Forget the matchups, forget who’s playing where, forget how many PPG we have or they have, forget about all of that. I’m not wasting my time researching that crap when this team does one thing consistently, underdeliver. NO ONE on this team is living up to the back of his football card (You can all debate that if you like) What this team needs to do, and I don’t care how Gase has to get them to do it, is come out, and smack some team in the mouth. As soon as they get on the field, impose their will, and show that team this is not going to be their day. Not once this season has this team beat up on anyone. We haven’t enjoyed one victory where it was a clear cut win where we were firing on all cylinders. Instead we’ve had to endure at least 2-3 quarters of WTF! football almost every game.
Sunday we host a team playing as poorly as us. I know the ANY GIVEN SUNDAY deal, but it’s time for this team to show a sign of life, and kick someone’s teeth in! We have been beaten down and shut out and embarrassed and undressed and tied to motorboats and have the fishes eat at us, but ENOUGH! Time for this team to give us a game where they kick ass from start to finish, a good old fashioned ass kicking BLOWOUT!
I’m not going to post the usual slogans on the bottom, GO DOLPHINS! Zero in! I think they take that too literally, and they’re trying so hard to get zero.
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Fasano was actually the best TE we’ve had in a long time, his first go around. But he wasn’t a threat to beat you deep.
Agreed, he was a solid TE, and one of my favorites. I almost mentioned him but thought we were talking pass catching matchup problem guys.
And I didn’t mean this to read as argumentative, was just relaying that I hadn’t forgot about Fasano. 🙂
Agreed about both Keller and Fasano. Tim, remember when I said Fasano’s the type of guy we’ll miss when he’s gone? Well, turns out we have super short memories, because we definitely had a drop off at the position when he left, but nobody remembered he ever played for us after that. LOL…
I think so, that was a long time ago. LOL
I was a fan of his too when many fans wanted a better pass catcher. He had 7 TDs one year and helped in the run game as a blocker.
Yeah, I remember you and I being 2 of only a few Fasano fans. Everyone wanted Vernon Davis (at that time) not ol’ reliable.
Keller might have still been putting up numbers for us if it wasn’t for that BS hit.
I thought Dion Sims was pretty good
I did too. That was another bad move, letting him walk.
Ditto…Very Fasano like. Could do it all. A well rounded TE.
He was another guy that couldn’t stay on the field though. He was OK, not the answer we were all looking for, at least not what I was looking for. 😉
OK as a 2nd TE though
I agree with Mike here but I liked Sims. He could block a DE one on one and also surprise people getting down the field at times. Inconsistent hands though.
Stanger, Keith Jackson was pretty damn good for us.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackKe00.htm
We seem to have all forgotten Randy McMichael who I think is our all time leading receiving TE.
Ferrell Edmunds anyone? LOL
He made some big plays but would disappear too often.
McMichael’s personal life affect his play IMHO. After the domestic violence case he was never quite the same player. Lots of drops.
I always thought he should have been a better blocker than he was considering his size…
That’s true. He was a steal in the 4th rd and made some nice plays for us.
Ferrel Edmunds was a Tecmo Bowl stud when I played that game!!!!!
LOL, didn’t he have like 3+ plays for us well over 50 yards. I remember one where he fumbled after like a 65 yard gain.
I’ll never forget Randy McMichael. He was one of my favorites and a damn good TE for us.
Him and Soliai 4th round fire! Maybe there’s hope for that Ajayi pick??? 🙂
We can always hope!!!
Okay draftniks who are the TEs we’re seeking in the 2018 draft?
Mike Gesicki, TE, PSU
Uh oh, calling bias here. LOL
LOL. He’s REALLY good, biased or not. I dig up some highlights for ya.
Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma, seems to be the consensus #1 TE in college football this year.
Mike Gesicki 2016-17 Highlights || Penn State TE #88 || “Slippery”
I believe you, just JK/BB.
🙂
He looks like a load. Big guy who can run some, good hands. How’s he at blocking?
What round would you say?
I would guess that Gesicki will go in the 2nd-3rd Round at the moment. I think he has the chance to pick up some steam in the Bowl game that PSU ends up going to and after the Combine.
He’s an adequate blocker, but he’s nothing like we saw last year with OJ Howard or years past like Vernon Davis. He needs to work on it like most TEs do at the pro level, but he’s certainly not a liability.
BBL @ 8:00 PM
Kong, I was very hurt by your argumentative ways. 😉
he’s a monkey…let it go
I honestly think Keith Jackson was our best TE ever
his career was shorter than some of the great TEs
but he was a groundbreaking TE IMO
Keith Jackson was great
The 2 guys I’ve heard positive things about are Hayden Hurst (South Carolina) and Mark Andrews (OKlahoma)
Its a little too early for me to focus on the draft so I can’t tell you much yet
ops I see M13 mentioned Andrews already
Brilliant!!!!!
Piggy Earnest Byner wasn’t to bad
Did Byner play for us?
Hell I was just thinking if that was the name of the TE I was thinking about or if the ravioli I had for lunch was under cooked????
CRS
Nope didn’t play for us!
Byner was a RB.
Wyo, are you thinking of Keith Byars? He was a FB/H-back after being a top college RB. He was very Clay like, even better.
I think so?
But at this point I’m not sure my Rat isn’t on break!
Keith Byars was very good, but more of a receiving FB, or an H-back, like Tim said. He scored that big TD against Dallas in the ice.
77 yards.
Didn’t he have like big-giant feet?
That was the Leon Lett game
Those were fun teams
Marino, Byers, Jackson, Irving Fryar, Mark Ingram, OJ McDuffie and Terry Kirby
I forgot to mention Mark Higgs on those teams too
And our OL had Simms, Webb and Jeff Dellenbach who is notable for being hot for Ace Ventura
Keep watching, they show the finish because of Leon Lett.
Piggy, that was Jeff Uhlenhake in Ace Ventura the scene you’re talking about though both were in the movie.
Was it? I don’t remember…it makes it even weirder that it was the center who gets his butt tickled every snap
Watching that Leon Lett play it makes you realize how fucking stupid of a play it was
everyone around the ball is like “don’t touch it”
If we could come away with Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame, and Mike Gesicki, TE, PSU, in the 2018 Draft, they’ll go a long way in improving our Offense.
I need to get looking at Centers and Tackles… we could use one of each.
I think if you can work in a RB somewhere – that will help too
It might be a good year to trade down in the first if we are looking an interior OL or TE early
Agreed on RB. I think we’ll see one at some point in the Draft. I’d prefer a mauling back (between the Tackles runner).
I think Gase is trying to do a versatile types
But yeah – a bigger short yardage guy would be great – but if he can’t block and catch forget it…lol
Getting Nelson-OG, Billy Price-C/OG, and Gesicki-TE would have me doing cartwheels.
SAME!
Skill doesn’t matter until we block it.
Kerryon Johnson the RB from Auburn has caught my eye. He might be someone to look at in the 4th/5th round. …Good size, decent speed, and a patience runner.
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Common lament within Dolphins organization is they wish they would have kept Rishard Matthews.
Oh geez! Yeah he was the key to our woes. Again skill doesn’t matter until we block it.
Agreed… lesson learned by me a LONG time ago.
Yea, I liked Rishard Matthews.
Me too. He was definitely an underdog/fan favorite.
If the Dolphins Organization is lamented about the play of our WRs – we need to make a FO change
Sometimes I think Mando makes things up
It’s the typical piling on that we see from the local media.
This ‘SkyCam’ vantage point on Thursday Night Football is pretty nice. I’d say it’s going to stick.
Tim Knight says:
November 16, 2017 at 7:35 pm
Kong, I was very hurt by your argumentative ways. 😉
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LOL, it was one of those second guessing my interactions things. I wasn’t sure if my last few comments read to everyone else the way they read in my head.
Lol @ lamenting over Matthews. I find it hard to believe they are walking around bellyaching over him.
lol. Some of you guys really blew that R. Matthews post out of proportion. Context clues people.
You mean as in trying to light a fire under Parker’s ass (Stills too)?
I don’t know about you guys, but I feel better about Tannehill as I watch Mariota struggle.
One other point, having a power run game doesn’t guarantee you success. The Titans have a stout O-line, especially when it comes to run blocking, and they have 2 big backs in DeMarco Murray and Derrick Henry, but they aren’t going anywhere. There’s never just one formula. The Steelers threw the ball all over the place, they couldn’t run, and they still won. That tells you it’s the O-line, and the QB.
!st and foremost the key to winning is having a great QB and with that a great qb rating. you can’t rely soley on a QBs arm though, you have to have a running game to set an off balance to make that QB great.
if all a team did was pass i would pull all but 1 LBer i would have all DB’s and i would blitz that lber most of the time.
on the other side of that coin if i have to worry about a RB who’s going to consistently jam it up the middle on 1st down for 4 to 5 yards i would have 3 LBers in there and maybe bring a safety up to stop that.
as a play action QB if i have the luxury of that my rec’s are going to be open more due to the D’s concern of a running game.
It’s called a balanced attack, right now we have a heavily unbalanced attack and Ds know this and prioritize their D in that respect.
Bell had 12 carries last night, Conner had 5 in garbage time, but they couldn’t stop them from passing. Ben threw 45 passes last night. Like I said, there’s no 1 formula to win football games.
every game is different, i doubt you can use one game to claim your point
the new england patriots have two packages, one is the heavy package the other is the light package, when a d has their heavy package in against ne they go light, when a d has their light package they go heavy
look at the lazor philbin years, did we ever have a great running game? look at 2016 ajayi gained 1200 yards and we go 10-6, do you think that’s a coincidence?
Yes, because we had Ajayi, and got shut out twice, so yes, it’s a coincidence
we also had an unfamiliar qb running this team, and we got shut out by one of the best teams in the league
i believe the killer this year was tannehills injury, not that i think he’s great but i do think he was adequate not to mention the rapport he had with his recs, we were set back due to that, if tanny doesn’t get injured we still have ajayi because our offense would have fared better with tannys familiarity with his offense vs cutler coming in off the street. ajayi would be having another stellar year and deemed un-trade-able.
i think the pressure and stress of losing was the cause to trade ajayi.
Why is it impossible to accept that he wasn’t doing what the HC wanted him to do often enough that the HC finally got fed up and got rid of him? I’ve been a boss (manager) before, and sometimes you need that employee because you know how hard it is to find another one, but when they don’t do what you tell them to do, you just have to get rid of them.
I agree, but that’s the top layer of the situation, why was he not doing what he was suppose to do? do you think he was intentionally sabotaging the team? or maybe he was trying to hard to make a difference. the coach is not out there running the ball.
I’m just speculating but the problem came from losing, getting beat bad! it was not Ajayi’s fault that the Ravens kicked our ass but the end result was turmoil within the ranks, was Gase trying to send a message? if he was I hope he got it because when all is said and done one would have to look back and evaluate this trade and IMO that may be a red flag mark on Gases resume
Mike, what you are saying is we don’t need a running game that we can simply pass our way to the super bowl? is this correct?
No, I think we have a running game, it’s just not the running game you want it to be. I think Drake can give you about 15-20 carries a game, and catch another 5-7 passes, and get you 100-150 total yards. He’s most likely not going to be a 25-30 carry guy, unless he really increases his stamina, but I don’t think that’s what Gase is looking for anyway. I think he would like 2 ballcarriers, maybe even 3, and I think he would like all of them to be able to catch the ball too.
again. context clues.
Kerryon my wayward son, for they’ll be peace when you are done . . .
Rob
I don’t think sabotage had any part of it, but maybe selfishness and stubbornness. He felt instead of hitting a small crease up the middle for 3 or 4, if I bounce it to the outside, I can get a lot more, and then he gets taken down behind the LOS because he did what HE wanted to do, not what the coach drew up. Do that enough, coach is going to get frustrated as hell because his player thinks he knows better than his coach does.. I think it was more along those lines. If Gase has any credibility at all, do you think he would just jettison his best player without having a good reason? That’s what it comes down to, either you trust Gase or you don’t.
I think gase has great pressure on him due to getting his ass kicked and reacted poorly, there are other ways to gain control, bench him, put the captains on his ass, but don’t trade your only option at running the ball, i could see if he was a free agent but we had hin sewed up on the cheap for another year. JMO
Mike E. says:
November 17, 2017 at 9:57 am
No, I think we have a running game, it’s just not the running game you want it to be.
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You’re absolutely right Mike, it’s not the running game i want, since ajayi we have 18 rushes for 80 yards vs 42 pass attempts and 16 rushes for about 90 yards which most of that was picked up on one run vs 37 pass attempts.
this production has one thing in common, it’s called losing
We lost against the Raiders because we couldn’t stop them on defense. We lost against the Panthers because Cutler made a horrible decision and threw a terrible INT, and after that, the defense gave up. Our offense looked good against the Raiders, not so good against the Panthers, because the game got out of hand fast. It’s not because we didn’t have Ajayi, but that’s just my opinion Rob. We looked so bad against the Ravens with Ajayi, I don’t think he’s the magic elixir. He carried is in a few games, maybe 4 or 5, obviously the 200+ games, and maybe a couple more, but that doesn’t mean the offense can’t work well without him.
forget Ajayi, i could care less who runs the ball but we don’t have a power back now. you’re looking at individual plays that caused us to lose but why was cutler in the position to throw that pick in the first place? was it because we cant run the ball, do you think luke knew that when he was backing up playing the pass to pick that ball, why was he out of position to catch that ball? was it because he doesn’t respect our running threat? don’t you think the lack of offense has a repercussion on the D?
you’re looking at the icing on the cake, but that cake has many layers to it.
even if ajayi wasn’t picking up the yards in certain games, the threat was there.
I completely agree with ORob’s 9:44 a.m. post and analysis
I agree. IMO season was over when tanny got injured.
Nice break down on key match-ups to watch from the Tampa side. http://www.buccaneers.com/news/article-smith/6-Key-Matchups-for-Bucs-vs-Dolphins/debffa4b-3d0b-4b8f-b5d6-2484861cb88f
And that article brought up an interesting difference this year. Tanny v Cutler or the OL….. or maybe both. Jarvis is still catching a bunch of passes.
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“Landry has always been a high-volume pass-catcher without the top-end speed to burn defenses deep, but he had a 10.6-yard per-catch average through his first three seasons. The difference this year is in the YAC: Landry was fifth in the NFL with 634 yards after the catch last year; so far in 2017 he is 41st in the NFL with 208.”
The new Omaha is….”Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger last night called a run check with Dilly Dilly.”
Dilly Dilly!
Dilly Dilly
Ken, Boulder – Do you both think Gase panicked because we were losing, and traded Ajayi? I agree the season was in jeopardy as soon as Tannehill went down, and I also think they got the right guy (Cutler) to give them the best chance once that happened, but do you think Gase “choked” under pressure, and traded Ajayi?
I don’t want to speculate and don’t want to 2nd guess that decision. He’s the coach. He knows this team better than anyone. All I said was tanny getting injured doomed our season. But even with Tanny I didn’t think we’ll go to the playoffs this year. The schedule is too tough but I Think we would have been in the hunt in December.
Fair enough
We know one of these two is showing up at Hard Rock on Sunday…..will the other one? Not like it is that long of a drive.
Nothing is over until we say it’s over
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?…
I really like TE Hurst. Seen him in a few games and plays with a Kelce/Gronk attitude.
BTW, I was screaming for Kelce the year he came out but our FO does not listen to me all the time. They did listen to me when I mocked Bobby McCain to us who is having a good year. LOL
Is he able to Hurst shift into another gear when running routes?
Though I don’t think he is as fast as Kelce.
If this team isn’t good enough to overcome the loss of an average QB then we suck. It is also amazing to me how Tannehill got every single excuse in the book for his shitty performances….and he had plenty….but now, we suck because he’s not here. The OL gets a fraction of the blame compared to when Tanny was back there. Almost every single player on this offense has played poorly this year…not just Cutler, and you guys think that’s all because Tannehill isn’t playing? The same QB who has never made anybody around him better for 6 years?! Lol
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You guys flip flop more than politicians. Don’t worry. When Tanny is back next year and we’re playing another soft, last place schedule…schedules that didn’t seem to matter last year but do this year…Tanny will throw his usual 25 TDs and 13 INTs, and you can point out how great he is and how right you are. Lol
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Yes, of course a team will struggle when their starting QB goes down, but you guys are WAY overrating his impact. Plus, haven’t I heard from most of you that we can’t pin wins or losses on a qb because it’s a team game? It was never tannehill’s fault we were losing? Now, we’re not winning because he’s out? Flip…then flop…whatever narrative fits your opinion. Lol
I haven’t blamed Cutler for any of our losses. I also never said the season was over when he went down. I thought they did well getting Cutler. I do think we lost the familiarity he had with the offense and the receivers, because it took Cutler a bunch of games to get up to speed, but I agree with you, the season was in flux, or jeopardy, but not over because of Tannehill
MikeE,
I think most folks around here overrated this team based on our 10 wins last year against the easiest schedule in the league, I believe. We were not a good team. We were an average team at best. Now, this year, against a tougher schedule, we’re getting a different picture and saying it’s because Tannehill is out. No, it’s because we were never as good as people thought our 10 win season suggested we were. Our statistical standings last year suggested we were a team that wasn’t very good. That led to overhyped expectations for this year when our statistical performances last year said we were just not that good. It’s not because of Tannehill going down. Partly, of course, but not a major part. Just my opinion.
Completely agree Randy, but you can’t blame fans for rooting for the team. At one point Matt Moore was the answer on how we get to the playoffs, but will admit I was also guilty of thinking Cutler could be that guy as well. Tanny is for now the last hope to be explored as far as next year at least though.
son of a son of a shula says:
November 17, 2017 at 1:42 pm
Nothing is over until we say it’s over
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?…
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LMAO! were they German????
Quiz of the day — who said it at to who? lol
“I’m going to come after you with everything I have. If you think Bob Kraft came after you hard, Bob Kraft is a p–y compared to what I’m going to do.”
To a certain degree I don’t buy the strength of schedule (SOS) argument, the SOS is determined the prior year, with that said bad teams get better in the off-season and some good teams regress.due to the tremendous parity of the system and any team can beat any other team on any given Sunday, not to mention you are playing almost 40% of the teams in the league, are almost half the teams that bad?
Mike E. says:
November 17, 2017 at 12:18 pm (Edit)
Ken, Boulder – Do you both think Gase panicked because we were losing, and traded Ajayi? I agree the season was in jeopardy as soon as Tannehill went down, and I also think they got the right guy (Cutler) to give them the best chance once that happened, but do you think Gase “choked” under pressure, and traded Ajayi?
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I think the panic move was signing Cutler which I understand even if it was panicked. I just don’t know enough on the behind the scenes stuff with Ajayi to say if it was panicked or not. Don’t forget Gase doesn’t make the decision to trade a player or not. That is a GM decision so I would like to think there is a check on any panicked personnel decision made by a coach
I know Gase didn’t make the trade, but Gase had to be the one to tell Grier and Mikey T that he wanted Ajayi the F out
Rob,
actually when they determined SOS at the end of last year, we had played the easiest schedule. It wasn’t based on 2015 performance. Just look at the teams we played. Almost all of them were in the bottom third of the league last year. Frankly, I think it’s pretty crazy to think that the opponent…and how good or bad they are….simply doesn’t matter. Of course it does. All 32 teams are not equal, so if you get to play a lot of bad teams, how does that not impact your win/loss record?
We played the NFC west 4 games, We played the AFC central 4 games, we played our division foes 6 games, as did everyone else in the division, the only relief we had was playing @ SD and the Titans if you want to call that relief, the best team in our division the Pats got the Broncos and the Texans, that’s the only difference in our strength of schedule and the pats, even the jets and bills had the same schedule.
I can’t see where strength of schedule comes into play.
Stanger:
Jerry Jones
To Goodell
DING and DING…..things might get interesting.
stanger,
I don’t blame fans for rooting for a team. That’s what fans do. I’m just saying that just because a fan got excited about 10 wins really has no relevance when it comes to evaluating what sort of team we are/were. The old: “A win is a win”. Well, yes, but a win doesn’t mean you’re a good team or you played well. We barely beat a lot of bad teams last year. I think our schedule most definitely had an impact on our record. Heck, even if it only made a 2 game difference…that’s the difference between being .500 and a playoff team. Bad and average teams win games too….except for Cleveland. Lol
You are preaching to the quire my friend…… never thought anything other than this was an average team, but that didn’t stop me from hoping for what could be either. Always turn to build the base, and like what they are doing given think they are both building for the future and — yes — knew we were not ready this year before the season started.
choir
SOS is determined by win/loss record. Its not an actual source of whether a team is good or bad because at least 95% of the league are bad teams. Everyone beats up on everyone and some teams get breaks and some don’t. That’s the modern NFL. Its been that way for several decades.
Randy,
So our SOS is the reason we’ve been shut out in effect 3 times, and why we were averaging something like 12 points a game up until a game ago?
When you go from an average offense to a historically bad offense and the only major change is the QB goes down, it’s not flip flopping to think that may be the reason.
I agree that we weren’t as good as our record last year, and I expected a drop off this year, somewhere in the range of 6-8 wins with an outside chance at the playoffs. When Tanny went down, my expectations went to 4-6 wins and I figured that outside chance at the playoffs went to no chance. In that regard I considered the season over when Tanny went down. Not because he is some fantastic QB. It was a simple logical progression.
Rob,
We played Cleveland, San Francisco, the Jets, the Bills, San Diego, Arizona, Cincinnati, and Los Angeles. Every single one of them was under .500. Throw in Baltimore who was 8-8, and i’d call that an easy schedule. 11 of our 16 games were against .500 teams or worse.
The Ravens are no push over neither was cincy in fact we lost those games, we played @ seattle @ rams, SF wasn’t that bad last year the cards! Pittsburgh!
Yes and the rest of the division had the same schedule, so if all the teams in our division have the same schedule and we go 10-6 and get a wild card berth how can you base that on the fact that we had an easy schedule?
we play against the teams in our division, our division has the exact same schedule for all but 2 games, that’s where they give the better teams the tougher two games and the worst teams the easier of the two. I don’t see much of a difference playing Denver and the Texans vs San diego and the titans, their maybe a little edge because Denver was good last year.
the Jets and the Bills had our exact same schedule the only difference was 2 games,
Kong,
There are lots of other reason why this offense isn’t performing well. If people want to think it’s just because Tannehill is out, so be it. I see a whole lot more going wrong than QB play. One year wins and loses aren’t about the QB…the next year it is. Flip flop.
I agree, it’s been a shit show from pretty much everybody involved, from coaches all the way down to the waterboy. These are the same coaches, same scheme, and a lot of the same players from last year.
Rob,
Yet you don’t point out that NE played a similar schedule and ours…except they played a couple better teams….and still won 14 games. Quality of competition matters.
I did point that out, they played at Denver, we played the Titans they played the Texans, we get the edge on that, i think the titans were better than the Texans last year, we played @ SD, i’ll give them the edge on that, it looks as if it’s a wash. bare in mind we were bad in 2015 and they were a top team! I just don’t see how SOS comes into play.
@ denver vs @ SD a little tougher for NE
Texans vs Titans, the Titans were a better team
doesn’t look to me like a big difference, looks like a wash to me.
Kong,
I would also agree. I think losing Tannehill probably netted us a couple extra losses, but I thought we were a .500 team anyway. I just see a lot more going wrong with this team than the drop off…and there most certainly has been one…in QB play.
This is how we should enter the stadium in the Tamp game
I’m so sick of this merry-go-round of starting to climb out of the basement, back to suck, again and again. I’m tired of the Pets, Stealers, and Cowgirls.The NFL is in decline. I hate ‘parity’. It’s a bunch of crappy play from week to week with a couple of teams that stay on top most seasons. It’s a social platform alienating fans. It’s infighting because you suspended my guy. It’s inconsistent punishments and huge egos. It’s time to start playing golf!
Sounds like someone is going bananas . . .
lol
Been a tough year for you my friend. How you feeling about your red birds?
I thought we overachieved to even stay in the race till the last month, so I was happy. I think we’ll be solid but average in the year to come. It’s the baby bears’ division right now. But it’s hard to complain as a Cards fan. 🙂
Yeah — i’m not complaining about my Buccos either…..actually think our young pitching options look strong. But then my base line on success isn’t nearly as high as yours after those twenty-one losing seasons. 🙂
Kong,
obviously you’ve never seen me play golf! Lol
LOL, if it’s anything like my game, it isn’t pretty. 🙂
“…Bob Kraft is a p—y compared to what I’m going to do.”
Too funny. A part of me wants the whole thing to be torn apart and burned to the ground since we’re on the slow road anyway. Egomaniacs and their toys.
Rob,
The quality of your competition matters. Simple as that. We can agree to disagree. I’m cool with that. 😃
I’m looking forward to watching the Vikes play the Rams this weekend….should be a good game.
Definitely a good match up, strengths against strengths and weaknesses against weaknesses.
Me too, great game
Random reply’s to a couple of posts. Maybe ill start out just with the replys and leave it up to you guys to figure out whom im speaking to, that should start at least one fight with someone that completely overshot and thought i was replying to them.
Reply 1: I never disliked Fasano as our TE, but i definitely felt in the Philbin system we had a real need for a move TE, more so than a more pure blocking TE. I didnt really want us spending the money to replace him, when we had a bigger need for a move TE, and therefore more need to spend on that instead. I do feel, though, He always has been one of the more respected blocking TE’s and there are needs for those as much as the others, to a higher degree in Gase’s system than in Philbin’s though.
Gase’s system really needs balanced players at RB and TE. I think he does somewhat want them stagger at their skill level, ie balance but one skills like receiving ability be better from one of them, vs power running from another, vs blocking ability in the third. He needs that because he will have playbook scenarios where he really needs a player to be strong in one of those areas because he is going to be picviotal in that role on that play. He needs all the players to be capable though, in all phases, because it makes it too predictable what play is likely or what role they are, if he cant have them be at least adequate in those roles on other plays.
I think its similar for the TE’s in his offense as well, and Fasano is a better fit than Thomas right now because of that. If Thomas had any moderate amount of run blocking or pass pro ability, id say he was the better one, even as clumsy and slow as his route running looks right now. I think though we are looking more for Maretellus Bennett types. Keeping Sims IMO would have been better for our offense than signing either Fasano or Thomas. I will say this next year is going to be a good year for that type of TE, so maybe we get 1 or 2 from the draft.
Reply 2: The Ajayi trade was not a bad trade. I mean i wish we could have gotten more, almost everyone here im sure would have been, more is more better 🙂 Seriously though, Ajayi had 1 pretty good year. Still wasn’t a great year. You can say look at the number of times he got recognized for how good he did, but 1300 yards isnt a ZOMG number, he had good games and game he disappeared. Where was he in our playoff game, 16 carries, 33 yards…..what about the Pats game, which i believe if we wont changed up our opponent for the playoffs 16 for 59…. in fact you know how many 100+ yard games he had that year? 4. That shows you what Gase was saying, yes he has the talent to be remarkable, but because he doesn’t follow the game plan, he has real stinkers of a game too. In fact i bet if he had got with the program and did what he was asked, he probably would have had closer to 1500 that year, if not more. Fan perspective is a lot of times clouded by love for the player, and i think a lot here are in that place right now.
Just play a good game at home and beat the Bucs. Is that too much to ask?
Not at all. And it will happen.
I think the schedule should be the bottom 16 teams only play bottom 16 teams except for your division. Rather than divisions playing other divisions. That’s where the strength of schedule comes in. When your division plays 2 tough divisions instead of 2 divisions that are down.
In my plan if you finish in 3rd or 4th in your division you wouldn’t face a team that was above 3rd except for your own division.
I’d also be for term limits on divisions. Switch them up every five years.
Maybe they should have dynamic divisions an your record puts you in them. This would have been this years AFC division breakout.
Tier 1 Division
New England
Kansas City
Pittsburgh
Oakland
Tier 2
Miami
Houston
Tennessee
Denver
Tier 3
Buffalo
Baltimore
Indianapolis
Cincinnati
Tier 4
NY Jets
Cleveland
Jacksonville
San Diego
You would always have teams of equal rank playing each other 8 of the 16 games and the word Dynasty would very much mean something because staying in the top tier and yet still finishing in the playoffs every year would pretty much earn significant bragging rights for those fans, and in the lower tier, being able to at least beat up the other retarded kids on your block might do something for them. Im pretty much sure Cleveland would take being the king of the gimps.
not sure under your scenario that the best two teams would be in the champ game.
Ahhhh… kava… where have you BEEN all of my life?!! And I’m drinking it right out of a real split coconut. Can’t believe I’ve never had it before, being my father lives in Hawaii. Just finished my second cup after reading about it last week. THANK YOU, Isaac Asiata and Mike Pouncey!
Randy:
Who cares if our schedule was easy last year? It doesn’t mean we were not a good team. Good teams are supposed to beat the weaker teams. We did. You seem to imply that some how lessens our 10 wins. I don’t see it that way. It means we were a good team. We won the games we were supposed to. I wish we were doing that this year. We are not. The major difference is the QB
we played virtually the same schedule as our entire division played, That would equal 38% of the league. you can only play who they put in front of you. SOS is garbage
16 game (full season) projection: ’16 Tannehill vs ’17 Cutler
RT: 23 TDs, 15 INTs, 3,686 Yards, 67.1%, 36 sacks
JC: 24 TDs, 12 INTs, 3,036 Yards, 65.3%, 26 sacks
Analyze the above stats… and realize that Cutler was still knocking the rust off his arm for the first 4 regular season games while trying to get acclimated to his new teammates. And as an additional note, Matt Moore was shutout against the Ravens… not Jay Cutler.
Now I’m not the smartest man, but I’d say that Cutler has filled in for Tannehill VERY well (minus Adam Gase’s dink-n-dunk play-calling). Cutler’s Y/A this year is at a career low (5.9), down drastically from his career average of 7.2. Tannehill’s career average is 7.0.
Guys, the difference isn’t the QB… it’s the bloody O-Line (can’t run-block this year) and Gase’s inept play-calling: we’ve gone away from the run and just air it out with dink-n-dunks ALL game long.
And if ya don’t think ’16 Ajayi/O-Line didn’t pad some of Tannehill’s stats last year (keeping Defenses honest), I don’t know what to tell ya. Cutler has no running game this year and he doesn’t see 8-in-the-box.
I posted some of our running game stats on Wednesday night… I suggest ya check it out. THAT is where our problems lie on Offense (O-Line), NOT the QB.
I sometimes wonder if we’re all watching the same team. LOL.
Don’t look at the stats but look at the film and there is a huge difference between Tannehill’s play last year and Cutler’s play this year. The Cutler had no pre season line is no longer an excuse. We are in week 10. He is not rusty he is just a shitty QB. The line could be better but that is not the biggest difference. Say what you will about Gase’s play calling but he was calling the plays last season. It’s the QB.
Ken, if you’re calling Cutler a shitty QB, you’re calling Tannehill a shitty QB. Cutler is trending for more TDs and less INTs than Tannehill under the same HC in Gase.
No you are still just looking at stats and numbers. Look at mechanics, willingness to stay in the pocket and take a hit, look at the deep passes from Tannehill last year to Cutler this year. Most importantly look at the results, namely wins. There is little comparison. I don’t care what the numbers say. Jeff George put up great numbers. He wasn’t a great QB. Phil Simms put up pedestrian numbers. He was an excellent QB.
“willingness to stay in the pocket and take a hit”. interesting.
I like the stats MF-13, The only problem i see with it is you’re projecting Cutlers stats and Tannehills are in the books. That said IMO your evaluation is correct. the most elementary play in football and we suck at it. RUN THE DAMN BALL!
We’re not that drunk!
Gase say’s his new Running game has exceeded his expectations! Very Scary!!
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Every thing is peaches and cream in Davie, you wouldn’t know that we just got blown out the last 3 games. these players for Gase are exceeding his expectations! LOL
mf13ss says:
November 17, 2017 at 7:45 pm (Edit)
THANK YOU, Isaac Asiata and Mike Pouncey!
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At least Pouncey and Asiata did something positive this season
I’m being serious when I say I hope this team blows it up at the end of the year & let’s go of some of it’s players.
Trade Tannehill. If we can get the two 2nd’s that has been the estimate of value on him I’d take it. Trade Pouncey if we can. If he’s supposed to be so good at what he does then let’s see what kind of value we can get for him. If we can’t trade him then let him go and save the cap. Cut James as well and save the cap. Finally, cut Suh post June 1 to save the cap. Take the cap and the draft picks and run with it.
I don’t care if this makes us 1-15 next year. We can use a good “suck” year to help us get some better players in the draft. Maybe two good suck years. We don’t have the organizational structure of a Pittsburgh or a Green Bay that allows us to pick in the middle of the pack or later and still get the guys we need to help us out. They pick their players and get it to work. We don’t.
So, I don’t care if we make the playoffs this year because others are sucking worse than we are and we back into it because we get to 8-8 and end up picking in the 20’s again next year.
Keep your eyes on Sutton Smith of Northern Illinois. He’s only a sophomore right now but if you were a big fan of TJ Watt you may like this kid a lot. A real football player.
I gotta give CJ Beathard a lot of credit. He’s a rookie quarterback and if you saw how complicated San Fran’s play calls are you’d understand. San Fran hasn’t played Jimmy G yet because he doesn’t know the offense. He stood on the sidelines during the Giants game and listened to the calls being made on a headset and tried to learn as much as he could.
Beathard can decipher what’s being sent in and knows what play to call. The reason why I give him credit is because we have to dumb down our plays for certain guys and here you’ve got a rookie qb who’s taking the complicated plays and running with it like it’s nothing. The kid is the entire package.
I see we are still debating Tannehill/ Cutler. I haven’t chimed in and I won’t either because I don’t feel either will get us deep into the playoffs or the Super Bowl. …just keep building and hope we have an opportunity to get a QB soon.
On a side note, I’m interested to see how the field will hold up with the Hurricanes playing today and the Dolphins tomorrow. At least the weather looks nice, no rain this weekend.
I also have to agree with OD on Ross. I thought Ross was finally getting a clue and while he is doing some good things helping players with life after football he’s more interested in the “atmosphere” and the stadium “experience” than he is in fielding a professional football team. THAT seems to come 2nd to everything else.
Should’ve known a real estate developer was going to be more interested in sprucing up the venue by remodeling the stadium and bringing in fancy eatin spots and seating than he would be in making sure his team was competitive.
Yep, gotta agree here. He’s still as clueless as he’s ever been and giving the reigns to Tannenbaum should have clued us in on that. As long as this guy owns the team I’m pretty confident we’re stuck in the upside down.
Lou — for the fifth time……have you been to a game since the “spruce up”? For that matter when was the last time you saw a Dolphins home game. Just trying to talk with you man.
No, but who cares? When I go to a stadium to see a game I’m not walking around thinking “wow, what a great stadium. wow, look at these restaurants.” I’m fine with a hot dog with some mustard and a beer.
I come to see the game and the venue makes no difference to me. I want to see a winning football team. If the team isn’t winning I could give a shit what kind of stadium they play in.
Lou – Welcome to 2017 man, where EVERY sports arena is doing the same type of thing Ross did to Hard Rock. You’re not the target anyway, the 1% that can spend on anything and everything are.
Thanks for answering. And the answer is I care cause I do go to some games each year. Maybe it cause I am older now, but man is that shade nice. It has nothing to do with eating places I don’t go to or seats I don’t sit in.
Whens the last time you saw a Phins home game? Or if the answer is not in a while, what teams do you go to watch.
You are correct about that Mike. It’s not about football at the stadium, it’s about catering to the upper class of people who don’t give a shit about the game but would just rather be able to tell their friends they have season tickets and make them jealous of the places they eat at when they’re at the stadium.
Football is an “elitist” sport.
Lou — when you go to a game….why would you care at all what those other people in the stadium are doing? Even if have never been in one….not like luxury boxes haven’t been there for a very long time.
Come to the Fest. We do Dave & Busters, a real nice tailgate and have a great time in the nosebleeds. Not much upper class about it other than Chef Warren’s cooking that he does cause he likes too.
SMH
I just laugh instead
Ken,
It doesn’t make us a good team either. I’m tired of another pointless debate. I guess, to me, the quality of the opponent matters. Would you rather play a team like NE 16 times…or Cleveland? I’m guessing most people would take 16 games against teams like Cleveland because you are probably gonna win a lot more of them. That’s why we have seedlings, first round byes and brackets in playoffs. Strength of opponent matters.
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And, if you are gonna use wins to gauge how good a qb is…..something people around here have been saying shouldn’t be used to judge Tannehill for years….then Tannehill and Cutler are the same as they both have losing records.
Stills sat out practice yesterday cause of a back injury from the day before. Given a questionable tag he’ll probably line up, but still might see some more Carroo.
Not sure what to make of him. Remember watching his highlight reel when we drafted him and they were all like 80% the same play at Rutgers. They pretty much just ran him on an angle like 15-20 yards down the field and let his height/speed combo work on a timed pass against shorter CBs on was obviously the planned play.
And when I see him make catches for us when he is….damn -most times there is the exact same play. Is he just a one-trick pony?
Tannehill and Cutler are both average, flawed QBs. Supporters of either will cherry pick this or that stats or characteristic to back up their opinions. I actually view them as pretty similar. As someone else said, I don’t think either of them have what it takes to get a team to a SB, so I don’t really care what happens with either of them.
Seems Tannehill is the one we are left with for next season though. Pretty clear Cutler won’t be back unless they do trade Tanny and he becomes a stop-gap.
If you are GM what would you do about QB?
Take two like Washington did with RG3 and Cousins. If the team continues to falter and ends up closer to top 10 then go get your guy with that one and take one in the 3rd or 4th. Maybe a guy like Benkert is there or Whiteside.
Ken says:
November 17, 2017 at 10:10 pm
No you are still just looking at stats and numbers. Look at mechanics, willingness to stay in the pocket and take a hit, look at the deep passes from Tannehill last year to Cutler this year. Most importantly look at the results, namely wins. There is little comparison. I don’t care what the numbers say. Jeff George put up great numbers. He wasn’t a great QB. Phil Simms put up pedestrian numbers. He was an excellent QB.
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HUH????????????
So Joey Harrington looked good with his mechanics, could take a hit, and could throw the ball deep… and that made him an excellent QB for putting up goose eggs for stats? And Philip Rivers’ mechanics are all over the place (sidearm, 3/4, overhead) and he puts up numbers… and that makes him a shitty QB despite his stats?
WINS is another stat, and wins come from the TEAM (all phases of the game)… but you want to cherry pick wins/stats????? 😆
Ken, you can’t put our losses on Cutler anymore than one can put our losses on Ajayi… ESPECIALLY being Cutler is putting up the same stats as Tannehill a year ago. And the last time I checked, ADAM GASE is calling the plays (dink-and-dunk)… NOT our QB. Cutler has twice the arm strength of Tannehill, and for whatever reason, Gase is holding Cutler back (have you seen the games/tape?).
My projection was NOT a matter of pitting Tannehill against Cutler or to aggravate anyone into a debate about the two… it was to find out what’s WRONG with our team this year. The QB output is NOT the problem! I don’t care if Cutler looks ugly sipping 8 ounces (ounce by ounce) or if Tannehill looked good chugging a cup… 8 ounces = a cup. Their statistical output is almost exactly the same, minus the dinking and dunking called by Gase with Cutler.
So here’s what I garnered from this exercise…
1) Tannehill and Cutler are equal in their passing output
2) We can’t and won’t run the ball (please see my Wednesday night stats on our running output). The last 3 games, we’re averaging a 2:1 passing to run ratio (one game WITH Ajayi). Unacceptable.
3) Our O-Line is a shadow of what it was last year in run-blocking
4) We’re taking 1/4 fewer sacks this year due to Cutler’s elite pocket presence (watch the games/tape!)
5) Adam Gase must STOP calling bubble screen after bubble screen (seemingly every third play)
Now all things being equal, we should have paid Lamar Miller and continued with a finesse ZBS. Drake runs like Lamar and not Ajayi. If Drake doesn’t break a long run the last two games, he’s averaging about the same YPC as Ajayi. THIS is what we need to look at, along with the dink-and-dunk Gase is having Cutler do.
Please shelve personal feelings about Tannehill or Cutler and look at our team with an unbiased eye. That’s the only way this thing gets fixed… and it’s statistically NOT too late to make the playoffs!!!
GO PHINS!!!
HELL YEAH!!!
stanger,
I don’t think this is a playoff-type team. So, I would try to draft a young QB who I think may be “the guy”. This may end up being a year where we are drafting high enough to do that. Trade Tannehill for some pics and use them…if you want to…to move up in the draft.
Maybe where we differ is I do think we have playoff-type team in us. And they have really locked down the future in a slot of spots with that in mind. Maybe Wentz or Goff say you don’t have to wait as long as before……but if I am smart planning not counting on that unless we go blow it up.
So if the decision is not Tanny, then I would be more likely to throw in the cards for Cousins. He will be a FA next year.
Go get your guy like Philly did for Wentz. Have some BALLS!!
M – Ajayi was basically doing the same thing. If he didn’t have his long runs, he wasn’t doing a whole lot either on most of his runs. Thing is, I think we have to give Drake a chance, he’s basically just getting started here. I think he’s going to get better with playing time.
My question is why weren’t we giving him the shot before? Why are we just seeing this now? If we were doing these things on offense earlier in the season when the defense was playing well maybe we have a much better picture of the situation.
I can’t tell you with any inside knowledge, but my guess was Gase was hoping Ajayi was going to do what he wanted, but when that wasn’t happening, he got fed up and made the move. Just guessing here, as we all are.
AGREED!!!
We’ve GOT to fix our O-Line this offseason.
It has to be a priority, along with TE
I kept HAMMERING the point before last draft… we MUST address our O-Line no later than day 2 of the Draft. My guys were Pat Elflein and Dion Dawkins… BOTH are playing well this season as rooks.
Dawkins is the guy I wanted, but he’s not starting for BUF. I still think he’s going to be a good player, but time will tell.
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stanger,
FA is always a possibility. I’m not sure Cousins is all that much better than Tannehill but maybe he is. I don’t think we can be a playoff team until we get this OL fixed. It’s just too much of a liability at this point.
Part of why I say we stick with Tanny and go OL strong in either FA or the draft. But then that was what was thinking last year too……but with the D draft last year even more now.
I still question whether or not Ajayi was a problem in the locker Coker room. I kind of think that was spin by the FO. If it were true, why did every player who spoke about him seemed shocked that he was traded? Wouldn’t they have been aware of issues in the locker room? And, if there were issues and all the players were clueless, what does that say about the locker room leadership? Something smells like a week-dead carp.
Agreed, and why was Ajayi not benched as he and Maxwell were last year? Both rebounded very well after the fact. So Gase benched Maxwell again this year… but why not Ajayi???
Did he have to be a problem in the locker room for Gase to be frustrated with him not following the plays? He may not have been a problem necessarily with teammates, but I believe he complained about not getting enough carries and stuff like that, but today’s athletes are used to bitching like that.
Lou – I’m a big baseball fan, and every stadium has those really nice seats right behind home plate. In many stadiums, most of them are empty, but certain big market teams and places where baseball fans are extremely passionate, like St. Loo, Boston, The Bronx, they fill them up, and when they do, it’s probably close to 50% of their take on all ticket sales. Us regular fans are not the ones they care about, as sad as the truth is.
Most definitely.
that’s why I said the majority of the fans at the games anymore aren’t about the team as much as they are about the stadium, the amenities and the atmosphere more than they are actual fans of the team.
They don’t care if the team wins or loses. It’s all about the “experience”. To me, the experience is all about a winning team. It’s a crying shame.
“it’s okay Jennie. our team lost again but, hey, I bought you one of those $40 steak sandwiches at one of those fancy eatin places inside the stadium so it’s all good”
LOL – pretty much
The way I see it, Gase, Tannenbaum, and Grier are the prime suspects for this year’s woes.
The O-Line has taken a major step backward this year (didn’t address it until the 5th Round with Asiata, who has yet to see the field), Gase is losing the locker room (we all saw the team lay down on Monday night) after trading Ajayi, and Gase won’t stop calling dinks-and-dunks with Cutler.
We can’t move the ball between the 20s, but we’re killer in the redzone this year if we ever get there. Dinking and dunking between the 20s is NOT going to get us to the redzone. THROW MID/DEEP more often. WE HAVE PLAYMAKERS. DON’T GIVE UP ON THE RUN.