Forget the matchups, forget who’s playing where, forget how many PPG we have or they have, forget about all of that. I’m not wasting my time researching that crap when this team does one thing consistently, underdeliver. NO ONE on this team is living up to the back of his football card (You can all debate that if you like) What this team needs to do, and I don’t care how Gase has to get them to do it, is come out, and smack some team in the mouth. As soon as they get on the field, impose their will, and show that team this is not going to be their day. Not once this season has this team beat up on anyone. We haven’t enjoyed one victory where it was a clear cut win where we were firing on all cylinders. Instead we’ve had to endure at least 2-3 quarters of WTF! football almost every game.
Sunday we host a team playing as poorly as us. I know the ANY GIVEN SUNDAY deal, but it’s time for this team to show a sign of life, and kick someone’s teeth in! We have been beaten down and shut out and embarrassed and undressed and tied to motorboats and have the fishes eat at us, but ENOUGH! Time for this team to give us a game where they kick ass from start to finish, a good old fashioned ass kicking BLOWOUT!
I’m not going to post the usual slogans on the bottom, GO DOLPHINS! Zero in! I think they take that too literally, and they’re trying so hard to get zero.
Finsmob Unleashed 
I doubt that will happen, Cindarella may lose her slipper if she kicks someone in the teeth
Oink and First
second I mean
Great Job Mike. You are too fast for me to keep up with
The Flying Pig says:
November 15, 2017 at 10:06 am (Edit)
IMO you will get a real good idea of where we are when we play the Bills twice
Between the Bills, Jets and Dolphins, I don’t know who will finish 2, 3 and 4 in the division
but we may very well end up sweeping them again this year despite all the statistics anomalies out there
We’ve been REALLY bad in many games this year
but sometimes when it rains it hails
and that is usually the case in blowouts
Its still a new game every week
I’m not buying that we are similar to a team that has gone 1-24 in the last 2 years…wow…
I actually think we will beat the Bucs in this home game
They aren’t playing really well either
I fully expect us to hover around the .500 mark for a few weeks
And we are going to get a rookie when we play them twice
If he can hold the job that long
Tyrod Taylor is not their problem, but I give Buffalo credit for trying to shake things up. Ballsy move, especially considering their record. Peterman is supposed to be a smart, hard working student of the game type QB. Smart as he is, he’s a rookie, and will likely have some of those deer in the headlights moments.
I think they just want to get their rookie on the field
it makes sense in a lot of ways
but it may kill a chance to make the playoffs
that said, if I was a 1st year coach – I would make long term moves like this as well
the important thing is – we might reap the benefits this year….lol
I don’t know Piggy. Every time a team comes in with a bum for a QB we make him look like a superstar.
Thats true
Peterman is a rookie though
i don’t think he is bum level yet….lol
ahndoh30 says:
November 14, 2017 at 7:55 pm
That last TD run by Carolina was actually on Suh based on my one watch of it (and replays), he gambled and didn’t maintain gap penetration and the running back ran in the gap he left open.
I love Suh, and I forgive him for it. LOL..but that’s what I thought I saw.
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This is one of those thats hard to call because it can be seen different ways, because the defensive call could have been done differently. He might not have had gap on that call, he could have had a more man assigment where he was to drive his guy back and then shed. The best you can tell on that play is where he was lined up, and even then they can call stunts or twists that change that.
Generally in 3 tech, ie lined up on the outside of the OG’s shoulder, he has a gap assignment and he should be looking to split the defenders and penetrate into the backfield, hopefully draw a doublet-eam which would congest the gap and in th case of Suh still end up with backfield penetration.
If he was lined up in 2 tech, he would be more trying to dive his guy back into the backfield, shed and try to make a play but he doesnt have any gap assigned, there should either be a LB in gap between OC/OG and who is watching the OG/OT gap, the DE would usually have edge containment when they are lined up like this. The MLB would also have to make sure he broke off from the OC who might be releasing on him if he wasn’t doubling Suh for runs to the inside, and the OLB would need to do the same if they doubled down on Suh from the OT whick means they were going more off tackle with the run.
We also do some 4 and 5 tech with Suh, and that could put him anywhere from over the OT, or just on the outside shoulder of the OT, this means the LBs have to get their gaps right because the safety would either need to be up helping in the middle or they would need the MLB and OLB to be handling the middle together. In 4, his assignment should be draw a double from the OT and OG, drive them back, shed and make a play if possible, but he wouldnt have a gap assignment.
5 tech he would have gap penetration between OT/TE, a lot of time this lineup would also have the other DT in the 0 or 1 tech, to help in the middle since you are moving Suh out so wide. We do this sometimes in wide 9 formation, with Wake lined up significantly outside, and probably more on passing downs. LB’s both would have middle gap assignments, both the OLB and MLB which could be shifted over to accommodate.
Like i said though, thats just kinda of normal defensive stuff, because a lot of times you run twist plays out of the 4 tech, you could also stunt from 4 or 2 tech so you feign no gap assignment and then the stunt is having you take one as a way to confuse the OL blocking assignment post snap. Its a real cat and mouse game in how well you can disguise what you are doing, because the OL know all of this too, so they see how you are lined up and prep for most likely but have backup options for what if’s. They also may let Suh freelance, just because he has a pretty good idea on how to get the most out of a snap, and hell he might be reading something with the way the OL is set up, ie some sort of tell he thinks he sees. That also could have been the scenario, that he thought he saw something and guessed wrong like you said, but there is no way for us to tell, Burke, Suh, the LB’s all probably know that answer, and only them.
I think Peterman is more the style of QB they want, and i think they kept Tyrod to give him time to acclimate to the offense. Its likely the coach has a playbook that calls for a little of both kind of plays but they were limiting the play-calls with Tyrod. You also need to be careful switching out QB’s, the team has to kinda be prepped for it, so it doesn’t really just blow the chemistry apart when the other guy comes it. This all seemed to have started last year, and i think its been in the making for a while. I dont think its really a gamble, their coach doesnt seem like the gambling type, but he knows what he wants and knows what he needs and i think he just found a point at which the risk was low enough that the reward at least balances out the risk.
Peterman was a guy i mocked to us a bunch last year. I remember saying often how maybe another Pitt QB would be a good addition since we had a good bit of success with out last one. I also really likedd what i saw with him, not flashy but pretty smart consistent play. Im not worried about elite at QB, unless we really don’t have elite anywhere else. I think an offense should probably have a couple flashy guys, but the other 9 should be people you can count on to do their job and do it at least OK on every snap. You need good work ethic, dependable, and disciplined players to fill 9 of those spots and then 2 guys who elevate the play by being awesome. Its about the only way you are going to be able to afford to keep a team together anyways with salary cap. Im not overly concerned too with who the flashy guy is, could be our RB and a WR, or a TE and a QB, just someone that can take the small crease in the defense that the OL consistently opens, and expoit the shit out of it, or the couple of plays a game that that beast TE we have breaks the coverage and a QB that can consistently get it to him, etc. Defense i think you need more flash, you need those guys who stud out and make shit happen every play. Id pay to keep my top players there and id try to have as many top players on that side of the ball as i could.
Lol that was supposed to be in reply to you Mike and your post about Buffalo above
The Browns are now in Baltimore. It’s NOT the same franchise. And, I guess everyone forgets things like the Weller trade. We shouldn’t be throwing stones until this franchise gets its act together
Yeah, people forget that, the Browns today are a somewhat recent expansion team, not the longstanding team with at least a history to be prideful of. That team has been a cluster from the get go. The Ravens are the team with the real Browns history.
Spin it
Spin it
What is this about? Who’s talking about the Browns?
Phillip Rivers is OUT, so the Chargers will be starting Kellen Clemons. That probably factored in to the decision of giving Peterman the start this week.
Good stuff, Mike. That’s exactly how I feel.
Football history nuggets, ie random post not worth anything posts.
Colts left Baltimore for Indy, the Browns left Cleveland to become the Baltimore Ravens, and Cleveland added a new franchise but named them the same as their previous one.
Houston Oilers became the Tennessee Oilers then changes the name to the Titans, not to be confused with another team formerly known as the Titans (see below). Houston got a new franchise there, which is the Texans, not to be confused with another franchise formerly known as the Texans, the KC Chiefs.
St. Louis Cardinals (yes same name as the baseball team there) became the Pheonix Cardinals and then now the Arizona Cardinals, then LA Rams left to go to St. Louis, as the St. Louis Rams, who now have gone full circle back to LA.
LA Chargers actually started as the LA Chargers, before going to San Diego and full circle back to LA.
Oakland came in about the same time as them (AFL/NFL merge), and partially because the owner of the LA Chargers (a Hilton) had said they wouldnt merge if Oakland didn’t also come with them. Oakland moved to LA, and then back to Oakland and soon to LV.
Dallas had two teams, the Texans and the Cowboys, the Texans as mentioned before, did nto become the Houston Texans, they became the KC Chiefs. NY also had two teams the Giants and the Titans, the Titans as stated above did not become the Tenessee Titans they became the Jets.
One last thing of note, there are two divisions still completely true to their AFL days and those rivalries, and it explains maybe why the NFL kept them together even though it seems like, by locations, they should be in a different one from one another. Those two divisions are the AFC East and the AFC West.
cool info, dint know about the texans and titans.
You forgot about the Raiders …lol
Oakland to La to Oakland to LA over and over again
now Vegas
Well said Mike. Please give the pre-game address.
Any partial turnaround (which is about all we can really hope for now) starts with a recovery of our pride, which involves playing with more passion than the opposition. We’ve seen that from very few players this season. We need it from everyone to give us a chance. Players have to start winning more of their 1-on-1 battles. When that starts to happen, we start to have a chance. Until then it will just be the whiff of stale, smelly old fish coming from HR Stadium.
Seems you are going to culture and team. And the long-term. But heck I watch in pre-season to see which of the back-ups give the most effort when the game is out of reach.
Hello gents.
As much as I’d like to envision a great game, smack em in the mouth type of effort….I’ve had the unfortunate opportunity to watch our team this year. They are really bad.
Unless the league is awarding points for most 2 yard pass patterns and poorly executed bubble screens, we’re not going to win much.
The Browns re-joined the league in 1999 – 18 years ago
What’s the point of mentioning the move to Baltimore in terms of making a comparison from The Browns team to the Dolphins?
You are still comparing the worst franchise and worst probably over the last few years to the state of the Dolphins – which is a huge stretch
I don’t even know what this discussion is about. LOL
Go back to the last blog and look at the last few posts
Oh okay, I’ll pass. Not interested.
In other news…..the Dolphins are favored on Sunday by like 3 points.
Miracle
Who’s Weller?
If you mean Weller, that wasn’t a trade.
Lol. Welker
Lol @ your write up this week Mike E!
GO PHINS
I kind of expect into go 2-1 in the next 3 games and be 6-6 for the final 4
And then anything can happen for that final 4 games
Pats at home
Bills 2x
And cheifs on the road
We won’t go 4-0 in those games…lol
And welcome back Fist Pump. How has everything been going? Been a real long time.
I agree that it’s hard to know exactly what assignments or scheme are when evaluating defense. Bottom line is that Suh has played on a lot of teams with horrible run defenses. His teams have a DVOA that has been last or near last several times and his teams have a below average DVOA over his career. I’m not saying Suh isn’t a great player, just that whatever value he brings to a team doesn’t really translate to wins and definitely doesn’t to run defense or overall defense. Those results make it tough to justify a player using up 1/6 of your cap space.
I think we win 1-2 more games….and I can’t even say that with any confidence.
6-8 seems the logical range. We already did beat the Falcons and Titans who are in the playoff hunt.
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If true those 1-2 are probably more likely to come in the next 3 games rather than the last 4 games
its possible we go 0-7
but I don’t think so – its a weird year
we are a weird team
we have crazy wins and ridiculous losses
Stang, been good, just busy as ushe. Im extremely grateful I didnt plop down the $$ for the MNF debacle the other night. I live in Charlotte as was going to go, but coudnt at the last minute. And I agree, we’re lucky to win 1-2 more….TB and Buff at home
LOL — now was that not a good game to go to…..so you are real lucky. Charlotte is a real cool place to live. Thought about it at one time long ago along with Raleigh.
Great to have you back man. Lot of guys have from days gone past have been popping in this year. Like to think it a sign of what a great place this is to hang out.
Beers are always handed out. Food seems to be good as well. Just not much to look at tho…..no eye candy. Lol
LOL — guess this place is like IHOP if it served free beers. 🙂
Welcome back Fist Pump! Long time no see – Glad you came here to visit man!
I’d like a fresh perspective, since we all see the same opinions here regurgitated over and over. How do you feel about Adam Gase, do you think he’s the one, and do you think he can mkae us a serious contender in a year or two?
Hey Mike E, thanks man. Well, here is my assessment of Gase and the team and its not pretty.
I think Gase has lost the team. The Ajai trade was crazy. At least wait till the end of the year so you dont seem desperate and get more than a couple of Philly Cheeeeeesesteaks as compensation.
I think we’re playing for the 2019 draft. Yes…2019. I think we stumble through the rest of this year. We get all jazzed for TH17 to return, or MLB will be back, our young guys get better, etc. But, Suh will be gone, Landry likely to be gone, our O-line will still be bad, our D-line is aging, etc. We stumble out of the block and realize that TH17 is now 30 years old and slightly above average.
2018 begins and Gase is now on the hot seat if team doesnt perform. Ajai is #2 in the league in rushing yardage and all the Philly garbage that we traded for is now gone or under performing (Maxwell, Alonso). We will use the 2018 Philly 4th round pick for Ajai to draft a Tackle that we will swiftly convert to a Guard that barely beats out the guys we have there now. Gase continues to call the most creative 2 yard pass patterns the game has ever seen and its obvious we need a new franchise QB for the future. We will continue to underachieve and Gase gets canned as the inept front office realizes we were screwed by Philly as they dumped all their garbage and were able to get their franchise QB and RB while unloading crappy overpaid players.
So, in 2019 we need a new coach, QB, Oline and DTs. We hire the next hot shot college coach and start the rebuilding process…..
LMAO!!!! That’s fucking bleak bro! I got a a good laugh, because that’s all I can do, is laugh and hope you’re way off. I appreciate your viewpoint though. All I can say is Gase surprised us with a turnaround last year, so I’ll just hope that kind of thing is in store for us at some point, whether it’s this season, or next season.
I call it like I see it. All I know is that the team looks awful, cant score and cant stop anyone. Uninspired. I hope Im wrong though. I just cant take the cutting comments from my wife while she makes fun of me for still watching the games.
about team movement …
the Cardinals started in Chicago.
the Rams started in Cleveland.
Great post Mike…wish you would give that speech to the players pre-game
The Bucs game will tell us where we’re headed if we have another poor performance. The Bucs are struggling, not a very good team and we’re home. If this isn’t a pride game I don’t know what is.
Do we really need another game to tell us where this team is headed? We need 2018 to tell us where this team is headed. Preferably with a healthy Tannehill and McMillan and a couple of new OL and maybe then we can get an idea of where this team is headed. But whatever happens for the rest of this season is going to be no indication of where this team is headed
Well, if a healthy Tannehill is starting for this team next season we pretty much have an idea where it is headed.
This year still matters. I know we’re all down right now but there is a lot of football left to be played.
This team has no pride. If it had any pride it wouldn’t allow other teams to just take their manhood from them and that’s exactly what’s been happening.
Didn’t you post about this team building a winner heading into the season and now that the team has struggled you accuse the FO of having no idea what they’re doing and the team has no pride? That’s a classic flip flop of emotions yet you accuse others of being naive about the team.
I’d gladly take a cheese steak for Ajayi! Yummm.
I wonder about professional athletes period when it comes to pride. There are some who are competitors no matter what team they play for, what the score is, they just want to win. I see less and less of this type of player in all sports. I know when I play softball, I go all out all the time. I don’t know any other way. Of course football is different, because it’s a lot more physical, but I think I would be the same way if I played football. I just hate getting beat, whether it’s one play or or one game, and I don’t understand thinking any other way. I guess pro athletes, at least an awful lot of them don;t play that way, or getting their asses kicked week in and week out would drive them crazy.
Tim Knight says:
November 15, 2017 at 1:54 pm
I don’t even know what this discussion is about. LOL
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I didn’t either i guess, lol. I thought maybe it was a fun fact kind thing, i didnt know it was a serious post with any sort of agenda. Its kinda what made me to that fun fact post that maybe people didn’t know about some of those other things.
My comment about the Browns moving from Cleveland to Baltimore has little to do with team movement and was a response to a post on the previous blog to comments about the Browns history of being a bad team, where someone was pointing out things that happened before the current franchise came into existence in 1999.
All I was pointing out is it’s not the same team.
But my post wasn’t about that at all. I was pointing out the team has a tremendous amount of assets they can use to get much better, from their 12 draft picks (2 in the first and 3 in the second) and their cap space, whereas Miami is cash strapped and doesn’t have nearly the assets.
I was also pointing out how little difference there is between the Dolphins and the Browns at this time regardless of record. We have ONLY four wins this year. It’s not like we’re tearing it up right now. Watch a Browns game and see how hard the guys play. See what effort looks like and then think about it objectively before you speak out like a jaded Dolphin fan. We haven’t been very good either since 1999. We’ve only averaged about 2 more wins a year than Cleveland has so I don’t get where the arrogance comes from that we are so much better than they are.
But, again, my point is if we don’t get our shit together the Browns could end up having a better team than us. If you think we’re a laughing stock now, wait and see what happens if that situation takes place.
You realize almost all cap situations are temporary. You make a few moves, cuts, restructures, trades, and you can change your cap space by $30M
And who is Miami going to cut, restructure and trade that will allow them to do that?
Pouncey saves you between 7-8M
That’s an easy one
They are less than 2 years removed from using 6 of their 2016 picks on WRS
the Browns completely waste picks
what’s the point of accumulating draft picks if you waste them like that
I would rather keep the best players we have and have less picks – make good picks and keep those picks is a much better model then adding tons of picks
we’ve already done the blow up and reshape thing
look a team like KC ?
look at a team like Carolina?
How about the Falcons?
none of them are the patriots or the steelers or the packers – the teams we see year after year in the postseason
they’ve had some bad years
but they keep their best players and add new ones
we aren’t cap strapped in my opinion either
we are 16M under next year
and that can jump to about 24M if we cut Pouncey – which seems likely to me
We won’t have any big signings in 2018
we just re-sign a few guys
and we are fine
even without Pouncey we are projected to be 62M under in 2019
so its basically a one offseason penance if we do nothing at all with the current roster
https://overthecap.com/calculator/miami-dolphins/
we don’t have to remake the team
we just have to keep adding talent and letting the best man win the job
and maybe, we have to make some coaching and FO changes – but I think we can wait to see on that decision for now
wash. rinse. repeat. it’s the SAME story EVERY year. this is all we have to do. we’ve been saying that at least since the Sporano days. At least.
No
we basically blew it up after Sparano
Traing our best players and having a fire sale is doing the same thing
As is cutting guys and all the other stuff
I don’t even think we have any players on the roster (maybe Denney) since Sparano
we parted ways with everyone
Okay, So let’s say for the sake of argument the Browns land their qb. Maybe it’s Mayfield, Jackson or whomever and he’s the guy. Then they draft Barkley along with it. Then they get an offensive lineman or two in the second and sign one or two more in FA either to start or for depth or combination thereof.
Maybe they also land another tight end like Mayfield’s teammate. Pick up another LB. Whatever the case may be. My point is, they’ve GOT an arsenal of picks and cash to do just that. We don’t. Their past doesn’t equal their future.
They went from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and picked up Garrett and the switch has made them a better defense. Need to improve vs the pass but, again, they’ve got the resources to either go out and sign someone or draft a player.
You can argue about what they did with the wr’s they picked but look at the nonsense we’ve done from taking Tannehill over Keuchly, picking Misi instead of Bowman or, worse yet, Gronkowski and the trade we executed with Philly for Maxwell and Alonso. We took on a shit contract from Philly with Maxwell and now he’s not even with the team. So we can’t act like this team hasn’t made stupid moves of their own.
I know most fans didn’t like the Ajayi trade but it’s done. I do find it funny that a 4th rd pick is now a worthless pick to some of you. That’s not what I’ve heard in the past when we traded them. Ajayi was also a 5th rd pick so you can find talent in those rounds.
true that about the “worthless” 4th rd pick
I don’t like the idea of trading away talent in general
I agree, and that kinda makes me laugh. What makes me laugh even more than that, is saying you can’t replace a guy like Ajayi with a 4th RD pick, when Ajayi was a 5th RD pick. Players slip in every draft since they started. Whether it’s a bone-on-bone diagnosis, or a different injury, or an attitude rumor, whatever, talent like Ajayi slip every year. Sometimes it’s taking a chance on a guy who doesn’t have a lot of production, but you see late RD RB’s and undrafted RB’s making an impact in the NFL
Ajayi was a 5th.
I thought you said he was a 4th.
And, by the way, our record vs the Browns since they returned to the league in 1999 is 3-3
You should go root for them. Obviously that’d be way more rewarding! LOL!
Tim:
This year doesn’t matter. We have played 9 games and most of them poorly. We have only had a lead for a handful of minutes this season. We have been shut out twice and barely avoided a third shutout with a garbage TD against the Jets. We are not good and I don’t see us getting better
I didn’t say we were good, but there are a lot of young players on this team that need to keep proving themselves for the future. You don’t throw in the towel at 4-5. To me that’s even worse for a team. That’s why I used pride. Those who mail it in will be gone in 2018.
I doubt we get better before the end of the season
if anything I think we might see the silver lining side of inconsistency between now and the end of the season but that’s not good
we can get better though – and I don’t think it takes anything dramatic
Shake up the OL in ’18, stick with our QB/WR trio hopefully we can be stay relatively healthy, maybe we can see some of the younger players grow (Tunsil, Harris, Tankersly, Drake….I would love to see Stephen Anthony play a little)
there are pieces to work with – just the whole thing is not coming together now
naplesfan2010 says:
November 15, 2017 at 3:42 pm
about team movement …
the Cardinals started in Chicago.
the Rams started in Cleveland.
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That was further back than i wanted to go, i kinda only went back to the AFL/NFL merger.
But yeah if you go far enough back both of those team origins are true.
Green Bay is the longest standing team to be in the same city under the same name, they are also the 3rd oldest franchise in the NFL, even though they were not one of the Charter members of the NFL like the Chicago Bears who were then called the Decatur Staleys, and the Arizona Cardinals which Naples mentioned started in Chicago.
The Giants missed that distinction, though, by only 6 years, as they came in 6 years after the Packers and have been in the same place, with the same name since 1925. The Lions are also another team that have been in the NFL for a long time, starting as the Portsmouth Spartans before moving to Detroit to become the Lions in 1934.
The NFC North is a division made entirely of those teams, as another attempt to keep historical rivalries together.
Lou, I’m not a capologist. Maybe Suh is traded, or maybe he’s just restructured, but you know cuts are coming if we finish up .500 or worse.
Yeah, we can, and I argued just that but I got shot down with that one. I agree, we can cut Suh and designate it post June 1 and it’s only $9 or so in dead vs $22M if we keep him.
There are numerous things we can do to get our cap room back up and, believe me, I’m all for it. Thing is, do we do it?
But, again, my original point is I’m looking at a team like Cleveland who is winless and our team and I don’t see much of a separation between the two despite the records. Yeah, Cleveland doesn’t have a qb right now but all that could change in the very near future.
I guess my real point is it would KILL me if we’re still pulling up the rear in the East and Cleveland is going toe to toe with Pittsburgh and Baltimore for the division.
Piggy, Pouncey would add $6M to our cap with a $2M cap hit.
s says 7 on that link up there
which would take us from 16 to 23M
My bad, I was looking at the cash number from spotrac.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/mike-pouncey-7730/
I am an amateur capologist, and our cap situation isn’t bad right now at all. That angle is a red herring. This team has issues, but cap isn’t really one of them. One or two very simple moves takes us from ample cap room (which we have right now) to enough to chase free agents. Honestly though, I don’t want to chase free agents.
We need cap room to sign our own guys, like Landry. If we do sign a FA, he better be on the O-line.
I really don’t want to chase free agents either and its pointless
Just make solid picks and keep the guys who have performed form you
pretty soon you will have a very good roster from top to bottom
I don’t think we’ll be big FA spenders anyway other than some stopgap types and maybe one major signing. This team is rolling with a lot of youth across the board and some positions are set moving forward. You keep playing and try to get better and build on it. The mail it in stuff is for the media and fans to play around with.
Sounds like Jerry Jones said, “let’s just think playoffs now” and Zeke agreed.
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“Ezekiel Elliott has withdrawn his appeal to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of appeals. A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 1 for a potential preliminary injunction. The next time Elliott carries the ball for the Dallas Cowboys will be Dec. 24 against the Seattle Seahawks.”
They should have just gotten it over with. Now down the stretch he’ll miss all those games. Bad decision there.
Lou
think about the first line in your 5:15 post
For the sake of argument the Browns land their QB….really?
The problem is: that’s the argument
It doesn’t matter how many picks or how high they are if you miss on the picks paired with running a shitty organization
unloading good players to bring in new draft prospects is a great way to throw the player with potential into the fire
a good organization is going to take draft picks, whether its 12 picks or 2 picks and bring them into their organization
these teams like the Browns
they think they are going to draft the football messiah who turns everything around
and then they draft a talented kind and surround him with garbage
petty soon the talent will also be garbage
So the for the sake of argument I can say maybe this year it will work for them
maybe they draft the right players instead of Branden Weeden
But even if they are drafting good players they bring them into a shitstorm where no one knows how to win
I don’t want to do what the Browns (or the Bills) are doing. More often than not it doesn’t work. It takes years of good drafts to build a team
can’t say as though I agree with that. their last 3 draft look pretty solid. right now they’re a team that just needs to add a few key pieces to their roster. I’m telling you, if they get their qb and can get Barkely as well they are well on their way.
but, like I said, tell me what we’ve been doing since 1999 that’s worked out so well for us. oh yeah, we traded for stabby, signed Wallace in free agency. tons of good stuff and just look at the results. perennial playoff contender.
doesn’t matter if you’re finishing 8-8 or 3-13. if you’ve got no chance to make the playoffs your record doesn’t mean shit.
If they draft “their qb”
that just means they missed on the 2017 version of “their qb” in Kizer
I’m sure they have talent come and go
they are still run like a shitshow
dude, so is this team!! think about it. where does any Dolphin fan get off thinking this organization has been run so much better. really.
Lou — asked you a couple times before but maybe you missed….have you been to a Dolphins game since the $400 mil in improvements?
Least that part is something us fans are grateful for.
It’s too early to play trades and cuts in the offseason. That will be determined by the final results and performances this season. There are 7 games left. That’s what I’ve been saying. Every game is a video resume for these players.
I dont know if you guys noticed
But the MNF crew mentioned how good our WR unit was
And when the game wasn our trip combined for 16 catches and over 170 yards
Not eye popping numbers
But still, IMO, the obvious best part of our team
And it used to be the worst and I never stopped Oinking about it
Now the trick is to turn out OL around
Stills and Parker are good to go for the next couple years. And Landry has done great as well (even if next year in question). But you are right…..all starts with the OL.
So we didn’t finish 10-6 and make the playoffs last year and we’re at 4-5 this year.
The Browns were 1-15 last year and are 0-9 this year is somehow comparable? Geez… what kind of math is this? 14-11 vs. 1-24. It must be the 1s and 4s that gets Lou confused. LOL
Lou doesn’t have much credibility. Why even respond to him?
He’s part of the blog conversations and I’m not the only one who responds to him. I will say he’s heading towards a territory of trolling again with this Browns comparison shit though. In a nutshell it’s asinine and he knows it. He goes from good convo to ludicrous convo in a blink of an eye. Not sure why he keeps doing that or what he gets out of it.
When he says crap like that and other stuff he says it’s hard to take anything else he says seriously. That’s why I say he lacks credibility. To me conversing with Lou is no different than conversing with Home
When Parker can go he’s always productive. Stills is kind of a sniper, some good games others he doesn’t produce much. Landry is kind of in a tough place. He’s a good player who is tough and physical and plays with emotion, can make great catches and is reliable every week. But he’s kind of stuck in the short route stuff and I think he gets frustrated when things are going bad and loses concentration. He’s going to get paid in 2018, but I have to admit I’m not sure it will be in Miami. He doesn’t really change games but I also think that is due to what’s been going on up front and at QB.
He can do more than he’s doing with us and our enigma of an offense I think makes him look like less then he really is. It’s a tough call for the FO unless they know that’s the case.
Pig,
You mentioned Pitt, NE, and GB as consistent contenders. In some cases they do resign their own guys, but Pitt definitely has let some very talented (and expensive) guys walk. NE trades a lot of guys before their rookie deal is up. GB seems to keep most of their own. None of these teams are major players in FA. NE has made a few bold moves to try and take advantage of the Brady window, but the results have been less than what they hoped. All of these teams usually have lots of compensatory picks every year. The big thing is they all have elite QBs, although Big Rape isn’t at the level of Brady or Rogers.
Having an elite QB, good/great coach, and strong FO makes up for a lot of misses. I’m always envious of teams that trade down in the draft and fill up the roster with good young players. It’s a lot easier to keep young, underpaid guys motivated and playing hard. When you find special guys that train and play hard no matter what invest in them. Seems like there are a lot less guys like that these days.
We haven’t been able to establish having an elite QB, good/great coach yet. It’s not easy and very few teams have that. I still want to see this team with Gase and Tannehill in 2018 with some changes and upgrades before we bail on it. Tannehill has played less than one season with Gase and vice versa. Not saying elite or great but it could be good. Think Chiefs with Reid and Smith. Not elite or great but pretty damn good and always in the mix.
DRG
that’s a good point
we’ve actually signed some of their guys (Porter and Wallace)
but generally speaking those teams don’t do makeovers
I actually was mentioning those teams as consistent contenders
and mentioning the others (Falcons, Panthers and KC) as teams that cling to players
KC jumps out at me as a team that keeps a lot of their guys long term. I feel like that defense is full of early drat picks they drafted themselves
Tim Knight says:
November 15, 2017 at 5:08 pm
Didn’t you post about this team building a winner heading into the season and now that the team has struggled you accuse the FO of having no idea what they’re doing and the team has no pride? That’s a classic flip flop of emotions yet you accuse others of being naive about the team.
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Tim,
He wasn’t the only one…not even close! Lol
Yeah but he did a 180 and now we’re supposed to read everything he says as fact and we’re all naive. As if none of us also think we’re in a bad place as a team at the moment but now we’re as bad as Cleveland or worse. Come on, Randy! Do you not see it? LOL
NOT such a good day. Our 12-14 year old rat terrier had to be put down this morning. Yesterday, on our morning walk, I noticed he had trouble urinating. Turned out he had stones in kidneys, ureters and bladder. Vet said his only chance was a $6,000 plus surgery that he may not survive. He strongly supported the decision NOT to operate. Now, in less than 24 hours, our little Jackson is gone. We’ll meet him on “The Rainbow Bridge” where all pet owners and their pets eventually get reunited. Now, we’ll have to give more love to our remaining pets, a 20-pound Cairn Terrier mix and an 85-pound Greyhound who guards her “Mommy & Daddy” with ferocious devotion. Tonight’s 10 O’clock walk will be a bit tougher than usual.
I say we draft a young QB this year. We’ll need a new one when this team is finally ready to compete for a SB in 5 years! Lol
We competed last year from what I remember. Look at ATL from last year. It happens.
TIM; I DON’T remember us really being competitive in the playoffs during any season during Ross’s reign of futility, and that certainly includes last year, too! NOT satisfied with occasionally being competitive during the regular season. NOR was Don Shula.
Actually, Randy, 5 years may be “on the nose” when our favorite team is ready to compete. I’ve previously posted my belief that Ross will sell the team sometime during the next 4 years. And THAT, in my opinion, is the NUMBER ONE REQUIREMENT THAT MUST HAPPEN before Miami wins another playoff game. WE DESPERATELY NEED NEW LEADERSHIP, and the sooner, the better!!
Ya just can’t make this up. For a decade and a half, we could move the ball with EASE between the 20s, but we SUCKED when it came to the redzone. Now, we can’t move the ball between the 20s, but if can can somehow miracle ourselves to the redzone, we’re golden.
*SIGH*
That’s weird
I assume its anproduct of being in the redzone so few times
Tim,
10 wins against the easiest schedule in the league…and some fairly ugly football mixed in there. Plus, i’m tired of hearing about last year. It doesn’t matter anymore. I don’t know why people keep bringing it up.
OD,
I also think we’ve lacked leadership in the locker room for years too. Nobody seems to hold anybody accountable among the players. It can’t always be the coaches.
RE-READ what I said. I didn’t blame the coaches. I blamed the owner who approved the coaching hires and the owner who selected some of the worst GM’s and “talent scouts!” Given these horrid hires, HOW CAN YOU EXPECT PROPER LEADERSHIP in the locker room??? Good leaders are the product of good owners who select wisely when it comes to front office hires. Bad leaders in the locker room are the expected result (usually) of bad front offices put together by bad owners.
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WE WON”T GET to a super bowl until ROSS sells the team!!!
Every other team plays the toughest schedule goes through no hard times and everything is okay. Somehow nothing we do well is good enough here. Have fun with that.
Here’s a stat that’s interesting, Gase has never been a HC for a team that didn’t make the playoffs. It’s an open book. 🙂
^ when she can’t stop thinking about pork
Tim,
Just like everybody else, some things lou says I agree with and some are kinda out there. There are lots of stupid things said around here. I don’t really judge anybody for it….and I hope i’m not judged for it myself! It’s just a damn football blog. Lol
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All I know is I can barely remember the last playoff win this team had. It doesn’t really matter to whom we get compared to me.
Okay.
OD, you’re stuck in the past. Sorry, we’re 4-5 after a 10-6 playoff appearance for the 1st time in 8 years in Gase’s 1st season, and you still keep hitting rewind past that to make your point with your focus on Ross.
Do we look good as a team this year? No! But we were 5-4 at this point last year after a 1-4 start and finished 10-6. There are 7 games left. You might ask do you really think we’re going to climb out of this and I’d say no. But I thought that last year. 🙂
BTW
my new avatar is a turkey pig dragon…nice huh
Why have we gotten away from the run? Gase has said time and again that he won’t ever go away from the run, dating back to last year.
probably bc of the ajayi trade
I agree with you in part, but I think it’s more about our O-Line.
well yeah that too since Ajayi was getting hitting behind the LOS when he was here….lol
Last year, we were averaging 4.5 YPC with 14 rushing TDs and 90 rushing 1st downs.
This year, we are averaging 3.6 YPC with 1 rushing TD and 34 rushing 1st downs (9 games).
This year’s Eagles: 4.3 YPC with 7 rushing TDs and 65 rushing 1st downs.
Jay Ajayi with the Eagles (1 game): 9.6 YPC and 1 rushing TD on 8 carries.
Jay Ajayi with us this year (7 games): 3.4 YPC and 0 rushing TDs on 138 carries.
This SCREAMS to me that our O-Line is killing us in the running game and that Ajayi had nothing to do with our running woes.
Drake has basically matched him so far.
And Drake has basically 26 carries all season long (59 for his career)… we’re not running the ball enough. We’re at a roughly 2:1 pass-run ratio… unacceptable.
Allow me to clarify: we’re at a roughly 2:1 pass-run ratio over the last two games, not for the year.
Drake 42 yard run and 66 yard TD run in back to back games since Ajayi has been gone. Ajayi has one big run for PHI but everyone got off on that. Do you really feel the need to tell me the stats, bro? I know what’s going on, I watch and follow the games.
Explain to me losing 20-6, 20-0 and 40-0 with Ajayi?
It’s not because we had Ajayi that we couldn’t score. What about Cutler to Jarvis/DeVante/Stills? The TEAM lost those games, not Ajayi.
Wednesday Night NFL Trivia
Since and including the 2008 season, only 3 players have been named AFC Offensive Player of the Week 3 TIMES in the same season (quite the feat!). One has achieved this feat 3 times, one has achieved this feat twice, and one has achieved it once.
WHO ARE WE?!!
“It’s not because we had Ajayi that we couldn’t score. What about Cutler to Jarvis/DeVante/Stills? The TEAM lost those games, not Ajayi.”
Exactly right! The same situation stands for Drake and Williams.
YUP! So I’m left to point the finger at our O-Line for our running deficiencies.
Okay, it’s not about Ajayi or the RB position is all I’m saying. 🙂
^^^^^!!! 🙂
Tom Lady* won AFC Offensive Player of the Week 3 times in the same season 3 TIMES in his career (2009, 2011, and 2012).
Who are the other 2 players who have won it 3 times in the same season? One has done it twice, the other has done it once.
…dating back to 2008, of course.
Peyton Manning won AFC Offensive Player of the Week 3 times in the same season TWICE since 2008 (2008 and 2013).
Wednesday Night NFL Trivia
Since and including the 2008 season, only 3 players have been named AFC Offensive Player of the Week 3 TIMES in the same season (quite the feat!). One has achieved this feat 3 times, one has achieved this feat twice, and one has achieved it once.
#1) Tom Lady* has won AFC Offensive Player of the Week 3 times in the same season THRICE since 2008 (2009, 2011, and 2012).
#2) Peyton Manning has won AFC Offensive Player of the Week 3 times in the same season TWICE since 2008 (2008 and 2013).
#3) ______________ has won AFC Offensive Player of the Week 3 times in the same season ONCE since 2008.
WHO IS PLAYER #3 (fill in the blank)???
Ajayi
Dan Marino has only achieved this feat ONCE in his illustrious career (1984), but he’s obviously not the answer: since 2008.
M13
Fwiw
I do think Gase wants those RBs as big part of the passing game. I remember him using Matt Forte this way in Chicago
So I think Gase is achieving more of what he wants
I would have liked to see power running though with Ajayi
To keep Defenses honest, I, too, want to see more running (especially POWER). But we’ve gotta fix that O-Line of ours.
Oh I think it has to be the priority too
Mike E. says:
November 15, 2017 at 10:21 pm
Ajayi
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BOOM!!! You got it, Mike E!!!
Jay Ajayi has won AFC Offensive Player of the Week 3 times in the same season ONCE since 2008 (2016).
Congrats!!!
That’s ‘RARE AIR’ there with Tom Lady*, Peyton Manning, and Jay Ajayi as the answers to tonight’s trivia question.
I must bail for the evening… PEACE!
mf13ss says:
November 15, 2017 at 7:30 pm
Ya just can’t make this up. For a decade and a half, we could move the ball with EASE between the 20s, but we SUCKED when it came to the redzone. Now, we can’t move the ball between the 20s, but if can can somehow miracle ourselves to the redzone, we’re golden.
*SIGH*
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LOL! What a mind-boggling stat. Like you said, you can’t make this stuff up.
Maybe the stats are skewed because we’ve only been in the redzone 4 times this year.
That’s what I said
We are incredibly successful in the rare circumstances that we make it there
It’s easy to compare the records of the Dolphins and Browns in the last two years and say we’re definitely the better team. But, it’s also lazy. And, despite the what some on here may think, I’m not trolling with these comments.
You’ve got to be realistic here and you’ve got to stop being a “fan” for a moment and look at this from a different perspective. Tim says OD is stuck in the past. Well, we were 10-6 last year. Do you know what that means? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Last year is over. We’re 9 games into a new season and NOW we’re 4-5. That’s what matters.
Okay, and so the Browns are 0-9. But, take both of those records and throw them out the window. Because, like I said, we’re only 10 points better than they are at this point, AND they best us in several categories:
Score more points per game
Rush for more yards per game
PASS for more yards per game. And check out Kizer’s stats. They suck
Defense is 4th vs the rush. We were 7th and now we’re 20th.
11th in total D and we’re 17th.
So, you wanna call it trolling but you’re not understanding what I’m saying here. We’re 4-5 and lucky to be there. You can look at the situation anyway you want but and be an arrogant fan when it comes to the records but the reality of the situation is we’re no better than an 0-9 team right now. That’s how bad things are. You can accept it or deny it, disagree with it if you want, but this is reality.
Plus, the only game you can say they were blown out in was the one vs CIN and they’ve not been shut out this season. Again, we’re getting into a dangerous area here. I don’t ever remember being this low as a team.
Our point differential in -87 and there’s is -97. Just a tiny bit over 1 point per game separating us from a winless team. Our team sucks.
Ken says I lack credibility but I’ve been right about the things I’ve posted on here more than I’ve been wrong. Someone will undoubtedly point out the Doughty comment but there’s an old saying that you can do things right over and over but do one thing wrong and that’s the thing they’ll remember.
Nobody remembers anything else other than Doughty. And, yes, we didn’t trade Landry but does it really matter. You don’t win games by outcatching the other team.
With all due respect i think cleveland will be your next miss.
We’ll see.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.
Sometimes being too insistent over and over on whatever the point is gets a bit over the top though…..think it more about that.
Levion Bell and Frank Gore will be FAs this year, Hmmm?
I love Bell and always did when he was at MSU
in fact I wanted to draft him
but I don’t want to sign a FA RB
Bell is probably the perfect fit for Gase though
Vontae Davis could be another option
If we could trade Landry for Sammy Watkins would that be a good move?
Both will be FAs
An actually thoughtful and insightful article from Omar. Who knew he had it in him.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-kelly-column-20171115-story.html
If the people running the show need these 7 games to figure that out they probably should be doing something else.
Still scares me when Omar’s thoughts largely match up with my own….but maybe that is a reminder of why this whole crazy crew started on his blog. He’s got him in him, it is only his crazy ass ego that gets in the way.
Lou – You’re totally out of balance. You can’t find a good thing about this team, but go out of your way to look at Cleveland’s stats to show us all how Cleveland isn’t really any worse than we are. Thanks but no thanks. Take that silly shit back to your own blog and repeat it over and over again,
WASH – RINSE – REPEAT
We don’t want to read that shit, especially when you’re only out to make the team look bad. Find a fucking positive thing about the team, organization or coaches every once in a while.
I don’t mind Lou posting here FWIW, even when its absurd
but substantively after reading those posts I find myself saying to myself
“okay let me get this right…The Dolphins are doing everything wrong…and we should be doing it like the Browns?!?!?!”
that’s just not rationale
That’s fine, I’m tired of being told how shitty my team is, the organization is, the players are, the coaches are, and how if you can’t see it, you’re either in denial, or just stupid. That shit gets old fast.
its a tired subject…I agree
I’m right more than I’m wrong too.
I’m wrong all the F-ing time. 🙂
It’s all matter of perspective.
Ask my wife, and you’ll find I’ve never been right about anything…ever…but at least I’m not a dick about it, unless you ask my wife.
LMAO Kong — the women are smarter. And that includes team planning….always hate what comes back after a “girl’s nite out.” 🙂
In regards to that article Omar wrote, I kind of think we can answer the questions he posed now. A lot of those questions seem off base IMO
Question: Can Kenyan Drake serve as a lead back, carrying the rushing attack?
The Pork: I think Gase want’s RB by committee (Mike E, didn’t you argue this once before the Ajayi breakout games?) Can Drake be #1 on the depth chart? I think the answer is yes, but I don’t think that means 20 or more carries. If we add a 3rd RB this offseason he might be above or below the Drake – and I don’t really think that is roster overhaul territory. Adding a RB is the easiest thing to do in the offseason. I hate the Ajayi trade because I loved the player, but the reality is you just need to add a 3rd RB…maybe its a really talented one, maybe its just a guy to share some of the workload
Question: Are cornerbacks Xavien Howard and Cordrea Tankersley talented enough to build around?
The Pork: Build around?….No. But they are talented enough to start on a good defense. We want tall physical CBs and that is why we drafted these two. If we are shutting down the run and getting pressure on the QB, what these two are here for works very well. But when we don’t do that – forget it. Its has nothing to do with the talent level of the roster at CB. Those 2 are perfect for the mold. The mold is not working or at least didn’t work in Carolina – but it did early this season. So stop the run and get pressure first and we will talk about the CBs after that…
Question: Will DeVante Parker blossom into the receiver he has the talent to become?
The Pork: What exactly are you asking for from parker? He looked good early this season got hurt and missed 3 games and looked good when he came back. We haven’t thrown the deep ball in his direction lately and that really isn’t on him – please don’t tell me anything about separation, this guy doesn’t need any to make a catch. We don’t need Parker to blossom into a different talent than he is. We need him to stay on the field and to throw the ball deep to him. Honestly, Parker has been better with YAC this season than I expected. We were all hoping for a Cutler cannon to Parker a lot this season and that didn’t happen. Its not bc Parker has to fucking blossom…
Question: Does Miami’s offensive line have what it takes to improve, or does that entire unit need to be rebuilt?
The Pork: No and Yes it needs to be rebuilt. What a fucking question Omar…I need to watch the next 7 games to see what happens? These guys look like amateurs all season. James is already out for the year – so what’s left to evaluate. Open your eyes.
Question: Does the safety tandem of Reshad Jones and T.J. McDonald work?
The Pork: This is the one thing that the final 7 games might help us understand better bc we haven’t seen MacDonald. I hope yes – but with 2 safeties that play like extra LBs on the field last week – we were eaten alive on the ground. Which makes no sense
Question: Is there a tight end on the roster worth salvaging?
The Pork: Fuck no. Wake up bro.
Piggy
I thought that Gase wanted a RB by committee approach, because that’s how he ran his offense in DEN and in CHI. With the Bears, he had Forte and Langford, and to a lesser degree, Ka’deem Carey and Jacquizz Rodgers, and in Denver, he had C.J. Anderson, Ronnie Hillman and Montee Ball.
I think the only reason we didn’t see that early this season is b/c of Ajayi’s success last season
So I am guessing that its part of the problem between Ajayi and Gase
and moving forward I think Gase wants a versatile type of back to rotate in the lineup
Can Drake be the lead rusher, isn’t the question we need answered.
Can our RB unit achieve what Gase did in Denver and Chicago is the question IMO.
I would add another back to t he rotation to achieve that
and that will be the easiest part of the offseason IMO
Pig — think your comments on the secondary are spot on. Tank, Howard, Jones and TJ are going to be key pieces as a group for at least the next two season absent injury or broken trays.
That is one tough set of dudes lining up, and all seem more than willing in run defense. Maybe we add some third more shifty CB who can also handle the slot, but given those four, no doubt that hitting and size won’t be a problem even if coverage might be.
We also get McMillan back next year too, plus, maybe Stephone Anthony makes some strides as well.
And Lippett of course, since your discussing CB’s
nd maybe they can cover the fucking TE on 3rd down….(sigh)
Lippett was looking real good to me at least…..looking forward to what he does next year. And that just doubles up in depth on the outside.
I can’t understand why every week Anthony is inactive
Maybe he can cover the TE on 3rd down
no one on the active roster can
Hopefully McDonald will be that guy
I agree though, I really want to see Anthony play. Maybe they’re working him hard in practice and hoping maybe he can replace Timmons next year, but if that’s the case, they need to play him here at some point to see what he can do
Piggy
Both C.J. Anderson and Ronnie Hillman were both good receivers, and the same goes for Forte and Langford. Ball and Carey not as much, but if you just look at those two examples in DEN and CHI, you would think that he does.
Anthony doesn’t play STs and is behind our starters.
As for covering TEs, a lot of teams struggle to do that. The Giants set a record this year allowing 10 TDs from TEs in 9 straight games or something like that. Crazy!
we are 20th in the NFL in 3rd down coversion defense
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct
seems like teams go to the TE on 3rd down against us.
So we can probably improve dramatically on defense if we shore that up
Yeah our coverage has been too loose allowing too many uncontested balls.
Mike E — And the future of our LBs seems pretty set as well. For sure McMillan will be back and Alonso is long-term. Timmons has been a beast and should be here next year….so that is the starting three.
Even on the DL — Suh is here, drafted two other young DTs who have looked good and Phillips will be here too unless he gets traded. Branch is for sure on the team and Harris is a good looking rook. And Wake will still be lining up next year.
Folks don’t necessarily have to like who we have….but the D is mostly set up. And not like they have been playing bad.
Not necessarily with Timmons. If Anthony shows he can play, we can save about $5.7M if we cut Timmons. Not saying he’s a definite cut, but you never know
Well if Timmons has proves anything it is that he is a wildcard….hard to complain with the play after the no-show though. And maybe he isn’t here. Still thinking the D is pretty much set for next year. Guessing the main focus is the OL next year…..but then thought that last off season and now talk about how the D is set up.
Kiko is a major liability in coverage. They stopped even having him cover TEs and had Jones for it the last couple games. That is a problem because it makes you vulnerable in other ways.
Though Dickson did catch a TD he only had 3-33 so TE wasn’t really the problem in the Panthers game. Kiko was better in coverage earlier in the year but the last two weeks he has struggled. Jared Cook hurt us in the Raiders game and Kiko was the target on a few of those. But Cook is a tough matchup for any LB, he’s big and can run.
Tim,
Kiko struggled last year too. It has been an issue his whole stay here. Teams have taken advantage of him, and then the coaches have to switch up our coverages because of it.
We’ve struggled covering TE’s forever it seems, and we also haven’t had an exceptional TE on offense in what seems like forever too. It kind of drives me crazy
I hear fans and announcers of games mention how teams struggle against TEs all the time. It’s not just us. But we focus on our team in more detail.
Yeah, they’re a tough matchup – Having a guy 6’4″-6’7″ that can run a 4.5 or 4.6 is very difficult to cover, which begs the question, why don’t WE have that guy? lol
We’ve tried but it hasn’t worked out. Egnew, Cameron, Thomas. It never seems to pan out. We need to draft one this year. I would have that high on my list.
She’s an Angel!
Hopefully it is this and we get on the same page.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article185011933.html
Tim
We tried, but IMO we’ve half assed it every time. I guess Egnew in the 3rd was closest to really trying. Cameron and Thomas were poor attempts at getting it done right
I don’t think they were poor attempts because they had a body of work but they haven’t panned out. Both had moments but the consistency isn’t there. I hope we can land a good young TE in the draft. Would be great to find one who can block well too.
We’ll have to disagree there. Cameron had had multiple concussions and missed time before we signed him, and historically caught about half his targets.. Thomas hadn’t been very good since 2014.
I know you weren’t a fan of them. 🙂
We have farty Duarty.
I really hate New Orleans.
Why man? One of the most wonderful places to visit there is. Or you talking football and the Breeze that got away.
Charles Clay
Clay was a 6th RD pick that was a little undersized, but I liked his game. He had 2 good seasons for us.
It’s time to really make an investment at the TE position
Who cares where he was drafted? He ‘s really the only good TE we’ve had in ages that could create matchup problems in the pass game.
Kong – The discussion was about not really investing at the position, and kind of half assing it. They didn’t love Clay that much, or they would have paid him.
Using a draft pick isn’t half-assing it. And we got outpriced on Clay amostly because we thought we had a replacement in Cameron. It was a bad decision, not half-assing it.
Ok, so we disagree on this too, that’s fine.
Not saying we ended up with better, but Bills fans aren’t all that happy with Clay either. And not like he is a seam buster….even for sure might fit in the new bad OL/quick pass scheme on Sunday.
Stanger,
They overpaid for him and he’s had injury issues, but he was worlds better than that Jackhole Cameron was for us.
Clay was more of a FB/H-back. He didn’t really play like a TE. He ran a lot of RB routes and excelled on circle routes. He did line up wide too, but not a typical TE although he’s listed as one. I liked him a lot, got his jersey for Xmas and he left the following season. 😦
We used him like that as a function of our offense, but he lines up at TE for the Bills and is a capable TE when not injured which is always now. Not elite or anything but solid.
I threw his name out there as the only decent TE we’ve had in ages.
I hear ya. I remember the hit that set off Clay’s knee issue. He caught a pass out of the backfield in the flat and the defender basically hit him in his knee with his helmet. It looked like it hurt. I remember I grabbed my knee like ughhh… LOL
Kong
What I mean is, they had a chance to pay Clay a big contract, but they balked because of the $$$, and his knee, and then signed Cameron for a 2YR contract for less, but the guy was a career ending concussion away when we signed him, so I’ll consider that half assing the situation. If you feel differently, I respect that.
I think it’s a poor decision, not half-assing, but I respect your opinion as well, and when you get down to it, we’re really arguing semantics, because we certainly haven’t had a decent TE other than Clay, and no top end TEs in forever.
No doubt that a top TE has long been this team’s white whale….but that goes back to Keith Jackson, and even he didn’t deliver like we hoped.
The tight end that I always go would’ve and could’ve on is Dustin Kelller. Was ready to buy his jersey for one preseason game at least.
Yeah was excited about him too. So sad what happened to him in a fucking PS game.