WELCOME, INDEED, Mr. Harris! Now go out and crush as many quarterbacks as you possibly can!! Perhaps you can convince Tom Brady to retire THIS SEASON!!
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Nation’s high yesterday was in the northern Tampa suburb of Lutz at 96 degrees, a whopping 13 degrees above normal for the date. According to local channel 8, this April will be the hottest April on record BY QUITE A MARGIN. And Tampa’s been keeping records SINCE 1859!!! – – Gov. Scott can say “there’s no such thing as climate change” all he wants, as he sits in the air conditioned governor’s mansion in Tallahassee. But taxpayers, who pay the power company’s ever-rising rates, know better. Ft. Lauderdale, about 25 miles north of Miami, recently required all home builders to build homes near the beaches an additional foot above sea level. Other cities are strongly considering similar measures. And virtually every major home insurer has pulled out of Florida, initially in reaction to Hurricane Andrew but now because of rising water levels in the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean. When the current drought ends in June, these levels will rise even more.
I’m NOT trying to skewer big oil nor the energy providers. I’m simply hoping our state governmentwill not mimic the Veteran’s Administration by simply denying there’s a problem and stalling needed actions.
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HOWEVER, if it’s extra hot for the Dolphins’ home opener against Tampa Bay, I MAY not hate the record heat for at least one day.
“Really solid pick here. I think he can play four-down or 3-4 linebacker; in Miami, it’s four-down. He has a good first step and is explosive off the edge. This young man is adept at a pass rusher.” — Mike Mayock
I have to admit, I’m guilty of falling for the physical freaks, the guys that run the 4.5 40’s, have the 39″ vertical leap, put up 30 reps. Harris is none of those. You know what though, he’s just a damn good pass rusher. He’s going to get better, and stronger. He’s still relatively new, he started playing football in his Junior year of HS, so he’s only been playing football for 6 years now. We needed a pass rusher, WE GOT ONE! Be happy Dolphins fans.
Takk gone M13 crys tonight
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Nah, it’s water under the bridge. As much as I wanted Takk (and as a DE), at least we filled the DE position in the 1st with a stud. Charles Harris is going to be GOOD for us.
I will say though… I called it right that the latest we could trade back and still get Takk was @ R1P26 with the Seahawks in a trade. Well, the Seahawks traded the pick to the Falcons and BOOM, it was Takk.
Incidentally, it’s being reported at the PBP that Grier had no intention of trading out from R1P22. He stuck to his board and got a STUD at DE.
Mike,
Completely understandable falling in love with the physical freaks. Overall history shows it’s better to take those shots in RD2 or later vs RD1. The team went with a natural explosive pass rusher who fits what they want in the locker room.
No problem! And as you can see, all of his numbers were SUBSTANTIALLY better at his Pro Day vs his Combine. You can bet he runs faster than his 4.82 40-time at the Combine.
Totally agreed! But I’ll add, I think too many slept on his Pro Day numbers (raising my hand!), taking his Combine numbers for granted. Pro Days DO count for something and that’s why they exist.
I admittedly wrote Harris off after seeing his Combine numbers. Bad, M13! LOL
OK, so where do we go in RD 2? Do we look for an OG, or do we stay defense, and pick up a LB, CB, S, or DT? My guess would be OL or LB, but I have no idea
I think this year the only guys numbers from the combine scared the hell out of me were Tabor’s. I still can’t write him off.
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I HEAR that on Tabor.
When I saw Harris at 6’3″, 253… and then he ran a 4.82 40-time at the Combine with a 33″ VJ, I immediately kicked him out of the 1st Round; there are some OTs out there who perform better. I should have taken the time to check his Pro Day. Lesson learned, and happy Grier didn’t sleep on him like I did.
You’d expect a first rounder to start right away, or at least compete to start. We have the luxury of letting him grow into that role. When a rookie can start off doing what he does best, situational PR, he’ll have the best chance at early success.
Will be Titans (Sun, Oct 8) or Yets (Sun, Oct 22), both start at one. If you have not already voted, the poll is up. Will be the night before meet-up and Chef Warren’s tailgate as usghe.
Need to get a rough number to reserve the group ticket section, but don’t worry if you are not sure cause they let you adjust down when payment is due a like 8 weeks before the game.
ALREADY IN (for either game)
Pig
PhinDog (+2 or +3)
Mike E (+1)
Son (+1…..and # will grow)
Rock
Chef Warren (+1)
Stanger (+1)
Phelonius (plus something)
Toba (+1)
OD
Brian in NY (+1?) (Jets works better)
POSSIBLE
Ken (Jets probable, Titans unlikely)
Herd
Howie
Getterdone
New IN is Brian in NY — and he might bring his son with him. Getterdone is the latest hoping to be there.
Busy time on the board next few days……please ask whoever stops in cause of the draft about the Fest. Sooner we get a # for the group section the better our seats will be for the same price.
I’m cool with the Harris pick, particularly since if we went DE wanted a replacement for Wake rather than a big body-type……and that is exactly what we got in Harris. Am hoping — unlike Wake — that he doesn’t have a strictly favored side. Would like him to be able to both spell Wake and put max pressure on the QB with him when it is a sure passing down.
he’s about the same size as Misi and he was asked to do LB skill tests at combine. He added weight early in his college career and they said he was slower. His quickness is his best attribute. You would be surprisd how many times how many plays had DL dropping into passing lane last yr. This could be our next AJ Duhe or Bob mathinson of the future only with speed to cause mismatches along the DL on passing situations . He’s going to get reps from 3rd downs and they could train him for other schemes as OLB.
Two interesting tidbits from Omars article on Harris…….and if he can move inside on third that lessens the need for another DT.
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“The Dolphins entered the week with two players targeted at pick No. 22, and Harris was one of them. Even though Miami fielded two trade offers for their first-round pick, not making the pick wasn’t even debated according to general manager Chris Grier.”
“Grier also said Harris can move inside on third down and serve as a pass rusher from the inside.”
I don’t think he will be a DT–he’s way too smll. Today is the biggest day I think they are going to address the OL-I am hoping they take E.POlic and let’s not forget Pouncey can be moved to Guard plus there’s a guy named Mangold is still waiting to be picked up by any team. I think he can be had for a 2 year deal at a reasonable deal and plus we don’t have state income tax.
Depends on what he means on the inside, i mean, inside the tackle is not uncommon to line up a DE there, espeically if you are running some kind of twist play with the LB’s.
Pouncey is not going to be moved to OG. If anything they will take Pocic as a OC backup plan, or a start the season at OC but when Pouncey comes back, thats our OC.
his career would be longer his his known hip problems–less bending crouching down…He played guard at HS,college and the pro’s even making the pro bowl as a guard. Guard is his natural position. You know he even played NT in college.
Seems that we prize good dudes who love playing just as much as 40 times these days. Guess you can go too much that way, but sure does make it easier to like them.
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Harris has “a passion for the game, a work ethic that won’t be deterred and high character” and “the height, length and moves to immediately allow him to succeed in the NFL. He’s Aldon Smith without the baggage.”
I think we still target a bigger bodied DE before the end of the draft, and like DBolt was saying, Wise Jr is a very likely candidate for it. I also think players like Tankersly and Tabor are going to be targets for 2nd round, maybe Quincy Wilson as well. We have several S prospects we have shown a ton of interest in, so thats possibly a today selection. I wouldnt be shocked if it was a double up at secondary, or one secondary, one LB kind of thing.
Asiata, Enumenor, etc are all OG’s we probably look at as well. I wouldnt mind seeing us packaging up some 5’s to roll into the 4th or even pulling a Caroo and trading a future pick to move up a little into the 4th so we can get one of those guys. Since the top OG’s slid a little, i think its highly possible a guy like Asiata who most years would go in the 3rd might actually fall to the 4th, i doubt the 5th though.
In the future the day 3 picks will all be looked at as draft capitol and no longer places we feel we gotta get contributor or primary backup player. Those will actually be coming from day 2 in the future so if we give up a future 4th or later, im going to be fine with that.
I see Carroo and Grant and doughterty along with another guy practicing at American Hertitage HS running timing routes in bunched receiver sets. Pat Surtain is HS coach of them( state champs again) and I see several of his HS players playing with the dolphins. I sat in the stands one afternoon and watched them. They were running legal picks to perfection at full speed.
Philips is coming into his prime right now. You know when opposing teams ran his way he was doubled teamed 47% and yet he had decent numbers. Suh has been working with him since he was drafted. In the beginning Suh had him change his stance completely to gain leverage.
his career would be longer his his known hip problems–less bending crouching down…He played guard at HS,college and the pro’s even making the pro bowl as a guard. Guard is his natural position. You know he even played NT in college.
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Jets im a UF fan, i know the Pouncey’s history very well. He was great at OG and OC, but he is a very elite if not the best OC for our offensive system in the NFL. OG also is really hard on your hips because you have to defend a DT driving srtaight into from pass pro, or driving a DT off the ball in run pro, and all that puts strign on your hips. As a ZBS OG, you do a lot of pivoting as well, OC is actually less of this, because against a 3-4 NT, you usually get assistance from one of the OG’s if they dont have to pick up a blitz, and in a 4-3 you are only assisting with blocking or picking up a LB. So its actually worse on him at OG than better. I also really dont think either are his “natural” position, because one is what he played prior to his senior year in college, and the other is what he has played as his entire career at in the NFL, so whats more natural, sticking to what you have done for the past 6years, or doing the thing you did for 2 years, 7 years ago.
Should say i dont think that you could call either his “natural” position, because yes he originally was one in college, but at this point thats both less time than at OC and further removed from his recent exposure.
Id be just as happy if we ended the day with Anzalone as those guys. Cunningham would be a nice addition but i think he is going to go early today, rather than later. Id take Anzalone over Riley for sure.
Today I would be happy with Dion Dawkins, Chidobe Awuzie, Kevin King, Zach Cunningham, Obi Melifonwu, and Chris Wormley. There are more, just can’t think of them at the moment
i just hope Gase was totally on board with the harris pick. I trust Gase more than grier or tbaum. Gase. Grier was here when we picked dion ff and if I remember they targeted him early as well.
Man I wanted to pull the trigger on a trade for Howard when he dropped to #15 (probably a 2nd and a future 4th). By the time he was at #18 or #19 (our 3rd?) it was a complete no brainer for me.
But think down the road the guys that we will be comparing how Harris does are Reuben Foster and Gareon Conley. Both were there and at a position we were looking for. Maybe Forrest Lamp, but since he fell out of the first it will be less so.
What i like about this guy is his spin move, he is well balanced, moves like a ballerina, look at his spin at 3 min mark. from what i have read Miami had 2 players targeted with the 22nd pick, Barnett who went to Philly and Harris.
I love the spin move…..also thinking at some point with better tackles he is gonna get smacked to hard to the ground in the middle of it. Some sacks from it too for sure.
Im not scared of Tabor, he has a ton of potential, he is a tackler in run support, he has a lot of intangibles, like a real lust to play and be the best,. He does need refinement, he can bite on double moves, but i also know that in the past he has felt like he needed to play more aggressive and he had probably more confidence in the safeties to handle it on the deep side that he has played the shallow break in the route and gotten burned.
Maye was generally not the safety on his side this past year and UF didn’t have two standout safeties this year (Neal was with the Falcons) they had 1. UF also had a secondary always in flux because of injuries, so it was not a unit that was as comfortable playing with each other as they had previously been. Tabor was not use to tempering his aggressive play because Tabor was getting Maye as his safety support when Hargreaves was the island player, Tabor looked like a beast because he did have the luxury of being as aggressive as he wanted to be.
Tabor and Howard are damn near identical and Howard had the same issues with us and in college, but like Howard, i think he will learn as he goes and cotinue to refine his play, because thats the type people they are. This arent guys who think thye are without flaw, they feel they are works in progress and they work to progress as a result.
Still Tabor spent most of the year on the radar to be a top player in this draft for a reason, there is undeniable talent there and im not at all worried about his 40 time because his play speed is very good. Wilson might be the better candidate on the books, his straight line speed is better, but outside of Hargreaves that has a unbelievable zeal for playing, Tabor is the only other CB i have seen that seems on that level. I do know we met with him a couple of times privately, so there was interest there, but we also showed a good bit of interest in Tankersly so we will just have to see what their choice is tonight.
Barnett woulda been fucking awesome, he is the most like Wake of any player we could have taken, but Harris isnt far off. He gets low coming around the OT, he fights through the block while also maintaining his path to the QB, he has a good set of pass rush moves, he has position lineup versatility, ie hand in the dirt or standing in the 9 position, etc. It was a great pick for a lot of reasons, most being, it was a guy we really hoped we would get and we got him.
Stanger i dont think there was any question, we wanted Harris, it wasnt a we were worried about the other picks, we just felt right about him. I dont think diluted pee made any difference for Foster consideration, nor Peppers, they weren’t going ot be the pick unless Harris wasnt there. I do think Fosters shoulder played into that decision, but again that would have had him below Harris before the draft started. I promise you if Gase and Ozzie passed on him, with the connections they have, then the injury isnt something to laugh off. Shoulder injuries can be very bad things for a players career, and for almost any player on the football field. This leads me to believe they got back reports from their Dr’s that made them realize he wouldn’t be a day 1 contributor. I wouldnt be surprised if by beginning of TC, they are announcing him having some sort of surgery and being placed on IR.
I think Peppers fall is just because of him being an interesting prospect but still a very big ? as to position viability. He will do like i was saying he would if we select him, play on ST’s and contribute as a returner, but his position and how soon he starts is going to be questionable and completely dependent on how fast the coaching staff can get him ready, but i dont think its going to be a day 1 thing at all. Probably not a year 1 thing without he really progresses quickly.
There is only an inch different in size between Tankersly and Tabor and Tabor is the more solidly built of the two. Also as a press corner, Tabor is much better. Quincy Wilson is probably the best of bother words, same height as Tankersly, he’s faster than Tankersly and he is bigger than Tankersly.
I dont think we had a starter available to us Piggy. I think all the players we had at that time are likely ones that will have to ease into playing time. They wont start out as day 1 starters. Ahrris is as close as any of the others to that. Thats kinda how it goes with late half of the first picks, and if we want our team to be successful either then we need to get use to the idea of burning picks to trade up or get use to picking guys who are day 1 starters. It also will be nice to know when we pick we arent needing them to be, and that will come with winning too. We have spent such a long time in the position we have been, this is a very unnatural feel for us on several levels.
Its a little academic when you really think about it
A starter (I’m thinking LB) as opposed to a rotational DE
When you think about how much nickel the average NFL team plays I don’t know that the average rotational DE doesn’t play the same or more snaps as he average LB
I mentioned it was my only criticism
But it’s a bit of a squeal to even mention
The rotational DE might be just as a productive for us as any other defensive position
And you have to pressure Brady to really do anything in the AFC
Looks like Tankersly had a better 40 time than Wilson at the combine, i think Wilson has an official 4.4something at his pro day, so maybe i was confused with that. Wilson did have a better set of cone and shuttle drills
I can play any technique – nine, five, three. I can play anything. I can be in a four-man rush package. I can be in a 3-4 and drop. I can do any and everything a coach wants me to do. It doesn’t matter. Just tell me what you want me to do, and I will do it at the end of the day.”
As for a new jersey number, Harris wasn’t even thinking about that Thursday night.
“I don’t care,” he said. “Just give me a jersey, a helmet and some pads and some cleats. I can get my own cleats, but I probably have to wear (the team’s) cleats. Just give me some cleats, and I’m ready to go. I don’t care what the number is. I’ll make the name shine.”
We enter day 2 of the Draft with two selections. Maybe we wheel and deal and get more, fewer, or stay where we’re at. Just get me any of these players by the end of the day, in no particular order. It’s my “Man Crush” list…
Desmond King
Blair Brown
Dion Dawkins
Pat Elflein
Chris Wormley
Eddie Vanderdoes
Jake Butt
Armando, I'm sure you don't like when others opine ignorantly about stuff you know to be untrue. So feel free to try it on for size here. https://t.co/20vE020h7G
Not sure what Eisen took offense at but I for sure noticed that some of you guys on the blog put out what various picks were while the guys on ESPN and NFL Net were talking about what it would be. Maybe time delay/commercials were involved……or maybe not.
Wouldn’t it be great to know the final score of a Phins game and then brag about how it will end up while watching with someone on DVR? Might even make you look real smart.
To those of you who were clamoring for a TE on day 1… you’re going to LUV Jake Butt. No, he isn’t a speed demon seam-threat. But the guy is a more than adequate in-line blocker and he can move the chains. He reminds me of a Todd Heap-like TE.
I saw many of his games over the last 2 years and he won’t disappoint ya. He’s a gamer.
I don’t see that unless he is double teamed, a tackle will just try to do his best to stay in front of him not giving up the edge or the underneath spin move, if he is double teamed they will have to account for Suh and co also.
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April 28, 2017 at 11:47 am
I love the spin move…..also thinking at some point with better tackles he is gonna get smacked to hard to the ground in the middle of it.
I never played football O-Rob, but did have to tackle. Missed when a dude was trying to be shifty, but what a feeling when you catch a smaller guy in the middle of it an off balance. Am all cool with Harris and what he brings though.
The way i see it is, when he’s pressuring the outside lane to the qb and the tackle starts to overplay that move to the outside; that’s when he resorts to the spin move inside. I really think this guy will be a great addition, you can’t draft enough pass rushers.
I think he is a real good add as well…..was just saying that that spin move might not work as well in the NFL and at some point he will get smacked in the middle of it. More important to me is that they got the gut to be Wake when Wake ain’t here any more. Taco was not that.
I envy you, O Rob! I’ll get out within the next two weeks to knock the rust off. And as always, THANK YOU for the tips you’ve given me… it’s really helped my game.
I’m sorry but Reuben Foster and T.J. Watt — bloodlines for days! — were both on the board and Chris Grier and crew proceeded to whiff as this franchise has repeatedly done in the past
If we’re as SERIOUS about the CB position as Adam Gase has made it sound, I wonder if we’d be willing to trade up for Kevin King. He checks all the boxes for what we like in a boundary CB: height, length, speed, and leap.
Kevin King will likely be going early this evening. If we REALLY want him, we’d probably have to trade up. He would serve as Byron Maxwell’s replacement in ’18 when Maxwell is a $10M cap hit with ZERO dead cap.
No need to trade up with so many top CB’s still left on the board. If a run begins, yeah they may have to re-think it but i dont see they would need to. King isnt better than a lot of those other guys.
Mando, called out the “experts” who were announcing at the draft, Eisen being one of them, and indicated that its easy for them to be right about the picks since they know before the announcement what the pick was. Mando has coming to him whatever they pop back with, and a couple of them already have popped back. Mando is kinda out of line on this one, though those other guys are so much “bigger” than him, you would think they wouldn’t get their nipples irritated by him making a stupid twitter post.
Why is Mando out of line if they actually do know the pick while they are discussing what it might be? And for the record…I do not know that to be true. For sure seems he got their attention though.
I dont think he knows that to be true either Stanger, that’s why i think he should have kept that to himself. I also dont think calling out a person of your profession for things like that that easily could be said about him is the way a professional acts, its catty.
D — what I do know is that many picks were right on this board while what it would be were being discussed on TV. And that was not a guess…..put out as fact (and not one was wrong). And I have brought up many things that other people did in my profession at least. It is a self-correcting and self-policing mechanism.
And for the record again — I don’t know what Mando knows or did know about this.
I dunno Stanger, but ill leave it alone. Mando seems out of line to me reading the rest of his twitter replys, etc. I like him better than most the reporters for the Phins, but he is not above any of the same things they all do, he does however present himself as better and calls out the others for things he does from time to time. Dont thorws stones in glass houses ya know.
D — my best advice when it comes to such is to at least know what you don’t know. Once you accept that — in this case at least — it is difficult to come to hard conclusions. I at least couldn’t in this one.
The only TE id “target” at this point is Jermery Sprinkle and even he would be a person i wouldn’t take over defensive players i had on a similar big board level. Id be more likely to overdraft him though, where as Butt it would have to be a value pick for me to choose him over other players. There are still plenty of guys who are good TE’s, not as dynamic as the ones off the board already but solid players, good hybrid abilities, and would bring something more to the group we already have, so i would try really hard to avoid forcing the issue with selecting any one guy.
The only 2 media guys that annoyed me w/ the picks were Berman who did have them fed to him & tried to play it like he was guessing & then we have that sacknof shit JLC who was listing picks 2 teams head of who was on the clock.
It sucks having to wait but i think for the sake of everything they should have obeyed the rules and stuck to announcing them as they broadcast them. Playing up that they dont know, i could give a shit, they are all actors anyways. What Mando also did was start posting picks on twitter ahead of the broadcast too, so pretty much went rogue so he deserves some shit for that too. Mando is only a smidgen of sleeziness better than Omar, and the only big difference between the two is Mando will stoop to that level if it serves him, and Omar bought an apartment there and spends every waking moment there.
PSA: in the event we draft Desmond King this evening and the internet breaks due to someone overloading the world with BALL HAWK(!!!) posts… it wasn’t me. Just sayin’…
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I’ve heard a LOT about Cooper Kupp, but I didn’t really research early round WRs… didn’t feel it necessary to do so with our current corps, KNOWING we’re going to find a way to re-sign Jarvis Landry.
Kupp is VERY good from what I’ve heard, the little I’ve seen, and understand.
Dbolt, YOU are the resident WR enthusiast, IMO. What say YOU about Kupp?
I saw him at Senior Bowl and met him there as well. He’s one of those gritty receivers that works hard at perfecting technique and running routes and little nuance things that a really athletically gifted guy doesn’t always work on.
He would be the Hogan or Edelman, etc kind of WR and not just because they are all white, but just because they do the best with what they got, and he has turn that into being a very productive player at a smaller school level. He may not start out as a beast or make his way into our starting rotation right off but to me he seems like he would work hard so he wouldn’t be denied it for long.
There was another guy there that we met with as well, Trent Taylor of LaTech who is very similar, and id bet a bunch that one of these guys will be a Patriot lol.
Thanks for BOTH of your inputs. For what it’s worth, I think we have bigger fish to fry than to address the WR position early again this year. But yes, Kupp is NICE.
M13 thats why i think Taylor might be more likely than Kupp. Kupp is most likely going to be drafted today, where as Taylor is probably going to be a late day 3, where we could afford him. R7P5 might be a perfect spot for him.
The question is do we have a deal in place to move Parker or Carroo???
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I think Carroo is too un-established to get a fair return on him, so I wouldn’t move him now.
I think DeVante is about to FLOURISH in his 3rd year (on schedule) if he’s being serious and his cramps are behind him.
I wouldn’t move either one of them right now, JMO, as always. Now as the trade deadline approaches and things aren’t working out… that’s another matter to be addressed then.
Did Harris line up on the left side at all or was he strictly right/weak side? Most of his highlights that I’ve seen was right side and stunting inside from the right side.
The way I saw it, he was mostly lined-up against the LT. He did move around, though, from inside the Tackle to outside the Tackle. He’s a perfect fit for our ‘Wide-9’ Defense.
I feel ya, man. I’m just sayin’… nobody… NOBODY — not even James Harrison’s $$$ being spent on legally enhancing drugs at soon-to-be age 39 — can replace the blue collar work ethic that is MR. CAM WAKE.
We agree that WAKE is the VERY best mentor that a young Harris could EVER receive in order to make his already hunger GROW! HELL YEAH!!!
Piggy, don’t be surprised if we see Wake, Suh, Phillips, Branch and Harris on the field at the same time when we go to a wide 9 5-2 formation. It’s basically a hybrid 3-4 defense.
“Remember this name: Charles Harris. He’ll be the next great Missouri defensive lineman and a future first-round pick.” And that was right after he walked into practice….
Missouri (Misery) certainly has had the recent propensity to create incredible pass-rushers. The one everybody forgets? Jacquies Smith (was there with Aldon Smith, not related).
” MY FA options: Tony McDaniel, DT or Paul Soliai, NG; Jacquies Smith, DE (check on his knee injury)”
McDaniel and Big Paul both make sense if we don’t draft DT. But which one makes sense depends on what they have in mind for Phillips. And that is one I have no clue on.
He has all the physical you could want and for sure he will be in the rotation. Just not sure passing rushing force, run stopper or maybe all-around stud for both (he has that potential). I just don’t know, including whether he is a plan for the future guy. And that is a key as to whether they go DT in the draft.
Garret Bolles reminded me of Lennie from “Of Mice and Men” in his handling of his baby, i was legit scared he was going to drop the kid at some points while he was on the stage. If he started stroking that kids hair i was going to have to turn the TV off out of pure fear.
Stanger, Phillips is definitely part of the plan. We need a 3rd DT as we only have Lawrence Okoye and Nick Williams as depth as of now. Both could be considered long shots to make the team. So I’m sure we’ll add some more competition to the group.
I completely agree that Phillips is part of the plan (locked in next two years as one of our 3 DTs for sure). Was just wondering in what way. And again….have no clue. More than anything just pointing out that I didn’t.
Phillips does have a knack for batting down passes even if he’s not a high sack guy. He needs to improve his conditioning to go to another level. He looks dominant at times and then gets taken out of the play at other times. He’s admitted that he needs to get better and that’s why he trained with Suh in the offseason.
Exactly. Condition is good and he can become a force…..if not he becomes a run stuffer. He has shown he can bulldoze to the QB at times too. What potential. Reminds me of Big Paul before he got in shape.
signing him would make the LB group one of the strong units of team. They attacked the weakness with Timmons FA agency with him still having a couple good years left in him. You could say he was a top tier FA. They drafted a project LB in Harris who isn’t going to gain weight at 255 lbs. When in college he gained weight but they say he lost his speed. He won’t be able to play DE with OT weighing 50-60 lbs heavier than him. He will tossed around like rag doll . Misi is almost exact size as him.
Getting Rey M. would help the LB corps greatly and we can probably get him on the cheap since he is at the end of his career. Cheap 2 year contract backloaded so if he doesn’t have it anymore we can cut him without a huge cap hit.
The 2nd rd is always fun, that’s where you can find great value. I agree with Mike that it will probably be OG, LB, CB, S or DT. BPA at those positions.
DT’s arent normally high sack number players, they are the reasons DE’s get sacks. They also arent generally high tackle number players, they help the LB’s get big tackle numbers. They do help collapse the pocket by driving their players back into the QB’s face and clog the ability to step up in the pocket. This keeps the QB in the back of the pocket where the DE’s, like two trailer park girls, go ’round the outside to make the sack. For the running plays they force RB’s to take different gaps than the blocking was set up for and eat up blockers usually assigned to release and get the LB. That usually forces the RB to gaps where the LB’s have assignments to close down, and leaves them no blockers to block the LB from doing it.
A exceptional DT can drive them back to complete the assignment, and then shed them to make a play on the RB, or drive the blockers back and shed them to sack the QB who tries to escape through a gap in the front. Its players like Suh that basically make you think a DT is meant to be something else, because they are so dominant they not only help the other players but they get theirs too. These are rare players though, and thats why the Suh criticism has seemed very unwarranted to me, because he is destroying people and has been since he has gotten here, and only thing that slowed him down year one was a defensive system that didnt let him be him and had such poor players behind him that what he was doing didnt get capitalized on.
Phillips when on, does a really good job pushing his guy back, he just needs to learn to read where the pocket has escape paths, shed his blocker to that side and then close on the QB and he will start getting more sacks. Again, it really doesn’t matter too much if he doesn’t have big sack numbers as long as he is doing his job well and while he is out there he pretty much does, he just doesn’t have the conditioning to stay out there for enough snaps.
I saw an interview with Andre Branch after he re-signed where he said you’re going to see a very different guy in Phillips this year knowing he’s training with Suh.
he got doubled teamed last year a lot when the play was rushed towards his side. I read somewhere he was doubled teamed 47 per of the time when the play was toward his side.
It’s not like the 1st pick in the 4th, because that pick is the next day, and teams will be wanting to trade into that pick. I’m just looking to gain back a pick or 2 that Mikey Tradey Pants squandered. 😉
There are so many players that got pushed down that 2nd and 3rd should be really solid players. Only way id want to trade back in either is if there was a really bad run of our guys and we just dont like anything at our pick. I think that’s going to be close to impossible. Id also probably consider it if it was just a really fat offer i couldn’t refuse. I could see us moving up from 5th to 4th tomorrow, but i dont think we see a trade tonight unless its just too good to pass up.
Tim Knight says:
April 28, 2017 at 3:48 pm
Harris is an edge rusher. Wake is only 10 lbs. heavier than him, the same with Branch. He will add weight in the next few years the right way.
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I’d like to agree with you but I wouldn’t take a guy in 1st round who has to gain weight to be a starter when he already has proven in college he can’t gain the weight without losing some speed. 255 is not a typical DE weight. I think he is going to be a speed rusher on 3rd down packages and a OLB project.
What do u think of them pursuing Rey M. as MLB and timmons and number 47 playing the other OLB. Misi could play MLB and OLB in 3-4 package also. Everyone would be interchangable except Rey.
Cam Wake was 235 when he went undrafted in 2005. Harris is a pass rusher, not a stout run defending DE. But in our scheme he’ll be in the rotation like you said as an edge rusher in sub packages. Grier already said he’ll be in the 4 man rotation with Wake, Branch and Hayes (who is a stout run defender).
I keep hearing them say he isnt a stout run defender but he wasnt bad at it, im not really sure where that comes from except people just see his weight and start making those statements. The tape doesnt show a bad run defender.
I agree, it’s his projection at the next level being a tweener. Playing the run is not about weight, it’s about skill. There are plenty of big guys who can’t play the run because they’re just not that good. Harris beats people with quickness and power. Lawrence Taylor used to throw 300 lb. tackles to the ground at 6-3 245.
Come on D- the NFL OT average over 300lbs and they have the quickness he rarely saw in college. Ground and pound teams would probably attack him by running right towards him. Buffalo and NY Jets seem to follow this formula but then again we don’t know about Buffalo yet.
damn that was 25-30 years ago and you are still thinking about Cocaine. The new thing now a nows is opiates. We get news down here almost daily that coke was intercepted on the high seas. Usually about a 1/2 ton.
Let’s not act like there aren’t a lot of 6-3 255-265 edge rushers in the NFL. They’ve been around forever. There is more to playing this game than weight. Remember John Abraham getting on Jake Long so quick he knocked him down on his way to a sack? He was 6-4 260, Long was 6-7 315.
you are correct. Straight up I’d take the OL that outweighs the undersized guy by 50 LBs for running the ball but passing plays I like the quicker guy.
They drafted a project LB in Harris who isn’t going to gain weight at 255 lbs. When in college he gained weight but they say he lost his speed. He won’t be able to play DE with OT weighing 50-60 lbs heavier than him. He will tossed around like rag doll . Misi is almost exact size as him.
Jetsuck, They DID NOT draft a project LB in Harris. They drafted a DE / Pass rusher.
I’ve heard a couple of people say he is too small at 6’3″ 255 to play DE.
Cam Wake: 6’3″ 264lbs Do you think 9lbs really make that much of a difference?
Somehow to me Harris looks THICKER than Wake (now I haven’t seen them side by side yet) but he is definitely lighter so maybe it’s just the build / body make up.
Wake is a rare exceptional athlete and comparing Harris to him is unfair to the kid. It’s my opinion that he is not big enough to play DE every down. I heard last night several teams had him run LB skill drills at the combine. Drafting a player in the 1st round usually is a player that has all the physical metrics. I don’t see him as a every down player unless he can play LB and DE on obvious passing downs. He could be special in creating confusion for DC’s for opposing teams.
Derek Barnett is 6-3 259 and went #14 to the Eagles. Takkarist McKinley 6-2 250 #26 to the Falcons. Charles Harris 6-3 255 #22 to Miami. The same type of players.
It’s a fair comparison, it’s like saying someone looks like someone else. There’s features that resemble the other person. In Harris’ case he has the bend and quickness to get around the corner, so he has the skills to be a Wake type of speed rusher. That’s it, the comparison stops there, no one is saying everything they do is similar, they’re just saying they have similar pass rush skills, not the production, or anything else.
What like when the Lions were still on the board at #21 and Eisen was already saying the Giants were on the clock at #23? The Lions and Dolphins picks weren’t even in yet.
M13,
You and your Big Paul love. I’ve missed it! Lol
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Problem is; there’s absolutely no reason to sign a purely 3/4 NT. He’d basically be a one down player….a 0 tech guy. He isn’t really a rotational guy. He’d be a first down or short yardage guy when you think they’ll run…and lots of teams throw on third and short anymore anyway. That’s a valuable roster spot for that limited snaps. Plus, he’s old and not particularly great. McDaniels is a much better fit.
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A Soliai rant! God, I’ve missed those. Lol
MikeE/Tim,
There were times when JUST before the commissioner got up to the podium to make the announcement, one of the announcers would spit out some guy’s name who they thought the pick was gonna be, and it seemed like it just came out of nowhere. Lo and behold they were right.
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I don’t think it’s a big deal either way, but I would’t be surprised if the NFL gave that info to their announcers/staff before the pick got to the podium. It makes their people look smart and good at what they do. Hell, it could just be a time management/production sort of thing. I just know I thought the same thing as I was watching last night.
who drafted Pauly was it during the 1-15 yr team? I forgot his name but they had some picks that players played 8-10 years> I remember how upset I was with the Ginn pick and he lasted a long time in NFL. Brady the qb never made it. They drafted several players that had good long careers. Punter comes to mind.
Now how can you say that? We had pro bowl talent on that team. You yourself thought highly of Beck because he broke all S.Youngs records at BYU. Samson. Satele played in NFL 10-12 yrs, Ginn is still playing as starter and several others played 4-5 yrs.
Tim,
He isn’t the guy I’d have picked, but I’m okay with it. I do have some questions about just how good he can be, but I would expect at the least a solid, long term starter. He may not ever be a 15 sack guy, but he might be a 10 sack a year guy. He does already have some advanced skills, so who knows? Setting the edge? He’ll have to show me he can do that at the next level? You can never have too many young edge rushers. I’ll give up a little against the run if he’s really good at getting to the QB. You usually don’t get both anyway.
JS, my opinion on John Beck have nothing to do with anything. He wasn’t good enough. Satele was off our team by 2009, Ginn was an explosive return man and sub par receiver. Soliai developed into a good player for a few years. Fields was a great punter. Not exactly building blocks for the future though.
i consider a player good that has a career more than 5 yrs in NFL. Satele came back to our team a second time for a year also. Anytime we can get 4-5 players from a draft to start within the league is a good sign of a quality GM who’s doing the drafting.
Talk about a DVR night. 2nd day of the draft, Pirates are on the local tube against the Marlins (lost the option for the MLB package) and the Celts are doing game six against the Bulls. Not a huge NBA fan even if Celts are my team…….but jeez is Iseah Thomas and the team in general fun to watch.
Finsmob Unleashed 
First and oink
WELCOME, INDEED, Mr. Harris! Now go out and crush as many quarterbacks as you possibly can!! Perhaps you can convince Tom Brady to retire THIS SEASON!!
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Nation’s high yesterday was in the northern Tampa suburb of Lutz at 96 degrees, a whopping 13 degrees above normal for the date. According to local channel 8, this April will be the hottest April on record BY QUITE A MARGIN. And Tampa’s been keeping records SINCE 1859!!! – – Gov. Scott can say “there’s no such thing as climate change” all he wants, as he sits in the air conditioned governor’s mansion in Tallahassee. But taxpayers, who pay the power company’s ever-rising rates, know better. Ft. Lauderdale, about 25 miles north of Miami, recently required all home builders to build homes near the beaches an additional foot above sea level. Other cities are strongly considering similar measures. And virtually every major home insurer has pulled out of Florida, initially in reaction to Hurricane Andrew but now because of rising water levels in the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean. When the current drought ends in June, these levels will rise even more.
I’m NOT trying to skewer big oil nor the energy providers. I’m simply hoping our state governmentwill not mimic the Veteran’s Administration by simply denying there’s a problem and stalling needed actions.
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HOWEVER, if it’s extra hot for the Dolphins’ home opener against Tampa Bay, I MAY not hate the record heat for at least one day.
Draft Analysis:
“Really solid pick here. I think he can play four-down or 3-4 linebacker; in Miami, it’s four-down. He has a good first step and is explosive off the edge. This young man is adept at a pass rusher.” — Mike Mayock
I have to admit, I’m guilty of falling for the physical freaks, the guys that run the 4.5 40’s, have the 39″ vertical leap, put up 30 reps. Harris is none of those. You know what though, he’s just a damn good pass rusher. He’s going to get better, and stronger. He’s still relatively new, he started playing football in his Junior year of HS, so he’s only been playing football for 6 years now. We needed a pass rusher, WE GOT ONE! Be happy Dolphins fans.
Harris does have a 37.5″ VJ and that explosion can be seen on tape.
Like you, I’m prone to fall for the physical freaks.
Harris has a 32″ vertical. It doesn’t matter, he’s a good player, and that’s all that matters. So he won’t be able to hurdle a 6’6″ OT. 😉
D says:
April 27, 2017 at 11:09 pm
Takk gone M13 crys tonight
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Nah, it’s water under the bridge. As much as I wanted Takk (and as a DE), at least we filled the DE position in the 1st with a stud. Charles Harris is going to be GOOD for us.
I will say though… I called it right that the latest we could trade back and still get Takk was @ R1P26 with the Seahawks in a trade. Well, the Seahawks traded the pick to the Falcons and BOOM, it was Takk.
Incidentally, it’s being reported at the PBP that Grier had no intention of trading out from R1P22. He stuck to his board and got a STUD at DE.
WELCOME TO MIAMI, CHARLES HARRIS!!!
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Warned you this was an historically poor draft for OL. How poor? None were selected in top 15 for first time in common draft era.
Mike,
Completely understandable falling in love with the physical freaks. Overall history shows it’s better to take those shots in RD2 or later vs RD1. The team went with a natural explosive pass rusher who fits what they want in the locker room.
No question. He wasn’t a pick that was really exciting, but he can be like a solid pass rusher for us for long time.
Mike E,
Check out Harris’ VJ at his Pro Day, Bro…
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/pyrnotes.php?pyid=127236&draftyear=2017
He must not have been at 100% during the Combine.
Wow, nice! Thanks M! OK, so he CAN hurdle the 6’6″ OT.
No problem! And as you can see, all of his numbers were SUBSTANTIALLY better at his Pro Day vs his Combine. You can bet he runs faster than his 4.82 40-time at the Combine.
M
Yeah, he probably does. Glad our boys just stuck to the film and drafted the player and not the combine performer.
Totally agreed! But I’ll add, I think too many slept on his Pro Day numbers (raising my hand!), taking his Combine numbers for granted. Pro Days DO count for something and that’s why they exist.
I admittedly wrote Harris off after seeing his Combine numbers. Bad, M13! LOL
I think this year the only guys numbers from the combine scared the hell out of me were Tabor’s. I still can’t write him off.
Look at it this way also, he performed much better as a pass rusher vs SEC talent than the number 1 overall pick did.
Also when I’ve heard him speak he carries himself w/ the same confidence that Landry does.
GRAND way to look at things. We definitely landed a stud in Harris.
OK, so where do we go in RD 2? Do we look for an OG, or do we stay defense, and pick up a LB, CB, S, or DT? My guess would be OL or LB, but I have no idea
D-Bolt
Tabor actually got worse at his pro day, think he ran a 4.77 after running a 4.68 at the combine
dbolt48 says:
April 28, 2017 at 9:15 am
I think this year the only guys numbers from the combine scared the hell out of me were Tabor’s. I still can’t write him off.
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I HEAR that on Tabor.
When I saw Harris at 6’3″, 253… and then he ran a 4.82 40-time at the Combine with a 33″ VJ, I immediately kicked him out of the 1st Round; there are some OTs out there who perform better. I should have taken the time to check his Pro Day. Lesson learned, and happy Grier didn’t sleep on him like I did.
That, and tape ALWAYS trumps raw numbers.
You’d expect a first rounder to start right away, or at least compete to start. We have the luxury of letting him grow into that role. When a rookie can start off doing what he does best, situational PR, he’ll have the best chance at early success.
Maybe we won’t give up as many 3rd and long first downs this year. Or maybe we still need a slot CB.
FEST
Will be Titans (Sun, Oct 8) or Yets (Sun, Oct 22), both start at one. If you have not already voted, the poll is up. Will be the night before meet-up and Chef Warren’s tailgate as usghe.
Need to get a rough number to reserve the group ticket section, but don’t worry if you are not sure cause they let you adjust down when payment is due a like 8 weeks before the game.
ALREADY IN (for either game)
Pig
PhinDog (+2 or +3)
Mike E (+1)
Son (+1…..and # will grow)
Rock
Chef Warren (+1)
Stanger (+1)
Phelonius (plus something)
Toba (+1)
OD
Brian in NY (+1?) (Jets works better)
POSSIBLE
Ken (Jets probable, Titans unlikely)
Herd
Howie
Getterdone
New IN is Brian in NY — and he might bring his son with him. Getterdone is the latest hoping to be there.
Busy time on the board next few days……please ask whoever stops in cause of the draft about the Fest. Sooner we get a # for the group section the better our seats will be for the same price.
I’m cool with the Harris pick, particularly since if we went DE wanted a replacement for Wake rather than a big body-type……and that is exactly what we got in Harris. Am hoping — unlike Wake — that he doesn’t have a strictly favored side. Would like him to be able to both spell Wake and put max pressure on the QB with him when it is a sure passing down.
how many times did our DL drop into coverage last yr?
Answer is not many, but you miight see Harris do that…..he was projected as an OLB for a 3-4 team. ANd great to see you.
he’s about the same size as Misi and he was asked to do LB skill tests at combine. He added weight early in his college career and they said he was slower. His quickness is his best attribute. You would be surprisd how many times how many plays had DL dropping into passing lane last yr. This could be our next AJ Duhe or Bob mathinson of the future only with speed to cause mismatches along the DL on passing situations . He’s going to get reps from 3rd downs and they could train him for other schemes as OLB.
Two interesting tidbits from Omars article on Harris…….and if he can move inside on third that lessens the need for another DT.
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“The Dolphins entered the week with two players targeted at pick No. 22, and Harris was one of them. Even though Miami fielded two trade offers for their first-round pick, not making the pick wasn’t even debated according to general manager Chris Grier.”
“Grier also said Harris can move inside on third down and serve as a pass rusher from the inside.”
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-draft-notes-20170427-story.html
I don’t think he will be a DT–he’s way too smll. Today is the biggest day I think they are going to address the OL-I am hoping they take E.POlic and let’s not forget Pouncey can be moved to Guard plus there’s a guy named Mangold is still waiting to be picked up by any team. I think he can be had for a 2 year deal at a reasonable deal and plus we don’t have state income tax.
Wasn’t thinking he would be a DT, but if he can play one on long passing years like he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express……
And I think Mangold would be a great sign for us if we don’t pick up a guy like Polic today.
Depends on what he means on the inside, i mean, inside the tackle is not uncommon to line up a DE there, espeically if you are running some kind of twist play with the LB’s.
Hey jetssuck! Have no idea, but I do remember Jordan Phillips snaring an INT when he dropped back into coverage, so it definitely happens occasionally
Pouncey is not going to be moved to OG. If anything they will take Pocic as a OC backup plan, or a start the season at OC but when Pouncey comes back, thats our OC.
his career would be longer his his known hip problems–less bending crouching down…He played guard at HS,college and the pro’s even making the pro bowl as a guard. Guard is his natural position. You know he even played NT in college.
We dropped the DE’s into coverage a few times, Suh as well as Phillips on a very few occasions.
Good article – Check it out
https://www.seccountry.com/missouri/charles-harris-2017-nfl-draft-missouri-football
Seems that we prize good dudes who love playing just as much as 40 times these days. Guess you can go too much that way, but sure does make it easier to like them.
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Harris has “a passion for the game, a work ethic that won’t be deterred and high character” and “the height, length and moves to immediately allow him to succeed in the NFL. He’s Aldon Smith without the baggage.”
I think we still target a bigger bodied DE before the end of the draft, and like DBolt was saying, Wise Jr is a very likely candidate for it. I also think players like Tankersly and Tabor are going to be targets for 2nd round, maybe Quincy Wilson as well. We have several S prospects we have shown a ton of interest in, so thats possibly a today selection. I wouldnt be shocked if it was a double up at secondary, or one secondary, one LB kind of thing.
Asiata, Enumenor, etc are all OG’s we probably look at as well. I wouldnt mind seeing us packaging up some 5’s to roll into the 4th or even pulling a Caroo and trading a future pick to move up a little into the 4th so we can get one of those guys. Since the top OG’s slid a little, i think its highly possible a guy like Asiata who most years would go in the 3rd might actually fall to the 4th, i doubt the 5th though.
In the future the day 3 picks will all be looked at as draft capitol and no longer places we feel we gotta get contributor or primary backup player. Those will actually be coming from day 2 in the future so if we give up a future 4th or later, im going to be fine with that.
I see Carroo and Grant and doughterty along with another guy practicing at American Hertitage HS running timing routes in bunched receiver sets. Pat Surtain is HS coach of them( state champs again) and I see several of his HS players playing with the dolphins. I sat in the stands one afternoon and watched them. They were running legal picks to perfection at full speed.
Philips is coming into his prime right now. You know when opposing teams ran his way he was doubled teamed 47% and yet he had decent numbers. Suh has been working with him since he was drafted. In the beginning Suh had him change his stance completely to gain leverage.
jetsssuck says:
April 28, 2017 at 10:25 am
his career would be longer his his known hip problems–less bending crouching down…He played guard at HS,college and the pro’s even making the pro bowl as a guard. Guard is his natural position. You know he even played NT in college.
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Jets im a UF fan, i know the Pouncey’s history very well. He was great at OG and OC, but he is a very elite if not the best OC for our offensive system in the NFL. OG also is really hard on your hips because you have to defend a DT driving srtaight into from pass pro, or driving a DT off the ball in run pro, and all that puts strign on your hips. As a ZBS OG, you do a lot of pivoting as well, OC is actually less of this, because against a 3-4 NT, you usually get assistance from one of the OG’s if they dont have to pick up a blitz, and in a 4-3 you are only assisting with blocking or picking up a LB. So its actually worse on him at OG than better. I also really dont think either are his “natural” position, because one is what he played prior to his senior year in college, and the other is what he has played as his entire career at in the NFL, so whats more natural, sticking to what you have done for the past 6years, or doing the thing you did for 2 years, 7 years ago.
Should say i dont think that you could call either his “natural” position, because yes he originally was one in college, but at this point thats both less time than at OC and further removed from his recent exposure.
He made pro bowl playing guard for us one year. He himself has said Guard is his natural position.
Cunningham or Duke Riley today please!
Id be just as happy if we ended the day with Anzalone as those guys. Cunningham would be a nice addition but i think he is going to go early today, rather than later. Id take Anzalone over Riley for sure.
I don’t expect Cunningham to make it past 45
But he is definately right there where he can drop into the 50s
Riley has a really good shot to be available when we pick IMO
I also wouldn’t mind Anthony walker but not where we are picking in the 2nd – maybe after trade down or with our 3rd
I think we are going to see some OL, QBs, RBs (cook), TEs, DBs and pass rushers go early in the 2nd – so LBs may move down a bit
isn’t cunningham from down here where he attended Pace HS.
Today I would be happy with Dion Dawkins, Chidobe Awuzie, Kevin King, Zach Cunningham, Obi Melifonwu, and Chris Wormley. There are more, just can’t think of them at the moment
lamp?
Yeah, Lamp – Thanks!
anyways got to go.Nice talking with you guys. FINS UP LOL
Later jetssuck
i just hope Gase was totally on board with the harris pick. I trust Gase more than grier or tbaum. Gase. Grier was here when we picked dion ff and if I remember they targeted him early as well.
I can’t imagine he wasn’t. They’ve explained numerous times they all pretty much have to agree on the player.
Man I wanted to pull the trigger on a trade for Howard when he dropped to #15 (probably a 2nd and a future 4th). By the time he was at #18 or #19 (our 3rd?) it was a complete no brainer for me.
But think down the road the guys that we will be comparing how Harris does are Reuben Foster and Gareon Conley. Both were there and at a position we were looking for. Maybe Forrest Lamp, but since he fell out of the first it will be less so.
I like the Davis pick.. And there is still quite a lot talent on the board for us today.
Harris, Davis was one pick before us
Shit.. I’ve been calling him Charles Davis all morning… DOH !!
I woke up this morning going “what was that dude’s name again”…..so you ain’t the only one.
What i like about this guy is his spin move, he is well balanced, moves like a ballerina, look at his spin at 3 min mark. from what i have read Miami had 2 players targeted with the 22nd pick, Barnett who went to Philly and Harris.
Getting one of the two guys you had as top targets for the position means things worked out well for you on day 1.
spin move is the :42 mark
I love the spin move…..also thinking at some point with better tackles he is gonna get smacked to hard to the ground in the middle of it. Some sacks from it too for sure.
He’s got a good mix of moves
He’s a solid technician
Generally a solid pick
I don’t expect him to start though
And that is the only criticism I have of the pick
Could have picked a starter on D instead of a rotational guy
But we need rotational guys too
Especially pass rushers
You answered your own question at the end. LOL
Im not scared of Tabor, he has a ton of potential, he is a tackler in run support, he has a lot of intangibles, like a real lust to play and be the best,. He does need refinement, he can bite on double moves, but i also know that in the past he has felt like he needed to play more aggressive and he had probably more confidence in the safeties to handle it on the deep side that he has played the shallow break in the route and gotten burned.
Maye was generally not the safety on his side this past year and UF didn’t have two standout safeties this year (Neal was with the Falcons) they had 1. UF also had a secondary always in flux because of injuries, so it was not a unit that was as comfortable playing with each other as they had previously been. Tabor was not use to tempering his aggressive play because Tabor was getting Maye as his safety support when Hargreaves was the island player, Tabor looked like a beast because he did have the luxury of being as aggressive as he wanted to be.
Tabor and Howard are damn near identical and Howard had the same issues with us and in college, but like Howard, i think he will learn as he goes and cotinue to refine his play, because thats the type people they are. This arent guys who think thye are without flaw, they feel they are works in progress and they work to progress as a result.
Still Tabor spent most of the year on the radar to be a top player in this draft for a reason, there is undeniable talent there and im not at all worried about his 40 time because his play speed is very good. Wilson might be the better candidate on the books, his straight line speed is better, but outside of Hargreaves that has a unbelievable zeal for playing, Tabor is the only other CB i have seen that seems on that level. I do know we met with him a couple of times privately, so there was interest there, but we also showed a good bit of interest in Tankersly so we will just have to see what their choice is tonight.
Barnett woulda been fucking awesome, he is the most like Wake of any player we could have taken, but Harris isnt far off. He gets low coming around the OT, he fights through the block while also maintaining his path to the QB, he has a good set of pass rush moves, he has position lineup versatility, ie hand in the dirt or standing in the 9 position, etc. It was a great pick for a lot of reasons, most being, it was a guy we really hoped we would get and we got him.
I really wanted Barnett to drop
Stanger i dont think there was any question, we wanted Harris, it wasnt a we were worried about the other picks, we just felt right about him. I dont think diluted pee made any difference for Foster consideration, nor Peppers, they weren’t going ot be the pick unless Harris wasnt there. I do think Fosters shoulder played into that decision, but again that would have had him below Harris before the draft started. I promise you if Gase and Ozzie passed on him, with the connections they have, then the injury isnt something to laugh off. Shoulder injuries can be very bad things for a players career, and for almost any player on the football field. This leads me to believe they got back reports from their Dr’s that made them realize he wouldn’t be a day 1 contributor. I wouldnt be surprised if by beginning of TC, they are announcing him having some sort of surgery and being placed on IR.
I think Peppers fall is just because of him being an interesting prospect but still a very big ? as to position viability. He will do like i was saying he would if we select him, play on ST’s and contribute as a returner, but his position and how soon he starts is going to be questionable and completely dependent on how fast the coaching staff can get him ready, but i dont think its going to be a day 1 thing at all. Probably not a year 1 thing without he really progresses quickly.
I really think, based on size, Tankserly would be the CB we would take
There is only an inch different in size between Tankersly and Tabor and Tabor is the more solidly built of the two. Also as a press corner, Tabor is much better. Quincy Wilson is probably the best of bother words, same height as Tankersly, he’s faster than Tankersly and he is bigger than Tankersly.
Jetssuck
Cunningham went to high school in Alabama
So I think you have him confused with some one else
See my post above. thats what i got gtom just watching him fall, especially past us and the ravens.
lol where the fuck did that gtom come from lol
I dont think we had a starter available to us Piggy. I think all the players we had at that time are likely ones that will have to ease into playing time. They wont start out as day 1 starters. Ahrris is as close as any of the others to that. Thats kinda how it goes with late half of the first picks, and if we want our team to be successful either then we need to get use to the idea of burning picks to trade up or get use to picking guys who are day 1 starters. It also will be nice to know when we pick we arent needing them to be, and that will come with winning too. We have spent such a long time in the position we have been, this is a very unnatural feel for us on several levels.
Its a little academic when you really think about it
A starter (I’m thinking LB) as opposed to a rotational DE
When you think about how much nickel the average NFL team plays I don’t know that the average rotational DE doesn’t play the same or more snaps as he average LB
I mentioned it was my only criticism
But it’s a bit of a squeal to even mention
The rotational DE might be just as a productive for us as any other defensive position
And you have to pressure Brady to really do anything in the AFC
Looks like Tankersly had a better 40 time than Wilson at the combine, i think Wilson has an official 4.4something at his pro day, so maybe i was confused with that. Wilson did have a better set of cone and shuttle drills
Either way there are a BUNCH of solid CB’s left Awuize, Tankersly, Wilson, Tabor, Witherspoon, you could do a stash of Sidney Jones
I can play any technique – nine, five, three. I can play anything. I can be in a four-man rush package. I can be in a 3-4 and drop. I can do any and everything a coach wants me to do. It doesn’t matter. Just tell me what you want me to do, and I will do it at the end of the day.”
As for a new jersey number, Harris wasn’t even thinking about that Thursday night.
“I don’t care,” he said. “Just give me a jersey, a helmet and some pads and some cleats. I can get my own cleats, but I probably have to wear (the team’s) cleats. Just give me some cleats, and I’m ready to go. I don’t care what the number is. I’ll make the name shine.”
I like his confidence
I’m assigning him #98
We enter day 2 of the Draft with two selections. Maybe we wheel and deal and get more, fewer, or stay where we’re at. Just get me any of these players by the end of the day, in no particular order. It’s my “Man Crush” list…
Desmond King
Blair Brown
Dion Dawkins
Pat Elflein
Chris Wormley
Eddie Vanderdoes
Jake Butt
Not sure what Eisen took offense at but I for sure noticed that some of you guys on the blog put out what various picks were while the guys on ESPN and NFL Net were talking about what it would be. Maybe time delay/commercials were involved……or maybe not.
The teams that are on the clock know the pick prior to theirs before its announced
Shit leaks
I don’t doubt that the announcers know the pick
Wouldn’t it be great to know the final score of a Phins game and then brag about how it will end up while watching with someone on DVR? Might even make you look real smart.
To those of you who were clamoring for a TE on day 1… you’re going to LUV Jake Butt. No, he isn’t a speed demon seam-threat. But the guy is a more than adequate in-line blocker and he can move the chains. He reminds me of a Todd Heap-like TE.
I saw many of his games over the last 2 years and he won’t disappoint ya. He’s a gamer.
I’d go so far to say he’s a cross of a young Fasano and Heap.
I don’t see that unless he is double teamed, a tackle will just try to do his best to stay in front of him not giving up the edge or the underneath spin move, if he is double teamed they will have to account for Suh and co also.
stangerx says:
April 28, 2017 at 11:47 am
I love the spin move…..also thinking at some point with better tackles he is gonna get smacked to hard to the ground in the middle of it.
I never played football O-Rob, but did have to tackle. Missed when a dude was trying to be shifty, but what a feeling when you catch a smaller guy in the middle of it an off balance. Am all cool with Harris and what he brings though.
The way i see it is, when he’s pressuring the outside lane to the qb and the tackle starts to overplay that move to the outside; that’s when he resorts to the spin move inside. I really think this guy will be a great addition, you can’t draft enough pass rushers.
I think he is a real good add as well…..was just saying that that spin move might not work as well in the NFL and at some point he will get smacked in the middle of it. More important to me is that they got the gut to be Wake when Wake ain’t here any more. Taco was not that.
There’s O Rob! What’s up, Brother!!!
how are you doing MF-13, I hope everything is good with you.
Doing well, man! I hope all is well with you too. Get out golfing yet this year? I haven’t, but the weather is finally getting NICE and I’m itching!
i golf just about every day, i play a great course in Ocala with lots of undulation slick greens, i get out at about 4pm and play till dark.
I envy you, O Rob! I’ll get out within the next two weeks to knock the rust off. And as always, THANK YOU for the tips you’ve given me… it’s really helped my game.
You’re the best MF-13
I wish, LOL, but THANKS, my man! I’m very happy to see you back!!! YOU ROCK!!!
This guy seems to think we made a mistake.
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I’m sorry but Reuben Foster and T.J. Watt — bloodlines for days! — were both on the board and Chris Grier and crew proceeded to whiff as this franchise has repeatedly done in the past
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/really-miami-dolphins-draft-defensive-130713112.html
File that under, “cant make them all happy”, and then store it permanently in cabinet 13.
If we’re as SERIOUS about the CB position as Adam Gase has made it sound, I wonder if we’d be willing to trade up for Kevin King. He checks all the boxes for what we like in a boundary CB: height, length, speed, and leap.
Kevin King will likely be going early this evening. If we REALLY want him, we’d probably have to trade up. He would serve as Byron Maxwell’s replacement in ’18 when Maxwell is a $10M cap hit with ZERO dead cap.
No need to trade up with so many top CB’s still left on the board. If a run begins, yeah they may have to re-think it but i dont see they would need to. King isnt better than a lot of those other guys.
I agree with ya, D. NO WAY am I trading up with the little ammo we have this year. It’s just a thought for a guy the FO may LUV.
The guy they supposedly love is Tankersly, and Tabor right behind him. They showed a lot of interest in those two.
Mando, called out the “experts” who were announcing at the draft, Eisen being one of them, and indicated that its easy for them to be right about the picks since they know before the announcement what the pick was. Mando has coming to him whatever they pop back with, and a couple of them already have popped back. Mando is kinda out of line on this one, though those other guys are so much “bigger” than him, you would think they wouldn’t get their nipples irritated by him making a stupid twitter post.
Why is Mando out of line if they actually do know the pick while they are discussing what it might be? And for the record…I do not know that to be true. For sure seems he got their attention though.
I dont think he knows that to be true either Stanger, that’s why i think he should have kept that to himself. I also dont think calling out a person of your profession for things like that that easily could be said about him is the way a professional acts, its catty.
D — what I do know is that many picks were right on this board while what it would be were being discussed on TV. And that was not a guess…..put out as fact (and not one was wrong). And I have brought up many things that other people did in my profession at least. It is a self-correcting and self-policing mechanism.
And for the record again — I don’t know what Mando knows or did know about this.
I dunno Stanger, but ill leave it alone. Mando seems out of line to me reading the rest of his twitter replys, etc. I like him better than most the reporters for the Phins, but he is not above any of the same things they all do, he does however present himself as better and calls out the others for things he does from time to time. Dont thorws stones in glass houses ya know.
D — my best advice when it comes to such is to at least know what you don’t know. Once you accept that — in this case at least — it is difficult to come to hard conclusions. I at least couldn’t in this one.
The only TE id “target” at this point is Jermery Sprinkle and even he would be a person i wouldn’t take over defensive players i had on a similar big board level. Id be more likely to overdraft him though, where as Butt it would have to be a value pick for me to choose him over other players. There are still plenty of guys who are good TE’s, not as dynamic as the ones off the board already but solid players, good hybrid abilities, and would bring something more to the group we already have, so i would try really hard to avoid forcing the issue with selecting any one guy.
I’d target Kittle if he falls to round 3.
Kittle is one of the guys i like best after Sprinkle.
The only 2 media guys that annoyed me w/ the picks were Berman who did have them fed to him & tried to play it like he was guessing & then we have that sacknof shit JLC who was listing picks 2 teams head of who was on the clock.
It sucks having to wait but i think for the sake of everything they should have obeyed the rules and stuck to announcing them as they broadcast them. Playing up that they dont know, i could give a shit, they are all actors anyways. What Mando also did was start posting picks on twitter ahead of the broadcast too, so pretty much went rogue so he deserves some shit for that too. Mando is only a smidgen of sleeziness better than Omar, and the only big difference between the two is Mando will stoop to that level if it serves him, and Omar bought an apartment there and spends every waking moment there.
PSA: in the event we draft Desmond King this evening and the internet breaks due to someone overloading the world with BALL HAWK(!!!) posts… it wasn’t me. Just sayin’…
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https://miamiherald.relaymedia.com/amp/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article147384069.html
Ill start a Want: Take: for rounds 2, and 3.
Round 2:
Want: Zach Cunningham
Take: Alex Anzalone
Round 3:
Want: Ethan Pocic
Take: Justin Evans
I’ve heard a LOT about Cooper Kupp, but I didn’t really research early round WRs… didn’t feel it necessary to do so with our current corps, KNOWING we’re going to find a way to re-sign Jarvis Landry.
Kupp is VERY good from what I’ve heard, the little I’ve seen, and understand.
Dbolt, YOU are the resident WR enthusiast, IMO. What say YOU about Kupp?
Love the kid. Plays faster than he times. Creates great separation in his route running and likes to lower his shoulder.
I saw him at Senior Bowl and met him there as well. He’s one of those gritty receivers that works hard at perfecting technique and running routes and little nuance things that a really athletically gifted guy doesn’t always work on.
He would be the Hogan or Edelman, etc kind of WR and not just because they are all white, but just because they do the best with what they got, and he has turn that into being a very productive player at a smaller school level. He may not start out as a beast or make his way into our starting rotation right off but to me he seems like he would work hard so he wouldn’t be denied it for long.
There was another guy there that we met with as well, Trent Taylor of LaTech who is very similar, and id bet a bunch that one of these guys will be a Patriot lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBng1pBKQf0
Thanks for BOTH of your inputs. For what it’s worth, I think we have bigger fish to fry than to address the WR position early again this year. But yes, Kupp is NICE.
The question is do we have a deal in place to move Parker or Carroo???
Round 2
WANT: Dion Dawkins
TAKE: Chris Wormley
Round 3
WANT: Blair Brown
TAKE: Pat Elflein
PLEASE surprise me and land Desmond King!!!
M13 thats why i think Taylor might be more likely than Kupp. Kupp is most likely going to be drafted today, where as Taylor is probably going to be a late day 3, where we could afford him. R7P5 might be a perfect spot for him.
Got ya… I follow that! That would work for me.
Headline from CSN New England……”DOLPHINS LOOKING TO MAKE BRADY’S LIFE DIFFICULT WITH MISSOURI’S HARRIS”
dbolt48 says:
April 28, 2017 at 1:40 pm
The question is do we have a deal in place to move Parker or Carroo???
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I think Carroo is too un-established to get a fair return on him, so I wouldn’t move him now.
I think DeVante is about to FLOURISH in his 3rd year (on schedule) if he’s being serious and his cramps are behind him.
I wouldn’t move either one of them right now, JMO, as always. Now as the trade deadline approaches and things aren’t working out… that’s another matter to be addressed then.
I wouldn’t move either of them now neither, but I can’t figure out spending a 3rd on Kupp w/ the current lineup.
^^^
Harris reminds me of the type of player the Steelers would draft. Hard worker, passionate about his craft and productive on the field.
You’re like 14 hours behind… “Good morning, Sunshine!!!”, LOL 😉
JBB, Brother! 🙂
LOL, why did someone already say that?
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Did Harris line up on the left side at all or was he strictly right/weak side? Most of his highlights that I’ve seen was right side and stunting inside from the right side.
The way I saw it, he was mostly lined-up against the LT. He did move around, though, from inside the Tackle to outside the Tackle. He’s a perfect fit for our ‘Wide-9’ Defense.
Yeah he is. His attitude is a big reason we took him. He has Wake’s work ethic. He’s joining a great DL room.
NOBODY… NOBODY has MR. WAKE’S work ethic! But rest assured (and you’re right!), Wake is going to mold Harris into one of the very BEST. WINNING!!!
Seems to me that MR. WAKE can take a young Harris to the next level, being Harris is young, HUNGRY, and wants to FEED THE WOLF.
M13, I was just going by his videos and how hard he works off the field. He’s all business for a young man.
I feel ya, man. I’m just sayin’… nobody… NOBODY — not even James Harrison’s $$$ being spent on legally enhancing drugs at soon-to-be age 39 — can replace the blue collar work ethic that is MR. CAM WAKE.
We agree that WAKE is the VERY best mentor that a young Harris could EVER receive in order to make his already hunger GROW! HELL YEAH!!!
Piggy, don’t be surprised if we see Wake, Suh, Phillips, Branch and Harris on the field at the same time when we go to a wide 9 5-2 formation. It’s basically a hybrid 3-4 defense.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/mizzou-football/sold-dolphins-mizzous-charles-harris/
“Remember this name: Charles Harris. He’ll be the next great Missouri defensive lineman and a future first-round pick.” And that was right after he walked into practice….
“We agree that WAKE is the VERY best mentor that a young Harris could EVER receive in order to make his already hunger GROW! HELL YEAH!!!”
M13 — sorta thinking it will will work like this with more fit bodies and more strongly anchored hammocks involved.
LOL!!!
“Hey little buddy!” 🙂
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/greg-cote/article147333314.html
Missouri (Misery) certainly has had the recent propensity to create incredible pass-rushers. The one everybody forgets? Jacquies Smith (was there with Aldon Smith, not related).
” MY FA options: Tony McDaniel, DT or Paul Soliai, NG; Jacquies Smith, DE (check on his knee injury)”
That stated, there’s no longer a need to look at Jacquies what with the draft selection of Harris.
NOT a fan of Misery players on Offense, but their Defensive pass-rushers are VERY good.
McDaniel and Big Paul both make sense if we don’t draft DT. But which one makes sense depends on what they have in mind for Phillips. And that is one I have no clue on.
What do you mean what they have in mind for Phillips? He’s going to be in the DT rotation like he has been.
He has all the physical you could want and for sure he will be in the rotation. Just not sure passing rushing force, run stopper or maybe all-around stud for both (he has that potential). I just don’t know, including whether he is a plan for the future guy. And that is a key as to whether they go DT in the draft.
The cost of #22 these days…. “Harris will sign a four-year rookie contract worth $10,875,220, including a $6,026,859 signing bonus.”
http://www.miamidolphins.com/multimedia/videos/Analysis-Of-Charles-Harris-With-Chris-Grier/f41f62dc-2338-4d4e-8fdf-ddf6161537ec
Want: Zach Cunningham or Duke Riley
Take: Alcohol
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Garret Bolles reminded me of Lennie from “Of Mice and Men” in his handling of his baby, i was legit scared he was going to drop the kid at some points while he was on the stage. If he started stroking that kids hair i was going to have to turn the TV off out of pure fear.
Stanger, Phillips is definitely part of the plan. We need a 3rd DT as we only have Lawrence Okoye and Nick Williams as depth as of now. Both could be considered long shots to make the team. So I’m sure we’ll add some more competition to the group.
I completely agree that Phillips is part of the plan (locked in next two years as one of our 3 DTs for sure). Was just wondering in what way. And again….have no clue. More than anything just pointing out that I didn’t.
Phillips does have a knack for batting down passes even if he’s not a high sack guy. He needs to improve his conditioning to go to another level. He looks dominant at times and then gets taken out of the play at other times. He’s admitted that he needs to get better and that’s why he trained with Suh in the offseason.
Exactly. Condition is good and he can become a force…..if not he becomes a run stuffer. He has shown he can bulldoze to the QB at times too. What potential. Reminds me of Big Paul before he got in shape.
We also brought back Julius Warmsley who can play both DE and DT but he struggled last year at DT after having a very good camp and PS.
I think we go DB or LB in the 2nd.
Or guard.
Or DE
You think in the 2nd with Wake, Branch, Hayes and now Harris?
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article142185864.html
you know who is sitting out there without a contract and who has cinny past relationship with him?
signing him would make the LB group one of the strong units of team. They attacked the weakness with Timmons FA agency with him still having a couple good years left in him. You could say he was a top tier FA. They drafted a project LB in Harris who isn’t going to gain weight at 255 lbs. When in college he gained weight but they say he lost his speed. He won’t be able to play DE with OT weighing 50-60 lbs heavier than him. He will tossed around like rag doll . Misi is almost exact size as him.
Getting Rey M. would help the LB corps greatly and we can probably get him on the cheap since he is at the end of his career. Cheap 2 year contract backloaded so if he doesn’t have it anymore we can cut him without a huge cap hit.
Harris is an edge rusher. Wake is only 10 lbs. heavier than him, the same with Branch. He will add weight in the next few years the right way.
Want: Carl Lawson
Take: Tim Williams
Want: JuJu Smith Schuster
Take: Desmond King
I think we go LB, OG,CB or S with the next pick. DT possible as well
Good thing you narrowed that down for us.. 🙂
Just trying to help. My best guess would be LB
There’s going to be a good player available at our next pick. I’m looking forward to it. What’s the deal with tonight, is it RD 2 and 3?
Yes!
yes. 2 and 3 starts at 7
Short and sweet
DraftSite’s comments: Great motor…Miami has to love this selection.
I want a LB, I’m thinking Anzalone
He would be a good one.
The 2nd rd is always fun, that’s where you can find great value. I agree with Mike that it will probably be OG, LB, CB, S or DT. BPA at those positions.
Do we have the last pick of the 3rd RD? Think we’ll get some calls for trades? Might be a good place to get another pick or 2
No we have the first comp pick of the third…
Never mind, we have the first of the compensatory picks.
Need to examine your own eyes….ive already said that!
It’s really like the first pick in the 4th rd.
Except its not because it tonight and not tomorrow…..
DT’s arent normally high sack number players, they are the reasons DE’s get sacks. They also arent generally high tackle number players, they help the LB’s get big tackle numbers. They do help collapse the pocket by driving their players back into the QB’s face and clog the ability to step up in the pocket. This keeps the QB in the back of the pocket where the DE’s, like two trailer park girls, go ’round the outside to make the sack. For the running plays they force RB’s to take different gaps than the blocking was set up for and eat up blockers usually assigned to release and get the LB. That usually forces the RB to gaps where the LB’s have assignments to close down, and leaves them no blockers to block the LB from doing it.
A exceptional DT can drive them back to complete the assignment, and then shed them to make a play on the RB, or drive the blockers back and shed them to sack the QB who tries to escape through a gap in the front. Its players like Suh that basically make you think a DT is meant to be something else, because they are so dominant they not only help the other players but they get theirs too. These are rare players though, and thats why the Suh criticism has seemed very unwarranted to me, because he is destroying people and has been since he has gotten here, and only thing that slowed him down year one was a defensive system that didnt let him be him and had such poor players behind him that what he was doing didnt get capitalized on.
Phillips when on, does a really good job pushing his guy back, he just needs to learn to read where the pocket has escape paths, shed his blocker to that side and then close on the QB and he will start getting more sacks. Again, it really doesn’t matter too much if he doesn’t have big sack numbers as long as he is doing his job well and while he is out there he pretty much does, he just doesn’t have the conditioning to stay out there for enough snaps.
I saw an interview with Andre Branch after he re-signed where he said you’re going to see a very different guy in Phillips this year knowing he’s training with Suh.
he got doubled teamed last year a lot when the play was rushed towards his side. I read somewhere he was doubled teamed 47 per of the time when the play was toward his side.
We do have the last pick in the 5th RD
and 2 other ones not the last pick in the 5th.
Yes
5th rd – #22, #35 and the last pick in the 5th #41.
Pretty sure we will pick a human being, who previously played college football, and that aspires to play NFL football.
You sure Obi is human?
Tim
It’s not like the 1st pick in the 4th, because that pick is the next day, and teams will be wanting to trade into that pick. I’m just looking to gain back a pick or 2 that Mikey Tradey Pants squandered. 😉
32 x 3 is 96, we have #97. I know it’s not officially a 4th, but it is based on numbers if no 3rd rd comp picks were awarded.
I get that, but the 1st of pick day 3 is so much more valuable as a tradable commodity.
Well that’s different. That pick is the Packers #108.
There are so many players that got pushed down that 2nd and 3rd should be really solid players. Only way id want to trade back in either is if there was a really bad run of our guys and we just dont like anything at our pick. I think that’s going to be close to impossible. Id also probably consider it if it was just a really fat offer i couldn’t refuse. I could see us moving up from 5th to 4th tomorrow, but i dont think we see a trade tonight unless its just too good to pass up.
Tim Knight says:
April 28, 2017 at 3:48 pm
Harris is an edge rusher. Wake is only 10 lbs. heavier than him, the same with Branch. He will add weight in the next few years the right way.
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I’d like to agree with you but I wouldn’t take a guy in 1st round who has to gain weight to be a starter when he already has proven in college he can’t gain the weight without losing some speed. 255 is not a typical DE weight. I think he is going to be a speed rusher on 3rd down packages and a OLB project.
What do u think of them pursuing Rey M. as MLB and timmons and number 47 playing the other OLB. Misi could play MLB and OLB in 3-4 package also. Everyone would be interchangable except Rey.
Cam Wake was 235 when he went undrafted in 2005. Harris is a pass rusher, not a stout run defending DE. But in our scheme he’ll be in the rotation like you said as an edge rusher in sub packages. Grier already said he’ll be in the 4 man rotation with Wake, Branch and Hayes (who is a stout run defender).
I keep hearing them say he isnt a stout run defender but he wasnt bad at it, im not really sure where that comes from except people just see his weight and start making those statements. The tape doesnt show a bad run defender.
I agree, it’s his projection at the next level being a tweener. Playing the run is not about weight, it’s about skill. There are plenty of big guys who can’t play the run because they’re just not that good. Harris beats people with quickness and power. Lawrence Taylor used to throw 300 lb. tackles to the ground at 6-3 245.
Snorting the sidelines before and during the game help that a little.
Come on D- the NFL OT average over 300lbs and they have the quickness he rarely saw in college. Ground and pound teams would probably attack him by running right towards him. Buffalo and NY Jets seem to follow this formula but then again we don’t know about Buffalo yet.
What r u talking about MikeE?
damn that was 25-30 years ago and you are still thinking about Cocaine. The new thing now a nows is opiates. We get news down here almost daily that coke was intercepted on the high seas. Usually about a 1/2 ton.
Heroin is the big drug in NJ, and many other places too, because it’s dirt cheap.
That’s when LT played. LOL
Mike, well a lot of guys were snorting in the 80’s. LOL
Quite true
jetssuck
LT snorting the sidelines so he can throw players around
My daughter lives in the same community as him. I once saw him chipping (golf)in the front yard.
Let’s not act like there aren’t a lot of 6-3 255-265 edge rushers in the NFL. They’ve been around forever. There is more to playing this game than weight. Remember John Abraham getting on Jake Long so quick he knocked him down on his way to a sack? He was 6-4 260, Long was 6-7 315.
you are correct. Straight up I’d take the OL that outweighs the undersized guy by 50 LBs for running the ball but passing plays I like the quicker guy.
OL usually outweigh DEs by quite a bit. The smaller DEs are usually the better athletes.
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And provided free syringes and amnesty to the dealers for a 20% cut.
come on, that’s not nice to say about someone doing good and helping people.
They drafted a project LB in Harris who isn’t going to gain weight at 255 lbs. When in college he gained weight but they say he lost his speed. He won’t be able to play DE with OT weighing 50-60 lbs heavier than him. He will tossed around like rag doll . Misi is almost exact size as him.
Jetsuck, They DID NOT draft a project LB in Harris. They drafted a DE / Pass rusher.
I’ve heard a couple of people say he is too small at 6’3″ 255 to play DE.
Cam Wake: 6’3″ 264lbs Do you think 9lbs really make that much of a difference?
Somehow to me Harris looks THICKER than Wake (now I haven’t seen them side by side yet) but he is definitely lighter so maybe it’s just the build / body make up.
Wake is a rare exceptional athlete and comparing Harris to him is unfair to the kid. It’s my opinion that he is not big enough to play DE every down. I heard last night several teams had him run LB skill drills at the combine. Drafting a player in the 1st round usually is a player that has all the physical metrics. I don’t see him as a every down player unless he can play LB and DE on obvious passing downs. He could be special in creating confusion for DC’s for opposing teams.
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Derek Barnett is 6-3 259 and went #14 to the Eagles. Takkarist McKinley 6-2 250 #26 to the Falcons. Charles Harris 6-3 255 #22 to Miami. The same type of players.
It’s a fair comparison, it’s like saying someone looks like someone else. There’s features that resemble the other person. In Harris’ case he has the bend and quickness to get around the corner, so he has the skills to be a Wake type of speed rusher. That’s it, the comparison stops there, no one is saying everything they do is similar, they’re just saying they have similar pass rush skills, not the production, or anything else.
I agree with Mando. Something seemed fishy last night.
What like when the Lions were still on the board at #21 and Eisen was already saying the Giants were on the clock at #23? The Lions and Dolphins picks weren’t even in yet.
On the clock I meant.
Fishy regarding what?
M13,
You and your Big Paul love. I’ve missed it! Lol
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Problem is; there’s absolutely no reason to sign a purely 3/4 NT. He’d basically be a one down player….a 0 tech guy. He isn’t really a rotational guy. He’d be a first down or short yardage guy when you think they’ll run…and lots of teams throw on third and short anymore anyway. That’s a valuable roster spot for that limited snaps. Plus, he’s old and not particularly great. McDaniels is a much better fit.
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A Soliai rant! God, I’ve missed those. Lol
They would probably have to keep him in all the time since he would probably be tired after rotating out his first time. What was he 340-350 lbs.
MikeE/Tim,
There were times when JUST before the commissioner got up to the podium to make the announcement, one of the announcers would spit out some guy’s name who they thought the pick was gonna be, and it seemed like it just came out of nowhere. Lo and behold they were right.
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I don’t think it’s a big deal either way, but I would’t be surprised if the NFL gave that info to their announcers/staff before the pick got to the podium. It makes their people look smart and good at what they do. Hell, it could just be a time management/production sort of thing. I just know I thought the same thing as I was watching last night.
I get it! I felt the same way and like you I don’t really care. LOL
who drafted Pauly was it during the 1-15 yr team? I forgot his name but they had some picks that players played 8-10 years> I remember how upset I was with the Ginn pick and he lasted a long time in NFL. Brady the qb never made it. They drafted several players that had good long careers. Punter comes to mind.
Randy Mueller. 2007 wasn’t a good draft.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=2700&type=team
Now how can you say that? We had pro bowl talent on that team. You yourself thought highly of Beck because he broke all S.Youngs records at BYU. Samson. Satele played in NFL 10-12 yrs, Ginn is still playing as starter and several others played 4-5 yrs.
Randy, what do you think of Charles Harris?
Tim,
He isn’t the guy I’d have picked, but I’m okay with it. I do have some questions about just how good he can be, but I would expect at the least a solid, long term starter. He may not ever be a 15 sack guy, but he might be a 10 sack a year guy. He does already have some advanced skills, so who knows? Setting the edge? He’ll have to show me he can do that at the next level? You can never have too many young edge rushers. I’ll give up a little against the run if he’s really good at getting to the QB. You usually don’t get both anyway.
Fair enough. I love his commitment to his craft. I think he has high character and work ethic traits.
JS, my opinion on John Beck have nothing to do with anything. He wasn’t good enough. Satele was off our team by 2009, Ginn was an explosive return man and sub par receiver. Soliai developed into a good player for a few years. Fields was a great punter. Not exactly building blocks for the future though.
i consider a player good that has a career more than 5 yrs in NFL. Satele came back to our team a second time for a year also. Anytime we can get 4-5 players from a draft to start within the league is a good sign of a quality GM who’s doing the drafting.
Talk about a DVR night. 2nd day of the draft, Pirates are on the local tube against the Marlins (lost the option for the MLB package) and the Celts are doing game six against the Bulls. Not a huge NBA fan even if Celts are my team…….but jeez is Iseah Thomas and the team in general fun to watch.