Last game of the season. It turned out a lot different than what we all had hoped for a few short months ago. Even though it won’t matter, I hope they manage to somehow pull off a miracle and win this game. It would make this long off season ahead a little easier.
For those who are observant, you’ll notice the record is wrong, I set this up at the same time as last weeks game. It’s hard to whip up much enthusiasm so I thought I’d go ahead and get it out of the way. We probably lost last week anyway.
Let’s Go Dolphins.
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except playing on the field, its one of the top and best organizations.” – Dolphins owner Steve Ross. Yeah. Except for that one area, well and I guess coaching and talent evaluation, and of course front office leadership, Yeah, Except for playing on the field, preparation for playing on the field, selecting the players to play on the field and of course the field it self. Except for tose 4 things, wait is it 5 things?, anyway except for those things we are one of the top and best organizations, Those and my ability to pick someone who could correct those things…
I plan on doing a coaching pro’s and con’s thing soon, but one of the pros i had already determined for Shanahan is the fact that he likely doesn’t need to rework the offense to get what he normally runs. His scheme will onl y be slight tweaks from what we already do, or at least what we are set up to do i should say.
He has a definite offensive identity too, so i doubt we wouldn’t know what the fuck we were doing with him.
Shanahan just read the blog and he is pissed at your comments
getterdone says:
January 4, 2016 at 11:01 am
Lippett would be one of those great acorns that became a mighty oak in the NFL. I hope we hit on a couple of those guys to offset the blunders of DT3 & Dion FF.
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Like Reshad Jones!
Shanahan also had pretty good defenses. Good coordinators would come here to work under him figuring he’d retire after a few years and they could assume the HC role of a stout playoff caliber team.
Damn, alarm clock just went off and woke me up….smh
hiring shanny would be a mistake IMO. He can’t build a defense. I bet we’d be looking for a new coach in 3 years if we hire shanny.
3-5 years sounds right, he is approaching Coughlin old.
I hope we don’t hire him then, I don’t want to hear you for 3 years firing him. LOL
D,
The only thing that matters in an NFL organization is winning. If you’re winning you’re a top organization if not then your bottom. So Ross is clueless because he doesn’t get that.
NFL is about winning and nothing else.
Ahh but the rub is only 12 teams out of 32 go to the playoffs each year.
So that leaves 20 team owners that don’t get it either….lol
Coughlin will be 70 next season, Shanahan 64.
yea they don’t. Specially the ones that consistently miss the playoffs like the phins and the browns.
The nfl is about making money. You can be a losing franchise and still make bank. Winning losing and super bowls are illusions to keep you tuned in and making them money. It’s just like politics and voting.
My conspiracy friend, wazzup? 😉
I don’t disagree. but winning teams sell for more than losing ones. Ross got robbed when he bought the phins because of the 2008 fluke season. That season probably cost Ross an extra 100-200 million bucks.
Tax write off. 😉
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tim,
It doesn’t matter who we hire. If we don’t win you’re gonna have to hear me calling for his job 🙂
Yeah but I don’t want to hear it from the day we hire him. LOL
My new-years resolution this year is to stop being a hater……(I know I only gave it 3/4’s of a season to try out) I was much happier as a clueless homer so I am going to go back to doing that. WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO!!!!! The Dolphins are going to be great next year! We are going to find the BEST HC in the history of the league and ride with him to superbowl victories for the next 10-15 years! We have all the pieces in place already! We are a young and upcoming team that was only one piece away. A good HC with a good scheme. Now that our AWESOME VP of operations has picked our new GM and will assuredly pick the next great head coach we are on our way!
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Tim Knight says:
January 4, 2016 at 11:06 am (Edit)
Richard Sherman and Josh Norman were both 5th rd picks. You don’t have to take DBs high unless there is a special talent available,
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there are a lot of great day 3 picks in the 5th round
but I tend to think CB is a good 1st round pick
if the prospect looks like a good prospect
I think its one of the high value positions on defense
I guess some of that depends on scheme
it is weird that so many of the top tier cbs playing are 5th rounders
Reshad playing at pro bowl level (despite the shitty voting) too
all of those guys (Norman, Sherman and Jones) probably would be successful wherever they play
I don’t think they are day 3 system guys – I think they are genuine talents
I really hope Lippett can join the club of successful day 3 draft pick DBs
A lot of 1st rd corners have been so so or not good in recent years.
I’ve often compared omar to a stick in the mud. 🙂
Omar Kelly @OmarKelly 2h2 hours ago
Keep in mind I’ve often compared Ryan Tannehill to Jake Plummer. Guess who coached Jake Plummer?
He just started saying that recently and a bunch of us have been saying that type of offensive system is the one that fits RT best so Omar is very late to the party. LOL
So I have some non-Dolphin news for you guys
some people already know
I am leaving my current job at my firm
and I am starting my own firm (a very small practice)
I put my notice in today and I am scheduled to start 2/1/16
congratulations! Are you specializing in farm-stead law?
So porcine odyssey 5 days a week now?
congrats. I started my own company 10 years ago. its a leap of faith.
Starting your own thing is like having a baby. A lot of work but a lot but also very gratifying.
I’m glad I didn’t mention Jake Plummer earlier.
Rock, I like you man. You are able to fault yourself, and make changes, come back into the fold. You’re a good dude.
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Piggy, that’s great. Wish you the best of luck. My guess is you won’t be blogging much but when you do you won’t have to answer to anyone. 🙂
You can have a poster on the wall that says the 7 Samurai according to Piggy. LOL
He’ll now literally be blogging pantsless.
He’ll have a button that makes lightning crashes sounds.
Now that we beat the Patriots yesterday, we’re clearly the top choice for any hot candidate. We don’t have to worry about any playoff teams coordinators, they obviously have us as their first choice, and I bet if they could, they would quit right now just to join the Miami Dolphins.
now that’s sunshine and lollipops LOL.
WOOOOOOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Drink up!
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Your aren’t going to be an ambulance chaser are you? I don’t see you catching many with your little short legs and trotters….
” So you say you were in an accident?”
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/4a/6c/4a6c2ce9e693f3657993978d03036e4e.jpg?itok=i0Dz_u6q
Actually I hate torts
I do real estate and hope to break into other fields
but not ambulance chasing….lol
He’s gonna represent hookers and women who want to walk around topless with the hope one day pantless. LOL
Jake Plummer has never been a good comparison to Tannehill
I remember Plummer as a gambler
his ration of TD:INT was 1:1 in his career
and Tannehill is higher than 2:1 I think so far.
Its a pretty drastic difference
I think Omar only sees white guys that move well..lol He also makes Alex Smith comparisons
Their skill set is pretty much the same. Both mobile, throw well on the run, good on bootlegs etc. Mentality is different.
Yeah SB
I expect to have plenty of time early for Porcine Oddyssey….lol
Piggy, that’s great. Wish you the best of luck. My guess is you won’t be blogging much but when you do you won’t have to answer to anyone. 🙂
You can have a poster on the wall that says the 7 Samurai according to Piggy. LO
this probably doesn’t work well as a law firm logo…
Unless you represent disgruntled illustrators and cartoonists. LOL
Tim Knight says:
January 4, 2016 at 11:40 am (Edit)
He’s gonna represent hookers and women who want to walk around topless with the hope one day pantless. LOL
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Gotta start somewhere
and for me its topless hookers!
OH! Now I understand why we didn’t have to go through the Roonie Rule with our new GM….SHM at my ignorance. LOL
Yeah, the fact that some people don’t see a problem with this is troubling. I get the Rooney Rule, but I mean this is not fair in any way.
I like the intent
I don’t like the way the rule is actually done
I was dreading coming into work today but I haven’t really accomplished much and it seems everyone else in on a holiday hangover so it hasn’t been that bad.
I’m having a similar experience
except I gave my notice this morning
Must be nice on some levels. I’ve been making an exit plan for some time now but maybe this’ll be the year. Too many factors to make it a simple act though.
Better Call Piggy, instead of Better Call Saul 😀
better call Hog.
There ya go….bingo. It could also double as a phone sex line too.
Greg Roman & Rob Chudzinski are guys I’d seriously look at too.
Roman is a great architect of the run game & has groomed well under Harbaugh & Rexy.
Chud is kind of the innovator of the 2 TE sets that has become so prevalent.
The 2 TE set has been around a lot longer than Chud.
I don’t think the challenge is to fix Tannehill, it’s to take his game to the highest level he’s capable of.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article52865630.html
There is nothing to fix when it comes down to it
He has to do some things at a higher level
He’s not necessarily doing things wrong – it just needs to be better
Getting him out of this offense we ran the last few years is the best way to start. Our offense yesterday actually resembled a normal offense with only a few quirky things. LOL
SB
I don’t know how it will come together
but I probably should have done it last year
it was way overdue in my case
I just got too comfortable to make the move
getterdone says:
January 4, 2016 at 11:29 am
Rock, I like you man. You are able to fault yourself, and make changes, come back into the fold. You’re a good dude.
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Thanks GD. I can recognize the fault on both sides of the coin. I was just much happier being a clueless homer lollipop and sunshine kid! Everthing is going to be AWESOME this year!
Right On Man! Positive in positive out….repeat after me…..
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Tim, Chud gets a lot of accolades for the way he implemented the 2 TE sets in today’s game.
Okay, innovator just seemed a little extreme.
A prerequisite of any interview should be a genuine hate for WR Screens and running from the shotgun
How about running those a handful of times instead of it being the bread and butter.
That was the foundation of our offense….yuk
I’m not apposed to WR screens, I just don’t want to see them EVERY SERIES! and especially not when we are 3rd & 18!
Exactly! So many down and distant calls were just dumb.
On 3rd and really long
I don’t have a problem with it so much
screens get players in the open field and they can convert 1std downs that were otherwise unlikely – or they can set up the punt/fg
but on 1st down, in what seemed like every series…
that drove me crazy
1st down WR screen for 1 yard
2nd down run from shotgun for 1 yard
Now convert 3rd and 8….over and over again
Piggy, Again I think of names like Chud, Mike Shula, Greg Roman, Doug Marrone when you want to get away from that type of offense.
Tim
Is M13 freaking out about Shanahan and his 2nd interview?
I haven’t seen him touch on it. LOL
I hope the next HC says to Grier…Can you get me a full back?
That’s being racist! C’mon Rock.
Oops, just put my glasses on. Thought you said full black. My bad. 😯
Piggy
Know what? We ran the screen better than we ever have this year. I just think it was way too much of a staple, and almost like a bread and butter play for us.
I was just about to say
I can’t remember getting a big play out of the WR screen
last year I remember Wallace getting some big yardage
but we ran it way too much this year
and teams knew it as our bread and butter
I like the way Tanny was hitting the backs out in the flats and down the sidelines yesterday. We need more of that besides the screens cause the LB’s & safeties will over shoot. Takes a decent pass protection tho. We got some yesterday.
I remember Marron running a lot of RB screens with Buffalo
but it wasn;t anywhere near what we do
in oir offense it seems like every play is designed to get the ball to a receiver along the boundaries
we didn’t really use the middle of the field much
Piggy
It’s not always about getting big plays with the screen. We used it like a running play, just getting the ball into Landry’s hands so he can get 5-10 yards.
I don’t see the screen pass as a substitute for a running game
I see teams do it well and get 5-6 yards on 1st down
but when you do them as much as we did them – it becomes a lot easier to defend
I don’t like Roman or Chud as OCs. I just don’t see them having an epiphany at the HC level.
Yeah, our WR screens were too predictable and too often. Other teams run them a lot, but better executed.
RB screens I like. It gets the OL out moving and the backs with a head of steam. It’s an extension of the running game. The WR bubble screens feel like something bad can happen too often or very little gain.
I am always waiting for a DB to jump it and turn it into a pick 6, or in the very least an offensive pass interference call..LOL
Tim
I can just picture him losing his shit with “Shanadouche”. I think it’s funny we’ve actually interviewed and have a 2nd one set. lol
sb7, Ya don’t like Roman as an OC? He beat us up pretty good twice this season with Tyrod Taylor, Richie & Co.
Dragging Rexxie behind his back! 😉
Beating the Dolphins twice a year isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement especially after you telling us repeatedly how bad the team around Tannehill was.
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There is no perfect way to implement the intentions of the Rooney Rule, but I have no problem with it whatsoever. As a heterosexual white male, I wonder why so many white males have problems with any rule that acknowledges the social realities and wrongs that have been perpetuated for generations in our society and fears so deeply any attempts to rectify them.
Todd Bowles deserved his shot with the Jets, but may never have gotten it if it wasn’t for the Rooney rule making him a regular interviewee for HC positions for a couple years in a row. That’s an example of it working. Yes, there’s probably some flaws in implementation but as I said, there is no magic wand for that.
there are different ways to implement those intentions
in different industries employers do things like have job fairs to promote diversity
I guess that would be impossible to do in the NFL
a job like that does not function like most jobs – there are a small list of desirable candidates
and its less about reaching disenfranchise communities
the Rooney rule, as I understand it, requires a team to interview 1 minority candidate – and hard and fast quotas to be met usually are treated with a hostility
but the rule in the NFL’s case is really there to change the way of thinking of the NFL owners
and when you think about it – we only talk about candidates based on reputation
so it forces a few names into the mix that would not be traditionally spoken about
but something about quotas does rum me the wrong way
So I do understand why people have issues with the rule
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 8m8 minutes ago
AFC East looks: Miami requesting HC interviews with Pats OC Josh McDaniels, Pats DC Matt Patricia, Bills asst HC Anthony Lynn, per sources.
Anthony Lynn…sheesh.
sb7, ok then, you win. Roman & Chud both suck. Next….
You know you don’t always have to represent someone else’s argument as an extreme? I didn’t say they sucked. I just don’t think they are prime candidates, which btw, I don’t see elsewhere either. I’ve said many times the coaching pool in the NFL is really shallow.
1st down WR screen for 1 yard
2nd down run from shotgun for 1 yard
Now convert 3rd and 8….over and over again
That is not a joke either! They showed a stat during the game yesterday. our AVERAGE 3rd down yardage was 8 to go!
I know
I really felt like we were gaining 4 yards then losing two yards pretty consistently
or losing two yards, then gaining 4
or gaining 1 yard then gaining another
the design of the offense was to force the offense to convert 3rd downs
but I don’t think they intended it to be 3rd and 8….lol
‘I am so sick of the carousel every 3-4 years. Rinse Repeat, Rinse Repeat.’
and thus the problem, they were doing it wrong. it is wash rinse repeat. the problem is they have never washed.
problem solved
and its a softner too
our team is already too soft!
To be clear, I am not against the Rooney Rule. I just has assumed we had side stepped it somehow when we just promoted Grier. (I didn’t know Grier was black) I thought we skirted the rule with our interim coaches too, but maybe the rules are different for interim guys promoted from within….
The reason we were permitted to hire Grier with no further interviews is b/c his interview satisfied the Rooney Rule
So we actually complied with the rule
the rule doesn’t not require a hiring
just an interview (I think)
so when the top candidate is a minority, a team will always comply with the Rooney rule
as far as I know the rule requires an interview with one minority candidate
it does not require multiple interviews
if we would have hired Bowles after he was an interim coach
and not interviewed anyone else – we also would have satisfied the rule then
Jahn, What’s next, catholics before jewish candidates, southerners before northerners, women, before men, where does it end….lol
I do get your point and it’s a decent one. But when too many rules are imposed on society it tends to ruin the whole original intent of free enterprise. The cream usually will always rise to the top regardless.
Oh well. It’s in place and teams seem to find a way to deal with it both genuinely & less than in many cases.
As long as both sides, the minority & majority side doesn’t feel it a slap in the face then I guess it’s working to a degree.
We make arbitrary decisions all the time in society, and in life in general. What behavior from our puppy merits a treat? Where does it stop?
Because one arbitrary decision will lead to others is not a reason to avoid drawing those lines. Judgment is what has to govern the “where does it stop”, just like judgment governs every other decision every made…including the poor ones.
Albeit I think I am in agreement with most of what you are saying
when it comes to race – we do not permit arbitrary decisions
its supposed to be a hard line
(in theory) everyone has equal opportunity
when you create rules to combat lack of equal opportunity in practice or tradition or custom or whatever leads to inequality – the goal needs to be to preserve equal opportunity, including for the majority races, genders, religion, etc.
so that is the thing about quotas…they don’t do that
And PS, the antithesis of a society of rules is anarchy. Unless you arbitrarily decide where the rules MUST exist, that’s where you’ll end up.
You have to have basic rules but also basic freedoms.
I’m for neither anarchy nor tyranny. But favor the threat of a civilized anarchy to keep ruling tyranny at bay.
Also, I sense your openmindedness about this…good healthy conversation…cheers GDP…
Thanks. I’m not a caveman, but I play one on a blog….lol
the softner is for your stool Rockphin
Believe me, that is not a problem! LOL
sb7mvp says:
January 4, 2016 at 1:04 pm
You know you don’t always have to represent someone else’s argument as an extreme? I didn’t say they sucked. I just don’t think they are prime candidates, which btw, I don’t see elsewhere either. I’ve said many times the coaching pool in the NFL is really shallow.
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Ok, agreed. It is a scary proposition trying to find ‘THE” coach once again. The pool does look very muddled when you’ve failed so many times since Don Shula.
1st time HC’s, scary, 2nd & 3rd time coaches, scary. No sure formula to go by.
It really has to come down to a well vetted interview process & gut instinct, but that is where this organization has failed as of late, since the Don.
Odds are they’ll eventually hit on something. But will we all still be alive? ..lol 😉
Jahn, a rule that’s unfair is unfair no matter how you slice it. Society being racist or bigoted is another issue.
Piggy, I understand that the requirement was met with ONLY one interview. I just didn’t realize that Grier met the requirement when he was hired because I didn’t know anything about him let alone his race. I was wondering more about our interim guys. I don’t remember us interviewing anyone. We just promoted guys from within.
Let’s say for sake of argument, that we had won every game after Coach Studly took over and we absolutely wanted to keep him and the two promoted coordinators on as full time coaches. Would we be breaking the rule by NOT interviewing a minority applicant beforehand? If so, why wasn’t it a violation IN SEASON?
I think the answer is – Yes it would break the rule
and I don’t know the rules about an interim coach and whether the rooney rule applies to a mid season “interim” coach but I’m guessing filling a position temporarily is not what the Rooney rule is designed to stop – so either its specifically says it doesn’t apply to interim jobs – or its known that the league looks the other way
Nobody really cares about hiring some one who will eventually get fired at the end of the day – that is just my speculative answer
My issue was Grier can be hired without any other interviews being conducted. But that’s not the case white candidates. It just seems wrong but I understand why the Rooney Rule was put in place. But it’s not an equal playing field in that instance even though that’s who we wanted to hire from within. I think if you already have someone in the organization you should be able to promote them without that rule. But from the outside, you must use the Rooney Rule. That said I’m not gonna spend all day on it. I said my peace.
As far as I remember no. It doesn’t apply to coaches promoted from within.
I read a comment in an article that because Grier is African American the Dolphins could just hire him.
Ha, Doug Marrone was a scrub player for us back in 1987.
did you “wicky” him? LOL
Well, that’s it> Doug won’t want the job because he is still bitter about us releasing him in ’88. HA!
No got it from this article.
http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/01/04/dolphins-have-interviews-lined-up-with-teryl-austin-adam-gase/
Adam Beasley @AdamHBeasley 3m3 minutes ago
Tannenbaum: Steve Ross will make the final decision on the coach. As for who controls the 53? Not yet decided.
I always feel the HC should have control over the final team. He has to play them and fit his schemes and game plan. Results are ultimately on his watch so if you micro-manage his roster you’re putting him in a bad spot.
So Piggy, in my scenario presented above, we love our promoted interim guys, you think they would have to interview Clem the Janitor for the position before going ahead with the “official” signing of the interim guys to long term contracts?
I think the league would come down pretty hard on them if it wasn;t some one that would be perceived as a serious candidate even though there is already a front runner
so the custodian would not do it
the league rules are broad enough so that the commish has the power to punish some one for violated a rule like the Rooney Rule or how much PSI should be in the football
and then the fed cts can throw out what the NFL does….lol
I’m guessing after the Brady decision, the NFl is kind of the wild west right now with no real rules and no one afraid to challenge the NFL
When I was young I was a industrial products sales mgr for a small locally owned business.
My biggest contract for supplies was the FLA DOT. That one contract alone made up 70% of my yearly income. Was great for years as I won bid after bid, cause our overhead was low.
Then one year, I get a letter from the DOT state of FAL saying that for the new years bid they will now be seeking a minority owned business or giving them a chance whatever.
So I put in my bid, was lower than even my previous years bid that I won, and thought I would still retain the ongoing hefty contract.
BOOM, I lost to a ‘minority’ Indian owed business that had to ship halfway across the state when our warehouse was right in the DOT’s backyard.
…and get this, I found out that minority business on the other coast won the bid with a much higher price. WTF!!!
We were a small ma & pa business trying to feed out families. That made us as much a minority as the others. We weren’t some big conglomerate.
Totally unfair & why I hate this growing BS PC movement in this country!
Ok rant abruptly ended before I say something out of line. Just typing that memory really brought back much buried anger!
Go Phins!
‘cuse the many typos, was typing fast….lol
The Rooney Rule is the NFL’s Affirmative Action….and that’s worked so well for society hasn’t it. 🙄
a white middle age man being against affirmative action? never heard of that one.
Yeah, well I’ve heard from many black people that don’t like it either. It’s a slap in the face, it’s coddling, it still keeps a foot on their throat pointing out that they can’t stand on their own. It’s a form of governmental control.
These are their words not mine.
Jahndoh30 says:
January 4, 2016 at 12:49 pm
There is no perfect way to implement the intentions of the Rooney Rule, but I have no problem with it whatsoever. As a heterosexual white male, I wonder why so many white males have problems with any rule that acknowledges the social realities and wrongs that have been perpetuated for generations in our society and fears so deeply any attempts to rectify them.
not sure what sexual orientation has to do with this. and i also am a white male and have no problem with the idea of interviewing the best possible candidate for a job. but when a rule is in place that discriminates against one race or another it is a bad rule. when elements of society want preferential treatment because of what the deem is necessary because of their difference from the majority, then they are asking for a separation of themselves. i am by no means saying if it is right or wrong just if a person is asking for special treatment then dont say you want to be treated as an equal.
as far as the rooney rule. i think any owner that would not interview a candidate because of his race would be what OD likes to scream, the worst owner in football.
Right, it totally keeps minorities in their place as a minority that needs something from somebody.
Greg Likens @GregLikens 15s16 seconds ago
Mike Tannenbaum confirms that Mike Shanahan will interview with the #Dolphins tomorrow
He’ll be wearing Al Jolson black face….lol
I think the Rooney Rule is fine, still appropriate, but like any rule, it has it’s flaws. Still, the spirit of the rule is correct IMO
I read a comment in an article that because Grier is African American the Dolphins could just hire him and not have to go through any other interviews. Not the Rooney Rule in general. That statement for Grier just looks wrong because it is.
I read that
I guess its too much to ask the writer to say “because he was African American, the interview satisfied the Rooney Rule”
I think the communicates a different idea, even though its not perfect
Greg Likens @GregLikens 2m2 minutes ago
Chris Grier confirms he will be involved in the search for the #Dolphins next head coach. Says relationship between he & the HC is important
It’s very important. Glad he is in the process. But what’s odd is that this may eliminate said top candidates that already had their own GM’s in mind to bring with them.
Hope this Tbomb way works out finally.
PhinsPhocus.com @Phins_Phocus 28s28 seconds ago
I’ll say this, Steve Ross and Mike Tannenbaum got this one right with Chris Grier. He’s comes across calm, motivated, and honest. Sincere.
Because Hickey was a maniac, lazy and a liar? LOL
LOL, smokin weed and throwing dice with the players in the locker room.
Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP 57s58 seconds ago
Grier also says he’s a firm believer in roster competition. He wants QB competition for Tannehill. Says he even wants competition for Suh.
What GM isn’t?
Well there is the future health of my TV!
LOL, is Tbomb a Ventriloquist?
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Campbell: Hey good afternoon Mr. Suh. Look, we both know you really like me & want me to remain HC. So I’m gonna need you to go over to Tbomb’s ofc and threaten to eat his children after crush his skull if he doesn’t hire me longterm, Ok?
Suh: Ok boss, sure boss. I go now. Which way is Tbomb’s ofc? Want me to stop by Ross’s too?
I have a felling
we will hire shanahan
When you bring in a candidate like that with his resume
I think your mind is made up
I think the other interviews are just about doing what the nfl expects you to do in the process
He’s going to have to sell them. He might not be a god fit for them
a god fit is a lot to live up to….lol
I don’t think so. I think you have to take a guys temperature, see where he’s at, how flexible he seems, what his philosophies are etc. It’s possible you’re right, but just because he’s undoubtedly qualified, it doesn’t mean he’s a good fit here.
Mike Shanahan: Look you lil pussies, I’ve forgotten more about football than you’ll ever know. I was winning championships while you were still shitting in your diapers. Now do I have the job or not?
LOL @ Rock on “Clem the Janitor”
LOL @ Piggy on “so the custodian would not do it”
Is it just me or does Clem sound more like an old white hillbilly janitor? Or am I being too stereotypical? 😉
So other than some issues I have with the Rooney Rule, I’m happy for Chris Grier. He’s been in this business his whole life and likely earned it. He grew up in it. His father Bobby Grier is in the same business, Pats and now Texans.
I hope he kicks ass and hits on some future pro bowler type in every draft.
The rooney rule isn’t exactly classic affirmative action
when we first started seeing affirmative actions anywhere (not just the NFL)
it was just plain and simple and required quotas to be met
and that is expressly a violation of the 14th amendment
so govt agencies can’t do it
and not just that employees who weren’t hired b/c of race have a case against an employer who does it under the Civil Rights Act
bringing diversity into the workplace eventually evolved from hiring quotas to interviews (like the Rooney Rule) but that is far from the custom in most industries today
Nowadays there is a lot more emphasis on community outreach programs to diversify the workplace
It would be an understatement to call being a HC a unique job
You can’t implement some sort of outreach program…lol
So I don’t know what the NFl is supposed to do
If they did nothing (which they once did) do you think minority candidates would have been given chances?
the answer to me to that is clear – no fucking way
doing nothing and hoping people doing the hiring will change the way they do things, is not a solution (I am assuming everyone here recognizes there was a problem pre-Rooney rule)
Thank God for lawyers & long dissertations. 😀
Mike E. says:
January 4, 2016 at 1:58 pm (Edit)
I don’t think so. I think you have to take a guys temperature, see where he’s at, how flexible he seems, what his philosophies are etc. It’s possible you’re right, but just because he’s undoubtedly qualified, it doesn’t mean he’s a good fit here.
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yeah but he is on interview #2
and you can get a lot of that info from him over the phone and from people around him (like agents)
actually bring that kind of candidate for a sift down sounds pretty serious to me
I’m sure it is serious. I doubt they’re drinking beers, smoking cigars and playing poker. LOL
That is what I do on my interviews….
what?
Piggy,
You keep bringing up quotas, but the Rooney rule stops short of that. I’m not following why you don’t like the rule, is it because it stops short of quotas (drawing that binary line between equality and inequality you alluded too) or is it because it requires a team to actually address it?
To me it’s imperfect, but it’s an effort in the right direction. The goal is culture change and I think its done a decent job of that. Before it was instituted guys like Tony Dungy couldn’t even get an interview. It’s truly created a better attempt at “best man gets the job” because now some of the best guys who wouldn’t normally be interviewed are actually getting that opportunity.
Best of luck on your new venture btw…good on ya.
I’m a little on the fence about the rule
so I am probably not communicating my problem well
Its a quota for an interview
not a quota for a job
that the difference
see my 2:04 post
I don’t know what the alternative would be in that particular industry
I get the criticism though
I would not be happy with nothing done about the way the NFL was prior to the rooney rule
Tim
They hired a guy from within their own organization, and because he’s black, it satisfied the Rooney Rule which requires you to interview a black candidate. You can say that’s a flaw of the rule, because in a way it is, if they had a white candidate from within they knew they wanted, it seems silly to have to interview a black candidate, BUT . . . Just meeting that black candidate could sometimes mean something for the future if he’s a good candidate. It’s not perfect, but no rule is.
That’s all I’m saying. Like I said I don’t want to spend a lot of time on it. I’m happy for Grier.
I think the way the article was written which mentions it – was probably not very good wording
It might have been an Armando article.
Mike Francesa just reiterated that no coach who has won a SB with one team has never won another one with another team. Whatever you think about that, just remember nobody has ever done it.
…and I reiterate that there isn’t many examples to go by. Most SB winning HC’s don’t get fired and are longterm with their teams.
Odds are somebody is due before too long. Records are made to be broken.
Yeah and I’m sure our team will be the one of break that trend. LOL
Maybe someday there will be a Shanahan Rule, that you have to interview a candidate with a red face. lol
Our next head coach
Cannibal or got her red wings?
She’s hot, or at least she looks like she’s hot.
Snyder got his blood pressure shooting thru the roof.
Mike E. says:
January 4, 2016 at 1:58 pm (Edit)
I don’t think so. I think you have to take a guys temperature, see where he’s at, how flexible he seems
so basically mikes interview goes like this
candidate: hi guys, hey what is that thermometer for
tbaum: we are about so see how flexible you are, now drop your drawers
Gil Brandt ✔ @Gil_Brandt
Happy birthday to the great @DonShula. Born in Grand River, Ohio, 86 years ago today.
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Happy BDay coach. Miss the glory days.
Rob
I figured someone would figure a way to jump on that, and I’m not the least bit surprised or disappointed that it was you. lol
Jahndoh30 says:
January 4, 2016 at 12:49 pm
There is no perfect way to implement the intentions of the Rooney Rule, but I have no problem with it whatsoever. As a heterosexual white male, I wonder why so many white males have problems with any rule that acknowledges the social realities and wrongs that have been perpetuated for generations in our society and fears so deeply any attempts to rectify them.
Todd Bowles deserved his shot with the Jets, but may never have gotten it if it wasn’t for the Rooney rule making him a regular interviewee for HC positions for a couple years in a row. That’s an example of it working. Yes, there’s probably some flaws in implementation but as I said, there is no magic wand for that.
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First i would like to say i have 0 issues with the Rooney rule, other than a continued feeling that its needed. I understand the purpose of the rule, i understand where it comes from and what it represents, but i also think there are some things where if we dont start putting our past as past, we will never have a better future.
If you look at the NFL right now i dont think you can say that a coaching candidate, just because he is black, is going to be considered inferior, nor do i think a rule forcing someone to interview at least one minority candidate is going to get more minorities hired, if indeed you still believe bias exists. Truthfully the rule doesnt ensure they will be hired, its not a quota system., if just ensures they get a interview. If we still are biased and racists as you say then it wont get them hired because they will just interview them and then hire someone else. If there does not exist such bias that a person would actually get hired, then the rule by itself is bogus because they would have gotten their shot anyways.
Bowles is a prime example of it. Just because he got the interview with us, did not get him hired. They still hired who they wanted to, despite if you feel it was done because of social injustice or not. Likewise when he got the interview with the Jets it was because he was a top candidate, not just to satisfy the Rooney rule. He got the job on merit, as he should have, and no bias stepped in the way of him getting it.
Prejudice and racism does still exist today, but partially due to rules like this, it lives on. I dont see color in candidates of whom i think will best represent our team as its next coach, and i dont think Ross or many other owners feel that way today. Look at the legacy of successful black coaches, the NFL MAY have discriminated in its past, but owners, who care about asses in seats, and asses are in seats because of W’s not color of coaches. Tomlin, Dungy, Lovie Smith, Caldwell, Crenel, soon to be Hue Jackson, etc…..its not a short list.
So i guess im saying it doesnt matter if the rule exists, but it certainly doesnt protect candidates from racism and prejudice, it just gives the illusion of it.
FFR,
I brought up sexuality because being a “White, heterosexual male” officially puts me in the crosshairs of an unprotected group. If I were gay, I’d be considered a minority group (or at least a special interest group depending on how one would choose to label it).
I assumed you brought up sexuality to appeal to FFRob who encourages the use of the word sex in all its forms and is just generally a pervert who is probably sitting on a sybian right now
If you are reading an article
and it says
“hey b/c Grier is black, the Dolphins don’t have to look at anyone else”
that gives the impression that no one else was considered at b/c the guy we looked at was black
or worse that he was hired b/c of his race
and that its not recipricol
so its makes it seem unfair to the reader
but If you were to say “the Dolphins satisfied the league’s Rooney rule when they hire Grier”
I don’t think its sound so controversial
b/c no one gives a shit about league rules and hiring
and when you see they hired a guy from within you don’t question why they liked him
its just semantics
but I think things like that matter
This is the last I’ll say about it. If we wanted to hire our Director of Player Personnel Joe Schoen for GM, we would have had to interview Chris Grier or another minority candidate as well. But not the other way around. Maybe I just hate that it has to be done like this because of the issues we have in society.
Mike E is here to take your temperature Shanhan
can you sign “moon river” for us
jahn and piggy,
both of you alluded to this, and i have no way of knowing, but i would like to think in this day and age that without the rule, that owners would still be interviewing and hiring the best person for any job. i get back in the culverhouse days it was the good ole boy factory. but i think the nfl is a different place now and the owners would without the rule hire the best person. remember there was a time they wouldnt draft black qb’s. there is no rule in place for that and look around at how that changed.
the nfl isnt like running a business. it is a very competitive game and the outcome is to win. the outcome of a business isnt to win just to be successful. i would think owners would do what is right if there goal is to win.
Read what i posted above. Rooney rule doesnt help or hurt anything. Racist will be racist and not hire them. Non-racsist will still hire the best candidate. It does nothign so it shouldn’t be something people are pissed about or not, i just find it sad it has to still exist to continue the thought we are so divided.
I think the pats DC would be a better choice for HC than their OC. Mcdouche just sucks.
We should be interviewing the best candidates no matter if its all black list or an all white list.
That I agree with.
D
I’m sorry, I categorically reject any argument that says rules like this are the reason racism exists. Racism has run rampant through human history long before ink and paper, long before formal governance, and long before modern day America.
Racism exists because humans have a natural fear of those who are different than us. It’s got it’s roots in pre-historic and pre-civilized times, not in rules like this.
As far as your assertion that if the rule didn’t exist there wouldn’t be a problem, I would ask you to tell me what ground breaking changes have been made since 2003 when the rule existed and coaches were 6% of the total coaching ranks…and today, post Rooney rule when 22% of the coaches are minorities?
LOL @ “categorically reject”. Sounds like you’re testifying in a senate hearing.
Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
Owner Steve Ross says #Dolphins need “a culture change”
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Ok sure, how bout a culture of Winning. Nix the orange shag carpet, the celeb minority owners, the 4pm games so nobody gets too hot, etc etc.
Just out
Giants will not retain Tom Coughlin as head coach
I would take coughlin over shanny in a heartbeat.
tannenbaums interviewing tool
D,
i did, i read it after i posted my comment. i think we are kind of on the same page
This guy qualifies for the Lrooney Ruhe.
Can he coach?
Jahndoh30 says:
January 4, 2016 at 2:28 pm
D
I’m sorry, I categorically reject any argument that says rules like this are the reason racism exists.
jahn,
first, racism existed long before these rules. that anyone would agree with. but here is the difficult part, rules that dictate how a minority should be given preferential treatment over as you put it a heterosexual white male do add to fueling those that are racist. i am not saying the rules are right or wrong, but the rules do add fuel to the racist agendas.
We need to be in a world absent of rules to tell us how we should know to behave. Once there are no more of these rules we will have arrived and i think continuing to add more and more rules like this does indeed push a divisionist agenda.
Not sure who I want as HC….
I would be all in for Chip, but reading about the way things went down in Philly has me worried. I actually like Omar’s suggestion of Gary Patterson, but doesn’t seem like that’s going to be an option anyway. Urban Meyer? No chance there.
I don’t know enough about Gase to really give a strong opinion. Not loving the idea of another rookie HC. Mixed feeling about Shannahan, but mostly negative. Not like we are a top landing spot and have our pick of coaches though.
Haven’t been that impressed with Mora Jr at UCLA. He’d be average at best, IMO. Campbell is a great guy to root for, but he’s clearly not ready to be a HC.
Mike Shula? Chuck Pagano? Hue Jackson? Chudzinski? Marrone?
No, No, no, no & NO! who else you got? LOL
Jahndoh30 says:
January 4, 2016 at 2:28 pm
D
I’m sorry, I categorically reject any argument that says rules like this are the reason racism exists. Racism has run rampant through human history long before ink and paper, long before formal governance, and long before modern day America.
Racism exists because humans have a natural fear of those who are different than us. It’s got it’s roots in pre-historic and pre-civilized times, not in rules like this.
As far as your assertion that if the rule didn’t exist there wouldn’t be a problem, I would ask you to tell me what ground breaking changes have been made since 2003 when the rule existed and coaches were 6% of the total coaching ranks…and today, post Rooney rule when 22% of the coaches are minorities?
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First i would say to keep a rule like the Rooney rule in place does keep racism alive, i think it continues to predicate the notion that we cant act as human beings and treat each other fairly, that we have to have rules do it for us. To me there will never be a belief that we consider each equal, just that we follow the rules. Would you feel like we were closer as races if no rule existed and on its own, people treated each other fairly or because we just did it not to get in trouble?
Secondly, i didnt say if there was no rule there would be no problem, i said that existance of the rule doesnt solve the problem. I hold very firmly to that. Show me where just because Rooney rule exists, ANY of the minority coaches got their jobs. The rule does not say that a job has to be given to them, just that they get an interview. In the past i can see how, since there were none, the rule might have been there to ensure they got a chance, but ater years of proof by minority coaches and their successes, and failures for that matter, what we have learned is what we should have already known, there is no difference in coaching ability based on color of skin.
Paint me however ya want, i know what you think of me, you generally promote yourself as more evolved, or socially aware than me, but i am very socially aware, and i have 0 racism in my heart, i think i can spot when things still make a difference and when they dont. I dont really need you to tell me i cant.
D says:
January 4, 2016 at 2:27 pm
We should be interviewing the best candidates no matter if its all black list or an all white list.
Black or white, it doesn’t matter. As long as the guy doesn’t have red hair I’m ok with it……….What?
Someone say all Blacklist?
One thing about coughlin is that belicheat would be scared of playing him every year. Coughlin is belicheats’ Kryptonite.
Racism and nepotism both exist. We tend to go with those similar to us, because we’re comfortable with it.
gdp,
I highly doubt it’ll be mike shula. He says he doesn’t want to interview until the panthers season is done which could be February.