Week 15 – Game 14 – Dolphins @ Bills


The Miami Dolphins travel to Orchard Park New York, and if any of you happen to have seen last weeks game against the Indianapolis Colts, there’s a decent chance we could see similar weather this week, and the Canadian winds keep coming (Thanks Toba!).  The temperature should be about 32-35 degrees, and they are expecting afternoon snow showers, but they will probably start after the game, or possibly near the end of the game.  In any case, it’s the right weather for a team who can run the ball, and whaddaya know, we fit right in there buddy!


The Dolphins will be coming off one of their most impressive game performances in quite some time.  I haven’t enjoyed sitting down and watching every minute of a Dolphins game like the Monday Night game against the Patriots as much in what feels like a decade or more.  The 27-20 score wasn’t nearly as close as the score would indicate.  The Dolphins dominated this game for most of the 60 minutes.  Patriots QB Tom Brady didn’t complete a pass to any of his WR’s until the 3rd QTR.  The Patriots had been chewing up 100 yard games on the ground the last couple of weeks, but not this night.  The Dolphins defense held the Pats to just 25 yards rushing on 10 attempts.  OK, that’s skewed, because the Patriots were playing from behind.  The Miami defense shut down Tom Brady to the tune of 24-43 233 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT’s.  Brady had been carving up opposing defenses with a silly 26-4 TD/INT’s, but Xavien Howard tortured Brady, by sticking like glue to the speedy NE wideout Brandin Cooks all night.  Cooks caught one pass for 38 yards, and NO, #25 wasn’t anywhere near him as the Dolphins went into a zone defense for that play.  Howard had a day baby, or make that a night!


This game was so impressive, I’m gushing while writing this.  Can this same Dolphins team march into Buffalo and beat them in their own park?  We know what a daunting task that can be, we’ve failed so many years just needing a win up there, and we’ve been heartbroken too many times.  Tyrod Taylor is expected to start, but no question he will be a little gimpy with his knee injury.  We need the defense to be special again, like it was on Monday night.  I still have flashbacks like a PTSD victim,  sitting at Slatterys with Piggy, and watching the Dolphins unravel in Buffalo.  I want no part of that type of game.

The good news is Tyrod Taylor is not 100%.  Shady is,  however, and had a fantastic “snow day” last week against the Colts, and carried the Bills on his back with 32 carries for 156 yards and 1 TD.  For most of the game, neither team even attempted to throw with high winds raking across the field from sideline to sideline, along with about 6″ of snow on the field.  It was crazy cool to watch, and I bet the players had a blast. Bills WR Kelvin Benjamin is also ailing with a knee injury,  so with their QB and best WR dinged up, we have to take advantage of that.

SO Dolphins fans, can Adam Gase come up with a game plan that can defeat the rival Bills in their house, with all the cards on the 2017 season on the table?  Stay tuned my friends, Sunday 1PM – CBS, or whatever stream you can get.  I know you will be watching!

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442 Responses to Week 15 – Game 14 – Dolphins @ Bills

  1. son of a son of a shula says:


  2. sb7mvp says:

    Gooble vooble

  3. rgs322 says:

    I would keep a close eye on the weather forecast. Right now there’s no rain/snow on Sunday, but as we know forecast can change quickly. …especially lake-effect weather.

    • D says:

      Buffalo has very erratic weather. It could say snow expected and then you cant even watch the game because all ya see is tiny holes in an otherwise solid sheet of snow. Also, I dont know how many of you have had the displeasure of visiting that town, but there aren’t many places on earth i like less

  4. ElephantRider says:


  5. Ken says:

    The good news is Tyrod Taylor is not 100%.
    For the Bills or the Dolphins?

    • Mike E. says:

      Tyrod has killed us in the past, and he gave us a pretty good fight at the Fest last year too. It’s good for us. Peterman is concussed, so they would have to turn to their 3rd string QB, Joe Webb

    • D says:

      IMO the choice is Tanny’s on if he is here next year or not. I think the decision will come down to his answer on if he will restructure or not. I think they are going to approach Tanny about re-structuring, with a deadline of when he needs to have his decision by being before FA starts. If he doesnt agree to it, they probably look to re-sign Cutler instead, probably at something akin to what they signed him for this season, but probably more dependent on how he finishes out the year, as that’s going to dictate what kind of leverage he has. If Cutler wants too much or they cant get the deal done they have Tanny and then the decision comes down to if he wont restructure and we do need his cap space, do they cut him/or trade him and try to move up to get a QB. The latter probably happens with the FO making a decision to do a re-build, so it might turn out like the Jets this year where we have a fire sale. Right now, i dont see it going that way, but i do feel like they are going to want and possibly require Tanny to restructure to remain our QB.

  6. Tim Knight says:

    Good write up, Mike. Keep rollin’ Phins!!!!

  7. wyoming85 says:

    • Tim Knight says:

      It’s hard to tell with these reports because we’ve been giving guys days off all year and players dealing with even minor injuries have been rested too. Also after a Monday night game not surprising with some of these guys who played in the game.

  8. The Flying Pig says:

    Lets go Dolphins

    Kick some Squiggly!

  9. mf13ss says:

    Sports News N Stuff‏
    3h3 hours ago
    Warren Sapp tweeted a bunch of really weird things about sex toys in relation to his involvement in the sexual harassment case:

    WOW again

  10. mf13ss says:

    And trending on my Twitter right now are Russell Simmons, Tavis Smiley, and Salma Hayek (wrote an op-ed about working with Harvey Weinstein). All of this is about sexual misconduct. Smiley just got suspended by PBS.

  11. Rockphin says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    December 13, 2017 at 2:13 pm

    Seeing the patriots defense, I tend to think they’ve been able to hide how bad they are based on their scoring output.

    I was looking at the names and saying to myself “who?”

    I wonder if the Steelers really hand it to them this weekend

    The Pat’s D has been terrible all year. They were at the bottom of all the stats on D the first 6 weeks of the year before they got a LITTLE better.

  12. Rockphin says:

    Shit, X is out sick. I hope he hasn’t caught the flu bug that’s been going around and that leveled me last week. I’m still not all the way right.

  13. Rockphin says:

    That is a whole lot of DNP on the list. Hopefully you guys are right and they are just getting rest and doing classroom / film study.

  14. olddolphan says:

    NICE WORK, as usual, Mike E.
    I BELIEVE I’m the only one on this site who has spent 5, count ’em, FIVE full winters in Buffalo. The last of those 5 featured a blizzard that left solid 10-12 FEET, that’s FEET, of snow up against our two story house. My bedroom window, on the second floor, was mostly covered by a drift that extended up almost to the roof of the second floor. We were snow bound for 17 days!!!–A guy just a few houses from us DIED of a heart attack before rescuers could get to the house. My Dad eventually constructed a tunnel and we got out on Day 17. He put the business and the house both up for sale a few days later and, eventually, we were off to Palm Beach County, never to return to Buffalo, except for one day in September of 1992 (?) when Miss Penny and I went to a Fins @ Bills game. More on that episode some other time.
    My beautiful wife is scheduled to have her third Lumbar surgery on Wednesday, Jan. 10. It’s her 6th major surgery in the last dozen years. So if I’m away from this site more than usual, you’ll know why. Needless to say, we WON’T be at the Buffalo at Miami game Dec. 31, altho’ we’d sure like to be. Gotta get my girl ready for the 2018 season!!
    MADE A COPY of the 1972 “ABSOLUTE PERFECTION” series for a fellow vet down the street who is a HUGE sports fan. Teased him with Game 10, the Jets at Miami game in a totally crazed Orange Bowl Stadium! “Gotta have the rest of them” he told me.
    At the end of the story of Super Bowl VII, there were several reactions from many of you. HERDFAN says,”I can’t imagine how exciting it must have been to be a fan then, anticipation leading up to the Super Bowl. I don’t think I would have been able to sleep the whole week leading up to the game.”
    —It was WORSE THAN THAT, HERDFAN!! The week of the Jets game (game #10) I barely slept the two nights before the game!! AND, after the game, I found myself shaking as the foghorns and firecrackers went off when the clock struck ZERO!! – – May have brought back some memories from my time in the Army that I wanted to forget (I’d only been OUT of the Army for about a dozen days.) –Thankfully, games 11-14 were NOT nail biters and I was able to get SOME sleep and some order to my life that I lacked on active duty. But the two very close playoff games both went down to THE LAST PLAY, and I was a wreck!!! I only got a little better the week of the Super Bowl. The night before, strangely, I remember sleeping VERY WELL. Then came the Super Bowl, itself, and the unbelievable celebration after the Super Bowl. The next day WAS MY 26th birthday, so I kept celebrating and celebrating some more. IT WOULD KILL ME TODAY to do that!!
    –I was another month or two before I could get normal amounts of sleep. My military experiences had taken a bigger toll than I realized. But, after a couple of months, I was my old crazy self, again.
    But, the following season, I did NOT tempt fate. I had a relatively mild time celebrating with “My Boyz,” and life was, for the first time in MANY YEARS, really normal and enjoyable. I THANK the Perfect Season, and the season that followed it, for my diminished military life symptoms. –I feel very lucky for so many different reasons, some of which are difficult to put into words.

    • ocalarob says:

      I hope everything works out for MRS OD, I’ve had 4 lower lumbar surgeries myself, I am now back to playing golf, The 4th one seemed to work.

  15. Rockphin says:

    118 136 146 88.5

    Tyrod has torn us an asshole 3 of the last four games he’s played us. If you look at his game logs, the highest passer ratings of his career are against us. Hopefully his being gimpy will limit the damage his does. He’s run for 151 yards against us in for games.

    • Mike E. says:

      I didn’t even look at stats, I just recall him shredding us, even in last year’s Fest game, which we won due to some Ajayi heroics. He really thrives against us for some reason.

      • Ken says:

        He didn’t play well in the fest game at all. I think he was around 40% completion percentage. He did hit one long ball for a TD

  16. Rockphin says:

    Phindog says:
    December 13, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    When the hell have you been all the way right ? 😎

    as soon as I clicked post comment I knew someone would go there. LOL

    Play on words, here, I have never been right. I have a penis, therefor I do not have the ability to be right. Ask any woman.

  17. Mike E. says:

    Thanks Tim, OD!

    That Buffalo story is insane. A freaking ice tunnel!

  18. Mike E. says:


    Taylor threw for 221 yards, 1 TD and another TD rushing. No INT”s. He completed 14 of 28. Not a good completion pct, but he played well. We had to come back after he threw that TD.

    • Ken says:

      He was pretty horrible in that game. He was very inaccurate and missed a lot of throws that he should have made. We got down early but took a commanding lead in the second half. A good chunk of his yards and completions came in garbage time late in the game. I think they scored on the final series of the game.

  19. mf13ss says:

    Here’s something to chew on…

    Cutler has started 11 games for us in ’17: 17 sacks (4.8 sack%)
    Moore has started 2 games for us in ’17: 12 sacks (8.6 sack%)
    Tannehill had started 13 games for us in ’16: 29 sacks (6.9 sack%)

    16 game projections for all…

    Cutler: 25 sacks
    Moore: 96 sacks
    Tannehill: 36 sacks

    Why do I post this, ya might ask? Because I wonder about a lot of things. And remember, Cutler has been performing behind a piecemeal O-Line for most of this season. What does this mean? We’d better not go all-in for strictly road-graters on the O-Line in the ’18 Draft; they’d better be able to protect Tannehill as well.


  20. Mike E. says:

    Browns signed WR Matt Hazel off the Colts PS.

  21. mf13ss says:

    This is either my 3rd or 4th endorsement of this dude: we do NOT want to pass up on FRANK RAGNOW, C/G, Arkansas, in the ’18 Draft. He can maul with the very best of them, he’s an elite pass-protector (99.6% PBE with only ONE hurry allowed all season: 0 sacks, 0 hits, 1 hurry), and he’s positional versatile (C and RG).

    BILLY PRICE, C/G, Ohio State is NICE too, yet that mauler has allowed 1 sack, 2 hits, and 7 hurries all season.

    It’s time to remember Branden Albert’s motto when he was with us: “PROTECT THE (Tanne)HILL!!!”.

    EITHER of 1) RAGNOW or 2) PRICE will be significant upgrades to our O-Line.

    • rgs322 says:

      Once again, I agree.

    • olddolphan says:

      MF-13: How many more games would we have won THIS SEASON if we had taken “The Elf” in round 2 instead of his Buckeye team mate?? But, perhaps, over their respective careers, the guy we DID PICK will out perform Pat Elflein.

      We shall see.

      • mf13ss says:

        Elflein would certainly have been an upgrade at Guard for us… OR at Center. But here’s to hoping that young Raekwon is the answer at the MIKE for us for many years to come.

        Time shall reveal.

  22. ElephantRider says:

    Lol at your sack total projection M

    Matt Moore 96!! Lol

  23. M,
    What’s wrong with Braden Smith?

  24. ocalarob says:

    mf13ss says:
    December 13, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    Why do I post this, ya might ask? Because I wonder about a lot of things. And remember, Cutler has been performing behind a piecemeal O-Line for most of this season. What does this mean?
    I believe it means that Cutler is more aware of his surroundings, able to identify and call out his protection and has a very quick release. he’s very accurate and may be the best QB on our roster.

    • Mike E. says:

      I think it’s possible he (Cutler) may have better pocket presence than Tannehill. I wouldn’t say he’s more accurate though, I think they’re pretty close.

  25. ocalarob says:

    With 17 mil slated for 2018 and only 4.6 dead money Tannehill may have seen his last snap in Miami. IMO Cutler is more accurate, way…way better Pocket Presence no difference in Arm strength, Tannehill is more athletic
    Cutler said he wants to play more, If i had the two head to head from what i have seen Cutler would start.

  26. ocalarob says:

    Tannehill’s ready to restructure or dump, he is slated for 17.5 mil with 4.6 in dead money, if you are able to get Cutler for another 10 mil it may be wise to dump tanny because his next pay day may be somewhere in the 25 mil range right about Cousins $$$

  27. ocalarob says:

    what do you want a better all around QB at apprx 10 mil or a not so great QB AT 25 MIL???

  28. ocalarob says:

    Better yet trade tannehill and our 1st rounder to Cleveland for the rights to Rosen

  29. ocalarob says:

    let Cutler hold the reins and bring Rosen along slowly.

  30. Mike E. says:

    Rob – I think Gase likes Tannehill, so you’re probably going to be disappointed. I would like to see what Tannehill can do with a full year in Gase’s offense, along with Drake and probably a better O-line. If Cutler wants to play, I don’t think it will be here, unless he wants to take a pay cut, and is willing to just compete for the starting job here, no guarantees.

  31. stangerx says:

    Mike E — did you catch that you actually beat me now in FF last week? Close as it was before must have been a stat correction. Only 2nd time have ever seen that. And we switched opponents cause of it too…..you and Toba now.

  32. stangerx says:

    Look’s like Bill’s coach Sean McDermott follows the evil genius way too, least when it comes to pre-game pressers. Here was his take on Cutler yesterday.

    “I mean, he’s one of the top quarterbacks around the league, I would say. I don’t think much has changed over the years. You mentioned this year, with his transition there. Strong arm, extremely versatile in what he can do obviously moving with the ball in his hands in terms of his feet in the pocket and has great vision for the field and pinpoint accuracy. I mean, he’s as good as there are out there and you saw that Monday night.”

  33. Tim Knight says:

    M13, you can’t compare stats for this year with two guys in 17 and one in 16 because it’s not the same season or team. This year despite a couple of bad games, the pass pro even with all the injuries and changes to the OL hasn’t been that bad. The run blocking has been more of an issue. I think Drake’s quickness the last two games has helped make it look like less of an issue. But when we want to run say in short yardage we don’t get much of a push.

  34. The Flying Pig says:


    We don’t have to get rid of tannehill to bring in a new QB. We can draft one and let him compete with tannehill, the rookie sal cap is advantageous to a situation like this.

    If the idea is to take a particular qb and move up in the draft – I personally think that’s a bad idea. I can’t get my heart set on a QB who hasn’t played a down in the nfl. There are too many RG3s and Tim Couches out there to get fixated on a draft prospect

    When I love at tannehill I see a QB who has been middle of the pack in the nfl. I would rather keep a middle of the pack qb while I take a chance on improving the position then get rid of that QB and take that chance.

    I don’t want to trade tannehill or waive him. He gives us a nice fall back if we draft some one who doesn’t pan out

  35. Mike E. says:

    Ryan DID raise his level of play. Except for the terrible game against the Ravens, once Gase got the offense going, he played very well last year in the last 8 games. People seem to dismiss that too easily. He played pretty good in some of the other games too, but he really brought it to another level after the 1-4 start.

    • Tim Knight says:

      That is true and who’s to say it wouldn’t have continued if he didn’t suffer the knee injury. We were beating ARZ 21-9 with RT throwing 3 TDs when he went down in the 3rd quarter. That’s the last game he has played.

      • Mike E. says:

        Tannehill had a 102.65 QBR over the last 8 games. It was an 80.94 over the first 5 games. That’s pretty impressive

      • Tim Knight says:

        He seems to get viewed these days as if he didn’t raise the level of his play and he was playing poorly.

  36. Mike E. says:

    Tim – Agreed – He was poor just like the rest of the team in the first 5, but he really upped his play after that.

  37. Tim Knight says:

    It’s funny not so long ago Cutler was terrible and people were talking about how he always has been. Then he plays better of late and now he’s being talked about as part of the future. LOL

    Classic what have you done for me lately fan reactions.

    • ocalarob says:

      Tired of seeing Tannehill stand like a statue back there unaware that defenders are trying to hack at him to get a turnover, sacked 29 times in 2016, and he didn’t even play the full year, sacked 40 times in 2015! has to be the most sacked QB since he’s been in the league and it aint the OL!

      • Tim Knight says:

        Aaron Rodgers has been sacked 46, 50 and 51 times in a season. It’s not just about sack stats. Sometimes it’s pressure, sometimes it’s holding the ball too long trying to make a play and sometimes it’s a coverage sack. It’s never only on the QB or the OL. Sometimes you give the defense credit.

        But this idea that it ain’t the OL when it comes to Tannehill makes it sound like they have nothing to do with it. Why all the talk about needing OL then? Also why did Rodgers who is considered one of the best, most mobile and athletic QBs take so many sacks?

        Go look at some Tannehill highlights to see how many times he escaped pressure and that’s not anywhere near all of them.

  38. ocalarob says:

    Piggy i believe you have to consider Tannehills hit on the salary cap, you also have to consider Cutler in the equation, Is Tannehill heads and tails better than Cutler? i think not. will Tannehill command big $$ on his next contract? no doubt. so do you spend big $$ and tie that up for the next few years for a middle of the road QB when you may have an even better QB who’s flexable and won’t command a cap breaking deal not to mention Fales could back-up Cutler and we get something for Tannehill. I think they should take a hard look pending Cutlers availability next year.

  39. ocalarob says:

    Mike, What makes you think Gase likes Tannehill over Cutler? because he said as much? I’m sure he’s not going to say anything negative or devalue one of his players. especially if they plan to trade him.

    • Mike E. says:

      I think he believes Ryan has potential here. He saw it come to fruition the 2nd half of the season, and I’m sure he feels there’s no reason that won’t continue. Cutler has been ON one game and OFF the next. He’s also 35 next season, Ryan will be turning 30. Realistically, you can’t trade Tannehill because he’s coming off an injury. He’d have to play in the preseason at a minimum, and maybe even the regular season to prove he’s worth it.

  40. Mike E. says:

    Cutler also just recently said he’d like to continue playing football, but what if he changes his mind? Tanehill is hungry to come back, and maybe Cutler will be too, but I also think there’s a fair chance he may decide to quit, especially if he doesn’t get an offer he likes.

  41. wyoming85 says:

  42. pheloniusphish says:

    According to ORob all we need to do to make the Super Bowl next year is cut or tradevTannehille and get Ajayi back. It’s a dynasty.

    • Tim Knight says:

      He’s also forgetting his thought on a balanced attack when it comes to Tannehill. How many times did we run 10-15 times in a game and pass 40+ times in Tannehill’s career? That is going to lead to taking more sacks because you’re now one dimensional and dropping back too often. When we became more balanced in 2016 the sacks went down because we weren’t passing every down.

  43. The Flying Pig says:


    If you replace tannehill with cutler and draft a qb then maybe that can work for 18
    But that’s when it runs it’s course
    At best, cutler has enough left for ‘18

    That won’t be a problem if your draftee works out and is read for 18 or 19
    But if it turns out you drafted David Carr or any of the other misses in the first round over the years
    Then you don’t have a QB for ‘19 and are desperate again

    The thing about Tannehill is at a minimum we know he can man the job for another 5 years. So if the idea is to improve the play at qb, I think you want that cushion of the safe qb for years just in case your draftee doesn’t pan out

    Cutler doesn’t give us any long term security
    In fact I’m. It even sure he wants to play in 18
    I suspect if he does he is going to want more $ too

    • ocalarob says:

      look at roethlisburger, Brady, Eli Manning, Brees, they’re older are they going anywhere soon. this guy foles may be a great QB so who says we even have to draft one.

      I think Tannehills ceiling is limited, career 86 passer rating? that’s in the mid 20’s out of 32 he’s not that bad but he’s also not that good.
      here’s the kicker, will you resign him to 20m + do you just eat the 18.5 next year for a below average QB? who knows? maybe so.

  44. pheloniusphish says:

    Tannehill is a better QB than Cutler. Cutler has better pocket presence, but RT is more accurate and he doesn’t throw inexplicable interceptions like Cutler does.

  45. stangerx says:

    Tank practiced today. So did Damien Williams for that matter.

  46. ocalarob says:

    Tannehill has a career 86.5 passer rating, has been sacked 213 times!
    sorry but that sucks!

    • ElephantRider says:

      Better than Cutlers!

    • stangerx says:

      No doubt the sacks are more but then Marino played behind a great OL and had a career passer rating of 86.4.and Cutler’s overall rating is 85.4.

      • ocalarob says:

        so i would assume that 1 point in passer ratings worth a 15 million per year difference, it’s not that Cutler is that much better but you have to include his salary as well

      • stangerx says:

        Yep — safe in assuming that when the age difference and the fact that Tanny was at 93.5 last year are factored in.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Has Tannehill taken some sacks he shouldn’t have, yes. Has the pass pro also allowed too many jail breaks where he was being swarmed and hit before he can even setup, yes. I mean we’ve all seen it. Not sure why you’re trying to leave out some of the reasons for it.

      This QB had a career QB rating of 88.6 after his first full 5 seasons? Does that suck too?

      • ocalarob says:

        correction career 86.5 passer rating, wasn’t it you was saying Henne was the next Dan Marino?

      • Tim Knight says:

        Never said that about Henne unless it was a joke. I did think Henne could be like a Phil Simms, ask Ken to verify that. I was wrong on that though. LOL

        The 88.6 QB rating I mentioned was Tom Brady his first 5 full seasons. He only attempted 3 passes his rookie year so I didn’t count that. When looking at sacks you have to look at the whole picture, pass attempts and supporting cast. If you think our pass pro has been good since Tannehill has been in the league, I can’t keep having this discussion because it hasn’t been.

  47. Mike E. says:

    The sacks aren’t all Tannehill’s fault. We’ve been talking about fixing the O-line since forever

    • Mike E. says:

      Last year, there were games where the D-line was on a jailbreak on so many snaps. It was comical. We easily forget those things.

    • ocalarob says:

      C’mon Mike, he looks like Herman Munster standing back there!

      • Tim Knight says:

        That’s not a fair statement. He’s one of the most athletic and mobile QBs in the league. You seem to think hanging tough in the pocket as opposed to some QBs who bail at the sniff of pressure is being a statue or Herman Munster. Which is funny by the way. LOL

  48. ocalarob says:

    how many errant passes has Cutler thrown this year? maybe some but for the most part he’s been on target, just from an eyeball standard i think Cutler has the edge on Tanny. JMO

  49. Mike E. says:

    Cam Newton’s is 85.6, and throw away the red herring year of 2015, and it’s much lower. He’s a fraud, I knew he wouldn’t duplicate that.

  50. ElephantRider says:

    Lol…..at least this all means 1 thing……Phins are playing good and winning!


  51. ocalarob says:

    out of the 12 teams that make the playoffs how many will have a qb rating in the 20-32 range?


    • ElephantRider says:

      So….you’re saying Phins aren’t making the playoffs then right? Because you are beating the drum for a guy at the bottom of that list

      • ocalarob says:

        yes i agree, no way we make the playoffs but that #24 rating is where Tanny hangs out every year, so do you sign that production to a multi year 20+ million contract or trade him?

    • stangerx says:

      Why we need Tanny back…..he was #12 in QB rating last year.

  52. rgs322 says:

    Are we bringing Marino into this debate? He played in a different time. All these ratings and numbers are inflated now a days with almost all the rules favoring the offense. Cutler and Tannehill’s ratings would probably be a good 10 or 15 points less if they played back then, just saying.

    This will be last thing I say on the matter and I quote Bill Parcells, “If they don’ t bite when they’re puppies, they usually won’t bite. I believe this with ALL positions.

  53. The Flying Pig says:

    Honestly if they do bite as puppies the only thing that happens is everyone stops what they are doing and says “awwwwwwww”

  54. Tim Knight says:

    Cutler is 2-0 with the Drake so there is that. 🙂

    • ocalarob says:

      correction 2-5, Drake has played in all 7 games post Ajayi

      • Tim Knight says:

        Not as a starter with a starter workload. Come on Rob, we all know what you mean by this. If you can run it helps everything and that is what Drake has done the last two games in the starter role.

        That said, I do not think wins are all equated to the presence of a RB because we scored 6 points in 3 losses with Ajayi – 20-6, 20-0 and 40-0.

      • ocalarob says:

        C’mon Tim, Williams played with Ajayi, the only reason drake is carrying the load is because williams is hurt

  55. Mike E. says:

    I second ER – FUCK PARCELLS!!! I hate him as much as I hate Saban, maybe even more.

    I respect his work as a HC, but what he did here in MIA, FUCK ‘EM!

  56. Mike E. says:

    Rob – This is all you need to know about Parcells

    Miami Dolphins[edit]

    On December 19, 2007, the Miami Herald reported that Parcells had agreed to become the new Executive Vice President of Football Operations of the Miami Dolphins.[30] ESPN reported the following day that he signed a four-year contract.[31] Just a day prior, reports linking Parcells to the Atlanta Falcons’ position of vice president of football operations were leaked.[32] However, the following day the Falcons formally announced that Parcells had turned down the offer because of discussions with Miami.[33]

    In the first season as Executive Vice President of Football Operations, Parcells fired head coach Cam Cameron, GM Randy Mueller, along with a few assistant coaches, after a 1–15 finish in the 2007 season. With vacancies at the GM and head coaching spots, he brought in Jeff Ireland to be the general manager and signed Tony Sparano as head coach.

  57. Tim Knight says:

    Rob, maybe Williams getting hurt was a blessing in disguise and now we know more about Drake who is more talented than Williams. But that wasn’t really the point of the discussion, it was about the presence of a running game.

  58. wyoming85 says:

  59. ocalarob says:

    Parcells’ deal with Miami was finalized when Huizenga offered to include an opt out clause that allowed him to keep all of his four-year, $16 million contract if Huizenga was no longer the majority owner.
    Parcells also admits he never felt comfortable with “neophyte owner” Steve Ross, and was bothered when Ross never followed through on a contract extension Ross routinely mentioned to him
    “Ross told me on about four different occasions, ‘Well, I want to sit down and talk to you about the future.’ He never ever does do it,” Parcells says in the book. “I’d been waiting for him and he doesn’t do it. I’m not pushing him, but he never seems to have the time.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Parcells also didn’t like how the power structure was working with Ross now owner along with Ireland and Sparano. Parcells hasn’t spoken to Ireland since the 2011 Harbaugh fiasco. He felt Ireland stabbed Sparano in the back.

  60. wyoming85 says:

    Oh what a conversation!

  61. Tim Knight says:

    Moving forward I can see us rolling with Drake, re-signing Williams and adding another back in the draft. Maybe a guy who can be a hammer tailback at times and a FB/H-Back at times like we’ve been using Gray. But to me Drake opens up our offense because of his ability as a receiver. We can show a big formation look and then turn it into a 3 WR set with him on a LB which is a mismatch. We did that against the Pats. It’s a work in progress but so far so good.

    • rgs322 says:

      I like that plan.

      • Tim Knight says:

        You’re a draft guy, any backs that fit that profile? One guy I read up on a few weeks back was Jaylen Samuels out of NCS. He seems to fit the multi-purpose back at 5-11 228.

      • rgs322 says:

        Actually, Samuels was the one that immediately came to mind. He can give you the flexibility you mentioned. If he was a little taller he would probably go higher in the draft, as is we are probably looking at a 3rd/4th round prospect right now.

    • D says:

      I could let us letting Williams walk, and i think it will just depend on how much he asks for that will make the decision. They aren’t going to overpay for him, ie give him starting back money, much less elite level RB money. I believe if he comes a 3mil per or less, maybe we re-sign him but we wont be compelled to put much more on the table for him. I think Smith will wind up getting future contract at the very end of they year and likely could be in the mix to make the team in Williams place, and i think we might add another back, a good bang for your buck back, like Bo Scarborough who has some elite level power back skills, and right now seems pretty undervalued in the talking heads evaluations. With emergence of Drake, Williams leverage has disappeared, the team has the upper hand right now.

      • Ken says:

        I don’t see Williams commanding big money. He is good depth and a role player especially catching the ball out of the backfield. However, I don’t think that translates into big money on the open market. Now if Drake was a free agent ….

  62. rgs322 says:

    Batten down the hatches, it’s going to be a cold one this weekend.

  63. stangerx says:

    James Walker
    ESPN Staff Writer
    Dolphins QB Jay Cutler said he’s growing his beard during the win streak. He’s two weeks in.
    Lets hope he ends up at

  64. D says:

    As for RB’s i like in this draft, once that i also think we can get in the 4thish round. Scarborough as i mentioned above, Freeman out of Oregon could be a good one, Josh Adams out of ND also a decent powerback option.

  65. Mike E. says:


    You mentioned TWICE Parcells working for free. You don’t believe that do you? He had a 4 YR contract with an opt out clause. He chose to sneak out of the building in the middle of the night, still getting paid, like a weasel opt out.

    • Ken says:

      It was the opposite. We literally paid him for nothing. He was still drawing a paycheck for like 2 years after he left

      • Mike E. says:

        Yes, thank you. I have no idea what Rob is talking about with this. Why should we worry about extending him, he SUCKED from the start. W/O Pennington, he wouldn’t have sniffed the playoffs with the GM and coaches he chose.

  66. rgs322 says:

    Ok, now this is the last “one more thing” on Cutler/Tannehill. Just because I don’t think either one is the answer, it doesn’t mean I dislike them or am ready to ship them both out this off season. We still need a QB in 2018. I just hope we don’t stop looking for that franchise guy.

    Hey, you never know he may fall into our laps like a guy named Marino did.

    • Ken says:

      If Flacco can lead a team to a SB Tannehill can. I am not sure Cutler can anymore. There was a time I would have said yes but I don’t see it in him now

  67. wyoming85 says:

  68. wyoming85 says:

  69. wyoming85 says:

    Dimitri Flowers, FB, Oklahoma
    Height: 6-2. Weight: 239.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.88.
    Projected Round (2018): 4-6.
    12/2/17: Flowers has 13 carries for 26 yards with four touchdowns as a runner in 2017. He has 22 receptions for 393 yards and four touchdowns, too.

    Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018FB.php#ixzz51HHasHHN

    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018FB.php#sBYSsZRkWjbXXfel.99

  70. ElephantRider says:

    Let’s not pretend Ajayi is the second coming of Walter Payton or Barry Sanders……jeez

    • D says:

      There are no RB in football right now like those two players, those are special guys. The days of Gale Sayers, Herschel Walker, Payton, Sanders, Emmit Smith, etc, thats just now this NFL. As good as Leveon Bell is, as good as Zeke is, etc they just aren’t on that level of RB talent. Those players, you could prepare for them all day long and they would still beat you.

  71. Tim Knight says:

    rgs, yeah Samuels isn’t really an H-Back in the NFL size criteria but he might fit well with what we want to do on offense. Also 3rd/4th rd is what I’m looking at because I don’t think we have to go 1st or 2nd for a RB.

    • D says:

      Only way id take a RB in the first is if someone like Barkley was available to us. I think there could be plenty of options there of having both Drake and Barkley on the field at the same time, both are good receivers and you could have a split backfield with both lined up as RB’s, one on an outlet route one protecting or there for a draw, you could run counter/double-counter runs, you could line them out of slot receiver positions. You could maximize the use of wheel routes and even do double wheels. Just because Drake is good, it doesn’t mean that having another really talented player like that would make for a lot of other options, like the triple option.What!!! Triple option as an option….. that’s like 9 options!

      • Tim Knight says:

        He won’t be there for us, I think he’s going top 5.. Not saying if he fell to us don’t think about it or take him. I don’t think that’s what we need to win a championship though. I think we need some more core stuff up front.

    • rgs322 says:

      Yea, there’s really no need to go RB in the first 2 rounds.

  72. Tim Knight says:

    Ken, what I think get’s lost sometimes is not all QBs who have won a SB was because they lead the team there but were a part of it. Teams get to and win SBs, the fans and media give the credit to QBs but it’s really not the case. Maybe a few special QBs are the key to it, but again, they are only part of it. Players still have to block, run and catch and play defense and STs or you can lose regardless of the QB. Ask Peyton against Seattle. Gase is also well aware of that.

    • Ken says:

      It really has gotten silly that the measure of a QB has become SB rings. Plenty of great QBs who never won one and certainly some mediocre guys that have

      • D says:

        Marino is the best QB to have ever played and he has no rings, but you know, every year i felt like we had a shot, and it was because of him that i had that confidence, despite it never happening.

      • D says:

        Even the “mediocre” guys that have one, were at least having beastly years. Their elevated play is what put them over the top. Wagner is a good example of this for me. I dont think he was elite, he played decently before he wont the superbowl, but the guy had a stud team around him for several years and it wasnt until he elevated his play to elite levels that they won. So he obviously was a factor, and while he played Mediocre, they never won, he had to bust out a bad-ass season to finally get there.

      • Tim Knight says:


    • D says:

      The rest of the team does matter, its a team sport, probably the one that most requires all memebers to be doing things right to win and be champions. However, all you have to do is look at the past few teams who have won the superbowl and who had they had at QB, and also look at the teams everyone automatically predicts will be Superbowl bound anually, and you will know how much that player being of elite caliber means to getting that ring. I get what you are saying, and i know just because they have a great QB doesnt mean they will be in the Superbowl every year, but it sure doesn’t seem to hurt. With that much evidence, you have to admit, even if it isn’t everything it has a big bearing on things.

  73. ocalarob says:

    Mike E. says:
    December 14, 2017 at 5:13 pm

    You mentioned TWICE Parcells working for free. You don’t believe that do you? He had a 4 YR contract with an opt out clause. He chose to sneak out of the building in the middle of the night, still getting paid, like a weasel opt out.
    Mike, IMO i really think you’re judging Bill Parcels unfairly,
    What if your boss sold the eye glass company and gave you 4 years worth of severance pay as per your deal, The new owner wanted you to continue but had no intention of paying you anything would you stay and continue to work? or would you go get another paying job?

  74. Tannehill has done nothing and I repeat, NOTHING, to warrant anyone saying they would like to see what he could do with a full year under Gase. He’s lost more games for this team than he’s won and, don’t forget, he’s the one who decided to forgo having surgery on his knee. So, if you ARE a Tannehill fan you should be really pissed at him for such a douchebag move. Rant over.
    Lou out.

    JMHO. lol

  75. ocalarob says:

    Mike E. says:
    December 14, 2017 at 5:20 pm
    Yes, thank you. I have no idea what Rob is talking about with this. Why should we worry about extending him, he SUCKED from the start. W/O Pennington, he wouldn’t have sniffed the playoffs with the GM and coaches he chose.

    well he got Pennington and he went 11-5 to win the division with the personnel he put in place, it’s a fact.
    when was the last time we won that division besides 08? when was the last time anyone won that division not named New England?
    and you’re bashing that …………??

  76. Ken says:

    There are mediocre QBs who have won SBs without having beastly years. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson comes to mind

  77. I would be extremely happy if Mark Andrews were our first round pick. I could live with that. I could also live with Roquan Smith as well.

  78. Tim Knight says:

    I’m sure it’s been mentioned but what do you guys think of Quenton Nelson ND as a guard? He’s big at 6-5 330 and just looks the part. I see guys like him all the time in drafts and then see they’re fixtures on some team’s OL in the next couple of years if not right away. We need to land a guy like that in this draft.

    • D says:

      I like him a lot. Probably my top OL guy for us, overall. Id still try to trade back and get him beause i really feel we may need more picks, and more OL prospects than just him, BUT i dont know if i woud be able to pass at our spot, because its very likely we would miss out on him. I like Martinas Rankin from Miss State as a possible James replacement if we have to go that route. If i got the right round/pick spot for Rankin, Clapp, Bowman, Nelson, Wynn, Braden Smith, Ragnow, any of these guys is going to help our OL.

    • He doesn’t fit our scheme. We don’t play smash mouth football. We are finesse blocking team.

    • Braden Smith would be more of a fit

    • rgs322 says:

      He’s my #1 guy. That’s assuming Rosen, Barkley, Chubb, and Fitzpatrick are gone. …which most likely they will be.

      With that said, Billy Price would be my #2 on the OL. Ragnow and Braden Smith are also very good options on day 2.

  79. ocalarob says:

    Out of the last 8 years 6 QBs were top 7 or better SB winners, one was 12 and the other was hurt.
    it stands to reason that any QB out of top 10 in QB rating doesn’t stand much of a chance of winning a superbowl

    2017 SB Tom Brady was 4th in QB rating
    2016 peyton Manning was hurt in 2016 Denver won on Defense
    2015 Brady was #5
    2014 Russell wilson #7
    2013 Joe Flacco #12
    2012 Eli Manning #7
    2011 araon rodgers #3
    2010 drew brees #1

    • D says:

      Its pretty consistent. Dilfer in 2000 is one, Johnson in 2002. Flacco, like you said was 12th, so i dunno if you count him or not, and Peyton might have been a gimpy arm but he was still and elite QB mind. I would disagree that he didnt have any play on them making the Superbowl and winning, even though statistically he surely didnt carry them.

      • D says:

        Having an elite level QB is very much part of the winning formula. One of the main reasons is that position has the single most effect on a game of any other, so it can really lower or up your chances of winning, or hell even getting there, depending on how they are performing. Those exceptions were just completely insane defenses around them, not top 5, like number 1, and borderline “best all time” type defenses. The rest of the team had to be perfect to overcome average QB play, no matter how much you slice it, while it can be done without a perfect QB situation, its a helluva lot harder to overcome it and still get there, much less win it.

      • rgs322 says:

        Very true, D. A franchise QB can mask problems with a team. Without one, almost everything has to break your way. …injuries, career years from unexpected players, and/ or carrier years for an entire unit. …like defense or offensive line/RB.

      • rgs322 says:

        That is career for an entire unit. …not carrier.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Put a bad defensive performance in there and I bet they don’t win.

      The Giants beat the Pats in the SB twice because of pass rush. Yes the Manning throws were great plays, but would have never meant anything without the pressure they put on Brady.

  80. Tim Knight says:

    Lou, I’m not sure Gase is set on any particular OL scheme. I think he likes guys who can execute and block. Of course running out of shotgun is zone, it can’t be power. It’s a counter draw type play. Every team does this. We do line up big and run simple off-tackle and sweeps. We’re not very good at running straight power dives. We caught them guard with Grey twice. LOL

  81. mf13ss says:

    ocalarob says:
    December 14, 2017 at 8:41 am

    mf13ss says:
    December 13, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    Why do I post this, ya might ask? Because I wonder about a lot of things. And remember, Cutler has been performing behind a piecemeal O-Line for most of this season. What does this mean?
    I believe it means that Cutler is more aware of his surroundings, able to identify and call out his protection and has a very quick release. he’s very accurate and may be the best QB on our roster.
    VERY GOOD translation, for the most part!

    But with that stated, Tannehill is NOT, NOT chopped liver. His biggest weakness is his lack of pocket-awareness, and that should be addressed by finally getting this O-Line FIXED (BOTH pass-pro and run-blocking)… THAT is the biggest conclusion one should arrive at: it’s ALL about our O-Line.

    And for the record, Cutler isn’t chopped liver, either. Our run-blocking SUCKS this year (we’re at 3.8 YPC this year, down from 4.5 YPC last year), Ajayi is no longer here (no more 8 in-the-box, thus allowing maximum coverage against Cutler), and Cutler barely gets sacked behind our ‘JV’ O-Linemen.

    LT: Branden Albert ’16 > Laremy Tunsil ’17
    LG: Laremy Tunsil ’16 > Anthony Steen &/OR Ted Larsen ’17
    C: Mike Pouncey ’16 > Mike Pouncey ’17
    RG: Jermon Bushrod ’16 > Jermon Bushrod &/OR Sam Young ’17
    RT: Ja’Wuan James ’16 = Ja’Wuan James &/OR Jesse Davis ’17

    For the love of hissing cockroaches, I try to make a point about our weaknesses and all the Tannehomers and Tannehaters come out! SHEESH!!! LOL 😆

    There’s a reason we haven’t been able to run the ball this season (again, a meager 3.8 YPC), and a reason (beyond injury) that Tannehill won’t be sacked 60+ times this season… our O-Line SUCKS!!!

  82. Mike E. says:


    I can’t understand what you’re saying with Parcells working for free. He had a 4 year contract that he was paid in full for, and he left after 2 1/2 years. Explain to me where working for free comes into the equation.

  83. Tim Knight says:

    For the record, I’m not a Tannyhomer. I just think he’s criticized to a level of absurdity. I’ve stated many times how I think he fits in and how we should use him. Gase showed the same thing last year. Run the ball and set up play-action and bootlegs with RT’s athletic ability and arm. Don’t have him sitting in shotgun 30+ times per game. That’s not maximizing his skills.

    I know it wasn’t the same game and I’m not comparing the two, but I don’t remember Joe Montana ever lining up in shotgun. LOL

    He used his athleticism to move around and not always be static. I think Tannehil excels in that type of game. You can’t run that stuff down by two scores and no running game. That’s when they let the dogs out.

    • mf13ss says:

      I think you’re an optimistic realist… and I RESPECT that. I wouldn’t call you a Tannehomer at all. And just as you get frustrated by people over-criticizing Tannehill, I get frustrated by people over-criticizing Cutler.

      We should ALL be rooting for BOTH QBs to succeed for the betterment of our team.

  84. olddolphan says:

    HERE ARE the three most important factors in building a championship caliber professional football team: 1) ONE of the VERY BEST head coaches in the NFL at that time. In 1970, new Dolphins head coach DON SHULA took essentially the same team that won 3 games in 1969, added WR Paul Warfield from Cleveland in exchange for a #1 draft pick. The result? The Fins SWEPT the hated Jets in 1970, went 10-4 in the process, and narrowly lost a 21-14 game to the Raiders in the playoffs. The difference, according to Griese, Csonka and Buoniconti, was SHULA and his staff of assistants. SHULA’s one year plan for improvement WORKED!!
    2) A top notch quarterback. Griese certainly was that. And, at age 38 (in 1972), Morrall certainly still was at least average, if not better than that.
    3) A talented GM who can STOCK THE TEAM WITH WINNING PLAYERS. Plain and simple, Joe Thomas was the best GM in Fins history. BOBBY BEATHARD took his place in 1973 and had several very good seasons.
    OF COURSE, you have to have an outstanding owner who is committed to winning and who has a plan to do just that. It was Joe Robbie who put together this winning franchise and who selected Shula and Joe Thomas and, later, Bobby Beathard.
    STEVE ROSS, on the other hand, has selected – – –

  85. mf13ss says:


    You and I seem to be on the exact same page of late: I absolutely agree with you that we should be drafting a QB in ’18. I think it’s time to move on from Matt Moore and find fresh blood to compete with and push Tannehill as his new backup.

    I’m not sure I’m willing to draft one early, but that’s just me… I have faith in Tannehill next year, granted we truly fix the O-Line. I’d be VERY happy with Logan Woodside, Toledo, in the later rounds of the Draft.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I don’t think Tannehill will be pushed by a rookie QB. This might be a year where we have a vet backup and a rookie develop on the 53. We’re carrying 3 right now. I’m not against drafting a QB at all. But it doesn’t have to be the 1st rd.

      • rgs322 says:

        M, I think most of us have been on the same page to a certain degree.😉 Upgrade OL, depth at RB, upgrade TE, and if the opportunity presents itself get a young QB. Whether or not that QB is our future starter is another story. Lol.

  86. mf13ss says:

    One more thing regarding Tannehill and Cutler…

    Seems ya can’t say anything good about Cutler, for when ya do, it’s taken as an insult to Tannehill and the Tannehomers… NOT COOL. Cutler is the current QB of our beloved team and we should be rooting for his success and appreciate when he does well.

    Why do so many get their panties in a bunch when one gives Cutler props for when he does well? And I’m not just talking about here… I’m talking about Twitter, as well. That’s absolutely contradictory to rooting for your team and it’s disturbing coming from so-called Phin fans.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Not sure what you’re saying. I’ve watched Cutler sucks sentiments go to he’s great and Tannehill who hasn’t played since ARZ of 2016 is a has been ignoring that he started playing at a higher level. Too many fans caught up in contracts and what have you done for me lately.

      I would prefer Tannehill/Cutler over Tannehill/Moore but that’s up to Cutler. Draft a young QB as well and roll from there.

  87. mf13ss says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    December 14, 2017 at 7:08 pm
    He (Quenton Nelson) doesn’t fit our scheme. We don’t play smash mouth football. We are finesse blocking team.
    I think you’re inadvertently stereotyping Nelson due to his size. He’s elite at both pass-protection and run-blocking, and he can actually PULL very well. We’re talking about a very special player in Nelson, who can probably thrive in ANY scheme/system.

    • mf13ss says:

      Braden Smith looks good, by the way. I wouldn’t be disappointed if we drafted him.

    • I know it’s only one game but the speed at the next level is more like what he faced vs Miami than it is in college. He looks way too slow to pull at the pro level. I’m not stereotyping him; I’m going off what I’ve seen when I watched him play and I don’t see him fitting our scheme. Our offensive line is like a boxer; stick and move.

  88. wyoming85 says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    December 14, 2017 at 5:59 pm
    You really want to draft a FB!

    Did you see what Grey lining up at fullback did for the running game?

    Now just imagine if you will someone who is a natural at that position and not a TE playing FB!!!!
    Flowers also is a very good receiver by the way.
    And he also is very good at getting that 1 yard run that seems to be our Achilles heel!

  89. wyoming85 says:

    This is great news!!

    • rgs322 says:


      • rgs322 says:

        Hey Ross, Landry looks awfully good in that throwback uni. #bringbacktheolduniformspermanently

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Yeah exactly
        Bring back

        I have the new unis a chance
        But the difference between the new and the old ones is monumental

        The new ones look silly honestly

    • Tim Knight says:

      8 TDs. That was the stigma. Scoring. Now he has that under his belt.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        He’s also (as they mention in the article) been very professional about it

        I just think a player like him doesn’t come along very often
        It’s not really just the stats – it’s the heart of the player

        Lock him up
        Try to find more like him

  90. ocalarob says:

    Mike E. says:
    December 14, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    I can’t understand what you’re saying with Parcells working for free. He had a 4 year contract that he was paid in full for, and he left after 2 1/2 years. Explain to me where working for free comes into the equation.

    He was hired by Wayne huzienga, a 4 year deal worth 16 million, he had a contract with an opt out clause, if the team was sold he could opt out and get paid the full contract. he could then sign with another team or join ESPN which he did or go race horses,

    not only would he get the money from the dolphins he would be getting paid from other sources as well, he was free of his obligations under his current contract due to the sale of the club.

    so essentially if he stayed and did not renew another contract he was working for free.
    he didn’t need to run the Dolphins in order to get paid.

    in fact he did stay all of the 2009 off season.

    if this situation was so unfair then maybe Miami should not have signed that contract.

    I don’t blame in for leaving, really he wasn’t qualified as Ross hires only inexperienced help.

  91. The Flying Pig says:


    I actually thought Grey did a good job ad FB
    I’m a fan of a more traditional offense too

    But I’m not sure Gass is
    I think he’s kind of sold on a 3 WR base

  92. The Flying Pig says:

    I also like your idea

    Maybe a big HB who can block can also serve as our HB

    Does anyone know – can’t Nick chubb do that sort of thing?

  93. ocalarob says:

    D says:
    December 14, 2017 at 7:15 pm
    Having an elite level QB is very much part of the winning formula.

    I believe it all starts with being able to control the LOS and running the ball successfully, at that point if your QB is accurate he will put up good numbers due to the opposing D’s attempt to stop the run.
    running the ball also keeps your defense fresh and in good spirits and keeps the opposing offense off the field.

  94. Rockphin says:

    ocalarob says:
    December 14, 2017 at 2:45 pm

    Tannehill has a career 86.5 passer rating, has been sacked 213 times!
    sorry but that sucks!

    Sorry Rob, go back and read my only kool aid article this offseason. Most all of the acknowledged “elite” qb’s had ratings in the 80’s in their first 5 years. Tannehill was playing at a top 10 level when he got hurt. Right on schedule.

    Player Att Comp Pct Yds Avg TD TD% Int Rating
    Ryan Tannehill 527.40 330.60 62.82 3,691.00 7.06 21.20 4.04 13.20 86.56
    Big Rape 381.00 237.80 62.80 2,994.80 8.02 20.20 5.48 13.80 91.26
    Matt Ryan 527.40 330.80 62.36 3,791.40 7.20 25.40 4.76 12.00 90.18
    Peyton Manning 563.40 349.80 62.06 4,123.60 7.34 27.60 4.92 20.00 85.90
    Tom Brady 509.00 315.20 62.00 3,605.80 7.14 24.60 4.86 13.20 88.60
    Drew Brees 361.80 225.00 60.82 2,469.60 7.08 16.00 4.32 10.60 86.64
    Andrew Luck 530.20 314.00 58.96 3,815.60 7.12 26.40 5.00 13.60 86.26


    • ocalarob says:

      IMO Tannehill should not be mentioned in that group of QBs, he may never reach their status except for maybe Luck.
      no doubt he had a good season last year, a lot of that had to do with a pro bowl #4 in rushing yards former RB. however he was still standing in the pocket for hours like he was herman munster and got sacked 29 times

  95. I know people want to fix the o-line with a guy in the first or second round but I’d be just as happy if we got Roquan Smith and his teammate Lorenzo Carter for our LB unit. I’m not sold on Kiko. He doesn’t have the speed to get to the outside and he can’t cover

  96. Sign Cutler at end of season. Trade Tannehill to the Browns for their 2nd first round pick. Trade down to get a pick or two extra. Take Roquan Smith and Mark Andrews in the first, Braden Smith in the 2nd and Logan Woodside in the 3rd.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      No way!

      • what don’t you like about it?

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Trading Tannehill for a 2nd for starters
        Rolling with Jay Cutler instead of tannehill

        If you want to part ways with tannehill – just draft a qb and see if that qb is realistically going to be better in ‘19
        Then trade one of them in 2019

        Don’t throw away your safety net in Tannehill if the draftee doesn’t pan out

        Especially for a 2nd

      • I didn’t say trade Tannehill for a 2nd. I said trade him for Cleveland’s 2nd first round pick.

      • The Flying Pig says:


        I’m still not eager to trade him without knowing we have our new franchise QB in place

        And cutler isn’t our franchise QB

        Maybe tannehill never gets to another level but I’m rolling with average until I know we have a better piece in place

        No draftee is a guaranty

      • Well, Tannehill hasn’t shown he’s a franchise qb either. there’s NO guarantee he’s the answer either. I think you’re taking a chance no matter what. I’m ready to move on. Of course, I’ve been ready to move on. I think we’ve got just as good a chance with Cutler running the offense as we’ve got with Tannehill and Cutler said he wants to continue to play.

        Draft Woodside and let him sit and learn behind Cutler and if he beats him out in camp next year he becomes the starter. If not, you’ve only got a 3rd rd pick at best invested in him and you let him sit another year if Cutler’s signed for 2 yrs.

        Of course, this is all speculation but I like to live in fantasy land.

      • I meant if Woodside beat out Cutler in camp in ’19

    • take a look at Woodside and my other fav from Toledo, his wr Cody Thompson:

  97. ocalarob says:

    mf13ss says:
    December 14, 2017 at 7:34 pm
    ocalarob says:
    December 14, 2017 at 8:41 am

    mf13ss says:
    December 13, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    But with that stated, Tannehill is NOT, NOT chopped liver. His biggest weakness is his lack of pocket-awareness, and that should be addressed by finally getting this O-Line FIXED (BOTH pass-pro and run-blocking)… THAT is the biggest conclusion one should arrive at: it’s ALL about our O-Line.

    I’m not sure it’s all about the OL with Tanny, he doesn’t have a clock, he stands in there way to long, these OL can only block so long. why doesn’t Cutler get sacked as much? you said yourself that his OL was worse than Tannys.

    But that’s not even the real argument, the real argument is having to resign Tannehill. I think he will command big $$ is it worth resigning a middle of the road maybe below average QB with a career QB rating of 86 to a multi year 25 mil per contract? especially when you have a veteran QB just as good that wont break the bank.
    i say fold on Tannehill and draft another future QB unless of course Gase thinks Fales can be the future and let whomever hold a clip board behind Cutler

  98. ocalarob says:

    you wont see Tannehill and Cutler on the same team next year, considering the money difference in the two who do you keep?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I’ve been oinking that all day

      We don’t even know if cutler will be playing in ‘18
      You can probably bet the house he won’t be playing in ‘19

    • Gase keeps saying Tannehill isn’t going anywhere but Gase also likes Cutler a lot; enough to go out and get him out of retirement to come back and play for him. If we get to 9-7 it may be a tough decision on whether or not to stay with Cutler or let him go and continue with Tannehill. Either give you an out in a year or two because we can move on from Tannehill with minimum cap damage after this season and Cutler would most likely only be signed to a 2 yr deal.

      It could also hinge on the type of value we’d receive for Tannehill in a trade. If it’s good enough we may take it and run because there’s no guarantee Tannehill is going to do any better for us than Cutler in ’18.

      If we could get the value we want in a trade and keep Cutler I’d do that in a heartbeat and draft a guy to groom behind Cutler. But, in the end, I think we’re sticking with Tannehill.

  99. wyoming85 says:

    I don’t know about all the TannyTrading?
    But I agree with Lou! I would be really happy with a pair of Rackwans at LB!

  100. The Flying Pig says:

    The only thing from stopping me from pushing for a 1st round TE
    Is the last of talent in the TE class

  101. olddolphan says:

    HAD A CONVO with my ticket rep this morning about some issues I have may have to address re: my wife’s declining health and the possible need to have wheelchair location next season UNLESS her upcoming surgery does away with that need.
    The issue of switching the retro jerseys to the regular jerseys came up. He told me they’ve received a HUGE number of season ticket holders preferring the older style look. Apparently, we’re stuck with the “skinny dolphin” look, replete with the Jacksonville shade of aqua, for at least another season. But the FO is considering a return, at some time, to the favorably received older retro jerseys which they believe will sell like hotcakes.


    Maybe Ross is actually beginning to listen to his customer base?!?!

    Tomorrow I’ll study the injury reports and, likely, come up with a prediction for the Buffalo game. Last year’s OT game in Buffalo was, in my view, THE GREATEST MIAMI WIN EVER in the city of Buffalo!!! Moore was awesome in the clutch! And how about Frank’s 55-yard FG in the rain to get the Fins into OT??? –Maybe this is the start of ANOTHER 20-win streak against the Bills?

  102. Piggy,
    I’m not fixed on any position either and, to me, I don’t care if we went defense OR offense heavy in a previous draft. If a player is there that’s going to upgrade a position and he’s got the potential to be an elite player at his position I’d take him no matter what side of the ball he plays on.

    And, I like playmakers. Offensive linemen, especially guards, are not playmakers. So, if we’re in a position to take either Nelson or Smith in the first I’m taking Smith all day, every day. But, there’s any number of guys I like in the first so it also depends on where we’re drafting.

    Mark Andrews is another guy I’ve mentioned numerous times. He looks to be the top TE in the draft and if we’re in the teens again I would take a shot at him. A pass catching TE that’s a mismatch is a great weapon to have. Add him to what we’ve got and it definitely helps.

  103. ElephantRider says:

    RT17 isn’t making $25M next year…..

    RT17 is a team guy. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised one bit if he restructures……

    I think it’s wrong to assume if Cutler were to stay he’d only command $10M…..he’d be just as much as RT17 and I’ll take RT17 everyday over him.

    • I think it’s possible Cutler would re-sign with the team for less than what Tannehill is getting next season. If we get to 9-7 or even 8-8 and we could parlay a Tannehill trade into at least another 1st rd pick I’d take it. If there was a deal out there that was good enough I’d do it and the reason why is because we could use the picks to build in areas of need.

      There’s no guarantee Tannehill is still with the team beyond ’18 to begin with because there’s no guarantee he turns out to be the guy we need back there. Sign Cutler to a 2 year deal and run with it. Draft a young guy like Woodside and develop him behind Cutler while using the picks obtained in a Tannehill trade and the other picks we have to beef up the team with some more talent. If Gase is truly a qb whisperer he can take a guy like Woodside and win with him.

      It’s just my opinion, of course, but Woodside looks like he’s got more upside than Tannehill did coming out of college. As a pure passer he’s head and shoulders above what he was coming out and he’s mobile enough to avoid pressure and use his legs to scramble.

  104. I’m on board with winning out. Let’s do this thing, finish strong to end the season and get to the playoffs.

    Dilly Dilly!!

  105. Mike E. says:

    Rob – You’re killing me brother! I want to work for Parcells free salary. I’d pay for everyone to come to the Fest!

    • ocalarob says:

      He completed his executed contract when the team sold, That money was in the bank.
      he was then able to either renegotiate or go get another job
      I don’t think you would continue to work for a company that wasn’t paying you.

      • Mike E. says:

        He was paid in full for a 4 year contract. So you call that working for free? I guess we have different ideas of what free is, but I do understand your point that he got a ridiculous contract in which he was paid in full with an opt out clause. People say Ros is an idiot, but Huizenga takes the cake!

      • ocalarob says:

        I think your confusing an hourly job over contract work. both parties agreed and are bound by the contract they signed. Wayne did what he had to do to get a proven winner at the helm. something Ross has been unable to do.

        Parcels should get props for sticking around as long as he did

  106. Mike E. says:


    Being totally serious here. Do you really believe an NFL GM is going to give the Dolphins a 1st RD pick in the 2018 NFL draft for a QB coming off knee surgery?

  107. ocalarob says:

    Mike, i don’t think Ross liked Parcels, I will give Ross credit for trying to get Harbaugh though, imagine what we would be talking about now if that came to fruition.

    • Mike E. says:

      I don’t like Parcells either. I look back at what he assembled here in Miami, and I really think he half assed the whole thing. Bringing in Ireland and Sparano, and those old over the hill coordinators in Henning Pasqualoni, it was like “Hey, I’ll just take a bunch of guys I know, this way I don’t actually have to research or interview anyone, besides, I’m Bill Parcells, I’m bulletproof, no one will question anything I do”

      • ocalarob says:

        on the other hand i thought he did a great job with personnel bringing in that center from SF, Jake long and the other OL he brought in , getting Pennington, getting Ricky and Ronnie in the fold. he was focused on running the ball. he came out of the gates on fire, won the division that year. it would seem he lost focus when the team failed to address his contract status. Atlanta was heavily pursuing him, he turned them down to come to Miami because he liked Wayne, I don’t think he shared the same sentiment with Ross.

  108. pheloniusphish says:

    Tannehill is a franchise QB. Some want to conflate franchise with elite. They are not the same. Franchise QB sometimes play at an elite level (see Joe Flacco, Matty Ice, Russel Wilson, Day Prescott), but not always.

    Tannehill is better than any college QB in the draft. Every college QB is a crap shoot (see Cleveland) and the vast majority do not pan out. For every Wentz there are a dozen Brady Quinn’s. You don’t trade away your franchise QB for a long shot. You do draft young QB and let them compete.

    Cutler does not offer more than Tannehill. Until his knee injury, RT was consistently verging on top 10 QB territory. He didn’t start that way, but few QB outside of Marino did. Brady didn’t, Elway didn’t, Aikman didn’t, Breez didn’t, Rogers couldn’t get on the field for 4 years, Luck hasn’t been any better. When the team was losing, you (the general you) were breaking out pitchforks and torches to run Cutler out of town. Half the people here were considering slitting their wrists over signing him. I recall much wailing about Cutler playing scared, throwing while backing up when he didn’t need to back up, not waiting for routes to develop and more. I like Cutler as a stop gap until RT is back, but you have to be be prepared for this 3 interception games that he has. Fingers crossed that he doesn’t have anymore this year and he plays like he did last week.

    I also believe Moore is gone next year. But don’t be surprised if they figure out a way to keep Cutler to replace him. They can clear plenty of cap room to do what they want. I think/hope the days of high price free agents (I do not include Landry in that – I think he is resigned) are over. The defensive backfield is coming around nicely, LB are a work in progress (but they seem to have found some workable pieces), DL is young except for Wake, and I’m not sure he is back next year.

    Offensively, they probably still need a playmaker at WR. Parker doesn’t appear to be it. A late round RB, early round TE. Guards and Centers, maybe a swing tackle.

  109. Mike E. says:

    Rob – I’m not confusing anything. 4 Years, he worked 2 and 1/2. I didn’t cite anything about hours, just years. I also get the retarded opt out clause brainless Huizenga gave the rotten tuna. He should have just paid Parcells, and hired someone else to run the franchise, since the money was thrown out anyway.

  110. pheloniusphish says:

    Tannehill is a relative bargain next year for a franchise QB at $17.5 M.

  111. pheloniusphish says:

    No way they are paying JuWan James $9.3 M next year. Either he signs for a whole lot less or they don’t exercise his 5th year option. Three weeks to see if his replacement is already on the roster.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I thought no the teams first priority is signing Landry
      That Mando article incubates it may be in the works or about to be in the works

      After that, I think you might have room to keep James at that rate

      He’s been our best OL at times

      It may be a little risky to part ways with both Pouncey and James in the same offseason
      And given the same salary concerns and production, between the 2 – Pouncey is probably gone

      • The Flying Pig says:

        If they did part ways with James and Pouncey I would expect that to seal the deal in terms of our 1st rounder being OL

      • pheloniusphish says:

        Only at times and James is hurt almost as often as Pouncy. I agree Pouncy is probably done. I think they will try to sign James to a much lower number than $9 M and if he won’t take it they will let him walk.

      • pheloniusphish says:

        And yes, I think Landry is a priority.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Of course he is a priority
        I won’t have any jerseys left to wear if he’s not with our team in 18

  112. Mike E. says:

    Piggy – Can articles incubate?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Over time…

      Wtf I can’t even remember what I meant to say

      • Mike E. says:

        Somehow I picture you sitting behind your desk dictating your posts to a woman who doesn’t speak English or understand half the things you say, and we get the net result. 🙂

        Oh, you’re wearing pants when I imagine that. lol

        I know, it’s all wrong . . . .

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I’m just relieved to know you aren’t imagining me without pants…

  113. Mike E. says:

    It would be great if we could get James to agree to pay cut, but I wouldn’t count on it.

  114. stangerx says:

    We’ve heard about football Dads….Grant has a football Mom.
    Q from Lieser — Wow. Your mom lights you up over that [drop last game]? My mom would’ve said, ‘You did a good job trying so hard, honey,’ or something like that.
    Grant –“Yeah. Not mine.”

    Q — No exaggerating at all on this: Is there a coach here who’s as hard on you as she is?
    Grant –“My mom is definitely the worst, because she won’t let it go. If I have a great performance in the next game, then she’ll let it go. If not, she’s stuck on it.”

    Q — I’ve gotta ask Gase in the press conference now: Did Jakeem Grant’s mother call you about the drop?
    Grant — “Man, he threatens it, too. He threatens me by saying, ‘If you’re not doing what I ask you, I will call your mom.’ Come on, Coach. We’ve gotta go there?”

    Q — You’re joking. Gase says that?
    Grant — “Yeah.”

    Q — Why is everyone treating you like a child? Is it just because you’re short?
    Grant — “It’s because that’s my mom.”


  115. The Flying Pig says:

  116. The Flying Pig says:

  117. drg says:

    Cutler has one good game against a sub par defense and now he’s the long term answer? Uh…. pass.

    For the money he’ll want Cutler is not the answer. Tannehill has gone from overrated to underrated since the knee injury. He’s overpaid for sure, but so is almost every QB on a non-rookie deal. I’m hoping we draft a high potential QB this year, but Tannehill is the guy until proven otherwise.

    We have to get our OL in good shape before considering a new QB. Defense has got to improve too.

  118. wyoming85 says:

    Adam Beasley‏Verified account
    9m9 minutes ago
    Dolphins injury report: Branch questionable. Bushrod out. Howard questionable. Moore doubtful. Phillips questionable. Tankersley doubtful. Michael Thomas doubtful. Williams doubtful,

  119. Randy says:

    What? You guys had another Tannehill debate and didn’t invite me? Lol

  120. BailBondMike says:

    Cutler will cost as much as tanny next year after you factor in tanny’s dead money and Cutler will want more than 10 mil (IMO).

  121. BailBondMike says:

    Lou, I agree on our first pick. I would be happy with 4 or more different players: OG Nelson, DE Chubb, LB Smith, TE Andrews. Blocking scheme re: Nelson is a non factor as ND uses a zone scheme much of the time. ND struggled against UM but it wasn’t because of their left side, it was the pressure coming from the right side catching the RB from behind.

    • naplesfan2010 says:

      That’s a great group. They were on my list as well.

    • mf13ss says:

      Indeed, BB Mike (on Notre Dame utilizing a ZBS). As I stated yesterday (and you probably already knew this) Nelson can pull pretty well. He’s one of the very few who can MAUL, PULL, AND protect your QB… and that’s why he’s an ELITE prospect in any scheme.

  122. Ken says:

    Totally agree with and great post by DRG at 2:53

  123. olddolphan says:

    TWO CO-workers in my office, both Dolphin Fans, are getting married tomorrow. MAY take my Dolphins Flag (3 feet by 5 feet) to the ceremony and break it out at the big meal after the ceremony! –Probably will dispense with the Dolphins’ fight song, though, much to Mrs. OD’s relief!!

  124. mf13ss says:

    This would be my DREAM O-Line for the future (don’t worry, we won’t draft ALL of these guys, LOL)…

    LT: Laremy Tunsil (he’ll settle in, trust)
    LG: Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame
    C (or RG): Frank Ragnow, Arkansas
    RG (or C): Billy Price, Ohio State
    RT: Joseph Noteboom, TCU

    Kenyan Drake could run for close to 2,000 yards behind these guys while Tannehill could have all day to throw.

    • mf13ss says:

      This starting O-Line would cost us roughly and only $7.5M for the 2018 season. Talk about saving $$$ with rookie contracts.

  125. wyoming85 says:

    When Fandom goes BAD!

  126. Tim Knight says:

    We should do a poll if Tannehill will be the starter, challenged for the job or traded in 2018. LOL

  127. olddolphan says:

    Dolphins lead this all-time series 60-45-1. The last 10 games played in Buffalo have gone 6 wins to the Bills, 4 for Miami. Last year’s Miami win 34-31 in O.T. was, in my opinion, the greatest Miami win ever in Buffalo! Still can’t believe Franks’ 55 yard FG through the rain that got Miami into the O.T.!! Matt Moore and Jay Ajayi where HUGE in the O.T. as the Fins got this key win that propelled them to the playoffs.

    Last week, the Bills were very lucky to beat a crappy Colts team in Overtime. Miami’s win over the Patriots was MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE!

    Game time temperature is forecast to be 28 degrees with NO SNOW. Over 70,000 fat, drunk and ugly Bills’ fans will be screaming for their home team. When the game ends, they’ll still be fat, drunk and ugly. And they’ll also be heart broken.

    Miami wins 23-17. They won’t need the 3 point spread to cover this game!!

  128. mf13ss says:

    Ahmed Fareed‏Verified account
    57m57 minutes ago
    More Ahmed Fareed Retweeted John Shea
    So, by picking up the Matt Moore option the Giants get a couple prospects. The return won’t be great.

  129. mf13ss says:

    Dan Szymborski‏Verified account
    51m51 minutes ago
    So Matt Moore essentially replaces Andrew Cashner in the “man, remember how good he was in 2013?” role.

  130. mf13ss says:

    Jon Wilson‏
    43m43 minutes ago
    Trading for Matt Moore made sense. Now, with the Giants exploring pricey trades/free agents and Stratton, Blach, Beede and Suarez all vying for opportunities next season, trading Moore for salary relief/prospects also makes sense.

  131. mf13ss says:

    59m59 minutes ago
    I’m a-ok not having to watch any more Matt Moore starts.

  132. Tim Knight says:

    M13, what are these Matt Moore posts about?

  133. wyoming85 says:

    Stephen King‏Verified account
    4h4 hours ago
    I unfollowed Mike Pence. He is Negan.


    Ok I know I’m old! But WTF is a Negan????????????

  134. wyoming85 says:

    LOL @MF13 trying to get a rise out of the board!

  135. Tim Knight says:

    M13, why are you posting about baseball, I thought you don’t even follow it?

  136. Tim Knight says:

    Question for the FF peeps.
    Rodgers is reportedly going to be activated this week. Goff was my IR pick up for him. I can’t keep Goff or I lose Rodgers putting him back into the 4 man protect draft pool in 2018. Wentz was my drafted backup and now he’s done – he likely won’t be ready for the start of the 2018 season. So I put him on IR and still own his rights and picked up… wait for it… Case Keenum. He’s the highest rated QB available. 🙂

    I’m in round 2 of the playoffs. Who would you start at QB?

    • herdfan says:

      That made my head hurt. 😉

      • Tim Knight says:


        If Rodgers is activated off IR I have to release Goff. Wentz is done and on IR so Case Keenum replaces him.

        I guess I’m going to choose between Rodgers who is a wildcard, and a guy in Keenum who has really played well for the Vikes. Who would you start?

      • Ken says:

        I would not start Keenum. I am not dissing him but his career has been more journeyman than stud. I know he has been doing well but I still wouldn’t trust. He struggled in crunch time last week. I love Goff right now and he is playing exceptionally well but IMO Rodgers is the best QB in football. He is still young enough where you can’t justify letting him go for Goff. I think you have to start Rodgers even though I think Goff is probably the better play this week

  137. Tim Knight says:

    Thanks Ken for verifying my conundrum. Seriously! LOL

    My plan in 2018 was possibly trading Rodgers and keeping Wentz moving into a new era. But that has all changed. I have to take my chance on Rodgers being ready, and that it’s not a sham and he’s not going to play. In my league he’s still on IR. But looks like he’ll be my QB at least in 2018 now. Wentz probably won’t be ready for the 1st qtr of the season.

    • Ken says:

      Wentz and Goff would have been a hell of a combo. However, given the current state of things I think Rodgers is still your best bet

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yeah me too. He’s earned that trust. But he’s coming in cold regardless of practice. He’s also Rodgers.

        If there is one QB who could throw it like Marino it’s Rodgers. He is also extremely mobile. He has a crazy skill set.

  138. ocalarob says:

    we need to shut down McCoy, front 7 need to step up and stop this cut back guy.

  139. Mike E. says:


    I have Wentz, and had to IR him as well. My backup is Cousins, but it’s funny, because I also picked up Keenum. I’m going with Cousins though this week, this is Playoffs week 1, but if I get through, I’ll check the matchups next week. If Cousins has a really tough matchup, I may go with Keenum if he doesn’t. This is also a keeper league, so I’m going to protect both Wentz and Cousins for next season

    • Mike E. says:

      Oh, and to answer your question, I’d probably go with Keenum this week, Rams playing Seattle is not ideal, even if they’re only the Legion of Gloom. lol The Cincy defense isn’t nearly as good as SEA.

  140. I’m not trying to go down the road I went down before with Tannehill but I seriously believe that, if we go 9-7, the team has a definite decision to make. Plenty of people don’t think other teams would be interested in trading for a guy coming off a knee injury then why would we be ready to put all our eggs in one basket with that same guy coming off a knee injury.

    But, the real conundrum would come from if Cutler continues to play well the remaining three games. So much has been made of how well Tannehill started to play better as he progressed thru the season. Well, what if the same can be said about Cutler? What if he continues to do well?

    Then we definitely have a decision to make and, IMO (of course) we would do better to try and get picks for a qb that many a Phins fan feels is a franchise qb and trade him. If we have a guy in house who can carry the team for the next two years while we develop a young talent behind him why wouldn’t you want to do it?

    I’m not saying the team will. Most likely we’ll see Tannehill at the helm again next season and if you feel that’s the best thing for the team then so be it. My beef with the whole situation would be we finally would have a way to help the team out by bringing in some extra talent because we’ve got trade bait. If you truly believe this guy can win games for this team then the argument can’t be that he’s not worth much in a trade. You can’t have it both ways.

    All I’m saying is if the situation arises we should consider it. If we shit the bed and Cutler regresses then it’s a different story. But, we go 9-7 and Cutler is a big part of the success then we SHOULD have a qb controversy.

  141. Mike E. says:


    As you know, there’s a big difference between trading for a player, giving up future assets, than expecting your own player, who knows the current system like the back of his hand, to recover from a knee injury. It’s just the reality of sports. Make a trade for a player coming off a knee injury that hasn’t played, and you look like a fool. The Dophins have plenty of time to evaluate RT, because he’s here. They have a constant pulse on his recovery, so they’ll know how he’s progressing better than any other team could possibly know. It’s just too risky and the optics would be terrible if a GM traded for RT and he had a setback with his knee.

    • But, do you think we should just stay with the status quo or do you think we should draft a qb no matter what? What if WE go with Tannehill and he ends up not fully recovering from the injury or, worse yet, injures the same knee. It happens. Look at Thomas Davis from the Panthers.

      And, IF we draft a qb it’s got to be a guy we’re putting time into developing or is competition for the starting job. This same shit, different day stuff isn’t cutting it. If we stay with Tannehill another season and he doesn’t do what we need to get out of him then it’s too late to say “okay, we need to draft a guy NEXT year”. That’s BS

      • Mike E. says:

        I think we should draft a QB, but I can’t say we need to make it a high priority, RD 1 or RD2. I’m all for drafting a QB, and maybe even in RD1 or RD2 if there was a player we felt would be the right fit for us. I’d still like to build the O-line and get a freaking TE, but I’m cool with drafting a QB

  142. The Flying Pig says:


    I have a feeling we won;t start 4 rookies on the OL next year….lol

    If they pulled it off and had a draft with 4 starters on the OL it would probably the best draft in out history

  143. Mike E. says:


    Sure, RT could have a setback, but a rookie QB you draft could also get injured. It’s a rough sport. At this point, there’s no reason not to expect a good recovery from RT, but you never know, shit does happen. Any player is an injury risk, no matter how clean they have been in college etc.

  144. pheloniusphish says:

    What makes a franchise QB? What separates the elite from the franchise? By pretty much any measure Tannehill is a franchise QB when compared to those commonly accepted as franchise QB. In my opinion (And no opinion is humble. If it was humble it wouldn’t be an opinion.), the defifference between elite and franchise is that elite can consistently carry the team, whereas the franchise can do it occasionally.

    2016 through 13 games, except for Brady who was suspended for 4:
    Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int QBR Sk Yds Y/A AY/A
    Ryan Tannehill 261 389 67.10% 2995 19 12 93.5 29 216 7.7 7.29
    The Franchises
    Matt Ryan 302 442 68.01% 4050 30 7 112.5 31 206 9.15 9.81
    Joe Flacco 358 549 65.21% 3582 17 12 85.0 25 194 6.62 6.23
    Russel Wilson 286 443 64.81% 3382 13 10 91.5 32 248 7.83 7.52
    Cam Newton 234 435 53.16% 3074 17 9 80.0 31 232 7.03 6.89
    Philip Rivers 287 464 62.92% 3589 27 17 92.5 33 172 7.88 7.59
    The Elites
    Tom Brady (12 Games) 291 432 67.36% 3554 28 2 112.2 15 87 8.23 9.31
    Aaron Rodgers 327 502 65.51% 3529 32 7 103.4 26 175 7.22 8.07
    Drew Brees 382 541 7074.69% 4170 30 14 101.0 20 139 7.77 7.70
    Ben Roethlisberger 328 509 6475.50% 3819 29 13 95.2 17 141 7.69 7.75

  145. pheloniusphish says:

    Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int QBR Sk Yds Y/A AY/A
    Ryan Tannehill 261 389 67.10% 2995 19 12 93.5 29 216 7.70 7.29
    The Franchises
    Matt Ryan 302 442 68.01% 4050 30 7 112.5 31 206 9.15 9.81
    Joe Flacco 358 549 65.21% 3582 17 12 85.0 25 194 6.62 6.23
    Russel Wilson 286 443 64.81% 3382 13 10 91.5 32 248 7.83 7.52
    Cam Newton 234 435 53.16% 3074 17 9 80.0 31 232 7.03 6.89
    Philip Rivers 287 464 62.92% 3589 27 17 92.5 33 172 7.88 7.59
    The Elites
    Tom Brady* 291 432 67.36% 3554 28 2 112.2 15 87 8.23 9.31
    Aaron Rodgers 327 502 65.51% 3529 32 7 103.4 26 175 7.22 8.07
    Drew Brees 382 541 70.74% 4170 30 14 101.0 20 139 7.77 7.70
    Ben Roethlisberger 328 509 64.75% 3819 29 13 95.2 17 141 7.69 7.75

    There, that’s better.

  146. mf13ss says:

    The Flying Pig says:
    December 16, 2017 at 9:52 am

    I have a feeling we won;t start 4 rookies on the OL next year….lol

    If they pulled it off and had a draft with 4 starters on the OL it would probably the best draft in out history
    You and I both know it would never happen. For one, we need some continuity on the O-Line going into next season. For two, there are plenty of other positions that need to be addressed as well.

    But I’ve gotta say… it wouldn’t suck! It would be an O-Line lover’s delight!

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I figured it was a fantasy draft that you didn’t expect to happen

      But honestly I have always loved the idea of drafting entire units together and letting them grow together – it’s just super risky, especially when it’s the OL and the mistakes can kill an offense

      It would be hard to survive the rookie mistakes and still have a good season – it would probably pay off over time though

  147. mf13ss says:

    BB Mike,

    I believe it was you who was referring to the Tackle from Pittsburgh a few weeks ago. His name is Brian O’Neil and he declared for the NFL Draft just yesterday. He ended giving up just 1 sack all season and he can play both LT and RT. Yes… he looks to be VERY good.

  148. I think the quarterback sitseation (and I spelled it as Bugs Bunny would) in Miami is fluid. If Cutler is a big part of the success of this team going forward and we finish on a high note and possibly make the playoffs the situation isn’t as clear as many think it is. Especially if we make the playoffs and win a game. Then what happens?

    If that were to happen there’s definitely a discussion at the end of the season about what to do at the quarterback position with this team.

    • mf13ss says:

      I think that’s a moot conversation until IF it actually happens. That’s a lot of speculation (all good), but we could just as easily end up going 0-3 for the rest of the season.

      • Then a lot of the topics on here are moot until they actually happen. We come on here to just throw shit out and see if it sticks. That’s what we do here.

        Yeah, it’s speculation, but my point is if it does happen that we win out and especially if we make the playoffs and win a game there’s every reason to believe everyone within the organization who is anybody will be saying they need to have that discussion. It’s a valid point.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      By that logic, Earl Morrall should have been Miami’s QB in ’73 and Griese traded away.

  149. pheloniusphish says:

    Cutler has a much larger body of work to draw on when evaluating QB play. He has played at a high level for stretches before, then played like shit for stretches.That has always been the knock on him. Tannehill has gotten progressively better throughout his career and was really taking off last year under Gase. Let’s face it, Miami didn’t exactly have QB friendly coaches until Gase. And that’s why you don’t trade him and keep Cutler. Upside. You know what you have in Cutler and Tannehill’s floor is Cutler’s ceiling. I like Cutler…think he was the best we could do this year and I would love to see him back as a back up. Draft a young QB, let him compete by all means. But don’t throw the baby out with the wash.

    • Mike E. says:

      I agree. He had an upward trajectory every season but one, and he just took a slight step back in a bad season for the team in general. I put up his stats in the last 7 games last season, and they are impressive. No reason to think he can’t duplicate that next season, or maybe even improve.

      • His best years were actually under the “hated” Bill Lazor when Lazor had him throwing the ball 45 times a game. He was a bit more consistent last year under Gase because he had a run game to support him. Let’s not make this out to be something it’s not.

    • Tannehill has played a few good games and has played great in less than a hand full of games. Most of his games weren’t that good. He hasn’t gotten progressively better and last season was the first time he showed some promise in the middle part of the season up to his injury.

      You could also say the same thing about Cutler that you say about Tannehill. Cutler has had multiple head coaches and offensive coordinators throughout his career and had his best year under Gase in Chicago. So, it’s the first time in his career he’s had a qb friendly coach like Gase. So, I just don’t think the situation is cut and dry.

      I also don’t see how you can say that Tannehill’s floor is Cutler’s ceiling. That just doesn’t make any sense. Do you really think Tannehill is going to continue to progress and morph into something other than what we’ve seen? He has shown that if you put the people around him he can get it done but that’s it. He’s never going to be a guy who can win games for you consistently, meaning, Tannehill is a game manager and nothing more. He does what you ask of him but isn’t the guy who’s going to take things into his own hands and win the game.

    • mf13ss says:

      Be careful when using the term “upside” with Tannehill. He’ll be 30 next season, it will be his 7 year in the league (6th playing), and he’s coming off of 2 ACL injuries in the same knee. It’s not as though he doesn’t have an established body of work, either.

      Daunte Culpepper comes to mind… though Culpepper was a FAR better QB than Tannehill ever was.

      As y’all know, I support Tannehill 100%… but let’s not pretend that he’s just scratching the surface of what he’s capable of doing. He’s probably on the downside of his career at this point between his knee and ALL of the sacks/hits he’s taken over the many years.

      • mf13ss says:

        And Culpepper wrecked his knee in his 6th year in the NFL. Tannehill wrecked his knee in his 6th year in the NFL (twice). If history repeats itself, perhaps we should go after the QB with the wrecked throwing arm (Brees).

    • Tim Knight says:

      Agreed and we’re not dumping Tannehill. You can put it in the bank. 🙂

      • mf13ss says:

        Agreed. Tannehill will be with us next season and as the starter.

      • The thing that gets me about this is how there’s so many people who actually think it’s a good thing that we’re not dumping him. Do people think it’s really that impossible to replace this guy? Do they believe that he’s played so well that there’s just NO way we could possibly find someone who could be better than him? Seriously, it just boggles the mind.

  150. Mike E. says:


    No pretending. Look at what he did the last 7 games of last season. Aren’t you quick to point to Keenum’s last 11 games? RT is finally in a good position with a HC that believes in him, and found out how to help him improve, and he did. If he can duplicate what he did the last 7 games of ’16, we’re fine at QB. If he can improve a little bit, even better.

    • mf13ss says:

      Keenum has very little tread on his tires and has not been subjected to over 200 sacks. What’s more, Keenum hasn’t wrecked his knee TWICE since he last played.

      I’m not trying to take away from Tannehill, but let’s be realistic about his knee injury.

  151. Mike E. says:


    Tannehill didn’t shred his knee like Culpepper did. He also technically didn’t do it tice, because he never had surgery to repair the initial damage, and then it finally tore. It wasn’t a brutal knee injury, just a run of the mill ACL tear.

    • mf13ss says:

      It’s WORSE because Tannehill never had surgery on it the first time. All the doctors in the world have stated that he damaged it all the more because of this fact. It sucks!

      • right and, if anything, his “supporters” should be pissed at him for such a bonehead move. instead, they can’t wait to see him come back because they think he’s going to light the world on fire.

      • Tim Knight says:

        It wasn’t a bad tear and all reports are he’s healing well and has already been throwing.

      • Ken says:

        That is not true. Not having the surgery doesn’t cause additional damage. In fact surgery can cause damage such as scar tissue. You have to weigh whether or the surgical repair will outweigh the ill effects of surgery.

  152. mf13ss says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    December 16, 2017 at 12:01 pm
    Then a lot of the topics on here are moot until they actually happen. We come on here to just throw shit out and see if it sticks. That’s what we do here.

    Yeah, it’s speculation, but my point is if it does happen that we win out and especially if we make the playoffs and win a game there’s every reason to believe everyone within the organization who is anybody will be saying they need to have that discussion. It’s a valid point.
    And that’s why I stated, “all good”, regarding speculation. Do you realize that you’re stirring a QB controversy when there really isn’t one (yet)? LOL

    Cutler may retire and call it a career!

  153. I’m sorry but I just don’t know how anyone can be excited about a Phins season if Tannehill is going to be the quarterback.

    • Ken says:

      Because he has played well for us. We were 8-5 when he got hurt and he was hot at that time. Say what you want but he was playing well in 2016.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I will be. He was playing at a high level when he got hurt and I think he’ll rebound from the injury and continue to progress. 🙂

      The way the offense is shaping up with Drake and hopefully Williams back, with Tannhill’s mobility those guys are going to catch a lot of passes and get chunk yards. They’ll be open off of rollouts and bootlegs. We can do a lot of movement stuff.

      • he wasn’t playing at a high level. the team was winning games with him at qb. We won some games with Ajayi’s running and we had to win some games with defensive and special teams scores. where was he playing at a high level?

        again, the offense led the league in 3 and out’s last season? where was this high level of play?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      It was actually the Tannehill injury that took the wind out of my wings in the preseason

      I would be excited about a rookie too

      But starting the season with cutler and Moore is kind of…meh…

  154. mf13ss says:

    Ken says:
    December 16, 2017 at 12:16 pm
    That is not true. Not having the surgery doesn’t cause additional damage. In fact surgery can cause damage such as scar tissue. You have to weigh whether or the surgical repair will outweigh the ill effects of surgery.
    You are adding your own version, Ken. The doctors never stated that not having the surgery would CAUSE additional damage. Being Tannehill’s ACL wasn’t stabilized after the first injury, it was left susceptible to additional damage (ie: another injury, hit, etc). The overall trauma to his knee has now been been doubled being he re-injured it. So instead of it being a one-time injury, it became a two-time injury.

    • Ken says:

      I have not read one article or medical opinion that has stated this. Every thing I have read indicates the knee was satisfactorily repaired and his prognosis is fine. I think you are adding speculation that is not based on the medical reality as it has been reported

  155. olddolphan says:

    ALL THIS QB TALK IS PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE!! It doesn’t make a damn bit of difference WHO are quarterback is if they are forced to play behind one of the NFL’s WORST offensive lines. Sooner or later (and likely “sooner”) our starting QB will spend time on the injured list. Tannehill, missed entire season. Cutler, missed several games. Moore. missed several games. DO WE DETECT A TREND, HERE??? HELLO, ARE WE AWAKE???

    WE MUST take at least 2 O-Linemen in the first 4 rounds of the draft this time. Period!! Our failure to draft ANY O-Linemen in the first 4 rounds last draft really came back to bite us in the ass this season. SO, to T-Bomb, Grier, and the rest of the “DOOFUS BRIGADE,” I say “Thanks for NOTHING!!”

    MF-13—those guys you’ve been recommending for our O-Line appear to be able to provide for our #1 need. Indeed the 2 you’re highest on probably could earn starts in game #1 of the upcoming regular season. If Baker Mayfield is still available in round 3 (as Ken seems to suggest) I say “take him, or someone like him who we can develop into a legit NFL quarterback. Otherwise, be prepared for more injuries for our quarterbacks!

  156. mf13ss says:

    I see the Tannehomers are in full swing, as are the Tannehaters, LOL.

    • pheloniusphish says:

      As is Doctor /Scout Mf13ss.

    • Ken says:

      What because I stated medical facts as opposed to speculation?

    • It’s all my fault. I’ll admit it. I just want this team to get better and I don’t see it happening if we just stay with the status quo. Cutler isn’t the answer long term. I understand that. But, that’s why I say draft a qb to develop behind him.

      Tannehill isn’t the answer long term either. Even if he comes back from his injury next year he’s going to be 30 and he’s got maybe two or three seasons at best remaining. I just don’t want to see the team go that long without drafting a qb and when he’s ready to go or they finally decide it’s time for him to go they wait until the very end to draft a qb and throw another rookie in there day one.

      • Ken says:

        I disagree with you in that I think Tannehill can effectively lead this team. But I do agree with you that would should draft a QB to develop. Drafting QBs to develop is always a sound strategy.

      • I’m not saying this to be a dick Ken but Tannehill doesn’t have leadership ability. He’s never shown he’s a leader or that he’s THE leader of the offense or the team.

      • Ken says:

        I disagree Lou he was leading the team just fine in 2016. We just disagree

      • Tannehill stands back there and calls a play. Maybe he changes it. Did you notice what Cutler was doing back there on Monday night? He was in fuggin command. Command. Huge difference. Tannehill might be athletic and have a big arm but he doesn’t SEE things.

  157. Tim Knight says:

    We’ll see in 2018.

    Go Phins!!!

  158. mf13ss says:

    professorloumiamidolphinsblog says:
    December 16, 2017 at 12:34 pm
    Woodside will be there in rd 3. take him and develop him behind wonder boy. if we keep tannehill next year and draft Woodside I’ll be happy because I know it won’t be long before Woodside gets the starting position away from Tannehill.
    Now THAT’S what I’m talking about. That’s a POSITIVE solution, instead of endlessly debating Cutler vs Tannehill.

    I doubt Matt Moore is in our future (seems Gase doesn’t like him), and we’re not going to start a rookie next season unless we draft a QB in round 1 (doubt that happens). Draft a decent QB in Woodside and get him ready for the ’19 season, if need be.

    • yeah, if the plan is to bring him back and draft a qb to develop in case things don’t work out I’ll be on board with that. of course, it’s not my decision so they may just decide to go with Tannehill and Fales. But, with the dead money in RT’s contract make him “dumpable” or they can trade him because we now have a developed starter from the draft I’m good with that.

      If he turns out to be the guy I’m good with that too but I don’t see that happening. If we go into next season with him penciled in as the starter I just don’t think we do anything consistently and I don’t want to waste another two years to finally find out it’s time to draft another guy

  159. Ken says:

    Alright off to take the boys to see Star Wars and for myself off course

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Let us know how it is!

      I really hope my favorite character in the universe has a bigger part
      Being eaten by a rancor or a pit is no way to represent pigkind

  160. mf13ss says:


    So much for trying to discredit me. Perhaps Tannehomers can’t or don’t read? Hmmm…

    • Ken says:

      That article doesn’t say anything contrary to what I said. After the injury this summer there was no choice for reconstruction of the knee. The point is the failure to have the surgery was not a causative factor in the 2nd injury. There is nothing in that article that suggests he won’t be fine or ready for next season.

  161. Mike E. says:

    M – My point about Keenum is this, he simply never played anywhere NEAR the level he’s playing at now. He’s in a good situation, in the right offense , with the right coach. I believe the same situation exists for Tannehill. No need to make more of his knee injury than what it is. He’s going to most likely be fine come training camp. Tannehill was playing at a very high level the last 7 games in ’16, and I expect him to get right back to that.

  162. Rhino says:

    NY Times has a great simulator online for all games remaining in one big easy to see format. Change the winner of any game and it recalculates the % of getting whatever playoff spot you set it for.
    Essentially, we need to win out and have Titans lose 2 of 3. 🙂

  163. wyoming85 says:

    Shrine Game‏
    32m32 minutes ago
    Quinton Flowers of University of South Florida has accepted the invitation to play in the 2018 East-West #ShrineGame – http://ht.ly/mEE930hgBr9 @SpotTheBall_9 @USouthFlorida

  164. BailBondMike says:

    M13, it wasn’t me that mentioned Brian O’Neil. I did mention LT Adam Bisnowatty, and LG Dorian Johnson who were drafted this year our of Pittsburg and are sitting on their respective teams PS. I thought it might be worth poaching one of them to get them on the roster going into next year.

  165. mf13ss says:

    Mike E. says:
    December 16, 2017 at 1:11 pm
    M – My point about Keenum is this, he simply never played anywhere NEAR the level he’s playing at now. He’s in a good situation, in the right offense , with the right coach. I believe the same situation exists for Tannehill. No need to make more of his knee injury than what it is. He’s going to most likely be fine come training camp. Tannehill was playing at a very high level the last 7 games in ’16, and I expect him to get right back to that.
    I’m not sure why you’re comparing Keenum to Tannehill to begin with, Mike E. Keenum having a beautiful stretch over the last 11 games has NOTHING to do with Tannehill coming back from an ACL or otherwise.

    It sounds to me like you’re trying to get me on Tannehill’s side. Guess what… I’m already there! I’m just not blind to reality. Call me cautiously optimistic, but I’m not going to anoint Tannehill as GREATER THAN EVER without at LEAST seeing him take a few snaps from behind Center in camp next year, and that’s putting it lightly. All the Tannehomers (not just here) made that mistake last year because they think they’re doctors, too.

    If/when Tannehill starts in game 1 of 2018, it will be the better part of TWO YEARS (1 year and 9 months) since he played in a real game, having incurred two ACL injuries to the same knee. If that reality makes one uncomfortable, it should. That doesn’t necessarily mean that Tannehill is going to suck… but that also doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s going to be better than ever.

    What Tannehill did back in ’16 (7 nice games behind a then decent O-Line) has NOTHING to do with ’18 Tannehill, coming back from 2 ACL injuries. Do you understand the reality now as I do?

    And FOR THE RECORD… I predict that Tannehill will successfully come back in ’18 and play at a rather high level… but it’s only a prediction and I’ve been wrong many times before… as were the Tannelovers last year. It’s a waiting game at this point.

  166. ElephantRider says:

    I remember when RT17 went out in the AZ game. The looks of the team said enough to me that he is/was their leader.

  167. Tim Knight says:

    There are some people who aren’t big fans of Tannehill and others who are, and then some of us who think he’s better than people give him credit for. But why is it so hard to accept that he started to really come into his own last year before the injury? He’s one guy who was playing better and some other areas of the offense had some issues at times that he has nothing to do with. When other QBs struggle and I mean really good ones, people point out injuries to the OL, missing this guy and that guy. When our offense struggles it’s all about Tannehill. It gets comical at times.

    I want to see Tannehill play in the offense Gase wants to have and even though this season has been a clusterfuck of all kinds of ups and downs, I can see potential moving forward if we can fix some things and utilize our strengths. I for one am looking forward to the 2018 season because I think we have the potential to be a pretty damn good team.

    Go Phins!!!

  168. Tim Knight says:

    M13, you referring to anyone as a playerhomer is pretty funny. You’re a homer for players who can’t even make it in the NFL. LOL

  169. Tim Knight says:

    You know I won’t be surprised if Thomas is on the team in 2018. Like much of the offense, it’s been a rough year with only recent weeks showing signs of life and good stuff. Thomas has been a part of that. 39-373 3TD isn’t horrible. Maybe not at his current price but I can see him being here next year. I still think we should target a TE somewhat high in the draft though.

    Fasano is solid at what he does but he’s in his twilight. Thomas still has ability but has had an up and down season. Gray is a good role player at FB, H-Back, TE and on STs. We need to add a future starting TE who hopefully can play all roles at some point. It’s time!!

  170. wyoming85 says:

    Shrine Game‏
    3h3 hours ago
    Riley Ferguson of University of Memphis has accepted the invitation to play in the 2018 East-West #ShrineGame – http://ht.ly/gQqs30hgC4v @Riley_FergQB4 @uofmemphis

  171. wyoming85 says:

    Congrats Herd!

    SI College Football‏Verified account
    16m16 minutes ago
    FINAL: Marshall hangs on to stave off Colorado State 31–28 and win the New Mexico Bowl

  172. bookman11 says:

    Saw Last Jedi. Really good movie. Very simple, basic and exciting. Only thing I will say is that there is one scene that is really stupid

    • rgs322 says:

      No need to even mention the scene, I already know what you will say.

      I’ve already gone twice to see it because I’m a sucker for anything Star Wars or Marvel. Lol.

  173. I’m not going to sit here and say people like Tim are dumb or naïve for looking forward to next year and seeing what Tannehill is going to do and say that my opinion is any better.

    It’s just my point of view. If you’re looking forward to it then so be it. That’s good. If it makes you happy that’s also good. I’m just not in the same camp. I’ve seen enough of him over the past 6 seasons and just personally am bored to shit with him as qb and want to move on already.

    Nothing he does excites me and when I think of the team going into next season with him at qb I tend to lose interest. Again, it’s just me.

    There’s others on here as well as some people on Twitter I talk with who are looking forward to him starting again next year too. Again, it’s fine. Too each their own. Like I said, its’ my opinion and just the way I feel about it personally. I never liked the pick from day one as everyone knows and I’ve been waiting for the day we move on and it may not be anytime soon. I don’t know if I’m ever going to care for the guy, even if we win 11 games in ’18 with him as the qb.

    But, again, it’s me. I yawn at the thought of watching #17 throw the ball for us. In fact, I’d rather see us take a shot at a guy like Woodside. Now THAT would be something I find exciting.

  174. rgs322 says:

    It looks like KC is starting to play better again.

  175. wyoming85 says:

  176. herdfan says:

    Game Day blog up in a few!

    Go Dolphins!

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