What a draft, what an off season! The Dolphins finally flipped the script and used the Free Agency period to fill glaring holes rather than try to make a splash. They drafted players to fit a system being installed rather than drafting good talent but not necessarily a scheme fit as we saw so many times in the past. Actually this is the third straight very good draft which is unusual for the Dolphins. Coach Gase is a modern day offensive minded coach which means he is going to pass the ball, likely, more than he’ll run it. In comes the best offensive lineman in the draft followed by a bunch of potential play makers who will fit in nicely with the play makers already on the team. The aggressive Defense to be installed needs a strong and aggressive defensive line to get to opposing quarterbacks quickly so that cover corners aren’t left to cover one on one for five seconds. In comes an aggressive sacker in Mario Williams and veteran Andre Branch. Then of course the addition of bigger corners such as Maxwell who came via trade and the young Xavien Howard from the draft. However an argument can be made for almost every player picked up as to where they will play.
Let’s start with the Defense. The significant players added were :
Mario Williams 
– DE – Williams has flexibility across the D-line particularly at both DE positions. So will he play RDE or LDE, will he start on the left and move to the right to bring Wake in to rush the passer, perhaps he plays mainly on the right and doesn’t switch around much at all.
Andre Branch – DE – Same situation with Branch as with Mario, is Branch an early down run-stopper who gives way to Wake and Williams on passing downs?
Byron Maxell – CB – Expected to be the number one Corner but Byron is a player with flexibility as well, should one of the other CB’s stand out maybe Maxwell gets moved around situationally.
Kiko Alonso – LB – Middle Linebacker right? Probably and most likely but there is the chance he plays outside although less likely now than before the draft when EVERYONE thought we’d draft a Linebacker maybe even a MLB.
Isa Abdul-Quddus – S – OK he’s a Safety, but is he a starter or a role player and ST ace?
Xavien Howard – CB – Will the rookie show enough to ea
rn the spot opposite Maxwell? If not what sort of role will he play? Back-up, Nickel, let’s hope the rookie takes care of business.
Chris Jones – DT – A productive run stopper who comes to a crowded position. Suh will play the majority of snaps so Jones will battle for time with the veteran Earl Mitchell and last year’s second round pick, Jordan Phillips among a host of others. Can Jones take some snaps at DE potentially?
Jordan Lucas – DB – Listed as simply DB on the teams official roster they don’t even know if he’s a Safety or a CB. Best of luck to this rookie we can only hope that he is a player that will make his presence known.
The significant players added to the offense:
Brandon Doughty – QB – LOL, jbb
Laremy Tunsil – T – The best Olineman in the draft (we can say that because we drafted him) but will he start his career as a Guard or move a vet off of one of the Tackle spots?
Kenyan Drake – RB – Is this guy an every down back? Likely not going to be asked to be but does he become a third down back or does he split carries with Ajayi? Will he be a kick returner and supplant Jarvis Landry from that role?
Leonte Carroo -WR – What the heck is this guy going to do? Does he go in the slot and allow Jarvis to work more on the outside? Does he push for time as a starter and play on the edge. This is a good looking rookie and with Jarvis here it will be hard for him to have the similar impact Jarvis had but there should be ample opportunity for this rookie to turn some heads.
Jakeem Grant – WR – Good things come in small packages, possibly the most exciting new player to the team. Already naming rights wars have begun. Speed, elusiveness, quickness, incredible po
wer and a spirited drive that may prove to be a huge force in this team clearing the hurdle of nobody to contender. We see 5’6 and 170 pounds, Jakeem sees himself as one of the biggest strongest guys on the field. You gonna tell him he isn’t? I didn’t think so. But what will he do? Slot, Hback, returner, deep threat. Who cares just get in the endzone grANTman ©.
Griff Whalen – WR – Up until the draft this FA pick up looked like a 4th or 5th receiver who came to the team with experience and knowledge of OC Christenson’s offense but he may have been out talented as the draft results came in. It will be a tough battle for a spot as a 6th now.
Jermon Bushrod – T – FA acquisition who has only played as a Tackle but this vet may be able to win a starting position as a Guard. Or is he here as insurance only for the T position?
Sam Young – T – Same as Bushrod, but Young would appear to be the one who is in fact a mere T backup. He does however add needed depth and keeps Fox and Columbo out of football.
Thomas Duarte – TE – Now I think everyone has to temper expectations with this kid due to size and the uphill battle any 7th rounder faces as he enters the league but did you see his highlight clips? Dude can run and catch the ball and he makes people miss. He shows a lot of promise thus far.
The Defensive additions are made up of mostly veterans with Williams as the biggest name acquisition but even he came from a team that had just cut him so we didn’t splurge hugely for even him even though he pocketed a handsome sum. The thinking for the defense was to add vet’s who could come in and lock down positions and make the D functional and hopefully better than last season.
The Offense got an infusion of spices from a variety of angles but mostly with drafted playmakers. The offensive line might not be so offensive anymore with the additions made with Tunsil, Bushrod and Young to go along with Turner and Douglas who show promise. Drake and Ajayi make for a very young but talented 1-2 punch in the back
field while Carroo and Grant add to the arsenal that already includes Jarvis Landry and the emerging Devante Parker.
The scouting is done, the picks are in now everything gets handed to a shiny new rookie Head Coach. Coach and his staff will have to make the tough decisions about who plays where and stays or goes. All we can say as long suffering Dolphin fans is that we hope the plan works, fits the players and that the players play their ass off in it. Due to results of the last many seasons production of koolaid has been halted until there is a bonafide reason to do so. Not that you can’t have your own private still but sanctioned koolaid production has been halted for the benefit of all involved.
Congratulations to Jarvis Landry for being recognized by his peers as one of the top 100 players in the league. Welcome to the top kid and it seems like you’ll continue to climb every year.
Enjoy!
Let’s have a large turnout for the annual Fest, vote up above – see you there!
Finsmob Unleashed 
So I just bought my plane tickets for the game against the Steelers. My best friend is a big Steelers fan, so we are making the trip. When discussing the dates with my wife, and explaining to her that the fest is going to be the following weekend her response was “Why don’t you just go to both games?”. Sounds good to me!
You have a really good wife!!!
Indeed I do Mike
Bri
Almost 100% sure I’m going to the Steelers game too, so we’ll meet up for sure.
Without a doubt. I get in Friday night. Maybe we’ll try to sit together- I want to get decent seats. My buddy is the one you met at the game against the Jets last year.
Gase didn’t sound confident that Shula would be with us much longer…gonna be a sad time folks….
Brian — would be great if you could do the Manitoba on the two games. And man either your wife is sick of you or she is the best one ever (and for sure from reports the 2nd is true).
Where are you guys staying for the Pitt game?
Yeah, I’m flying back Monday, and then would probably fly back Friday night and leave the following Monday. We may just stay at the La Quinta. Not sure yet. I may book my tix for the Fest game before I do something to make her take it off the table…
Awesome — obviously you have more in play that just the one factor, but can guarantee you that on flight btwn the NE and South Florida that the sooner you book the cheaper it is. Those cruise folks and snow birds plan their trips long a head of time.
But should have also mentioned that the Fest date has not been made the Bills yet either even if the votes are running that way. A real collective process on such.
Okay. I booked my Pitt game tix, may do the Bills game tix this weekend too. Got a good price for 10/14.
No matter how it works out on the Fest date….you might have to put up with my sorry ass for a bit hopefully.
Bri My Steelers bud will be coming also, and if I know him like I think I do, he won’t want shitty seats. I already discussed with my wife that we’ll probably be spending $$$ on tix.
Cool. Text me before you purchase and we’ll see of we can get seats together.
Gotta close up here, catch ya later
It’s awesome once you have your draftees in-house and know what we have. So then we can have fun speculating on what could be even if like all drafts not all of them reach their projection and still need a lot of development. But right now I can see all of them contributing at different levels.
We have the greatest mindset of all right now Tim: hope.
I counted 41 new players we’ve added not counting carryover PS guys etc. We have 89 players on the roster and Jordan would make 90.
Bri
I’ll let you know when we’re ready to buy tix. Hopefully we can find seats together, that would be very cool.
Gotta like that from a first rounder.
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Tunsil’s team-first approach was demonstrated by how he wound up with number 67. He wore 78 in college, but that number with the Dolphins belongs to defensive end Terrence Fede. Tunsil said he ended up with 67 because the only number available.
“I just like to be positive any kind of way. I’m a laid-back guy, just a hard worker. I just want to put everything on the line for the team.”
He’s humble and is ready for any role. He just happens to be a top blue chip prospect. 🙂
Mike, so you wouldn’t make a trade that benefitted the team, if you have to give up draft picks? The Packers are pissed at Rodgers and want to trade him, all they want is our 2017 1st. Would you make the trade?
What is the census on Jordan here? Does he rejoin the team and stay clean or do you expect more of the same?
Why worry about it other than you know you want that talent at camp given the price tag? They can figure it out after that.
I’m not worried, I find it interesting that we have 89 players on the roster, we need 90 and Jordan who is still our property is the only one left on the Reserve/Suspended by Commissioner list.
Not a clean slate but he will be given a chance
That’s how I feel. The entire roster gets that chance under a new regime. Gase said that. The best 53 will make the roster.
Steve
Stop looking for silly scenarios just to prove a point. Why should it bother you so much that I don’t like trading away future picks? It doesn’t bother me that you don’t, it’s just how I feel. I happen to think that Tannenbaum is too helter skelter with his drafts. I understand wanting certain players, but you have to trust your board enough that if those players are gone, you have 2-3 players just as good to take. If not, maybe you’re not looking hard enough.
Year of the Monkey Mike. Black is white and white is black.
Do you think there was no other possible way we could have gone about doing our draft? Were there no other players suitable for us? Do you think it’s not possible that we could have ended up with 8 players, and the same type of talent without the trades?
Is that for me? Lol
Yes of course but that’s not how we did it so why keep harping on it? It’s done. The key is does this draft class help improve the team? That matters more than a list of draft pick slots and unknowns.
We have 41 new players on an 89 man roster currently. It will probably be 30 carryover and 20 new not counting K, P and LS.
SB
Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colours from our sight,
Red is gray and yellow white,
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?
Dolphins DC Vance Joseph said there is no reason for Ndamukong Suh not to succeed in his defensive system.
“Our scheme is going to be an attacking scheme,” Joseph said. “With his scheme and quickness, there shouldn’t be any reason why he shouldn’t be successful inside.” Suh was disappointing after signing a six-year, $114 million contract last season, but the defensive scheme and circus surrounding him did not help the situation. Joseph has said he will focus on getting Suh more 1-on-1s this year, but Suh is paid the big bucks because he should be able to dominate even when the defense is focused on him. Miami will hope to see that type of force more often this season.
Tim
Am I harping on it, or is someone questioning me on why I wouldn’t have done it that way?
Both! LOL
Today, it’s just in response to the questions.
Just for kicks . . . . These are players that were picked either at our original draft spots or after, to keep it fair. All possible choices for us.
RD 1 – CB William Jackson III, OT Taylor Decker, DE Shaq Lawson
RD 2 – RB Derrick Henry, WR Michael Thomas, OT Jason Spriggs
RD 3 – DE Shalique Calhoun, OT Le’Raven Clark, RB CJ Prosise
RD 4 – S Miles Killebrew, WR Pharoah Cooper, RB Tyler Ervin
RD 5 – RB Paul Perkins, OG Connor McGovern, RB Jonathan WIlliams
There are always options, but Mikey T. fell in love with certain players, and said I’m getting them at any cost, so here we are, with a bunch of players I happen to like, but we’re without 2 picks in next years draft. End of story.
Grier played a bigger role than given credit for. Gase didn’t see it that way though, he said he felt defense would be the priority but Grier stuck to the board and praised him for that.
You don’t know that, you can only go by what everyone is told. You have no idea what really goes on. We know what Mike has done his entire career, and if you think for a second that this draft doesn’t have his signature on it, you’re fooling yourself. Same MO, same trade after trade.
And this. LOL
This is in response to Steve’s query. Listen, would you rather me just say that Tannehill sucks over and over instead? I will not be censored!!! I will not!!!! lol
SB
Uhhhhhh, nope! It’s for Steve, and his mittens. lol
Mike E:
Good Moody Blues reference
Thanks! Love that album. The London Philharmonic Orchestra is beautiful.
Tim Knight says:
May 7, 2016 at 3:41 pm
Yes of course but that’s not how we did it so why keep harping on it? It’s done.
why not. it is what everyone else does here so why not.
I honestly felt we could have traded back and still gotten Howard.
Heresy!!! How dare you suggest a different path! Non-believer!!! lol
mike
i agree with you, i hate trading away future draft picks. it risk way way to much. if this draft doesnt work out then the fins are screwed next year as well
Thanks Rob – The check is in the mail
Mike, I think Gase who is the HC saying Grier is a key personnel man, carries some weight. If you want to think TBaum makes all the calls so be it. That’s not the way they’ve spoke about it. So I guess everyone is lying. Why not think that though, nothing is real anymore, everything is staged in life. Oy! 😉
I don’t want to burst your bubble, but very little said in sports do I value as real. When those few guys who speak their mind outside the box, the ones that don’t give a flying fuck about what people think, like TO, and Charles Barkley, and John Harbaugh, what they say, I believe, because you can see they don’t give a fuck whether anyone agrees, nothing is pre-measured, they just let it fly. Most of what management says such as collaboration, blah blah blah, it’s all meaningless to me, because unless I’m in that draft room, and I don’t see Grier moving with strings attached, I don’t think he is. That’s the truth man, just how I think it works. I may be wrong, but I may be right.
My bubble is fine if I can find it. LOL
LOL @ Steve throwing his question in, and then going to play some craps in the casino.
Guys, all your scenarios could have been possible. But it went down the way it did. Just go from there unless you want to play hindsight Helen forever. LOL
This much we understand Tim. I just don’t want to be told how to feel, what to write, and when to write it and feel it. Let’s all respect each others spaces, and all is well.
Of course. Maybe I’m just a move on kind of guy and others aren’t. It’s all cool. 🙂
Nevermind.
You almost had your pants off and then thought better? LOL
I’m really impressed with Kenyan Drake’s character. He’s humble yet really confident. I see him as a guy who will impact on both STs and offense.
Ajayi/Drake will likely be the 1-2 punch at RB.
Tim
Do you ever upgrade to newer operating systems on your mac?
It’s Firefox, something is off there. I can see everything on other browsers. My computer is new and pretty up to date.
what u need to do next is export all your favorites from firefox. Backup everything to a thumb. Delete your browser. empty your garbage. Go to firefox website then load newest firefox. test. if it doesn’t work then its your firefox. use browser that works, set up google alert for firefox media player/adobe flashplayer fixes and they will email when fix is available .
CB Antonio Cromartie is still a FA…he had a down year with the Jests, but who doesn’t there.
Yes he’s also just turned 32, but he fits what VJ likes size wise @ 6’2 210 and would give us a good short term vet presence to give guys like Howard, Lippitt & Lucas some time, or use the best of those in certain matchups depending on the opponents receivers in the game.
Tim Knight says:
May 7, 2016 at 4:28 pm
Of course. Maybe I’m just a move on kind of guy and others aren’t. It’s all cool.:)
well you are until it is a topic you want to continue to discuss
….and there goes OG Slauson…….
Chargers signed OL Matt Slauson to a two-year contract.
Slauson also visited with Buffalo following his release this week. He’ll take over at center for the Chargers after grading as a top-20 guard at PFF last season. Slauson’s signing blocks third-rounder Max Tuerk and will push Chris Watt into a swing role on the interior line.
I still say Drake looks more like Bo Jackson and I will call him Kenyan Knows….
I don’t care what we call him, I just want him to stay healthy & he’ll definitely makes plays & some will be highlight plays seen on Sports Center…da da dat!
one can only hope….
Mike E.; Sure do like your comments up the page, especially the ones about who was taken in the same rounds after our picks. Those of us who lived through the Ireland years are all too familiar with the “woulda, coulda, shouda” crticisms that were justifiably leveled at Ireland right after he traded picks to move up or just made his picks without trading up. He was the master of the botched selection.
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LATEST EPISODE of Patriots’ Bullshit Campaign on ESPN NEWS. Jeremy Schaap and associates did a fair-to-middling overview of Julian Edelman’s rise from obscurity to NFL star status. Edelman was only offered one division I scholarship, and he took it (to Kent State). He wasn’t even invited to the NFL combine. Nonetheless, the Pats took him in round 7 based on the scouting department’s analysis of Edelman. At the end of the program, Schaap asked Edelman about the issue of the Patriots’ cheating. His response? “Well, I guess, we obey all the rules just like all the other teams in the NFL obey the rules!” Does that mean all the other teams lost their first round draft choice this year? Does that mean every other teams’ starting QB is suspended for 4 games? Well, we’ll never know Edelman’s answer because drippy Schaap didn’t do any follow-up questions to this preposterous answer to a serious question!!!! –Guess ESPN doesn’t want to piss-off the Patriots organization, even when they’re caught red-handed!! And, of course, no mention of the huge fines & penalties assessed against the Pats when they were caught for illegally taping other teams practices or when they stole game plans out of locker rooms!!——–WAY TO GO, ESPN!!!!!!!!
Grier is the GM but he answers to TBaum and so they all have a working relationship Grier, Gase & TBaum where they seem to be on the same page. I do think they allowed Grier to make the call on who to draft and also allowed him to make the trades. I happen to feel they were bad trades that did not need to be made. Now the trade back into the 3rd for Carroo was the one I question the most because of what we gave up and he being a WR I recognized position of strength before the draft.
With that being said I will hope for the best but I am not going to blindly give this team the benefit of the doubt and yes I know what I feel does not matter in the overall scheme of things.
JMHO
Just to put the record straight, Brandt is nothing more than an analyst for NFL.com at this point. He did help create the NFL Combine years ago but he is not the head of Blesto and he does not organize the Combine. He’s an analyst and he’s wrong about Carroo. Carroo had ONE incident and that’s it. Never had another one and IMO he should have to look Carroo straight in the face and apologize to the kid for being such an ass. Totally unfair to the kid and there’s no excuse for being such a dick. No other way to put it.
Mike,
In response to your comment at 3:49 about players who were there at our original picks or afterwards, how do you KNOW they are better than what we got? Who’s to say any of those guys would even be as good as the players we took or if they are going to do anything? So, we can’t say, “yeah, look at the players we had a shot at if we just stayed where we were. we would be in much better shape”. We don’t know that. We’re fans. These guys do tons of work on these prospects and they have an entire security staff doing background checks on players meeting with everyone right down to the guys who washed their jockstraps in college to find out if there’s any issues with them and there’s stuff we just don’t know about. Everything being equal, I’d take anyone of the guys we drafted over any of the guys on your list. Not even close. JMHO.
Was anyone here in the Phins draft war room during the 3 days of the draft because, if you were, I’d love to hear about your experience. I’m just being an idiot because I don’t understand how when Gase says Grier stuck to the board and that’s why the draft went the way it did anyone can say anything to the contrary when nobody here was in the room.
Gase said it; we have to take it at face value. Sorry, but unless there’s something out there to the contrary from an actual bona-fide source from within the draft room to contradict his statement, that’s the way it went down.
I believe it went like Gases says it did too, but its ridiculous to think he has to be saying it like it went. We can decide for ourselves what we believe happened. As much BS as we get from FOs and coaches, anything they say could be a line of shit.
HOW MANY Browns’ fans are seated at this bar?
probably just Manziel and HE thinks it’s an awesome deal.
LOL
more on Carroo:
“They were actually shocked that I ended up missing two games pretty much for nothing,” Carroo said. “That was kind of the response that I got and the vibe that I got was like, ‘Wow, it was an unfortunate event for you.’ Most of the scouts actually said, ‘I’m sorry that you had to go through that. I’m sorry that you missed two games of your senior year for something that you absolutely had nothing to do with.’ “
Score many TD’s for Miami and all will be forgotten. 🙂
Gase says a lot of things.
As opposed to being a deaf mute HC when required to do mandatory pressers?
I thought VJ liked physical corners. That’s not Cromartie.
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
May 7, 2016 at 6:57 pm
Mike,
In response to your comment at 3:49 about players who were there at our original picks or afterwards, how do you KNOW they are better than what we got?
that isnt the point. the point was trading away future draft picks for the players chosen. where the players chosen so much better that they were worth two draft picks. and of course no one KNOWS now what players are gonna be great, we wont know that for a few years.
Prof Lou,
No one knows either way. The only definite thing we know is that Tannenbaum runs the organization and he ran the Jets into the ground after 6 years. Everything else is just an opinion. It is also fact that in 6 years, he only had the full complement of first through 4th round picks once, which was his first year. We traded more this year than ever before so that could be considered disturbing based off his history.
I will consider the extra 3rd as our first 4 rounds being complete. If we get our comp picks, we technically have our first four rounds next year too even though a 4th round comp pick is really the same as a 5th round starting pick. Mr T gets the benefit of the doubt when we see a few drafts under his belt but not before. Sorry.
Your war room comment is ludicrous and quite funny. I guess Baltimore had Tunsil down on their board. I guess when Philly said Bradford was the man, they moved up to 2 because…well he’s the man. We weren’t there so we can’t infer anything. Our opinion about FOs that lie all the time can’t be different than theirs…because we weren’t there. LOL. That’s still funny as hell. Didn’t you say our previous FO and the coaches didn’t seem to be on the same page? How can you infer that? They said different and you sure weren’t there, were you? LOL
Tannenbaum didn’t run the jets into the ground, he built a team that went to the AFC Championship Game 2 yrs in a row, the problem was with the salary cap. He doesn’t control the salary cap, so that’s not an issue.
There were things said by players and our FO about the FO and Philbin not being on the same page.last yr, I have no reason to believe that isn’t true, and it doesn’t fit in with the BS that’s talked about around draft time.
Miami signs Wake to extension
http://prod.www.dolphins.clubs.nfl.com/multimedia/videos/Cam-Wake-Signs-Contract-Extension/08d85030-6184-4471-b0d3-b1ea73ce3132
Markey, You’ve got a guy that’s the 3rd best WR on your board, you expected him to go earlier, the compensation according to the draft value charts says, you’re getting 220 and giving up160 (approximately). I don’t see where the problem is.
Look at our previous 3rd and 4th rounders:
2015 no 3rd, Douglas 4th
2014 Billy Turner, Walt Aikens
2013 Dallas Thomas, Will Davis
2012 OV, Egnew 3rd, Miller 4th
2011 No 3rd, Edmond Gates 4th
2010 John Jerry, AJ Edds
2009 Patrick Turner, Brian Hartline
2008 Kendall Langford, Shawn Murphy
I didn’t want to make that trade either, but I don’t see why you guys think these picks are so valuable. You’ve got a guy in Carroo that has a good shot at being a Pro Bowler some day vs somewhat of a longshot.
I agree with Mike on Tannenbaum’s signature being all over these trades, it’s just who he is. On Grier’s role, I think the picks were done by a committee, even the trades, but really no denying that Tannenbaum brought up the trades and everyone said yeah I’m ok with it.
That only would make sense if we NEEDED a WR but we didn’t IMO more than other needs. BPA is stupid if you are stacking up on a position that is not needed.
Billy Turner, Walt Aikens, OV, Miller, Brian Hartline, Dallas Thomas are players that Miami valued at some point……
But are any of those guys someone you couldn’t live without? I don’t even think OV was that great, he had one yr with double digit sacks, where he fed off of Wake, then this yr he got hits/pressures, but many were 4 or 5 seconds after the snap, and he was a liability in the run D. Doesn’t really matter, if any of those guys were any good though, the point was with a 3rd or 4th the odds of getting a valuable player is small, so it’s worth it to them to trade up.
You also need to keep in mind how previous coaching may have ruined the draft picks had they been better coached and developed….
Mike, if you’d just answer the question I wouldn’t have asked you all of those wackjob scenarios, but forget about it, you don’t like to trade picks, so lets leave it at that.
new age,
i get others on here saying the fins should get comp picks. but how great would next years draft be if they had all their picks plus got the comp picks.
my point exactly
What good would all of those picks do, when Tannenbaum would just trade up anyways?
Lou:
You are wrong about he is still heavily involved and in particular as to which players get invited to the combine
Brandt^
Maybe he has some input as to which players get invited but he doesn’t run it. Point is moot anyway. The Phins have an entire security staff that is dedicated to digging up all the dirt on every prospect they are looking at and if they didn’t uncover anything that was a red flag where Carroo was concerned I have more faith in that than I do anyone else. Carroo had one issue and that was it and he was exonerated. you don’t trash a kid unfairly for something that’s not true. Unprofessional.
steve,
i think the thing that gets to the ones who dont like to trade picks it is pretty much thought that those players would have been there without trading the picks. no one really knows if they would or wouldnt have been but i think that is the census
Trading up 4 spots for Howard and giving away our 4th forced them to trade back in the 3rd for Carroo Howard would have been there had they waited. IMO
Then they would have had their 4th round pick to get Carroo who also my have been there.
They must have had some info that Howard wasn’t going to be there. We don’t know what info they had but they would not have made the trade otherwise.
No one on here seems to like the trade ups, it is what it is. Tannenbaum’s style is to go after those he likes, no reason to beat him up about it. We’ll see soon enough, if it worked, and if not he’ll most likely be gone.
Not really any different than Rexie moving Mario to OLB. The 3-4 is his system, that’s what he’s going to use. I think it’s retarded to play the 3-4, when they were so good in the 4-3, but Rex will reap the rewards or lose his job.
All the second guessing of this guy would’ve been there…I don’t get the point of why people think they need to debate that. They made the move good or bad, it’s done.
“They must have had some info that Howard wasn’t going to be there. We don’t know what info they had but they would not have made the trade otherwise.”
Well actually Grier said they thought there was going to be a run on CB’s at that spot and the truth was the next CB was taken 16 picks later and he was rated higher on many boards than Howard
Obviously Howard was rated higher on our board so when you say he was rated higher it is relative
I agree it is how Miami rate their players, the point was that they did not need to trade up 4 spots and give up their 4th round pick to get him IMO.
They obviously couldn’t take the risk of losing him, it was the one position they had to have. They don’t care what we think, it’s their ass on the line. We all thought he’d still be there when we picked.
the day before they were trying to trade back into the 1st rd but it was too costly to do so. I thought it might have been for Ifedi because I thought they were high on him but when you look at the last part of the first round two cb’s in a row were taken at #24 and #25; Jackson III and Burns. I don’t know if they were trying to trade back into the round to take either of them or if they tried to do so after both were taken and were afraid a run on CB’s started at the end of the round. The point is, it’s very easy to sit here and say we could have had him four picks later but it was also rumored the Bears liked Howard and they picked one pick before us at #41. After we picked Howard the Bears traded down twice. All I know is before the draft everyone was screaming about how much we needed a cb and we get one and now it’s an issue. There really is no pleasing the Phins fan.
If they don’t consider Alexander a fit for what they are trying to accomplish on defense it doesn’t matter who else has him rated higher on their boards. The teams that had Alexander higher are doing something different on D; let them take him and use him. Some teams take guys regardless of scheme and try to fit a square peg in a round hole and when it doesn’t work out (Jamar Taylor) they trade him away for a 7th rd pick. Ironic that both Taylor AND Davis were both traded for 7th rd picks.
‘All the second guessing of this guy would’ve been there…I don’t get the point of why people think they need to debate that. They made the move good or bad, it’s done.’
then kind of what in the hell is the purpose of the blog? second guessing is what makes up 99% of the chat here.
Let’ em Play!
Lou
I wasn’t saying any of those players are better than the players we got, just stating that we could have gone through the draft without trading away picks, and still come away with similar talent. While I can’t say these players are as good or better, you also can’t say they aren’t.
If the team stuck to it’s board and picked the highest rated players on their boards that were fits for the team I sure can say they were better picks for the team.
Steve,
I LOVED the trade ups; especially after seeing who we took. We needed a CB and went up and got the best one remaining on the board to fit our scheme. A lot of people thought wr wasn’t a huge need for our team but I absolutely love the Carroo pick and how he fits in on our team. I don’t believe he was taken to replace anyone but, rather, to augment and strengthen and already strong unit and give Gase another weapon in his arsenal. However, if Stills isn’t re-signed at the end of the season I think Phins fans will be thanking the powers that be we picked Carroo. Like I said before, IMO, he’s a better wr at this point than either Coleman or Fuller because he’s a more complete package and has much better hands than Fuller. So, if others want to get their panties in a bunch over the trading up they can do it but I’m on board with everything they did in this draft.
New Age,
How is my war room comment ludicrous? No one here knows anything about what took place in that war room on any of the days so I think it’s safe to say that anything that is said that’s in disagreement with what Gase said is more ludicrous than anything. Sorry man, but what Gase said about how it went down on draft day is the way it went down unless someone proves otherwise. Anything to the contrary is total speculation and anyone can infer that the F.O., coaches, etc will say things that aren’t true but, again, it’s pure speculation. Wouldn’t hold up in a court of law.
If anyone here who doesn’t believe that’s the way things went said that to Gase, Tannenbaum or Grier they’d probably laugh in their face. It’s ridiculous.
FFR,
We don’t know how the team’s board was set and where they had players ranked on their board. It’s pretty clear to me they didn’t like the shorter cornerbacks and it’s probably why they didn’t like a guy like Alexander. They want length to play against the bigger receivers in the league and Howard was the one guy they had remaining on their board who gave them that. Whether or not someone on here feels that another player who was available later that had similar size was just as good doesn’t matter. They are the professionals and they get paid to do what they do. Our boards or rankings don’t matter.
Do we know any of those players will be better than who we took? No. But, do we know they would be better players for our team? No, we don’t. We also don’t have any information on any kind of issues these players have because we’re not privy to that information. So, some of those guys can have issues off the field that are red flags to the Phins and they are rated lower on their board because of that.
I spend a lot of time looking the prospects in the draft. Tons. However, I don’t have an ego so big as to think that the players I had rated high for the team or players I thought the team should take as I outlined on my blog are the best picks for the team and anything else is unacceptable. All I’m looking for is a good to great draft. When I sat there and watched the first round and we took Tunsil and Lawson was still on the board I was speechless. I thought for sure it was going to be Lawson. But when I thought about it I was like, “wow, what a great frickin pick”.
Then we traded up to get Howard and I was like, “okay, we got the corner we needed. another great pick”. Then we took Drake and I was thrown again. But, I couldn’t disagree with it because we got a darn good player. Then we trade back into the 3rd and take Carroo and, again, I was surprised but I was like, “wow, I really like what they’re doing here”. Couldn’t disagree. Not in a million years. When we took Grant in the 6th I hit the ceiling because it became clear to me what they were trying to accomplish on offense. So, I’m thrilled with the way everything went down because I can see a light at the end of the tunnel. We drafted some extremely skilled players and added what I believe is a ton of talent to the team and that’s what you want to do. Add talent. I don’t believe in having extra picks to add bodies instead of taking “the best player for your team.” Grier kept saying it. “we’re going to take the best player for our team.”
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1st amendment gives them right to say or report almost anything, including you. The Patriots were not fined for taping practices. You really don’t sound like you know what you are talking about concerning suspension of Brady’s 4 games. Maybe all this freedom in America concerning 1st amendment isn’t for you. Maybe having 1 view of stories are better suited for you like in some communist countries. In America, we have freedom of speech where one can express oneself with different views and the responsibility is upon the reader to investigate, what is true or False. In fact, in America one can write conspiracy ebooks now a days and have published for less than 200 bucks. They can say they published a #1 best seller because they sold less than 100 but more than anyone on ebooks website concerning the published subject. Moral of the story be careful what you say is fact because you were too lazy to not investigate. 1st Amendment is a privilege we were given and it’s your responsibility to not spread lies and half truths especially to your fellow bloggers. Your credibility is diminished every time you say false things.
Let me make this clear, I am in no way saying I did not like Miami taking a CB as that was a true need but the trade up 4 spots to get him cost them this years 4th round pick and that also forced them to give up the picks they did to get Carroo a WR who I do feel was not a need pick. You mean to tell me that a WR will not be available next year in the draft or FA if we need if Stills under perform this year?
Carroo was not a need they needed to get another CB or a DE or a LB in the 3rd, 4th & 5th this year. They also squandered away our 3rd & 4th next year. To tell me that we might get compensatory picks next year does not negate the fact that they can never recover those picks because they are gone and how much better it would be to have 2-3rd’s and 2-4th’s as ammo to use in next years draft or more if they somehow get more picks by trades.
I do not like giving away picks especially ones in future drafts it just don’t make sense.
Carroo better be worth it, to me I see nothing to say he was worth giving up that many picks for him.
I hope I eat my words and he is worth it.
As always “Time Will Tell”
so what did we give away for carroo and then what we gave up for moving up for our 2nd round pick. This is getting very confusing…
My feeling on the trade ups are as follows: I understand and liked the trade up for Howard even though I thought Alexander was the better prospect. It is clear that our FO had Howard rated significantly ahead of Alexander. That’s fine, they are the professionals, I am not. CB was a position of glaring need for us. They made a move to go get the guy who they thought was the best available at a position of need. I understand that and applaud the move.
I have a bit of a different take on the Carroo pick. It’s not that I don’t like Carroo or the selection of Carroo. I actually think Carroo is a very talented WR and he may well have an impact on the field. My feeling is that WR was not a position of need and I thought the trade value of what we gave up was disproportionate to the value of adding another player to what I consider a position of strength on the team.
Lou,
You are right and obviously Christensen is wrong. No one wanted Tunsil before 13 and he didn’t drop at all because of that video. Those FOs said so and no one else was in there. Myles Jack was obviously a 2nd round talent. Teams stuck to their draft boards and we weren’t there so obviously common sense has no room in the discussion. Yep, ludicrous.
who is talking about other teams? the discussion was about the Phins and what they did on draft day; not other teams.
Because you are acting like this is some unique phenomenon just in the Dolphins war room? Let’s distill your argument based off what you told Markey. You are unqualified compared to these guys but since you liked the picks, you will defend them. Since you didn’t like Ireland picks, you dont defend them. Isn’t that the argument distilled to it’s core? Because, are you any more qualified to complain about Ireland’s picks?
Sure, you are because this is America. They don’t get the right to be automatically right because you like the picks. That’s just stupid. We can all complain or judge however we want because there are guys that also aren’t in the ‘war room’ who do the same thing.and get paid millions to do it. It’s just opinions but as I mentioned earlier, Tannenbaum did destroy the Jets talent pool. That’s the worry. Everyone likes the picks that I know of. We don’t like how little Tannenbaum values picks.
Like I said before, Gase said that’s the way it went down and, unless you or anyone else can prove differently, that’s the way it went down. Whether YOU like it or not that’s the way it is. Accept it and move on.
Steve,
Tannebaum destroyed the Jets talent pool. Just like you want to keep talking about 2 champ teams, Ill talk about the 4 afterwards that were a mess because he crushed their talent pool with bad moves galore. His drafts were terrible overall and his dependence on high priced FAs to cover his ineptitude are what led to the salary cap issues. As said before, the 5 teams with the most picks left on their team all went to the playoffs last year and the 5 teams with the least all stayed home. You build from the draft.
Lou
So you’re saying whatever T and Grier did was right, because they did it. They stuck to their plan, so therefore it is right. I wish it were that easy. Just because those players met characteristics they liked, and prototypes for size etc, doesn’t make them good players for our team. They still have to perform. My point goes even further. If you believe that these players we took were the only ones who fit our system and prototypes, and no other player could have been substituted, then we don’t even need to discuss this any further, the FO obviously has you has mesmerized.
I didn’t say they were the ONLY players who fit our scheme. I said based on the team’s board they may not have been as highly rated as others because of not fitting the scheme and the guys we picked were picked because they did fit the scheme.
Yes, players still need to perform but how in the hell are you supposed to pick players if you don’t have a plan and stick to it? You need to KNOW how you want to do things on both sides of the ball and then evaluate players based on your criteria and then draft players accordingly. Like Hickey used to say, “you need to have faith in the process”.
How else can you approach the situation? You MUST have a process in place that you trust will get you the best players for your team. Do you know it worked immediately after the draft? No. No team does. It usually takes at least 3 yrs to see everything come to fruition. But, the point is, you’ve got to trust your process or you’re dead in the water.
So, yes, I’m saying that what Grier was right because he stuck to his plan. You have to because if the decisions you make prove out to be correct in the next two years you then know that your process is working. How else are you able to evaluate your process if you don’t stick to your plan? you can’t. So, like I said, you have to take what Gase said at face value. How successful is a team going to be if they don’t trust what they are doing is right? Doesn’t make much sense to me.
got a game today?what’s your record now
Happy Mothers Day to all you Mothers!
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On this board it is Happy Herd Day. 🙂
just read a article where the over/under for wins is 7.5 and they said over. It’s been proven that improving 2 games from preiuos yr is hard. I think we can get to 9-7 from 6-10.
Happy Herd Day!!!!!
Teams are going to spend huge amounts of man hours to prepare for the draft and get their board set and work their process, have all the players evaluated and have a good idea of who the best players would be for their team and come draft day they are going to take everything they worked hard on and just throw it out the window. Yeah, makes sense to me.
So Wake is signs a two year contract extension for “$15 million, including $10 million fully guaranteed at signing, and it could grow to $17 million” a source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. And that is supposed to have him signed through 2017?
But he was already on the books for this year for $8.3 mil, which isn’t much of a difference. Sounds like it was really one more year with some guaranteed money to keep him here at the old rate.
Gotta assume he is well on the mend though or it wouldn’t have happened.
Lou,
That makes no sense. There are 32 teams that are vying for players. No matter your process, things will change in every draft just like Tunsil’s and Jack’s drop. You work your board but even in the FO, things change all the time. I like that you used Hickey who didnt trade like mad to make your point? Kinda hilarious. No process survives the draft. You make decisions beforehand and then adjust based off the new changed dynamics to get who you think will be the best prospect. If anything, a team that changes and trades so much can’t have a set process or they wouldn’t be going all over the place.
yeah, it does make sense. If the team didn’t do it’s due diligence on Tunsil based on a preconceived notion that they had no shot at getting him because he was going top five they never would have been in a position to know whether or not to take him at #13. But, because they did their homework and had their security team do all the background checks in advance they were prepared to be able to have the conviction to take him at that spot. So, you can say ALL 32 teams are doing what they need to do but, to me, the Phins were the only team between maybe the #4 or #5 picks and the #13 pick that did their homework on Tunsil and the others didn’t do what they needed to do to be able to say Tunsil was their guy no matter what.
So, saying that no process survives the draft is proven wrong immediately with that #1 pick. Phins have a process and the process includes evaluating and vetting ALL players even if it’s assumed that player will go ahead of where they pick because they don’t know until draft day if something like what happened will happen. Be glad the team was smart enough to do what they needed to do to clear Tunsil in advance of draft day so when the time came to pick they could say without hesitation they know about the bong video and when it was filmed and that he’s clean and has been for quite awhile and he’s not a risk.
That’s all part of the process. That one pick should tell everyone here that they had their shit together on draft day while a bunch of other teams DID NOT.
happy mothers day Herd
To add to what Lou said. I think this coaching staff feels comfortable managing player personalities, inclusiveness those that are risky and our strong. This is evidenced by not only their selection of Tunsil but also the fact they targeted all alpha males. Having a team of alpha personalities is a great idea IF you can manage those personalities and have strength to provide those guys ample opportunities. That’s one of the reasons I think a lot of these guys are going to get the chance to contribute immediately. Keeping and alpha male in a cage, turns ugly.
Lou,
You don’t know that. For someone who is asking us to blindly follow what our FO says because they were there and we weren’t, you sure seem to know what every team does in their war room. How was Dallas’s war room anyways? Was it really fancy? Did Jerry say hi or was he too busy?
We took the risk because at 13 it was a fantastic deal, and because we were willing to take it. That has nothing to do with homework. We were willing to risk what other teams weren’t Your opinion is surprising because several of these teams have been much, much more successful than us lately. They must have some hidden talents you aren’t acknowledging.
What happened with Jack? Did Jacksonville have their shit together more than everyone else or did they take the calculated risk? Im glad that since you like our picks, suddenly our FO have their shit together. Not at all biased of a statement. You are hilarious.
I’ve liked what they’ve been doing for the past two years so it’s nothing sudden. Since Tannenbaum has joined the Phins it appears the team is more focused and has a better direction. That’s my take on it. But, yeah, I’m saying that while other teams ran scared the Phins didn’t do the same thing because they knew in advance. If other teams did what they needed to do to thoroughly vet Tunsil do you think he would have lasted until we picked? C’mon. Now THAT’s ridiculous. He was THE best player in the draft. If the other teams did what they needed to do he never would have made it to us.
Yes, Im saying that. Teams have different opinions on players. Lots of teams prefer the one without any history over the others if the talent is similar. Here’s a thought. How much worse is Stanley in your opinion? Is he comparable to Tunsil? Why didn’t we pick La’el Collins last year? Ahh, because of his issues not talent, right? C’mon! We both know this stuff. Why didn’t the Rams take him #1? Needed a QB right? So, not all teams had the same value, right? The same need like when we traded up for a CB? For need, right? Whew.
your point is lost.
How can you say it has nothing to do with doing your homework? You’re attacking me and my opinions and you keep coming off with comments like that. If the Phins didn’t do their homework; they are just like every other team and they run scared from Tunsil. They already knew everything they needed to know about the guy to be able to say “he’s our guy”. The evaluate every player and do their homework on every one regardless of where they are projected to go because, come draft day you don’t know if a situation like Tunsil’s will happen OR if a team picking ahead of them will call them with a deal to move up that’s too good to pass up. I don’t understand why this is so difficult for you to understand.
Because you act like that is the only reason and you don’t know that at all. Your opinion does not equal fact. They may not like the extra work, or his attitude. They may have had Stanley higher. They may be going for need. They may like someone else better. There’s lots of reasons Tunsil could have lasted until 13 besides…Dolphins did their homework and no other team does that shit. Who needs more homework! It makes us look like we were the only ones head of the game…but where is the basis for that opinion? Tannenbaum’s amazing draft history with the Jets? Sure, we did good but you act like we were Einstein playing with the kiddies. I dont see that.
Tunsil was considered by pretty much everyone as the top prospect in the draft. You don’t pick for need and pass up on THE top prospect; especially when the player you’re picking for need isn’t in the same zip code.
as far as the Jack pick is concerned I don’t know what Jacksonville was thinking. maybe they thought he was a good fit because “Jack” is in “Jacksonville”. However, when it came to taking Jaylon Smith there was no team that was better able to evaluate his situation than the team that took him. The Cowboy’s team doctor was the person who performed the surgery on Smith’s knee and knew the situation better than anyone.
But Tunsil isn’t an ex-Hurricane with a injury history. Sure, they did good but there lots of teams have different agendas. Im not going to say we did a better job of homework until I see a few more drafts. Im going to say we were lucky Tunsil fell, and we did a good job picking him at 13. Not at 10 with 3 picks gone but at 13.
Lou, why didn’t we trade up for Tunsil? We knew he was the 2nd top player on our board because they said so. We had to know the jets wanted him at 10 because we did our homework. Why didn’t we move up?
Let me check my Magic 8 ball.
Same as for the other picks. Your magic 8 ball explaining the draft again.
They thought he’d fall to them, and they liked the other options, if he didn’t. You can’t trade up in every round, but you better get used to trading up, because we’re going to see a lot more of it.
Quality vs quantity.
NEW AGE: I liked your views on T-Baum wrecking the Jets talent pool the last 4 years he was there. Counting Miami’s drop from 8-8 to 6-10 in T-Baum’s first year in Miami and you have 5 bad seasons in a row, interspersed with 2 seasons not working for any team (2013-2014). So I’d say any fair-minded person would certainly be within his rights to NOT give T-Baum the benefit of the doubt.
That said, T-Baum and his underlings MAY prove all the Kool-Aid drinkers right. This MAY BE the draft we’ve all been waiting for during our 15 year drought of playoff victories. But, as a resident critic of this franchise for over a decade, I believe I (and those who may also be skeptical) are entitled to say “SHOW ME!” And I truly hope they DO SHOW ME! –When I walked out of Stanford Stadium after Super Bowl XIX, I NEVER would have believed we would fail to get to the next 31 consecutive Super Bowls!!
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TWO more quick hits. 1) Happy Mother’s Day to Herd and all the other moms out there; 2) today’s TAMPA BAY TIMES has an article on free agent G-T Dominique Robertson, who finished his career at division II West Georgia University last season. He’s 6’5″, 324 pounds, bench pressed 225 pounds 30 times and ran a 5.36 40 yard dash. He’s currently in the Bucs’ camp trying to make the team. Anyone out there got info on this guy?? –Given the Fins needs in the O-Line, I’m a little concerned that they showed no interest in this guy.
OD,
It’s all about show me. I like these players but Tannenbaum’s first draft in NY was solid too.
Show me is a given here everyone seems to have that opinion, and the opinions that follow are with it in mind, so when someone says in their debate well they still have to show me, they aren’t making a point.
That opinion hasn’t always been the opinion of this board, but after the last 10+ years of futility it seems to be now.
Happy Mother’s Day, Herd! I hope you have a great day.
So the traded draft picks debate rages on. LOL
Lou it’s useless, might as well give it up, trying to explain the teams draft strategy.
I’m happy we re-signed Wake and I heard the team thinks he’ll be ready week 1. Some guys deserve loyalty and he’s one of them.
Agreed
Now let’s prolong his career by Trace Armstronging him, by having him play less on the unimportant/typical running downs.
That should be the plan.
Happy Mother’s Day to all the mom’s out there.
New Age, on Tannenbaum destroying the Jets, I just said what I remembered from the situation, you seem to know more about it than I do. I don’t follow the Jets that closely, so I’ll change my opinion.
As for the drafted players not working out, that’s on the scout team and HC as well, because it’s a team effort, Tannenbaum can’t do everything himself.
From what I’m hearing, Gases and VJ have a huge influence on the draft, and I like what I’m hearing from Grier and the scouting department, so for those reasons I like what we have going with the draft process. I don’t particularly like Tannenbaum, but he is able to influence FAs.
I have no problem with that. My hope is that with Gase, Grier, and others being a part of the process, that we do better than the jets of old. My issue has been the constant wasting of picks while he was at NY. If we can keep a solid contingent of picks every year, then I have no problem with Tannenbaum moving around as much as he wants. He ended up in a huge financial hole and very few picks to help dig him back out. In NY. he drafted really poorly the last few years. I hope our guys help him with his tendencies lol and we get guys like this year, every year. I can hope.
TBaum isn’t in this alone. Grier has a lot of say in personnel but people don’t want to believe that and just look to TBaum. He could have made himself GM when Ross hired him but he didn’t. He could have made himself GM when Hickey was let go, but he didn’t, he hired Grier. It’s a collaboration of TBaum, Grier and Gase. Like Mike and Chris both say, their job is to get Gase the players he needs. It’s not anymore complicated than that yet we fans always seem to want to create some kind of drama in the FO when all they’re trying to do is improve the team. We’ll see if this group gets it right.
We may have just had a revelation on this board, I’ve mostly disagreed with New Age since the draft, then I changed my opinion based on something he wrote, and he writes something I agree with. Amazing how what a little unstubborness will do 😉
Not a huge Tbaum fan. He did hit some nice picks for the Jets but he also put that team in cap hell and gave Mark Sanchez one of the worst contracts ever.
Seems no one likes Tannenbaum, some may like some of the things he does, but not overall.
Ken, on your dislike of the Carroo trade up, they said because of their top 3 WRs hitting FA in each of the next 3 seasons they saw value in Carroo and decided to move up.
WR is a huge importance to this O, you get it right and it helps the rest of the team, by keeping the O on the field longer.
But this team has many holes and giving picks hurts the ability to fill those holes but who is going to play S this year? What is our DE rotation? We still need 2 LBs
I don’t think this team has many holes. Where exactly are they?
Jones, IAQ and Aikens are the safeties, we have 9 DEs on the roster (10 if Jordan comes back) and we’ll likely keep 4-5, and we have 5 LBs that will be in the mix. I don’t get where you see holes?
What player selected in the 4th round was going to be better than we already have at S or LB?
You draft a guy in the 4th, on average his first year he plays ST and a few plays from scrimmage, then in year 2 he tries to get a starting spot, and suffers the growing pains if he does, if he’s one of those that makes it by year 3 he may be a contributor.
Some seem to suggest the 4th round pick we traded away was actually going to contribute this year.
lou,
not sure what your long post to me is all about. i dont follow the players like you all do before the draft. i dont see the point. i just said i dont like trading away picks for players. that the players the fins, the ones it basically took the fins two draft picks to obtain, have to be substantially better then ones it took one draft pick to obtain. if any one wants to argue that logic go ahead i am not sure how one can.
i am pretty sure that is what mike was saying by comparing other players available at the same time. those only took one pick to obtain
It falls into the logic of the team saw a possible star and made the trade, so instead of having 3 Jags they’d rather have 1 star.
We’re not saying one way is better than the other, we’re just explaining their thought process.
If the team is good nobody will care how we acquired players. If we’re not a good team then there will be a lot of blame to go around and not just traded draft picks.
For the record, the 3rd we gave up next year was replaced by a 3rd we didn’t have this year to select Carroo. We had two 3rds this year in Drake and Carroo. So we gave up a 6th this year and a 4th next year to draft Carroo this year. I don’t see why it’s such a big deal. And if we get those comp picks we expect next year, we replace those picks.
Not true these guys will still care how the players were acquired. We’ve been drafting the Jags for the last 40 years let’s try something different.
Okay, I should say I won’t. 🙂
It also seems that many fans aren’t as high on LBs Hewitt and Vigil as the team apparently is. They are in the mix and the reason is they earned that by showing promise last season. So it’s not like some 3rd through 5th rd LB this year was going to be a clear cut upgrade. I also thought we’d add another LB in the draft but when we didn’t it confirmed they like what they have in Alonso, Jenkins, Misi, Hewitt and Vigil. Then we added Paysinger again and 3 UDFAs. We’re only going to keep 6-7 LBs and most of the time only two LBs are the field because of all the sub-packages played these days.
I don’t view us as having voids at LB. Keep your eye on the UDFA rookie James Burgess, he could surprise as a nickel LB – he excelled in coverage at Louisville.
We were the worst LB in the NFL last year and we are oft injured player different
Sheppard was a big part of that in the middle. You’re acting as if young promising players can’t help us get better. Also Alonso is a huge upgrade over Sheppard. You can’t build a team worrying about injuries because it happens to everyone.
Jenkins played hobbled with a high ankle sprain all season, those are hard to overcome without sitting out 4-6 weeks. You know players try to play through it and that obviously hurt his play. But what, you toss him to the curb because he hurt his ankle and he’s not worthy anymore. Every teams suffers quite a few injuries every season, it’s not just us.
Look at what happens to Dallas when Sean Lee is hurt, their defense isn’t as good because he’s a really good LB and hard to replace.
So do you think just by drafting LBs that they’re instant upgrades and they’re immune to injury?
I forgot Hull as well.
Some guy said the teams that are good draft well and keep their draftees on the team, so I guess that’s the only way to build a team. Having a great QB doesn’t have anything to do with them being good I guess. When you have a great QB the margin for error in everything else you do is greater.
Did everybody read the interview with Tunsil’s mom the day before the draft?
“We had two 3rds this year in Drake and Carroo”
Add Grant that makes a WHOLE lot of trouble!
CHICAGO — Desiree Tunsil Polingo always knew her son was talented.
However, it wasn’t until his freshman season at Ole Miss, when Laremy Tunsil dominated Southeastern Conference defensive line, did she entertain the idea that his NFL dreams would one day come true.
“He went through the season with just one sack and I was like, ‘Wow,’” Polingo said. “Then he went through the next season and I was thinking, ‘Hey, he’s doing well.’ It was then that I started thinking he could be really be good at it.”
Tunsil will be drafted in the first round of the NFL Draft Thursday. He could go as high as No. 3 to the San Diego Chargers or as low as No. 6 to the Baltimore Ravens. Several teams, most notably the Tennessee Titans, are rumored to be angling to move into the top five if the Chargers pass on Tunsil and select another player, likely Florida State cornerback Jalen Ramsey.
“It’s all a blessing just to have the opportunity to go,” Polingo said. “I know I’m going to cry. I’ve said I’m not going to cry, but I’ll probably cry tears of joy, just that through everything that he’s gone through, he’s here and by the grace of God, he made it and he’s still humble and he’s still that same outgoing, friendly guy.”
Not surprisingly, Polingo is more proud of her son for his character than she is for his football exploits. Specifically, she beams when she talks about the work he put in after suffering a broken leg in Ole Miss’ Peach Bowl loss to TCU on Dec. 31, 2014, and for the way he handled a trying junior season, one that saw him miss the first seven games of the season after he received improper benefits last summer.
Anyway the question was – Where will they play? sheeeeeesh
Happy Mother’s Day to our friend Herd and to all of the wives and Mother’s of all of you bloggers, I’ve met some of them and they all deserve any accolades and acknowledgement they can get for putting up with you guys.
Teams target prospects they like, they don’t just take guys just because they’re available.
For at least 3 drafts now i have been against the “trade down to get more picks” concept. I think the reverse is the way to go. I have said repeatedly that we don’t need more men, as no team can have more than 53. What we need, IMHO, is more stars.
Thus I agree with Steve above. 1 star is better than 3 JAGs or 1 guy who fits our system perfectly is better than 3 guys whose natural skillset does not match our scheme.
Happy Herd Day
We have lots of good players. That’ll only get you to 7-9 or 8-8, because the great coaches will exploit your weakest player and make that guy be the most important guy on the field. Stars can help those guys out and even better, stars can generate plays even while your weakest guy is getting beat.
It’s like the Jets who now have 3 3rd string QBs. WTF is that worth? Why keep drafting guys with a rating of “OK” unless they have some special talent to add, such as Jakeem Grant who is only an OK grade WR due to his size, except that he runs a 4.2 40.
I think it’s worth mentioning that the jests were 💩 before Tannebaum got there
And remain 💩 now