Call it whatever you’d like but I have to make a stipulation or correction. In my zest to kiss these rookies ass and to also welcome the vets who were brought in I referred to, in my previous post, our recent year’s Free Agency periods as “making a splash” and while true in most cases this simply cannot, nor will it be tolerated, include the signing of Ndamukong Suh. Bringing Suh to Miami was genius and will pay off in spades. Suh is a special talent. Suh is the bedrock of this team, the biggest meanest sumbitch in the league. 
Suh didn’t show up to voluntary camp, what a bad teammate, blah, blah, blah … wee wee wee
I don’t care if Suh only shows up on 16 Sunday’s (even though a gratis Friday walk thru would be nice, but whatever…) if whatever makes him so pissed off to have to leave where he is that he brings that anger on Sunday.
Is the 4-3 alright for you?
We can play something else if you want?
That kind of talent, don’t kid yourself.
So yes there is a Stipulation. You better believe it.
If you are Herman Cain then it’s “stip-a-lation”, no matter, I love Herman.
Alright Suh didn’t catapult the Fins into the playoffs last year and the Defense as a whole had it’s problems but I’m going to do with Suh what the Tannehill crowd does with him. I blame coaching and scheme, I blame lack of direction and stubbornness to adhere to a dismal plan. I expect Coach Gase and his staff to truly understand the player they have and to use him to their fullest advantage. Let the beast feed – feed the beast.
If I were the coaching staff I would intentionally piss Suh off every game day. Move his locker to a different spot every week. Don’t have his uniform ready and waiting for him. Perhaps a wet-willy, maybe a pink belly, noogie, tie his shoelaces together or the old hot foot.
Whatever it takes to get him to his utmost pissed-offness.
Suh is here, and so is a new coaching staff, everything is different now!!!
Finsmob Unleashed 
Hickory Dickory Dock
Some chick was……
Oh wait, you said limericks.
OH!
Tim
I’m not even discussing Minnesota, only you are. I’m just talking about the Miami Dolphins. We used pick #86, and traded our 2017 3rd RD, and 4th RD picks. Again, we used 3 picks to draft him.
No we did not! We got a 3rd that didn’t exist for us. I guess you don’t believe in +/- or differential.
You walk away with 3 baseball cards and me one. You think I gave up 1 and you got 4. That would be a +3. I’ll make that trade with you again if that’s how you feel. 🙂
LOL, you’re using Abbott and Costello logic.
Reverse that, I gave up 4 and you 1.
Tim, here’s what Mike wrote:
Leonte Carroo
Is better than Suh
Although he did cost 3 picks
If we just used our own pick on him it would’ve COST us 1 pick, but we didn’t have that pick, so we traded 3 picks to get the pick to select him, so it COST us 3 picks.
And I thought Mike was stubborn 😉
Hey, does anyone know what we traded for Carroo?
+2, therefore we used 2 picks on him, the other one doesn’t count, because it snows in Minn. in the winter 😉
Mike im not even wanting to know what quality person you envisioned in that threesome scenario where you guys were pitching in 10 bucks each….
LOL – I was waiting for that. It took long enough.
I was also half expecting “Of course the Jew finds the coupon” too, but I guess that would have been pushing the envelope a little. lol
Mike, everyone knows you used the other dollar to by air freshener to cover up the smell of dead hooker….basic porn hotel economics dude….
Lets say we take the two comp picks we get and trade them back so many times that by time the 7th round hits BAM all dolphins so GTFO other teams because its our time to SHINE… are we still net -2 on that trade?
Tareq Azim @tareqazim · May 5
Again! My man @dionj95 cooling down with concentrated fatigue breakthrough blasts #proudcoach… https://www.instagram.com/p/BFCYxUrrj0F/
When’s this dog & pony show between Dion FF & Tareq Azim end?
Either he is getting reinstated or they’re trying out for Men’s Fitness mag endorsements…SMH
Tareq Azim @tareqazim · May 6
Power Slam warm up @dionj95 setting standards for his ability #proud #diggindeep… https://www.instagram.com/p/BFFRGFYLjxD/
Tareq Azim @tareqazim · May 6
Don’t stop Won’t stop @dionj95 @empowersf #hurtsogood #dolphins #nfl #gratitude #humilityfight https://www.instagram.com/p/BFFhgWtLjww/
The bottom line is at the end of the day MIN will have three players and we will have one. They get two more than us. That’s how trade ups work. If you want to say the 3rd is an extra that we spent to select the player so you can say we used three picks to get him (not sure how that’s possible because of course you have to use the pick for someone or it goes away), then so be it. That’s not how I view trade ups.
MIN/MIA – 3rd 2016/2017 wash
MIN/MIA – MIA gives up a 2016 6th and 2017 4th to make that trade happen. You didn’t think MIN would just accept a swap did you? LOL
If you had $3 and you gave it to me to buy you a beer, and I gave $1 to the bartender and stuck $2 in my pocket, and he handed me a beer, then I gave you the beer, how much did the beer cost you? How much did the beer cost you, not how many dollars do I have in my pocket.
BTW Mikey, good Jews would know they didn’t need to find coupons today…you look that shit up online! Jews created the internet for coupon hunting!
I’m a baaaaaaaaaaaaad booooooooy Abbott
Tareq Azim @tareqazim · May 7
Dion Jordan Miami Dolphins DE #95 week 2 of self development ! #overachiever #stableofchampions @empowersf
I crawl around like that too when I’m tweaked out on peyote.
When’s this dog & pony show between Dion FF & Tareq Azim end?
Either he is getting reinstated or they’re trying out for Men’s Fitness mag endorsements…SMH
Okay last example: MIN uses 4 picks for 3 players. Make sense now? It’s a +2 trade from us to them.
And a blow job cost $100, but that’s not what the statement was.
That one with the medicine ball throwing it in the ground, i used to do those in the training i did at home when football wasn’t in session, and our coaches didn’t have anything organized for us to do as a team. I also had a modified tire swing i could put around me like a harness and tied it to a tree and just scratch and claw trying to either break the rope or pull the tree down whichever came first. even when i go back to my hometown now and go to my parents house in the yard is the big ruts in the ground i made from the hours and hours i did that exercise.
I have been working with my son, who even though he isnt that big, the coaches decided to put him on DL, doing similar exercises with medicine ball. He does those, and he does one where i make him go from a hands down position exploding up with his hands throwing me a medicine ball to work on the force of his hand punch and power etting under the OL pads.
^ No. 86: Minnesota → Miami (D). Minnesota traded this selection to Miami in exchange for Miami’s sixth-round selection (186th) and Miami’s third- and fourth-round selections in 2017.[source 17]
The way I read Caroo’s quote was he was saying back then he competed against them or high quality guys like them. Maybe I’m giving him too much of the benefit of the doubt, but that is how I read it from the first time I saw it.
NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 10m10 minutes ago
Dolphins Have Discussed Possibly Signing CBs Leon Hall & Antonio Cromartie http://bit.ly/1R0w3GI #Dolphins #NFL
Jordan’s tape looked like Jack’s, real relaxed and nothing too telling though he look thinner which tells me he was bulking up too aggressively and got caught among other things that were reported – the ganja etc.
We gave 3 picks for 1 and then spent that one, that’s 4 picks. What am I missing?
here we go. lol
How does it effect a roster? How many more players does MIN end up with?
Maybe 6, maybe 8, how many players did the Cheats get in the trade with us, it doesn’t matter its irrelevant.
The answer is two then you evaluate the value of the trade, not how many picks it took to take a prospect. You always have to use the pick. By the way we had 8 draft picks this year not 4-5 and we have more than 4-5 next year. So relax homies. LOL
I apologize to everyone about my Marino comments, I did not mean to “trash” him and “throwing him under the bus” is a silly exaggeration of my noting his alternative to taking sacks. He is in the HoF for god sakes … what an anonymous little blogster says cannot tarnish that.
Tim
FOUR PICKS!!! It was FOUR!!! lol
Someone see’s the light
If we were to sign Cromartie and Hall to a team-friendly deal I’d be good with it because we could use a veteran presence at cb.
Never can have too many CBs
Yeah, we can. If we have 8 already on the roster and we add 2 more, how much did it cost us?
6, because you subtract 2 from 8 that leaves 6, but if they were signed before May 12th it would’ve been 4, because we would’ve lost 2 comp picks.
Lol, nice Steve but we are past that timeframe so time to get them.
But what if Minn. likes them too and we have to give Minn. compensation for talking to them?
Good point. Fuck them then! Just Minnesota. 😉
If I paid $5 for a beer, and the bartender took the $5 and went into the alley and bought some weed. What did the fox say?
Pass the doochy to the left hand side…?
eeeee Timmybon.
Tim
Please stop bringing Minnesota into it. Just talk about the Dolphins. We acquired the 86th pick by trading 2 of our picks next year. We no longer have those 2 picks. We used the pick we acquired in the trade to select Carroo. That is a total of 3 picks, and I don’t give a flying fuck what Minnesota has, or how much Dunkin Donuts coffee is in Siberia.
The third is gone
The 6th is gone
The seventh is gone
The third we got is gone
—————-
4
Lol
That’s wrong, because Minnesota has to use those picks, so it’s zero.
I think we need to look at the “future value tables” to determine how this trade actually worked out for us. what’s the future value of a 3rd rd and 4th rd pick one year from now?
I already did that we gave up 160 pts to get 220.
lol. I was joking. I’m using the “future value tables” in reference to the time value of money. lol
Sorry Lou it wasn’t dumb enough.
That’s wrong by the way.
Here’s how it played/will play out.
2016 MIA from MIN – 3rd from MIN and a 6th from MIA for Carroooooooo – (MIN loses a 2016 3rd and we lose a 6th which we ended up with two of them)
2016 MIN from MIA – our 6th to SD for FB Derek Watt – (have no idea what they did with it but who cares, not our business?)
2017 MIN from MIA – 3rd and 4th rd pick for who?
What are we debating?
Having said that, I was not a dewy eyed kid when he played … like most of you were. I am old. I distinctly remember some commentators saying “Marino would throw it to the waterboy rather than take a sack.” Some of you think that is better than taking the sack. I don’t. But that IS a strategy.
At least you should know that he did that, that he was known for doing it that way, and let us learn from that. Maybe Gase et al should teach Tannehill to throw it to the waterboy like Marino did. Maybe that would be better than taking so many of those sacks. I’m up for anything that gets us W’s.
That is still not me trashing Marino. I am a big fan of his. But he’s not God.
He absolutely should throw more balls away. I scream at my tv “THROW IT” then boom he gets hit.
Especially on 3rd down in FG range.
Go talk to Tim and see which one of you can figure out how many of Marino’s throw away’s it cost for Carroo.
If Jordan gets reinstated and you can trade him to San Fran for their 1st and 2nd in ’17 would you do it?
How many picks is that total?
I can’t tell. I have the Son in my eyes.
In a second. I’d do that trade with almost any player especiywith a guy with no strikes left.
DOLPHINS get: 2016 Rd. 3 (No. 86): WR Leontee Carroo
VIKINGS get:
2016 Rd. 6 (No. 186): Traded
2017 Rd. 3
2017 Rd. 4
Son is right, I thought we only traded the 3rd and 4th, but we also traded the 6th.
FOUR PICKS > Thanks Sonny!
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25568802/nfl-draft-trade-tracker
Scroll down, it’s there.
we traded 3 picks to get 1. 3 minus one equals 2. we used a pick to get Carroo. that’s 3.
You forgot the differential 😉 and the tranny and the axle.
LMAO,
Jon Rambo @kodiclub · 9m9 minutes ago
Leon Hall could be solid for the Dolphins No interest in Cromartie but he should probably have a 23 year old son worth looking at #Dolphins
Lol
naples, there’s no shame in speaking the truth in world full of lies.
Piggy NOT going to be happy
Bloomberg @business · 5m5 minutes ago
China eats so much pork that two feed producers become billionaires http://bloom.bg/1QZ75HI
So what did it cost them to be billionaires?
But nobody could go get a score late the way Marino always did.
If Tannehill could be even half as good late as Marino was we’re a playoff team.
Was the pick for Carroo three or four?
Will the cost later be even more?
We wont know for a while as we stew,
Except Tim who swears it’s just two,
Either way, we hope he enters Dolphins lore
When will we see another dynasty?
Remind us of Shula’s start in 1970?
Will the start be after we paid for Suh?
Or when we drafted the confident Carroo?
Let’s hope it started when we paid for Mr T.
I got nothin
lol
If you look at Marino’s career he only completed more than 60% of his passes 5x in his 17 yrs and only threw for more than 4,000 yds 6x in 17 yrs but Marino didn’t throw bubble screens like NFL qb’s do today.
How many players will the Vikes end up with and how many do we? Oh right 4-0. LOL
I think the real question should be “will the Vikings go 4-0 to start the season because of those four picks?”
They’ll get 3 and we got one that’s 4 like I said
That’s a + 2. They get 3 players on their roster with a 2016 6th and a 2017 3rd and 4th, and we get a 2016 3rd they no longer have that we added – they gave it up. 3-1 has always be a + two in my book. I’m not up on the new math. LOL
Lets hope it works:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15520923/new-england-patriots-te-rob-gronkowski-cover-madden-nfl-17
Way to pay the fee Newage good job
Thanks he just spit all over me
Tim your talking net loss or gain I’m talking gross (and unless Caroo plays well it could be)
The draft is a commodity trade. It’s about looking for the BPA, not just staring at shares. Oh yeah all the draft positions are always great, look at how weak this reported deep LB class was? It was sub par outside of a lot of risks. I saw mocks with guys in the 2-4 rounds that went 6-7 or undrafted. I’m not buying it next year.
Need for the fandom is not the way to draft or acquire talent.
ding, ding, ding. we have a winner!
Tim is using common core math guys. Give him a break lol.
Marino 36 comeback wins in 17 yrs for an average of 2.18 per year.
Tannehill 9 comeback wins in 4 yrs for an average of 2.25 per year.
A. Luck 10 …2.5/yr
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm
Surprising actually
Tannehill had 9 comeback wins in his first 4 yrs? when did that happen?
Not going to look any further because I can see that stat is incorrect already just by looking at one of those so-called comeback wins is the WSH game from last season that was won when Landry returned the punt for the td and the D stopped WSH to seal the deal.
The numbers were complied for all the QBs using the same rules.
it doesn’t matter. a comeback win for a qb means the QB is the one responsible for bringing the team back and winning; not the punt returner. PLUS, you can’t have a comeback win when you never trailed. how stupid is that?
the NE game at end of season wasn’t a comeback win either. NE scored 7 in the 3rd to tie it up 10-10 and then we outscored them 10-0 in the 4th. How is that a comeback win? Who makes this shit up?
If Tannehill had not won that game, people would’ve complained that we had to settle for a tie and ties SUCK.
can’t have a comeback win when you never trailed.
this is as bad as that Twitter moron Cian Fahey coming up with his own stat “non-qb interceptions” to try and show that tannehill wasn’t responsible for 8 of the 12 int’s he threw last yr.
The limericks have cracked me up!
NFL stat correction — Aaron Hernandez gets the full murder sack rather a half. Go Pats!
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Ernest Wallace, who was with Aaron Hernandez the night the former NFL star shot and killed Odin Lloyd, was found not guilty of murder. Wallace was, however, found guilty of being an accessory to the murder of Lloyd after the fact.
Wallace, who has been jailed since June 2013, faces a maximum of seven years of prison.
Defense attorney David Meier argued that while Wallace was “no boy next door,” it was “Aaron Hernandez and Aaron Hernandez alone who killed Odin Lloyd.” And the jury agreed.
Herd,
This one’s funny on twitter.
Brian Bilston @brian_bilston
There once was a poet on Twitter
who grew increasingly bitter.
He couldn’t surmount
the strict character count
and so his poems got even shi
Good one
Herd couldn’t get her fillery
In a state that won’t vote for hillary
She wanted some jokes
From these fat ol blokes
But settled for bullshit and nonsense
Tim likes to use the new math
No matter what gets thrown in his path
4 equals 2
No matter if true
To which the blog gives their frustrated wrath
Russell Wilson 13 in 4 for a 3.25/yr ratio which is the best i can find off a quick scan.
Matt Ryan 24 in 8 yrs for a 3/yr
Matt Stafford 17 in 7 for a 2.43/yr.
Derek Carr 5 in 2 for a 2.5/yr
Naples
I’m shocked about the comeback stats. I can’t remember these comebacks, but I believe they exist. What constitutes a comeback BTW? Does it have to be the 4th quarter, or can it be down 3-0 in the 1st quarter?
apparently, you don’t even have to be behind at all according to those stats.
I’m not arguing whether the rules are applied equally to all qb’s. whether they are or not isn’t the point. the point is you can’t have a comeback if you never trailed and you can’t give a qb a comeback win if he’s not the one responsible for the win. so, THAT goes equally to all the qb’s too. I just know for a fact that the WSH & NE games are incorrect b/c it’s easy enough to look up. All I’m saying is the stat means nothing when you make up arbitrary rules.
The definition can be argued without a doubt, but the rules are applied to all QBs equally and all teams and games and years, so the ratio comparisons remain the same.
Marino had a flair for the dramatic no doubt, but some of his numbers were not all that great, for example cold completion %age.
you don’t know if the ratio comparisons remain the same without looking at every game for every qb to determine whether it was an actual comeback or not. In Marino’s games, for instance, we could have been trailing late in the majority of those games and he took us down the field to win whereas, in Tannhill’s games you have situations like you’ve got with WSH and NE. So, unless you go and look at the scoring in all the games you don’t know if the ratio will remain the same.
the reason why you can’t remember them is because they never happened.
When Dan did it we went to the playoffs when Tannehill dies it we’re 6 games under .500
Naples – What are the parameters? Does it say anywhere?
Never mind – It says 4th QTR game winning drives.
t/y …and yes if the game is tied, a score after that is a WINNING score.
It can also be argued that Marino lost some of his comeback wins due to that shitty “prevent” defense that was popular at the time and sucked IMHO. And it still does. Look at us losing to A.Rodgers and M.Stafford after we had those games won until Philbin called defensive timeouts.
Tannehill lost those comeback wins, so shit like that evens out.
I don’t see how you guys want something to be true so badly that you ignore mathematically sound numbers. Dan Marino was a GREAT QB, but he also had a GREAT HC.
Do you think Tom Brady wins all those SBs with Philbin as HC? Montana had Walsh, etc. etc.Bradshaw, Staubach, etc. etc. It takes more than a QB to win in the NFL. It takes a HC.
what are the mathematically sound numbers?
Tannehill sucks!
And he better fucking quit it
No excuses!
Some of us argue against a QB being given a W or L when the team wins or loses, but lots of folks use the team’s W-L record to criticize Tannehill, but i saw for a fact that the back-up center snapped the ball on the wrong count and lost us that game last year on the 1 yd line.
That was a comeback drive that Tannehill engineered that he got cheated out of. Shit happens both ways, good shit and bad shit. Over a career it evens out.
and that doesn’t even count the snaps for safeties that Tannehill had to come back from in what was it 3 games in a row??????!!!??!!!!!!
I saw Tanny miss an uncovered Landry from our own 5 and threw it short in the middle so we punted.
I saw
pussStills . . . . Ah, never mind. lolyeah, one comeback win out of 16 games in the season.
There was a QB named Ryan
Get rid of him! many fans were cryin’
Then in his 5th year
The best of his career
The Dolphins were champs even with the Patriots spyin’
Awesomeness!
LOL and on that great poem and that optimistic note, I will leave you all to your fun for the evening. Thank you all for another stimulating and enlightening football discussion.
Go Dolphins!.
G’nite Naples – Thanks for bringing out that very enlightening, and sobering to some, statistic
So Lou if you don’t like the numbers, then you say they are tweaked only in support of your position? The guys making those tweaks have absolutely no bias in favor of Tannehill. They were were running database/ spreadsheet computations on formulae. Why would that favor anyone?
not saying they do. you can look at any of those qb’s and probably find so-called comeback wins that weren’t really a comeback win either. I just knew there was no way Tannehill had that many comeback wins and the WSH and NE games from last yr prove it.
Again, not saying there’s a bias, just that the stats are incorrect. if they are incorrect for Tannehill it’s probably a good bet they are incorrect for others as well.
And the bottom line is the comeback stats, are just stats. You get credit for sucking for 3 quarters.
Marino got credit for sucking for 3 qrtrs 36 times then. That is a little over 2 suckings per year.
2 suckings per year is what its like to be married
Lol @ Piggy
How many suckings are you getting per year not being married Pig?
Yep, shouldn’t have had the team trailing in the first place.
Man, I’d take 1 sucking a year. Serves me right for getting married . . . .
rotflmao
Listen, the bottom line on Tannehill is the coaches and FO know more than any of us & they’re sticking with Tannehill at this time. John Kitna said Gase took the job because of Tannehill and the WR core when he was first hired. Jeff Darlington said the same thing yesterday & the fact that Gase strongly believes he can mold RT into a top level QB. So dont overthink it & think you know something they don’t….try to enjoy 2016.
Let’s hope Gase is right, lets hope the team buys in
I think the key is as always up front & not just for the QB. We need our front to control the LOS for our run game to be consistent. I’m hoping Foerester was the right man for the job. He seemed to do well w/ SF OL the last few years even when dealing with injuries. That’s they key for me to everything.
Did we know something the previous group didnt?
There once was this Conch
Waiting for the 2016 season to launch
Carrooooooooooooooooo
Ifooooooooooooooooooo
If Gronk was German would they call him Graunch?
I ran out of things that rhyme with conch
Ponch
If Tannehill throws a TD pass to Carroo this year, do we get 6 points, 6 – 2 because we used 2 extra picks to get him, or 6 X 3 because he’s worth 3 players?
I’m wondering if they both get a gay whale sticker on their helmets.
If you are old enough to remember Marino play you remember how he could take us down the field in about 4 or 5 plays, sometimes less, and the D would come back on the field and give it right back. Now, that’s a poor defense. Marino had to keep scoring because the D couldn’t stop anyone. That’s a huge difference from a team like last year’s with an offense that couldn’t score and fans blaming the defense for losing games.
Ponch is no easier to work into a limerick than Graunch
You’re a fucking lawyer…practically Satan….you can do it!
Conch
launch
B
C
ponch
There you go.
Don’t leave out staunch & more importantly Raunch!
God Bless you Naples….good stuff….
It’s a shame so called Phin fans still want to argue & crap all over Tanny no matter what.
Like you said, just to keep from budging off their horse that they’re beating to death to be seen as right….smh!
argue and crap all over Tanny. the stats where put up on the blog to show that Tannehill had more comeback wins per year than Marino and try and prove how good he is and the stats are bogus. you can’t have comeback wins when you either weren’t involved in the comeback or never trailed. so how is it trashing Tannehill to prove the stats incorrect? You can take two of those comebacks away right off the bat with the WSH and NE games from last season. It’s not about bashing Tannehill. It’s about setting the record straight.
Like I said earlier too. There’s a guy who went thru the trouble of coming up with his own stat, “non-qb interceptions” and came up with the bogus contention that 8 of the 12 int’s Tannehill threw last season weren’t his fault so he really only threw 4 int’s all year. Didn’t have anything else to back it up; we were just supposed to take it at face value. yet, if you go back and look at all 12 int’s you’ll see he’s wrong.
It’s great how ppl consider it bashing Tannehill because you prove bogus stats to be wrong. PPl can post all the bogus stuff they want to say, “hey, look at this. this proves my point” but you can’t say anything to the contrary without someone saying you’re bashing Tannehill. I don’t know why so many ppl feel the need to protect this kid.
“feel the need to protect this kid?”
well somebody’s gotta do it cuz the OL sure ain’t and it’s THEIR JOB!
45 sacks, 15 of which were due to him holding the ball too long. So, he was sacked an average amount of times due to the lack of OL protection. What about the other 500+ pass plays they protected him on?
Marino yds per pass = 7.3
Tannehill yds per pass = 6.9
That’s not even a half a yd difference
and Marino had Clayton and Duper streaking free down both sidelines every play.
and Dellenbach , Sims, Webb, and Ron Heller in the OL.
gotta love stats. they prove so much.
Lou, nobody is suggesting Tanny is better than Marino, that’s ludicrous, so stop putting words in others mouths.
The point to be taken was, hey Tannehill has some solid potential and has shown good glimpses of it. So let’s not be so quick to dismiss him.
Have you forgot about the 17 QB’s we went thru after #13 retired???
I do, guys like Cleo Lemon etc etc….so I’m enjoying having a real QB with some potential for once, compared to those past 17 clowns prior to #17!
again, not saying anyone is saying RT is better than Dan. Just pointed out that the stats on PFR were incorrect and then I’m crapping all over Tannehill again. I’m sorry. I just refuse to live in la la land.
Lou, I also apologize for knocking you as trashing Tanny on these stats that Naples is putting up.
I’m just used to you ranting a lot of anti-Tanny stuff in the past, so I took it as more of that.
I hope all true Phin fans can come together and support the team, which includes the QB….thanks.
not a problem. like I said on the other blog. we’re here to talk Phins, debate and I think it’s fun. I take no offense to what anyone says. it’s only a game.
I would like to take this opportunity to highly commend Professor Lou for his predraft Mock in which he called two of our picks. Caroo and Grant. I got The Alabama RB correct, but that’s it.
Lou mentioned that these two guys were brought in to Miami for extended looks and that the coaches really loved them, so he correctly predicted that we would draft them when I had personally never even heard of them (aside from seeing them in the list on CBS and NFL Big boards).
KUDOs to ProfessorLou!
thanks for the mention. If I were smart I would have gotten the Duarte pick correct also.
I was really banging the drum for Drake myself, a tad bit on Howard, although I had Burns ahead of him…but like most here, I figured we were going to take more defense, but it didn’t fall that way.
I was banging the drum for Lawson but thought we’d target LB early
I think I just entered the Twilight Zone. lol
Not to change the subject, but can someone put up a poll or let’s just do it informally?
If Tunsil had not fallen to us, who were we going to take at #13?
I say CB Jackson III, because ASAP we took a CB at the top of round 2, even trading up to do it, as that was a HUGE position of need for us.
I think it would have been Lawson.
yeah but that really bums me out since he went to my school and now I have to root against him 2x /yr. Bad enough with Sammy up there in White Hell already.
Lou
I really love the Duarte pick. Imagine getting the starting player at his position for UCLA in the 7th Rnd! That is a big time program. He got 10 TDs as a TE. Who does that?
I really like the pick too. Think he’s got a lot of potential. He said he’s working on his inline blocking and I really don’t see him having an issue with that because he strikes me as a no nonsense type of guy who just wants to go out there and do his job. I think he sticks and becomes one of our best pass catching TE’s.
protoype H-Back
will be interesting to see what they’ve got in mind for him
https://twitter.com/thefunnyvine/status/730937002019934208
that’s not funny; it’s terrible and the parents are assholes.
For posting that
Yeah I think shitty parents post their kids falling
But I don’t think she’s hurt
Toe shoes?
Must be a millennial
I think Lou and I just said the same thing
Trying to compare Marino’s stats to RT is like comparing Staubach’s with Ryan Fitzparick’s, different Era different rules.
I’ll take Marino 1000 times out of a hundred over Tannehill
Stats aren’t really any different than the combine numbers, the eye test is more important, if a guy looks fast on the field he plays fast, if he runs fast in shorts, but doesn’t look fast on the field he plays slow.
Okc beating San Antonio badly
Series over, watch Cleveland sweep through the east, then get swept against west.
Tim Duncan still on the court with :29 left in the game down 14. Only reason I see is this is his last game.
Kudos to the DOLPHINS players for spending time with the kids from the special Olympics! That is awesome. Thank you to those guys they deserve recognition
Stip-a-lation
Willis?
Reed?
No whatChou talking about Willis?
Guys like Duarte can make it, if they have good strong hands, which you don’t measure by drops, but by how you do catching the ball in traffic.
Carroo keeps mentioning 29 TDs and only 3 drops, that’s a sign of good concentration. Landry and Parker have strong hands.
Hopefully better than Cameron does. I think Duarte has a chance to make a difference here.
Besides last year I don’t remember a year when all the draft picks looked so promising.
What’s the difference between short guys that make it like Sproles and those that don’t like Archer? I think it’s toughness, that’s why I think Grant has a good chance to be good.
Toughness and IQ.
Grant seems to have both, at least he did in college.
Not sure if Grant can put on a little more weight, especially in his legs, it just makes it harder to bring him down with that low center of gravity. In any case, toughness is important, no doubt.
They should figure that out this year, and if he needs to they’ll pack on the muscle next year. I have confidence this regime will do the right things, they seem to do some of the obvious things like this that we suggest here.
Steve
Stip-a-lation is the name of the article we’re on.
Aiight
Mike I want Cameron to succeed, he’s our Gronk on the goal line. If he doesn’t make it under Gase, then he won’t have much of a future.
With Gase calling the plays, no one on O will have an excuse, getter done or hit the road.
NO EXCUSES!!
College hands don’t translate to NFL hands. Anyone remember Troy Williamson or Derek Hagan?
That’s why I added they need strong hands. Boldin is someone Carroo compares himself to.
In basketball you do wrist exercises for range, I would think all receivers would do something similar to strengthen their hands.
I don’t know anything about the debate that was going last evening with Tanny and Marino and the stats, I just saw it as I was amusing myself with the limericks. My thought is this: Statistics can be very misleading especially the more time that passes. How many games do you see and when it’s over the stats don’t really depict how close or how lopsided the game actually was? As time goes by you may forget those nuances and are left with those sometimes misleading ‘facts’….the stats.
That’s pretty much what I say every time someone uses stats to back their opinion. The eye test has to be passed first. My high school math teacher used to say when checking an algebra equation, that results in a > b, don’t check your work with a=2 and b=3, use a=5000 and b=2, so it’s near impossible to make a mistake.
Stats are the same way, you look for ways that the great stat someone posted could be irrelevant, by coming up with an extreme situation. Grimes had 10 interceptions, but 5 were on last second hail mary’s with the score out of hand and 3 were when trailing big in the 4th or whatever. Point being you had to see when they occurred, the stat alone means nothing.
Who’s eyes do we use for the eye test? Lots of people out there in need of Lasik. Lol
How about your own.
Steve
Cameron can never be anything like Gronk, he’s nowhere near as physical as Gronk is. If he can be effective as David Martin was for us, but in a full time role, that would be good. Cameron is a finesse guy, he doesn’t bully defenders, and he definitely doesn’t go after the ball like Gronk does.
There is really only one Gronk
its kinda a high standard
I don’t need our TE to catch 50+ passes
I just need him to be reliable
We have good receivers
I would rather see them produce bigger numbers
There are only so many passes to go around
Cameron has the speed to get open in the seam, and that’s pretty useful. I saw him in CLE when he had his breakout year, he was catching passes wide open when the opposing defense put a LB on him, and he made a ton of big plays. He has that ability, he just needs to get the ball when he’s open, because he won’t go get it in traffic. I had him in FF, that’s the only reason I watched, I mean Browns fans don’t even watch the Browns.
I was just referring to his mismatch size on the goal line, obviously he’s not that physical. Gronk really doesn’t do his bullying on goal to go situations, like he does between the 20s.
I was looking at Still stats
he had 27 catches on 63 targets
which isn’t good
but really I think he would be doing his job with 40+ catches, 500+ yards and about 5TDs
I don’t think we need a lot more from a 3rd WR
the big stat we need from Stills is YPC
He wasn’t bad last year at just over 16 which was much higher than Landry and higher than Matthews
Matthews has a good YPC last year but most of his career he has been a little lower
I don’t know if Carroo gives us the stretch the filed factor Stills can
I would love to see Stills somewhere around 17-18 YPC
He doesn’t have to catch a lot of passes if he provides that deep threat
When you talk about stats the numbers really aren’t that important. The commentators will do a keys to the game, and say this guy needs to do …for team A to win and…then the game comes on and team A still wins, but it goes nothing like the guy said.
What guys like Stills need to do is step up when their number is called, and catch it when it hits their hands, nothing more. If we’ve got Parker, and Landry doing their thing, and Carroo and Grant are what we expect and Cameron does his thing and Duarte and Drake are involved too, we’ll have so many weapons that the individual stats may suffer, but it may not be an indication of someone like Stills not succeeding.
If we get anything close to that type of offensive output they won’t need to pay Stills big bucks to re-sign.
I think you are right
he has to make the catches that come his ways
but the big thing with Stills to me is the stretch the file aspect
So I think his YPC is very important
Mike
We weren’t even using the seam last year
We were using the perimeter of the filed on those stupid WR screen passes over and over again
We have a lot of guys now to get catches
more than anything else I think we need to cut down on drops as a team
part of that is ball placement
but most of that is on the receivers too
I’m not sure we need a high catch TE
expecially when you consider that our RBs will probably have quite a few catches in this offense
I agree we didn’t use the seam, but that’s on the OC. He doesn’t have to catch a lot of passes, if he catches 30-40 passes like the ones he did in CLE, he’ll probably have at least 5 TD’s
There is a young man in Miami
We’ve all come to call him Tanny
Marino he’s not
So get off the pot
You spend to much time on your Fanny
Like it!
There was a blog gal named Herd
1 girl and 30 guys is absurd!
The guys fight like girls
As the arguments whirl
And secretly flip each other the bird
LOL — well done Not so sure “secretly” is the case though.
Tim,
I’m the only one that gets you regarding the trade for pick #86 overall in RD 3 which was used to select Carroo.
It’s all about quality and not quantity.
A pick today is always worth more than a pick in the future (by a full round in most cases).
Therefore, trading a 3rd RD in next year’s draft for a 3rd in this year’s draft is not an equal exchange.
Trading a future 2nd RD for a current 3rd RDer would have been par value and negotiation start.
The Fins probably went a little steep by offering both their 2017 3rd/4th pick but at most I can see Minnesota doing is settling for a 3rd and 5th. The 6th RD pick is worthless by all accounts. Hitting on those picks are about as successful as hitting on UDFA talent.
And this last point is where Steve’s two guys at a bar analogy fails.
Not all beers are the same and paying $3 for piss in a bottle is different than paying $3 for a nice double IPA.
LOL, not a big deal. All I care about is if the team gets better.
Al
That concept of the picks being worth more than next year IMO makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You never what the draft class is going to be, and there is no question that some draft classes are better than others, or we wouldn’t have been stuck with Ronnie Brown at #2. Some are top heavy, some are deep, and some are deep at positions of need. We won’t know until next year how valuable those picks really are, or aren’t.
A player today will have 1 year of experience more than a player next year and therefor that experience has value over a future pick.
You can see where I’m going with this.
If you are building a team, you can’t wait for people to develop if you are ready now.
I actually was watching a few old dolphins games, one against the Steelers for AFC Championship in ’85. I tell ya man, despite the “pro bowl caliber OL” we supposedly had, Marino got hit a lot, if it weren’t for his uncanny quick release, Marino would hold the record for times sacked in a game. So it can be said a QB and their ability can make the OL look better than they are, its a symbiotic relationship, one helps the other, and one hurts the other.
It keeps being said that the OL was the cause for all of his sacks, but a good QB would avoid a bunch of those that he took last year. He was strip sacked a ton as well and i dont remember one of those that he wasn’t to blame for. To say that the OL was 100% to blame for 100% of his sacks is turning a HUGE blind eye to the problem.
I definitely saw times where Thomas got blown up and it was practically unimpeded to the QB, i saw times Where Fox whiffed and the DE came around the side with nothing much outside a little shove to slow him down or alter his path to Tanny. There were also times Tanny stood there and stood there and stood there waiting for one guy to get open when he had other options. There were times where the pocket in the front was wide fucking open for him to step up and avoid the DE around the back side. There were times he could of at very least attempted a side step of the blitzing safety/lb, because in an empty backfield, he HAS to.
Lous isn’t bashing Tanny he just isn’t giving him a pass for his shortcomings. Im in that same boat, we have fucked up problems all over the offense last year, but for fucks sake you cant just say well if everyone else improves Tanny will be perfect. You have to expect better out of everyone, INCLUDING TANNY! Even if this team is much improved in every area, Tanny’s shortcomings are going to hold us back, so you want a great team, wake up to his issues, and expect more from him too.