I hope everyone had a great Christmas and had lots of good times with friends and family. Or at least had some good liquor to get through it. If the latter is the case I hope you’ve still got some at hand. It’s game day and usually that calls for some heavy drinking to numb the senses to watch as the Dolphins play their brand of football.
Let’s Go Dolphins.
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son,
speaking of hand, dont pinch my shoulder but you can put your hands on them.
Lol I fixed it but I meant to say punched. Fn pinched sheesh
son of a son of a shula says:
December 28, 2015 at 10:03 pm
Lol I fixed it but I meant to say punched. Fn pinched sheesh
ok well now i am out, i am ok with a pinch but no punching, that rough stuff hurts.
So,
McCarron is playing nice, within himself. Good coaching, play calls catching Broncs D off guard.
Son ^
But here comes the Donkey’s. Cincy, primarily Marvin Lewis & Dalton are known to blow big primetime & playoff games
so fuckden just said denver is number one against the run and number one against the pass, very few defenses are number one in all three of the categories. what a fucking idiot
wow, third and long and you run a draw cause you can trust your defense and not put your qb in a bad situation. i wonder what that is like
Denver is taking over
Run
Pass
Overall
There are three categories
son,
why did you call the denver qb some slang of tanny? i really know nothing about the guy or where he came from.
He’s playing just like him. It looks like it to me, I feel like I’m watching our offense.
son of a son of a shula says:
December 28, 2015 at 10:17 pm
Run
Pass
Overall
There are three categories
ok if that is what he meant i stand corrected but he is still an idiot. i am just a bigger one.
Wow that was pretty egregious but alas they got it right
son of a son of a shula says:
December 28, 2015 at 10:21 pm
He’s playing just like him. It looks like it to me, I feel like I’m watching our offense.
ok fair enough. the only difference is tanny has been doing it for four years and they have a great defense. so they dont have to rely on him
ok coming up what i kind of think the nhl got right. overtime and 3 on 3. it does make for exciting hockey
Before all is said and done, I want to see Tannehill in an offense where we run 30 times most of the time, use less shotgun, more play-action, bootlegs, waggles and roll-outs, and then determine where he is as a QB. He’s not a 40 time shotgun passer at least not with this O-line.
I hope we find a HC who understands that. Dan Campbell likely does but he won’t get that chance for PR reasons. He was dealt an impossible situation. I actually would like him back with better coordinators like GD has said. I think he could lead this team.
If that leads to more catchable balls late in the game then I’m all for it
tim
i kind of feel the same about tanny, it maybe just another excuse for him, that i dont know. but i dont think he has been coached to his strengths. i hope that is the case, get a coach in here that coaches and calls a game to what he does best. if not they are right back to finding a qb. more of the same ole same ole
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Everyone who wanted trade for A.J. McCarron in the first half still feel the same? Anyone?
son of a son of a shula says:
December 28, 2015 at 10:34 pm
If that leads to more catchable balls late in the game then I’m all for it
nope, at least for me when i watch a game. how about early in a game. so we watch a game and it is done in the first half. no more late 4th qtr nail biters. just put the game away early. let my heart rest some.
You know what might lead to some more catchable balls late in the game – pass protection or at least knowing the snap count.
Yeah who needs accuracy
Son, Tanny balls are catchable in practice, yet when there’s problems in games it’s a collective bad execution from OL, receivers, & then Tanny. not all the time but most of the time as I watch the game.
Good coaching, play calling, & an improved OL can fix that to a better more tolerable degree.
We just have to score more we rarely gave our d any kind of lead. Always left the run option open to teams.
It is a 2 way street. Our D often dug holes that were too big for our offense to overcome. When we are down 2-3 scores early and we have to throw it 40 plus times a game with our OL it is hard to overcome. And yes our O didn’t help the D with a lot of short series. The bottom line is we are just not a very good team on both sides of the ball and we need help just about every where.
Our o never got us into a shootout its ok to give up 30 or 35 if you go and score 38 once in a while. All the playoff teams have some wins like that.
It is hard to score a lot of points when the D keeps letting the other team convert on 3rd and long repeatedly. It’s a 2 way street. Both O and D were not good. We are not that good. I think we all and myself included drunk the kool aid and thought there was talent on this team. In retrospect the talent level on this team at many positions is seriously lacking.
ken
know what else would not lead to catchables late in the game. stopping the other team and winning the game before it is left to a questionable qb. running the ball, calling a game right. a defense that can stop someone.
That sounds good when you say it fast but the reality is that most games are won in the fourth quarter. That’s how you become a playoff team.
That and not constantly starting off trailing. The defense sucked this year as well. 6 times 30 or more PA and just lousy complimentary football. Offense scores, let’s give it right back. Big stop, we punt. Bad season for the team. It was worse than the past 2 seasons at 8-8 with collapses at the end, this one blew up during takeoff.
son of a son of a shula says:
December 28, 2015 at 10:41 pm
We just have to score more we rarely gave our d any kind of lead. Always left the run option open to teams.
lol, so basically you are saying they suck. yep i agree. just pick your poison
Out of the gate we all saw there was something not right with this team. We had that 2 game blast and then back to who they really were. It’s hard to change on the fly with so much change. No doubt players lost confidence. It’s human nature.
son of a son of a shula says:
December 28, 2015 at 10:44 pm
That sounds good when you say it fast but the reality is that most games are won in the fourth quarter. That’s how you become a playoff team.
i know, but fuck you for shitting on my dream. hey i also think i am going to win the lotto one day
SHANK
That’s why you go for the TD, you were moving the ball at will still had :50 sec….scared coaching. So what if you turned it over. Still go to OT anyways.
Tomorrow I intend to post how much better Brock Osweiler is than Tanny
😛
Just kidding humans settle down
I can’t blame the defense for our offensive woes
We aren’t a good defense statistically
And we are in the bottom half of scoring defense
Obviously both sides of the ball are bad
But I do think scoring 19 is not too much to ask the offense
Absolutely!!! Maybe some decent interior OL other than orange cones would be good. LOL
My biggest worry about Tannehill is that the constant issues have given him bad habits that might be hard to break. With bad pass protection, he has had to take sacks for so long, can he learn dump offs better? He sucks at dumping the ball off. He has very poor ability to elude at the moment. Can this be fixed or will old issues keep cropping up? Will him and his receivers ever get on track in the RZ?. Also, will we ever get a healthy starting front five?
I think it’s very possible that he might permanently have a version of Carr Syndrome. A new coach may want to start with someone new. This stuff happens when new regimes come in. I would like to see a run based offense no matter who snaps the ball. Any young QB needs a damn running game.
New Age
I share your fears with Tannehill. I do sometimes wonder if he’s developed some bad habits that will either be tough to break, or worse, impossible. The most important thing to do next year is get capable people in charge, and a HC and staff that are willing to work with Tannehill, and have a plan on how to make him a franchise QB with their offense.
New Age, I think that’s the case with Tannehill this year but not something he can’t overcome with better support around him. And when I say that I’m not saying all pro talent all around him, but how about a competent group in front of him. I have no doubt he’s lost confidence, not just in his own game but the entire offense.
As for dumping the ball off, who’s he’s suppose to dump the ball off too when everyone is spread wide?
I think he does seem slow to react to pressure lately, but I don’t think that was always the case. He shouldn’t be under such constant duress either, but he does seem like a deer frozen in the headlights sometimes.
I think anyone would be like that when there are 2 and 3 defenders in the pocket almost every time. We are really bad in pass pro. But our system doesn’t help the OL or RT with the lack of commitment in the running game.
Exactly, the empty backfield formations don’t work unless you got solid blocking with your front 5 and/or TE’s in like Kubiack used last nite.
Plus Kubiack uses a lot of effective zone runs, but again, the blockers seem to know their assignments.
The other night Minny was using 3 TE’s in for max protect & so AP could get some seal offs.
We can’t even dress 3 TE’s let alone have them in the same formation.
While @ GB, Philbin saw them have as many as 5 TE’s on the final roster. Yet he gets here and never did that. So he never really brought the PAckers offensive system with him.
Instead he got excited that he was a HC in the NFL & was smart enough to go all Frank Sinatra on Miami.
Tim
You don’t have to tell me bro. We go five wide so often, which is laughable when that leaves a vulnerable O-line to block 5-7 guys at any given time. You’d think we’d make it easier with 2 TE’s, or a TE and FB to help block. Nope! Just leave it to the incompetent 5, and let the defense kill the QB
LOL @ the incompetent 5
Teams keep bringing what works at you time & time again. And upcoming tea,s will copy cat that until you can show you can stop it.
Between our HC, OC, & OL coach, the Phins have yet to come up with a way to scheme around constant jail break pass rushes for all 4 years that Tanny / Philbin era has been here.
It’s maddening & 1 of the #1 questions I ask if I’m interviewing HC candidates.
Question #2 is what can we do with this Defense, & do we go 3-4?
Yeah, I like the 4-3 better but I don’t know if we have the personnel for it.
I think the fears about Tannehill becoming shell- shocked are valid, but I also think he doesn’t make good decisions at critical times. He makes plays here and there but rarely makes them when they count (not that he’s had that many opportunities this season with the way some of our losses have gone). I like him, and I hope that he becomes the QB we all hope he can be , but I’m just not sure he can do it.
The only way to find out is to get a solid staff in here, and then we’ll finally find out if he can be the guy.
I think we’re also asking RT to make plays at critical times when the pass pro is at its worst at critical times. That’s been my beef with the Tanny bashing. As if he’s suppose to overcome that and we forget about how bad the protection is. It doesn’t make sense. We’ve all seen it, it’s like watching the same game over and over.
Piggy above said he can’t blame our offensive woes on the defense.
Partly true in a sense, but they also are intertwined. If the woeful defense gives up big plays, long time consuming drives, & digs a point hole early then the offense starts getting knocked off their game plan, what lil one we seem to have…lol
Also consequently, many times a poor offense with lots of 3 & outs can begin to tire a defense when the opposing offense wisely runs at them when on top with a lead.
That’s the complimentary football part of the game we suck at.
It’s gotten to the point where we can’t even discuss the issues on offense without it sounding like we’re defending Tannehill. When I watch the games I have found it easy to predict the impending doom by saying to myself here we go, we’ll go empty backfield here, not protect it and take a sack. Bingo! Geez come on Tanny, just get rid of the ball and flip it somewhere. Even if it gets picked off it would be better than a sack. LOL
Tim, i doubt we ever find a offensive coord that runs it 30+ times a game. I think we should see at least 20+ for sure, if we want balance, but very uncommon to run it that much and thats any team in the NFL. Also if you are wanting that, then we for sure need to push to draft a guy like Derek Henry who can be a solid workhorse back to pair with Ajayai (and yes i understand he is also one of those types as well).
It’s not just about running it 30x a game. As I mentioned below. To me it’s about when and how to call runs, the formations, the right chess match down & distance calls which is sorely distorted in the offense installed by Phil/Sherm, then in Lazor whom Philbin liked cause it was similar with more passing.
Tim,
The play calling is such an atrocious head scratcher on those critical down & distance plays. They most always play right into the hands & teeth of the defense who’s seen it before on all of our game tape….SMH!
D
It’s great to have the flexibility to be able to run the ball effectively 25-20 times a game, but not necessarily do it every week. I think if you play a team that defends poorly against the pass, then you run some, and pass some too, but it doesn’t mean you have to throw 40 times a game. Just like if you play a weak run defense, it doesn’t mean you run 40 times either. Predictability is bad unless you can execute well all the time.
I’d love to have the confidence that on a 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2, that we could either run or pass and get the first down.
Hard to run on 3rd & 2 with an empty backfield. Nothing screams ‘come n get me’ more than that dumb formation in that down & distance sit.
I didn’t mean with the current crap offense, I mean next year. 🙂
Mike,
I see it as a combination of both; it’s not just Tannehill and it’s not just the OL.
That’s pretty much how most of us who defend Tannehill feel. He’s not w/o blame, but it’s hard to rise above the ineffectiveness in so many places.
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Also looks like the comments about Tanny are still right where they were. You guys still dont want to see his flaws and want to say this year was just a bad one for him because of this or that. You put Tanny behind a better OL, in a better offensive scheme and he would have performed better for sure, but he would have still had the flaws a lot of us have pointed out to you guys. He still would have been off target (because many time he was without any pressure) he still would have had bad pocket presence (since many time he had the capabilities of moving out of the pressure). He still would have made bad reads, because he was getting time to make them this year as well. All things pointed out cannot be attributed to the WR’s, the OL, the play calls, the defense, etc etc. There was more wrong with his play than JUST what was going on around him.
Those claiming shell shock may have a point. I hadn’t really considered it but maybe he is damaged good by this point and he will never settle in confidence. We DO need to go out and do whatever we can to make his job easier, because truthfully even if we have to bring someone new in year after next, we need better around them as well. So a must is to fix our interior OL, Alex Boone maybe? We do need to address the defense. We do, though, need to expect more from Tanny than he delivered this year. Im not seeing how you guys cant see that, and cant see that he showed some very worrisome decline in areas that were strong and no real progress in ones that we need him to, so that he, and we can get to the next level.
Glad to have your expert advice, sorry we got our heads so far up Tanny’s a** that we can’t see flaws & just blame it on a bad year….lol 🙄
Tanny is here next year. I doubt we can trade him right now for any type of valuable pick. Debating tanny is moot at this point. He is what he is and he is our QB next year.
Good post D. We really have way too many holes to fix in one year. You can’t expect to find starters in FA and the draft for all of the positions we need upgrading.
It can turn around in one year. Teams do it every year. We don’t need stars at every position, just better.
You also continue to leave out that the pass pro is not just bad, it’s atrocious. It’s not easy to progress and improve your game when the protection isn’t there most of the time. That’s a critical flaw in your argument.
One of our top priorities for a HC has to be can he out coach the other coaches in AFC east. Tall order.
I’ll agree with that, but how do ya judge that until the bullets start flying…every candidate will say I can….lol
So to me it’s more like, looking at how they game plan, do they show good adjustments in game, what is their coaching identity, are they flexible, are they hungry, do they have a plan just looking over our current roster. etc etc.
Tim,
I think that the D getting tired out is true at times, but there have been too many times this season we have gotten gashed coming out of the gate. We’re not last in the NFL against the run simply because we’re tired. This team has been an utter disappointment in all aspects from the first game of the year until the last.
we have big voids in our LBs and secondary positions. I don’t think we’re terrible on defense we just need 4-5 new starters 🙂
I don’t think I said anything to the contrary. I think the defense has been bad this year right from the get go.
D, it’s not necessarily about running it exactly 30 times but how you use the running game to set up passing plays. Also lining up under center opens up the playbook where shotgun limits what you’re going to do and the defense knows it. That said, here’s a list of teams rushing attempts this season. I’d like to see us in the top 10 area not last. I also admit that’s my personnel preference to establish a running game and run that type of offense.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-attempts-per-game
I know what its about Tim, i know the strategy of establishing the run game so it opens up the playbook, makes other plays more successful, i was more having issue with the number you chose because i think its a little high to expect that much. Thats your old school ground and pound scheme, and its possible the guy we get takes us back to that, but i think its more likely in the modern NFL that we have a guy who balances things, but works in more passing plays off those setup runs, vs the opposite. I think you still find yourself in a 1/2 pass offense, just not the 80% pass 20% run we did.
I admit I hate the new NFL and the way offenses are run and how defenses have to walk on egg shells. But some teams defy it and still play a physical brand of football. If you’re going to run the system we run, you better have a top flight pass pro OL which is really hard to put together in a couple of years.
Mike E. says:
December 29, 2015 at 10:15 am
D
It’s great to have the flexibility to be able to run the ball effectively 25-20 times a game, but not necessarily do it every week. I think if you play a team that defends poorly against the pass, then you run some, and pass some too, but it doesn’t mean you have to throw 40 times a game. Just like if you play a weak run defense, it doesn’t mean you run 40 times either. Predictability is bad unless you can execute well all the time.
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Trust me i am in no way a fan of the play calling as it was, or the HUGE disparity between the pass vs run. Made NO sense, especially when Miller has shown that when given a number of opportunities will have a few big chunk yardage runs. I was just pointing out to Tim, who said we needed to run it 30+ times a game, that that was an improbability and pretty much imbalance on the other side of the euqtion. We need to balance our offense out a good bit, and get another RB who can share the load. That guy isnt Damian Williams, and unless we somehow re-sign Miller, its means we need another stud to pair with Ajayai. I think we should easily be in the 20-25 runs a game range.
Damian Williams is a very good receiving back and that’s it. He’s not an instinctive runner and he’s not good on kick returns.
D
It’s impossible to say that Tannehill would have had the same problems with better protection and a more balanced scheme. You can speculate, which is fine, but I don’t buy it.
It’s a debate where one side always leaves the protection out of it and you can’t do that.
GDP,
it’s easy. You look at their record against the pats. So for example I would shy away from someone like kubiak. He got his ass kicked by belicheat every time his houston teams played the pats up in NE. Although he did beat them this year in denver.
Joking aside I agree with what you said. We need a real good X and O guy. That’s why I would prefer whomever we get as coach to call the plays (either defense or offense) himself. Make sure one side of the ball is top 10.
I agree….Mike Shula 😀
maybe shula. I also like hue jackson. Darrell Bevel. Sean payton. chuck Pagano. I’m also starting to warm up to Mike Smith, although I didn’t like his defenses the last few years in Atlanta,
why are we behind Jax in draft when they beat us in the head-to-head?
strength of schedule
We’re not behind Jax.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000551301/article/2016-nfl-draft-order-and-needs-for-every-team
Mike E. says:
December 29, 2015 at 10:28 am
D
It’s impossible to say that Tannehill would have had the same problems with better protection and a more balanced scheme. You can speculate, which is fine, but I don’t buy it.
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Can say it just as easily as you saying he wouldn’t have.Just as speculative. I saw plenty of time he failed on his own, things that were personal skills and he failed at them. I also DID say he would have performed better under better conditions, i just said he also would have had some of the same failures under better conditions, because part of what i saw in him that was off, was just the shit going on around him.
In general I think tanny is pretty accurate when he has time in the pocket.
Tanny needs one of those buzzers that sparano used to have in practice. If you look at the top QBs right now they usually get rid of the ball in 2.5-3 seconds max.
The scheme we run has to allow for that. Right now it seems like most of our routes take longer than that to develop.
Our offense isn’t designed well.
Then they definitely missed the mark on what they claimed to be installing. They claims to be installing quick passes, much the same as the offense that the Giants run. Thats truly how our offense is designed. Its why they havent devoted more to the OL because in a true up tempo, WCO, ball would be out in 2. On thing i totally agree with Tim about is the lack of identity in the offense. Half the shit seems like we are running one style, half of it looks like we are running something different, and NONE of the personnel seem to really know exactly what we are.
getterdone says:
December 29, 2015 at 10:22 am
Glad to have your expert advice, sorry we got our heads so far up Tanny’s a** that we can’t see flaws & just blame it on a bad year….lol 🙄
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Sorry i dont just roll over and take your “expert advice”. You havent called him out on any flaws yet, so at least on one side im seeing objectivity.
BTW how does it smell up there, from some of your opinions im guessing roses and cotton candy.
LOL, touche’, but yes I’ve faulted Tanny along the way. I just don’t throw all the team garbage in his basket is all.
Then whats your beef with me, im not saying its all in his basket either, and i think if you guys stopped and read some of the rest of us and what we are saying, you would see almost everyone is saying same deal. From my perspective i have seen MUCH more objectivity out of those labeled Tanny bashers.
Was so pissed they didnt include that in the top plays of the year segment from last nights game. Easily the best catch of any receiver this year. OBJ gained fame from his, total bias.
Was a sweet grab. Demaryius Thomas made a sweet one hander last night too, with Pac Man pulling his other arm away on a crucial game saving 3rd down.
D, objectivity is subjective when discussing something that isn’t totally factual. 😉
The Dolphins have a vaunted defensive front that should be able to stuff the run, yet week after week, that group consistently gets pushed off the ball and can’t get stops.
The Dolphins allowed the Colts to rush for 100 yards on 23 carries (4.3 yards per attempt) and only managed to tally two sacks of Colts quarterbacks Charlie Whitehurst and Matt Hasselbeck.
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Pretty sad knowing the Colts had to rely on running with a gimpy 40yo QB, & then couldn’t get to, rattle or confuse Charlie Freakin Whitehurst who’s never won a game….smh.
Then ask Tanny to overcome all that shit with an OL that can’t slow a pass rush/blitz, let alone actually block or get the snap counts right.
Like sending 1 guy into a angry gun toting gang fight with a fly swatter. ‘You guys stopit’, swat swat, BANG!
D
My speculation is that he wouldn’t be as bad as he was this year, and would have improved goes from his history of doing that each and every year the last 3 years. I can’t guarantee that he would have done better with better coaching, scheme, and of course a better O-line, but it’s reasonable to think he would have. There was no good reason before the season to expect him to regress. That’s where I’m at.
Im not completely off where you are at, as it does stand to reason. What i saw though with my own eyes says he didnt play as well and some of the things do lay firmly on his shoulders. Im not putting the offense as a whole and its failures on him and that may be where we arent seeing eye to eye. Im not saying that if we didn’t run the ball more, if the OL didn’t block better, etc, that the outcome of the games wouldn’t have been different, but that also wouldn’t change my opinion on how he played. Im not a “if we win everyone did a good job” guy, i critique outside of that. Even if the offense had worked, it wouldn’t necessarily meant he progressed, its not more on him completely for the success as a unit as it is against him. I think thats where we dont see eye to eye, im not putting any of the unit fails on him, just his own personal ones.
I look at it as all connected. Take the names out of it and just look at the offense as a whole. It’s not a good system to begin with, the play calling has too many bizarre moments and the OL is not set yet. In fact, the young guards we have may never be the answer.
Maybe Lazor was a schizo. What he claimes to be wanting to do never happened (uptempo), his scheme was supposed to be WCO which some components seemed that way while others didn’t, maybe the voices in his head had differing opinions on what to do. Would explain a lot with his play-calling and general approach to offenses.
LOL @ schizo
He was definitely arrogant.
Lazor fresh from Chip Kelly came with what he thought was the “In” thing.
Now we’ve seen it wasn’t & neither is it in Philly.
Looks like it is just the Pats fans that like to turn a game in Miami into a min-vacation.
“The New England Patriots will travel to South Florida on Thursday, two days earlier than the norm, in advance of Sunday’s road game against the Miami Dolphins.”
It’s nasty up here with cold and freezing rain.
D, but when you see other teams offensive failures on the OL or receivers then you see what the NFL saw with Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady sunday. They had real bad games, took sacks, fumbled, threw INT’s, wildly missed receivers etc.
*Cue the yeah but they’ve won it all before & Tanny has done nothing argument…lol
(maybe they had better teams then)
Then you get but they’ve been MVPs and won super bowls so you can’t make that comparison. We saw Marino look bad when pass pro was bad. People forget Marino had games where he threw 5 picks.
That isn’t that often it happens with them though. It’s week in and week out with us.
But it’s because of the same issues up front.
And they are much better at the QB position.
D
I appreciate that man. I think it’s a cause and effect type of thing, , so I think his poor play in part was due to scheme, coaching, and O-line, and his inability to overcome those things.
Maybe a better QB could have done better with those circumstances, but he clearly couldn’t. What that means going forward is we either try to improve all those aspects and see how he does, or if we don’t, we better get someone else here that can.
I don’t like the fact that we gave Tannehill the extension when we did (I didn’t like it then either). It almost guarantees that we won’t choose a QB is this draft, even if we have a shot at one. I don’t know if I’m ready to give up on him yet, but I’d at least like to have the option to do so.
Tannehill has had 10 games with a QB rating over 80 (3-100+ and 4 90+) and 8 games without an INT. So how “bad” has he really been? I feel he just hasn’t had that break out year which we’ve discussed and hasn’t been as good as we all hoped. But I don’t think he’s been bad this year. He’s had bad moments and a few bad games but that happens to the best of them.
….and the best of them finally had a break out year with a good team around them that set the course for the rest of their careers in most cases.
Hopefully we see #17 have his break out in Miami & not elsewhere.
I thought he definitely had a better year last year Tim. Not just statistically, but overall. I think his stats are a little skewed, because we throw so many short passes it leads to a higher completion percentage and less picks.
Agreed. I thought this team didn’t look right from the get go. But RT has had more deep completions this year than any other season. His YPA is up and receivers have the most 20+ since he’s been here. We also can’t be selective with stats. When he was a rook we all said he has to get the TD/INT ratio to a + and his QBR needs to improve. He does that but now stats can be misleading. That’s not fair. I was just pointing out that he has not been bad this year like some suggest. Sure he hasn’t been clutch but the entire team hasn’t been for all the reasons we’ve discussed.
D,
I think Lazor wanted to run uptempo, but quickly realized he didn’t have the personnel to do so.
Too bad he didn’t quickly realize his play calling was hideous.
Yeah, but we were a better offense last year. It just doesn’t go to hell in a year. Those cutting Tannehill slack for poor QB play because of a porous OL have to cut Lazor the same slack.
So we have a decent chance at Jalen Ramsey (?)
Yes, the tweener 😉
Tim
The naysayers will say Tannehill compiles stats, but doesn’t win games, play well at the end of games, and lead his team to victory. True he doesn’t turn it over much (INT’s), but he doesn’t throw enough TD’s either. If he improved like I expected him to, he would have had over 30 TD’s which would have helped.
The bottom line is he’s been an average QB throughout his NFL career, while having some really good games and some really bad ones mixed in.
It would have helped, but Landry is mostly an underneath guy, & with Stills and Parker both late to the party, teams keyed coverage on Landry & the OL and lack of running issues kept Cameron in blocking often, so the TD passes were hard to come by as opposed to last year with 10 to Wallace when he did actually catch them and not drop or mis-track the ball.
Again, you’re leaving out why that didn’t happen. It’s not all on him. We all agree this wasn’t his best season or the season we were all hoping for. But the team shit that bed.
Brian
I thought signing Tanny was a good gamble, and due to the fact that we do have an out, still think so. I do agree that he hadn’t earned that contract yet though, no doubt.
Do we have an out though? I thought his guaranteed money was about 40 million?
Additionally, no one thought we’d be picking top five year.
Brian, I think Lazor put the OL in a bad situation more than they did to him. I’ve defended the OL in that way. They’re not good enough but the offense does them no favors which trickles down to RT and Miller who should be way beyond 1,000 yards rushing. They play on their heels all the time.
Yeah, I don’t know Tim. This team has just underachieved in every imaginable way this season.
Tim,
I remember being at the Washington game and thinking “we should be better than this”. We were getting gashed in the run game and not executing well on offense. I guess that was who we really were.
We got lucky to pull that game out, wasn’t a TO, or lucky bounce/calls that went our way at the end?
Brice McCain made and incredible interception towards the end.
Yep! We had that two game charge after Philbin was fired and then reverted right back to who we really are.
At least one of those was the Fest!
And you could really make a case for it being a game and a half, since we got smoked in the second half with our starters out.
Bri
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/ryan-tannehill/
Read the bottom with the contract notes.
So, I guess the could cut him after this upcoming season, but they’d still have a dead cap hit of $15 million. That’s still pretty high, no?
No, after next year look at the cap hits which are less than $7M and decline each year.
I meant dead cap numbers.
Just got in from snow blowing the driveway, and the plows have to come through once more yet. First snow of the year and we get over 12 inches.
Ugh
Ugh… not looking forward to it. We gt our first sign with freezing rain/sleet last night and today.
Whoa, this isn’t what I signed up for or wanted!
Tanny’s contract has an opt out clause for year after next. They built it in there i think precisely because they weren’t 100% sold on him. I mean you wouldn’t have done it otherwise. Even if they had one this coming year i wouldn’t want them to exercise it. I think he has potential and i think/hope this year was a fluke. Still if he doesn’t get it done and continues to regress or make no progress next year, they do have their out and they could be drafting a QB this year or next regardless.
I like the idea of getting a raw, project guy, meant to be developed as a backup, but one with potential to take over if it comes to it. I like the Hackenberg kid even though i loathe Penn State. He is somehow falls to 4th is round id draft him. He shows a lot of natural QB talent and with right development i think could be starter material. Several QB’s this year seem to fit that bill. Best case scenario, Tanny straightens out, we could use the developmental guy as trade bait.
Or do that with former 2014 4th rd pick Logan Thomas and use our draft picks to upgrade other positions.
I’ve watched nearly every one of Hackenbergs games and he reminds me a lot of Tannehill TBH, complete with the OL woes as well. I’d definitely take a shit at him in the 3rd or 4th round, but I doubt he make is there.
You’d definitely take a shit at him. What is your ass a catapult? LOL
I think we should be looking at coaching rumors popping up pretty soon, and probably some concrete sightings of people being brought in to interview after next week. I think we will move fast.
Least with the finish there is no reason to make any kind of move to make clear the job is open.
Could be current coordinators.
2016 Dolphins Schedule.
Home: Browns, Steelers, Cardinals, 49’ers, Titans, & division opponents.
Away: Bengals, Ravens, Seahawks, Rams, Chargers, & divison opponents.
Dammit! My brother has season tix to the Niners!
Bookman
Are you going to be a little more lenient with people returning books to the library with all that snow?
Those reference materials dont show the opt out clause though that they worked into the deal.
Also they have this language for each year starting in 2017.
“Ryan Tannehill signed a four year contract extension with the Miami Dolphins worth $77 million in new money. The contract contains $21.5 million fully guaranteed upon signing. The guarantee is made up of an $11.5 million signing bonus and his 2015 and 2016 base salaries. Tannehill’s 2017 salary is guaranteed for injury, with $3.5 million becoming fully guaranteed on the 5th day of the 2016 League Year and the balance becoming fully guaranteed on the 5th day of the 2017 League Year. $5.525 million of his 2018 salary is also guaranteed for injury and becomes fully guaranteed on the 5th day of the 2018 League Year. Miami increased his 2015 cap charge by $842,477 with the extension but decreased his 2016 charge by $4.515 million.”
I just read a report that Tannenbaum will be the point man on the head coaching search. Can’t get the link up.
Mentioned that yesterday. Looks like Ross is willing to give him a few years as I thought.
Someone posted that last night. I don’t think that’s a surprise unless you had your heart set on Ross completely starting over. But why would this team do anything that you had your heart set on. LOL
Lol! I figured he wasn’t going to fire him, but I had hoped he would. If Mangini is our next coach I’ll fucking lose it.
D, most FO’s don’t give a guy a contract with all that upfront money if they’re not 100% sold on him. Especially so early. Why not wait till this season ened, or why not exercise his 5th year option from his rookie contract?
Sorry but the argument doesn’t make sense!
Most all players can be opted out within a couple years without huge damage. Is why upfront money means so much to the player & agents, it’s all they can really count on.
I think they were hopeful he would continue his trending up, but they were also not completely convinced it would continue. Why work an out in the contract unless you werent? Luck’s contract didnt have it, Wilson’s didnt have it, etc. Im not saying they didnt see in him a future, but they also saw the gamble in it and hedged their bets by putting that opt out in place.
Luck hasn’t signed an extension.
Tim Knight says:
December 29, 2015 at 11:41 am
Or do that with former 2014 4th rd pick Logan Thomas and use our draft picks to upgrade other positions.
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Somewhere in this world M13 is going to hear me saying this, but Logan Thomas does not fit the mold of a guy who with potential to start for us. Id be surprised if he is kept and developed as a QB by next guy coming in. He probably has a better future as a TE for us.
I see that we are still having the chicken or the egg argument where we all seem to “agree” but are still arguing! LOL Here is my $.01 (not worth the full $.02)
1. Tannehill is part of the problem. He has left too many plays on the field and situationally has not stepped up or has made his personal mistakes at inopportune times. He MUST get better or we need to find another QB.
2. The offensive scheme has not helped the matter at all and again SITUATIONALLY the play calling is baffling sometimes. (why call a run play on 3rd & 20 after a holding penalty but go 5 wide on 3rd & 1?) Why throw a screen pass 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage when we need to get 15 yards for a first? (that’s 20 yds after the catch! )
3. The injured / poor quality starters on the Oline handicap our offensive game plans that much more.
4. I have seen for myself & heard from other here that Tannehill doesn’t “make good decisions” sometimes. – I need to point out that NONE OF US know what his reads and progressions are on any particular play. (Why did he throw the ball to Landry short when so-and-so was wide open down the field.?) Maybe he went through his progressions and when he checked on X receiver the guy wasn’t open but he came open after his progression was checked? we don’t know the order of the progressions, I.e. X,Y, Z, RB or RB, Y, X, Z etc.) so there is no way for us to determine if he threw to the correct guy. Plus, most plays he doesn’t have time to go BACK through is progressions!
5. Last year we were all about Tanny’s lack of “Deep ball” accuracy. He has improved that substantially this year, unfortunately his other areas seem to have regressed. He had more completions of 20+ yards (51) and 40+ yards (12) than ever before in his career. He is also tied for 3rd in the league (or 5th depending on how you read it) on completions over 40 yards. Improvement? Don’t know.
6. I’ve heard several people (on here, in the media and ex-players / coaches) say that THIS offense is predicated on “timing” passes. That the QB throws to a spot and expects his receiver to be there. How can you or I tell WHY the receiver wasn’t at the right spot OR if he was and Tanny missed him?
A lot of hot air is blown back and forth on this board. Some of you even think you know what you are talking about….but the truth is Situationally you don’t. Who was his first read? second? what was the timing on the route? etc etc.
Sorry for the novel.
A good defense helps a lot of this. Look at the Jets. Fitzpatrick doesn’t take any chances because its not the end of the world if they punt with their great defense.
Right now with the phins if we don’t score and score often we fall behind because of our crappy defense.
Bri
We can opt out after the 2016 season, so if you want to draft a QB, you can draft one.
I think it was set up that way with a 2 year window which is fair.
Thank you Mike. I’ll let you know what I’m going to do closer to draft time.
GDP,
That schedule looks like a 6-10 to me for next year specially if we go 0-6 in the division like this year SMH.
Now that is really jumping the gun. No FA, no draft and already an 0-6 division record. LOL
By the way we’re currently 0-5 in the division. 🙂
It was suppose to be a joke.
I joked right back at ya.
Brian, my solution was to draft a QB in the mid-late rounds, as we need to move on from Matt Moore’s contract anyhow.
I don’t know if you’ve watched these guys like you have Hackenberg, but my later round guys I like are Davie, FL. native Brandon Doughty QB of W. Kentucky or Brandon Allen QB of Arkansas.
Both have nice potential to develop.
I’ve hear people talk about Brandon Doughty in a positive light.
I’ve touted him awhile….hey I was first, na na na….lol 🙄
I can’t say that I have, but I think Hackenberg at least had a chance to be a starter- he’s got a big arm, but struggles with his decision making at times. If O’Brien would have stayed at Penn St., then I think he would have been a top ten pick easily. He hasn’t grasped Franklins offense well, but they’re OL play has been atrocious over the last few years, worse the Dolphins if you can imagine that.
Has
Boulder, 2016 has some tough road games in there against tough defenses.
@ Seattle, @ St Louis @ Bengals
I think the FO realized they were taking a bit of gamble with Tannehill by giving him an early contract, but they gave themselves insurance by having an out after 2016, so you could look at that however you want. You could either say they didn’t believe in him, or you can say they believed in him, but hedged their bets just in case. It doesn’t matter what we think anyway, the contract gives us an out if we need to use it.
Rock, you been typing that post since 8am this morning?
LOL!
Well at least I got a reply……It wasn’t about the content of my post, but oh well….
LOL @ Bri – I meant we (Dolphins) 🙂
Rock, i liked your post and i agree with it.
Just to be clear though, I dont KNOW what his read progressions are, i watch his eyes on plays. You can tell by way his eyes move from target to target what his reads were, you dont have to guess on it.
By making bad reads, what im pointing out is i have watched when he was running through them and then i have seen what the receiver was doing on that play, and he has either missed that the guy had position on his DB and therefore was open, or he run through them and then, even with one of his other reads in his same field of vision, missed the guy who was two steps behind the safeties and thrown instead to the guy who was covered and a safety doubling up in the zone.
Im not basing it off what i think he should have done, but what he had the opportunity to do. I have seen him stop dead on his first read plenty of times and wait for it to develop instead of moving on to others, and by time it doesnt develop he has lost what little time the OL gave him to get to other reads, he panics and tucks and runs instead of dumping to his check down, which lots of times was open.
You are right he did improve his deep ball, problem is we dont throw it much and as stated above, he miss the reads on several plays where it did develop and he did have the opportunity to throw it.
I think Mangini’s personality is as engaging as a wet rag but he is a good coach. The jury is still out as a HC, but sometimes guys get a bad rep that they suck when they really don’t.
Yeah. He seems like a douche.
Tim,
Luck, as the number 1 overall pick in the draft, signed a 4 year contract with the Colts worth $22,113,598. Luck’s signing bonus is worth $14,518,544 and the contract is fully guaranteed. The Colts hold a 5th year option on Luck that can be picked up after the 2014 season. The Colts picked up Luck’s option for 2016 and it is worth $16.155 million. The option is guaranteed for injury and will be fully guaranteed on the first day of the 2016 League Year.
So, you were right about the contract, but i think they have worked out the details, they are just stalemate on the signing. If i remember they have offered a 100mil contract he just held out for now.
Okay guys, it was nice chatting with you, but I’m in California helping my brother unpack after his recent move and I have to get back to work. Have a good day! Go Dolphins!
Then you got three extra hours to chat then! dont be a slacker!
LMAO!
D
How the heck do you see all those things watching a game on TV? How can you see where he’s looking and what he sees and at the same time, see his receivers too? No offense, I think that’s impossible unless you have coaches film shot from a few different angles.
I record the games and go back and step through the plays a lot of times.
You still can’t see the QB and the receivers at the same time. Totally impossible.
Yeah ya can Mike, you also dont have to see the eyes, as much as the turn of the head.
Rock,
I agree with most of your post. I think Tannehill has been getting better at finding the open receiver, but still struggles with that.
Later Bri – Enjoy Cali!
Thanks Mike. It’s a working vacation, but still fun. Going into San Fran for the day tomorrow and then home Thursday.
Are you going to ride the trolley to The Stud? LOL
LOL @ Rock on (why call a run play on 3rd & 20 after a holding penalty but go 5 wide on 3rd & 1?)
Brian is in Cali, cool. Now fuck off!!! LOL
D
Tannehill’s new contract is guaranteed for $23.5M for injury.
Contract Notes: •$21.5M initially guaranteed, $23.5M guaranteed for injury initially
•Dolphins can opt-out of this deal after 2016
•$17.975M salary fully guaranteed 5th league day of 2017
•$5.525M of 2018 salary fully guarantees on 5th league day of 2018
Tim, as we’ve talked about, the Phins are counting on a youth movement finally with drafting the core of the team.
This is from Alain Poupart
The other thing that pleased Campbell was the work of the team’s young players.
Four rookies — DeVante Parker, Jamil Douglas, Zach Vigil and Jordan Phillips — were in the starting lineup, and running back Jay Ajayi and cornerback Tony Lippett and linebacker Neville Hewitt also got significant playing time on offense and defense.
Plus we have to remember the other young 2-4 year guys.
Also this team has a ton of dead money it’s been carrying with aged vets & FA deals gone sour.
So is it any wonder they’re being creative with the contracts that Aponte makes up, like the one for Tannehill.
We got to get out from behind the Cap 8 ball.
Alright Mike, you found me out im a fraud and i make all this shit up.
OK, glad we got that out, now we can move on. 🙂
Ive never played the game, I dont know anything about any of the positions on the field including the ones i said i played. You by far have a much stronger knowledge of the game to know what i can and cant tell. I forgot i was messing with Ask Mike, the wizard behind the curtain of football.
This is D.
This is Mike.
