How Ryan Tannehill is quietly putting together an “Elite” career

How Ryan Tannehill is quietly putting together an “Elite” career

Miami Dolphins v Buffalo Bills

It’s that time of the year when we have run out of Dolphins stuff to talk about.  Training camp is about two weeks away and any news we hear at this time of year about our players would probably be bad news. (Injuries, arrests, scandals, etc) No news is good news during this period but that doesn’t create interest on this board so I decided to try my hand at stirring the pot a little.

Photo #2

No subject seems to generate as many posts and responses on here and other Dolphins sites as the performance of Ryan Tannehill.  Fans seem to either like him or hate him with very few in between.

The “Haters” and “Tanne-shills” have been at it going on 6 years now with little or no movement towards the middle ground.  Because I am a shameless homer and Kool-aid junky I am going to attempt to show how Tannehill is currently on par with some of the “greats” up to this point in their careers.   A few years from now when the Dolphins have seen more TEAM success and have a couple of Rings this will all be generally accepted.


Photo #3

As we all know Ryan Tannehill came into the league as a fist round draft pick but had very little starting experience as a QB in college, having elected to play wide receiver rather than sit behind the QB’s already on the roster so he could, you know, play football. He started off his career playing average to below average football as might be expected from a QB with so little experience in college.  His detractors pointing out his flaws relentlessly. He couldn’t throw a deep pass, he couldn’t read defenses, he had no pocket presence, he was a terrible red-zone passer, etc. etc.

Then something happened.  He started getting better, every year, at things that were is weaknesses in previous seasons.  Go figure! A young player actually developing? His deep ball improved greatly,St. Louis Rams v Miami Dolphins his red-zone play improved, his ability to read defenses and beat the blitz increased, to the point where he is among the top 5-10 QB’s in the league at these things.

He keeps getting better. This brings me to the comparison to “elite” Quarterbacks in the league. The Tom Brady’s, Peyton Manning’s, Ben Roethlisburger’s (and argued by many) Matt Ryan’s & Andrew Luck’s of the NFL did not start out as “elite” players. They started out as “average to below average” players.  They just continued to get better at their trade as time went along until one day they were considered “elite”.  If you look at the chart below you will see that Tannehill’s stats are on par or better in some cases than those of these players at this point in their careers (5 seasons)

 

Player                             Att        Comp     Pct          Yds            Avg     TD        TD%    Int       Rating
Ryan Tannehill            527.40   330.60    62.82     3,691.00     7.06    21.20    4.04   13.20      86.56
 Big Rape                        381.00   237.80    62.80     2,994.80     8.02    20.20    5.48   13.80      91.26
 Matt Ryan                     527.40   330.80    62.36     3,791.40     7.20    25.40    4.76   12.00      90.18
 Peyton Manning         563.40   349.80    62.06     4,123.60     7.34    27.60    4.92   20.00       85.90
 Tom Brady                   509.00   315.20    62.00     3,605.80     7.14    24.60    4.86   13.20       88.60
 Drew Brees                  361.80   225.00    60.82     2,469.60     7.08    16.00    4.32   10.60       86.64
 Andrew Luck              530.20   314.00    58.96     3,815.60     7.12    26.40    5.00   13.60       86.26   
   
** Note: Average stats have not been adjusted for missed games due to sitting or Injury

The chart above shows the AVERAGES of the first five years in the league for Ryan Tannehill and 6 other quarterbacks who many argue are the “Elite” of the NFL; Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisburger, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Andrew Luck and Matt Ryan.  Here is what I see when I look at these stats;

  • Ryan Tannehill is the MOST accurate passer of the bunch through the first five years.
  • He has the third least Interceptions per year and 3rd lowest Interception percentage
  • He has thrown for the 4th most yards per year of the bunch. (Average)
  • He has thrown the 3rd most completions per year (Average)

These numbers are not compared to rank and file of the NFL. These are comparisons with the so-called “Elite” of the league and in this company he stacks up pretty well.

The most encouraging part of this comparison is this: Ryan Tannehill keeps getting better and better. Just like these other “Elite” QB’s have.

Ryan Tannehill has accomplished this with a lesser supporting cast than many of these other quarterbacks while being one of the most sacked QB’s in his first 5 years.  Imagine if he wasn’t throwing all those passes from his back!

Photo #5

Now that he is working with a Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator who understand his strengths and weaknesses and know how to maximize the first and correct the second, the SKY IS THE LIMIT! GO DOLPHINS!  GO TANNEHILL!

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I know this article will not sway anyone one way or the other, but it will generate discussion, which is what most of us come here for. We will have to wait until all is said and done before we can say for certain that Ryan Tannehill is an Elite QB, but based upon the evidence he is on the right track.

Let the discussion (arguments & ridicule) begin!

Get your ice cold Homeraide heeeeyaaaarrreee!!!
Rockphin

 

Thank you, Rockphin we appreciate your submission. Camp starts soon!

 

 

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568 Responses to How Ryan Tannehill is quietly putting together an “Elite” career

  1. steveccnv says:

    What if this is the year, the year brady’s body says enough, and he’s too stubborn to come out of the game? The year every hit feels like someone parked a truck on him.

    • stangerx says:

      Can only imagine what it would be like to be hit by NFL guys at 40….at the time does change so much but man to they stick with you so much worse in the days after as you age.

  2. steveccnv says:

    TJ McDonald suspension creates an added problem for Gase
    https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/dolphins/tj-mcdonald-suspension-creates-added-problem-adam-gase/

    What a stupid article, what if Allen starts fast, then tails off as the season goes on, and TJ comes in week 9 and saves the day on the back end? Or what if we’re just thin back there as the season goes on.

    • Mike E. says:

      The way the “problem” was presented is a little off, but I said from the beginning, it’s hard to expect a lot out of McDonald after being out for 8 weeks. Can’t see how he can be in game shape, and if Allen is playing really poorly all season, it’s pretty late to have your savior come in in week 8. It may turn alright, but I don’t think it was a great signing.

      • Tim Knight says:

        The McDonald signing was a low risk signing and if he gets his act together it will likely turn into a long term situation, not just for this year.

      • Mike E. says:

        Low risk – low reward. Not sure how it ends up to be a long term solution. I think the only way it could turn out to be a long term win is if he never plays, or at least doesn’t start, but we like him enough to sign him. If he plays, and plays real well, we’ll have to outbid everyone else for his services anyway.

  3. Rockphin says:

    steveccnv says:
    July 19, 2017 at 11:12 pm
    Jimmy! It’s fantasy football.
    Log in to Reply

    Well to be fair ‘Steve It is really a Fantasy that Ryan Tannehill is an elite quarterback at this point too. LOL😜

  4. naplesfan2010 says:

    MF13
    Thanks for the definition of defense adjusted value over average.
    I get it.
    A three yard run for a TD is better than a 3 yard run on 2nd and 15, not only because it scores points, but also because you can’t run for more than 3 yds from the 3 yd line.

    Obviously, when extrapolating latent tendencies of regression to the mean, it should be obvious that one must consider that scoring that 3 yd TD to get a playoff berth is a weighted factor relative to scoring that TD in a meaningless victory balanced against the matrix of teams Sucking for Luck* in whose strategy losing a late season game when already out of the play-offs means a higher draft pick, thus value is actually added to that 3 yd run on 2nd and 15 as meeting the goals of the GM, once the recidivism of the Cleveland Browns is factored in, as playing them makes TDs so common as to be worth less than a TD against a perennial playoff caliber team.

    Once that computation is made, the result can then be fed into the equation with derivative variables for weather, MNF pressure, and whether the 3 yd run came in a contract yr for the RB or behind a lower quartile OL.

    I call this the DVOA-BS.

  5. steveccnv says:

    Tannehill isnt quietly putting together an elite career. He’s quietly putting up decent numbers that haven’t amounted to much. Let’s see him put up a quiet type of year that leads us to a title.

    • stangerx says:

      Leaving “elite” or not aside……would be glad to see him look comfortable, especially under pressure…..at that is about both with rushers coming at him and in game pressure situations. I’d be happy if all his stats the same if sacks go down and 4th Q comebacks go up.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’d prefer that we don’t need a lot of 4th qtr comebacks. 🙂

      • stangerx says:

        lol…You get the point though. My main concerns with Tanny are mental. We could go power run game so long as he acts like a cool cat.

      • steveccnv says:

        Sorry Tim this is the NFL even the cheats need 4th qtr comebacks.

  6. Tim Knight says:

    Mike, McDonald can start practicing 2 weeks before his suspension is up so he gets some football game shape reps. Then he’ll probably start off on STs with getting some snaps here and there at safety to get up to speed. He could end up being the guy we put on Gronk in weeks 12 and 14.

    He might be willing to sign with us ahead of other teams being we were the team who gave him another chance. We’ll see how it plays out.

  7. stangerx says:

    Why the heck are the Phins listed in Vegas as 7.5 on the over/under bothers me (and in many articles)…..those guys are smart after all, but lets look at it a bit more. Actual listing from oddsshark is:

    MIAMI DOLPHINS
    OVER 7.5 -125
    UNDER 7.5 -105

    Not a sports book guy, but that means you get paid more for the under than the over…..which means it is not a true win number. And check out the link if you want, they do the same for every team on the futures as they try to lure in the homers..

    So what is their true number after you do the math on that? Thinking more like 8.5 or even 9.

    http://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/2017-nfl-season-win-totals

  8. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, I said I’d prefer that we don’t need “a lot” of 4th qtr comebacks. It was also tongue and cheek.

  9. Mike E. says:

    A lot depends on injuries, but if we can stay healthy, we should have at least 9 wins this season, and maybe as much as 11.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Who knows, maybe even more. 😉

    • stangerx says:

      Completely agree. Wife is going to Vegas to buy some clothes before the season starts……am tempted to get her to put i a bet on the Phins.

      Heard on sports radio yesterday that one-third of all bets on the Cubs winning the World Series have yet to be cashed (not in dollars just actual bets). Key theory was that the Cubs fans are framing them.

      • Mike E. says:

        I assume you mean for her store, right? I would hope he can find clothes for herself in FLA. 😉

      • stangerx says:

        Funny how the big shopping expo events for women fashion stuff are in NYC, San Fran, LA, Vegas, etc…….but not like many a guy hasn’t turned up for a for a convention cause it was in New Orleans or Vegas either.

  10. Randy says:

    If we can figure out a way to increase our scoring output about 3-5 points a game, we’d probably be in the top 10 in scoring and have a lot better chance to win 10+ games. We can’t keep trying to win games 21-17 or 24-21. We need to score, say, 25-27 consistently. I think our defense will improve a bit, but I don’t think we’ll have a great defense. We need to increase our scoring.

  11. mf13ss says:

    TMZ‏Verified account @TMZ 6m6 minutes ago
    #BREAKING: Chester Bennington of Linkin Park has committed suicide. RIP
    http://www.tmz.com/2017/07/20/linkin-park-singer-chester-bennington-dead-commits-suicide/

  12. Randy says:

    steve,
    All that stuff leads to more scoring. Lol We can complete every 3rd down we face, but if it doesn’t lead to a score, who cares?

    • steveccnv says:

      If we take every drive down the field and kick a 40 yard FG, we’ll win enough to make the playoffs. 7 drives per game at 5 minutes per drive. If our D only has to play about 25 minutes a game they won’t give up a lot of points. On the otherhand, if we get 4 tds per game and average 2 minute drives…

  13. Randy says:

    Tim,
    We were just under 23 points a game last year. If we can get it to 26-27, we’ll be much more successful. Much more than that in one year is a big task, I think. 30 would be nice though! Lol

    • Tim Knight says:

      In 9 of our 10 wins we scored 26 or more points with 6 games over 30. The only game we won that didn’t reach those numbers was the Rams game at 14-10.

  14. mf13ss says:

    OJ Simpson has been granted parole for October 1st, this year.

  15. Mike E. says:

    Go OJ go!

  16. Randy says:

    Tim,
    That’s kind of my point. I wasn’t really trying to do a breakdown of our offense….just saying we need to figure out how to score more if we want to win more and become regular playoff participants.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Agreed and the numbers back up your point.

    • Mike E. says:

      If we get in the endzone more often, that would help. 😉

    • stangerx says:

      Given that not much else is changed at the skill positions other than keeping who was there….lets hope that Thomas is the new dynamic. Thinking he could get things opened up.

      • Tim Knight says:

        2nd year in the system, players more up to speed with the offense, Ajayi being the bell cow from the get go and a breakout year from Parker could change the dynamic of the offense along with Thomas.

      • stangerx says:

        TIm — all the upside on it, and trust in Gase to make it done, even if thinking he has a long-range plan. Vegas says 7.5 (even if explained why I think it is more like 8.5). What’s your over/under for the year? Mine is 9.

  17. Tim Knight says:

    Mike E, you’re avi is creeping me out. LOL

  18. mf13ss says:

    “3. A new NFL rule introduced this year, according to Pro Football Talk, will allow for head coaches to be ejected after two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. It’s just too bad Jim Harbaugh is in college now. Here’s my list of favorites (in order) to be ejected first:”

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2722583-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-scott-frantz-is-an-nfl-caliber-talent

    • Brian in NY says:

      Saquon is a beast…

      • mf13ss says:

        HELL YEAH, Brian!!! He’s going to ROCK this year!!!

      • Brian in NY says:

        It just sucks he’ll most likely go to a crappy team- as long as it’s not the Jets I’m okay with that though!

    • mf13ss says:

      32. Jim Caldwell, Detroit Lions
      31. Adam Gase, Miami Dolphins
      30. Todd Bowles, New York Jets
      29. Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs
      28. Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals
      27. Hue Jackson, Cleveland Browns
      26. Chuck Pagano, Indianapolis Colts
      25. Jason Garrett, Dallas Cowboys
      24. Mike McCarthy, Green Bay Packers
      23. Dirk Koetter, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
      22. Bruce Arians, Arizona Cardinals
      21. Ron Rivera, Carolina Panthers
      20. Vance Joseph, Denver Broncos
      19. Sean McVay, Los Angeles Rams
      18. Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills
      17. Anthony Lynn, Los Angeles Chargers
      16. Doug Pederson, Philadelphia Eagles
      15. Jay Gruden, Washington
      14. Ben McAdoo, New York Giants
      13. Bill Belichick, New England Patriots
      12. Mike Zimmer, Minnesota Vikings
      11. Dan Quinn, Atlanta Falcons
      10. Pete Carroll, Seattle Seahawks
      9. John Fox, Chicago Bears
      8. Jack Del Rio, Oakland Raiders
      7. Mike Mularkey, Tennessee Titans
      6. Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints
      5. Doug Marrone, Jacksonville Jaguars
      4. Bill O’Brien, Houston Texans
      3. Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers
      2. John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens
      1. Kyle Shanahan, San Francisco 49ers
      ———–
      GRAND to see Coach Gase at #31! Gee… I wonder where Kyle Shanahan gets it from… LOL

  19. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    July 20, 2017 at 3:12 pm
    https://i1.wp.com/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/08/22/310170FA00000578-0-image-a-86_1454970121071.jpg?zoom=2
    ————-
    OJ should have played for the (white) Broncos, not the Bills. Just sayin’…

    • stangerx says:

      OJ was the best RB I ever watched all things considered, but then am not old enough to have seen Brown other than in clips…..but man how the guys back in the day talk about him.

  20. mf13ss says:

    Brian in NY says:
    July 20, 2017 at 3:20 pm
    It just sucks he’ll most likely go to a crappy team- as long as it’s not the Jets I’m okay with that though!
    ———-
    I HEAR that. But I think the stej have SO many problems that they cannot afford to take Saquon in the early 1st… or at least I hope! I mean, they need a QB, a WR, a TE, a LT, a LG, a C, a RG, a RT, a… well, ya get my hope! 😉

  21. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, I would say 9 is about right. But I don’t really get into that sort of thing.

    • stangerx says:

      But 9 ain’t a bad number given the schedule…..and my number last year was 8. Even if I was wrong by two wins on that (even if came back into the stands after the missed Browns field goal)…….lots of hope for this team’s future. And my number is adjusted two wins more than last year.

  22. mf13ss says:

    2016 Slot vs. Wide: RBs and TEs
    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/2016-slot-vs-wide-rbs-and-tes
    ————
    Some VERY interesting numbers from last season. I can absolutely see why Ajayi is working on his hands (POSITIONAL VERSATILITY to flex out to the slot or wideout) and why we allowed Dion Sims (NO POSITIONAL VERSATILITY) to walk in favor of signing Julius Thomas.

    We’re beginning to realize Coach Gase’s vision.

  23. mf13ss says:

    stangerx says:
    July 20, 2017 at 3:30 pm
    OJ was the best RB I ever watched all things considered, but then am not old enough to have seen Brown other than in clips…..but man how the guys back in the day talk about him.
    ———–
    Right! Jim Brown playing for the Browns, and the driver of the white Bronco (matches their logo) playing for the Broncos! 😀

    • stangerx says:

      Would have quipped on the Bronco thing…..except for how low speed the chase was. Even if it stopped the whole bar to watch, man that was painful. Guessing you were too young then though….including that it was AC driving.

      • mf13ss says:

        Nope, I wasn’t too young then… I remember it like it was yesterday, actually. I was about to begin my freshman year at PSU when it happened.

        I agree that it was painful to watch, being I had all but ‘idolized’ OJ as both a football player, a color commentator, and his celebrity endorsements (not mention “The Naked Gun” movies).

        23 years later, his white Bronco chase is STILL an epic moment in American history (rightfully or wrongfully)… and I witnessed the whole thing, just like most of us here.

        Allow me to rephrase the premise: which is more iconic? OJ’s white Bronco, or the white Bronco on Denver’s helmets? 😉

  24. Mike E. says:

    The majority of running I saw of OJ was running through the airport, and also on the highway in the white Bronco. I have seen clips of him tearing up the NFL though.

  25. mf13ss says:

    Armando Salguero‏Verified account @ArmandoSalguero 12s12 seconds ago
    More
    Dolphins placing rookies OT Eric Smith and RB De’Veon Smith on PUP.

  26. Mike E. says:

    LOL Doggy – Possibly a double concussion, both reaching for the soap at the same time

  27. stangerx says:

    Marco Rubio to Woody Johnson at his UK Ambassador.confirmation hearing.

    ““Because of my lifelong being a fan of the Miami Dolphins, support for your nomination due to your relationship with the New York Jets is painfully difficult. But I’m willing to do it for the good of the country.

    I will, however, say that I think you and I agree that the country would be well served if a certain Thomas Brady of Massachusetts were nominated ambassador of Brazil. Perhaps that could be arranged before September of this year.”

  28. mf13ss says:

    Joe Schad‏Verified account @schadjoe 3m3 minutes ago
    More
    Jarvis Landry cites leadership, his ability to make others better, stats, return value as reasons for big contract (via First Take)

  29. mf13ss says:

    Joe Schad‏Verified account @schadjoe 1m1 minute ago
    More
    Jarvis Landry says players trust Adam Gase and rally behind him (via First Take)

    • stangerx says:

      I like Landry and how he has handled this…including stomping down speculation of a holdout right out. He’s also smart enough to know his key inside for a bigger contract is Gase. Not like he hasn’t caught onto reward the good guys in the locker room moves.

    • steveccnv says:

      Now if he can just control his emotions on the field after scoring…wait 15 fn seconds, go to the bench, and do whatever you have to.

  30. mf13ss says:

    Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 1m1 minute ago
    More
    .@NFL notified #Bengals CB Adam Jones he will be suspended without pay for the first game for violating the league’s Personal Conduct Policy
    ———-
    Still chasing ghosts (monsters), I see… *rimshot*

  31. Mike E. says:

    Tim

    TD celebrations, yes. After a first down or a big play that doesn’t result in a TD, NO.

  32. steveccnv says:

    I love Landry’s play on the field, but he’s the biggest jackass in the league after he scores or makes a big play.

  33. Tim Knight says:

    I had no problem with Landry hugging the goal post. It wasn’t an ongoing thing, it was in the heat of the moment. Yet the league didn’t like it. I was like come on!

  34. jetsssuck says:

    what’s wrong with u guys? all this talk about rehashing stuff said between you guys 10-15 times this off season. You guys know twitter is exploding with the big brother fight last night.

  35. stangerx says:

    Wouldn’t the world be better if we had more football moments like this?

  36. mf13ss says:

    James Walker‏Verified account @JamesWalkerNFL 2m2 minutes ago
    More
    VIDEO: @MiamiDolphins WR @God_Son80 is hopeful he will get a new contract.
    http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20123368

  37. mf13ss says:

    Pro Football Focus‏Verified account @PFF 1m1 minute ago
    More
    The most zone-heavy defenses in the NFL last year

    Find out more about all the different coverages played here:

    http://pffoc.us/2uiurpO

    • Tim Knight says:

      Good stuff!

    • steveccnv says:

      We used zone a lot last year, because of injuries. This is why i hate stats, people will take what they see and assume something based on a stat.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Well as the article pointed out all teams played a lot of zone. That’s due to all the spread teams use. You can get trapped playing man on crosses and those screen/picks with multiple WR sets.

      • mf13ss says:

        You can hate said stats all ya want, but these stats don’t lie (even coming from PFF) being it’s NOT based on performance.

        And to be honest with ya, Steve, both Vance Joseph and Kevin Coyle brought their zone-coverage schemes from Cincy… and it’s NOT a bad thing! Zone-coverage gives our DBs a better look at the QB’s eyes, yielding a better chance of INTs.

        This stat is NOT a bad thing whatsoever, IMO. I think it’s BALLHAWK(!!!) friendly, actually.

      • steveccnv says:

        I never said it was a bad thing. What I’m saying is people interpret them however they want to fit their POV.

  38. Tim Knight says:

    M13, agreed on PFF non-performance based stats are fine. They just count up the coverages. It’s simply data.

  39. Tim Knight says:

    There seems to be some buzz that Landry will be getting a new deal soon. It will probably be richer than what we all say it should be but that’s usually the case. LOL

    • dbolt48 says:

      And 3yrs down the road it looks like a steal.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yep, it always goes up. I’m getting less and less concerned about what guys sign for. It’s out of our control like most of it is and we haven’t been screwing up the cap so why bother. 😉

        What do you think it will be? I’ll say 5 years $62M. The reason why is Landry is still young (24), self-motivated, still has upside to improve his game and he does energize the team. And yes he can handle returns and even run the ball at times. He is a unique player.

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        I don’t see Landry as an ascending player, and i am a big fan of his.

        Isn’t Landry at his ceiling? how can he have more targets, more catches, and still let this offense spread the ball around to keep the defenses off balance? With the arrival of Julius, won’t Landry’s turns diminish?

  40. naplesfan2010 says:

    Landry has the most catches in history over the first 3 seasons. How can he do more than that?
    Sure he could score more TDs, but he’s not gonna get any faster and his game is not suited to the Red Zone or the long bomb, so where are the TDs coming from?

  41. dbolt48 says:

    Tim
    I’ll say 5 for 70. I think they’ll load year 2 of the contract.

  42. naplesfan2010 says:

    But we don’t need more Landry anyway.
    We need more Devante Parker, and we need way more TE catches and TDs. If Landry and Stills do about 80% of what they did last yr and Devante and the TEs do about 75% more than last year, then we will score a TD more per game and that should be enough to get into the playoffs.

  43. naplesfan2010 says:

    Is Landry worth $12M per year? Or you are saying it will take that to keep him in Miami?
    That’s a lot of money for 4-6 TDs. Couldn’t Caroo get 4 with maybe Grant or Isiah helping with 1 or 2 for a lot less money?

  44. naplesfan2010 says:

    One variable is if they feel that the chemistry between Landry and Tannehill is irreplaceable. Those one-handed grabs, those scramble drill catches, those first downs he got just by fighting through the first tackler…those are worth as much as a TD, so maybe the FO will look at it that way.

  45. steveccnv says:

    Here’s something to think about with RT. Carr and Luck seem to be unstoppable in the 4th qtr, and have been paid accordingly, but neither is really very good on average the other 3 qtrs. If RT has really had the game slow down for him, he’ll be better than both. It’s what I’m expecting.

  46. steveccnv says:

    Landry can improve in a lot of ways, # of catches is just a stat. If he cuts down on the PFs that’s like gaining an extra 30 yards a game😃

    • steveccnv says:

      Seriously though it isn’t about the numbers, it’s about getting it done when it matters. I really don’t care who does what, and we’re probably better off with Landry, Stills, Parker, and Thomas all catching 70 passes for 950 yards a piece, with 5 or 6 tds.

      • naplesfan2010 says:

        yes on your reply, because there is no defense that can cover that AND stop Ajayi with Tannehill running for a first down sometimes too.

      • steveccnv says:

        To win the division you have to beat the cheats. To beat the cheats you have to share the wealth, because they’ll take away your true #1.

  47. steveccnv says:

    Landry will get $14M per year over 5 or 6 years with $40M guaranteed.

  48. naplesfan2010 says:

    And since Rockphin did such a great job with this post, here’s another.
    It’s not as well done as Rock’s, but it’s about Tannehill also.
    These 2 articles show why I agree that Tannehill is elite.
    http://www.thirdand10.com/tannehill-era/

    • steveccnv says:

      He’s got a ways to go, but like losing weight the slow way can be better than the fast.

    • steveccnv says:

      I’ve always expected him to be elite, he’s smart and has all the physical traits to be. After reading this article it puts all the roadblocks out there as to why he’s been slower than others to become elite. He’ll get there, soon I expect.

    • steveccnv says:

      I agree that the throw to Stills in the SD game was the throw of the year. 57 yards in the air, under tight coverage, and a pass rusher in his face, a flick of the wrist and a perfect in stride pass.

  49. steveccnv says:

    Landry working with OBJ to release better from press coverage. There’s a way he can improve.

  50. steveccnv says:

    There’s something brewing in the air, I can feel it, from the players to the coaches, to some fans. Then you get the Omars and the Walkers who stunt the expectations nationally. I agree if we play like last year the record will be much worse, but we aren’t last year’s team.

  51. steveccnv says:

    This was always a 2 year plan under Gase, there were too many things to fix last year.

  52. Tim Knight says:

    Naples, why at 24 years old would you think Landry can’t improve on game? Better recognition, sharper routes and more yards per pop? I can see it.

  53. Rockphin says:

    naplesfan2010 says:
    July 21, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    I don’t see Landry as an ascending player, and i am a big fan of his.

    Isn’t Landry at his ceiling? how can he have more targets, more catches, and still let this offense spread the ball around to keep the defenses off balance? With the arrival of Julius, won’t Landry’s turns diminish?

    Naples, Landry has been a “great player” in some ways the last three years, but he definitely has room for improvement. He admits to that and works to get better at his weaknesses. He isn’t at his ceiling and is still young and very talented. His targets might go down, but if his TD’s or first downs in critical situations go up or even stay on par for the next few years he will be a record breaking wr. He already holds the record for receptions in his first three years with is his bro from college.

    I think if he improves his game awareness and route running and avoids injury he will go down in the books as one of the best. I hope we lock this homegrown player up for his next two contracts. (which is to say I hope he deserves to be locked up with the team)

    He’s one of my favorite current era Dolphins.

    • Rockphin says:

      steveccnv says:
      July 21, 2017 at 7:36 pm

      Have the most catches his first 4 years😉
      Reply

      I like Steve’s response better. Can I change my answer?

      • steveccnv says:

        How about being unstoppable? If we have a player that’s unstoppable we’ll move the ball down the field like the cheats do.

  54. Rockphin says:

    Man, I need that guys number to discuss Koolaid recipes!

  55. Rockphin says:

    That pass he calls the best pass in the NFL last season was pretty nice. It traveled 56 yards in the air.

  56. Rockphin says:

    I don’t drink any more either…..I don’t drink any less, but…

  57. naplesfan2010 says:

    I agree about the feeling that something is happening here.
    And yes we are NOT last year’s team.

    • steveccnv says:

      Last year all we heard was how everyone that touched paths with Gase had nothing but compliments to say. This year its the players talking. I pity the poor fool…

  58. steveccnv says:

    Nothing like sitting out by the pool, drinking a cold one, the wind is blowing, and a cool 110 degrees.

    • herdfan says:

      You had me going there until the 110. lol I’m enjoying a cocktail at my new place out on the deck. I can’t put into words how awesome it is.

      Not sure if any of you remember me posting a picture of the white deer I saw a couple of times last winter…it was right at the end of the season. So anyway, the other morning I’m up making myself a cup of coffee and look out my kitchen window and there it is! Literally about 4 feet away from my window. By the time I could go grab my phone they had moved around to the side of my house and I did get a few pics then. It has to be the same one. Glad she survived. I’m taking it as a good sign for this place.

      • steveccnv says:

        And what’s wrong with 110? My mom was here last month and we were tying the 116 record.

      • steveccnv says:

        I’m heading back outside and the dog is looking at me thinking, please don’t make me go out there.

  59. naplesfan2010 says:

    How are we not better than last year? No one has aged out of competency.
    McMillan is better than Paysinger.
    Julius is better than Dion.
    Timmons is better than Butler.
    Harris is better than Mario (Mario 2016)
    Hayes is better than Jason Jones.
    Tankersley is better than not having a back-up for Maxwell.
    Reshad is back.
    Fasano is better than a non-existent Cameron.
    Allen / TJ is better than Quddus/Rambo.
    Tunsil at LT is better than Tunsil at LG.
    Gase yr 2 is better than Gase the rookie HC.
    ditto Grier @ GM.
    Everybody else stayed the same and enter yr 2 in the same system.

    • steveccnv says:

      That’s mostly the thought, but that’s why they play the game.

    • steveccnv says:

      When I was in high school playing JV, they moved us up to varsity the last 4 weeks, and while practicing that first week against our all city guard I knocked him on his ass, dude was like Asiata, the next few plays he tried to pancake me, but couldn’t, so it isn’t always the best player that gets it done.

  60. naplesfan2010 says:

    btw … OJ … maybe don’t come here, ok?
    Lightning capital of the US is about 10 miles from my home, out towards the Everglades.*
    96 Thunderstorms a year here.
    That’s about one fourth of the year,
    but it never rains in winter, so in summer it’s nearly every day.
    *according to NASA data.

  61. Mike E. says:

    Naples

    Good points on last year vs this year

    • stangerx says:

      And those were where we are better. Part of why I think we are a better team is the flip side of that. So long as Pouncey is healthy — but heck he only played five games anyhow — only place we are not as strong is at LG.

  62. stangerx says:

    Gotta love this stat “Ajayi ranked second in the league in yards-after-contact per game last year (32.3), behind only Le’Veon Bell (41.4).” And Bell’s game is so different that he almost doesn’t count. Behind Ajayi were Ezekiel Elliott (30.9) and David Johnson (30.4)…..and that is a distant 3rd and 4th.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Bell is an amazingly patient runner. He’s fun to watch.

      • steveccnv says:

        But he can’t do shit against the cheats.

      • stangerx says:

        TIm — I’d so far as to say he has almost invented a new running style. We’ve seen the same thing happen before when a guy chooses this way or that way as a play develops, but don’t think it was ever game-planned that way before.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I don’t think you can teach that running style, it’s instinctual.

  63. steveccnv says:

    Stangerson I just read the same article. That guy is all over the place.

  64. jetsssuck says:

    steveccnv they still have legalized prostitution in Nevada?When I was in Navy I visited the Mustang ranch several times before deployments.

  65. Tim Knight says:

    Those gif clips that Naples posted of Tannehill show how talented and dynamic he is. It’s about consistency. There is nothing he can’t do. In fact he can do more than most QBs in the league.

    • BailBondMike says:

      I agree

      • Tim Knight says:

        Notice how many big time throws he made under extreme pressure with either escaping the compromised pocket or getting drilled just as he released it. Count the time, he’s not holding onto the ball too long and still getting drilled as he releases the ball. His strong arm is a weapon. Oh yeah he can be deadly accurate too. 🙂

  66. jetsssuck says:

    I bet 100 bucks doesn’t even get you a look now a day’s

    • steveccnv says:

      Did they have a menu😁

      • jetsssuck says:

        no they didn’t have a menu. The mustang ranch had a liquer bar with pool tables. The girls would come out and you picked which one you wanted to spend all your money on. I was always broke after leaving Fallon but I had a great time always…Thank goodness we didn’t have access to Credit cards like now a days.

  67. jetsssuck says:

    well guys my nap time was interrupted today when I woke up thinking I was a muffler….I’m exhausted so I’m calling it a day. Talk with u guys tomorrow.

  68. stangerx says:

    Some of you guys ain’t like some of the points in this article about putting Landry to a new deal, but can’t say they aren’t arguable at least.

    “Parker offers the team a true No. 1…..With limited resources and Stills’ contract, the Dolphins may think it is for the best to keep Parker and Stills and let Landry walk.”

    “When looking at the numbers, Landry is comparable to Brian Hartline [whose] best season ended with 1,083 yards and four touchdowns on 74 receptions, while Landry’s best season resulted in 1,136 yards and four touchdowns on 94 receptions.”

    “The clock is ticking on a long-term deal between the Dolphins and Landry. If the season rolls around and there hasn’t been a conversation about a contract, 2017 will likely be Landry’s last year in Miami.”

    Yeah I left out the parts on what Landry does to bring to the table, in full at:

    http://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2017/07/23/breaking-down-the-dolphins-contract-negotations-with-jarvis-landry/

    • Tim Knight says:

      “Landry is comparable to Brian Hartline”

      That is a horrible comparison. Does the person who wrote this even watch the game? LOL

      • stangerx says:

        Don’t hit on the guy since he put out “looking at the numbers” right before that and admits different players. Read the whole article…..can’t say he is wrong that the Phins might decide that even if not as good in the same role that the Phins might be better off getting lesser for a whole lot cheaper, but then am hoping Landry sticks too.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Then why say it? LOL

        I’m guessing we’re going to lock up Landry for his prime – meaning next 5 years.

      • stangerx says:

        I’m guessing we keep Landry too…..but then thought we would not be keeping Stills. So what the heck do I know? Main Q for me is if we would franchise Landry (he seems to assume not)…..but am actually with this author on that. Will be interesting to see what happens.

  69. stangerx says:

    jetsssuck says:
    July 22, 2017 at 4:56 pm
    yep.we went there for pilot training and then we would deploy. Good times,,,,
    ———————
    Really cool and didn’t know. What kind of planes did you fly?

    • jetsssuck says:

      I didn’t fly LOL although I was a plane caption my 1st year in navy. Pilots trained in the desert mountains. Secret planes train in that area also. It’s a testing and training base. I mostly trained on Jefferson star ship and Moody blues during that era.They warned us to drink lots of water because of the heat there. Not the same heat as Florida. It was 115 degrees and I was playing tennis and didn’t feel any different. They used to have slot machines inside gas stations and everywhere you can imagine.In the small town they had casino’s that pick us up to drive us to their casinos.

      • stangerx says:

        Guess didn’t understand what you meant being there for flight training. So you were helping train the pilots? Was never in the service, but was always thinking Air Force would at least be the safest way to go if it came to a choice.

      • jetsssuck says:

        plane captains were responsible for everything about the plane. Maintenance records, PM’s, etc, etc they didn’t fly without your approval and if anything bad happened you were the first person they talked to.

      • stangerx says:

        That’s really cool. Did you stay in to the 20 or sell your skills to United Airlines before then…..am guessing based on what you did you lived Officer and a Gentleman.

      • jetsssuck says:

        John McCain was my first CO and I have always modeled myself after what he would do in many circumstances. I got out after 5 yrs and then completed my college at UF. I already had 27-30 credits for military training I received plus I obtained 30 something credits by taking classes while on duty. So it was very simple and easy once I attended UF in person. I didn’t take a full load ever, since I wanted to experience college life. It took me 3 yrs to complete almost 2 yrs of credits for my bachelors but I enjoyed myself.

      • stangerx says:

        That’s awesome…..what did you do after the the college degree (and heck yeah college is a good time). Would to hear more about McCain back in the day too. Any good stories? So much respect for the man. Never met him, but talk about from reports a guy would like to sit down for a beer with.

      • jetsssuck says:

        McCain is the type of person when you meet him you are impressed and what to know him but he quickly will be asking questions about you.He isn’t the type of person who likes to talk about himself. I only met him once or twice in squadron, but I heard hundreds of stories about him and all are good..In today’s political climate it hurts me when people tell lies to advance a political point and people who don’t know the facts are doing this now a days. I have talked with former vets at VFW and they have called him America’s son. Both his father and Grandfather were admirals in the Navy. He retired from Navy as a captain and didn’t pursue being a admiral because he thought he could do more good as a senator. He is the establishment when they talk about Washington. He made sure Trump would have his hands tied if he tried to ease the sanctions. He got the bipartisan agreements of both houses for the tough Russian sanctions that Trump can’t overturn.

      • steveccnv says:

        McCain is the epitome of what’s wrong with politics in this country. He’s the leader of the swamp from the rep. side, along with Paul Ryan. He may have been a great navy…but he’s not good for our country, corruption at its finest.

      • stangerx says:

        Never knew him back in the day, but have heard lots of stories about what he was like on the Hill even if never met him. Actually met a person who worked for him at a party last night (ever been to a low country boil thing?). Odd coincidence, she was way junior at the time (thinking she might have been an intern bragging she was an actual staffer), but she could not have had more respect for him. So even if she met him later in life she could not have agreed more.

        What you do after UF? You told me a bit when we met…..but obviously didn’t get all the steps along the way from that talk.

  70. Tim Knight says:

    Stanger, fucking over Landry would send a horrible message throughout the org.

    I find myself playing GM and salary cap dude as well. I’m backing off. I thought 5 years $50M in the past. I think it will be richer than that for reasons I stated earlier on this page.

    • stangerx says:

      Like said…..think we keep Landry too, but franchise on WRs this year was $15 mil plus. Just don’t think Landry is tag worthy much as I like him. And main reason I think we keep him is cause Landry and Gase have said they think the deal will get done. And even if don’t trust Landry’s agent….huge incentive for him to get the contract now with his low salary. He’s like Reshad before his 2nd contract.

      • Tim Knight says:

        It’s gonna happen and I won’t be surprised if it’s before TC starts for the vets.

      • stangerx says:

        I think it will happen too unless the agent’s eyes get too big. And even some top G comes up they can sign and/or trade for…..they can always create more room by restructuring Suh or Tanny.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Suh and Tannehill don’t effect a Landry deal. We’re in good shape with the cap.We do have some top end guys but then mixed with some short-term and a lot of young draftee deals. So far so good how it’s been managed.

      • stangerx says:

        Just disagree with “Suh and Tannehill don’t effect a Landry deal.” or maybe we are just saying the same as to why the cap number does not even if they do a big move given that those re-dos are like low hanging apples. But you know me….always looking at the leverage points. Part of what I did for a living in the old days.

      • steveccnv says:

        Not cap worthy? If he’s worth 10 or 12M, then he’s cap worthy. If we resign him now, there will still be plenty to sign a guard.

  71. steveccnv says:

    Stanger, I agree with Tim, on the article about why Landry hasn’t signed yet. He hasn’t signed, because hes asking for more than his position says he’s worth. We know this, because he stated the reasons why he’s worth more.

    • steveccnv says:

      Continuing with crap from the article…we could’ve reupped Stills the year before. WTF, yeah, but if you reularly pay before a guy breaks out, then you’ll have lots of guys that never do. GMAFB, frontload Landry…the guy doesn’t know how the cap works.

      • steveccnv says:

        Really, the guys we signed this year are mostly guaranteed, this isn’t the NBA. The #s show Hartline…this means nothing, agreed about why bring it up. If no contract by season start, it will likely be his last in Miami, again WTF, it could be his last, but not likely his last.

      • steveccnv says:

        In conclusion, and I’m not shooting the messenger, this guy is a hack. Thanks for posting the article Stanger.

  72. steveccnv says:

    Stanger you seem to have the same idea about how the cap works as the guy in your article. It doesnt matter in the long term, if you pay Landry $16M this year towards the cap or defer it, you still have the same money to pay it, because if you wait, you just roll over the money.

    • steveccnv says:

      That probably wasn’t descriptive enough to make my point and I can’t get long comments on my phone, so here goes…The point was we have roughly $17M in cap space, so front loading a new Landry contract is irrelevant, and not how our FO does business, they defer it. Instead of front loading it they’ll charge a small amount to this years cap, say $3M, then roll over what’s remaining on this year’s cap, keeping room to sign someone else if need be.

      As you can see by doing it this way, you make it more flexible, but still have the additional $13M (not paid in year 1) available to be used in the future, making next years cap (assuming its the same as this year) $167M + $13M+ = $181M (I say $13M+, because Landry is already counting against this year’s cap, resigning him would cost this year’s cap figure minus what he’s already counting against the cap), instead of just $167M.

    • stangerx says:

      He wasn’t talking about this year though but the future with three high-priced wide receivers. Guess that depends on is Parker hits……but do agree this year or next does not matter much. Was just saying he ain’t worth the tag amount, least in the long-term.

      • steveccnv says:

        He said front load Landry this year will allow us to keep all 3 on 2nd contracts. That means he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

      • stangerx says:

        Doesn’t really matter to me exactly when the money comes out to me. And that includes giving Landry his money up front in a big old check so long as the contract looks good.

  73. pheloniusphish says:

    Parker hasn’t proven to be a true number one yet. As fans we tend to think in last year’s salary cap and everything seems expensive. Remember a couple of years ago when people were lamenting Tannehill’s contract, how it was going to crush our cap? Today he’s a bargain QB.

    I think Landry gets $14M-$15M a year, 4 or 5 years, half of it guaranteed. And he’s worth it. Parker will remain a bargain for two more years.

  74. mf13ss says:

    Are we still talking about whether we’ll re-sign Jarvis Landry?!! 😱

  75. mf13ss says:

    Prediction: Jarvis gets re-signed within the next few weeks, don’t care about the $$$. If that doesn’t happen, Jarvis gets re-signed in the 2018 offseason, don’t care about the $$$. If that doesn’t happen, Jarvis gets the franchise tag for the 2018 season. And if that DOES happen, Jarvis gets re-signed in the 2019 offseason, don’t care about the $$$.

    Message: don’t worry about it, Jarvis isn’t going anywhere.

  76. steveccnv says:

    Can Ajayi handle the full load for an entire season? Who writes this shit? Oh it’s Chris Perkins. He should create an alias Noshit Sherlock.

  77. jetsssuck says:

    steveccnv says:
    July 23, 2017 at 6:13 pm
    McCain is the epitome of what’s wrong with politics in this country. He’s the leader of the swamp from the rep. side, along with Paul Ryan. He may have been a great navy…but he’s not good for our country, corruption at its finest.
    ——————————————————————————–
    I’m sorry you feel this way. I too am frustrated with the government at times but McCain is someone I think you would like if you do some research on him. He doesn’t vote straight republican issues and that’s good that he gives consideration to both sides of a bill. There are plenty of articles that are bad about him and they are from people who are trying to politicalize a issue by discrediting him. Today’s political environment is harder for us citizens because we have to research what’s real and what’s not real along with both sides of a bill. That’s a lot. Someone recently told me America’s worse enemy is a uneducated voter.
    Here’s a interesting fact for everyone concerning McCain—-His son has a bi-racial marriage and is in the US Navy.

    • steveccnv says:

      Not sure what his son has to do with anything. It’s like saying I go to church therefore I’m a good person. McCain most likely is a great person, but he’s a horrible politician.

    • steveccnv says:

      The uneducated voter issue is real, and we know from Wikileaks that, that is exactly what the dems are counting on. The quote was we want to keep the people uninformed and compliant. If that isn’t fascism I don’t know what is. You seem to have a bias based on meeting him.

      • jetsssuck says:

        I was in his one only squadron and No I Don’t have a bias towards’t him- I always look at all sides of a issue and go with what I think would help the over-all greater good of people. I don’t always agree with him but I respect his truthfullness and honesty. When he left the military for Washington he was nicknamed Hellrazor because he didn’t always go with the republicans issues. You know his only command call name was HELLRAZORS. He’s a straight shooter that won’t distort the truth. Read up on him and I think you would appreciate how great of a person and politician he is. To get the latest bill for sanctions against Russia took some heavy lifting from both sides of the isle, Several of his co-workers working for him ended up in the hospital from exhaustion and they were 1/2 his age. This guy bleeds red,white, and blue.

      • steveccnv says:

        Sorry, but he’s not what he seems. I don’t have to read up on him, I know what he stands for, to preserve the swamp, that’s why he seems like he’s party neutral. The proof is when Trump got hot miked, he and Ryan jumped ship. When he was running the dems put out the fake stories on him and he crumbled.

      • jetsssuck says:

        I guess then we have to agree then that we have totally separate views of him.

      • stangerx says:

        steve — I really like McCain for calling it like he sees it (respect when people go against party lines based on conviction), but even if this a Dolphins board would be curious who your favorite Senator is. And did you vote for Heller?

      • steveccnv says:

        I did vote for Heller and have met him, typical politician though. He used to be my wife’s boss. Trey Gowdy would be my favorite congressman, don’t really have a favorite senator they’re mostly in the tank.

      • stangerx says:

        That’s awesome that your wife worked for him, but since he is like McCain far as can tell no wonder why you are not a fan. Is your wife in politics? Would love to hear what she thought of him as a boss.

  78. stangerx says:

    Man the writers are like a herd always following whatever the current story is (even when nothing is happening)…..but least Perkins is a whole lot better than O or Walker.

    “Parker has flashed such dynamic traits numerous times in practices and games. But he hasn’t been consistent. To that end, Parker’s performance this season could be an ‘X’ factor in another way — it could influence the way the Dolphins approach Landry, who is entering the final year of his contract and desires an extension.”

    Good read in full — http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-countdown-20170723-story.html

  79. steveccnv says:

    The thing with Landry is he allows you to throw safe short passes that he can turn into something more. Exactly what Brady does and why his int numbers are always so low. Damien is another one of those guys, and I expect Drake will be too.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Agreed. You can add Thomas to that group as well. Those guys along with Ajayi will be part of the ball control offense and then take their shots down the field with Stills and Parker.

      • stangerx says:

        Right with you on Thomas. And given that he can sit in the middle or go deep — gonna create match-up Qs. Not like you can put an LB on him.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yep, we’ll sneak Thomas out deep at times too.

      • steveccnv says:

        Throwing the short stuff is only affective if there’s a threat of the deep ball, not only do we have 3 guys that can do that, we have guys that have done it

  80. naplesfan2010 says:

    All this confident talk is making me even more impatient for the season to start.
    We might be GOOD!

    • steveccnv says:

      Go look for the story about if these 5 things happen we’ll be playing in the SB, although #5 was Brady out for year injured, the others we achievable.

    • stangerx says:

      You and me both on impatient. Should be a good season to watch… but heck so was the last one. Something brewing in Davie.

  81. 81Howie says:

    must be close to Football season. I just turned on my PC for the 1st time since May 15th
    GO PHINS 🙂

  82. Tim Knight says:

    Steve, the talent is in place at the skill positions on offense and we have some good talent on the OL. Durability is the key for me. If the overall team stays relatively healthy as all teams suffer injuries and usually a couple of bad ones, we can be a very good team. But we can’t keep going to 2nd and 3rd team throughout the lineups. No team can do that consistently. We made the playoffs doing that last year which is a good sign for us heading into 2017. We’re a better and deep roster heading into this season than last season. 🙂

    • steveccnv says:

      I’d say complete as much as you can be today, meaning on any given Sunday the O or the D can take over the game.

  83. Rockphin says:

    I think Gase is smart for not practicing the rookies until next week when the Vets report to camp. He has a lot of coaches to players ratio right now and are focusing on learning the playbook and learning how they are going to practice, etc and what will be expected of them.

  84. Rockphin says:

    Can anyone explain to me why the Cowboys have training camp in California?

    • jetsssuck says:

      probably a money thing. They are for squeezing more out of every last penny. They add up to nickel and dimes and quarters.

  85. Mike E. says:

    Unlucky Whitehead

    • Mike E. says:

      McMillan is going to get an early start to his career. Hewitt is also a possibility, but my guess is if Raekwon shows enough aptitude, he’ll be the guy, and hopefully, he never looks back.

  86. mf13ss says:

    Joe Schad‏Verified account @schadjoe 24s25 seconds ago
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    Rashawn Scott to PUP for Miami Dolphins. Koa Misi and Mike Pouncey on hold per coach Adam Gase.

  87. mf13ss says:

    Armando Salguero‏Verified account @ArmandoSalguero 11s11 seconds ago
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    Adam Gase says Mike Pouncey wants to “go through that process” of working during camp to get ready for the season.

  88. mf13ss says:

    Joe Schad‏Verified account @schadjoe 41s42 seconds ago
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    On Koa Misi, Adam Gase needs more information later today

  89. mf13ss says:

    Armando Salguero‏Verified account @ArmandoSalguero 26s26 seconds ago
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    Adam Gase promises to manage Jay Ajayi carries/usage well. “I know that seems to be a big concern,” he says.

  90. mf13ss says:

    Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 2h2 hours ago
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    #Dolphins are working out veteran CBs today, including ex-#Bucs star Alterraun Verner & Tony Carter, notably from the #Broncos, sources say

  91. mf13ss says:

    Joe Schad‏Verified account @schadjoe 30s30 seconds ago
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    Does Adam Gase feel the need to speak with Jarvis Landry as camp starts w/o a contract extension? #miamidolphins http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2017/07/25/adam-gase-i-dont-have-to-tell-jarvis-landry-anything-about-camp-contract/

  92. pheloniusphish says:

    It’s almost here kids. Making my schedule for the season, bought a new jersey, gave away some camp and pre-season tickets tickets.

  93. mf13ss says:

    Barry Jackson‏Verified account @flasportsbuzz 18s18 seconds ago
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    Dolphins sign CB Verner and place Misi on IR, per league source

    • stangerx says:

      Verner made the Pro Bowl in 2013 “after racking up 57 tackles, five interceptions and 22 passes defensed” and then signed a big contract in 2014, but he never played like that again…which explains whey the Bucs were willing to let him go instead of play him $6 mil plus.

      He’s only 28 though. Be interesting to see the details of the contract. Given what we have in place, be interesting to see what he is getting.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He’s got some impressive stats. Let the competition begin!

  94. mf13ss says:

    Barry Jackson‏Verified account @flasportsbuzz 1m1 minute ago
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    Misi (out for year) failed to pass medical test necessary for him to play. Agent Kenny Zuckerman: “We’re all disappointed. It’s unexpected.”

    • mf13ss says:

      Barry Jackson‏Verified account @flasportsbuzz 17s18 seconds ago
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      … Natural to wonder now if Fins should have met Zach Brown’s asking price or pursued David Harris. Much rides now on Raekwon McMillan.

  95. mf13ss says:

    Adam Beasley‏Verified account @AdamHBeasley 46s46 seconds ago
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    By placing Misi on Injured Reserve at this point in the calendar, he is ineligible to return this year, even if he gets healthy, I’m told.

  96. mf13ss says:

    Joe Schad‏Verified account @schadjoe 35s35 seconds ago
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    Turns out Koa Misi is not eligible to return at all from IR this year. Primary focus of course is his long-term health. #miamidolphins

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