The Wedge Scouting Report: Su’a Cravens, Safety/LB

Oh those Pesky Belusian Gopher Flies!  Like any good intergalactic agent – I shoot a photon missile directly at a planet.  I know its not the most creative way to destroy a planet…but I love watching the way the planet explodes.

Except mid air…out of nowhere a Gopher Fly grabs the missile and takes it away before it makes contact.  Light years away I see an explosion in the direction the fly went.

That must be what a pick six feels like.

space-explosion

Then days later…I found out that one of the Alpha Alien’s favorite vacation moons has exploded after it was hit by MY MISSILE!

And who gets blamed for that!

I don’t even know what those pests are…are they a rodent or an insect…

kinda reminds of some of the prospects I can’t place

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Su’a Cravens is a fascinating prospect.  In his freshmen year Cravens played Safety for USC, then USC switched him to Linebacker.

At both positions he excelled at USC.

So which is he in the NFL?

Well, I’ve seen him called the next Troy Polamalu.

And I think he fits the mold of a safety.

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 But not everyone agrees.  In fact I’m hearing a lot of NFL scouts are projecting him at Linebacker in the NFL.  Which surprises me.  But what do I know – I’m not even from your miserable planet.

Could it be that Cravens fits the mold of the new NFL pass covering linebacker?  Seems like this sort of Linebacker is more and more what the NFL wants out of the position in a pass happy NFL.

Cravens may not be the best coverage linebacker in the draft this year, that honor probably goes to his instate rival Myles Jack.  But Cravens is one of the best available this year and one of the best I can remember.

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But that is not the only thing Cravens did at USC.  Cravens had over 200 tackles in 3 years at USC.  He forced 4 fumbles and had over 10 sacks in the last two years while playing linebacker.  So this guy is pretty versatile and makes impact plays.

But how about those 9 career interceptions NFL scouts?  Don’t tell me that is not a safety I see in the field!

Well, scouts counter that by mentioning Cravens’ lack of speed.  In fact he is not expected to run a very fast 40 yard dash at the combine.

But then again, if Cravens runs a fast 40, I wonder if the Cravens at safety talk picks up?

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I expect Cravens to be picked int he first two rounds of the NFL draft.  There is even some talk he may go in the first round, but it’s too early to know.

What I do know is that Su’a Cravens reminds me of one of the pesky Belusian Gopher Flies.  That son of a bitch will pick it off and take it back for a touchdown! That’s his alien weapon of destruction!

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You can watch his highlights here to see what I mean

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1,338 Responses to The Wedge Scouting Report: Su’a Cravens, Safety/LB

  1. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    Laffy Taffy

  2. dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

    Nice article Piggy! In regards to Cravens I don’t like him as a LB at this level, but I do like him as a Reshad Jones type SS. I don’t think he has a spot on this Miami team unless VJ is going to go the route of 2 SSs vs one free and one strong….which I doubt.

  3. dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

    Allowed myself 2 trade downs😂:

    Your score is: 6976 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 10 (NYG): Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama (A)
    Round 2 Pick 12 (L.A.): Cody Whitehair, OG, Kansas State (B)
    Round 2 Pick 14 (L.A.): Shilique Calhoun, DE/OLB, Michigan State (B)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Will Redmond, CB, Mississippi State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 13 (L.A.): DeAndre Houston-Carson, FS, William & Mary (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 9: Jordan Jenkins, OLB, Georgia (A)
    Round 4 Pick 12 (L.A.): Le’Raven Clark, OT, Texas Tech (B)
    Round 5 Pick 8: Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 11: David Morgan II, TE, Texas-San Antonio (B-)
    Round 7 Pick 6: Cre’von LeBlanc, CB, Florida Atlantic (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 10: Derek Watt, FB, Wisconsin (B)

  4. dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

    Non trade down version:

    Your score is: 7441 (GRADE: A)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 8: Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Kentrell Brothers, ILB, Missouri (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Cody Whitehair, OG, Kansas State (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 9: Shawn Oakman, DE, Baylor (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 8: Sheldon Day, DT, Notre Dame (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 11: Tavon Young, CB, Temple (A-)
    Round 7 Pick 6: Dadi Lhomme Nicolas, OLB, Virginia Tech (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 10: Antonio Morrison, ILB, Florida (B-)

    Your Future Picks:
    2017 Round 1 Pick
    2018 Round 1 Pick

  5. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Nice write up Wedge!

    If you’ve watched or read GOT, you don’t want a player with craven in his name. lol

  6. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    DBolt
    I tend to think cravens should be a safety as well

    But I think you and I are in the minority

    Matt Miller recently tweeted that teams are looking at him as a LB

    I guess he is in the Myles Jack mild of LB
    I think he will be a good player at either position

  7. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    CBS has him rated as a 2nd rd OLB prospect.

  8. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I didn’t go to the party, I stayed home and watched the baby in my own home. lol

  9. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    Saw this on a Fansided article on Cravens:

    NFL Comparison: T.J. Ward, Broncos

    You see a lot of T.J. Ward in Su’a Cravens and I love the way USC uses him. I think with Ward, the biggest comparison I see is an aggressiveness, using your size to your advantage. T.J. Ward is one of the best safeties in the NFL at playing at or near the line of scrimmage, and he’s also one of the best blitzing safeties in the league. Ward doesn’t classify as a linebacker but since coming to Denver, they have found a variety of ways in using him as such.

    Cravens to me is a guy that can play a very similar role to Ward. He’s good, not elite in coverage, but when you put him in the box he’s a load to handle.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Reshad Jones is already that type of player. T. J. Ward is 5-10 200 and Cravens is 6-1 225 so I’m not sure he’ll be fast enough to play safety.

  10. dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

    LOL at the controversy of Beyoncé’s halftime tribute😂

  11. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    Piggy,
    Myles Jack & Su’a Cravens in a Fins uni? INSTANT BONER

    • dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

      Who’s playing where?

      • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

        Who cares!

      • dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

        LOL, I do👍 To me Cravens is a SS and Jack is an ELITE WLB. Cravens isn’t starting over Jones and I don’t see him as a FS. So that would be a second round pick that will be most relegated to STs and possible sub packages. If we got Jack in round 1 the next LB priority should be MLB. Just my take though😁

  12. dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

    @TonyPauline: This weeks draft buzz: Keanu Neal/S/Florida getting late 1st rnd buzz. Noah Spence following Marcus Peters game plan https://t.co/IkAUpqagWT

  13. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    We can probably find a LB in FA to play MLB on early downs and then when we go to nickel and dime which will be most of the time put your most athletic LBs on the field.

  14. stangerx's avatar stangerx says:

    Nice write-up Pig. Not sure if Cravens hits our needs though. We have Jenkins for the small OLB role and seems if we go safety we want more a coverage type given Reshad’s strengths.

    But then what do I know…..we don’t even know what kind of d we will be running yet.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I agree with what you’re saying. Jenkins in only 6-0 but he’s about 245. Hewitt is also coming on as a WOLB type at 6-2 235. I’d still add Myles Jack if he’s there and move Hewitt to the strong side. Reports say that we’ll give Vigil plenty of opportunities at MLB in camp. I think both Vigil and Hewitt need to get a little bigger and stronger.

      It’s funny how fans love to talk about UDFA prospects and then when we find good ones they discard their potential. LOL

  15. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Dbolt, Laurinitis is not going to play on the cheap.

    • dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

      He also won’t be on a huge contract neither. I’m good with it if they brought Sean Spence in to man the MLB slot as long as they take care of the other DT position.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Tim i read an article that said that St Louis was going to have to clean up some contracts and they believed that Jared Cook for sure was a goner, they said that they believed Laurinaitis and Long were both targets and one of the two, if not both would be cut for reasons of cap space. Laurinaitis will be 30 next year, and he has slipped off in production a little, so yeah he wont be cheap but i dont see him getting more than about 7mil a year. There are some decent younger options at MLB to where i think that its even possible it would beless than that. We could cut Misi in that case as well which would half way pay for him this year and only cost us a slight bit more in years to come.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        I do think Misi could be released. Sheppard coming off the books and Misi being released is worth almost $7M.

  16. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Dbolt, why would you cut Mitchell? He’s not a playmaker but he doesn’t get pushed around.

    • dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

      At his price tag he doesn’t keep bodies off the LBs well enough. Was it the system or is he just limited? The coaching staff will make the decision.

  17. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    D, Francis is not on our team anymore. He’s with SEA.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Sorry meant Coleman, but we could easily plug a draftee there. Rotating those top three is anyways. Carolina had 3 studs they kept in their primary rotation with another guy who occasionally rotated in as needed.

      • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

        Yeah I think that’s a strength of ours and Phillips is just scratching the surface. He might become a beast.

  18. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    dbolt48 says:
    February 9, 2016 at 10:44 am

    @TonyPauline: This weeks draft buzz: Keanu Neal/S/Florida getting late 1st rnd buzz. Noah Spence following Marcus Peters game plan https://t.co/IkAUpqagWT
    ——
    NFLdraftscout’s Dane Brugler at the moment has Miami taking Spence in RD 1 in his latest mock draft.

  19. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

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    The order of the top-95 picks in the #NFLDraft are now official. LA #Rams are the only team with 4 picks in top-95:
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    Damn Rams :/

  20. D's avatar D says:

    Way i look at potential off season moves is +/- so when i look at Misi i see a guy who would be a very solid backup, but he isnt really helping us get better at the position. He’s too expensive to be a backup and not being a boost to us at the position makes him expendable. Looking at a guy like Laurinaitis you have a 7 year starter, 0 missed games, who has averaged 122 tackles a season, averages about 5 passes defended and tackles for loss a year. With the stability he has shown, Misi could be cut along with Sheppard, we could have some of our young guys back him up, and then we could draft an OLB and we instantly go from a weak LB corp to a very strong one. We eat the 7mil hit this year by subtracting two guys who arent productive to add one that has been for several years.

  21. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    SteveCCNV or anyone else….
    I need more info on NEVADA LB Ian Seau ….
    Looks like a good mid to late round selection
    I’m eager to see what his 10 yard split and vertical jump scores are for his height/weight combo.
    Looking at some highlights, he really can fire off the line fast.

  22. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    D,
    Yep, the draft tends to favor LB/DL in the top 100 too so the Rams who have invested heavily on offense the last few years can go D early.

    • D's avatar D says:

      With their draft position they could trade back too and get some more picks and really load up. DL draft this year is SICK, very very deep. Just by numbrs there are going to be some other years first round talent pushed into the late second maybe even third just cause there are so many good ones.

      • D's avatar D says:

        Not to mention they are already VERY deep at DL. I think that makes Long the first one they consider cutting, but they may well cut both of them.

  23. D's avatar D says:

    Al in MIA says:
    February 9, 2016 at 11:43 am
    dbolt48 says:
    February 9, 2016 at 10:44 am

    @TonyPauline: This weeks draft buzz: Keanu Neal/S/Florida getting late 1st rnd buzz. Noah Spence following Marcus Peters game plan https://t.co/IkAUpqagWT
    ——
    NFLdraftscout’s Dane Brugler at the moment has Miami taking Spence in RD 1 in his latest mock draft.
    —————————————
    They probably have us trading up to 3rd to get him too….hmmmm lol

    Also Neal is a guy i really like. Marcus Maye was the more ballhawk safety at UF, but Neal was no slouch and he is one of the hardest hitting safeties and best overall tackler i have seen. He’s way better than Kearse as a safety prospect, though Kearse has a few inches in height over him.

  24. D's avatar D says:

    Glad to see that it looks like they kept Anthony Steen on a futures contract. He was a great OG at Alabama. Worst case i think it gives the new coaches someone to look at in camp to see if we at least have backup potential out of him. Vinson Painter too.

  25. D's avatar D says:

    Alex McCallister is someone i keep tossing around as a possible later round pass rush prospect for us. He is a guy i know has really great pass rushing skills but im worried about him keeping his shit together. He racked up 6.5 sacks despite only playing fully in 7 games last season. Similar statistics from his sophomore year previous when he was rotational player where he got 6 sacks in part time play.

    He has really good pass rush skills, comes from a team that turns out some good pass rushers, but he did get kicked off the team last year and got suspended earlier in that same year. As far as talent goes, i feel certain he would be a relatively cheap option to get a quality pass rusher, but overall im note sure about him as a professional.

  26. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    ESPN Giants reporter Dan Graziano believes the team will “part ways” with veteran LT Will Beatty.
    Beatty is owed a $6.625 million base salary and is set to count $9.175 million against the cap. Both numbers would be fine for a left tackle, but it appears the Giants will move forward with 2015 first-rounder Ereck Flowers on the left side. That likely means Beatty will have to accept both a pay cut and a demotion to right tackle if he wants to stay in New York. It is unlikely he wants to do either.
    ___________________________
    Tbomb & Grier should really look into this development. He’s 30yo and had shoulder surgery in Nov. His price should come way down considerably.

  27. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Matheus Milanez ‏@biffmila 2h2 hours ago
    NEW at @draftbreakdown: LB Joshua Perry (Ohio State) vs Michigan State (2015) http://draftbreakdown.com/video/joshua-perry-vs-michigan-state-2015/

  28. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  29. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 53m53 minutes ago
    Cam Newton on his Super Bowl postgame news conference: “Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser”.

  30. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    wyoming

    i saw that comment. that is just more bs of his. there is a big difference between a sore loser and a poor sport. i have said on here over and over, part of being a good sport is also knowing how to win. and that fool just showed he doesnt know how to handle either with grace.

  31. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    D says:
    February 9, 2016 at 12:16 pm

    Id have the guy with the biggest hands at the prison anal fist him before letting the rest of the prisoners stomp him until his head was paper flat.

    why should he get away so easy. the anal raping should be done over a 6month period and performed each time with a thicker rusted pipe. he should be kept alive and made to suffer daily till he dies. no need to stomp him out in one day, that is too easy for him.

  32. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    FFR
    I truly and honestly can’t bring myself to give a shit either way on the Camapalooza we are having! 😉

  33. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

  34. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    wyoming

    i hear you there. the way i felt about the game, i really didnt care who won. i was just commenting on the actions of one of the players in the game. i will say, the conversation is more entertaining then talking about potential draft picks

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      Not really! 😉

      Don’t get me wrong! I don’t particularly like a showboat!
      But I am not one to jump up and down saying I told you so either!

  35. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    dbolt48 says:
    February 9, 2016 at 10:38 am (Edit)

    LOL at the controversy of Beyoncé’s halftime tribute😂
    _________________________________
    The only controversy about Beyonce’s half time performance is how much cellulite is on her ass and legs.

  36. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Not sure I see Cravens as a fit for us. I think we need 2 players. A LB and a S. We don’t need one who plays both.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Yeah im not a fan either. I think he is one of those tweener types that will not be particularly good at either. Some tweeners are so good they could practically line up anywhere and be a + to your team, but i just dont see him as that type of player. Jack is the latter kind, i think he a talent and it really wouldnt matter what position you wanted him to play he would find a way to play that position at a high level.

  37. D's avatar D says:

    Cam’s statement is defensive, i would have stuck with “i handled the loss poorly, it was an emotional time for me, but i accept i need to handle myself more professionally and in the future i plan on acting accordingly”. He just drew more negative attention to himself not owning it and moving forward.

  38. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Note to Cam

    Just look in the mirror buddy! Luh-HOOOOOOOOOSER!

    That statement is an utter crock of shit from him. It doesn’t matter whether you take the loss well, you congratulate your opponent, and sportsmanship ALWAYS counts!

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      He did congratulate Manning after the game. He just didn’t want to answer questions from the press. To me this a whole lot to do about nothing.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        That’s fine. I think he’s showing exactly what he is, a spoiled sport, and the fact that he can’t understand and distorts the concept of good sportsmanship is not surprising.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      He doesn’t get it. There are lots of athletes like him.

  39. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    A lot of LBs move around and play multiple spots

  40. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Ken

    You can get it, but it’s not for this 26 YO nitwit to judge people who have good sportsmanship as losers. He’s an immature ass, with no clout to make the statement he made.

  41. Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

    Rotoworld NFL Draft ‏@Rotoworld_Draft 57m57 minutes ago
    Report: NFL Combine to ban convicted players http://tinyurl.com/z8jh6vz

    • Wyoming85's avatar wyoming85 says:

      The NFL has banned players with convictions for domestic violence, sexual assault or weapons offenses from attending future scouting combine’s in Indianapolis.

  42. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    wyoming85 says:
    February 9, 2016 at 1:51 pm (Edit)

    Rotoworld NFL Draft ‏@Rotoworld_Draft 57m57 minutes ago
    Report: NFL Combine to ban convicted players
    ______________________________
    Who will be left to attend?

  43. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    mike

    that was what i said earlier. being a good sport doesnt mean you are accepting losing. it also means you know how to win with grace. two things he doesnt get.

  44. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Rob

    Exactly

  45. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    I really don’t care if Cam talked to the media after the game or not. I really don’t care if he dances or gives the ball to kids after he scores. I don’t care much about any of that stuff. I like watching him play. He combines rare athletic talent and is something to watch. He plays hard. Yes everyone can bitch about whether or not he dove for the fumble but make no mistake he plays the game hard and maybe he is self centered. That’s hardly uncommon for a professional athlete. Don’t tell me Manning isn’t . How many plugs did he make both pre and post game – Gatorade, Budweiser. He is out there promoting himself and his product. All Cam did was get upset about losing. Could he have handled it better? Of course. Is it worth this level of discussion? Not even remotely.

  46. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Cam supporters don’t seem to see why a lot of people don’t like his act when it’s all going well as opposed to when he loses. It’s okay to be pissed off and even throw a tantrum when you lose. But when you win and act like you’re the best thing that’s ever been and point at yourself and do the me stuff, then when you lose you pout. you look like a spoiled brat and nobody likes a brat.

    Also his comments about a good loser is a loser insulted his HC and some of his teammates because they were gracious losers. He doesn’t get it! He’s a baby.

  47. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Ken – Did you enjoy watching him play in the SB? He looked like a shell of himself. Did it look like he enjoyed the game? I think he loves WINNING, not playing the game.

    Besides, it’s not like we have more pressing issues to discuss, the game was just 2 days ago.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      He did not play well at all and yes discussing the game is fine but to me whether or not he answered questions after the game is a non-issue. You have no argument from me that Cam played poorly and that there is a certain irony in the Cam love, his performance and the criticism thrown at Tannehill but whether or not he should have answered questions or if he was gracious in defeat – ho hum imo.

  48. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Ken, for the love of God, will you please stop talking about Cam. 😉

  49. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Ode to Mac Notwen

  50. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Speaking of assholes and sanctions how about McCoy? The man loves his champagne.

  51. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    ken,

    everything you said about cam is true. he is athletic and something to watch. that also goes for 99% of every player in the nfl. so what. they all are way more athletic and talented that is why they are in the NFL. the reason cam is being talked about now isnt cause of his athletic ability it is his character. and that isnt all he did, he show boated when he won, he went above and beyond with his exploits. now when he loses he acts a child and is horrible about it. people like that usually are not good people.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      Of all the athletic people he is in the top 1%. He can do things on a football field that few people who play and or have played ever could. Is he a good person? FIN (Fucked if I kNow). I still like watching him play.

  52. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    ken

    i dont see him as that all world great player you do. he is no more gifted then some of the other players. i will say i love him showing what an ass clown he is concerning his sportsmanship. it makes for fun banter. it would be boring if every qb was a manning.

    • Ken's avatar Ken says:

      His combination of size, strength, speed, arm strength and elusiveness has probably never been matched in the history of the game. That doesn’t mean he is going to the HOF but he is a rare talent and when he is on he is fun to watch.

  53. Ken's avatar Ken says:

    Tim:
    McNabb is a good comparison but at similar stages of their career Cam is a better passer, I actually think by a significant amount. It took McNabb a while to develop as a passer. Cam was a 4K passer as a rookie.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I don’t think Cam has reached McNabb’s level as a passer yet. I don’t care about yards, I’m talking about executing an overall passing attack. Also the game is different today than it was in the early 2000s.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Under a set of rules that dont let ya touch the receiver and every other hit on the QB is a penalty.

  54. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    Cam is more like a healthy Dante Culpepper.

  55. finfanrob's avatar finfanrob says:

    ken

    once again, i am not disagreeing about cam’s talent. i am just saying there are just as many player in the nfl that are fun to watch who are not poor sports. yeah cam maybe more athletic, but to me that is not a big deal. the dolphins had this qb one time who wasnt all that athletic but he was fun to watch and set all sorts of nfl records without being mr athlete.

  56. D's avatar D says:

    Tim i am a little surprised by his comments, because i really expected him to just let it go and not bother responding, also you would think with as much money as they pay these agents there would have been a very polished and rehearsed reply given the amount of elapsed time to come up with one. So in a way yeah im surprised because the comment was not an “in the moment” response.

  57. D's avatar D says:

    Damn just saying Chad Henne apparently breaks the blog lol….someone say something so i can know i didnt start the apocalypse

  58. D's avatar D says:

    Your score is: 7138 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 8: Jalen Ramsey, CB/FS, Florida State (A)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson (A)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Nick Martin, OG, Notre Dame (A)
    Round 4 Pick 9: Sebastian Tretola, OG, Arkansas (A)
    Round 5 Pick 8: Harlan Miller, CB, Southeastern Louisiana (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 11: Antonio Morrison, ILB, Florida (C-)
    Round 7 Pick 6: Anthony Zettel, DE, Penn State (A)
    Round 7 Pick 10: Aaron Green, RB, TCU (A+)

  59. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Randall Cunningham isn’t a bad comparison either, he was big in his time, when O-linemen were probably only 50 lbs heavier than him.

  60. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    D, Young wasn’t real big but yes the same threat was there.

  61. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    D

    I didn’t mention Steve Young because of the size factor.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Yeah i thought we got off subject on size and were just talking who played like Cam. There have been a bunch of guys historically that have played like him despite the size.

      • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

        Otherwise, you’re correct. Young was a very talented runner, he was pretty damn impressive. Much more elusive than Cam

  62. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    Steve young GOAT

  63. D's avatar D says:

    That draft i did above is kinda growing on me, i took two OG’s and at first i kinda didnt like doing that but i also felt i got value with the picks so i did it anyways.

  64. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Why all the black comparisons. Bunch of racists here! smh

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I mentioned John Elway but didn’t mention young because he was short so there. LOL

      Give me another white QB that is comparable?

  65. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    Steve Young was a way more accurate passer though. One of the more accurate passers we’ve ever seen.

  66. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    Ok ok, you guys redeemed yourselves with Elway, Young, and I’ll now add Tannehill…coming to a playoff highlight reel near you soon. 😀

  67. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    I’m surprised you geezers didn’t mention tarkenton

    • D's avatar D says:

      I actually almost did but i dont really know anything about him other than what i have seen in what they refer to as “talkies”

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      Too small. He ran around in circles, he didn’t run through anyone. Roger Staubach fits the bill though.

  68. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Tannehill isn’t bad comparison actually. Jennings did say he’s been babied. lol

  69. D's avatar D says:

    Your score is: 7720 (GRADE: A)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 14 (OAK): Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida (A)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Hunter Henry, TE, Arkansas (A)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Deion Jones, OLB, LSU (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 12 (OAK): Bronson Kaufusi, DE/OLB, Brigham Young (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 9: Sebastian Tretola, OG, Arkansas (A)
    Round 5 Pick 8: Charles Tapper, DE, Oklahoma (A)
    Round 6 Pick 11: Kelvin Taylor, RB, Florida (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 6: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 10: Jonathan Jones, CB, Auburn (B-)

  70. D's avatar D says:

    I will say i doubt very seriously that Tannehill would have acted like that….but then again according to Cam thats cause he’s a loser lol….see Randy was right!

  71. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    SB

    Cam reminds me a lot of Trogg, he was big and fast (for a caveman), but he was much more mature than Cam. He audibled a lot more than Cam does too

  72. getterdone's avatar getterdone says:

    LOL @ Hunter Henry as our 2nd round draft pick.
    Mike E, now can’t stand up at work and walk across the office to help a customer.

  73. sb7mvp's avatar sb7mvp says:

    You’re not one of the geezers D lol

  74. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    I’m with Ken on the whole Cam thing.
    In time, nobody will remember those comments Cam made after the SB.
    Just like nobody remembers when Elway and Eli Manning both cried about where they were going to be drafted and refused to go play for them.

  75. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    GDP

    There’s driftwood, and then there’s (Hunter Henry in the 2nd) draftwood. lol

  76. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    Tim,
    McNoob? lmfao…Cam WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more accurate than McNoob ever was at any point of his career. Also a better runner.

    • Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

      McNabb is just as accurate as Cam – Not true McNabb finished with a career 59% completion, Cam is now at 59.5%

      • Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

        McNabb accuracy by season:
        49.1%
        58.0%
        57.8%
        58.4%
        57.5%
        64.0%
        59.1%
        57.0%
        61.5%
        60.4%
        60.3%
        58.3%
        60.3%
        ——
        Cam Newton has hit the 60%+ mark twice in 5 years; took McNabb 6 years to even hit it once. Cam also has never averaged less than 7 yards per attempt in his career while it took McNabb 6 years to even get passed 7 for a season. McNoob’s career Y/A is 6.9 while Cam’s at 7.5.
        On Y/C, Cam has achieved 13+ three out of five years of his career (12.7 average) while McNoob achieved 13+ only twice in his entire career (years 8 and 11) for a 11.8 career average.


        More yards on an even completion % = more accurate passer 🙂

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      I think McNabb ran a more efficient passing game. Cam also plays in more of the NFL light era which means a lot. McNabb played in an era when it was still big boy football.

  77. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    I get the impression that people think Cam is better than he really is.

  78. Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

    5-8-1?

  79. bookman11's avatar bookman11 says:

    With respect to Cam, in my opinion: He acted immaturely when he won, and immaturely when he lost…actually pretty consistent when you think about it. LOL

  80. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    *yawn*
    Too much time spent on this subject.
    Fins better fix their D this offseason. That’s the only way to the playoffs at this point (offense won’t be able to carry it)

  81. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Al – Different era of football (McNabb vs Cam), defenders can’t even look at the DB or the QB for that matter.

    • Tim Knight's avatar Tim Knight says:

      That’s been my point all along.

      Al, I’m well aware of McNabb’s stats, he was my FFL QB back in the day. Stats don’t tell the entire story. But agree to disagree. I’ve never been that impressed with Cam as a passer and that was before the Super Bowl. To me his size and running ability is what makes him special.

    • Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

      That’s a matter of opinion…PI rules been the same for a long time.

  82. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    Bookman – True dat!

  83. D's avatar D says:

    Michael Griffin S Tenn cut today as well as Seantavius Jones WR Saints. Saints are doing a major roster purge already. I read somewhere that they have 22 million in dead money this coming year.

  84. D's avatar D says:

    Ryan Lindley QB Colts also cut.

  85. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    D,

    Have you taken a look at these LB prospects?

    Ian Seau (NEVADA)
    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=120186&draftyear=2016&genpos=OLB

    Antwione Williams (GEORGIA SOUTHERN)
    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1001712&draftyear=2016&genpos=OLB
    —–
    I’m impressed by Seau’s burst off the line and Antwione’s ability to chase the ball handler.

    • D's avatar D says:

      Just started looking at Seau and havent checked out Williams yet. Hard to find stuff on some of the smaller school guys so ya gotta dig really deep. Ill take a look at him this evening.

      • D's avatar D says:

        Toughest thing for me with the small school guys is finding that common ground so oyu get a good representation of skill level, like finding them going against an offensive player you have scouted and know their level or finding a common opponent to a another player of the same position that your scouting to compare them against. Almost like playing 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon with players comparisons, tracing everything back to comparisons to some baseline guy you really like.

  86. Mike E.'s avatar Mike E. says:

    D

    Does Griffin play SS or FS? I remember him, but I’m not sure.

    • D's avatar D says:

      I think FS, though his stats surely make you think he’s a SS lol. Usually a true FS doesn’t have that many tackles. Could be Tenn plays a sort of hybrid safety combo like we did where both safeties are kinda interchangeable.

  87. dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

    LMAO:

    @nashmax73: Well meow, that’s interesting… https://t.co/TUFDMggv4A

  88. olddolphan's avatar olddolphan says:

    Nice effort, PIGGY!! –Always enjoy these articles.

  89. D's avatar D says:

    Al are you thinking about Seau as a OLB or a DE?

  90. D's avatar D says:

    Looks like someone else already on the same thought train as me. He’s easily better than anyone we have, just a question of how expensive he would be. Current contract is 7mil per, but no way he gets that much now, same with Weddle, id expect either of them to be inking something in the neighborhood of 5-5.5mil per contracts.

    Ian Wharton
    ‏@NFLFilmStudy

    Ian Wharton Retweeted Dyl

    I need to go back and see but I do think he (Griffin) is a quality option for Miami if they can’t snag Weddle

  91. Al in MIA's avatar Al in MIA says:

    D,
    DE

  92. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Ken says:
    February 9, 2016 at 1:31 pm (Edit)
    Not sure I see Cravens as a fit for us. I think we need 2 players. A LB and a S. We don’t need one who plays both.
    Reply
    D says:
    February 9, 2016 at 1:38 pm (Edit)
    Yeah im not a fan either. I think he is one of those tweener types that will not be particularly good at either. Some tweeners are so good they could practically line up anywhere and be a + to your team, but i just dont see him as that type of player. Jack is the latter kind, i think he a talent and it really wouldnt matter what position you wanted him to play he would find a way to play that position at a high level.
    Reply

    ****
    I actually think cravens is one of the better fits for us that I featured this offseason

    He can do the same sort of things for us Jack would do
    I think a lot of teams will want a player like Cravens

    The league is kinda becoming a haven for players like cravens
    Lbs are being asked to cover so much

  93. The Flying Pig's avatar The Flying Pig says:

    Piggy,
    Myles Jack & Su’a Cravens in a Fins uni? INSTANT BONER
    Reply
    dbolt48 says:
    February 9, 2016 at 10:43 am (Edit)
    Who’s playing where?
    Reply
    wyoming85 says:
    February 9, 2016 at 10:47 am (Edit)
    Who cares!
    dbolt48 says:
    February 9, 2016 at 10:52 am (Edit)
    LOL, I do👍 To me Cravens is a SS and Jack is an ELITE WLB. Cravens isn’t starting over Jones and I don’t see him as a FS. So that would be a second round pick that will be most relegated to STs and possible sub packages. If we got Jack in round 1 the next LB priority should be MLB. Just my take though😁

    **

    I agree
    That would be a nice combo
    I’ve done a couple mocks with those 2 as our first 2 picks

    I think if we did that cravens would be a safety like DBolt said
    But I don’t think the districts in between free safety and strong safety matters

  94. dbolt48's avatar dbolt48 says:

    Tim Knight says:
    February 9, 2016 at 5:38 pm
    I would love to see it just for the reactions. LOL
    Reply
    *

    LOL. A bunch of Bed sheets walk out to mid field and one removes their cloth to reveal Brittney Spears who starts singing Oops I Did It Again

  95. D's avatar D says:

    Al in MIA says:
    February 9, 2016 at 5:42 pm
    D,
    DE
    ————————————-
    Yeah thats what i am feeling too. He looks like a really good speed rusher, id like to see him put on 10 or so lbs but he seems to have a really high motor, he has some killer speed moves like his swim and spin are pretty to watch. Im going to dig up even more footage on him and continue to dig, but he looks like a good later round guy. I had been seeing him as options later in my mock drafts and had looked at a few films on him but had dug in too deeply. Thanks for bringing him up.

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