW OUT JETS!!! Love it OD! Thanks for another well written gem!
Just watched the Chris McCain interview; he seems like a solid guy. I love his expression at the 4:02 mark when Suh’s name comes up!
http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/article-1/Chris-McCain-Looks-To-Grow-Into-Increased-Role/95a44caf-b736-4fd7-8edf-dc197c7a7235
I noticed Tripp in there for a second. He really got much bigger. For that matter, McCain looks pretty slim.
Miami Dolphins Cheer @MDCheer 42m42 minutes ago
Welcome back @MDC_Chantal, who’s excited for her 3rd season on the field!
I hope you can read this!
LOL — that dude was writing that for his peeps at the office.
Great write OD……and nothing like a win against the Jets.
“Jet fans typically outnumbered Dolphin fans in the pre-Shula days”…….that’s changed some, but not incredibly so. And man are they obnoxious.
“I’m working on a lot of things, but mostly speed. I recently started doing Pilates, which made my body feel way better. It’s improving things that might not have been perfect before, like glute activation. That, along with the work I’ve done here in Fort Lauderdale at Pete Bommarito’s facility, has helped me attain a new level of speed and explosiveness at OTA’s, which was recognized by my coaches and teammates. ”
Sounds like Jarvis Landry ain’t resting on his great season…….hope he’s right on that increased speed and explosiveness.
Great stuff OD
I’m hoping to read about the Dolphins stomping the jests in 2015 as well
and 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020
…oh basically until my eyes fall out from reading it so much
“It’s improving things that might not have been perfect before, like glute activation.”
Glad to see Landry get his butt in gear!
Did some one say glute activation?
LOL — if colonpokey decided to get physical with Landry would he be able to make the on field defense of calls? Does seem like one smart rodent.
And a good morning to you too GDP
That’s what she said! 😉
She just activated me with her glutes
In all seriousness, it’s very refreshing to see how Hickey/Philbin have sought to bring in high caliber, high character, high morals, high work ethic type personnel.
Go Juice!
Too bad the Hickey move did not happen 1 year earlier or we would not be dealing with Dion Jordan now
Good stuff on Landry Stanger.
I think we’re going to have the best WR corp in the NFL this year and Tannehill is going to have a huge year. We’re also going to have a top 10 offense, and top 10 defense…maybe even top 5 for one or both. All the stars are aligning. OL is still the only major question IMHO…and it’s as much because of depth and the ability to withstand another injury to a tackle as it is the Guard position IMHO.
If the OL falls apart again (kind of unprecedented for a Benton coached team) my offense prediction may not come true…but I think Tannehill is going to bust out either way.
Cheers all! Hope the weathers nice up there Randy!
PS. you got it FFR. I’ve been busy building the brewery. 12 hour days for 2 1/2 weeks straight. Finally HAD to catch up on some office work this morning so figured I’d check in.
Awesome on the brew place Jahn………let us know when we can order/buy without coming to liberal assed Cali. 🙂
Well your choices are either change the wack-assed distribution laws in Florida or come to Liberal assed CA? 🙂
Not likely we’re going to be distributing to FL anytime soon. Craft beer is becoming hyper local. The only way I get Funky Buddha or Cigar City is by buying it when I’m there, or getting a friend to send it too me…which…btw…is probably the same route you’ll be receiving mine. 🙂
I understand. Think it great what you are doing though. You spread your distribution network as wide as you can and I’ll see when I land in your beer web. Hope you give us updates on what happens.
For sure I will Stanger.
Good stuff once again, OD. And the Mets still can’t hit.
Landry wants to be great. Love his attitude and work ethic.
Nice work OD. As usghe…it’s always good when the Jets lose. 🙂
Kool interview with Grimey. He’s gotten swol 😉
*I do like his stuff on work ethics, how when things go bad in practice it’s usually because he’s trying new things each year to keep on top of the game.
http://www.miamidolphins.com/multimedia/videos/-1-on-1-With-Brent-Grimes/0b666d22-fdb7-4bd1-96ab-f6654512d3d2?campaign=social_20150701_48458616&adbid=616297803359227904&adbpl=tw&adbpr=19853312
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wow nearly an hour & 40 mins between posts. Slow day today. We are in the doldrums of summer…
As one of you, who have been on this journey with the fins together, waiting, hoping, dejected and hopeful again. Year in and year out, and as one of you, who has preached patience and persistence as a fan in support of our boys, I genuinely identify my journey as a Warrior fan with my journey as a Fin Fan.
This is 3 minutes in a slow time of the season, but as a fin fan, it’s a reminder of what the payoff for all that patience and persistence can bring. I’ve seen the future for us as fin fans this year, and I believe it’s a bright one. Loyalty is my absolute favorite fan trait. Whether it’s myself who sees everything through Orange and Aqua lenses or Bat who see’s little other than failure and calamity, we all have one thing in common…loyalty to the fins.
If you don’t hate the Golden State Warriors, and especially if you pulled for them this post season, this, as a fin fan, is 3 minutes well worth watching. Cheers!
Do you have any Heat highlights?
😉
Jahn, I share your enthusiasm for our beloved Phins. 🙂
Welcome back Jahn! Good luck with the brewery!
I am so bored I ALMOST watched Jahn’s video…..Almost..
It’s about long suffering fans. You’re missing out. If you refused to see the parralel between being a Fins fan and Warriors fan all these years, it’s only because you refuse to see it. 😉
LOL or that I refuse to acknowledge anything basket ball related…(They play basketball right?)
The Mets can’t hit, and one of the guys we brought here to hit who hasn’t hit is out now (Cuddyer) Please bring up Conforto, and don’t even think about bringing up Kirk Nieuwenhuis up again. I can’t stand to see that again.
LOL @ Rock – This a slow time for football. Not a whole lot to to talk about, until we hit training camp, which is just a few weeks away.
Thanks Mike. Kinda slow around here, but it’s the slow season I guess. I’m exhausted and have to run out again right now, but it’s the kind of exhaustion that comes from putting your heart, soul, blood sweat and tears into something. Haven’t been this motivated in decades to be honest. 🙂
Glad to hear that Jahn. Again, best of luck.
I got to witness a little episode of road rage this morning . . . I’m on Route 9 in my area, which is a heavily driven road, and coming to a red light, about the 6th or 7th car before the light in the middle lane of 3. I see the 3rd car at the light first stop, and then put the car in park. Then this big black guy gets out of his car, not big as in 6’6″, more like 5’11” 280 +, and he runs to the car immediately in front of him, and approaches the drivers side, and the driver opens the door, but all I see is the big guy punching and pushing the driver, can’t see the driver. Then at some point, the light turns green, but even the first cars at the light don’t go, because they’re all watching the fight. I get to see a glimpse of the driver as he momentarily steps out, but the big guy pushes him back in the car and continues to close range punch him. Then the passenger side of the guy getting his asked kicked opens up, and a tall skinny guy runs over to help his friend, but the white skinny dude is outweighed by more than a 100 lbs, and the black guy just shrugs him off. Then the skinny dude pops the trunk, and gets a tire iron, and threatens the black to guy to leave his friend alone. The black guy doesn’t appear to be fazed, and then the white guy hits the black guy in his massive chest, and the black guy laughs, and pushes him away, and the decides he’s going to get back into his car. Now, the swollen faced driver steps out and walks after the guy who is about to get into his car and starts taunting him, which at the time I thought was totally ridiculous as it was never a fight, more a guy punching a heavy bag. Then finally a crease opened as cars finally started moving, and I left. Road rage is so stupid, and if the cops came, not only does the likely antagonist (the white guy) get a beating, but I’d bet he gets a ticket too.
^ who needs paragraphs? 😉
Road rage is bad. You’re better off just saying my bad an moving on.
Mike E, the Mets will just say Conforto isn’t ready. Even though outside of the pitching, most of the team isn’t ready. What do you have to lose? LOL
Why is Cuddyer out?
His feelings were very hurt after he didn’t get a hit. lol
I think his knee locked up on him. Not sure if the extent of the injury has been determined yet.
LOL and it’s not a big loss, he’s not living up to expectations anyway. I’d bring all the kids up, can it get any worse?
From PhinPhanatic:
Zach Thomas was an after thought in the 1996 NFL Draft. Selected 154th overall in the fifth round, Thomas was considered too small to be an NFL caliber linebacker.
Thomas responded to those claims with a 12-year, seven-Pro Bowl, over 1,000-tackle career. He’s 14th in team history in interceptions, 17th in sacks, and first in interceptions returned for touchdowns.
Yes, Zach Thomas has returned the most interceptions for touchdowns in team history. More than Jake Scott, Dick Anderson, Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain.
I DID NOT KNOW THAT!!
I knew he had like 4 or something but in OD’s articles it seems like Anderson and Scott had 4 each in a season. LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTkYE3jsKGs
I did not know that..
Tim
Exactly, that’s why I bring up Conforto. The guy is tearing it up at AA, so at least he’s hitting somewhere. Why bring up another recycled failure like Nieuwenhuis, when you bring in a guy with some confidence and skill.
Tim
No doubt about the road rage. Nothing to gain by it all, even if you did kick someone’s ass, the trouble you could get for it could not be worth it.
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OL Evan Mathis signed today with the Miami Dolphins. Details of the contract are not yet available.
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Holy Yit! Mike E is happy…..and sounds like we are going for it, but that makes sense given that Philbin is in a show it year.
Fake. I was just making things up because I am bored.
That just ain’t right Rock. BTW — just read your dog died. 🙂
Come on Stanger, you are sharper than that. Has ANYONE EVER been signed in the NFL on July 1st?…..
He’s a FA and it’s a business day…..not sure how July 1 comes into it.
July 1 falls in that dead time after OTA’s and before camp when EVERYONE including the GM and front office is on vacation. There is no NFL business going on this week…
The Bills sign free-agent tackle Wayne Hunter today…..guess at least one team is still working. It’s fine Rock, but FAs can be signed any day.
I sit corrected…..and now I stand and walk out the door.
WHAT!!!!?? My dog died?? OMG….wait….I don’t have a dog..You got me.
OK, going to walk out the front door early today and dare anyone to say boo to me here at work. Nogtih all. Catch you up later.
Rockphin says:
July 1, 2015 at 4:30 pm
From PhinPhanatic:
Zach Thomas was an after thought in the 1996 NFL Draft. Selected 154th overall in the fifth round, Thomas was considered too small to be an NFL caliber linebacker.
Thomas responded to those claims with a 12-year, seven-Pro Bowl, over 1,000-tackle career. He’s 14th in team history in interceptions, 17th in sacks, and first in interceptions returned for touchdowns.
Yes, Zach Thomas has returned the most interceptions for touchdowns in team history. More than Jake Scott, Dick Anderson, Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain.
I DID NOT KNOW THAT!!
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Not to downplay the accomplishment, but a LB generally intercepts screen passes with no one to stop him on the way to the end zone or in middle of the field with few but fat asses to hawk him down, so id expect this stat to be higher for a LB’er with a decent number of ints.
According to NFL.com we have the 25th best coach in the NFL. Yay!
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000499554/nfl-coach-power-rankings
But he’s #1 in picking up gum wrappers between the 20’s.
Well they know everything so no need to question it. 7-9, 8-8 and 8-8 with a horrible GM for all those years isn’t that bad. But 8-8, 6-10, 8-8 and 4-12 still has some respect. Funny how that stuff works. LOL
To correct Rockphin!
Jason Cole ✔ @JasonColeBR
Despite what other GMs, #Rams source says no interest in OL Evan Mathis. Prefer to let young players grow together.
I think this year for sure tells us what we have in Philbin. As long as everyone stays healthy this is a very solid team to work with. I also think a lot will be told about Belichick if Brady’s suspension isnt repealed.
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I actually was putting us down for potentially drafting him last year, in fact ironically the same day i mocked him to us with a trade back in the first was the same day he declared he was returning to ND.
Mike E, I have no desire to get my rocks off by kicking someone’s ass. I’d probably hold back from hitting them too hard anyway. I’m not that kind of person nor the biggest, toughest dude on the block anyway. I’d prefer to say sorry sir or mam and move on.
That said, harm my family of friends and I can get violent. But I’d rather keep that guy in a box nicely tucked away. 😉
At least Mathis has one of the best in the biz working for him (Drew Rosenhaus).
This was written at NFL.com on June 15:
Mathis’ agent, Drew Rosenhaus, told WQAM radio last week that “at least a half a dozen” teams have reached out about the guard, but declined to name any of them.
“Now it’s wide open and there’s a lot of interest in Evan,” Rosenhaus said. “Between now and the start of training camp I definitely expect him to have a new home. I think we’ll be methodical. We won’t necessarily rush into signing immediately. Mathis’ agent, Drew Rosenhaus, told WQAM radio last week that “at least a half a dozen” teams have reached out about the guard, but declined to name any of them.
Jahn,
Nice to see things are lining up for you.
GS, Brewery, and now you got me feeling that I won’t have to wait long to see the Fins complete your trifecta 🙂
Tim Knight says:
July 1, 2015 at 5:50 pm
Mike E, I have no desire to get my rocks off by kicking someone’s ass. I’d probably hold back from hitting them too hard anyway. I’m not that kind of person nor the biggest, toughest dude on the block anyway. I’d prefer to say sorry sir or mam and move on.
That said, harm my family of friends and I can get violent. But I’d rather keep that guy in a box nicely tucked away. 😉
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Im in same boat, i will snatch a punk out of a car if they endanger my kids or wife, but otherwise ill just smile and let it pass over me. Find it generally pisses them off more to know shit isn’t having the desired effect.
PICKED-UP Phil Steele’s 2015 College Football Preview magazine, which hit the stands nationwide today. It is BY FAR the best magazine of its type. The research and information is mind-boggling!! –And, best of all, there’s GOOD NEWS for some of the regular contributors on this site. –FIRST, Miss Gigi’s Hurricanes are predicted by Steele to be THE MOST IMPROVED TEAM IN DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL THIS SEASON and a legitimate contender for the ACC crown. He ranks them #21 in the nation for 2015.
SECOND, Steele has good news for HERD’s Marshall team. Last year Marshall lost only one game (67 to 66) and won their bowl game 52-23 over Northern Illinois. They ended up 23rd in the final poll. Steele has them finishing #31 this season, culminating in yet another bowl game appearance.
THIRD, Steele even has some good news for my Florida Atlantic Owls (who only won 3 games last year, losing 4 games in the last minute of the game, or in overtime). Steele says FAU will win more games this year, due in no small part to the 30th ranked QB in Division One football, Jacquez Johnson, and an improved offensive line. FAU hosts Miami September 12, the second weekend of the season. An FAU alum told me that game is “virtually sold out.”
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Glad so many of you liked this installment of FOLLOWING PERFECTION!
Tim
You and D have the right of it. It’s a stupid thing, and everyone makes mistakes on the road, even the best drivers. I suppose if someone attacked me, it would be a different story, but I wouldn’t start something no matter how egregious the error or douchebaggerous the cut off was.
OD – We like ALL of the installments of Absolute Perfection and Following Perfection!
Thanks, Mike.
Al, there’s no hurry for a guy like Mathis, and his agent knows it. He’s proven himself! He knows the ropes! He’s too much a vet to want to even worry about participating in someone’s TC and possibly getting hurt or nicked up @ 33 yrs old.
Under those circumstances, I’d have Evan just sit tight, let TC start around the league, a few guys will get hurt on teams, and many more will suck @ LG 😉
Then when teams come a callin, ringin my phone, I can now play hard ball in contract negotiations.
SHOW ME THE MONEY!!! Ahhhh, the smell of money.
Or he’ll be forced to sign for one year at $2.5M. That’s a lot better than zero.
Evan & Drew probably feel that’s the last resort…hey, who could use another $2.5M ? 😉
Another example of the hyper-sensitive society in which we now live:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/dukes-hazzard-dropped-tv-land-150101689.html
I never cared for the confederate flag
And I don’t think it has a place as a state flag
But I’m a little surprised what a big deal people are making our of it
The dukes of hazard didn’t have any racial undertones
This was nothing discriminatory about it
They were just proud southerners
I don’t think they meant any harm by the confederate flag
Exactly. I don’t think it has a place as a state flag either, but i don’t care if people want to display it on their own. It is more of a southern pride thing nowadays, rather than a racial thing.
The Flying Pig says:
July 1, 2015 at 8:27 pm (Edit)
…I don’t think they meant any harm…
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🎵”…Just good ol’ boys
Never meanin’ no harm…”🎵
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Lol @ twice
I didn’t even realize it
I never cared for the Dukes of Hazard either. Can we make them go away too?
The confederate flag stands for rebellion and dissension, not unity. The south lost the war and many of them still think parts of the country as yankees or northerners in a negative light. I never look at people of the south as southerners in some negative way. I think of them as so where are you from? We’re all countrymen. That flag should have been buried over a 100 years ago.
Depends on your perspective and knowledge of true history, not just today’s revisionism.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/30/why-some-black-defenders-of-the-confederate-flag-believe-slavery-was-a-choice/
It’s a pointless debate. To be honest, I didn’t even click the link. I’m tired of the same old tired excuses for something we all know exists but let’s pretend it doesn’t.
What does the confederate flag mean for you, southern hospitality like politeness? Really, is that a southern thing? I don’t think so. The entire country knows food, spirits, music and good times for all with the exception of assholes. But the confederate flag stands for more bad than good and it’s not that hard to see. It is clearly used to state an issue with other races, religions and lifestyles.
I think it stands for anti-American. You don’t believe in true freedom. Not William Wallace freedom.
Tim, great interview with this former NAACP chapter leader in the south. Got to respect his view as well.
What the Hell does Daisy and her short shorts have to do with slavery!
LMAO @ Twice!
I wonder if the Dolphins will have any interest . . .
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25224878/isaiah-battle-to-definitely-earn-interest-in-nfls-supplemental-draft
I was checking that out yesterday and thought the same thing.
How about that Mets hiting Mike? 0 runs in 11 innings? Stellar!
It’s killing me! It’s so hard to watch them when you just know they can’t hit. If you can’t hit, you can’t screw up tailor made double plays, and run the bases with your head up your ass, and miss a suicide squeeze bunt. You have to get the bat on the ball, it’s a friggin’ bunt!
Yup! The talk about a trade is futile IMO. There aren’t any big bats on the trading block right now, and the ones who are would not make much of a difference. The bottom line is we just need to start hitting.
Bri
Not futile really. You have to start somewhere. I’d trade 3 pitchers, 1 for a solid bat, and the other 2 for a really good bat. Someone will be available, you have to stay on top of it. I’d trade Colon, Niese and one of the young pitchers, or we can’t compete this year. I suppose we could always say “Next year”, but if you want to make it into the playoffs, you need 2 bats. That would change the dynamic enough to get the other guys hitting.
I’m okay with Colon or Niese, but no way am I trading any of the young guns. I’d be okay with missing the playoffs this year if that’s what it takes to develop some of the younger talent in the minors. The thing about a trade is who are we going to get, and where do we put him? Lagares and Granderson are set in the OF, Duda at 1st, Wright at 3rd, we don’t need a catcher, so that leaves only 3 postions we could possibly upgrade: SS 2B, and LF. Cuddyer has a year remaining on his deal, Herrera is potentially the future 2B, and now that Syndegaard and Matz have been promoted, SS is a position that has high ranking prospects for us.The current roster needs to start hitting.
And who is that solid bat? No names I’ve heard being thrown around will do much to change the offense. Zobrist, Ramirez? Pass.
Not sure who’s available Bri, and no, I’m not trading Syndergaard or Matz, I meant Montero. Not sure if Martin Prado is available, I had heard he was, plus, he can play 3rd base properly.
If I’m the Mets, I don’t count on Wright at all. If he comes back, you don’t know what he can give you, and how long he can give it to you. If he does come back healthy, it’s just gravy.
Here’s a tidbit of true history that I find compelling.
George Wallace stood in the doorway of an Alabama school in a vein effort of keeping it segregated. He was the leader of the segregation movement in the south and his most prominent backer in his run for governor of Alabama was none other then the founder of Nascar, Bill France.
After the white supremacist murdered 9 people having bible study in the church in South Carolina, Brian France, Bill’s grandson and current Nascar CEO said he wanted the Confederate Flag banned from Nascar events.
“We want to go as far as we can to eliminate the presence of that flag … I personally find it an offensive symbol, so there is no daylight how we feel about it and our sensitivity to others who feel the same way. We’re working with the industry to see how far we can go to get that flag to be disassociated entirely from our events.”
Dale Earnhardt Jr., Grandson of Ralph Earnhardt, one of Bill France’s most prominnent original circuit drivers backed him:
“I think it’s offensive to an entire race,” Earnhardt said. “It belongs in the history books and that’s about it.”
When it’s time, it’s time. Some people will always fear change no matter what. I loved Dukes of Hazzard, and see it as collateral damage in a much more important issue. There is no way in hell I let my childhood fantasies of Daisy Duke cloud my judgement on this far more meaningful issue. FFS, I never even knew I had a channel called “TV Land”.
The confederate flag has been misappropriated by racists just as the swastika has. I agree with Dale Earnhardt Jr. and Brian France.
I see something I say something.
Makes sense to me.
I would probably call dukes of hazard collateral damage as well in terms of cultural perception. I won’t lose sleep over not seeing it. It was kind of a dumb show anyway
But I don’t feel the need to censor it any more than I feel he need to pull raiders of the lost ark from airing bc there are nazi flags in it
It’s totally different to not want the flag as your symbol or the symbol of a state than it is to completely obliterate its existence in any representation.
Removing it as South Carolina flag (which is IMO the choice for South Carolina to make) is removing a negative symbol to many (including South Carolina residents) from you state – so it makes sense to me
Removing it from TV as if it never accepted is just censorship as if it never existed and unacceptable. we cannot continue to remove things from TV bc they are not outdated, less acceptable or offensive to people – that undermines free speech, the core value of our country
Is a privately owned television station not allowed to determine it’s programming based on it’s own criteria? Government censorship is clearly a bad idea because of it’s overarching implications, but I think your campaign against censorship would be more noble if you applied it to the fact that public schools all over the country censor children’s language every day.
BTW, you’re a smart dude Piggy, you always give me something to think about. Thanks for that.
also btw, it is you and Ken who taught me that this is not a freedom of speech issue, because the constitution does not guarantee the right of the makers of Dukes of Hazzard to have their show aired on TV Land Network…
One last BTW. My post wasn’t about Dukes of Hazzard. It was collateral information. 😉
Why cancel the Dukes of Hazard?
As far as I know every TV comes with a channel Changing remote!
And I agree ! It should be the owners of TV Lands decision either way!
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it was the owners of TV Land who chose to pull Dukes of Hazard from the airwaves
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If we were in Court arguing about the right of viewers to sue TV Land based on a 1st Amendment violation, it would be dismissed
But that is not what I am talking about at all
Anyone can censor: a gov’t agency or a anyone in the private sector. I purposely didn’t say TV Land violated the 1st amendment to avoid this hypertechnical argument – which is of course, completely accurate but has nothing to do with our cultural values as a country, which IMO flow from the 1st amendment.
the constitution, particularly the bill of rights, represents the core values of the foundation of our country. And the first amendment is the first one for a reason – bc it matters the most.
I happen to think a private company which censors something b/c it offends people undermines everything this Country is built on, so I despise it. I am not arguing that a private entity has a right to do it or not – just that they are spitting on our forefathers dreams by doing it, and therefore should go fuck themselves…lol
BTW, even the gov’t legally censors. The FCC is a good example of that. And if I had my way the FCC would not exist either and George Carlin would have been allowed to say whatever the fuck he wanted and we would have grown up on his comedy shows instead of reruns of the Dukes of Hazard which was appearantly so much more offensive than any of the words Carlin was never permitted to broadcast
but the wind didn;t blow that way in the 80s, so today the confederate flag is the new boogeyman under your bed and no one will be allowed to look under their bed so that they spared the unquestionable harm that will follow when they are offended which appears to be what our society wishes was the first amendment: “No one should be offended ever”. That would have been a great way to start the constitution.
I don’t know what goes on in schools, but my FCC example should cover that. Just b/c it happens doesn’t mean I agree with it. And just bc it happens doesn’t mean it is right. And I don;t think some one should have to discuss all wrongs to prove a point either.
wyoming85 says:
July 1, 2015 at 10:26 pm
What the Hell does Daisy and her short shorts have to do with slavery!
well, i am sure quite few were slaves to their right hand cause of her
She might be responsible for half the carpal tunnel of most 50 year old males! 😉
so now no dukes of hazard but i still have to see on tv some fucker in the shower with a hole in his throat from smoking.
i dont get it, cant show a womans breast on tv but can show some hideous cancer ridden fuck on tv.
I hate the anti smoking commercials
they are the worst and always disgusting
They are that way on purpose, and as a smoker admit they bother me enough that I flip out of them…….even if I understand logically these are worst case scenarios. I hope kids are equally disgusted and it stops some from picking up that first one. Wish I never did.
I don’t think they have the influence they purport to have on whether some one smokes or not
I’m not sure any of these scare tactics have ever worked with alcohol, drugs or smoking
And BTW the smoking commercials are a pretty good example of why the distinction between the private sector and the public sector is not always so clear
Even though they are aired on privately owned companies
the organization that produces them is a nonprofit an excused from paying taxes
and the private entity channel which airs them probably (just a guess) gets a tax break because they air them without a fee (or the fee is paid by the govt) instead of selling the time for those commercials to a private owned company
So the gov’t certainly has influence over those particular commercials being aired instead of FFRob getting the T&A he deserves!
Piggy,
Great post. I also despise the voluntary censorship. It definitely falls under a slippery slope argument and limits the quality of experiences we get to voluntarily experience. Sure, the Dukes was a bad show but it was pretty inoffensive and easily not seen since it was now shown on TVLand.
The overriding push to make individual rights and desires sacrosanct is impossible in a society. There has to be some give and take in everything…not this absolutist garbage. The media already has way too much influence on our society that it’s scary when they decide to eliminate something.
Piggy, being offended by something is one thing, people flying a symbol that represents the hatred of certain groups of people is another. Some Christians are offended that gay people can get married because it goes against their faith and the sanctity of marriage. But gay people getting married doesn’t hurt anyone nor does it stand for hatred, it’s a vow of love. I find there is a big difference in being offended and outright hated because of who a person is. Hatred leads to violence as we’ve seen plenty of times.
I don;t care for the confederate flag
I don;t get it actually
So I don;t think you are wrong, except that I think it doesn’t not symbolize hate to a lot of people who embrace it – but I don’t think that matters so much
where I disagree with you is your conclusion that hatred leads to violence
sometimes hatred just leads to hate
sometimes it leads to nothing
violence is violence
symbols don;t necessarily cause violence, albeit I think they demonstrate some sort of rallying ideal for people who act out violently
but you don;t have to look at causation
and I don’t think you should to make decisions on what people should see and hear
free will is something we have to treat with greater importance than the remote possibility that symbols cause violence
If everything you say is right
then I ask you to consider what is more important
the fact that these symbols may cause violence OR the preservation of our freedom to see and hear these symbols
I would argue that it is more important to preserve every individuals rights to see or hear whatever they want to see or hear
having a voice and permitting people to hear that voice is a foundational principal of this country, even when you disagree with the content
the constitution, particularly the bill of rights, represents the core values of the foundation of our country. And the first amendment is the first one for a reason – bc it matters the most.
Is it? Because it matter’s the most? MAYBE it was just the first one they thought of when they realized the constitution as written was a flawed document? I’m not arguing this point just throwing it out there in my smart ass way. LOL
They drafters actually made a decision to prioritze free speech
its not just a coincidence in this case
The Flying Pig says:
July 2, 2015 at 11:52 am
I don’t think they have the influence they purport to have on whether some one smokes or not
I will tell you. Before I quit smoking (65 days ago and counting!! ) those anti-smoking commercials did nothing for me except remind me about tobacco, which would promptly make me get up from my seat on the couch and go to the back porch to smoke one!
Piggy … Excellent post ..I agree completely ..censorship is a slippery slope indeed. The PC Nazis will never be satisfied.
Tim .. It’s not up to you or anyone else to determine the feelings of people who fly the confederate flag. If people are offended, they can not look at it, get on with their lives or kill themselves ..The constitution guarantees no one the right to not be offended …I do agree that it is inappropriate to fly the flag on government property.
The Flying Pig says:
July 2, 2015 at 11:52 am (Edit)
I don’t think they have the influence they purport to have on whether some one smokes or not
I’m not sure any of these scare tactics have ever worked with alcohol, drugs or smoking
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Like this little gem:
I love refer madness…lol
I saw it when I was about 11 years old with my brother and sister and we knew it was just bullshit
LOL — but hey….Phil still got laid. 🙂
Hey, you guys should not despise voluntary censorship. I voluntarily censor myself from posting body painted chicks with footballs positioned questionably since I offended Herd. Voluntary Censorship should be applauded in some cases.
I find it disturbing that people fight for the freedom of speech to openly hate others and that is so revered, as opposed to basic civility towards others. Don’t we consider ourselves to be a civil society, or at least try to be?
basic civility is just a choice
I do think in a free country people can choose to be dbags
I would rather live in a free country with lots of dbags
than a country where all the dbags were forced to be quiet – the quiet dbags are no less douchey and the douchey quality always finds a way to manifest itself
For some one to brazenly display the confederate flag and not think for a second that it might offend african americans or not care is douchey
but I want to know who the douches are – don’t you?
besides, I don;t want to babysit people’s conduct and I don;t want to legislate it
I’m not always happy about the results and decisions people make
but I would still rather given them than decision than to be stuck trying to control it – which never works
Bat, your last sentence is all I’m saying. Individuals can fly it on their property or wear it. But government and private sectors can also eliminate it if they choose. And government is also made up of citizens, it’s not an exclusive entity as some accuse it of being. We live in a society here. LOL
Tim …We are a FREE society. That trumps anything else. It is the principle on which this country was founded. As long as they don’t harm anyone else physically, people should be able to hate whoever and whatever they choose. The “offended” class needs to get over themselves and realize how unimportant and annoying they are
Tim …To be more precise, Government is made up of people too stupid, lazy or corrupt to succeed in the private sector.
Tim ..Government was intended to be made up of citizens just like us. There was never meant to be any such thing as a career politician. The people who are supposed to be “public servants” have become “public rulers”. They operate above the law and try to seize more and more power over us. A bunch of inept, corrupt jackasses issuing mandates and dictates about things they know nothing about.
Piggy, symbols do mean something or we wouldn’t have them. To me it’s a wink wink communication in many instances. Ultimately banning a flag on public property isn’t going to end hate, but it does show a basic respect towards groups of people who aren’t just offended, but have been violated under the premise of what it stands for. I don’t think any of us would be comfortable driving down a street with Nazi flags flying and hung on buildings. What would those flags stand for?
Yeah but going from symbols to violence is not like going to from A to B, its like going from A to W and there are a lot of intervening alphabets…lol
Its not a clean causation
and it cannot be said to be just by the mere fact that we can all see/hear and experience these symbols will cause us to act violently and really only a small percentage of people (probably less than .000000000000000000000000000000001%) actually do act violently
That kid who shot up that church had real psychological issues
if he didn’t gravitate to hatred towards black people it probably would have been another group
albeit, I concede that the nazi flag or a symbol does give people who feel that way a rallying symbol and that probably helps create the vehicle that leads to hateful acts
there is reasonable concerns when you are talking about symbols or speech for that matter that are meant to oppress a group of people
I have no problem with the dialogue about why its bad
but I think when TV Land removes it from a show that sort of innocently displayed it on a car, it crosses the line to a bigger problem in our society and that is the fear of being offended at the expense of free speech
and honestly I do not think if we remove the existence of the confederate flag from being able to be seen anywhere, we have done anything to stop racism
Tim Knight says:
July 2, 2015 at 11:59 am
Piggy, being offended by something is one thing, people flying a symbol that represents the hatred of certain groups of people is another.
so a hatred group flys a flag, a flag that wasnt intended for that group, it should be banned. pretty damn sure the same hatred group flys the american flag too. guess that should be banned also
I’d be sorta of scared to go to a club with Big Ben, even if I wasn’t locked in a bathroom with him with his boys guarding the door.
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“Ben just did the whole thing. The rookie ended up with a $25,000 bill from the club.”
Rashard Mendenhall on what happened to a rookie O-lineman who handed over his credit card to his QB after a rookie dinner.
besides this whole flag thing is bs. it is exactly what the media tries to do with every thing. create news instead of report news. that is it. it is just taking away from the real problem of hate groups and racism. the media doesnt give one rats ass about the true problem they just want sensationalism. and by pushing this bs flag agenda they are getting just that. just look at us here, no one is talking the real problem of hate groups and racism we are talking about a dumb flag.
when in a country the media can make the whoredasians millionaires, no one really cares about the deeper issues
Piggy, yes I do want to know who those dbags are and once the flags come down in public places, the people who choose to keep flying it will be exposed. Nobody’s rights are being taken away by taking the flag down in public places. I feel the debate has gotten off track.
Bat, it is perfectly justifiable to be offended. Do you think black people shouldn’t be offended if they’re walking down the street and a truck packed with good ole boys drives by flying the confederate flag and yelling racial slurs? I mean when did we stop being civil?
I don;t think SC should display it as there state flag if that is what you mean
but removing the Dukes of Hazard from TV Land bc the car has a confederate flag is a different can of worms and that really bothers me
Of course I fully endorse removing the Dukes of Hazard from TV b/c they named a fat guy “Boss Hog” which is pigscrimination and WILL NOT BE TOLERATED
The Dukes of Hazzard removal is kind of silly because everyone knows that show was a silly comedy and not about hate.
On the violence thing, yes that kid did have severe psychological issues, but then you’d have to say that for years a large portion of our country had severe psychological issues, right? Because they tortured and killed people for the same reasons that kid did. It was once institutionalized.
FFR, the confederate flag was a symbol that stood for rebelling against the rest of the country and wanting to keep an unconstitutional way of life. That group lost the war. That flag should have been put away then.
Sorry the arguments defending that flag are weak but typical.
Tim ..Nothing wrong with being offended, the problem comes when you try to leverage you feelings into action against things that offend you. Being offended is the offended parties problem. Leave the rest of society out of it.
LMAO @ “pigscrimination” …
The confederate flag isn’t the state flag of SC. This is:
http://www.50states.com/flag/scflag.htm
well that is not acceptable either
Look at the way the moon is turning its back on that tree
How are trees supposed to feel about that!
Although it is a palmetto tree
and palmettos are jerks
Tim Knight says:
July 2, 2015 at 12:43 pm
Sorry the arguments defending that flag are weak but typical.
wow, you are being a little rough on yourself there big guy.
and that isnt what you said earlier. earlier you said a hate group used the flag as its symbol. all i said is if that is the reason for taking it down then shouldnt they take down everything the hate group uses.
Rough on myself? Big guy? Really, man?
The mass removal of something just because it offends someone just leads to problems. Sure, the Confederate flag shouldn’t be on government property. But, the push is much greater than that. What s the next thing we will overreact to? Isn’t this just focusing hate onto another group?
Tim
for the most part, I have been talking about the removal of the Dukes of Hazard from TV Land
So I don;t think we disagree
but I also don;t like the fact that we are associated what that idiot kid did with slavery
I don;t think slavery had anything to do with a psychological disorder
I don;t think racism in today’s society is a result of a psychological disorder – and for the record, I have probably argued more than anyone else here about how prevalent racism is today
but that has nothing to do with crazy IMO
what that kid was an act of a crazy man IMO
And people (at least on TV and in debates) have gravtiated to something they already had a problem with in response to what he did – so I am bothered by that, bc IMO its not really a solution to either problem
When white town leaders and other citizens got together in the 50’s and 60’s in the deep south, put on their white robes and hoods, headed out into the night and lynched black people, what was going on there? Just good ole southern pride? That kid said he was killing those innocent people in the church for the same reasons those white town leaders and citizens did it. So why separate the two? The result was the same.
it wasn;t good ole southern pride
it was racism
and while the kid was racist , it was still a pretty random act of violence
just bc the result is the same doesn’t mean they are the same
If you really want to stop something, you have to know why it occurs
and grouping those things together bc they are equally ugly won;t do that
in one scenario the society around people accepted it
but in the 2nd, it did not and that kid still murdered people
its a much different psychology