The Porcine Oddyssey #101:
An Artistic Interpretation on the Dolphins 2015 Season.
Ahh…what to do on Sundays when the Dolphins suck…I know what I do. I can go to the museum. I know just the spot. They are having a Dolphins Exhibit about the 2015 season. Let’s check it out.
This one is called Tanny Pollack. It leaves a lot to the imagination. If you stare it at for long time you will have your own interpretation of Tanny too.
Is he the future or not?
Look at his offensive line collapse around him? Did he hold the ball too long?
Why can’t his receivers get open? Was that pass late? Did he miss the receiver?
What a dumb play call? Did Tanny make a bad decision?
Different people see a lot of different things in Tanny Pollack.
For the purpose of this post – I will be silent on my opinion, but there dis no question about it – opinions vary a lot on Tannehill.
This one is called Dolphins vs Patriots.
Amid a flurry of penalty flags the Dolphins pass rush tries to get to Tom Brady but appears to only end up dancing around him.
Tom Brady stands lady like as he delivers another TD pass…this one makes me cry a little.
Note that Vernon is helping an injured Cameron wake off the field. Exactly what we needed when we played the Patriots – Our best pass rusher blows an achilles.
Fuck it all!
Moving on to sculpture here we have “Monday Morning Dolfan”
This sculpture represents what Dolfans feel like on Monday morning after the game.
Who knew they ate so much corn?
Here is another depiction of the Dolphin fan experience: “Boulevard of Broken Dolfans”
Just your average Dolphin Bar.
On the TV screen Tanny is sacked. Thankfully the lady with the shotgun’s has not stained the television with her blood, so you can enjoy the misery of the 2015 Dolfans while she blows her head off.
The other patrons deal with suicide in their own way while watching the Dolphins.
How did the guy on the bar off himself? Pills? Poison? Heart Attack?
The artists wants us to think – How do I want to kill myself when the Dolphins play?
The possibilities are limitless!
This is “The Scream on 3rd and 6”
This painting is classic expressionism. This is what is going on on the mind of the offensive coordinator on 3rd and 6.
On first down he called a WR scene and picked up two yards. On 2nd down he ran a running play out of the shotgun and picked up two yards.
Now what? PANIC!!! ARhhhhhhh! Its 3rd and 6 again.
Oh fuck it just throw a 4 yard pass and hope the receiver breaks a tackle for the first down…
It took me a while to figure this one out. Its called “Grimes Covers”
If you look closely you can see Brent Grimes covering a wide receiver on a deep pass.
Still can’t see it?
Look closer…
See it?
Me neither…
its nowhere to be found…just like the real Brent Grimes covering a wide receiver on deep passes in 2015.
This one is a just called “Dolphins”
It’s gritty realism. This is what the Miami Dolphins say to you every season.
Finsmob Unleashed 
Ah, I remember it like it was just yesterday….or a year ago. The OL is getting crushed by fans on the blog for not being sale to run block. Poor little orphan Randy says: “But fellas…we NEVER commit to the run and don’t establish a running game…EVER! How can you bash the poor little OL? Isn’t it more about the offensive scheme?” Then orphan Randy ducks his balding head so as not to get hit by flying dicks as bloggers vent their hatred on the always put upon…never appreciated OL.
ffr,
Blow me.
Randy says:
December 21, 2015 at 7:29 pm
ffr,
Blow me.
ok sure, but the ‘hey, look at me. i said it before anyone’ game is still so fucking lame.
pretty sure since al gore invented the internet the words ‘well, i said this guy would be great but he isnt he actually sucks and i was wrong’ have never been uttered.
ffr
That wasn’t even the point of my post, but thanks for your commentary.
Randy says:
December 21, 2015 at 7:44 pm
ffr
That wasn’t even the point of my post, but thanks for your commentary.
oh what an asshole you are. you thank me for my commentary but not the blow job.
Randy
I didn’t agree with one thing D said about Tannehill. Does that make you feel better? lol
mike
why not. it isnt like what D said is wrong. tanny has not improved this year. the whole team has not improved. and one can make all the excuses in the world as to why but bottom line tanny doesnt look better this year. is it cause the oline or play calling who knows. that is like saying the pass rush sucks cause the secondary does or vice versa. all just an excuse, cause after all that is what losing teams do, make excuses
There are reasons teams are bad. It’s not always excuses. Both the offense and defense struggled because of a lot of things. Personnel, coaching, sub par performances from players that more was expected. We can find issues on our team in all three categories.
Tannehill’s greatest sacks, hits, & takedowns by: OL & The Turnstiles?
‘We can find issues on our team in all three categories.’
yeah tim, but when every one was pointing fingers at tanny i said that first. i said it first…hey timmie listen to me. i said it first. stop ignoring me….I SAID IT FIRST.
Noooo, you said it after Randy. I checked the timeline above.
wtf, how is christmas in 4 days. didnt football just start like last weekend. i could swear i just finished tax season about 3 weeks ago, and now all of a sudden it is christmas
getter,
that isnt true. randy just said the oline is fantastic and if they had a real qb would never give up a single sack. of course that is cause they would run the ball for 60 offensive plays but hey they would never give up a sack.
ffr,
See…it just feels so good, doesn’t it? Since you haven’t had sex since the Reagan years, maybe it’s you who should be thanking me for providing you with the erotic pleasure of a good ole “I said it first”. Now wipe your chin and sit up straight. You have a blog to entertain.
All I’m going to say about a certain quarterback I liked in the draft is
You like that!
You like that!
‘wipe my chin’ ‘WIPE MY CHIN’
ok asshole now you gone and offended me. like i am some kind of armature an need to wipe my chin afterwards. i think i know full well what i am doing. i havent wiped my chin since the carter years
ffr,
Hey, it was the coaches who came in saying we were gonna have an uptempo offense and run lots of plays. I remember. It sounded so good. But then….it became obvious that those sorts of offenses rely on precision and execution consistently….things this team has only read about in stories. Now, it would seem the pendulum has swung and a more balanced, more eat up the clock sort of offense is being reconsidered. The OL are only trying to get the play over as fast as they can, so we can throw another WR screen.
I don’t know why anyone would expect improvement from Tannehill, knowing how bad the play calling has been, and how bad the O-line has been in pass protection. It’s hard for the QB to get better when everything else in the offense is worse.
There’s no reason he can’t be more accurate and decisive. That’s not part of the offense that’s part of playing qb.
ffr
The Carter years were more about nuts! Lol
son of a son of a shula says:
December 21, 2015 at 8:39 pm
All I’m going to say about a certain quarterback I liked in the draft is
You like that!
You like that!
lmao, so you are bragging you liked a 7-7 qb. i said it before and will again, so glad you are not in charge of personnel.
Wah wah
gdp
I loved “What about Earl”! Great show.
Is that a sequel to ‘My Name is Earl”? lol
I wouldn’t rule out Caldwell as a candidate for our coach it’s likely Detroit lets him go. Suh loves him.
randy
to your uptempo comment. yep i agree. another mistake in this organization. ok what next mistake you want me to agree with.
finfanrob says:
December 21, 2015 at 8:32 pm (Edit)
wtf, how is christmas in 4 days. didnt football just start like last weekend. i could swear i just finished tax season about 3 weeks ago, and now all of a sudden it is christmas
Time flies when you’re having fun.
son of a son of a shula says:
December 21, 2015 at 8:46 pm
Wah wah
ok there, yeah that. be charlie browns teacher. you would be better at that role.
Randy says:
December 21, 2015 at 8:41 pm
ffr
The Carter years were more about nuts! Lol
hey, if i am going to do a job i am going to do it right. there is no ignoring other parts
‘Time flies when you’re having fun.’
only problem is i dont remember having any fun
https://twitter.com/brohumors/status/679119186690379776
I have that at my house almost every day. My kids already had a cat, then we ‘fostered’ a kitten that was left in the parking lot where I work and he’s still here. They do not get along. The other day, the new cat/kitten chewed through the wires on my Christmas tree lights….it was pretty much like the cat’s reaction in Christmas Vacation.
MikeE,
In all seriousness about Tannehill, yes, other factors impact his ability to do his job. But, you can say that about every single position on the field….but we seem to only hear it where Tannehill is concerned. And, you are allowed to step up and be the difference maker. He most definitely makes the jobs of his OL and his recievers harder than it needs to be at times. Why is that never a factor? It’s not like Tannehill is this really good playoff-tested QB that only fails because of the ineptitude of those around him. I’ve seen that before, and this ain’t it. Tannehill is part of this failure, and I think he’s a significant part. That is where I differ with most Tanneholics.
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Yes, he has good arm strength. Yes, he is fairly mobile. What else? His accuracy is good on short stuff…otherwise he seems inconsistent. What else would you say he’s good at or above average….because I can’t think of anything. Leadership? No. Reading defenses? No. Manipulating defenses? No. Elevates the play of others? No. Plays big in big moments/clutch? No. Pocket awareness? No. Football IQ? Boy, it doesn’t seem like it, but this one can be hard to see.
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I assume your opinion differs on these things…or you see his production as simply a function of the team’s failure….and that’s part of the enjoyment of sports. It’s why some watch Star Wars and think it sucks and others think it’s great! Lol
Fairly mobile? That’s what you’d say about Eli. LOL
herd,
Oh crap. See what happens when I blog too often? I blame you. Lol
son of a son of a shula says:
December 21, 2015 at 8:39 pm
All I’m going to say about a certain quarterback I liked in the draft is
You like that!
You like that!
Reply
LOL second Cousins? 1-5 on the road. You like that? Ok sure. Can we trade for him asap.
Come on you know I was alone liking him and he’s done damn well for himself given everything.
I’m proud of him and happy for him as well.
Randy says:
December 21, 2015 at 9:03 pm
MikeE,
In all seriousness about Tannehill, yes, other factors impact his ability to do his job. But, you can say that about every single position on the field
yet all you talk about is how bad tanny is. and everything you say about him is right. he is a part of the problem. and i get being the qb that most just center on. but you can replace him with any qb you want in the league and this team is just maybe one or two wins better.
now i know i will be labeled a tanny defender cause i am sure where i said you are right and he is part of the problem is blacked out on your screen. but this team needs a lot. ross needs a scorch approach. fire everyone. hire someone and tell them, no one on his team has a job. even the qb and the high priced failure sue. let someone that knows football take total control
Randy
I agree that Tannehill hasn’t been as accurate as he has in the past, but I think it’s partially because he has less time to throw, and partially because he’s all wound up. He’s made strides in what I’ve seen in throwing the ball deeper, but I think he still struggles with a little arc on the ball, and he still definitely can’t throw an end zone fade pass. He just can’t do it. Why, I have no idea.
gdp
Now, now, we cannot hold poor records against QBs. We voted on that. QBs have absolutely no impact on a team’s record. I’ll forward you the memo, you naughty little free-thinker.
I wonder if Tannehill knows the teams in each division yet?
That’s a serious question by the way.
What do you guys think of ILB Reggie Ragland of Alabama? He seems to have the size and skills necessary to be a 3-down ILB or MLB. He’s a physical dude.
Son, Cousins has had some good games. I like some of the guys on their OL, their awesome TE Reed & couple of very good receivers. Not bad @ RB either…and at least they rush the ball a bit more than Miami who is 32nd in rush attempts.
With Lamar Miller and an OL that seemed to thrive in the ZBS rush offense. Sure they struggled here and there but they were clearly better running the ball than in pass pro. So what do we do, throw it 512 times and rush 285. Got it! SMH
That’s a 64 to 36 pass/rush ratio. That tells a lot of the story. The play-calling has been horrible, let’s be honest.
Opponents passed 488 and had 452 rushes against us. Wow… we allowed balanced attacks against us. I would have never figured that. 😦
Opponents have run 143 more plays than us which includes 167 more rushes than us. You don’t have to look much further than this.
son of a son of a shula says:
December 21, 2015 at 9:15 pm
Come on you know I was alone liking him
lmao, yippie. another hey look at me i said this first. (although you are bragging about a qb that is nothing but average so far) but yippie . yipfuckingie. when are you going to talk about all the smack you said that if they signed sue, they would be winners and he was the missing piece.
Ok, I admit it. I liked John Beck. I’m in recovery.
randy,
you should be a politician. you lecture gdp that you cant hold the record against a qb, and even voted on it. then you tell mike e the qb is more responsible for the team cause he touches the ball every play. if that isnt perfect political bs i dont know what is.
Randy is an aisle crosser. 😉
Tim Ragland is a good looking prospect, but isn’t he rated a 1st rounder? If so, I wouldn’t take him in the top10 where we’ll likely end up. I do also like the Stanford kid Blake Martinez. He’s solid and physical with keen instincts for an inside player.
He’s rated top 12-15 and we’re at #10 at the moment. He fits what we need.
I’m in cut and paste hell again.
At least I’ll offer an opinion.
tim,
here is my opinion about who they should draft with their hopefully top ten pick. i think the need to pick someone that isnt hurt, or does ped’s. if they do that, that is an improvement
I forgot the Fla Gator LB Morrison. If his knee stays healthy he’s a ZT balls to the walls type.
I like him
He seems a bit undersized 6-1 230 and at the moment he’s a 5-6 rd prospect. Right where Zach was taken. LOL
At the moment Ragland is the top ILB prospect and fits a need of ours and is in our range. Obviously he’s still just a prospect but at 6-2 250+ he fits the bill. He has to be viewed as a 3-down player to take that high though.
ffr
You’re finally beginning to understand, grasshopper. 🐛
offering an opinion is wonderful. but only talking about the ones you are right on, and for that matter most would still say you arent right is lame. like i said, no one ever says ‘well i thought that guy would be great but i was wrong he sucks’ they just want to talk about the one time in 2,576,675 they got something right. just lame is all
Lions up 21-3 @ Nawlens.
How soon can we give the Saints two 1st round picks for Payton? 😉
Never gonna happen
getterdone says:
December 21, 2015 at 9:40 pm
I forgot the Fla Gator LB Morrison. If his knee stays healthy he’s a ZT balls to the walls type.
no..no….no…NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO. no more ‘if healthy’ guys.
True we don’t need injury questions
The injury was in 2014, not this year. He’s kickin ass this year after just a 6mo recovery from a knee tear. You’d be hard pressed to find any worthy NFL draft prospect that hasn’t suffered an injury at some point in his college career.
Randy says:
December 21, 2015 at 9:40 pm
ffr
You’re finally beginning to understand, grasshopper. 🐛
have no idea what this means but just glad to be grasshopper and not a fucking snake anymore.
son,
i dont care if they draft a long snapper first, as long as he doesnt have injury issues
See my reply above grasshopper.
son,
i think they need to do their homework and draft someone who has never even had cold. this shit is old drafting players that sit out the whole year cause of some injury
ffr,
Not sure what planet you’re from. Rubbing your buddy’s nose in it is part of male bonding on this world. Lol
Right
One of many things I will never understand.
Ok rob let’s take the “I told you so’s” out of sports talk and bullshitting with friends. I’ll talk about stuff if you approve my way of talking about it.
If they aren’t sure they can trust Albert’s health, LT might need to be the pick. If they are gonna roll with Albert, then I’d go edge rusher. We have nothing at LT w/o Albert.
Saints score 3 times on final drive of the half & all 3 times called back by penalty….LOL @ refs.
Instead of 21-10, it’s still 21-3 halftime.
Despite all the rule changes, this is a somewhat violent games. Players get hurt. Every. Single. Week. You can have the most unscathed player out there and his career can be over the next day.
That’s true and why we should mitigate that by taking guys who are healthy and already damaged goods
*not already
Besides I’m very rarely wrong, just sayin’ lol
herdfan says:
December 21, 2015 at 9:57 pm
One of many things I will never understand.
you cant cause you are not an ass. last i checked i have been a man my whole life (i admit a questionable period in the 90’s with high heels and nylons) but i guess i dont get it either. i never want to rub a ‘buddy’ of mines face. i always thought it took the bigger man to win gracefully.
son of a son of a shula says:
December 21, 2015 at 9:55 pm
Ok rob let’s take the “I told you so’s” out of sports talk and bullshitting with friends. I’ll talk about stuff if you approve my way of talking about it.
not sure why i need to approve your way of talking about it. besides i have a hard enough time on my own.
I want a physical presence on defense and at LB. I really think we lack that in the middle. I felt Misi did it pretty well last year but he had a hard time staying healthy inside. He moved back to SOLB this year and he had a relatively healthy season. I really think Sheppard is a weak link and Jenkins on a high ankle sprain wasn’t good enough. Hewitt is still a bit raw and may never be a starter but he could be a good STs/nickel/backup LB. We need tougher LBs as well as more athleticism.
I would love to get the ND linebacker
Smith will likely go before 10 and he would be really good but many scouts seem him as an OLB. Ragland is the big inside thumper with solid range. He plays physical and violent and shows good instincts. He has a big lower body to anchor inside. Jack is also an OLB prospect. All of them would be good additions and figure it out in camp. We will have a shot at one of them.
But LB doesn’t have to be addressed in the 1st rd either. Unfortunately OT might be and DE/OLB edge rusher is a likely priority.
son,
can i ask you what that is like. i mean to be ‘rarely wrong’. i often wonder how it would feel to be wrong. so just wondering how one feels when they are
It’s not fun but I can handle it
ffr,
You’re kidding, right? 90% of what goes on here is guys busting each other’s balls. 10% is hating on the OL.
son of a son of a shula says:
December 21, 2015 at 10:02 pm (Edit)
That’s true and why we should mitigate that by taking guys who are healthy and already damaged goods
Reply
son of a son of a shula says:
December 21, 2015 at 10:03 pm (Edit)
*not already
I totally understand that. But my point is you can’t predict what’s going to happen to any of these players. Some are great in college and are a total waste in the NFL. Some are great and get injured and are never the same. More and more I think it’s all dumb luck.
son of a son of a shula says:
December 21, 2015 at 10:07 pm
I would love to get the ND linebacker
ugggg, i dont want to have to pull for a ND player. but if he is healthy i will
He’s healthy and they have a good and healthy left tackle too. Either eoild be a good pick.
Randy, agreed on Albert. I’d seriously consider Mich St. Jack Conklin if we go that route.
If Albert stays 1 more year I’d still groom his replacement with a mid- later round guy like Wisconsin’s Tyler Martz or Texas Tech Le’Raven Clark.
Randy says:
December 21, 2015 at 10:11 pm
ffr,
You’re kidding, right? 90% of what goes on here is guys busting each other’s balls. 10% is hating on the OL.
lmfao. really. just so i got this right. i am busting on son, about never saying when he is wrong and then you are asking me if i dont get busting balls is what happens here. just want to make sure i got that right.
son,
i just said i would hate a ND player now you tell me there is a chance of one out of two. well go fuck yourself you big ignoranus. lol
I thought we were busting balls and then you go and tell the real truth about me. Thanks a lot.
here is what is going to be boring for you draft boys. when it comes to the draft no matter what the fins do, and yeah even qb, no one can really bitch. they suck so bad that any position they draft no one can say they dont need help at
This is true
Except for Suh
I think we need to see Albert next year before we start thinking about his long-term status. He did come off an ACL last year and pushed to play this year. He had ups and downs and some other minor injuries. If he can’t get himself back to being durable and playing well in 2016 then he’ll be gone in 2017. James will be back, do we go 1st rd for a OT this offseason? I say address it but it doesn’t have to be 1st rd.
It depends where we pick. If we’re top 10 and the ND tackle is there I’d probably take him. But I wouldn’t reach for one.
I’m so sold on Stanley. Other LT’s in the 1st that look as good or better.
^not so sold ^ lol
Ok, that’s what I mentioned above…FIRST!. 😉
lol @ son.
the only time i am not busting balls on here is when i am talking to mike e. i dont want that hand anywhere around me when busting balls.
Tim, depending on what type of defense we employ, have you took a look at LB Eric Striker from the Sooners. He’d be like having 2 Reshad Jones’s out there. He’s everywhere & makes plays. Can be had in late 3rd maybe 4th round. He’s also from Florida originally.
Got to love the name too.
He’s a Hewitt type but maybe better. If he runs a good 40 maybe a safety like Jones.
I like playmakers with speed and can cause trouble for QB’s in this passing league.
son of a son of a shula says:
December 21, 2015 at 10:24 pm
This is true
Except for Suh
come on, that is a lame attempt to get me to bust on the sue signing. besides i said position not player. you are way better at engaging in pot stirring then that
ok once again a fun night. but i am out, besides my jaw is tired cause of randy. night all
That little thing
GD, speed is always good. But you have to be physical too. Some of these smaller defenders get washed away. Some of them make it too. 1st rd I always want a guy who fits most criteria, not a maybe he can over come it guy.
He’s not a 1st rounder Tim. We need a lot of help in many areas.
I know, just focusing on the first two picks more right now. Gotta land a couple of good players and not rehabbing developmental types.
lol…schwetty balls on SNL. Always cracks me up!
One of the best skits ever, I always laugh too.
Jeremiah Wagglenose would be a good mid to late rd guard prospect. Some scouts say he could start right away and possibly set the league on fire.
Always wear your draft goggles.
I hope our first 2 picks are home runs, I also hope we can trade down or trade a player and possibly pick up another early pick.
dolphins logo on Browns helmet…. 😦
https://www.google.com/search?q=dolphins+logo+on+browns+helmet&espv=2&biw=1025&bih=711&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiFyYO_5e7JAhVC6CYKHfmoACgQ_AUIBigB&dpr=0.9#imgrc=-JL7ybKOKGiYvM%3A
GAMES OVER!
no use picking scores for meaningless games the we are just going to lose
In order to salvage the season and not break our 100 game streak
I am doing something different this year. We’ll call it
CHOSE YOUR COACH
We can go right through the Superbowl. You can also make 2 changes up till the last day/or if a new hire is imminent before the final gun…
Here is how it works
************FU’S GUY***************ROSS’ GUY*************
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Howie—Don Shula————Susie Kolber
GO PHINS!
This game MIGHT be easier if we knew who was going to be running this team at that point, but I’ll play:
Trypod——> Sean Payton——>John Smith
Piggy —————-Kolber——————-a kiss
What a crazy season all around
We have a long list of problems but….
Looking at the current draft positions of the bottom twenty
You have to get all the way to number twenty
To find the only team with a winning record
And that’s only at 9-5
Not sure I can remember when or if that has happend before ?
I think the NFL has gottten what they wanted; they put such a premium on the QB position that if you don’t have one of the elite qbs it makes it hard to be more than average. In the past you could have a middle-of-the-road offense but a top defense and you could be competitive, but aggressive defenses have been penalized to the point where there really isn’t a stand-out unit anymore- they’re all kinda vanilla.
* i had an extra ‘t’ I wasn’t using^
Yeah
I agree
I think the NFL really designed this sort of competition
If you have an elite QB, you are a playoff team
anything else is sort of….meh
People are going to mention Seattle or Arizona
but I think we have all underestimated Wilson and Palmer is playing lights out
I think Philbin in some ways had the right idea – he just may have taken it too far, had shitty coordinators and did not have the right QB…or at least his QB was not ready. he was just pretty bad in executing his idea
HAS ROSS SOLD THE TEAM, YET?? –IF NOT, all this speculation about possible head coaches and draft choices seems a bit irrelevant. The Ross/T-Baum/King Carl team will continue to make horrible choices until hell freezes over. I have “ZERO” confidence in Steve Ross’s ability to select the right people to run the Miami franchise.
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MY BEST ALLY in this cause is Father Time. I’ve outlived both the Robbie Era and Huizenga’s Ownership Era (BOTH of which were vastly superior to the current “DOOFUS BRIGADE.”) –With a little luck, I’ll outlive the man who was outbid for the Jets franchise by Woody Johnson, the one and only “Little Stevie Ross!”
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ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS A NEW OWNER!!!!!!!!
With the Dolphins season down the drain, I’ve now turned my attention to the NBA. The Knicks are a much more enjoyable watch than the Dolphins, even at their worst. They lost to the Magic last night, but they’re a competitive team, and they at least show potential, something the Dolphins don’t’ show. We got worse, and are now in worse cap shape than previous years. It’s going to take a little magic to fix this franchise. It’s very depressing. If we keep Tannenbaum, I have little faith that he can engineer a winning team for us here in MIA. At least there’s baseball, and now basketball.
I going to reserve judgment on Tannebaum for the offseason (if we keep him)
I want to see that he can not spend $$$ this offseason and bring in talent (through the draft) or through low priced guys
You’re kinder than I am. His track record with the Jets sucked, and bringing Suh here for over $100M was a bad move. I have little confidence in him.
Agreed Mike.
My son saw the new Star Wars movie, he said it fantastic. I’m really looking forward to seeing it now. Ah, who am I kidding, I was looking forward to it anyway.
Try, 18 teams have losing records and 3 are .500. That seems like a lot to me.
According to the MH, we’re picking 7th right now, and we have a shot at top5. I have no problem continuing to lose and go into the top 5.
Colts and Patriots
That’s the AFC championship last year
I know the colts are not good this year
but we might lose both games
its embarrassing for me to go 0-6 in the division though
Mike E. says:
December 22, 2015 at 9:02 am (Edit)
You’re kinder than I am. His track record with the Jets sucked, and bringing Suh here for over $100M was a bad move. I have little confidence in him.
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I love Suh and I think he has played well for us
I just think the defense as a whole is bad
but I also think Tannebaum spending that $ on Suh may have been a mistake (in retrospect)
I do think Suh is going to be good for us for years
He was actually part of the jests teams that got them to AFC Championhsip 2 years in a row
but that said, I remember those teams makings a lot of bad signings
and it obviously caught up with them fast
I don’t trust Tannebaum in charge like most people here
But I just want to see if he can take a different approach given the circumstances
Personally I think spending big FA $ on 1 defensive player, 1 OL (a LT) and your QB can work well and the cap seems set up or that sort of spending. But its just theory and it appears in practice that the good teams really rely on the draft.
Wow the draft order changed quite a bit from yesterday. How did we go from 10 to 7 based on one MNF game?
Both the Saints and Lions are now 5-9
So I’m guessing we jumped ahead of Lions based on strength of schedule
and somehow maybe the same with the Saints
Yeah strength of schedule plays a roll in it too but how did we move up 3 spots from yesterday?
Piggy
I think we’d be better off spending big FA $$$ on a pass rusher, a DE, or LB, rather than a DT. Suh might be great, but he doesn’t impact the game like a pass rushing DE or LB.
He can if you have the edge guys taking advantage of his inside pressure. We get pressure at times but we allow receivers to get wide open too often so we can’t close the deal.
I agree
Really he makes the edge guys better
I would not spent big $ on a lb
I would only spend big $ at 3 spots
De,DT or CB
Unless a guy is Ed reed or Ray Lewis sort of elite
I might not spend big $ for most dts
But I do think Suh is blue chip
Like Tim said
We allow guys to get open
Eventual the little breakdowns cusse the D to fall apart
And we end up sucking everywhere
But you can see flashes of the impact Suh has
And it’s not like any other players
Our lbs just suck the big one and the secondary is not so good either
I was begging for this team to draft a lb last offseason
I also was in favor of taking a CB early
But we did not
I really think, more than anything else
That hurt our defense
You can’t really just have a good DL and are shad Jones
Tim
It’s a very fluid situation, the SOS will be changing until the end of the season
The new NFL draft order following this weekend’s games is as follows:
1.Tennessee 3-11
2.Cleveland 3-11
3.Baltimore 4-10
4.San Diego 4-10
5.Dallas 4-10
6.San Francisco 4-10
7.Miami 5-9
8.Jacksonville 5-9
9.New Orleans 5-9
10.Chicago 5-9
11.Detroit 5-9
12.Tampa Bay 6-8
13.New York Giants 6-8
14.Oakland 6-8
15.Philadelphia 6-8
16.Buffalo 6-8
17.Indianapolis 6-8
18.St. Louis 6-8
19.Atlanta 7-7
20.New York Jets 9-5
Four teams at 4-10.
Five teams at 5-9.
Seven teams at 6-8.
Almost makes you wish the Pats have something to play for by the time they meet us.
Seems like a lot right?
For sure — and means that each of the next two games mean a whole lot in the draft order for those teams next year…..and we are one of them.
Tim
LOL – Vernon has been putting plenty of pressure, but it hasn’t been enough. We need 2 guys from the outside bringing pressure. We still get run on even with Suh in the lineup, so I don’t really see how much of an impact he’s had here. I know you’re going to say LB’s, which is fine, but Suh eating all that cap space is not money well spent IMO
I used plural with the edge guys meaning two. Yes Vernon get’s pressure but does not close the deal enough. The QB still gets the ball off because our coverage stinks. Receivers are wide open now, it’s been really bad.
In theory
We were designed with 3 guys
Wake, Vernon and Jordan
It’s really amazing how it worked out
Everything went wrong
Jordan is a fuckface
Wake blew his Achilles
Vernon gets a penalty every week…lol
And when you factor in expections from Shelby and Fede
We were overloaded at the edge
But it came to pieces and now you are counting on the Shelbys and signing of coples
Even with all those messes the DL is still the most talented unit on D
The plan at LB was a bad plan before the season even started
There was a lack of talent there when the 53 was set
DB sort of came to pieces during the season too with grimes decline
But I think they also misplaced faith in a couple of young guys
Losing Delmas again right from the get go was an underrated blow as well.
According to pro-football-reference.com we’re drafting at #8. I’d trust that site over the MH
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25422740/nfl-draft-updated-draft-order-through-week-15
Sometimes we just play such a soft zone
It looks easy for qbs to pick apart
It has been a very questionable scheme for years
It looked like it changed a little in the first few weeks after Campbell took over
But now it looks the same to me
If we are picking between 5-8 we can probably get a real impact defensive player there
Or a very good LT (not by preference but an option)
Just adding a couple of piece around Suh might make our defensive very good
I know dit about the talent………some nice CB or DE prospects must be there though.
OK, so the MH got one right for a change
If we come out in the final game of the season flat
The Patriots will beat us by 40 points
Does it even matter?
For prides sake
Except for last year, I don’t remember the Detroit Lions defense being so good with Suh.
They had a few bad years before Caldwell
But he was always good
He may have been good, but he never put them over the top. He didn’t do it here either.
This is how 2015 went to the Dolphins
Mike E, no player can take a mediocre or bad team over the top.
Exactly
But an elite player can help make a team elite
You need players like Suh to contend (I can say the same for watt)
But as it turns out we are far from contending
We fucked up this offseason and let the holes remain holes
And then did not anticipate the new holes
Oh, only the QB can do that, right?
Mike E. says:
December 22, 2015 at 10:48 am (Edit)
He may have been good, but he never put them over the top. He didn’t do it here either.
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He did though
Last year
and he was clearly their best D player
And that’s the thing
It’s like balancing on the ledge
You can be dominant with Suh
But not if you have so many holes
Than you just fall of the ledge
Piggy, you would hope pride would be there but the way this season has gone, I think everyone is running on fumes and just wants the season to end.
I don’t blame guys if they pick it in
But I imagine fans will be all over it if we get another final game effort like Wallace gave last year
No outright quitting on the field is always lame. I’m talking lacking that extra inner motivation.
Stanger
It’s not as deep as pass rusher as the draft has been
I hear good things about a bosa and Buckner (who is huge)
And at DB o think heargraves and Ramsey are the top Dbs
And at lb the notre same lb
So there are at least 5 players that are really being talked up defensively
I know I like Ramsey a lot
And heargraves too
But I haven’t seen enough of them
There Are probably going to be good DEs in the 2nd and 3rd round though
Maybe better than Vernon (former 3rd) was for us