Forget the matchups, forget who’s playing where, forget how many PPG we have or they have, forget about all of that. I’m not wasting my time researching that crap when this team does one thing consistently, underdeliver. NO ONE on this team is living up to the back of his football card (You can all debate that if you like) What this team needs to do, and I don’t care how Gase has to get them to do it, is come out, and smack some team in the mouth. As soon as they get on the field, impose their will, and show that team this is not going to be their day. Not once this season has this team beat up on anyone. We haven’t enjoyed one victory where it was a clear cut win where we were firing on all cylinders. Instead we’ve had to endure at least 2-3 quarters of WTF! football almost every game.
Sunday we host a team playing as poorly as us. I know the ANY GIVEN SUNDAY deal, but it’s time for this team to show a sign of life, and kick someone’s teeth in! We have been beaten down and shut out and embarrassed and undressed and tied to motorboats and have the fishes eat at us, but ENOUGH! Time for this team to give us a game where they kick ass from start to finish, a good old fashioned ass kicking BLOWOUT!
I’m not going to post the usual slogans on the bottom, GO DOLPHINS! Zero in! I think they take that too literally, and they’re trying so hard to get zero.
Finsmob Unleashed 
Bills QB change looks like it’s working out well
At least I can take joy in the misery of others
Did I mention… never mind.
What team is excited they get to play us next? I haven’t looked at the schedule in awhile.
All of them.
@Pats next….. Our offensive numbers should improve at least.
We play the Pats twice (0-2), Denver (pick ’em), Bills twice (1-1) and @ KC (loss).
For sure the rest is tough. At this point people worrying about were we pick in the draft very well may have a point. But thoughts of playoffs ended today no matter what…..we have time to adjust.
Offense got 448 yards today and D only gave up 321.
We had 7.5 yards per play….they had 5,2.
We went 6-13 on 3rd downs and they went 3-13.
Almost enough to make you think turnovers do matter.
Turnovers and phantom calls. We overcame the TOs but the officials had other ideas.
There were some bad calls but that happens. We are playing like shit right now, with no sort of consistency on either side of the ball.
However I am still perplexed as to how that wasn’t a safety…
We lost because Ross is a poor leader. Losing Maleuga before this game really hurt us. Lol.
New NFL rule
A safety will only occur if you are not the Dolphins and you sack the qb in the endzone
No shit.
Hindsight is 20/20, but signing Cutler was a waste of $10 million. I understand that overall Cutler is a better QB, but we should have rolled with Moore this season- it wouldn’t have turned out much differently if we had.
It was but I get why it was done.
I do too.
All of 3rd down conversions were with Moore on the field
With our remaining schedule, 7-9 looks like a dream, with 6-10 more likely.
I’m hoping for 4-12 and then we will have a shot at Barkley!
We had a TD and Safety taken away. That’s a potential 9 point swing. I felt like this was a Vegas game. Money rules the roost. Please don’t ruin sports. Boxing is done. Which one is next?
What TD was taken away?
Fasano, no offensive PI there on him or Thomas.
Oh yeah. That was a bull shit call.
6-7 points, not 3.
I too believe that Gase wants to throw the ball, we had a probowl back 1200 + yards last year with the same OL minus Albert. why are we not having the same success?
Gase is a QB whisperer and is an inexperienced HC.
stangerx says:
November 19, 2017 at 4:39 pm
Running game is not working cause the OL sucks. How do you think Gase can fix that before end of season?
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olddolphan says:
November 19, 2017 at 4:56 pm
Bigger question: What if Gase still believes the O-Line is just fine???
stangerx says:
November 19, 2017 at 4:57 pm
I don’t think he does and has said he does not often….what makes you think he does?
O-Rob…not why you thought my quote on that relevant and know that you know we had Larsen, Young and Davis in there today.
what happened on the 4th and 1? he hands it up the middle to a guy who has no business going up the middle from a tail back position, why didn’t he bring in the TE Gray from the full back position and power the 1st down, at that distance gray is unstoppable. that should be his short yardage bread and butter, he used it before yet he runs moore on one play and williams on the next giving the ball back to Tampa.
not a good coaching decision
We should have no problem gaining one yard. Our OL is not very good.
I disagree, the play was lame, williams is not a between the tackles RB, he was too far off the LOS for his size and running style. if they put gray in at FB and run him up the middle they make that 1st on 3rd down.
It was a Coaching error
I turned off the game after the FG and I just saw the score. TB got another TD?
it was on the kickoff fumbleroosky garbage time play. the sad part of that was they made Miami come back on the field so Tampa could kick the extra point to add insult to injury
I don’t think our problems stem from a lack of quality personnel.
I think our problem lies with its leadership.
Gase is in over his head
I don’t think that he is in over his head. He had very good success last year.
Because we were able to run the ball last year
So Gase is on the field blocking? I’m not following.
I never said anything about Gase on the field blocking?
LOL… sigh……..
The loss of Tannehill hurt this team more than people will admit. That are injury to Miller and Larsen all before we took a snap in the regular season is a lot to overcome
we won games without tannehill when we run the ball.
it doesn’t matter who’s back there at qb if we have a RB that can make positive yardage up the middle and run 25 times a game we are hard to beat. on the other hand if we pass 50 times a game we are winless
Tim,
If it makes you feel any better, I’m with you 100% with you on the zebras. We made the appropriate adjustments after halftime, but they STOLE the game from us. And there were so many flags thrown that the game wasn’t over until 4:30… that’s telling enough.
We EASILY lost well over 125 yards on penalties alone (I’m talking about positive yards that were negated by penalties, not yards penalized), not to mention the points lost.
That was one of the worst officiated games I’ve EVER seen. There’s zero doubt in my mind that the game was rigged against us.
Godwin killed us on that final drive…
Yup, he sure did. PSU represented.
Tim,
I think we got hosed on the non-safety, but we didn’t do ourselves any favors after the fact. We received the ball and returned to to the 35, had a ten yard penalty on the play and couldn’t even muster a first down after that.
2 pts makes it 20-15 with plenty of time left and a punt getting the ball back. The NFL is rigged. Nobody thought that was the right call except the ref. WTF is going on?
Gase commented on a post game interview last year that he told his staff to make sure he didn’t get away from running Ajayi.
That Raised red flags for me, that comment is scary, why would he say that?
I’ll tell you why, because he’s a pass happy coach, and that’s great if you can pull an unbalanced game plan off, Apparently this team cant
NFL officiating is generally not good lately
It came back to haunt us
But all those penalties today are also a reflection of lack of discipline
I’m tired of hearing the excuses, and everybody seems to have a differing excuse.
Brian maybe you missed this, look at the numbers, they don’t lie, when we run the ball 23 times or more we win, when we don’t we lose.
I can tell you by looking at these stats why we traded Ajayi. it’s because i’d bet Ajayi was screaming at Gase to give him the ball and Gase got aggravated with it.
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WIN 1. 28 carries rushed for 122 yards.W
LOSS 2. the Jets ajayi ran 11 times for 16 yards
LOSS 3. new orleans ajayi ran 12 times for 46 yards
WIN 4. titans Ajayi ran 25 times for 77 yards W
WIN 5. Atl Ajayi ran 26 times for 130 yards
WIN 6. NYJ Ajayi ran 23 times for 51 yards
LOSS 7. Balt Ajayi ran 13 times for 23 yards
LOSS 8. raiders 16 RB carries
LOSS 9. carolina 16 RB carries
LOSS 10. TB 17 RB carries
O Rob, I did some advanced research and we never lost a game where Ajayi ran for 77 yards or greater.
this year we haven’t lost a game where he ran more than 23 times even though some games he didn’t pick up a lot of yardage. you have to run the ball to win it’s that simple.
if i’m running this show that’s my number one priority, run the ball, i would be jamm’n guys up the middle all day long until they got it.
in practice that is
ocalarob says:
November 19, 2017 at 7:19 pm (Edit)
what happened on the 4th and 1? he hands it up the middle to a guy who has no business going up the middle from a tail back position, why didn’t he bring in the TE Gray from the full back position and power the 1st down, at that distance gray is unstoppable. that should be his short yardage bread and butter, he used it before yet he runs moore on one play and williams on the next giving the ball back to Tampa.
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If Ajayi was here, he would have bounced it to the outside, and got taken down for a 5 yard loss.
if we ran gray from the full back position we make a 1st every time. poor coaching decision
Maybe, maybe not, but with the O-line as it was constituted at the time, with Tunsil, Larsen, Pouncey, Davis and Young, Gase went with Pouncey, and he lost. I can understand why he went that way though.
Seriously? If we didn’t block it you’d say why did we do that? You really think it’s all about the running game?
I know it is Tim, you have to have a balanced attack, you can’t win throwing the ball 50 times
Oy!
Back in the early sparano days parcells had his bread and butter back to pick up the short yardage, he ran Polite up the middle from a FB position and he would gain at least 2 yards every time. anytime we were in 3rd or 4th and 1 yard polite would pick it, he was unstoppable.
I had seen Gase use Gray in a similar situation and he picked it up, my question is why didn’t he go back to that today?
you have to have high percentage plays for certain situations and use them.
Gase was lost in that situation. it just raises red flags for me.
this guy is not a good HC
I hated the Parcell days way more than I hate our current HC and team. Parcells took the keys to the franchise, and flushed it down the toilet with Ireland, Sparano, Henning and Pasqualoni. That was a shitshow if I ever saw one.
I know, i’m just using Polite as an example, i’m sure you remember him, he was our bread and butter in short yardage, he never missed he always picked up the 1st from the FB position and a short hand off.
you have to have that I had seen gase use Gray in that fashion.
NEs bread and butter is a Brady QB sneak, he quickly gets to the line and makes it every time.
my question is where was it today, what’s really concerning is when we didn’t pick it up on 3rd down he tried another lame play and didn’t pick it up on 4th.
on 4th down why didn’t he turn to gray? A coaching error for sure. Gase is lost out there
If Ross would just sell the team, our team would play better!
Yes 4-12 and 1-15 was glorious under Huizenga. LOL
Parcells in Miami w/o Pennington
20W – 28L – NO THANKS rotten Tuna!
What does this even mean? How do you rate Owners, GMs and Coaches?
This means that Parcells came here and really half-assed his job here. He was lazy about it, put together a shitty staff of some old cronies (Henning and Pasqualoni) and an inexperienced over his head HC (Sparano), and let them do as they please. Parcells may have done a fantastic job elsewhere, but he never really wanted to come here, he just couldn’t resist the contract Ross gave him.
He’s been gone since 2010.
I think you got that wrong Mike, Parcels contract had a due on sale clause when the team was sold to Ross so the reality was Parcells was working for free for Ross, Ross never came to him to restructure a deal. at least that’s what i heard.
if true i can you expect a guy to focus when he’s not getting paid?
Everybody else is always the answer…..
Like i said, i dont think the Miami dolphins personnell is the reason we are losing, i think it’s all on the coach.
The play in the NFL is down because they are not focused on the job at hand. It’s a money grab for most and a few teams have it in place. I’m really close to being done. Don’t want to be but I can’t root for phony.
How about Drake running for 4 yards on 7 carries today?
Baffling to me. They decided to showcase Williams today, but how or why that happens, I don’t think I’ll ever understand. I know you don’t give a rats ass about FF, but I was so sure Drake was going to have a big game today, I played him over Jordan Howard. OUCH!
Well there are a few bright spots
McDonald, picking up where he left off at Carolina, flew around fearlessly, logging five tackles, a pass defensed and a tackle for loss. On a first-and-goal from the 5, Bucs running back Doug Martin tried a run off right guard. McDonald, with no hesitation of late change in direction, drilled Martin like a cannon shot, driving him back a yard. While Martin is a smaller individual, the play was reminiscent of the famous Steve Atwater-Christian Okoye collision in 1990. There is no available video of the Martin hit, but the bast from 27 years in the past is always awesome to watch. Check it out. — SS
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-20-things-we-learned-tampa-bay-buccaneers-at-miami-dolphins-20171119-photogallery.html
Rob
Polite was great in short yardage, but does MarQueis Gray = Lou Polite? Gray his 6 rushes in his entire career, which is 4 years. I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s a gimme just because he’s in the backfield occasionally.
maybe you missed it but gase used Gray in a similar fashion, i forgot what game it was but it was very recent, post Ajayi and Gray plowed thru easily from a FB position short handoff just like Polite. and this is why i find fault in Gase, why din’t he go back to that today?
he didn’t pick it up on 3rd down so now your in 4th down and you still dont use it!
Gray would have picked up that 1st
What it comes down to, is there wasn’t any running room. Williams has carried the ball in a bunch of short yardage situations, and we used him on goal line situations a lot last year too. If the blocking isn’t there, it doesn’t matter who the ballcarrier is
U think it does, when you have a 240lbs Full back taking the handoff from a short position it’s very tough for a defense to stop him from gaining 2 yards.
what we did was have a RB from standing 7 yards behind the LOS take the handoff there’s a huge difference in the 2 plays, the D can’t get set to take on the FB from such a short distance not to mention his size vs a light RB coming from way back in that scenario the D has more time to react and less weight to deal with.
Football 101, short yardage Mike, Full Back up the Middle, it works
Tim
ORob brought up Parcells and his running game, so I felt the need to bury Parcells, because I’ll never forgive him the way he handled his job here. That’s all there is to it. In my eyes, he was as bad, or worse than Saban.
Mike, Parcells was in place before Ross. Huizenga hired him and sold him along with the team to Ross.
OK, but was he only under contract for a year or so, and then Ross made him an offer to stay? I know Ross overpaid him somewhere down the line, I’m almost positive. Then he ended up leaving early anyway, in the middle of the night. Tuna-Douche!
LOL @ “Tuna-Douche”! Is he related to Shanadouche?!! 😀
Ross never paid him, he didn’t have a contract with ross he was still working on his prior contract, that;s why he left
He might as well be! I absolutely can’t stand the Tuna. I think about his resume in every other stop he made in the NFL, and then think about how he handled our team, and I just seethe with anger.
A new HC in 2016 leading the team to 10-6 and playoffs after a 1-4 start, falling to 4-6 in 2017 is going nowhere. Stop wasting your time. Gase will be HC and Tannehill will be starting at QB in 2018 with the exception of the obstacles of earth. LOL
Get used to it and go from there. I bet ya! LOL
You may be right for the short term Tim but if gase doesn’t get a between the tackles RB and commit to a balanced attack, we will lose and he will get fired
We tried to be balanced today but when you fall behind and don’t execute you do whatever it takes to tie the game that the officials tried so hard to take away, which they did. Did I say fuck them?!!!! LOL
I agree you can’t continue to run when you lose yardage, the key is to have a good blocking scheme and a big between the tackles RB that can pick up the tough yardage.
if you don’t go in that direction you can’t expect to win
Like it or not…success in the running game is mostly on the OL…not the RB. Really good running backs can make a bigger difference, but it’s on the OL….especially in very short yardage plays. Pouncey almost never gets push in short yardage plays. We’ve sucked at it for a long time. It was a bad play call. A badly designed short yardage play. And stupid to try it behind a guy who struggles to move people. It was just dumb all around.
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THANK YOU, RANDY!!!
Rob – Didn’t he leave early on his current contract? Why was Ross supposed to pay him more? Because of the shitty job he did with our team? A Shitshow Bonus? lol
made the playoffs in 2008, I think Ross took over in 09, he had a (due on sale clause) in his contract, that means he can collect his contract and renegotiate another deal.
Ross said he was going to re-up his contract but never did so he took what was owed and split, he siad he waited but ross didn’t budge, you cant do your job under those conditions.
i think ross wanted him gone
McDonald has looked really good. If he and Jones continue playing the way they can, we may end up with one of the better safety combos in the league. It’s been a while since we could say that.
Didn’t he allow a TD? 🙂
We may or may not have made that 1st using Gray, Who knows we didn’t try it.
but that’s my point! Gase doesn’t have a bread and butter short yardage play or at least he doesn’t use it. it seems he makes decisions on the fly.
He’s probably a great coach but he’s in experienced and it shows
Tim,
Oh geez. You always want every player to be perfect! Lol
JK/BB
My God, we lost 30-20. I thought it was 23-20. I didn’t realize we gave up a touchdown on the final kickoff. Holy shit is this team inept. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a bigger joke of a football team EVER in the NFL. Seriously. This team just continues to do things that just irritates the shit out of me.
That score meant nothing, 4 seconds left tossing it around. We lost on a FG because once again we put it all on the defense. We should have won this game 30-20. The officials decided not today.
I didn’t see the game because I decided weeks ago I’m not wasting my Sundays on this team but I did watch the highlights.
They show the turnovers but not the penalties to I didn’t get to see what happened. I don’t have Game Pass anymore so I can’t look. All I know is we played like shit so I’m not so sure it really matters.
Rob,
Gase isn’t a great coach. He’s a young, inexperienced HC learning his way. It’s his second year, so I am okay with giving him some time to learn and show what he is. But, the reality in the NFL is coaches simply don’t get more than about 3 years to prove anything. I think the jury is still out on Gase, but he’s not gonna get a lot more time unless he starts winning again.
Ross has a history of hiring in experienced coaches, in fact that’s all he hires.
Gase has to focus on establishing a running game, if he doesn’t he’s toast.
I’d like to see Harbaugh here, i guarantee you we would run the ball then.
Philbin and Gase. That’s a history since 2012?
Yessss
ocalarob says:
November 19, 2017 at 8:32 pm
made the playoffs in 2008, I think Ross took over in 09…
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Yes, Ross took over in ’09. HWH wanted out before Obama took office (yes, this is well documented).
He built an empire on VHS tapes which was dying
Be sold all 3 of his teams
Frustrating isn’t it?
Tim,
I know! I gotcha.
Rob,
Harbaugh can’t coach professionals. He’s too big an asshole, and nobody wants to take his crap unless they’re 19 and don’t know better. It’s Sabanitis. Lol
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Agreed!
He’s a proven winner, maybe that’s what we need, if he’s in charge players have to take his crap.
Harbaugh had a stout running game, that’s why he was successful
I hope you all have a good night, mike and tim say goodnight to your Gase fathead on your ceiling for me, se you guys tomorrow
Just keep your hand out of his fly. LOL
Philbin
7-9
8-8
8-8
1-3
Gase
10-6 (playoffs)
4-6
Yep… time to start over. Geez, oy and anything else you can think of. Oh yeah we’ve used 3 QBs this year. That’s always an awesome way to play a season. Stop and think and stop being silly. LOL
Rob,
Not at the pro level they don’t. Plus, he’s also got to work with all the other people in the FO too. It’s not just players he can’t work with.
He most definitely wore out his welcome in SF
Garrett was an inexperienced head coach when Dallas hired him and his head coaching record isn’t all that stellar. 5-3 as an interim in his first year followed by three 8-8 seasons and then a pretty good season and then a shit season.
Last year they go 13-3 with a rookie qb and rb and now Dallas is struggling a little bit. So, I’m not against hiring an inexperienced head coach but the problem I think the Dolphins have is the lack of a strong organizational structure from top to bottom and an inexperienced head coach needs strong leadership at the top and strong support from other areas as well like the scouting department and his coaching staff.
LOL Rob! – I keep asking Fathead to make a Gase Fathead, but they don’t have them for HC’s. Bummer!
Dallas supposedly has one of best OL in the league and they are a mess. So…..must be the owner.
That Philly O-line looks pretty awesome. Doesn’t matter which RB is in, they are all killing it.
Other teams have had playoff berths decades in the running, but some people still choose to be dolphins fans. Just like some people like stepping on a Lego block as the wander blindly through their living room, getting a splinter under a finger nail, hitting their thumb with a hammer, twisting their ankle stepping into a hole, or pissing on an electric fence. For everyone else you can have more than one year of success separating decades of disappointment. Don’t be a Dolphins fan, choose another team. Offer not available in Cleveland.
Lol
Btw best hit of the game was MacDonald on Martin that shit made me grimace when I watched it. Surprised he didn’t get flagged by those refs for it
The whole thing is pretty nuts, football on the pro level is difficult but at the same time we are making it harder than it is
last season the offense was not clicking either somehow we kept pulling out wins but there were many painful to watch games, this season ,,,,wow
man I love the Dolphins, my hometown team, kept season tickets for many years, don’t expect to make the playoffs every year and the Super Bowl is like catching lightning in a bottle may never happen but one can hope lol
I can live with middle of the road if I get to watch 16 competitive inspired games, but this crap is old already
I’m a believer that defense wins this game, you need a solid running game to compete late in the season and a quarterback that can manage the game well, special teams need to do their part and you can hang with any other team out there, any given Sunday philosiphy
At this point I don’t care who stays OR goes if it makes my team better, just field some guys who care
Giving up Ajayi for a 4th was a bad deal, at the time. but now since we are doomed it may be all right since he was a distraction. Maybe after the league year we can trade others such as pouncey for a pick, stock up on picks and revamp this OL with hungry mauler type run blockers.
But first you have to realize that you need an established running game.
what makes me scratch my head is Mike Tannenbaum, he knows the value of a running game as he had one in NY. Maybe the trade to philly giving up on Ajayi was a sign that they folded the tent this year, maybe the Tannehill injury was more than they thought they could over come.
By giving up on Ajayi it would have to improve our draft status.
this is the only logical explanation i can come up with, It’s not Tbaum like to not have a running game, he had a great one with Thomas Jones that took Sanchez to back to back champ games
Tweet of yesterday
Sorry Damien, your are what your record and what evaluators say you are. A below average team with the worst offense in the league, which is sloppy, inconsistent and undisciplined. A team which has had to face adversity many times this year but without sufficient depth to overcome that adversity. A team without a starting QB which brought in one of the most inconsistent QBs to ever play the game, with whom you will never win a championship, and a serviceable back-up. A team with little depth in some areas, which regularly loses the battle at the LOS on both sides of the ball which results in more losses. A team which regularly embarrasses itself in prime time. A team with a weekly side show of bizarre off-field indiscretions. A team without identity, leadership and composure. You are, also, a team which commits too many penalties, killing drives, spurning opportunities and beating yourself. The Pats MO is to let you beat yourself with your own mistakes. They must be looking forward to HFA in the play-offs (again) after sweeping us (off their shoes).
What with the dubious calls, the number of dusters and the dysfunctional dolphins, I am like a lot of posters on here …………… sick to death of this ineptitude and wondering why I bother.
professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
November 19, 2017 at 8:47 pm (Edit)
I didn’t see the game because I decided weeks ago I’m not wasting my Sundays on this team but I did watch the highlights.
They show the turnovers but not the penalties to I didn’t get to see what happened. I don’t have Game Pass anymore so I can’t look.
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This explains a lot
You cut out the last sentence.
Tannenbaum had the likes of Thomas Jones, Ladanian Tomlinson and Shonn Greene, do the RBs Wiiliams and Drake match up with the NY ones? NFW!
That’s the head scratcher, WTF is he doing!
I see a lot of the chatter here is the same conversation we’ve heard for several years (except when Albert was healthy last year and Tunsil played LG)…. OL problems and running game.
Fins have a defective philosophy about “plug anyone in at Guard” as long as Tackles and Center are ‘studs’. With two ‘healthy’ studs last year, J-Train made a name for himself running through the left side.
We saw last year that a dominant run game can hide flaws at QB position.
FIX the OL (not with retreads or ‘anyone can play Guard’) … we’ll control the clock more, our ‘rested’ defense can continue to improve, and even a backup QB can keep an opposing defense honest with the ability to fake a handoff effectively. just my monday morning opinion.
I saw enough from Williams yesterday to think we’d be in good shape if OL wasn’t so inconsistent.
Giants are ‘finding themselves’… With our schedule remaining we could certainly end up with a top four pick…. and tbh, now that the reality that we can’t replace Tanny sinks in…
… a team that loses a starting QB a drops to a top five pick… can readily get back to the playoffs the following season … Maybe take another LT and move Tunsil back to Guard? Maybe take a QB who actually enters the NFL with the ‘intangibles’ of an elite QB (not a desperation ‘gotta have a QB’ pick).
If Tanny would have had surgery right away, I’d feel better … but I have an odd feeling that we could see a repeat of his injury next camp/early season.
Back to work. I’ve complained into this empty room more than I usually do on a Monday (recently)… and the echoes got me spooked. 🙂
Hard to win with 4 TO and all the penalties. Still could have but refs were calling plays like our O line played. Still, as I tell my 10 year old, dont leave it up tot he refs lol.
Im telling you, I said it the other day I can see the future. We will be awful the rest of this year. The awfulness will be rationalized by all of the injuries, hurricanes and coke snorting off of “entertainers” bodies. Then RT17 comes back and we stumble badly out of the gate because our 1st round picks are developing and the 4th round pick for Ajayi (we will take a Tackle and convert him to Guard) will underperform. The front office will be seem as terrible as we still cant find good Guards and stench of the 10M to Smoking Jay will still be fresh. The wipe the slate clean at the bye week and we are onto the 2019 draft. Happy Monday Fins Fans.
If we dont win another game (which seems far gecthed to me) there is a chance we get top 5 or just outside top 5
But I think it’s very unlikely we have a top 10 pick
Unfortunately I think not winning another game is well within the realm of possibility. Especially if we continue to play Cutler
I’m just saying even if that happens we probably won’t move up too much in the draft
Reached the point where the Suck for Luck factor does come into play. Will root for the Phins each game, but each loss will have that silver lining to it.
Lot of bad teams
Not sure we move up much in draft position
Agree on that, but whatever happens the more losses we have the better it should be. But for sure top 5 has just as much chance to it as making the playoffs.
Broncos just fired Mike Mccoy, offensive coordinator.
Know it is tricky, but the hit on Cutler that took him out of the game at end of the first half didn’t really look all that bad. It was a glancing arm to his helmet.
Am sure he complained but given the way Cutler played in the first half — my conspiracy theory includes Gase saying into his headset “tell Doc we want him on the protocol and to make the first question who was Millard Fillmore’s Treasury Secretary.”
lol, i thought the same thing.
We don’t really have a lot left to root for this season, other than the hopes that we beat the Patriots and somehow screw up their playoff position. Amazing how everyone thought it was the Chiefs year early on, and w/o the run game, the fantastic Alex Smith, who was an MVP candidate came crashing down along with the rest of the team. The only teams in the AFC that look like legit SB contenders are NE and Pittsburgh (no surprise), but the Jags are playing some serious defense, so I’ll count them in, even with Bortles at QB.
Doesn’t take much to cause a concussion or at least put you in the protocol which keeps you out of the game. I have seen people get a one to the helmet and be out a game. It really doesn’t take much and it’s a progressive disorder so you have to factor in how many previous ones he has had
I don’t think Gase has to make up a reason to take him out, he is the coach after all
Part of why I called is a conspiracy theory….. Am still betting that they weren’t trying to rush him back in the game either. Plus am guessing that calling him out made the emergency QB available.
Bushrod probably retires at the end of this season, and we may not have Ja’Wuan James back either next year, that may depend on the state of his hamstring injury. Who knows if Larsen is even worthy of keeping, so we may be looking for 3 or possibly even 4 new starters on the o-line, and I’m fine with that. We’re going to have to spend in FA on the O-line, you can’t draft 3-4 new starters. Some young OL (under 30) available next year . . .
LG Xavier Su’a-Filo
LG/RT Justin Pugh
LG Luke Joeckel
LG Jonathan Cooper
LT Greg Robinson
LT Nate Solder
RG/RT D.J. Fluker
C Ryan Jensen
RG Josh Kline
C Weston Richburg
RG/LG Jack Mewhort
C Brian Schwenke
There’s a few others, I just got tired of making this list. lol
I like Jackson and Schad, get stuff out of Mando, Hyde and even Omar at times but James Walker not too much. He sure wasn’t saying this was supposed to be Miami’s year even before the Tanny went down.
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“This was supposed to be Miami’s year. The team was coming off a 10-win playoff run and added several pieces to shore up its holes. Yet 10 games in it is crystal clear the Dolphins will be sitting at home in January. This year’s team isn’t nearly as disciplined, clutch or detailed in its execution.”
Full http://www.espn.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/26879/dolphins-have-long-road-ahead-to-improve-in-present-and-future
Mike, getting OL from FA is usually a really bad idea. Super expensive, and usually overpriced, because of supply and demand. I don’t think we can afford to go that route. Maybe 1, but likely that about all we would be able to do in FA
I tend to think FA is safer for OL than the draft
Lot of early draft picks on the OL not working out lately
But yeah – I don’t think we can afford much OL help
I can see 1 or 2 D. We can’t replace everyone in the draft. If we don’t pick up more than 1, we’ll have to keep James and Larsen, and probably Pouncey, and expect more of the same shitty O-line play. Expecting it to be any different would be insane.
Not all of these guys are top $$$ free agents either, so keep that in mind
A top RT is going to be 14-16 a year, too OG last year signed a 12per deal. Last time a top OC was signed in FA was around 10-12 per. We have 17 mil in space, with no one re-signed, you think we can eat a 26 mil investment on the OL?
Piggy, I’d agree with you normally but recently the FA pickups have been bust as well. They just have been much more expensive disappointments
This is a upside down year in the NFL for a bunch of teams. It is what it is so we just gotta swallow this pill and keep plugging away. We don’t really have another choice
Mike if they aren’t top players why do we want them as replacements? You expect to replace good players with mediocre and change how well the OL looks?
They will be top money types if they are the top players available.
You guys are knee jerking all over the place, we need to make changes yes but we ain’t fixing this in one offseason especially with our cap situation.
You can’t expect to have good results replacing 60% of the OL and half the position players on offense all in the same offseason.
We need to start moving towards changes like adding starters to the OL who can take over soon, but like I said before, Pouncey we need for another year if possible, especially if we think James might be a more likely to replace guy, which at this point it’s looking like it. We might have to get a starter in the draft or FA at RT, so we need to make OC a guy who can develop a year behind Pouncey to help prep for him being gone the next. It’s much better for continuity to not try to do both simultaneously with no guarantee on the results
Not everyone had a bad game yesterday. Kenny Stills had 7 catches on 8 targets for 180 yards and a TD.
Yeah was a good game for him, I just wish he was getting open like that most games
Unless we trade him he is part of the future. As is Parker…..who did not have a good game.
He is for sure here at least one more year. He costs more to trade him or cut him than keep him. I also don’t think he is one of those mentioned as in the dog house
We made a ton of big plays in the game but screwed ourselves with TOs and the refs screwed us royally. I don’t think the OL was that bad.
Hard for me to get away from all the false starts to say they were good, but could have been worse.
False starts sucked but when we ran plays they were not bad.
Tunsil had two false starts, the second I’m convinced was due to crowd noise in the end zone. Whole line jumped, he just got called for it. The one he did before that was just a slight early step, like he maybe it was a timing snap and he was a half step ahead.
The rule if thumb is if you ate having trouble hearing or it’s a timing snap to use your periphia to watch for the snap. So he should have avoided those, but it’s like watching a game show and thinking you would have answered all the questions right, until you are in that position and everything is split second, you really have no idea about how tough is
I had to go back and look at my final mocks from 2012 to 2015 to see who my top 4 picks then and were they available when we picked. Of course, we traded up & down a bit so this isn’t 100% accurate (Players that were available are in all caps):
2012
LB LUKE KUECHLY (M13 had me leaning toward Bruce Irvin who was available also)
QB KIRK COUSINS (Tim and I were both real high on him)
TE Dwayne Allen
CB BRANDON BOYKIN
2013
CB XAVIER RHODES
TE TRAVIS KELCE
OT Terron Armstead (another M13 turned me on to)
DE Alex Okafor
2014 (I was being a ND homer this year, LOL)
OG Zack Martin
DL Stephon Tuitt
TE Troy Niklas
OT Morgan Moses
2015
RB Todd Gurley
OT Jake Fisher
LB KWAN ALEXANDER
OG Mitch Morse
Where would we be if they had listened to me in 2012/2013 and those 5 players were on our roster right now? Probably no where cause I had no luck drafting OL either, LOL! The only players they listened to me on were later picks in Bobby McCain and BJ Cunningham. I got one right and one not so much. I guess in 2014/2015 I was reaching a lot. Some of you had told me that I remember.
Son was really high on Cousins, not me. I don’t remember if I liked him or not. That was a long time ago. LOL
Others I had mocked who were available in past drafts were WR Torrie Smith and LG Jonathan Cooper.
Cooper has been a real disappointment so far in his career, he is having an ok year this year some good some bad
I had cousins as a fallback option at QB if we didn’t take Tanny sane as Tim if I remember correctly
Gase said he feels like the offsides likely due to a difference in cadence after QB switch, or at least partially to blame. I could definitely see that because like I said, those guys are trying to time their first step so they get a head start on the defense
Its been a problem all season
It was worse this game though
Maybe its cause they have had a bit of transition at the O-line coaching position.
I did not like Morgan Moses, that was James year and I wanted him over Moses
Same as MikeE. I think that was same year Mike and I were all in on Gabe Jackson
I liked Kwon Alexander, and Armstead but I didn’t think the round you guys were picking him in.
I would love to have had Keuchkly, he is the best pure modern 4-3 MLB. That was the year that we took Tanny though, so that would change a whole bunch if other decisions. We also picked up 2 LBs in FA that year too. So unlikely that would have ever happened. I did have Keuchkly mocked to us and us taking cousins later in a mock I did after FA, after we picked up Garrad and I thought they might not go QB early
The false starts happening every game this far in the season are driving me crazy
I do think that goes back to coaching and lack of discipline
Losing your OL coach to snorting coke off a strippers ass probably doesn’t help
D,
I understand what you’re trying to say about OL penalties, but the bottom line is it’s an unforced penalty that should not happen. Excuses can be made for everything, but it matters not. Tunsil has had a pretty rough year. James was outplaying him weekly. I still don’t understand why people don’t want to keep James even if he does get a big contract. He’s good, and he was our best OL until he got hurt…Pouncey included. Our OL sucks, but some folks still want to let our good ones go. It makes no sense.
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I wanted either Elflein or Moton last year….so much for that.
Agreed. I don’t understand how you replace 4 of your OL in one offseason. Keep the decent ones you have.
Maybe Asiata will be ready to play next year. Seems rookie linemen are beginning to need extra time when entering the NFL.
I don’t want to let Jmaes go
I think he is out best OL
A a whole our OL is bad
But I don’t know why people want to get rid of the individual pieces
I think Tunsil should get time to develop more and of it doesn’t come together move him to OG
Other than that out whole OL may need to be redone
Adding 3 OL who can compete to start is a good idea IMO
Sad.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/former-nfl-receiver-terry-glenn-dies-car-accident-43-154058124.html
Tim, you are right, it was son. Us ND homers new all about Cousins cause he lit ND up or had a game winning drive every time they played it seemed like.
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D, you and I have agreed or partially agreed on a lot of players. All of my mocks are based on my research and a ton of info I get from you and all the other draft nuts on here, LOL
Is it just me, or does it seem like every OC guru (college or NFL) who gets their first gig as HC in the NFL wants to still be an OC and call all the plays. They can’t give up control. They may be successful at first but then not so much. Who is supposed to be our OC? Christensen? Seems to me he is like an old buddy you hired who just sits around collecting a pay check. Gase needs to hire a real OC this off season, handover the playbook and coach the whole team like he is paid to do. I know we have our OL woe’s but we all know that isn’t the whole problem.
Do these guys realize how lucky they are and what risks they take?
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Packers rookie running back Aaron Jones was stopped at 11:37 a.m. on Oct. 1 and was clocked doing 79 mph in a 55-mph zone. The incident report said the officer observed Jones having bloodshot eyes, and that Jones admitted he smoked after breakfast.
Nothing like a nice smoke after breakfast
keep an eye for him on the waiver wire, we need a RB at all cost!
I had Wilson as our #1, Cousins as our #2 and Foles as our #3. But, it is what it is. I also wanted us to take Wentz but we traded down with Philly and took Maxwell’s huge contract which was a waste and got a 2 down LB who’s getting his ass whooped by TE’s every week.
I don’t think there is any way we would have traded down to #2 with Tannehill’s contract, and after getting burned in the Dion Jordan debacle. Also, this is assuming Philly would have WANTED to trade out of that spot, which I seriously doubt they would have.
Philly wasn’t in the #2 spot. They were in the #13 spot.
Philly didn’t have a choice, we brought philly down with the trade for our pick, we could have simply gave the browns what philly did.
My mistake then
That was a lot of pick Rob. Two firsts, a second, a third and fourth.
And Smith just signed a 4 yr $68 million contract with the Chiefs the year before Tannehill signed his but they drafted a qb in round 1 of this year.
It’s always a rationalization that we’ve got someone else and that’s why we don’t do something but every time they SHOULD have gone after a player where we supposedly were solid we always ended up not being as solid at that position as they thought we were.
I just looked up the details of the trade:would you have given up all of those picks to get him?
Damn right I would have. Think about what we got in return for Philly moving up to our #8. How did that work out? We ate Maxwell’s contract. Kiko is good but he’s nothing spectacular. And people are going to cry when you move up to get your franchise quarterback? We traded down in 2010 with Earl Thomas staring us in the fact to take Odrick.
Some of the shit we’ve done on draft day has just fugged us up royally so if they wanted to trade up to get Wentz I would have been all for it.
Tannehill needs some competition. If we go into next season with him penciled him in as the starter you may as well not even waste your Sundays watching this team.
we also got Tunsil in that deal, if you move up for wentz you lose Tunsil and alonso
and a slew of other players we wouldnt have Harris or a high pick this yearnot to mention
we didn’t have those picks to give up anyway.
Adam Caplan
@caplannfl
#Dolphins waived UDFA RB De’Veon Smith.
That’s weird, I had read he was promoted to the 53.
I just did the food shopping, I go every Monday. Holy f*ck was it crowded! I can’t stand when it’s really crowded, I know what I want, where it is, and I want to get it, and when people are in my way, I want to run them over like Earl Campbell did.
Admittedly, food shopping probably wasn’t as bad as watching our team play this week though . . .
And that was just cause of Thanksgiving…..you should try hitting the store down this way before a big hurricane is coming. Gets brutal.
Yeah, I’m sure. I thought I might be safe because today is only Monday, but no such luck
I’d give up Tunsil and Kiko for Wentz in a heartbeat. Tunsil may end up being a guard if he doesn’t get his shit together, and Kiko is a slightly above average LB who can’t cover *cough* bad trade. I told you guys Wentz had the chance to be a really good one….wait was that me…or lou? I may need to go into concussion protocol.
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Does anybody think any QB in this draft is worth going after if you can legitimately get into, say, the top 2-3? We may also be in the top 5 to start….top 10 looks very possible.
Good for you for seeing Wentz’ potential. I’d give up Tunsil and Kiko for him now too…..heck would add in Stills (who I do like).
Mike E
Agreed! I only go really early or really late. I hate people. Get out of my way!
LOL @ I hate people! I just hate the “shopping unaware”, which could also be the “shopping I don’t care if I leave my cart right in the middle of the aisle and I don’t notice I’m standing fucking exactly where I need to get something and will remain oblivious to that fact until you change that somehow”. lol
Get yourself an assault shopping cart
Not sure what the point of talking about Wentz is all about. He should be on CLE and I’m sure more than half the teams in the league wish they had him but they don’t, he’s on the Eagles and will be for a long time barring a bad injury.
Couldn’t agree more – An exercise in futility, much like being a Dolphins fan 😦
Yeah it’s to the point where I don’t know what’s going on with this team and what needs to be done. It sucks!
What’s the point in talking about a team that can’t beat the Bucs? An exercise in futility.
We’re Dolphins fans. Wentz has nothing to do with the Dolphins. Pretty simple
you’re right. he doesn’t, because the people running the Phins organization isn’t smart enough to go after a guy like that.
stanger,
I had no idea Wentz would be this good this quick. I just know he had a reputation as a great kid with really good football knowledge and had all the physical tools you’d like. I’m familiar with NDSU because it’s so close, so I knew his coaches loved him. You just heard really good things about him. You know me, i’m usually not very effusive in my player predictions, but I did like his potential. Then again, I also thought John Beck had a shot at being a decent NFL QB. Evidently, I am not a QB soothsayer! Lol
Lol @ the shopping unaware…..So true.
Yeah they are the worst. The people without carts are also a pisser where you have to get out of their way with a cart because they seem to feel they have a right to their path.
I believe Wentz…or not trading to go get him…was being presented as an example of this FO screwing the pooch, so to speak. I was just being a smartass in patting myself on the back for liking him and making myself look smart. Lol
We screwed the pooch for not trading up to get him with an investment already made in a QB? How is it every really good player should somehow be destined for us and no other teams? I read this stuff all the time. Maybe we can get the league to allow us to draft who we want, then all the other teams can make their picks. LOL
Yeah, we did. When you see a guy who can transform your franchise like he can you gotta do what it takes to go and get him. We signed Suh to a multi-million dollar contract that’s choking the shit out of the cap space of the team but that’s okay.
God forbid we should make a move that’s going to REALLY help the team but, instead, we move down and take it up the ass with Maxwell and Alonso. But, yeah, you’re point is so valid..
We’ve been screwing the pooch for years in the draft. This is just the latest example of how we screwed the pooch. We move up to get Dion fuck face Jordan but won’t move up to get a TRUE franchise quarterback because “we had no need to do it”.
LMFAO!!