Last game of the season. It turned out a lot different than what we all had hoped for a few short months ago. Even though it won’t matter, I hope they manage to somehow pull off a miracle and win this game. It would make this long off season ahead a little easier.
For those who are observant, you’ll notice the record is wrong, I set this up at the same time as last weeks game. It’s hard to whip up much enthusiasm so I thought I’d go ahead and get it out of the way. We probably lost last week anyway.
Let’s Go Dolphins.
Finsmob Unleashed 
Then you have awful form and are going to hurt your back.
drg says:
January 4, 2016 at 2:41 pm
Not sure who I want as HC….
my vote if for Mike E. then maybe he wont have any time to do that damn ask mike e article.
Coughlin just quit
Jahn,
Dungy was a coach before the Rooney rule and he got interviews beforehand. I’m not saying it invalidates what you are saying but I see people go to Dungy as an example in this debate all the time and he’s not applicable. I can post more about the history of the rule and it’s time line when I get home. I just hate typing these things on my phone.
Ex-Giants coach Tom Coughlin is open to continuing his career.
Both ESPN’s Adam Schefter and NFL.com’s Ian Rapoport have reported so. Coughlin’s departure from the Giants has been termed a resignation, not a retirement. Coughlin turns 70 in August, but perhaps he could interest a team that believes it’s close to competing. We ultimately suspect Coughlin won’t be on the sidelines in 2016.
finfanrob says:
January 4, 2016 at 2:27 pm (Edit)
jahn and piggy,
both of you alluded to this, and i have no way of knowing, but i would like to think in this day and age that without the rule, that owners would still be interviewing and hiring the best person for any job. i get back in the culverhouse days it was the good ole boy factory. but i think the nfl is a different place now and the owners would without the rule hire the best person. remember there was a time they wouldnt draft black qb’s. there is no rule in place for that and look around at how that changed.
the nfl isnt like running a business. it is a very competitive game and the outcome is to win. the outcome of a business isnt to win just to be successful. i would think owners would do what is right if there goal is to win.
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assuming that attitudes change for the better and will continue to do things
they are very slow to catch up in some instances
but I’m not sure attitudes are always changing to end discrimination
I don’t really see it as a dying way to think
I think discrimination is here to stay and if there are no efforts to stop it – it will always rear its head
But I am a cynic on almost every topic and racism is no exception
So I’m sure most people will disagree with that idea
frankly I think we are a more racist society now than we were 10 years ago
But when it comes to hiring people more importantly I think people engage in acts that lead to disparities without even intending to do it
I think its just the way people interact with one another
and there is no malicious intent but it leads to an uneven playing field sometimes
I don’t even like to use the word racists to describe it
an NFL owner comes from a different background than most of us as well
they are usually older and not exactly middle class
which makes them a little less fluid in terms of cultural norms that become mainstream
so sometimes prejudice rears its head where it would not to most people
I agree with your business model point. I think owners see green when it comes down to it. But its the perception of who will bring them that green that matters and that perception has not traditionally lead to a great deal of minority hirings.
fighting that perception is kind of the difference between an outreach program and an interview quota or a quota to hire some one. It forces a person to sit with some one they would have dismissed before they really knew them – and maybe it changes their mind about their initial instinct – which may have not been racism, but not exactly head coach material…
Piggy, discrimination, racism and bigotry is a world issue and not exclusive to America.
I just saw a piece on Real Sports where a very good black soccer player gets bananas thrown at him and monkey chants all over the world. Then they interview this English soccer guy and he outright says black players born and raised in England or not should not be on English teams because they’re really not English.
I agree
Miami Dolphins ✔ @MiamiDolphins
Grier recently finished his 16th season with the team and ninth as our Director of College Scouting.
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We’ve had a lot of failed draft picks over that time. Ross, ya sure you & Tbomb think this guy has the goods?
I’ve been waiting for this to get brought up. You think he was the guy who had all the questionable picks? Also he never made the final selections.
This sort of thing gets brought up with GMs and coaches all the time. People look at stats and start attributing everything to these guys at lesser roles with their teams. LOL
My trotters are tired
I’m done typing ont he subject
I have to check out for a while and get some work done
catch up later
good luck Saul. 😉
Polls
The Dolphins will finish the season:
9-7
8-8
7-9
6-10
5-11
I’m not going to watch these fuckfaces play another game!
Vote
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I just clicked on 6-10 on the blog poll. In upper right corner of page.
tim this is for you.
Mike Smith first candidate interviewing with the Miami Dolphins. He is being interviewed today as we speak.
Was just about to post that. LOL
That’s the death nail being interviewed first in a long line of candidates.
it’s the smith rule 🙂
Charley Casserly ✔ @CharleyCasserly
My first two calls for Head Coaching interviews would be #Bengals Hue Jackson and former Bills HC Doug Marrone.
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Says the guy who drafted Heath Shuler. lol
He’s right. I think we should interview both.
GDP,
Mike Shula? Chuck Pagano? Hue Jackson? Chudzinski? Marrone?
Shula would be a feel good story, but I don’t think he is anything special and he flamed out at Alabama. Pagano has fire, but Indy struggled with/without Luck. Jackson might be the best of this bunch, IMO. No to Chud. Marrone should be able to get our defense back on track.
FFR,
I’m 100% in with Mike E as HC as long as I can be quality control over the cheerleaders for 1 mil/year.
No thanks to Mike Smith.
getterdone says:
January 4, 2016 at 3:17 pm
That’s the death nail being interviewed first in a long line of candidates.
Hello Mike? This is Mike Tannenbum I wanted to ask you to interview for the Head Coach position here in miami.
Mike Smith – Have you interviewed anyone else yet?
T-bum – No you are my first call
MIke Smith – Ahhhhhh, ummmmm can we reschedule for later in the week?
LOL
Mike Smith – He Mike, can you hold on a second? The New York Giants are calling on the other line…
drg
you can be quality control over the cheerleaders. no problem. but just so you know i am going to be their strength and conditioning coach. i am the one that gets to put them thru workouts.
drg, LOL @ how people still go way back to Alabama to judge Mike Shula.
Tannenbaum during coaching interviews.
http://bloguin.com/lambethfield/wp-content/uploads/sites/62/2012/08/rb.jpe
Tannenbaum during coaching interviews.
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coughlin just quit
I heard he was asked to “retire” by the team and decided to “resign” instead.
Re-signed which is a PR move.
resigned
Im afraid he might be burnt out on football, too much to take on what we have for him to deal with.
Tim Knight says:
January 4, 2016 at 3:14 pm
I’ve been waiting for this to get brought up. You think he was the guy who had all the questionable picks? Also he never made the final selections.
This sort of thing gets brought up with GMs and coaches all the time. People look at stats and start attributing everything to these guys at lesser roles with their teams. LOL
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I think any dude that was digging so deep that he found talent out of Mairst is doing a pretty decent job. I actually like a lot of the scouting we have done in the past, he seems to turn up some good candidates, that we rarely draft lol.
We are king of the acorns. 😉
getterdone says:
January 4, 2016 at 3:27 pm
drg, LOL @ how people still go way back to Alabama to judge Mike Shula.
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Well, people here go back to 1972 – 1973 when talking about his dad but he couldn’t do it again….
getterdone says:
January 4, 2016 at 3:09 pm
good luck Saul. 😉
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When he made his announcement on the previous page that pretty much where my mind went lol.
In stead of “better call Saul” maybe his catch phrase should be “just scream BACON!”
LOL, good one….or Been busted by the pigs? Let Flying Piggy set you free. Call 800-Oink Oink
Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
#Dolphins’ next head coach will inherit a gutted roster, have little power, and face tons of pressure to win.
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LMAO, does this guy read what he writes?
Isn’t that every coaching job in the NFL. Its not like sun sentinal where any hack can get a sports column job.
1) False 2) How do you know Omarko 3) so does every NFL coach lol.
Its only going to get gutted if the guy coming in needs to to get his system implemented.
When it’s not like this he’ll open up another fortune cookie for reasoning. LOL
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer 38m38 minutes ago
And before you even muddy things with details, know this: The Giants job is widely considered the brass ring of coaching jobs in the sport.
Word is that Sean Payton is eye balling that situation as we type.
How did this team get to a Superbowl in 1982? David Woodley, ranked last in the league with 1,401 total yards, 8 touchdowns, and 13 interceptions. Of course as we know they lost, but HOW DID THEY GET THERE with Woodley tossing more picks than TD’s?
defense and a real running game.
our leading rusher had 701 yards..
Oh wait, I just realized that was the strike shortened year so all stats were condensed! DOH!
D says:
January 4, 2016 at 3:42 pm
Its only going to get gutted if the guy coming in needs to to get his system implemented.
D, we are currently like $5M over the cap next year. We are going to have to cut some players and restructure some contracts….A LOT of them.
As do a lot of teams, including some of the current playoff contenders that will be keeping their HC.
yeah, but we are losing 4-5 starters to free agency next year and only have 6 draft picks to replace starters with….
2nd-4th year guys are stepping up too. Some FA’s may restructure to stay as well.
Charley Casserly ✔ @CharleyCasserly
I like #Dolphins hire of Chris Grier as GM He had a gd interview with Jets last yr for GM job. Exc evaluator of people and players
Hal Habib @gunnerhal
ESPN: Dolphins want to interview Pats DC Matt Patricia. Because you can’t get enough Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Engineers in Davie.
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This guy let the Phins score 20 points on them. No Way! 😉
He loses to the Dolphins at least once a year! Pass LOL
BoulderPhinfan says:
January 4, 2016 at 3:46 pm
defense and a real running game.
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So you are saying we have a chance with Tannehill at QB? LOL J/K BB
1 in a million. 🙂
Rock, how did you come up with us having 6 picks?
I’m sorry, We have 8 picks this year. I thought we had given one up this year to move up or something but actually we got an additional round 7 pick for Will Davis.
We’ll all be closely watching the 6th & 2 7th round picks. Future starters. 😉
Andrew Abramson ✔ @AbramsonPBP
Chris Grier asked who will have final say on decisions. Says it’s “an organizational thing” and he doesn’t care. Wants to collaborate.
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Yup, as I’ve previously said in jest, he’s Tbomb’s in house puppet & Hickey didn’t like that. So he mutually decided to part ways.
I really think you guys using words like errand boy and puppet is very disparaging.
Awww, c’mon, I’m just being facetious and a lil snarky.
Andrew Abramson ✔ @AbramsonPBP
Grier on Tannehill: I like Ryan. He’s our guy. Yesterday is a great indication. We can win with Ryan.
….and I don’t give a damn what Miko & Piggy say.
http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/01/03/dolphins-de-cam-wake-wants-to-return-might-be-open-to-restructure/
Andrew Abramson ✔ @AbramsonPBP
Dolphins GM Grier says the defense can be fixed in one offseason
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Well there you have it. Phins are playoff bound baby!
I agree.
GD, Ken was using errand boy the other day so I thought you were on the bandwagon of making Tannenbaum supreme king and nobody else really does anything but get coffee, shine shoes and be his chauffeur. LOL
Nice to be Tannenbaum eh? 😉
Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
My take from today’s press conference: #Dolphins admit to dysfunction inside organization, and clearly want to flush the past.
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But OD’s least favorite turds are still spinning around the bowl & won’t go down.
getterdone says:
January 4, 2016 at 4:01 pm
Andrew Abramson ✔ @AbramsonPBP
Grier on Tannehill: I like Ryan. He’s our guy. Yesterday is a great indication. We can win with Ryan.
….and I don’t give a damn what Miko & Piggy say.
Armondo says ” I will say this: Grier didn’t exactly jump on the Tannehill bandwagon while waving pom-poms.”
Hey Grier go get your shine box!
In response to Tim’s post
LOL/
Is this a Don Shula meme or one for Timothy Leary?
I think the dysfunction starter when we didnt flush fully when we purged Sparano. Ireland carried over dysfunction from that team, then Philbin carried it over after it rubbed off on him. This time Hickey was purged along with the coach to get a cleaner start, so maybe we have finally ended that cycle.
Well as long as we purged the staff that was under Philbin too i mean…sorry GD.
Only guy i would carry over from previous team is Rizzi.
That happens too. Some coaches do carry over.
Tim how about shoeshine boy…is that more appropriate?
Sure, that would be great especially for a black GM.
Look Mom I can land like an airplane. LOL
Ryan T’s typical 4th quarter performance. FACE PLANT.
LOL Sorry guys, I said I was going to stop being a hater, but that pic was too funny.
D says:
January 4, 2016 at 4:25 pm
I think the dysfunction starter when we didnt flush fully when we purged Sparano. Ireland carried over dysfunction from that team, then Philbin carried it over after it rubbed off on him. This time Hickey was purged along with the coach to get a cleaner start, so maybe we have finally ended that cycle.
It’s like Mursa you can’t get rid of it and it spreads like wildfire!
I think Grier had a meeting once with Philbin. We should have him checked.
Chargers fired OC Frank Reich.
We would’ve guessed DC John Pagano as the first to go. Instead, it’s Reich, who coordinated the NFL’s No. 9 offense in total yards but No. 26 offense in points scored. Reich, of course, deserves another chance because his offensive talent was decimated by injury, and still looked like one of the league’s most-prolific units in the first half of the season. Coach Mike McCoy may take back a prominent offensive role with his revised staff.
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An OC that could be considered by our new HC. He knows about running the ball from his days under Marv Levy.
I think Cam Wake will have to take a pay cut, or there’s basically no shot he plays here next year.
Same with Grimes IMO
…nor anywhere. Teams don’t sign 33yo DE’s coming off an achilles tear to a huge or longterm contract.
actually I think he’ll be 34 next season.
Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
I don’t understand this obsession with Dan Campbell. Great guy. But he wasn’t a good head coach. Not even better than Joe Philbin.
As if he’s the guy to determine anything like that. LOL
It really bothers me to agree with the braided coconut, but he is right. We went from one of the lease penalized teams in the league three years running to the most in team history and 4th in the league this year…..
Omar Kelly
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NOTHING that was an issue under Joe Philbin got better under Dan Campbell. And team was very undisciplined (heavily penalized).
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Omar Kelly
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@OmarKelly
I don’t understand this obsession with Dan Campbell. Great guy. But he wasn’t a good head coach. Not even better than Joe Philbin.
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30th in 2012, 32 in 2013 & 30th in 2014 up to 4th in 2015
LOL @ Rock now agreeing with Omar. What’s next, Miko & Bozo the Clown?
LOL
when are you going to change your Avi?
I’ll change my avie if Dan isn’t retained. He’s still interviewing.
Interesting.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/one-year-after-pushing-out-jim-harbaugh–49ers-fire-jim-tomsula-032500963.html
And THEY keep saying we are a dysfunctional team!
Now that is ownership I would be mad about
But they were more successful recently than us
And look at how they fucked it up because it was all about the coach, not them.
I’m like a pregnant woman’s bellybutton. OUT!
Nogtih all!
Take care bud.
At his season-ending press conference, GM Doug Whaley called re-signing free agents LT Cordy Glenn and LG Richie Incognito “major points of emphasis.”
Both Glenn and Incognito are coming off excellent seasons, Glenn as a pass protector and Incognito all around. Incognito, in fact, earned PFF’s No. 2 overall guard rating behind only Ravens RG Marshal Yanda. Glenn turned 26 years old last September. He’ll have a huge market if he makes it there.
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Cordy Glenn is the guy I want in FA. He’s 26. Let’s dump Albert & pay Glenn Albert’s money. 😉
Aggressive game play comes with more penalties. I can accept a few extra penalties from time to time to see them play like men. We did though get more than a few more so it was more sloppy than just aggressive.
Playing the real young depth guys due to injuries etc, also contributes to more penalties.
Jeff Duncan
@JeffDuncan_
Rookie WR final 6 gms (Rec-Yd-TD):
Lockett, SEA 26-356-3
Parker, MIA 22-445-3
Cooper, OAK 21-334-2
G.-Beckham, TEN 17-328-2
What I really like about Parker is his 19.0 YPCA. Also that we run him on slants, crossing routes and down the field. I think he’s going to be a big time player.
Kudos Parker. But how did he avg 19.0 when Tanny can’t throw nothing but dump offs?
We had 8.5 penalties a game in our first four with philbin as the hc and averaged 8.3 in our last 12. I’m pretty sure OV was responsible for half of them.
Him, Jamar Taylor, Suh, and the OL mostly with false starts, holding, hands to the face, illegal formations.
WRs with false starts too.
How did the Pats lose 4 of their last 6 games?
Not the NFL Network is always right, but I was watching and the ticker on the bottom according to a Jeff Darlington report said Dan Campbell will be interviewed Friday, but not considered a viable candidate for the Head Coaching spot
Not viable, then why waste his & everyone else’s’ time interviewing. Just say, beat it pal.
That really makes no sense. Unless it’s just out of respect and to give him the chance to go through the process. But he knows the team so it wouldn’t be like a coach from the outside preparing for an interview. I don’t know.
I think Tim has it. I do think it’s just out of respect.
I’d like to hear his interview. Bet he’s a character that’ll tell em straight up what time it is. No beating around the bush. Mix in a lil table pounding with the fist.
I think its partially out of respect and partially to see what his vision for the team is. Maybe now that the season is over and he has had time to on the job evaluate, that maybe he can convince them he has a concrete idea of what his plan is. Im not counting him out but i think he would have to have a near flawless interview to pull it off.
Reporters edjumucated guess I reckin? 😉
Our cap situation isnt that bad. We carried over over 5mil from last year, so the 5mil over we are currently means we pretty much are dead even. We also have Coples on our team accounting for 7mil, due to his extension, and we are sure to cut or renegotiate with him at a much lower number given he was waiver wire pickup. If we negtiate it down to 2mil, we have enough o pay our rookie class. Everything after that is a give for a take. Cut Grimes, get a top OG. Cut Wake and Jennings, get another OG and an top FA ILB. There is room for us to make significant moves in FA, we will just have to trim the fat.
A few of us have been saying this for awhile now but some people want to harp on Tannenbaum and cap hell.
LOL @ GD on RT and dump offs.
Really nothing wrong with short/intermediate level passing, i definitely dont understand that criticism. Thats playing without our offensive scheme at least when it wasnt being schizophrenic and not knowing which voice to listen to.
Yesterday was tolerable and RT was slinging it.
I hear you guys mentioning dates and times for different interviews, is there a article somewhere mentioning who has been scheduled for interview and when?
There’s a few of them out there will various information.
Not a bad theory!
http://www.thephinsider.com/2015-nfl-mock-drafts/2016/1/4/10709538/nfl-mock-draft-2016-dolphins-looking-to-solidify-secondary-early-in
Before reading this, how would they know? The season just ended and a new GM was just hired.
It’s not rocket science what the Fins need! 😉
Hargreaves is and will be the top of my big board. Im that convinced about the need in our secondary despite who comes in as DC. We will need to draft a ILB somewhere, im thinking round 3ish and we i think can find a real gem there, lots of good ILBs this year, but i also want us to get a ILB in FA. OLB’s are also pretty plentiful in this coming draft, along with DE’s and OT’s. OG’s im holding off on until i can see what kinda offense we will run but if we more to more run based or at least a more man blocking scheme, there are some stud road graters out there.
There are some good CB’s to be had later on also!
Okay folks, catch up later.
Here’s how our FO interview out of respect goes.
Tbomb: Tell us Dan what is your vision for the team moving forward.
Dan: Glad you asked, I got this nice power point presentation that I’ll narrate as we go.
Tbomb: excuse me, I got to take this call. Yes honey, get the kosher dills.
Ok go ahead Dan.
Dan: well like I was saying….
Tbomb: Hey Grier, go get me some coffee. (Shouting over Dan as Grier is fetching coffee) Hey Chris, no sugar….OH and get Dan & Mr. Ross some coffee, OH Wait, BRING Ross some green tea.
Ok so where were we Dan?
Dan: well like I was saying….
Tbomb: Oh geez look at the time, I’m sorry but we’re gonna have to cut this short. Adam Gase & Teryldactil Austin just landed. We’ll get back to ya. (shouting again) Hey Grier, make a copy of Dan’s powerpoint. We’ll go over it if everyone else gets hired somewhere else.
Dan: Ok, I’m outta here you Damn Doofus Brigade!
Hi.
The Dolphins following the same path as before.
The classic Bill Parcells czar model.
Tannenbaum appoints Grier to GM without any competitive process (aka like Parcells & Ireland).
Hickey is probably glad he’s outa here. Probably had a discussion with Tannenbaum and told him “you can go kiss my white tanned ass fatso”
Is about how I see it.
Vic Carucci ✔ @viccarucci
Rex confirms #Bills have granted RB coach Anthony Lynn permission to interview for #Dolphins head-coaching job.
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LMAO, like this guy is better than Dan Campbell….smh!
Going with a guy who has never been GM. Might as well go with a guy who has never been a coordinator let alone a head coach! LOL
We all know Tbomb will be playing the part of GM when it comes to FA’s & then he’ll have final say over draft suggestions as well.
Grier will get to be GM between Oct & Dec.
I doubt the Fins go CB early in the draft; that’s not where the best play is.
The CB in Miami look like shit because the LB can’t do their jobs.
Need LB’s & a good FS & now a DE.
And a qb
Dont know man, kinda hard to stop those receivers getting behind our CB’s when they are man coverage, LB’s dont help or hurt any of that. They also dont stop the 10 yards of soft coverage that some of them seem to give. I have seen nothing but holes in our secondary, only one doing a half ass job in coverage was Jones.
Al
Hickey was never a GM before either.
That’s true but his organization at least won a SB while he was there and also drafted a hall of famer. Might as well add, that he wasn’t a product of the Parcells tree.
The Fins are a joke right now.
Owned by a guy who wanted to buy the Jets first but failed to do so.
Aponte & Tannenbaum came from the Jets mold
And now Grier who’s dad was part of the Pats for a long time is in charge of picking players
All of them with roots from Parcells taint.
That is quite the laundry list of HC candidates we are complling.
Im all for us bringing in a bunch and really seeing which we think has the right ideas for the team. You can dilute your search too much though and you can drag your feet and lose out on the top ones too. It has to have some sense of expediency without being too shallow of a search.
Agreed
For D (sorry for the lag):
“First i would say to keep a rule like the Rooney rule in place does keep racism alive, i think it continues to predicate the notion that we cant act as human beings and treat each other fairly, that we have to have rules do it for us. To me there will never be a belief that we consider each equal, just that we follow the rules.”
I think that’s exactly the point of rules. If people could be trusted to do what’s right they wouldn’t be needed. That IS humanity, acting like human beings includes doing things that in a civilized society is not approved of.
I don’t believe racism can be eliminated, merely overcome. Racism IS being human. Overcoming it IS being evolved and being connected with other human beings. I think it’s virtually inarguable that Bowles got his job because of the Rooney rule, so there’s your example.
Lastly, you started a sentence with “paint me however you like” and I want to be extremely clear, I didn’t paint you with any brush, I merely responded to your post in a civilized way about a topic that’s very important to our ability to succeed as a society. I hold you in high regard, and would never seek to pigeonhole your opinions. I propose this to you and will strive for it myself: Steer clear of feelings of defensiveness. Know that everything we say to each other is said with respect and is intended to illuminate and communicate rather than denigrate, and lets keep talking straight about this topic (if you like). It’s important.
I agree man, sorry to get snippy.
I just think its horrible that rules must govern what a truly compassionate heart already dictates. I think maybe i have a stronger belief in the world we live in and that i feel we are much more evolved than i think you do.
I see things like the Rooney rule nothing but archaic references to a past we should be walking away from not trying hard to remember when it isnt necessary. I have no problem with its existence i just think its detrimental to the evolution of the world.
I promise you Todd Bowles didnt get his job because of the Rooney rule, he got it because he was an awesome candidate. To me its a bigger win that Bowles can earn it, get it and succeed in the face of prejudice, and the Rooney rule i feel somewhat takes away from it. Rooney rule opens up things to saying, yeah ya got your shot because the NFL made sure we had to interview you, or that we interviewed you BECAUSE you are black and we have to interview at least one. Honestly it seems more “white man” keeping the “black man” from fully being able to appreciate his own accomplishments that way, and i think it has an overall negative social impact.
I think we disagree on both your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs. I simply do not believe that “walking away” and “trying hard not to remember” is the right course of action. As humans I think without the rules some behaviors, including racist ones will simply become more prevalent, not less.
I also consider it almost inarguable that Todd Bowle’s job didn’t result from the Rooney rule. You can’t possibly deliver on that promise, and Todd Bowles himself attributes his opportunity to the rule.
Actually I want to recant that last statement. He didn’t get the job because of the rule, he got the job because, as you say, he was the best candidate…but he himself acknowledges the rule was instrumental to him getting the OPPORTUNITY to interview for the job, and without the interview, there is no chance to win the job.
That’s further evidence the rule is working. It’s about getting the best candidates for the job an opportunity to interview, even if earlier paradigms would have precluded such opportunity.
also, sorry for the misquote. For the record, D said, “Not trying hard to remember”, not what I quoted above. Apologies D.
Jahn,
Dungy was a coach before the Rooney rule and he got interviews beforehand.
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I dont’ want to get bogged down in details, but because of his lack of ability to get interviews for so very long, Dungy is one of the foremost proponents of the Rooney Rule. I never said he got his job because of it, I merely said the lack of it is one of the reasons it took so long for him to actually get a job.
Again, these are details that detract from my overall point: The Rooney rule has been good for racial equality in the sport, and in turn, because it has revealed candidates who otherwise would not have had the opportunity (Bowles), it’s been good for the sport as a whole.
Thank you for allowing me a chance to clarify though, I don’t want anyone to think I’m misrepresenting the facts.
I dont think it reveals anything like Bowles.Ii think Bowles through hard work and continued growth from position coach to coord to interm HC has revealed it. I think Crennel, and Smith, etc etc have all done this with 0 help from the Rooney rule. I think these guys rose to the top just like any of their white counterparts and to me that shows racial equality. I dont think the rule provided it, because it doesnt get them the job it just forces them to be put infront of a guy who can then make whatever decision he wants to. If he wanted to refuse him because he’s black he can still do it, so i just dont understand how the Rooney rule helped anything.
Would you propose that the change from 6% minority coaches to 22% minority coaches since the inception of the rule is merely evidence of a coincidental enlightenment in the ranks of NFL ownership when it comes to extending minority opportunites?
I think that’s a highly unlikely possibility, but a possibility nonetheless.
Well, there ya have it. Immediately GM Chris Grier already hard at work. Killing 2 birds with 1 stone. Kudos.
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Dolphins signed CB/WR Tyler Davis.
A former UDFA out of Missouri Valley College, Davis is being signed out of the little-known German Football League. Davis has been a two-way star in Europe, playing corner and receiver. He’s the first player to make the leap from the GFL to the NFL
Are posts like these, that we see often, supposed to be funny or sarcastic or what?
The process starts with over a 100 guys, they’re just trying to take a look at people, if this was never done guys like Grimes wouldn’t be in the NFL. Take any roster in the NFL and look at where these guys went to college and it’s all over the lot, sure our roster has 80% of guys from big schools, but that means 10 or so guys came from small schools, and how do you think they found them? By giving them a chance.
If I’m not mistaken, Mike Tomlin was our Rooney Rule interview in 2007.
He definitely got interviews because of the rule, although technically he got the Pittsburgh job AFTER the team had already satisfied the rule by interviewing Rivera.
Ironically people like to point out he did not get his job because of the rule, but yet he did get his job from the open minded individual who actually created the rule in the NFL: Art Rooney.
I think the ironic part is that Rooney was always a champion of minority candidates and saw that most NFL owners were not, so him interviewing a minority didn’t require a rule….but getting others to do it would.
That’s the crux here. If we scuttle the rule because we’re beyond that, we’re saying Rooney was wrong, or that race relations in the NFL have improved light years since 2003. I’m not sure the latter is all that believable…but that’s my own judgment on the situation.
I guess we have to walk away from it then Jahn. I really do not see it your way and you really dont see it mine. Either way i see 0 positive or negative effect from the Rooney rule. Im fine with it staying i just think its lousy to think we still have to rely on it to handle yourself appropriately and i really think it steals a little bit of accomplishment. its sad to me to hear you say Bowles attributes something he has accomplished on his own to the Rooney rule, thats actually very very sad. Man deserves to know he earned it without that rule.
I don’t know, animosity from some fans is a negative, some folks like Bowles who attribute their job opportunities to the rule will see it as a positive.
I too wish we didn’t have to rely on it, but I just don’t have as much faith in humanity to reverse its course on this topic after thousands of years of history to the contrary.
Bowles earned it REGARDLESS of the rule. He’d say that himself. But he got the OPPORUTNITY to interview because of it, and that, IMHO, is a great great thing to ensure guys like him get those opportunities.
Either way, cheers to ya. Nothing but respect.
I think the chance of the Fins being a playoff team in 2016 are about the same as they’ve been for the last 7 yrs, but one thing for sure is I’m not going all in on them until they do something. No more preseason hype for me.
D says:
January 4, 2016 at 6:42 pm
I agree man, sorry to get snippy.
I just think its horrible that rules must govern what a truly compassionate heart already dictates. I think maybe i have a stronger belief in the world we live in and that i feel we are much more evolved than i think you do.
jahn,
this is why i think there is some hope that one day things like the rooney rule wont exist. i think as generation and generation go on. race will stop being an issue. i went to segregated grade schools. our parents drank from different water fountains. each generation proves to be more tolerable. i do hope at some point in time i am right and people are judging each other by who they are and their actions and not their race or where they come from. it is the only way we wont all end up killing ourselves in some fashion
Maybe FFR, and I think that’s a noble vision. But as I mentioned above. Humans have thousands of years of history with racist practices, so to overcome that will truly be one of, if not THE finest accomplishment of civilized man of all time.
Jahndoh30 says:
January 4, 2016 at 6:58 pm
Would you propose that the change from 6% minority coaches to 22% minority coaches since the inception of the rule is merely evidence of a coincidental enlightenment in the ranks of NFL ownership when it comes to extending minority opportunites?
I think that’s a highly unlikely possibility, but a possibility nonetheless.
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I think you can attribute a lot of things. Shifts in society, old white men racist owners dying off lol, success of other black coaches before them. I think the rule might have been a kicking off point, but it certainly has been the efforts of those who have made it on their own efforts that accomplished the most.
Fair point.
The Fins are a joke right now.
Owned by a guy who wanted to buy the Jets first but failed to do so.
Aponte & Tannenbaum came from the Jets mold
And now Grier who’s dad was part of the Pats for a long time is in charge of picking players
All of them with roots from Parcells taint.
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I get your negative vibes Al, and feel similarly myself, but be practical. There’s no way to avoid all Parcells, NYJ, and NE Pats associations. There’s nobody left.
Faux John Madden @FauxJohnMadden 25m25 minutes ago
REPORT: Browns coaching search hits early snag as 13-year old kid who took Browns to 9-7 record on Madden 16 declines interview.
That was meant to be sarcastic & funny by the way! 😉
Jahndoh30 says:
January 4, 2016 at 6:58 pm
Would you propose that the change from 6% minority coaches to 22% minority coaches since the inception of the rule is merely evidence of a coincidental enlightenment in the ranks of NFL ownership when it comes to extending minority opportunites?
i dont know if coincidental or not. but look at football as a whole. how was that 72 dolphin team. i am willing to bet it was more then 50% white. now look at the nfl and the nba as a whole. it is mostly black players. i never saw some rule for having to have black players. teams just started picking the best players available. i get a lot of that is cause of more rules that gave opportunities for minorities to go to school. but we are talking just the rooney rule. i am just not sure in this day and age it is needed. i think any owner is going to interview the best person for the job.
i am not against the rule, i dont have any issue with it, i am just saying as a society i think we have progressed a lot when it come to race issues
It would have to be 1 of 2 things:
1) coincidental
2) a result of the rule
The ’72 Dolphins isn’t a very good example IMHO because in those days we had far fewer than 6% of the coaches who were minorities, and even if the league was 50% white, that disparity is shocking.
Al, Grier has been in the personnel business for a long time since 1994 with the Pats. His father’s been in the business with the Pats and Texans and still is. He’s been with us for 9 years as a Director of College Scouting. How does one become a GM? You have to start somewhere.
Not sure how his resume is a negative.
Hickey came that similar route. Will be interesting to see if his ‘personnel’ moves/drafts are better than Hickey’s.
steve, ya caught me. Yeah I was being sarcastic. Missing the playoffs and a blow up yet again of the GM & coaching staff will do that to me…lol
But I agree, you keep bring in players to look at. You get 90 to start camps. I know I’d like to go back to my playing days & be one of those diamonds in the rough that was discovered working hard to make it.
I apologize if I threw you off with my derision.
Humans have thousands of years of history with racist practices, so to overcome that will truly be one of, if not THE finest accomplishment of civilized man of all time.
hey now, there was a time we didnt have internet porn either. so we have grown leap and bounds as a society.
LOL…
I can see already every move we make will be mocked before they do a thing. This should be a fun offseason. SMH
We need to be getting serious with our coaching interviews, fucking churn those bitches out, 2-3 a day. We are now competing with what seems like half the friggin NFL for the best candidate.
So we’re not serious?
Lol, i was exaggerating the point Tim. Im sure we are i just am not liking how quickly other teams have moved on and are jumping in. Pieces are going to start falling really soon.
Al, Grier was cutting his teeth with Parcells in NE in 1994.
Thats a long time studying guys in underwear @ combines.
LMAO
I was just about to call in an abduction report for FFR until the porn statement! 😉
What’s wrong with that picture? LOL…
Safety shouldn’t lead your team in tackles!
Homes poster boy didn’t make the list?
When it comes to coaches, I kind of threw in the towel with Philbin. Damned if I know what will work. College star coach? Saban didn’t work. Coordinator? Philbin, Wanny, Cameron all failed. Established HC? Jimmy kind of worked I guess before he sailed off into the sunset.
I guess I’m saying this:
Coughlin? Sure.
Gase? Why not?
Marrone? Won 9 games the year he left Buffalo and beat us…sure.
Mora? I actually would prefer NOT him…
But in general, I’m so apathetic, I simply don’t know what would work and what wouldn’t. So now I’m reduced to hoping and little else.
I think i see the opposite side of that as well. I think there are multiple good coaches out there, and not knowing which is perfect means they all could be at this point just as much as they could all be failures. I think i just want to know we secure OUR guy. Seems we have missed out top guy each year and this year, whomever that guy is, i just want to know we got him.
out on our top guy i meant.
I get that for sure…
Speaking of guys in underwear…or not….
NAFW 😈
Jahn, all the other leading tacklers are LB’s. Ours was a safety cleaning up the misses.
Ding!
51.52, 53, 54 and………20. Lol!!!!
http://www.miamidolphins.com/multimedia/videos/Tannenbaum_Grier_Meet_The_Media_In_Davie/f8c7a515-c9ac-49d4-9f1f-5424377d79d7
Shanahanahanahana… can this guy win without stellar QB play?
Can any coach? I guess Billick did with Dilfer.
I think Herd & FFR share similar DNA makeup 😀
I need an accountant to figure this fuckin thing out for me!
It says we were the 31 team in Games missed due to injury? WTF
http://www.mangameslost.com/nfl-regular-season-end-games-missed-due-to-injury-january-4-2016/
getterdone says:
January 4, 2016 at 7:36 pm
I think Herd & FFR share similar DNA makeup 😀
if she wanted too, but i prefer my makeup by maybelline
We’re going to be a more physical team.
Well exactly. As Jahn mentioned he didn’t know what coach is good, where to start, etc etc. Frankly none of us really do that much.
But this is where it’s so key for the GM, owner, & Tbomb to have a vision ahead of what they think is a winning football strategy, scheme, systems, play calling situations, and types of personnel already here that fit and how much personnel turnover needed to make a go.
They have to know what they’re looking for & the right questions to ask and the right vetting process, or else it’s still the merry go round.
Hope they get it right and get a guy that has a matched vision that can whip this team into contention in short order. There’s plenty of talent here in certain others & void in some as well.
Hire the HC that best fits with the nucleus of the best talent here & the one that can still work with the ones that needs more direction while he gets his cupboards restocked by Grier, got to be on the same page as him too!
That’s what it’s all about. Everyone sitting down with the HC candidates and going through what they think the team lacks and how to correct it. I saw physical flaws all season and if you listened to what Grier said about what kind of talent he looks for, he said you can look to the people who I learned under to get an idea.
Cue the 3 yards and a cloud of dust comments that will come with any mention of Parcells which is totally inaccurate and absurd but that won’t stop anyone from saying it. LOL
What I liked what Grier said is you have to be able to adapt to what wins in this league.
You want to be physical but fast too, everyone likes speed but you don’t want to get pushed around either.
WOW, everyone still replaying the lesbians touching a gay man’s junk?
I’m sure FFR is clicking replay, reload, full screen, download, & save as a few times by now.
lol…..sorry if I distracted the blog
LOL, that never happens here. 🙂
Tim
I hope some folks talk about 3 yards and a cloud of dust!
I’m real tired of -1 yard and a sore pussy!
LMAO!!!
Our issue was why could we not stick with the ground game when it was working? When we did we usually won. It’s not rocket science, it’s balance. It helps the OL, the QB and the defense.