By Dr. Bruce Banner
So Hulk watch another disappointing loss and Hulk not even get angry. Hulk just sit there and think what can Hulk write about this week? Another poor job by offensive line. Another poor job of watching defense let opposing team convert 3rd and long after and 3rd and long. Another piece about whether Tannehill is good or bad? Hulk say enough of all this. Hulk want to start looking to the future so Hulk write about 5 possible head coaching candidates and whether or not they good fit for this failing team.
So before Hulk think about head coaches for next year Hulk think what criteria or credentials should the coaching candidates have before team consider hiring them. This is what Hulk think: Whoever the next head coach is must be somebody that has track record of working and developing young QBs. Hulk say regardless of whether or not you believe Tannehill is the quarterback of the future or if the Phins should draft a guy like Lynch, Goff or Cook we are going to need someone who can work with and develop a young quarterback. However, whoever the next head coach is must also be somebody that has skill and knowledge in building a defense. I know this sound like polar opposite but when you look at team there will be almost complete rebuild of defense. On the line Vernon is likely gone. Wake is aging and coming back from major injury. There needs to be a serious infusion of talent at linebacker and we only have one defense back that is any good. With this in mind Hulk look at some names being mentioned for head coach.
Hue Jackson: He has an excellent track record with quarterbacks. He salvaged Carson Palmer’s career when he traded for him as head coach of the Raiders. He now turn around career of Andy Dalton who after last season many Bengal fans were ready to run out of town. Dalton have fine year and now Bengal fans be worried that he no be healthy for playoffs. Oh, the irony. Yes, Hulk like irony. However, there are drawbacks. Jackson have no real defensive experience. He will have to rely on a good defensive coordinator hire. He had only 1 year of head coaching experience with Raiders and did alright taking the team to an 8-8 finish and then was summarily fired by old Al Davis who may or may not have been dead by that time.
Darrell Bevell: He too has done excellent job in developing a young quarterback in Russell Wilson. He has taken Wilson from game manager to game breaker. You can see his development this year given all the injuries to Seahawk running backs. Wilson is now focus of offense and he now on fire as team heads into playoffs. Hulk like being on fire. Bevell also know how to run ball, especially with power back. He would be good fit with Ajayai. But there are drawbacks with Bevell as well. He would be 1st time head coach and there will be a learning curve. He too no really have any experience in running a defense except for seeing a good one every day in practice. Also there was horrible play call at end of Superbowl. How much that have Bevell’s fingerprints on it Hulk no know but it smacks of a Lazor play call being too cute when no have to be.
Chuck Pagano: He likely not back as Colts head coach. He has developed young quarterback in Andrew Luck and made Colts instant playoff team. He also is former defensive coordinator and certainly no stranger to building a defense. So what not to like? Well there is fact that he no get along with dysfunctional owner and front office. Many accuse Miami having dysfunctional owner and front office. Not sure Pagano will be good fit with current front office structure. Also, Pagano’s Colts have struggled mightily against Pats, especially in playoffs.
Mike Smith: He too like Pagano has developed a young quarterback who has turned franchise into instant playoff team. He too like Pagano was a former defensive coordinator and no stranger to building a defense. So again what not to like? Well there is Smith’s playoff record which is full of one and dones in the playoffs. He also went from a head coach who built a balance offense to a head coach who came to rely too heavily on passing game by end of his tenure in Atlanta. Also for being such a good defense mind he never really turned Falcons into good defense team. Falcons won because of offense with defense being constant problem.
Josh McDaniels: He is considered offensive guru. He coach under the almighty Bill Billecheat. He coach Tom Brady. He has coached a team to playoffs including beating good Steelers team in playoffs. He is supposedly on everyone’s short list for head coaching candidates and will be able to pick and choose where he want to go. So what not to like? Well for such an offensive guru he invested a 1st round draft choice in some guy named Tebow. This make Hulk think he no know his backside from his elbow about quarterbacks. He also have stink of Patriots on him. He too like Pagano had stormy relationship with front office and owner and may not be good fit for current structure of Miami front office.
Hulk know there are and will be other names for head coaching candidates such as Sean Payton and John Harbaugh. Hulk did not consider them as Hulk think they unlikely to be Phin’s coach next year. But Hulk sure there are many other names out there that are likely to be considered but Hulk think the 5 listed above are the most likely candidates. What you guys think?
Post Script (Yes Hulk know fancy literary term): Breaking news from Philadelphia; Hulk now know what would make him angry – Hiring this guy:
Finsmob Unleashed 
I was going to publish this for tomorrow but I figure given the news out of Philly it was ripe for discussion now.
Hulk no mention Mike Shula? Hulk clearly have smash head. smh
SHULA sucked at ALABAMA. HULK, Jr., say he not NFL head coaching material (like his brother)! Plus his Daddy thinks Ross is moron.
Bills place FA bust Charles Clay on IR ending his season.
Now it’s his back and still my jersey hangs in the closet. 😦
Landon Turner is hard to evaluate. He just has so much of a size advantage over there Baylor DT its hard to see exactly how good he is. Here seems really slow though. Huge dude.
GDP:
I just think hiring Shula in Miami is a bad recipe. Too much of a legacy to inherit imo. I don’t see it.
I also feel it would be a burden for Mike.
A patsie gets a mention but Don Shula’s own son. Shame on hulk
Ken, good write up. The situation with Mike Smith was the personnel dept. did a bad job with a good but aging team and let the defense die. Look at the Falcons now after a surprising 6-0 start. The same issues are there. I think Mike Smith is a good coach. He prefers a physical team and they didn’t bring in the right players. He’s not the wonder of the world or the only option but he got the Falcons to a level this team hasn’t seen in years.
He looks perpetually constipated
Jim Caldwell will get consideration if Detroit lets him go.
Meh. He hasn’t really shown the ability to build a team. He has inherited pretty talented teams. Has a good first season and then they go to shit.
Mr Suh likes him very much
Hulk, legacy Oh don’t go to Miami, ya might crumble under the legacy pressure….lol
I’m sure he or any other HC has that to live up to & now quite a 2015 mess to really worry about.
Okay, I have put ona my inspector’s hat and ama looking to solva the coaching and personnel problim. Yes yes!
Tim or sumbody mentioned a FA OG.
I’d go after Kelechi Osemele the LG of the Ravens. He’s 26, been ascending, and is even playing LT now that Eugene Moore got hurt, & holding his own. He’s 6’5 330 & can blow people backwards in the run game & is hard to get past in pass pro.
Sign him @ LG for 2016, then groom him to replace Albert or in case Albert gets hurt again.
Something like that. We need better players on the OL. We need James back so he can develop. We forget he’s still young and had to play RT and then LT as a rookie and now missed half the season with turf toe. We have to address the OL this offseason. I don’t think it’s an overhaul, it’s some upgrades and more fierce competition. Then call plays that make more sense and let these guys attack more rather than play on their heels all day.
Hulk trying to pick next HC.
This gift is going to hurt a lot of people. What… now everyone can skate or surf right out of the box? LOL
Hulk don’t need no stinkin Hoverboard.
I hate all the hash tag crap..this is how I originally read this message>>>>Seemed like a good idea to ride my daughter but guess not…
FA:
RB re-sign Miller
OG
OT
LB
DB
Draft:
DE/LB/DB
DE/LB/DB
DE/LB/DB
OL
I like it
Maybe throw a QB in there….lol
Seriously maybe a day 3 guy
This is going to be a good game. Several people to recall LSU vs Texas tech
Keep pounding Fournette.
I think she approves of your offseason moves Tim.
Vadal Alexander and beckwith already looking good
Fournette beast mode.
Tim:
I would love to see Miller back at RB but I am guessing he won’t be. Somebody is going to offer him more money and a better situation than what we offer as a team in a rebuild mode.
I don’t think we’re in some long rebuild mode because we have some good pieces. We need some new pieces in certain areas. The main overhaul will be coaching and that has proven to turn things around a bunch of times. Even we had the biggest turn around in history in 2008 from 1-15 to 11-5. It happens all the time. It’s what you do to maintain it that’s important.
Fans write young players off way too quick because of frustration when some of them could and will develop into quality players. That also happens all the time.
Hawkins, LSUs LT moves really well. Very quick and recovers well when he gets a good move put on him
Strong punch. One plat the de got a good move on him to the inside and Hawkins slapped him with a paw and then shoved him to the inside taking him out of the play
LSU is always packed with talent
Good Job Hulk
I know Shula is sort of too cutesie
But He has the look of a guy who has earned a HC job
why not Miami?
Lot of pressure…I know
but still…its a press filled position
Beckwith is awesome. Def consideration for us as a lber
Not liking la’raven Clark. Thought might be an OK late rounder but he is at best a big development project
Tim:
While a team can turn around quickly I still see us as a longer term rebuild. We have major deficits of talent at many positions. I think we all drunk the kool aide that this team had talent but it was not not real.
Yes, but it’s not an extreme roster makeover. It’s adding some key additions and getting better play from young players simultaneously.
We have some good talent and we have some deficiencies, but our depth was not real. That was my biggest fear heading into the season. We needed it to survive and things got worse when we had to go there.
You know when offenses run bootlegs, waggles and roll-outs the OL is on the move not backing up on their heels. I know you can’t run these plays every down but instead of 3-4 times per game we could run them 10-12 along with running the ball more. Defenses can’t pin their ears back against that. You also keep them running all day chasing and manning up. They will wear down if you execute. That’s when the big plays happen.
Tredevios white isn’t as good as advertised. He’s fast but got burned for a TD
Some have been projecting him as a first round CB. He hasn’t covered well at all so far
nice job ken. I like hue jackson but if we go with a defensive minded guy I’d be okay with. Get a top 10 defense and things will look a whole lot better.
Piggy:
I am not saying we wouldn’t hire Shula nor that he doesn’t deserve a HC position. I just think it would be an odd fit here in Miami given the legacy. It would put the team in a very uncomfortable position should it not work and they have to fire him.
^
You’re no Don Shula shit will start.
Here is a question I have because I honestly don’t know and am looking for insight. The GM used to always be the guy who selected “his” head coach. Hickey did not select Philbin. Is it the GMs role to select players that fit the coach, or to select a coach that fits the GMs expertise and philosophy?. The reason I ask is that I do not have a clue what Hickey’s philosophy is. Does it not matter anyway because the decision will be ultimately up to the Christmas tree? (figure the reference out)
It’s changed a bit. There are more personnel directors and HC than the all powerful GMs like a George Young, Ron Wolf, Bill Polian etc. who runs it all.
Mike Tannenbaum (Executive Vice President of Football Operations) will be Ross’ right hand man on hiring the HC. Hickey whether he stays or goes is more the personnel director. GM is his title but it’s really more about running the scouting dept. which is fine with me.
http://www.miamidolphins.com/team/staff-directory.html
M13 calls this a bureaucratic, liberal way of growing Ross’ in-house government. LOL
Piggy, we agree on something. Shula, a Christmas miracle. 😉
Christmas or a Festivus miracle!!!
Alexander and Hawkins both legit.
Beckwith might be better as a SOLB. He looks good in the middle but even better on the outside
Tim Knight says:
December 29, 2015 at 9:59 pm (Edit)
Yes, but it’s not an extreme roster makeover. It’s adding some key additions and getting better play from young players simultaneously.
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I think it is an extreme roster make over, especially on defense. You have to rebuild half the defensive line as Vernon is likely gone and Wake is likely not to be the same. We need an entire new corp of LBs and at least 3 new DBs. We need at least 2 more OLs. That’s a pretty big make over imo.
It doesn’t all have to happen with top round picks and big time FAs is what I mean. Find some players who are better than what you have and then look to young players taking the next step. Boom!!! You’re a better team. LOL
Oh yeah get a coaching staff that understands down and distance on both sides of the ball. 🙂
Holy crap what a busy day! I got totally slammed today. I kinda knew it would be busy, with only 2 more days left to use up insurance benefits and flex spending money, but it was like defensive lineman going through our O-line, just one after another after another.
Yo D – I hope we’re cool man. I really do love ya. If I didn’t like ya man, I would just ignore you. I really didn’t mean anything other than trying to say I can’t see how you could dissect what Tannehill is doing by a regular NFL broadcast. It wasn’t meant in any way as a slight to you or your football acumen. Anyway – Cheers bro!
We are good. It hit me wrong but I’m quick to forgive
Like a lightsaber, or a blaster?
He sent you flowers.
Hawkins looking better than Alexander. Hawkins looks like he could hold his own in the NFL.
Ken I think we need 1 lb for sure, and I’d prefer if we replaced misi too so two in my opinion. Jenkins is pretty good and rare skills in coverage from a lber
We need at least 2 lbs. Jenkins has decent skills but has not really had a great year. He was better last year. Misi is limited and everyone else is a horror show back there.
Jenkins has been playing on a high ankle sprain for like 5-6 weeks just like Misi did most of the season last year. That stuff matters. Some teams lose their best players for the year. We need better talent and depth at LB but it’s not dire. Draft a top LB and another solid competition guy, sign one LB in FA who has experience who is better than UFA Sheppard (not impossible), then let Vigil and Hewitt compete with all of them. It can change that fast.
D thinking about forgiving me . . .
Tim, the reason I asked is that, for me, the jury is still out on Hickey. He has hit on some of his picks, and, because of the coaching, I am not sure we put all of the players in a position to succeed. Of course, if we keep Hickey, then it is possibly another year of hearing about Dufus Brigades, and such.
Beckwith is winning me over as a target not just a I’ll take him as one of several I think are good. He flips inside and outside well. His coverage skills and speed is pretty good. Same for Hawkins. We need more second round picks lol
Bookman:
I think much of Hickey’s job is being pushed aside by Tannenbaum at this point. I think Tannenbaum is the guy who will have say over who the HC is and ultimately say on the personnel decisions. I think Hickey’s role if he survives will essentially be that of a scout.
That’s already what he is, director of pro and college scouting with a GM title. I have no problem with that. The guy has 21 years experience as a personnel guy from the bottom to the top. It all comes down to whether Mr. T and/or the new HC is in tune with him.
Sounds like you are both saying kind of the same thing. I kind of hope we keep Hickey.
Yes! Ken and I agree on a lot with the status of this team. He just has a more dire view of how deep it is. 😉
Alright. I am off to bed. Will be in NYC tomorrow to see the Masters of Illusion show with the family. It looks pretty cool. Peace to you all.
Peace Ken
Beckwith, Brothers, Morrison, and Ragland all solid choices for us at ILB.
All should be able to flex in and out of different lb sopts too, though Ragland is more pure ILB. Also Casanova mckinzy pretty solid option
Goodnight Ken! Nice job on the article today!
Whatever…you only say that so he will say the same about your articles.
Busted!
Shit, Mike E ignores my posts all the time, that must mean he doesn’t like me. :shocked:
Let me prove you wrong…I am responding to your post…and I can’t stand you.
JBB by the way
LMAO, ok ok, I won’t yell and smoke weed in the library anymore.
GDP, you can yell and smoke weed…just don’t put pictures of wee wees and pee pees in the Cat in the Hat and the Five Chinese Brothers
LOL
I like Hickey too, I don’t think he’s the problem and have said so many times in more detail. Don’t feel like conjuring it up again. 🙂
Coaching is obviously the biggest issue and direction for this team. When you fire your HC, DC and OC and have an interim HC hire new coordinators from within, that’s where your turnover starts. The personnel will be marginal, maybe 20 players tops which isn’t that crazy during a coaching change or any offseason in the FA era. Also because some of our depth is marginal so it’s easy to dial up a bunch of players.
That is why I am still not sure if you let Dan Campbell hire his own staff, he wouldn’t turn into a guy like Tomlin, or Ariens…..but I guess there is no way the Dolphins organization is willing to take that chance.
Ah, the five Chinese brothers. I liked that freaky book
I never even heard of it before Seinfeld.
C’mon GDP – You know I love ya man
Bookman, I actually think Dan Campbell is still a HC candidate. Ross really likes him and Mr. T does too. They know it’s not all on him and he faced a big challenge and adversity right out of the gate. The record is bad but he’s still trying to inspire the players who are tuning out. They also get that. They evaluated him and who knows what they determined. They know he’s passionate and he now has head coaching experience during tough times. That’s when good management discovers good people.
Tim, I agree with all of this. I would hate to see him leave. I think if they could work together to hire an OC and DC that fit his philosophy, he could be successful. The one thing we heard form the players that we hadn’t in the recent past was, that they wanted to play for him. I just don’t think there is any way for him to instill his philosophy long term with coordinators that were not his.
Totally agree. That’s where Ross and Tannenbaum have to ask each other, do you think he’s the guy? Do you think he has leadership qualities? That’s what a good HC is. Sure X’s and O’s are important but this guy played TE for 11 years and has coached for 6 years. I think he knows what a football is. LOL
Also this idea he can’t put a staff together is hogwash. He has a ton of good connections and relationships. He’s well respected throughout the league which is a big part of putting a staff together.
Our next HC could be the one we already have. I’m actually rooting for him though I realize it will not be viewed as a positive proven formula in a PR way. I happen to like Dan Campbell though. I am bias. LOL
Tim
I agree. The funny thing is we always talk about players that have “it”. I actually think, as a leader, Campbell has “it”. What do we know though, we are just a silly knight and a library cop?
LOL, I was going to use IT for him.
I do think he’s a guy who can lead men. This interim job made him go from TEs coach to HC, having to fire guys, promote coaches and try to compete during a season. Easy right? LOL
I hope they retain him, but I get it if they don’t. It might be a mistake down the road though.
Tim, it would have been a lot easier for him if he actually had a good QB…….OH sorry never mind….didn’t mean to bring up that old “chestnut” LOL
I like Dan the motivational speaker but he just doesn’t have enough experience. Hue and Smith are my top guys because they have put together good staffs and have a ton of experience with the game.
I like the Shula name but he has a top 5 defense and the most talented dual threat ever. We don’t have either of those here.
Like Tim, I think we aren’t that far away from competing for a PO spot. You don’t need 22 blue chippers. If we draft right, we should have some solid talent. Get a few really good FAs and we can compete. We are definitely no different than the Jets, Chiefs, Texan, or especially the Redskins.
Skins were picked as a top 5 worst team this year by almost everyone. They had the RG3 albatross over their head and tons of bad previous decisions. They back in it.
Lol, love those guys.
I know it is probably because I am just jaded at this point but I don’t like any of the coaching candidates available. At least any of the ones that have been thrown out there so far. I’m going to have to sit back and wait until next year to determine whether I like the guy they pick this year or not. With the dolphins history this past 20 years I do not have high hopes especially with T-bum in charge. This is horrible and a product of what the Dolphins have done but I have no hope for the future of this team
I don’t like the idea of Chip Kelly
But I don’t completely hate it either
I would not let him touch personnel decisions though if he was here
If he is hired, don’t expect me to go on a tirade about Chip Kelly
Hue Jackson is my favorite from the list above
I honestly think Mike Shula deserves to be on the list – remove the Shula name, and I t6hink I still come to the conclusion that this guy deserves a HC opportunity somewhere
I would probably have Shula right behind Jackson as top candidates
I would probably rank my preferences like this
Hue Jackson
Shula
McDaniels
Chip Kelly
Mike Smith
Dan Campbell
Bevell
Pagano
I really don’t care for Pagano
And the only 2 I like the idea of hiring are Jackson and Shula
There is a history of head coaches in the NFL who have done a much better job on their 2nd chance at the HC position
This includes guys like Belicheat and Pete Carroll
of course there is another side of that coin – like good ole Dave Wanny who failed for the bears and the dolphins
So before ruling out Kelly, McDaniels and Mike Smith just keep that in mind
Coaches with NFL experience that have not failed somewhere are usually not available
We have a line of first time coaches here lately in Philbin, Campbell, Sparano, Cam Cameron, Todd Bowles. we might be better off with some one who has been in the top seat before even if they have not had success there
ROCKPHIN: I tend to agree with you. And you’re ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about proven loser T-BAUM!!—Ross’s top 2 advisors, King Carl and T-Baum, have yet to make a really good recommendation to Ross ON ALMOST ANY PERSONNEL DECISION RECOMMENDATION!!–Dare I bring up the extensions and pay raises given to Sparano and Ireland??
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Drew Harwell of the Washington Post has an article about DISNEY Corp.’s (read “CORPSE”) in today’s TAMPA BAY TIMES (P. 4b). sUBSCRIBERS TO ESPN are dropping off at an incredible rate during the current “recovery.” 7,000,000 U.S. households have DROPPED ESPN during the last 2 years! That amounts to about 20-25 million people!!! Meanwhile, starting in 2011, ESPN agreed to pay over $15 billion for 10 years oif rights to the NFL. Plus ESPN also owes BILLIONS to broadcast the NBA over the next several years, too! The recent success of “STAR WARS” (owned by Disney) has NOT positively impacted Disney shares on Wall Street. Indeed, since the movie opened, Disney stock HAS DROPPED 6 PER CENT!! BTIG research has downgraded Disney stock to “sell”, based on Disney’s precarious position with ESPN.
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I AM NOT unhappy with arrogant ESPN’s current condition. MOST of their programming is SHIT!!–I WON’T WATCH IT!! And, apparently, I’m not alone I even turned off their Duke-North Carolina TV broadcasts because they canned the popular “Dicky V” in favor of whatever for this big game. WELL FUCK THEM AND FUCK THEIR ADVERTISERS TOO! ESPN can try to force-feed the NBA and British soccer down my throat all day and all night. –I AIN’T WATCHIN!!!
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FINALLY, I have been very impressed with ART BRILES during his tenure at Baylor. I’d at least like to see him considered for the Dolphins’ HC job. NOT saying he’s THE MAN FOR THE JOB!–But I sure like him a lot more than another coach who HAS FAILED in the NFL. STOP HIRING LOSERS!!–Start hiring WINNERS!!
ESPN sucks. Piggy agrees
Briles can probably work with the current personnel we have since he runs a spread like offense at Baylor and has been very successful there
If we brought in Briles, think RG3’s name would come up…I bet it would
My issue with Briles is lack of NFL experience
we have hired winners at a different level who have become losers
But my opinion on this subject is not really a strong opinion
I’m open to bringing in a college guy
I would not condemn the idea
Also noticed a theme here in Hulk’s analysis
developing a young QB
Since I have become a resident Tanny Hater, I think its worth pointing out that Tanny will be a 5th year QB and 28 years old next season
Lets not refer to the guy like a 22 year old rookie
he is right on that line of saying this guy is the guy he is
rather than this guy can be _______________
If it were any other position, we would have given up already
The QB position is a little weird though
Guys like Gannon and Brees really came along much later in their careers
Alex Smith was a disaster early in his career
and some one like Culppepper who was great out of the gate was a mess when he got close to 30 (and he is not alone there)
And when you look at Tanny – you can see there is untapped potential
even I see that
but I question how far behind he is to really not just cost the team so much in “developing” him
I also think Philbin focused on developing him and maybe even coddled him
so there is a little bit of been there done that going on here IMO
I’m not hiring a coach to develop Ryan Tannehill
I’m hiring a guy who wants to win and has a plan
developing Ryan Tannehill is a very small factor in why I bring a guy in
Tannehill might very well be a lost cause (which some people really don’t want to admit)
the Miami Dolphins are NOT a lost cause
Ryan Tannehill is NOT the future of this team
He might end up being that – but I’m not betting the house on it
and I don’t understand why so many people are willing to do that
I think its a little crazy to think a new coach is going to say – “hey Tannehill – that’s my guy”
and I certainly would not want to make a decision which the expectation that will happen
Now developing a Goff or Paxton Lynch…that is another story….lol
Now I have work to do today
and I leave you with that post for you guys to accuse my panties of being in a bunch or being cuckoo or whatever you say since I don’t want to hand the future of the Miami Dolphins to Ryan Tannehill
BTW
it was a very good post by Hulk. I just have a different point of view on Ryan Tannehill, so I thought it was worth oinking about
Great post
I thought a small minority might oink and agree
I have a pretty strong feeling that I am not going to be happy with WHOMEVER they hire for the HC position. I’m not a fan of Huge Action, don’t like the idea of Kelly, Pagano or McDaniels at all. I don’t know who I would like but I am pretty sure Ross & T-bum will screw it up……Mangina
I think I am a member of the party to the Right of the HDS for a while longer at least. (the HDS has gotten soft)
what’s the HDS?
Good post Ken. I think rather than a HC that needs to develop a QB, we need an OC who can develop one. The fact that Tannehill is signed to a big contract may dissuade some of the candidates from coming here, and potential GMs as well unless Tannenbaum is truly running the show, and then the GM doesn’t matter.
I think Suh and Tannehill’s contract might dissuade some
But Tanny’s is not a huge factor
he is about to be middle of the pack for a QB by 2016
and we can get out of his contract after 2017
so if some one does not like Tanny as the future, they are not handcuffed
Suh’s contract is a bigger issue
You have to like Suh as the centerpiece of your defense to want to coach in Miami
But frankly I think its far more likely that anyone wants Suh as their defensive centerpiece then Tannehill as their QB
in fact, I think you want a player like that – just not the contract so much
Yeah. At least Suh can be dominant at times.
Now developing a Goff or Paxton Lynch…that is another story….lol
I’m glad there is an LOL at the end of this post, otherwise I would have to point out how foolish a statement it is. There is no way to know if Either of these guys will develop into a serviceable QB in the NFL. Finding a franchise QB is a crapshoot with loaded dice. How many “elite” quarterbacks are there in the NFL? 4-5? that means 27 other teams are looking for ‘their guy’
Its not foolish
I only put lol bc I knew some one would say something like this
as its the kind of statement that usually leads to some one belittling my posts or suggesting my panties are in a bunch bc I badmouthed Tannehill
you are blind if you think a new HC is going to be committed to Ryan Tannehill
that is the most naïve thing any Dolphin fan can believe
whether brining in a rookie is a crap shoot or not is not relevant
its also a crap shoot to think Ryan Tannehill will develop into a franchise QB
pick your poison on that one rookie vs Ryan Tannehill – still crap shoot
“developing” a rookie QB is a bit more realistic of a statement than “developing” a 5th year QB – don’t you think
but go ahead and act like I’m the foolish for believing that a new coach won’t want to go in a different direction at QB instead of rescuing Ryan Tannehill from the depths of being completely below average at almost everything he does
The Flying Pig says:
December 30, 2015 at 8:25 am
what’s the HDS?
I’m not sure what it is an acronym for, but it was the party apposed to the Patience Brigade. (the hater party)
I think if we hire McDaniels, Kelly, Mangini, or that GM from NE, I will leave my fan status for Miami. I would become a Tampa Bay fan until Miami gets its act together. I do not trust Tannenbaum to make good decisions.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but those guys would reinforce the Northeastification of Miami, which is already a problem with the inherent fan base in SFlorida. I am not talking about you guys my brothers on here. I am talking about bringing in guys who have links to the Philly-jests-Boston axis and mindset. In spite of their success, the Bellycheat / LadyBoy Way is not the philosophy I want to root for every Sunday. McD and Chipper are the same Meeeeeeeeeeeee style of petulant whining that I hate in a man. I favor Dan Campbell for HC next year, but Art Briles is my 2nd choice.
PS: I also think Pagano is not a very good coach and that Mike Smith is toast.
I like McDaniels as a possible candidate for our next coach Naples, but not necessarily the other two. I doubt Kelly gets another job any time soon in the NFL, unless he is willing to take a job with less control over the personnel, which doesn’t seem to be his style. I’m sure there are colleges lining up right now to hire him.
RT has had terrible coaching and a world record bad OL(150 sacks hurt physically and mentally).
I am a big fan of Ryan Tannehill, for several reasons, both things about him and things surrounding him. Statistically he has some undeniably compelling positive stats, including yearly improvement, not just statistically, but also insofar as saying to himself “this is what i need to improve upon” and then spending all off-season working his ass off doing just that.
I have listed the stats before, but I can do it again if anyone needs to see them.
We are all also aware of the dinosaur playbook of Sherman and the wackadoodle down and distance “abandon the run” after 2 minutes concept of Lazor. Add in Philbin’s stubbornness and bonehead clock and timeout misuse. Then recall that he and that idiot DC disassembled a top 5 defense piece by piece until it is now a bottom 5 defense, even with Suh, discarding proven hitters like Dansby and young guns like Vontae for … journeyman back-ups at best.
Need I mention Ireland? Didn’t think so.
Looking at stats and nothing more
There is improvement from 2012-2014
But I think he ends up with less TDs in 2015 and a lower QB rating
2015 mirrors 2014 in a lot of ways
but if anything, he regressed slightly
I don’t personally go crazy about stats, especially for a guy who touches the ball every offensive snap – he is going to compile stats
for what its worth, I give him a lot of credit for taking those snaps given his OL. I think his toughness is really something to be impressed by
and if he is that tough – and gets his chances, then the odds of him becoming a much better QB are pretty high IMO
but he is not a very good QB now and there some things he has done since he was a rookie that just aren’t getting any better IMO
the coaching and the OL has been really bad
I acknowledge that
but I do not favor the arguments that you cannot look at Tanny irrespective of those problems
and what I see right now is not a franchise QB you build around
I do think he can be that guy – but its quite a risk to take for a new HC
Art Briles just put 5 or 6 HUNDRED yds of offense, mostly rushing, on an 11-2 team in a bowl game. I’d like a guy here who can put up points in bunches for a change. Even losing half our games 44-41 would be better to me than the painful parade of 3 and outs we have just been through. Let him promote a NFL LB coach to DC and we could have balance and a stopper D.
Bevell is another guy I would like to see come in here.
Miami needs an identity. This is why i like Dan Campbell. I’d like Miami’s identity to be a kick-ass, swarming defense and a fun-bunch, quick-strike offense and stifling special teams identity. Not these gimmick and gadget plays on offense and this soft-cushion, read and react style defense. I want a game plan on d to take away their favorite plays or player and a game plan on offense to exploit their weakest or injured or rookie player.
It sounds like Chip Kelly was an ego maniac so he may not get an NFL job for awhile.
While Salguero doesn’t say who the team’s top choice is, he pointed out on Twitter that Sean Payton is not on their immediate list and nor is Hue Jackson of Cincinnati. Any speculation of Mike Tannenbaum leaving the team after the season can also be quashed if in fact Salguero is correct with his assertion that Tannenbaum will be the point man.
Last year as a consultant, Tannenbaum reportedly asked Stephen Ross to fire Joe Philbin. His first choice would have been, according to rumor, Dan Quinn of the Seattle Seahawks. Whether there was any truth to those rumors will not be known.
Salguero does point out one name however as someone who will interview for the vacancy.
Jim Mora Jr. will be considered by the Dolphins.
Mora has been rumored for awhile.
Piggy
I concur with what you say about Tannehill. It infuriates me when he stares down a target. It dismays me when he throws a pick 6. It bums me out when he takes a coverage sack instead of stepping up into the pocket. And he has other annoying deficiencies.
But what QB hasn’t done those things?
I think most of his staring is due to the play designs being so poor that there is only one viable option or only one guy getting open. I also think Philbin’s stubbornness required Tannehill to throw to “that guy.”
I think the pick sixes could be avoided by just NOT calling throws into the flats to stationary receivers between our own 15 and 30 yd lines. DUH!!
The cover sacks and immobility are also a result of the two issues above, plus actually I would prefer a 2-6 yd sack loss to an INT or too early giving up and hurling it into the third row a la Marino.
in general
I think he does a good job avoiding turnovers
so its not my biggest gripe with him
I think he is really bad in the pocket
I think his doesn’t see open receivers
I think he is slow to react to guys
I think his downfield accuracy is better but still not very good
I think his short and medium range accuracy went from good to bad in the last season or so
I think he makes pretty poor decisions and often appears not to lack football smarts
and I think his touch on the ball is very bad
and that combo of problems is not enough to offset the good things
I am leery of Mora. And yet … Did he not get a raw deal earlier somewhere?
He was an asst. coach in SEA in 07-08 under Holmgren and they were a bad team. He became the HC when Holmgren stepped down and was fired after a 5-11 season.
If payton is not on the radar I get it
the saints want a draft pick
but Hue Jackson doesn’t make sense to me
unless he made it clear he is not interested in the job
Or Jackson might just not want to speak during the bengals post season
I don’t think Mando knows everything we’re doing.
He does something hit the nail on the head with names on the radar
He misses when he talks about the reasons why
That is just my opinion
but the GM search and the Aponte stuff was pure theatrical speculation
the names involved – not so much
I have a couple of under the radar guys I would like to see considered ready to step up to HC. DC Bob Sutton of KC has put together a pretty good defense over there. And the offense there works.
DC Sean McDermott is my favorite in this category, as he is an author of a swarming stifling d at Carolina. He has also several years seasoning to watch and learn the HC job tasks. And that offense he practices against could be grafted onto our personnel.
It appears that Bill Cosby really was a sexual predator.
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/news/results-bill-cosby-criminal-inquiry-announced-142724650.html?clear=cache&ref=gs
you don’t say….
It’s not going away and getting worse.
The Flying Pig says:
December 30, 2015 at 9:47 am (Edit)
I don’t personally go crazy about stats, especially for a guy who touches the ball every offensive snap – he is going to compile stats
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If he were a bad QB, he’d compile bad stats. He’s NOT a bad QB, he’s had an average year for a really bad team. I know it’s easy to overlook that, or disparage him for it, but that’s exactly what it is. I suppose you could hope he could have a better year, but he hasn’t been bad, he just hasn’t been as good as we hoped.
I don’t get it either. You would think he has 12 TD, 20 INT and 50% comp. pct.
His stats are not exactly jaw dropping
he’s pretty much middle of the pack
but I completely disagree with your statement
Stats don’t often tell the facts
If you would prefer to promote an OC, again from KC, OC Doug Pederson looks like a qualified candidate who has worked with a similar game manager QB who can run as well as throw.
I think OC Adam Gase is ready to be top man although only one yr in Chicago. I think he worked with Peyton in Denver right? So that has to be an education in how to mess up a defense. And Fox is probably a good mentor for how to run a team.
And OC Harold Goodwin has an excellent offense in place in Arizona. I would love to see that kind of balance and creativity here, and he definitely rescued Palmer’s career.
My point on the stats for Tannehill is not actually the stats per se.
It’s what they reveal. His stats give cause for optimism and would give a new HC/OC “something to work with.”
As a counterpoint, Mark Sanchez’s stats are meaningless, even his “I took the team deep in the playoffs” stats. There is no reason to be optimistic about him or to see anything there to build upon. Ditto Chad Henne, Matt Flynn, Matt Schaub, even Case Keenum to me is not a viable future. nor Hoyer, Mallett, or Weeden. No matter the stats, they have no future.
Piggy
Stats definitely give you an indication of what a player is doing. It makes no sense to just say he’s compiling stats. I know all you’re concerned with is wins and losses, but that stat isn’t only controlled by the QB.
I mean our team is 5-10, you could expect the QB’s stats to be bad, if he was a bad QB.
RT has had 10 games with a QBR over 80, 3 100+ and 4 90+ but that doesn’t matter anymore. LOL
If he had 2000 yards at this point and had that many touches
I would say he sucks
But he touches the ball that much
in a lot of loosing efforts and his stats are…..meh
he doesn’t have good stats
see below
He is less than average pretty consistently
I’m not making Henne or Sanchez comparison with Ryan Tannehill
I’m consistently saying he is not good
His QB Rating is 25th in the NFL
His comp % is 21
His TDs are 15th
His yards are 10
He is tied for 9th in the lead in INTs
His pass attempts are 8
His completions are 8
Those aren’t; good stats
He throws more than anyone else but does less with it and is a lot less efficient
Some of those things feed off each other
We are all upset about abadoning the run
But don’t tell me Rayan Tannehill has good stats
Take a good look at those stats
they are subpar
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating
We also pass .64 to .36 run which is horrible balance and we are a bad pass pro team but none of that matters.
He is tied for 9th in the lead in INTs with 6 other QBs. That is a bias way you wrote that saying in the lead. 12 INTs in 15 games is not bad.
Its not a bias
Its a fact
I said tied
what did you want me to say
where do you think he will finish after next week
at best 15th or so
So what?
Its not the least bit misleading to say he is tied for 9th when he is tied for 9th and not going to fall to the 20s after 1 more week of play
At best – if he throws no ints this Sunday
he moves from top 10 to middle of the pack
so what?
What is our team overall in every other statistical category? I’d bet we’re worse on defense, rushing yards allowed, rushing TD’s, passing yards allowed defense, points allowed defense, and then on offense, rushing yards and rushing TD’s too. Check those out, and tell me why Ryan Tannehill is the biggest flaw in this team.
okay
whatever (sigh)
Piggy, it’s just not worth it. I know what you are saying, and I mostly agree. It’s not a campaign against Tannehill, but that’s the overriding perception. And in truth he’s not the biggest problem the team faces. That appears to be Ross- Is he going to do it right and clean house from attic to basement or is he going to half- ass it like before (i.e., keep Tannenbaum)?
He started the rant on Tannehill so he should expect replies.
Keeping Tannenbaum is not half-assing it. He was just hired this year. He will be involved in hiring a new HC, that’s how it’s suppose to be done. We half-assed it when we hired Hickey and Tannebaum with Philbin in place.
Matt Ryan has 19 TD’s and 15 INT’s, he has a top 3 RB and a top 3 WR. Matt Ryan has been a top 10-15 QB most of his career. Tannehill has more TD’s and less INT’s
So what
Question is – How can Ryan Tannehill be elite with this offensive scheme, with its inherent lack of balance with pass to run, with a terrible offensive line, and bad a defense to boot?
About Mora, I was remembering the fiasco in Atlanta where his last season there was when Vick was under a cloud and was indicted right after the season. Mora got fired for joking that he might need to go back to state of Washington to coach, which Arthur Blank did not think was funny. The next year they started Joey Harrington (!!) and the coach quit mid-year.
Mora was seen sniffing ammonia caps on the sideline and to me is a loose cannon emotionally.
Figures you would use the ESPN QB rating, which was created by unicorns. lol
Ryan Tannehill is riding that unicorn to your delusions about him
He is 39th according to NFL.com
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&season=2015&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING
There are RB’s, WR’s and QB’s who have less than 100 passes attempted on that list. SHEESH! Pay attention!
I have no idea what that rating is. Why did they feel the need to create their own when there already is a formula?
Piggy, 20 QBs have 10 or more INTs. RT has 12. Oh my god, how horrible. LOL
Yeah b/c that is what I said….
Is 22:12 a good ratio?
Is this guy elite?
Is this a guy you build around?
Now we’re using the elite word which should only be used for a select few QBs. 22-12 is okay but not bad. Nobody said RT is having a great year. But to say he is having a bad year to me is silly.
For a new HC, I still prefer Doug Pederson, who was a QB here and a back-up to Bret Favre. Under Pederson’s guidance in 2011, the Eagles set a franchise record with 6,386 yards. Now he coaches up Alex Smith to get them 9 or 10 straight wins.
Or
DC of Carolina Bob Sutton, if you prefer a DC type HC.
SHHHHHHHH
BrianCat @BrianCat13 4m4 minutes ago
Looking at these CBs, Ill take Iowa’s Desmond King over VT’s Fuller.
The amount of denial when it comes to Tannehill is awe inspiring
(cue the you are just a Tanny hater responses)
His stats are not good stats no matter what the reason for those stats are
No reasonable person that was not a fan of this team would call those stats good
So people should argue his stats are good
Sorry to be the person/pig to tell you santa claus is not real
but when you spend Christmas waiting for a fat man to drop down the chimney, don’t tell me the chimney was not big enough when it does not happen
I disagree with you, that’s all. It’s not denial, I think you’re way off. I know what’s gone on with this team this year and the major issue is not the QB. That’s my opinion and I don’t care what anyone thinks about it. LOL
RT is only the 4th QB in history to throw for more than 3000 yds in all of his first 4 years in the league. That’s not dink and dunk 125 yds per game stuff.
He has been sacked more than anybody in those 4 years and never missed a game. He’s a fast runner with some moves in the open field. He’s strong enough to bull over a DB at the goal line and can throw the ball as hard and far as any QB would ever need. He needs more touch on certain pass patterns.
He holds the NFL record for completions in a row.
His wife is blonde and hot.
Tim- what do replies have to do with the worth of a conversation? I told him him it wasn’t worth it, not that he shouldn’t expect replies. And the truth of it is, this conversation was baited to begin with- which is why I told him it wasn’t worth it to begin with.
And keeping tbaum is half assing it- even some of your fellow Tanne-acolytes feel this way.
Baited?
Question is – How can Ryan Tannehill be elite with this offensive scheme, with its inherent lack of balance with pass to run, with a terrible offensive line, and bad a defense to boot?
This is where all the great minds who knock Tannehill need to step up to the plate with an answer
How can this oline, with its poor coaching, bad scheme and inconsistent qb play be elite?
Nevermind- already tired. Going to take a nap at The Force Awakens with the family. Later.
It can’t. You’re catching on though. Don’t blame the QB for being the unfortunate soul to have to stand behind them though. 44 sacks man, if you want to say 8 were Tannehill’s fault, it’s still way too many. It takes a lot of synergy to have success, we just don’t have it. The QB can’t be great all by himself, we’ve seen evidence of this all over the place. Yet, the Tannehunt continues.
That is not the question
hypothetically – What if the scheme was good
and you found out Ryan Tannehill was not good after that
You just wasted your time on that question
The question on who Ryan Tannehill is
is “who is Ryan Tannehill”
not who is everyone else before I talk about Ryan Tannehill
Then you know it’s time to move on.
Let’s talk MLBs, DBs, and OGs, which is where I think we can get the most improvement the fastest. Tannehill is our QB next year. If we fix these other problems and Tannehill still sucks, then we draft his replacement in the 2017 draft.
Plus a new HC/DC/OC of course.
Can we get Weddle to come here as a FA? That would be a great Safety combo, him and Reshad.
Who is the best NFL prototype MLB in the draft? a Luke Kuechly type guy?
I don’t think there is one like Kuechly but Reggie Ragland is considered the best pure ILB/MLB in the draft. At least at this time.
Tim Knight says:
December 30, 2015 at 11:03 am (Edit)
Now we’re using the elite word which should only be used for a select few QBs. 22-12 is okay but not bad. Nobody said RT is having a great year. But to say he is having a bad year to me is silly.
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It was just argued that his stats are “good”
I did not argue that his stats were bad
I actually started off the conversation by saying stats didn’t matter
then it was argued that his stats are good and I said, to paraphrase…no not really
His stats are not good
its subjective but reasonably and compared to his contemporaries that simply isn’t true
they are not good stats compared to other QBs this year
You know as well as I know that the game has changed so much
QBs are going to put up numbers if they get enough touches
If you look at his numbers compared to his contemporaries
there is nothing special about Ryan Tannehill
that is who he is right now
average and often below average
whether you think he will be better is a different conversation
I didn’t start a rant about Ryan Tannehill
I responded to getting a new coach to develop a QB (see my 8:20 post)
I think it was fair
I just think, as usual, people are very defensive about it
and that is par for the course now
Dude, you just said:
“His stats are not good stats no matter what the reason for those stats are
No reasonable person that was not a fan of this team would call those stats good
So people should argue his stats are good”
I wasn’t even talking about Tannehill. You were the first one I saw mention him. I was talking about head coaches.
Yes
and I repeat
His stats are not good stats
Take anyone who didn’t throw at least 100 attempts off piggy’s list, and Tannehill still ranks 25th. Not good.
Right Randy, and where does the team rank in every other category? It’s bad year for the team, we sucked, but if every other category is bad, why expect the QB to be good?
I just argued 25th
and it was pissed on as not counting
but you know how it goes….
Stats are not necessarily arbitrary
The interpretation of those stats may be a matter of opinion
but there aren’t a lot of good stats floating around Ryan Tannehill when you compare him to other QBs in 2015
and if stats are what you judge a Qb by
than Ryan Tannehill is not a good QB based on stats
Try, how is allowing your Executive Vice President of Football Operations being involved in the hiring of a HC half-assing it? LOL
If anyone is interested, this is how I think of our offense. When it’s a pass, and it’s completed, I feel like it’s a fluke. I never have that feeling that it should be expected. Same with the running game. I never feel like we’re going to have a big gain, and when we do, again it’s a fluke. I’d like to get to the point where good things happen and it’s more of how we play/execute and not a lucky break. Our team is fluked up. ;(
Our season was definitely Fluked up! 😉
Who baited Piggy? He started questioning Tannehill at 8 something this morning.
5 o’clock my time
I wasn;t baited
I responded to the Hulk blog post about developing a QB as a factor in picking a HC
Its relevant to the blog post
its right on point actually
Its not a “rant”
its just something you obviously don’t want to read or hear
Tim,
We haven’t totally cleaned house in a while. As you stated earlier, Tannenbaum is essentially the GM, and Hickey is in charge of scouting. So we are half adding it because again, we are not cleaning house. We are keeping the real GM in place, and he is going to lead the coaching search/hiring.
That’s not half-assing it. You may want a complete start over but Ross does not. He just hired his football guy this year. Half-assing it is hiring people around your coach when none of them have any relationship with each other. Now we’re doing it from the top down. You may not like it but that’s how it’s suppose to be done.
7: R1P7 CB JALEN RAMSEY, FLORIDA STATE
38: R2P7 DE JONATHAN BULLARD, FLORIDA
70: R3P7 ILB KENTRELL BROTHERS, MISSOURI
102: R4P7 QB BRANDON DOUGHTY, WESTERN KENTUCKY
134: R5P7 WR RASHARD HIGGINS, COLORADO STATE
164: R6P7 FS JORDAN LOMAX, IOWA
195: R7P6 DE ROMEO OKWARA, NOTRE DAME
196: R7P7 OLB TERRANCE SMITH, FLORIDA STATE
I like it!
MikeE,
But, our OL ranked, I believe, 24th before our last game in sacks allowed….sure it changed after giving up 6 sacks….and people seem to think they’re “horrible”. How can Tannehill have basically the same ranking among QBs and not be considered horrible as well? I don’ get that. Why the difference in opinion?
I really think the Tannehill discussion is moot because we have way worse problems on this team and I am not even talking about players. Also because he is under contract for next year in a way that means he is the starter, unless we do a RG3 scenario, which is not gonna happen here.
Here’s the deal: virtually every facet of our team sucks this season. I’m not defending the defense, Suh, Grimes, the offense, Tannehill, the OL, or anyone of the team. Name me a player outside of maybe Jones and Landry and I’ll tell you how he’s accountable for our failures this season.
They are all bad stats
but the point is Ryan Tannehill does not have good stats
there is probably a chicken and egg black hole to be sucked in on causation
Preach brother!!!
Can I get an Amen?